Kim Kardashian on her law studies: ‘You can create your own lanes, just as I am’


In the May cover story of Vogue, Kim Kardashian announced that she was studying (or “reading”) the law and that her goal is take the California Bar Exam in 2022. She isn’t attending a formal law school, but in California, attendance in a law school or graduation from a law school is not a prerequisite for taking the bar. Kim had hired two lawyers to basically guide her through her law school course work, and she studies and reads every day, basically. She told Vogue that she’s always had a passion for criminal law, but that tort law and contract law is sort of boring to her. Anyway, many people mocked Kim for, like, trying to improve herself and going back to school. I did not mock her – I think what Kim is doing is seriously admirable and cool. But Kim heard the mockery and criticism, and she posted this message to Instagram:

Last year I registered with the California State Bar to study law. For the next 4 years, a minimum of 18 hours a week is required, I will take written and multiple choice tests monthly. As my first year is almost coming to an end I am preparing for the baby bar, a mini version of the bar, which is required when studying law this way. I’ve seen some comments from people who are saying it’s my privilege or my money that got me here, but that’s not the case. One person actually said I should “stay in my lane.” I want people to understand that there is nothing that should limit your pursuit of your dreams, and the accomplishment of new goals. You can create your own lanes, just as I am. The state bar doesn’t care who you are. This option is available to anyone who’s state allows it.

It’s true I did not finish college. You need 60 college credits (I had 75) to take part in “reading the law”, which is an in office law school being apprenticed by lawyers. For anyone assuming this is the easy way out, it’s not. My weekends are spent away from my kids while I read and study. I work all day, put my kids to bed and spend my nights studying. There are times I feel overwhelmed and when I feel like I can’t do it but I get the pep talks I need from the people around me supporting me. I changed my number last year and disconnected from everyone because I have made this strict commitment to follow a dream of mine – It’s never too late to follow your dreams.

I want to thank Van Jones for believing in me and introducing me to Jessica Jackson. Jessica along with Erin Haney have taken on the role of my mentors and I am forever grateful to them both putting in so much time with me, believing in me and supporting me through this journey. This week I have a big torts essay due on negligence. Wish me luck

[From Kim Kardashian’s Instagram]

I think what bothered some people was the idea that Kim was like a real-life Elle Woods who just decided to go to law school, and that Kim didn’t actually know what she was doing. Clearly, Kim studied what it would take to go back to school and study the law. She is following the rules and she’s committed to this. Maybe she’ll get bored or get tired of it at some point, and if that happens, by all means, mock away. But I have to ask again: why would any of us criticize her for actually working towards improving herself? What part of this is really so offensive to Kim’s critics? Is that she’s mostly known as a superficial airhead and how dare she want to be anything more than that? Or is it something else?

All that being said, yes, Kim’s money and privilege absolutely played a part in what’s happening here. I wish she could own that – it wouldn’t hurt her argument one bit if she said, “Yes, I can do it this way because I’m a famous millionaire.”

Kim Kardashian attends a dinner party at Cipriani wearing a Thierry Mugler dress

Photos courtesy of Instagram, Backgrid.

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  1. CROWHOOD says:

    So many things to be mad about in this world. A woman using her money to pay for unconventional law school is not one of them.

    • CharliePenn says:

      I totally agree. She’s using her money to get to a place where she can help more people. She has a real interest in helping others and has already changed the life of a woman who was about to sit behind bars for the rest of her life for a non/violent first offense. Her work here is to help others. Why is anyone mad at that?

    • Wow says:

      She’s doing it to help advocate for criminal justice reform and is freeing people. I really don’t understand. It’s not like she’s going to pass the California bar and be unqualified. Most lawyers who went through law school can’t pass the California bar.

      I feel like a lot of people need to check themselves on this.

      • Killjoy says:

        I’m a lawyer who had to bust my butt the conventional way to get here, and sometimes I wonder if I were a millionaire, if I would still practice law. And I have an incredibly rewarding career helping people fight for asylum! The fact that Kim K is doing this is great. The fact that she has already advocated for people, and that inspired her to do more is really admirable.

    • velourazure says:

      Yeah, I’m not going to fault anyone studying 18 hours a week for 4 years with soon to be four young kids. I know she has a ton of help, but this path takes discipline. And let’s not forget, like her or not, her mother is a very good business person and her father was an attorney. She’s got to have some smarts…

    • jwoolman says:

      The interesting thing is that Kim seems to have kept this under the radar and has been doing it for a while, assuming she is telling the truth. That’s always a problem with her – she has lied so much and so easily that it’s hard to know when she is being truthful. That’s also why it’s natural to wonder if she will cheat her way through.

      But maybe she really has found a serious passion in law and is really doing the work. Time will tell.

      She’s getting older and may honestly be getting a bit bored with the naked selfie life. Maybe she doesn’t need that kind of attention now. Maybe her work as a celebrity face for prison reform issues has been a true turning point for her. She was able to get to know a different sort of people than in her naked selfie life. She also has several kids now, and even though they are surrounded by nannies, she may be engaging with them much more than she did with her oldest before Nori started talking and became more interesting to her. The robbery in Paris also had a profound influence on Kim.

  2. LORENA says:

    We can judge Kim for so many things, this aint it

    • Megan says:

      Agreed. Over the years I have read many comments about how Kim should use her wealth and privilege for good. Well here she is doing it. So good on her.

    • Barrett says:

      This is great. I would have liked her to show others that she finished up her college degree bc she has so many credits already.

      Then head to law school. I think that would also be a nice hurdle to climb over and then she would show others it’s never to late for studies/dreams overall.

      • Wow says:

        Do you think she could function at her fame level in a university setting? Do you think that would be good for the other students in those classes?

        Lots of lawyers who went to law school can’t pass the California bar. She’s doing this to further her goal of judicial reform. I really can’t comprehend this twisted stance to beat her down no matter what.

      • PK says:

        @ Wow

        Oh yes how will students pay attention during a lecture with Kim Kardashian sitting there….oh please. Plenty of famous people attended and currently attend college. If she goes to class without the make-up and hair and puts on some sweats, who would recognize her anyways lol?

      • BayTampaBay says:

        I have always thought Kim Kardashian was very silly but I never thought she was stupid. Her intelligence has been underestimated from the beginning due to some of the stupid choices she has made and the way she has conducted herself. However, if Kim has the intelligence and wherewithal to get a law degree at this point in her life then I would just say: GO FOR IT. Getting a law degree would be one of the few role-model worthy things she has done in her entire life.

      • Yup, Me says:

        Except that she would be going to college just so that she could go on to law school. If she can go directly toward her law studies why would she waste time getting the “right” classes to graduate college? Graduating college is not her goal.

        My mother is always talking about folks who “go around the corner to get across the street.”

      • SK says:

        I don’t think it would be feasible for her to attend law school. She has significant work commitments in place and needs to do any studies around those and she would also be a huge distraction and that would be disruptive. I can imagine that wanting to study in private without the risk of people filming her and selling it and so on and so forth would be pretty important to her.

      • jwoolman says:

        Barrett – But she has enough college credits to qualify for this path to a law degree, so she doesn’t really need to get her college degree. If it’s good enough for the state of California, it’s good enough for me.

        Besides, the degree just opens doors that are already open for her. The important thing is what you learn, not the piece of paper.

    • Pearlime says:

      I will not judge anyone for getting an education, especially those who dive in when they are older.
      But I will be surprised if this is much more than a way to get attention for the new season of their show. The story would have had much more weight if she had taken (and passed) the baby bar before making a big announcement.

      • QuidProQuo says:

        I actually saved my entire life to be in a position, time and money wise, to get a degree. Everything is instant for the wealthy and priv. She can shortcut workouts & install an arse then find a loophole for the dream job. Another PR stunt from the famous& wealthy for being famous & wealthy- and ya’ll fall for it.

    • QuidProQuo says:

      Not all of us are in a financial position to throw in the towel and become cape wearing advocates. Not all of us have a million followers, most ill-gotten for hyper-sexual objectification. First this family shames our culture for not having the $$ to buy fake body parts. Now they shame us for not transforming overnight into the same type of heroic “advocates”. Anything is possible for wealth & celeb. Why don’t they move into tiny houses, ditch the daily glam squad and get sustainable jobs and stop sh@tting on our planet and culture. THEN I may stop the shade….

      • It’sJustBlanche says:

        Exactly.

      • Christina says:

        Quidproquo, I get what you are saying, but the reality is that people can’t improve without some sacrifice. There are really wealthy people, like Kim, who have money earned in shallow ways, but no one can earn respect without effort and some sacrifice. The men and women I grew up with didn’t have a lot, but we had to put in the hours to get out of the ghetto. No one, regardless of how many Kardashian’s exist, was going to get us education, work, a living wage wage, and respect but us.

        Kim is doing the right thing with her porn-film gains. Don’t blame her for our messed up culture. Kris moneytized the arm candy life that men created and have depended on for centuries to increase their status, and that money goes to these women instead of being held by the man whose arm they are on, and THAT happens EVERYWHERE and not just in reality TV or the entertainment business. The Kardashian are just open about it and keep the money. Hell! Caitlin Jenner is STILL doing it with her hot young thing.

      • Alissa says:

        I don’t think they’ve shamed our culture for not getting plastic surgery nor do I think they’re shaming anyone for not doing what Kim’s currently doing. The fact that you’ve interpreted it as such is a bit alarming. I think instead our culture has shamed them for getting plastic surgery and being vapid, but also shames them any time they actually DO something.

        I hate to be a Kardashian apologist because I DO think they have a lot of issues, but people are absolutely awful to them. A look at today’s comment section is really disheartening.

      • SK says:

        How on earth are they shaming us? That is a very odd interpretation. I’m not a big fan of their body modifications, but I see that as body dysmorphia and find it sad. I’m not a fan of the vapid way of life they’ve sold; but obviously others are and they’ve made a lot of money off it [shrug].

        I think the biggest critiques that can be laid at their feet are 1. Being terrible role models for impressionable young girls with all the sexed up, plastic, bubble-lipped-and-boobed-and-bottomed imagery. 2. Culture vulturing African American culture, and sometimes Latina culture too.

        In regards to the first one, what Kim is doing now is actually great in terms of being a role model. So this is a big improvement!

      • otaku fairy... says:

        @Sk: Argument #1 is misogynistic in and of itself- the idea that any woman anywhere is under some kind of moral obligation to anyone to present herself in a more sexually modest way than she cares to, and that meeting that standard is the one and only way for a woman to be a role model for young girls. How about letting girls decide for themselves as they grow up how sexually modest they want to be, instead of brainwashing them into believing there’s only one correct way to dress and fuck because they’re women? I highly doubt the OP would’ve said one negative word about Channing Tatum’s life choices if he were announcing his decision to take the bar exam.
        I agree with the rest of what you said though.

  3. Seraphina says:

    Like I said, I’m all for people bettering them selves but it sure does help to have millions in the bank. Let’s not insult everyone’s intellect Kim. Hopefully she follows through and does some good since she obviously won’t be working to pay off law school or make ends meet.

    • jwoolman says:

      Yes, Kim should really have qualified that thought about we can all choose our own lanes, because many intelligent people simply can’t take the time she can to steer into this particular lane. Her money does make her path much easier. She can earn scads of money very part time and her kids are always under the watchful eyes of nannies. She can hire professional lawyers as tutors. She chose a mother who turned out to be a marketing genius. She still doesn’t seem to realize how unusually lucky she is. But maybe she will figure that out eventually.

  4. Alissa says:

    she said who’s instead of whose and I know it’s probably just a simple error but this was not the post to make grammatical mistakes on haha.

    I really don’t understand why people are having an issue with this. it’s ridiculous to me. she’s got a great cause, just let her do it and if it doesn’t work out then it doesn’t work out but if it does, fantastic.

    • jan90067 says:

      While I’m a stickler for good grammar (retired elem. teacher here! lol), some of the smartest people I know have trouble with spelling/grammar (examples: my dad (a Holocaust survivor who had his education interrupted) and an ex (who actually graduated Wharton- and got in on grades! lol) included. I won’t automatically dock someone for that.

      What *gets me* about Kim, is that she has shown how incredibly vapid she is, and what her priorities are, time after time. In the light of the Varsity Blues scandals, how are we to be sure SHE will actually be taking the tests, or not having her answers “altered”, to assure she “passes”. We don’t. So color me skeptical about her wanting to do this for self-betterment. Time will tell, I’m sure.

      • Jessie says:

        LOL at paying off the bar 🤣

      • Alissa says:

        I wasn’t saying she was stupid for using the wrong whose, just simply that this particular post was an unfortunate one to make that error on.

        I think she’s created a vapid persona because she’s made a lot of money from it. both of her parents are very smart and I tend to believe she’s pretty smart herself. I don’t think we should assume that she’s paying people to take her tests unless it comes out that she is doing that.

      • BchyYogi says:

        @Jan, “color me skeptical” as well. My mom kept a “seventeen” magazine from the 60s, w/ a photo shoot of a fake protest, the girls carrying mocking signs like , “down with up” etc. I guess it’s not a “bad” thing to “notice” when activism is “in”; it sure makes a good photo shoot! (see above) I can’t help but feel her short cut to a serious vocation ( legal in ca, I know ) is somewhat mocking towards those of us who work the long clear road. And how didactic of her to assert we can all “find our lane” without her fame money & time?

      • jwoolman says:

        JAN- I share the skepticism, especially since I had her pegged as more likely in the dull normal category of intelligence based on the way she handles herself in interviews when someone else can’t write the answers for her and the way I saw her operate on their show and how she talks to her oldest, etc. She really seems quite clueless and shallow in so many matters.

        But I could certainly be wrong if she has been consciously or unconsciously putting on a dumb act all these years. Also sometimes people do awaken at some stage of their life, and this might be part of her awakening. She went through a life-threatening experience in Paris and is dealing with a husband off his meds with manic episodes. Plus she has more recently come into contact with people working on the difficult issue of prison reform and that might have touched her deeply. All these things could have jarred a few things loose and allowed her to blossom.

        So I’m willing to see how she does. I wish I could say for sure that it’s impossible to cheat your way through to a law license, but then there is Dan Quayle…. I was stuck with him as a Congressman and Senator before we inflicted him on the entire country, and he really always struck me as dumb as the proverbial post. His father had a lot of money and so he had the funds to hire help in college and law school if needed. His wife was a lawyer and the real brains of the outfit, but I don’t know if they met in college or law school. I’ve always wondered if she was doing his homework…..

        But money talks so loudly, as we have seen in the recent university scandals, that I can’t say for sure that there can’t be a shortcut to passing the bar exam as well. In any case, passing the bar is not actually the end all and be all in Kim’s case, and hopefully she knows that. It’s what she learns along the way.

    • mrsodie says:

      I want my attorney to know the difference between whose and who’s.

      • jwoolman says:

        Mrsodie- actually, your lawyer has secretaries and paralegals who can proofread everything he writes, and who probably type it up from dictation anyway unless he or she knows how to use dictation software.

    • jwoolman says:

      The “who’s” instead of “whose” is a typical autocorrect error. My autocorrect drives me nuts inserting apostrophes into properly spelled words. No, little auto, I really did mean “well” instead of “we’ll”.

  5. Pringer says:

    wow she is looking so old. Please i am not age shaming her i’m just saying this based on how vapid and shallow she and her siblings are about their physical appearance. she even looks older than kourtney here. i guess all the plastic surgery is catching up to her already.

  6. Snowflake says:

    Sounds good. Don’t really buy the part about her putting the kids to bed. Whatever. Just another publicity stunt imo. She would probably be taken more seriously if she didn’t lie all the time.

    • FHMom says:

      Everything she does is based on how much attention/revenue it will bring in. This move just seems like more of the same. She’s done the nudes, the kids, the crime victim, etc. What is left? Now she’s doing the education thing. I will only be impressed if she follows this through to the end.

    • ME says:

      Yeah she forgot to mention all the help she gets, like maids, nannies, and chefs, plus assistants. The carbon footprint this girl has is insane. She probably takes a private jet to SF to do her 18 hours a week. She was just in Bali a few days ago. What I don’t get is she has been able to keep this “studying law” thing a secret for a year, so why make it public now? If she had to “disconnect” to concentrate on studying, why is she telling the whole world now? The hardest parts are still ahead for her…and a newborn too ! But I guess the newborn won’t be a problem because she doesn’t actually have to take care of him.

  7. Elkie says:

    No one should be mocked for trying to better herself and further her education, and if she succeeds in her endeavours I will salute her.

    I reserve my snark for the amount of effort put in to doing her hair and make up in order to Instagram a casual, dressed-down study session.

    • Usedtobe says:

      Thank you. Yes, that is where my snark is as well.
      “Here take this photo of me studying so I can like post it to Instagram!”
      “Oh wait, take another one, my hair wasn’t sitting just right.”

      • PK says:

        I said something similar below. Could that pic be any more staged. Is that how students study? Does she really believe that? It’s like she’s mocking actual students lol.

      • Alissa says:

        I didn’t realize there was a particular way for students to study. So her hair is straightened and she’s wearing makeup – my hair was straightened almost every day in college but no one told me I was less of a student for it. For all we know she had a photo shoot or something to do that morning, and then studied later in the day. She’s supposed to take off all her makeup and shower before doing so? Come on, people.

      • me says:

        Alissa, I’m assuming you actually went to classes on a campus? Would you still have done your hair/make-up doing on-line classes at home? I doubt it. Kim said she had to “disconnect” from everything in order to focus on her studying, so why now is she so public about it and even posting “candid” pics of her studying. Oh please this is Kim Kardashian we are talking about. She wants us to talk about her, good or bad. This is what she thrives on.

      • Alissa says:

        yes, I did my hair when I was at home too. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

    • Christina says:

      Me, too, Elle. Who puts that much makeup on to work? But her regular work is being mostly naked and brushed with shading pallets that it’s her job to move in the market to women who either are shallow or are trying to feel better by caring about their appearance. Looking better helps some people with self esteem. I like lookin better, but I look like a hag with that much makeup.

  8. smcollins says:

    Eh…more power to her, I guess. I won’t disparage her for trying to educate & better herself but if she truly thinks her money & status isn’t helping her she’s really kidding herself. It may not help her when it comes to actually passing the bar exam, but it most definitely is helping her get there.

    • Snowflake says:

      Exactly. She’ll have copies of the test, prep work by paid lawyers etc etc

      • Lynne says:

        Yes….And i think she is being mocked not because of her new endeavor, but because she said she could do crim law in her sleep. The attorneys helping her are imo just prepping her on how to take the bar exam, not guiding her education in law.

    • Mia says:

      Privilege didn’t help JFK Jr. I remember when John F Kennedy Jr failed the NY Bar Exam twice and past on the third try.

      • Kittycat says:

        Privilege only gets you so far. You know 90% of the way.

      • Smiles says:

        @Mia, I thought the same thing when I heard about this too!

      • noway says:

        In fairness the NY Bar is one of the most difficult, and he did eventually pass. I know several people who failed the first time, and a few who took it multiple. I always thought it was bad how people mocked him on this. It’s not like the test is a gimmie. The downside to being rich and famous is public mockery on your failures, but let’s be honest the lifestyle is still probably worth it.

        Now as far as Kim goes, I think this is pretty cool. Even if she doesn’t finish, I like the attempt to improve her knowledge and try for something else. If her father was around, I’m sure he would be very helpful and proud. I also agree that Kim’s privilege and wealth makes this possible, as it’s hard to do a four year apprentiship without money or college loans to support yourself. I would love for one of these Kardashians to admit their privilege and wealth make these things a bit easier. Honestly, I don’t think they see it that way though.

    • Yvette says:

      The difference between Kim K-West and Elle Woods is that Elle Woods took and passed the L-SAT, completed and graduated from college with a 4.0 GPA (even if it was in Fashion Design), got accepted into a top Law School with well respected law instructors who were practicing attorneys, and graduated from Harvard Law with high honors and an offer to join a prestigious Boston law firm.

      • Killjoy says:

        The point of going to law school is to become a lawyer, not to score high on the LSAT. If Kim K can become a lawyer without taking the LSAT, good for her. And she obviously isn’t gunning for some big firm job.

  9. Um says:

    What is with these women refusing to acknowledge their advantages? You can work hard and be privileged. I don’t know why they insist on saying they’re just like everyone else. Seems like an insecurity thing which I can understand when your fame is based on a sex tape.

  10. Nic919 says:

    Bringing out the tiny violin here. 18 hours of studying per week is nothing compared to what law students actually have to do and they have to pay thousands of dollars and don’t have two lawyer tutors to give them one on one teaching. If she wants to do this fine, but she needs to stop acting like what she’s doing is special. It’s the bare minimum and her privilege is what got her in this position in the first place. Becoming a lawyer is hard work and working as a lawyer is hard work and she only gets respect once she’s actually done it. Her life to date has not shown she is that dedicated so she’s going to need to actually work to prove people wrong. It’s called life.

    Also thinking torts and contracts as “boring” is already a concern because they are the foundational concepts for almost every area of law.

    • Kittycat says:

      Well said!

    • Lightpurple says:

      And they take up large chunks of the multi-state.

    • LoonyTunes says:

      Preach! And that’s why people are hating on her.

    • sunny says:

      This100%

    • It’sjustblanche says:

      Completely agree. Going to law school is more than sitting in a room with two attorneys and having them spoonfed the law to you. I don’t object to her bettering herself at all, but there’s a way to do it. It’s called getting a bachelors degree and then going to law school.

      • jwoolman says:

        In her defense, that allowed path to the bar exam does sound as though people who take it are likely to focus on studying simply for the bar exam. It isn’t as thorough a route as through law school for anybody, I would guess.

    • AmyB says:

      Yes to this ^^^!!! I too am not criticizing her for trying to better herself – go for it. That is an admirable thing to do. But stop acting like what you are doing is as hard as someone else who actually goes to college to get their bachelor degree, and then apply and get accepted to law school, pay for all that shit, and go to all the classes and study without the help of two lawyers!

      • Alissa says:

        She hasn’t said it’s as hard as the other route. She said it’s not easy, but not that it’s just as hard as the traditional route. So, she’s not acting like that? Just because it might be easier doesn’t mean it’s not still a challenge?

    • Alissa says:

      It’s a legitimate way to get a law degree, and if she has the time and money to do it this way, go for it. It seems like people are mad because they had to go about it the harder way, and therefore that way is the only right way to do it. Is she able to go this route because of her privilege? Yeah, of course. But this isn’t a special route that was created for her, and I think that’s what her post was about.

      Ultimately, she’s either going to pass or fail the bar, and that’s what matters. Being angry that she didn’t suffer through law school like the rest of law students seems a little pointless. If her doing this helps those who need assistance, then great and she’s put forth some good into the world. Everyone’s always giving her crap for not doing anything, and now that she’s doing something they want to give her crap for that too.

    • Nic919 says:

      I’m not mad but she just not as special as she thinks she is for doing this. Plenty of people become lawyers using a much harder path than her and they don’t send PR notices looking for praise. Pass the bar then get back to us.

      • ME says:

        That staged photo of her studying with the two lawyers she hired is hilarious. So “candid” yeah right.

    • Josephine says:

      There is memorizing basic rules of law and then there is learning to analyze the law. Sounds like she’s doing much of the former, which is all it takes to pass the bar exam. Nothing wrong with learning a bit about law as a hobby, but being tutored on some fundamentals does not a lawyer make. I’m guessing she just wants a basic lay of the land, and that’s all she’s going to get from that kind of education.

      • SK says:

        I mean, she’s pretty much already stated as much. She wants this to understand what she is advocating for better.

    • Lynne says:

      And dont forget that crim law is so easy, she could do in her sleep. That is why people are mocking her, her comments.

    • chlo says:

      Seriously? I am an attorney and found torts and contracts incredibly boring.

    • Christina says:

      Nic919, agree completely.

    • ans says:

      it’s very funny sitting here reading the mental gymnastics y’all are going through to try to justify how petty you all are. Also, yeah, torts and contracts are super boring in law school (i’m a contract lawyer).

    • SK says:

      Good lord… I took boring subjects at university. I still studied and did well in them and I still retain that knowledge. Finding it boring just meant I had to concentrate harder. Let’s not pretend that all practicing lawyers find all areas of the law that they studied fascinating. Many of my lawyer friends told me that parts of their studies were incredibly boring. Similarly I have doctor friends who told me that they found anatomy incredibly boring. They still learnt it and know it; but it was boring. The yard stick to measure KKW by is whether, despite finding it boring, she can successfully study it and do well in it.

    • jwoolman says:

      I’m surprised that she is bored by contract law since that’s one area that directly affects her own work.

  11. Joy says:

    That family really thinks they have lived some hardscrabble existence and all that cash REALLY doesn’t help them. If she finishes good for her. She seems infinitely more stable than Kanye and part of me thinks 2022 will be the year she reinvents herself as a single mom attorney social justice crusader.

  12. Michael says:

    Good for her. Plenty of attorneys have gotten there this way. Most cannot afford two personal lawyers to teach them but then most don’t have to do it in public and deal with the mockery either

    • Swack says:

      She doesn’t have to do this in public and could have quietly done it. She chooses to put it out there for all to see and should know by now she will get comments, good and bad.

      • Alissa says:

        She’s been working on this for a year before she even said anything. She shouldn’t be shamed for it – the reasons people are giving for mocking her are ridiculous.

      • Swack says:

        @ALISSA, never said she should be shamed for it and she could have never mentioned it. She knows that she will get good and bad comments and she thrives on them. If she completely follows through – good for her. But can guarantee if she doesn’t she’ll get even worse comments. Would have probably been better if she had said nothing and announced it when she passed the bar. Even then she’ll still get negative comments.

      • noway says:

        The negative thing I do agree with is why make this public now. I don’t begrudge her this, as I do think it is interesting she’s trying to do this. However, she’s been at it for a year now. It does make it seem like she’s interested in the publicity this brings by saying it now, and not when she was done. Second her wealth made her situation possible. Sure others have done this, but her money makes it easier. Not sure why the Kardashian’s have to claim this self made I do it like the regular guy motto. They just aren’t regular people. Do they not know this.

      • Andrea says:

        Maybe she put it out there to keep her on track. Maybe she’s proud of herself. I think a lot of older people with full time jobs would do it the same way and by pass college. You can still work full time. Finding lawyers who will take you in as an apprentice might be difficult. But clearly she knows the right people. I really don’t see anything negative about this situation. Kudos to her. I hope she accomplishes her goal.

    • Josephine says:

      Plenty of lawyers do it this way? You got the stats on that?

      • ME says:

        Actually very few people get their Law degrees this way and even less pass the Bar this way.

      • It’sJustBlanche says:

        Let’s be honest. If she really wanted to help, she’d drop the vanity project and form a foundation and hire real attorneys to do the work, maybe even pay them enough so they can eventually pay off their law student loans (because this type of work ain’t for ‘poor” kids who go to law school. They have to work at big firms to pay those off). Does she think anyone wants to see her big fake ass walk up to the front of the courtroom and argue a case? No one wants that. Put your money elsewhere. She can do good, but this is just stupid.

    • minx says:

      That’s not really true. And California has the toughest bar exam in the nation, only 54 per cent pass it.

  13. minx says:

    I’ll believe it when I see it.

    • lucy2 says:

      Same here. I’m all for her bettering herself and educating herself, and finding an existence outside of the vapidity of their show, but I will be shocked if she truly commits to 18 hours a week for 4 years.

      • Arpeggi says:

        Isn’t 18hrs/wk x 4 yr the time you’re supposed to dedicate to apprenticeship on top of studying, reading and doing practice exams and all that? All together, it amounts to a 40+hr wk of studying if you’re really dedicating yourself.

        Somehow, I think this will end like Mercy the cat: she’ll get bored and find something else to care about but will try to never mention she dropped out

  14. Rhys says:

    She stated her case with eloquence. As to her privilege: you will always have obstacles and benefits depending on your situation, whether you are a rich celebrity or poor middle class receptionist. You couldn’t pay me enough to be a lawyer because I think it is boring and stressful job. So she is not taking anyone’s place. As to people who criticize her for not staying in her lane, I feel sorry for them. Their world is a cardboard box.

  15. grabbyhands says:

    If she sees it all the way through, more power to her I guess.

    But respectfully, she needs to stop pretending that what she is doing is the same as someone who has to pay their own way through becoming a lawyer. She will never have to worry about holding a job while trying to go to school so she can pay bills and rent, let alone feed herself. She doesn’t have to worry about childcare or impressive student loans when it is all over. If she gets bored, all she has to do is issue a press release and say she just got overwhelmed and go back to picking a worthy subject once a year to dispense her largesse on so she looks like she gives a damn about anyone else.

    I hate to be cynical, but I have yet to see anyone in this family do anything that didn’t benefit them first in some way. It is always about the PR angle.

    • Alissa says:

      When did she say it was the same? She said it’s not easy, and it’s probably not – studying for the bar is a challenge even if you have a lot of privilege and it’s easier than the way most people did it.

    • Wow says:

      Kim has helped push for prison reform and got people freed from prison. There, now you can stop being cynical. As a black woman I’m glad someone is doing something because she participated in getting the first real judicial reform passed in decades.

      How about all these people who went to law school start working on that?

      • grabbyhands says:

        I hate to break it to you, but there are TONS of people working on these cases right now and they do it without a tenth of the praise people seem willing to heap on her for doing the absolute bare minimum. There were A LOT of these people fighting for Alice Johnson long before Kim decided to get involved and it took her a long time to acknowledge that all she really did add her face to the hard work that had already been going on.

        I’m sure Alice John could give a shit who ultimately won her freedom, but the stretch people will go through to act like Kim accomplished this alone is beyond ridiculous.

      • Lightpurple says:

        Somehow, I think that prison reform bill for which you are giving her credit, that had already made its way through several congressional committees before she or the Kushners attached themselves to it, might have been written by someone who went to law school and reviewed by a few others who also went to law school.

        I’m glad she found something meaningful to do with her life that helps others but she didn’t do any of it alone.

      • Tiffany :) says:

        ” she participated in getting the first real judicial reform passed in decades. ”

        Ooof, this is heartbreaking.

        The legislation was up for vote under Obama, but the GOP wouldn’t support anything that would give him a win. Then precious Jared pushes the issue and the same legislation gets passed. Kim did not get judicial reform passed, Congress did. It was common sense changes that the GOP needed a Republican administration to pass, because they are cowards.

    • Valiantly Varnished says:

      She literally helped a woman get out of prison. How did she benefit from that?? And if you say PR then that can be said about ANY celeb who does something positive. Listen, I get that it’s easy to bash Kim. But give credit where it’s due. Lawyers were working on that woman’s case for YEARS. It took Kim’s fame and ability to draw attention to the case for it to finally be heard and something done about it.

  16. Mia4s says:

    I don’t have any problem with it….and I’m not particularly in awe of it either. There are single mothers who scrape their way through law school without the support of private tutors, an army of nannies, and a full household staff. It’s fine that she’s doing this and good for her if she manages to pass, but…*shrug*.

    • Nic919 says:

      I’ve attended law school with people who did have to deal with these obstacles and they are much more impressive than KK. They didn’t look for praise they just got on with their life and did it.

    • Jen says:

      This pretty much sums up my feelings as well. Like… eh. Rich person with privilege is able to study a passion-subject. Good for her but… oh well.

  17. HK9 says:

    She’ll get bored with this like she does everything else and just move on to the next shiny thing as she always does.

    • Valiantly Varnished says:

      What other things has she gotten bored of and moved on from??

      • Nic919 says:

        She didn’t finish college.

      • Valiantly Varnished says:

        @Nic919 neither a did a bunch of other people. HK9 clearly state “like she does everything else”. As if it’s a pattern of some kind and I would love to know what that’s based on. One example isnt a pattern.

      • Jadedone says:

        Wasn’t she a stylist for a while? Also she was closest organizer and she briefly decided to take up singing. Just a few examples of Kim getting bored and moving on

      • ME says:

        @Jadedone

        She also got bored of Kris Humphries pretty quickly lol 72 days to be exact. She also tried her hand at producing a show, she once said she was going to run for Mayor of Glendale, she said in her Vogue interview she took a piano lesson recently and then quit.

      • Usedtobe says:

        And there was the Vogue question video where she said she quit piano…

  18. Eliza says:

    You can create your own lanes, just as I am, IF you have the wealth and affluence to do it. I commend her for further educating herself, but she acts like just anyone can ask an attorney to tudor them 16 hours a week and they’ll do fine. She’s got the money and contacts to ask the favors. For years she chose ignorance and then decided to be a lawyer but is using her money to skip all that undergrad and law school qualification and take a shortcut. Yes it’s legal. But it’s a slap in the face to those who’d never be able to do so and have to put in the time.

  19. D says:

    Cool, props to her if she wants to do this. It’s just SO obnoxious how this family simply will not/can not acknowledge that they have a huge leg up.

    Her celebrity connections helped her get this apprenticeship. Her massive wealth means she can pay to receive individual instruction. She can spend time doing this because of her nannies, personal assistants, and flexible schedule.

    Kim can even avoid being pregnant and giving birth (and all the physical hardships & needed recovery time that go along with it) while studying law because the baby she currently has on the way is being carried by a surrogate she can afford to hire.

    Why not be gracious enough to just say you’re going to make the most of your good fortune?

    But she won’t, because she also wants the prestige of “bootstraps!” She wants to be able to claim the struggle. She wants the “inspirational mother of four follows her dreams” narrative/brand. It’s pure egoism.

    Not to mention – how effective can someone really be at criminal justice advocacy if they’re unable/unwilling to recognize and acknowledge privilege?

  20. Marigold says:

    If she becomes a lawyer, great. But I’m a lawyer who is tired to death of hearing her speak about studying the law in absolutes, as if she understands so much already to say anything about any subject matter. And this “pave your own way” shit is annoying as hell. She has absolutely zero concept (it seems) of what actual law students do every week without hired hands to feed them the information like momma birds. Also, I call 100% bullshit on the weekends spent studying/putting the kids to bed and then hunkering down all night to study narrative. Even if it were true-it’s not-that’s how law students spend their weeks, too-often doing full time *real* jobs and raising kids without a barrage of nannies. Own your privilege, woman.

    • Dal says:

      Thank you! I’m a law student, with two small kids… but I appreciate what you said about the absolutes… I feel like the more I study, the less I know (that being said, I really enjoyed torts and contracts) but I live in absolute fear of jurisprudence and moot! I wish I had two tutors and a nanny (I say that with absolute jealousy).

      • Nic919 says:

        I have a lot of respect for people like you going to law school while dealing with young kids. It’s hard work.

        As for feeling that you know less as you go on… that’s normal. The more law you learn the more you see things in shades of grey. There are rarely black and white answers for any scenario and you can often find a case to justify any position you want to take. (And a client will want that skill because they usually don’t give you the perfect fact pattern).

      • Shannon says:

        Hi @Dal! Another law student here lol and agreed on everything you said except enjoying contracts lol I do like torts and criminal law, but contracts is a struggle.

        Anyway – Kim. I don’t care, if she wants to do this, she can have at it. I do wish she’d own her privilege, and I’m also kind of surprised at the timing of her announcement. Pretty gutsy to put this out before even passing the baby bar, I would’ve waited until after. Which, if I wanted to be a conspiracy theorist, I’d wonder if she doesn’t have reason to be SURE she’ll pass. Ijs ;)

    • ME says:

      @ Marigold

      How did you feel when Kim said she can do “Criminal Law in my sleep”? She is very much delusional and has two ass kissers as Lawyers feeding her ego.

  21. jules says:

    Oh please, everyone in this family is a master manipulator and publicity whore. If she wants to further her education and improve herself, good for her. But let’s not kid ourselves, this is just another publicity stunt and need for attention. And as others have mentioned, it just shows her entitlement and privilege. If she really wanted to help people immediately, why not donate some of her millions to charities instead of blowing it on plastic surgery and a closet full of tacky clothes.

  22. WelcomeToATL says:

    If she wasn’t Kim Kardashian, there’s no way in hell she’d be able to find a law practice in the US (let alone California) to take on a law apprentice who didn’t even complete community college (for 4 years, 18 hours a week). Period. This is a non-starter.

    • PGC says:

      The United Farm Workers have been training working class people in this manner for decades. It is historically a path for lower income people. I learned this in 5 minutes of googling when I first learned about this. So yeah. She can do it because she’s privileged but it is legitimately a pathway for actually poor people to get around the expense of law school. I wish she had said that instead but the message is valuable – repeating this stuff about privilege at a certain point does erase the reality that many things are options for people without what we think of as privilege!

      • WelcomeToATL says:

        Again… She. Did. Not. Even. Complete. Community. College. Please show me the acceptance rate of apprenticeships (from even the UFW) for people without any level of completed secondary education.

    • lucy2 says:

      Exactly.
      She “hired” 2 attorneys to do this with her. Good for her if she’s doing the work, but you can’t ignore the privilege.

  23. Jen says:

    I think it’s good that she’s developing, but I think she was a little tone deaf in how she presented it. “Contracts are boring, but I’m an expert on criminal law and got a 100% on my first test.” Even a statement acknowledging somehow that she was able to do this route because she can hire people to basically do private law school for her.

  24. Nicegirl says:

    I’m not mad about it. But I’m wondering, is it “who’s state” as written in her statement, or “whose state” ????

    Likely would be an error in a pleading.

    • Alissa says:

      It’s definitely whose state, because otherwise it would be “who is state”. I do wish she’d proofread before she posted haha.

    • chlo says:

      Have you read pleadings before? They can be full of grammatical errors.

  25. Valiantly Varnished says:

    It’s interesting to me how people bash Kim for being vapid and not doing anything worthwhile. But the moment she does she’s bashed for that as well. It seems to be the people who hate Kim love to hate her and the moment she does something’s that doesn’t fit the narrative they have for her they have a problem with it. Which one is it folks? You can’t have it both ways

    • Alissa says:

      I agree. A lot of the comments on this post are disappointing. Especially the ones who want to talk about her wearing makeup and how old she looks and how they doubt she puts her kids to sleep. (I bet most people wouldn’t say that about Jennifer Garner or Reese Witherspoon, and they have nannies too)

      Aren’t we supposed to be championing women and their right to do what they would like to? Yes, she’s immensely privileged. And she’s attempting to use that privilege to become a lawyer and help those who are under-privileged…and people want to trash her because she’s not struggling as hard as a “real” law student.

      If she gives up or fails a bunch, then you can criticize her. But criticizing her because she’s not a poor single mother and has the ability to go this route and hire lawyers to help her study is bizarre to me. (I do wish she would admit that having money and nannies helps her to do these things, though.)

      • Valiantly Varnished says:

        The mean-girl tactics on this thread are very disappointing, I agree. I don’t see how anyone can criticize someone wanting to better themselves or pursue something so that they can contribute. Kim has a LOT of things that we can be critical of but this isn’t one of them. And the fact that people still want to judge her and be critical of her for this is very telling. About them.

  26. Happy_fat_mama says:

    This reminds me of when Undine Spragg decided to marry a diplomat, because she was also braking convention and aquiring new forms of political influence, except Kim is attempting to better herself through education rather relying on a man.

    I think that kim will be part of a team of lawyers on high profile cases, and that her main contribution will be to attract media attention to whatever issue is at stake. I can also see her partnering with well known non profits to promote their work and raise awareness. Van Jones has several non-profits for example, and kim is studying with his firm. I don’t think she has to be particularly good at legal arguments to do this, just passably good, because she will always be working with other people who will develop the arguments that she then promotes. But she could still do some good in this world.

    I think that Kim’s new endeavor raises some interesting questions, because a fair amount of her fame, money, and influence comes from posting sexy pictures online, which is something that many people consider to be not befitting of a respectable professional. But many women and men these days enjoy taking and sharing sexy pictures of themselves and many of these people also want to be considered to be respectable. Are our social mores changing?

  27. Annabel says:

    I have a relative who’s a lawyer, because when she was forty years old she studied for and passed the New York bar without ever attending law school. (This was decades ago—I don’t know if it’s still possible to do that in NY.) She did that while clerking in a law office and raising three kids without help—her husband was very supportive, but worked long hours. My point is just that it’s an unconventional but legitimate path to becoming a lawyer, and not everyone who takes this route is dripping with wealth and privilege.

    • Valiantly Varnished says:

      Exactly. And it can be argued that it takes a bit of privilege to be able to attend law school as well.

    • Veronica says:

      There are plenty of people out there who are less privileged who accomplish this, sure, but the vast majority of them do not. And I’m going to make the leap that your relative took more than a couple years to get herself in a position to take that exam because she did not have the resources that Kim had. The discussion is not about whether this path is legitimate.

      How Kim is going about this is not a problem to me. If it’s legal in her state, go for it. But Kim is absolutely privileged. Massively so. And when you speak from a position of privilege, you have to mindful about how it influences your views and particularly where it creates blindspots. She wants to help disadvantaged people. Great! But she has to learn to think about herself as a person in the context of privilege if she wants to do that. Saying, “create your own lanes” is an inherently privileged statement. Because for lots of Americans, there are no lanes they can create. The roads around them aren’t even paved, if they even exist.

      • Valiantly Varnished says:

        I grew up in a poor community. My faminy was poor. So yes going to law school can in fact be viewed as a form of privilege. Money isnt the only type of privilege that exists. As for “create your own lane” being inherently privileged. Nope. Because POC have been doing this for decades.
        We all know Kim is privileged and even she has touched on this. Perhaps not as often as she should but she has in fact done that. So my question is: what exactly do you want from her?? Why is there this idea that she has to PROVE something to the general public?? Because she doesn’t

      • Veronica says:

        Going to law school (or any college) is absolutely a privilege, and I’m not arguing otherwise. And yes, POC have been forced to make their own paths for years, but Kim Kardashian is neither a WOC or financially underprivileged, so neither of those conditions apply here. I’m not asking her to prove herself (honestly, I think it’s a good move for her), but if she wants to talk about it and give interviews and show up on magazines discussing it, she’s going to have to deal with the critical eye of the public on her.

        What I’m actually asking her to be more aware of how her economic privilege has improved her lot in life if she truly wants to pursue helping the disadvantaged. Because going into medicine certainly radically altered the way I understood the relationship between privilege and economics in this country, and she’s going to need to undergo the same revelation if she really wants to make a difference.

  28. ME says:

    I’m surprised she was able to use Community College credits for this. She went to Community College to study massage therapy but dropped out. Anyways, maybe some people are upset because not everyone can afford to hire two lawyers to be your study partners and show you all the ins and outs. Sure some folks would love to not have to pay for Law School and get an internship at a Law Firm. Not many Law Firms are wiling to take on those that want an apprenticeship. If Kim thinks her fame had nothing to do with all this, she is delusional. I can bet she had no problem getting a Law Firm to take her on.

  29. HeyThere! says:

    Like I said the other day, she’s always been smart! She wouldn’t be where she is without her brain. Her father was a successful lawyer and her mother is successful business woman. Kim is smart and now people are mad she’s going to be able to say she’s a lawyer. Good for her! I bet she feels like she’s really making her Dad proud by doing this, and following in his footsteps…he would be proud.

    The only annoying part I do not get is why can’t any wealthy person recognize their privilege and that yes in fact that DID help you a boat load?! It’s just weird.

    • hkk says:

      Exactly, I’m not mad at her, I’m proud of her. But acting like anyone could do this is insulting :(

  30. Nene says:

    Good for her, I can’t fault her for trying to better herself and using the resources available to her to do it

  31. topsy says:

    Once again this woman is latching on to other people’s hard work and achievements, spraying a little Evian on her face and claiming that she’s been toiling in the salt mines FOR EVA!

    Kim Kardashian did not get that woman out of the prison. Dozens of people who don’t have a reality show worked for YEARS on her case. An assistant probably heard about the case and suggested that Kim pick this as her latest ‘thing’. Kardashian makes a few phone calls and suddenly she’s a social justice heroine.

    That picture of her and the two lawyers she bought to give her the appearance of being about something is a definite sign of the times. People cheer because they want to believe that they too can make it without putting in any of the real work.

    • PK says:

      Yes don’t we all “study” with our hair perfectly straightened and fake eye lashes on. If she saw how Law students actually study she’d be mortified. I really don’t understand why (after a year of keeping this private) she is now telling everyone? Why not keep it private until she passes the Bar? We all know the answer. That picture she posted really does tell it all.

      • Alissa says:

        For all you know she was working earlier on photo shoots or filming her show, and that’s why she’s so made up.

        People love to purport that women can be whomever they want to be however they want to be, and then we crap all over them no matter what they do. If she posted a picture of her with sweats and no makeup, comments would talk about how ugly she looked. Maybe she wants to wear makeup and have her hair straightened, I don’t think that means she can’t read law books at the same time? I straightened my hair almost every day in college, did that mean I was less of a student because that’s not how students study? Ridiculous.

      • wildflower says:

        Who cares what she looks like? Maybe she’s had a straightening treatment and her straight hair is easy for her to maintain? Whatever, her hair is straightened. And she wears makeup, as do the other women in the picture and those are always her eyelashes and I would bet they are extensions. A lot of women wear makeup, which is a personal choice. It doesn’t have to be what you would do or how you look when studying. I highly doubt you are photographed for social media while studying, either. I don’t see why her appearance is anything that should detract from what she is doing, she looks like she always looks, except she is in sweats.

      • me says:

        You two know you’re talking about Kim Kardashian right? The girl loves social media. That picture was staged I don’t care what you say. Of course you can wear make-up and study, but we are talking about a Kardashian here. There is always a motive to everything they post. So please spare me.

  32. hkk says:

    It really would be great if she acknowledged how privileged she is to be able to do this, and not oh anyone whose state allows it can do this.
    I work full time and my salary is 55k per year. I would like to double that so I’m pursuing Masters degree at night after I put my kids to bed. My husband is a long-distance truck driver, I see him every few months at the most. It’s a 2 year commitment, once he has experience he will find a CDL job closer to home.
    And I’m running a small business.
    I literally feel like I am going to pass out once or twice a week. I’m not saying this for sympathy I’m just saying how nearly impossible this is with only two kids. And she is going to have a fourth kid any moment and keep studying. It’s just… so impossible for anyone without staff and lots of $$$.
    I am proud of her and I hope she will keep regular Moms in mind who would also like to further their education and careers and maybe make a foundation or something that could help us do that without sacrificing our health well-being and mental health..

    • Veronica says:

      I make roughly what you do with overtime due to the traveling my job requires, and I don’t even have kids – but it’s still exhausting! I work an average of 60-70 hours a week. I still have a second job to catch up on other bills since I am also pursuing a Masters/Doctorate. I live with friends to offset the cost of real estate in the area and because I’m helping them with their children.

      And I consider myself EXTREMELY economically privileged because I don’t have kids, have very little comparative debt to the average American (between my car and school loans, I only have about 56K working against me), and am in relatively good health (I do have health issues, but they are very manageable with affordable medicine). All of these are factors contributing to my life being significantly elevated above the status quo for many others. I have time, resources, and extra income that millions of Americans do not have. And what I make in a year is likely what Kim K pays in real estate costs in a single month. People like her are unimaginably privileged compared to the rest of us. I honestly do not think the average person can possibly mentally articulate exactly what being a millionaire means, much less a billionaire.

  33. Veronica says:

    You can create your own lanes WITH MONEY

    WITH.

    MONEY.

    is the operating term here. Otherwise, there’s a reason why so many people use the traditional route. My God, rich people are so tiring. It takes money to pay the bills while you study and other people take care of the home/children/obligations. It takes money to have access to the resources to do something like this. it takes money to movie/live in a state like CA where this option is available. It takes money to have the kind of connections where you can study privately with professional lawyers. I don’t fault her for trying to further herself, but Christ, she’s useless to her own causes if she can’t see the connection between economic status and her own privilege.

  34. CatJ says:

    If want a good read about a some law students and how they handled the massive student loan debt, I highly recommend John Grisham’s “The Rooster Bar”. Great story!

  35. Grant says:

    I’m a lawyer and I can’t imagine taking the Bar exam without the previous three years worth of foundational and doctrinal study that you get from actually attending law school. I’m licensed to practice here in Texas. Statistically, people do better on the TX bar than, say, the CA bar because the TX bar has a more generous curve. That being said, Texas is one of the Bar exams that lasts three full days and it is a B!TCH. Being able to pull my outlines from classes that I had taken during law school was an immense help because I was able to cross-reference the outlines I received from my Bar prep course with information that I felt was especially pertinent for me the first time I was learning the material. Also, you get foundational principles of the law from more than just contracts, criminal law, and torts. Civil/criminal procedure and constitutional law are also extremely important–especially if you are (a) an attorney who actually intends to practice law and/or understand the appellate process (which Kim will absolutely need to know if she is trying to overturn convictions or commute sentences) and/or (b) an attorney working at the intersection of the law and public policy (also important for Kim). I wish Kim all the best though, because in my eyes this is a much nobler enterprise than continuing to promote a lifestyle of materialism and excess.

  36. Kristen says:

    I’ve been waiting for her to do this and I’m 100% behind her.

    What would make me even happier? To see her cut her nails, stop with the 2-hour makeup preparation and just study with sweats on.

    I’m hoping this legal path will make her less superficial. It would be nice to see her looking natural and tending to more important things than vanity.

    • Alissa says:

      Well, I don’t think she’s trying to make you happy. Maybe it makes her happy and gives her confidence to look like that? She’s able to study even with makeup and nails on.

      I don’t see why she needs to “look natural” in order to do what she wants to do. And telling a woman that they need to dress or look a certain way in order to look professional or be considered less superficial is kinda gross?

  37. Tai says:

    It takes 60 units to graduate with a BA/BSc. Most people take 15 units per year and graduate in four years. How then if she had 75 “credits” (are they the same as units?) did she not finish college?

    • me says:

      She did one year of community college. I am surprised they allowed her to even use those credits.

      • Tai says:

        Thanks. 75 credits seems pretty high for 1 year.

      • me says:

        Well this is Kim we are talking about…she does lie so…

        I mean just look at that pic she posted of her “studying”. She said she studies at night while working “all day”…yet you can clearly see that pic was taken during peak sunlight hours lol. I don’t believe a word she says, never have and never will.

      • Alissa says:

        @me “My weekends are spent away from my kids while I read and study” …maybe it was taken on a weekend.

      • me says:

        @ Alissa

        If it’s the weekend, then she must be paying those two lawyers a sh*t load of money ! Lawyers work crazy hours and most have families/kids too. So for them to tutor her on weekends, damn ! I guess they won’t have much of a life for the next three years.

      • Alissa says:

        @me … isn’t part of people’s complaint that she has enough money to do this the way that she wants? so I’m sure she can afford to work with them on weekends too.

        people are flip flopping all over the place just so they can take issue with her.

    • Veronica says:

      Depends if they applied to a specific major. Most Associates are 60 credits and Bachelors programs require about 80-90 base credits, which are usually transferable between disciplines, and then you need 30-40 specialized credits for your major, which is a total of 120 total. You can take well over the necessary amount of credits and not wind up with a degree if you didn’t choose a focused avenue toward the end. (Or apply for graduation.)

      For instance, I have a BS in Pre-Medical Biology. That took me about two years to complete because I had a previous Associates degree for a Pharmacy Tech program and some other credits I’d taken over the years for certificate programs/diploma programs. My second Bachelors is a BA in English, and it took about a year to complete because I was able to transfer over 80 or so of the credits to apply toward the basics and only needed the specialized English courses to complete a degree. Schools are usually pretty laid back about the general credits being counted, but they don’t mess around with the specializations. Required courses are required for a reason.

    • TheMummy says:

      A Bachelor degree is about 120 credits. People typically take 12-15 credits a semester. Each class is generally 3 credits, so that’s 4-5 classes per semester if full time. An associates (2 year degree) is 60 credits.

      Source: I have an associates degree, a bachelor degree, 2 masters degrees, and am finished with my PhD in May (Thank goodness!!!!!!!!!!! I’m so burned out).

  38. Tai says:

    I know in Canada you can go to law school without an undergrad degree. But its “mature” students who mainly do this. Adults who graduated high school years earlier, worked for a while, wrote and passed the LSAT and then they can enter law school without a pre degree. But those people still need to take 3 years of law school and pass the bar before they can work as lawyers.

  39. ChiaMom says:

    Good they’ve seen my relentless comments about giving back to the communities they take so much from its about dang time. Lol. This is the one and only Kardashian story line I have any interest in. Go KIm who cares what the stupids say. Stay in your stupid lanes stupid people lol at least she’s bettering herself

  40. Mle428 says:

    I looked at doing this when I was working as a paralegal in Los Angeles. I had enough college credits (California is really phenomenal with accepting community college units), but no degree. It was potentially a really good option for someone like me, who didn’t have the money to go back to school and obtain a bachelor’s degree, and then a JD. I ended up leaving the legal field, going back to school to be a nurse, and am now almost done with my NP in psychiatry.

  41. Blocked Cause I am says:

    The problem is, so many go so deep into debt paying for college and then law school. Do you really believe her fame and fortune isn’t a key(if not the top ) factor in how she got this “apprenticeship”? I think its wonderful if she is now realizing her looks won’t carry her to the fulfillment she thought they would. She is a married woman, with a husband who seems to adore her, she has three kids with a fourth on the way. She wants more. I cannot shade her for that.
    However, just once, wouldn’t it be amazing to hear an honest comment from her? About her looks, about how she parlays her fame into getting exactly what she wants? That would be refreshing. To say “anyone” can do because she is, is so far from the truth and reality. That is where I jump off the “good for you ” bandwagon and realize she is still a vapid shallow human being .

    I feel no ways about it if you are offended by that.

  42. TheMummy says:

    She said, “This option is available to anyone who’s state allows it.” WHO’S??!?!

    My God.

    Also, she has no idea how to use commas. SO many errors in her writing. (Yes, I’m being snarky. I’m an English professor. I think being able to come across as competent in written communication is very important–especially for a would-be lawyer.)

  43. Flffgrrrrlr says:

    I’m a lawyer. I qualified 10 years ago. It took me 7 years to get through bachelors, masters, and qualifying courses. I have to say I chose it in the first place because I was sick of people treating me like I was stupid, and thinking I was stupid – I’m not. I wanted to prove the point, and in doing so found my life’s purpose and passion. So I think Kim probably has the same impulse. The only thing I’d say to her would be she thinks that criminal law is great right now (normal for a first year law student) but there’s so much to discover even in the things she thinks are boring and irrelevant right now. So yeah, more power to her. There’s more to life than appearances.

  44. A says:

    I’m not disputing that you can create your own lanes in life. But the idea that the bar exam doesn’t “care who you are” is just buck wild. Most people don’t know someone like Van Johnson, who can refer us to lawyers and judges we can apprentice with. Most of us don’t have the money to afford the sort of childcare we’d need for three children (plus one on the way). So many people have had to study while juggling childcare and their housework, all while holding proper jobs where you have to clock in and out, so it’s more than a little tone deaf of her to talk about how much work she’s doing and how she’s just the same as everyone else.

    You’re not. You’re lucky. Some of us just are. Instead of going around with a chip on your shoulder about it, it’s so much better to just acknowledge the reality of what it means to have so much wealth and privilege and get on with your life.

  45. (THE REAL)@jan90067 says:

    I really think people are giving KK a LOT more credit than she is due. However, I will sincerely apologize IF she really does complete this and gets a real law license. While I don’t believe she’s as stupid/vapid as she seems, she LIVES for the attention. And she sure is getting it now.

  46. SilentStar says:

    I am not a Kardashian fan in any way, but I’m so happy to hear this! Good for her! I hope she gains knowledge and skill that can benefit humankind.

  47. Anare says:

    I worked 12 hours today in the law office I have been with for 24 years now. All I want to say is if Kim Kardashian honestly studies the law and passes the California bar without cheating, then good for her. But let’s not kid ourselves that she is ever going to put in a 12 hour day with the endless stream of co-workers asking her to look into this and that, the phone calls with this question and that problem, dash off to a two hour difficult case meeting where she racks her brain to figure out how to untangle some mess then go back to her desk and sit there for 4 + hours hammering out trial prep on a case where a very mentally ill woman killed two of her kids. That was my day today. As a government employee the pay is decent but it’s not making me rich. The money is not why I chose public sector work anyway. I just want to point out that being a working attorney is not super glamorous and shouldn’t be confused with what an extremely wealthy person does by going to law school with the idea of pursuing one particular social issue. It’s great if she follows through. More power to her. I just doubt we will see her down in the trenches on some hideous case. Ok. Off my soapbox now.

    • Hoot says:

      I believe you sum up the reality quite well. (After a few decades, my friend left practicing law in government for the private sector so I get it.)

      Imo, KKW is not pursuing this path so she can put in time with the nitty-gritty details of cases. She is doing this so that she can legit lend her name to causes she champions and be taken seriously by people she respects – so they cannot criticize her naïveté. She is, in effect, purchasing the amount of respect she craves to go along with the attention she literally requires to survive. Kudos to her for trying to achieve her goal, but with everything she consistently has on her plate I’ll need to see it to believe it. She certainly has the money to buy the time investment needed.

  48. MeghanNotMarkle says:

    This is likely just another vanity project she’ll drop when she gets bored, but if she follows through I’ll be the first person to clap for her. Her lack of acknowledgement about her privilege, though? That’s leading me to believe she’s not really taking this as seriously as she needs to. Being the child of a famous attorney doesn’t an attorney make. Passing the Cali bar is hard and if she does it she’s gonna be met with a lot of skepticism, especially in light of the Varsity Blues scandal. I’m not saying she’ll pay off the bar but the question will always be there.

  49. jwoolman says:

    Me – I had thought she had dropped out after a year, so was puzzled by 75 credits. I don’t understand the math, usually credits are tied to hours of formal instruction. 3 lectures per week, 3 credits. 4 lectures/lab per week, 4 credits. Has that changed? I don’t see how she racked up 75 credits in one year unless they are counting credits very differently in California. Usually 3 or 4 courses in a term or semester is all most people can handle. Maybe she had extracurriculars that counted as credits? Anybody in California who can solve the mystery?

  50. TrumpEnjoysPutinsBalls says:

    Trump calls for the death penalty for drug dealers. Then frees a woman working for the Columbian cartel that sold over a ton of coke because a human urinal asked him to. MAGA

  51. ikki says:

    Power to her