Game of Thrones Episode 8.6: ‘The Iron Throne’ and a nonsensical ending


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SPOILERS for the finale of Game of Thrones, Episode 8.6, “The Iron Throne.”

Even the last episode clearly should have been two f–king episodes, and the only reason it wasn’t was because Dan Weiss and David Benioff are terrible people. In the end, people got so invested in this show for eight years and countless hours of watching, reading and conspiring that we forgot that the main job of mediocre white dudes is to perpetuate power amongst themselves. I mean that for the writers and I mean for the boundaries of the show. Honestly, I wasn’t AS disappointed with this finale as I was with Lost, but to be clear – this finale sucked. Let’s get into it.

Queen of the Ashes. Once again, we’re being told how to feel by seeing the crispy AF Kings Landing through Tyrion’s perspective. Jon Snow trails Tyrion as they walk through what’s left of the city. Jon gets into it with Greyworm about killing Lannister soldiers (who have surrendered) and Greyworm is like “they had a choice.” It’s true. Tyrion tells Jon that he needs to go inside alone.

Tyrion wasn’t looking for Dany. He goes inside the ruins of the Red Keep and he finds Cersei and Jaime’s bodies in the basement. Tyrion weeps. I mean… I felt nothing? I don’t get why that was supposed to pull at our heartstrings. Cersei should have died a more horrible death than that. She’s a f–king psycho and Jaime was nasty-ass for loving her.

The Dragon Queen. The Dothraki and Unsullied wait for Daenerys’ conquering speech, which she gives in the Dothraki language and High Valyrian. She’s basically like, today Kings Landing, tomorrow the world. We’ll break the wheel EVERYWHERE. Drogon is there too, listening to mom’s speech and he’s like “LET’S DO THIS.” Jon has made his way up the steps beforehand and he watches from a short distance. Tyrion comes up behind Dany during her speech and he tosses away his Hand pin and calls her out for slaughtering women and children. She’s like “bitch you still committed treason a million times.” She orders Tyrion to be put in whatever makeshift jail. Arya appears – with her ninja skills – beside Jon and tells him that Dany is a stone-cold killer if she ever saw one.

Jon makes a series of sadfaces. Jon first goes to see Tyrion and they talk through some sh-t about who Dany really is and Tyrion does the hard sell on trying to convince Jon to kill Dany. Jon weeps. He’s still like, I can’t defend everything she did but she’s still my queen. At this point, I’m also wondering… why the f–k hasn’t Dany killed Tyrion yet? She should have killed him the second he threw away his Hand pin.

The Throne Room. Was it snowing in Kings Landing, or was it ash? Or both? Jon makes his way to the throne room, but not before a snow or ash covered Drogon surprises him (Drogon was taking a nap, as he’d had a busy day). Dany is staring with wonder at the Iron Throne, which is now in a roofless, half-sunlit ruin. Jon and Dany get into it – Dany makes the same defense I made for her: Cersei was the one who used women and children as human shields, preying on Dany’s mercy. Dany asks Jon to come with her on this journey, of breaking the wheel everywhere, of liberating the world. We were supposed to think Dany has broken from reality, I guess, but it just clarified something else for me: she was never a queen or a conqueror, she was always a revolutionary, like Che Guevara. She was the one with the big ideas (“slavery is bad” and “break the wheel of existing white male dominated power structures” and “kill everyone who doesn’t agree with me”) and a big dragon to carry out her big ideas.

Jon did THAT. I was half-expecting Jon to be persuaded by Dany’s ideas and for him to be like “let’s make a baby to cement our new partnership.” Instead, Jon took her in his arms and wept, telling her that she was his queen… and then he stabbed her in the heart. Dany – like Ygritte – died in Jon’s arms. It is his fate, to have the loves his life die in his arms, even when he’s the one to do the stabbing.

King Drogon. Drogon felt in his soul that his mom had been murdered. He comes into the Throne Room and that was the part that made me legit tear up – Drogon sniffing Dany, jostling her body to see if she was gone. Jon stands there, willing to accept Drogon’s punishment, and I thought for a second that we might see if Jon is fireproof like Dany too. But no, Drogon seemed to understand everything, and he understood that the Iron Throne was to blame. So Drogon burned it. No more Iron Throne. Drogon then picks up Dany’s body and flies away.

Time passes. How much time has passed? Who knows. I would say a month or a few months, long enough for a very strange assembly of lords and ladies from the Seven Kingdoms to assemble in Kings Landing. Sansa, Arya and Bran are there. Yara from the Iron Islands. Robin Arryn is there. Ser Davos. Newly installed Lord Gendry Baratheon. Edmure Tully from Riverrun (lol). It’s the assembly of the Kings Landing Senate or something. Greyworm brings Tyrion down and Sansa is like “we want to see Jon too” but Greyworm insists that Jon is still his prisoner and he’s not going anywhere.

Dudes accumulating more power to maintain status quo power structures. The peeps are like “well, f–k, who should be the king or queen of Kings Landing? And Edmure Tully is like ME! And Sansa tells him to sit down and STFU. Tyrion has had time to think and he’s decided that the person with the “best story” in the assembly is…Bran Stark?? BRAN STARK has the best story? ORLY??? Tyrion is basically like, we’ll call him Bran the Broken and he’s a great historian so he’ll be a good king. Sansa is like “he can’t have children!” and Tyrion is like “that’s fine, whenever Bran dies, we’ll just elect someone else from this group.” Which makes no sense, but whatever.

A deal is made and it makes no sense. Sansa is basically like F–k This Noise, The North Is Back To Being Independent. She basically crowns herself Queen of the North right then and there. Bran the Broken become King of the SIX Kingdoms. And… Jon Snow will be sent to the Night’s Watch, which still exists for some reason. And even though Greyworm is peacing out of Westeros, they all felt like they needed to keep their word to Greyworm and for-sure send Jon off to the Wall.

So, the end. Queen Sansa rules in the North, King Bran rules in the six kingdoms, Brienne is writing Jaime Lannister’s knightly hagiography, Bronn is the master of coins, Samwell is a maester, Davos is in charge of the navy and Pod is in charge of wheeling Bran around. Arya decides to travel to America (or sail “west”). Greyworm peaces out, and heads to Naarth, Missandei’s homeland. Jon goes north to the Wall… where Tormund and the Wildlings are hanging out. Jon and Ghost are reunited, and basically Jon is exiled north of the Wall with the Wildlings forever. Or something. I can’t.

The last three episodes of the final season were so dumb, my lord. A show where women consistently outperformed, survived and showed their greatness and the show boiled down to “dudes figure out a way to maintain their power.”

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  1. Erinn says:

    This is the ending George R R Martin told them he wanted. Honestly? I’m fine with it. I’m not surprised that a series written by some old white dude filled with rape and incest isn’t going to be the next great feminist novel/show. I assume it will be detail rich in the books and that some minor characters might be a bit different but they didn’t just make this up out of nowhere. The series that everyone had on a pedestal for years ended the way it was always going to end

    • Jess says:

      Exactly. GRRM co-signed on this so we can blame him as well, and this was always going to happen, well for the most part. I think back to Dany’s vision in season 2, obviously it makes more sense now with the ash/snow/whatever it’s supposed to be falling, she almost sits on the iron throne but then joins Drogo and her son in the afterlife, this time she’s there for good though, lol.

      I dunno, I’m just not surprised either!

      • Becks1 says:

        Yup. that was Dany’s exact vision. Almost sits on the throne, then walks through snow to find Drogo and the baby. Here, she almost sat on the throne, then encountered Jon Snow, and died.

      • Megan says:

        Pretty sure GRRM will never write those last two books. Why bother when the fans are so unsatisfied with the ending.

      • styla says:

        Blame GRRM? Its HIS story you pinecone.

      • ItHappenedOneNight says:

        “Pinecone”?!
        That’s hilarious!

    • Fallon says:

      I wasn’t mad at the outcomes for everyone. It made sense to me. I just wish – and I will shout this forever – that the last couple of seasons hadn’t been so rushed and that we’d had more of the rich character development that we had in the earlier seasons. The finale just felt like the writers were checking boxes to get it over with.

      My only other nitpick is that the cinematography this season – while beautiful – was a massive change from what we’ve previously seen and it felt really overclubbed in spots. It kept taking me out of the episode because I’d think, “Oh, there’s a calendar shot” as Jon dramatically holds Dany as she dies with the Iron Throne framed in the background. Or the scene of the dragon flying overhead as The Hound walks up the The Mountain. And, the most on the nose, the scene of Drogon’s wings behind Dany as she walks out to address her armies.

      • Starkiller says:

        I completely agree on the cinematography but that shot from last night of Dany walking out with the dragon spreading its wings behind her was really stunning. It was almost worth watching this sh1tshow of a finale just for that shot.

      • LindaM says:

        I agree with the box checking writing. I also wasnt mad at the outcome. The cinematography and music were the best things about this final season.

      • Carmen says:

        @Starkiller: For a split second I thought she had grown wings like Maleficent.

    • Alissa says:

      I still think that excusing Dany’s actions is silly. every excuse that she gave was terrible. and you could see that by every time that someone commented on what a bad idea was, how shook she was and then she tried to recover with some BS. that being said, man did that whole thing feel rushed. and I couldn’t handle all the staring in the first half. it was a weird way to end the show. I just think that it would have made more sense if they fleshed out a lot of it, but instead it just felt bizarre. also, did a single prophecy ever really come true on this show?

      • Megan says:

        It would have been better if Dany burned down KL because the small council passed an eight week abortion ban.

      • Mabs A'Mabbin says:

        @Megan Think we could warg Drogon over a certain ‘M’ state?

    • Arpeggi says:

      I’m ok with outcome, it was just too rushed and that’s the difference between the show’s ending and the books’ (not that I believe the last books will ever be finished). As for the pedestal, wanting this to be feminist and empowering and so on, that what overhyped by the fans. GRRM has only ever stated that he writes his women characters like any male characters: they’re flawed, they can suck at times and be great at others and they too can be genocidal tyrants. I’m fine with that because it’s true. Though we always knew Tyrion was his fav character so of course he’d mansplain the new order of the realm (that was lame, I know). I’m not mad, I just think the execution was lazy

      • North of Boston says:

        Even Tyrion seemed bored and annoyed that he had blather so much and wound up picking Bran the Broken.

        The outrage over the ending reminds be a bit of the outrage over the BBC Sherlock final episode where a small subset of fans got bent out of shape because Holmes and Watson didn’t hold hands and kiss.

        But the outrage / annoyance over the laziness of the writing and the connect the dots approach to race through the events of this last season without due care toward characters and dialogue? Yeah that’s totally justified.

      • Jennifer says:

        Arpeggi, I have been thinking this, too. I am for sure a raging feminist. But I agree that making Daenerys turn into a tyrant was not sexist. Look at Sansa and Arya. Look at all the evil men on this show!
        I do think this was GRRM’s plan. I remember years ago him in an interview being asked “How do you write such great female characters.” And he said “well, I think of women as PEOPLE.” Like he knew it was a stupid question.
        I admit it is hard for me to type this because I might be the most disappointed in Dany’s storyline of anybody! Lol. I was saying “no way is she going mad queen!” right up until episode 4.

    • Kit says:

      I can’t really believe that this epic tale he wrote/is writing about the “game of thrones” and the great lengths people go to so they or someone they pledge themselves to will rule comes down to Tyrion saying “don’t listen to me because look at my history of poor judgement, but hey what about that completely inexperienced guy for king?” and all these battle weary survivors of treachery and tragedy and horror all just shrug and say “Righto, he’ll do”.

      It went out with a whimper. So lazy.

      • ByTheSea says:

        I’m mad Tyrion didn’t burn. He was a horrible hand and advisor. Almost everything that happened in the entire series happened because of him and he ends up living a life of luxury and power. Why? And they did Jon wrong. And Bran is a personality-void. Worst. Choice. Ever.

      • Erinn says:

        He might be devoid of personality but it’s much much more important that he’s devoid of bias. He’s not there for revenge or to conquer. He’s there to better humanity. He’s the only one who isn’t there to advance his own interest or further decades of family rivalry.

      • FHMom says:

        My biggest problem was with Tyrion, Bran and that stupid council they chose. Tyrion should have died because Dany executed people ASAP. I can’t believe Bran did nothing and is King. (Twitter had a field day.) And that council? They all laughed at the idea when Sam brought it up, and then they did it? Ugh.

        Really, GOT had a happy ending. Someone commented that it was a Disney ending, and I think they are correct.

      • LindaM says:

        Tyrion was my favorite character from day 1, Arya 2nd. Given his many many mistakes, I expected him to be executed and was OK with that. To have him arrested and jailed, when we just saw Vary immediately executed for treason, was a bit, something (I dont know what the right word is).

      • Mrs.Krabapple says:

        Tyrion should have died for treason. How could Dany “trust” that a ringing bell meant surrender, when Tyrion was mistaken (or lied) about everything else to her? And now he’s back to being some great/smart leader all of a sudden?

        Dany and Varys were the only characters who thought about helping the downtrodden. They’re both dead. And all minorities are gone. Now, a bunch of rich white people will sit around and decide what’s best for everybody. It’s still based on inheritance rather than merit.

        Davos, at least, has aptitude for his job — but the rest? They have proven to be dumb and incompetent. Bronn is only there because he was willing to kill people for money, then accept even more money to not kill them. Sansa is dumb as rocks and it’s only a matter of time before the North falls apart and those murderers and rapists in the North (as we saw last week) decide they want someone else (the only smart family in the North was the Mormonts, and they’re all gone). Dumb Robin is still a lord because of his birth. Dumb Edmund is still a lord because of his birth. Sansa is in charge (for now) of Winterfell because of her birth. Bronn, because of he’s a mercenary. It’s like the lands are being run by various members of the Trump family. So what was it all for? Nothing improved.

        And nobody bothered to mention that Jon is a Targaryan and rightful king, when that could have solved a lot of problems because a king can’t commit treason. But no, nobody ever mentions that again. I guess that wasn’t important. Why did he come back from the dead? To stab a woman to death? You mean nobody else could have done that? Could Dany still have kids? Who knows, it’s never mentioned again. I guess it wasn’t important.

        But worst of all, is Bran. He could see what was going to happen to King’s Landing, right? And he did NOTHING to try to stop it. And as a reward for doing nothing to stop the slaughter, he is named the King. I’ve come to the conclusion that the Starks, along with Tyrion, were the big villains in this show all along.

      • Megan says:

        Nymeria and her wolf pack should have strolled into KL and been like, ” bitches bend the knee, and then get us a treat.”

      • Emilia says:

        @Krabapple Bran can see the past and the present but he cannot see the future.

      • Mrs.Krabapple says:

        @ Emilia – Bran said, “Why do you think I came all this way?” — so he *knew*. There are other clues, too — like Bran giving Arya “the dagger,” with an ominous look; Bran’s vision of the dragon flying over King’s Landing; Bran knowing Jaime was on his way — but somehow Bran wasn’t following what was happening with Dany? It’s just too hard to believe.

        And on his FIRST day on the throne, Bran gives away the kingdom that his sister happens to control? And the other kingdoms like Dorne and Iron Islands are ok with this Stark ruling THEM, but letting his sister break away? It’s just bizarre.

      • North of Boston says:

        “Now, a bunch of rich white people will sit around and decide what’s best for everybody. ” Leaving aside Sansa, who broke off into her own Kingdom of the North, it’s not just a bunch of rich white people, it’s a bunch of rich white men. Sure, Brienne’s there as head of the Kingsguard, but they make sure to show us that she’s not worrying her prettylittlehead about serious Kingsguard duties. Nope, she’s shown making sure s***head incest boy Jaime Lannister’s legacy is white washed in history. Oy!

    • Jenns says:

      While I did have my issues with this finale, and most of this season, it was still much better than the leaks suggested. I set the bar really low, so since it wasn’t a total disaster, I was okay with it.

      Lost still reigns as my worst finale viewing experience.

      • FHMom says:

        Lost was the absolute worst. They should have canned the last season and left it at that. I can’t rewatch because of that ending.

      • amilou says:

        I quit watching “Lost” by the end, so I can’t comment on that.

        But “Dexter” is the finale that my mind goes to when terrible finales are brought up. And even with Dexter, I skipped a couple of seasons because it was so bad, tuned in for the finale, and was like WTAFLOLOL.

      • North of Boston says:

        Lost is absolutely up there in the annuls of horrible endings.
        But TBH How I Met Your Mother leaves all of them in the dust.
        Just hearing the name of that show, seeing a clip or Josh Radnor, Jason Seigel, Alyson Hannigan or NPH makes my blood go cold. Thankfully, Cobie Smulders somehow doesn’t cause the same response, so I’m able to enjoy Maria Hill whenever she pops up in the MCU.

      • crummycake says:

        OMG, yes – How I Met Your Mother finale pissed me off to no end. The show is freaking called How I Met Your Mother, and when we FINALLY freaking meet her after more than 8 seasons of being jerked *ff, they suddenly do a three minute speed round showing she and Ted together, quickly forwarded to her getting sick & dying before you can even blink. Then it goes back to present time with their teenaged children encouraging their dad move on with “Aunt Robin” who he has the “hots” for. What kind of kids would do that in real life? Seriously!
        I’m not sure I will want to invest much time into re-watching GoT due to this last season and the lame ending. I feel like my intelligence was insulted, just like I did with HIMYM and Dexter as well. I just don’t get it.

    • Himmiefan says:

      I’m okay with it, particularly the part about Sansa. Dany went street by street burning people, and there is no excuse for that. She had to die, and I actually clapped when she did. I do feel for Drogon, though, and I like the part about burning the throne. I think Varys would have agreed that it was the best for the realm.

    • Mgsota says:

      I was screaming at the beginning…”they’re wasting time!!” What was the point of Tyrian finding Jamie and crying over his body?? They said their goodbyes last week, which was sentimental…this was a freaking waste of time.
      Overall I’m not mad at where everyone ended up…Arya an explorer, Sansa Queen of the North, Jon with the wildlings and Ghost…Bran…whatever…but the way they rushed this final season was a complete failure. It’s quite a slap in the face to people that have been waiting for years for this and have watched and loved the show for so long.

      • Anance says:

        Mgosta – finding Jaime and Cersei was cloying and sentimental. In all that rubble, Tyrion finds the right brick pile, moves a few bricks and uncovers their bodies.

        I hated that Jaime & Cersei were posed like doomed lovers – Romeo & Juliet, without any thought to what they were like and all the lives they destroyed.

      • North of Boston says:

        Yeah that whole dragged out sequence was annoying. This show has managed to make me impatient and bored with Tyrion. Nice job D & D, ya basteds!

        Plus, J & C started this whole mess back in the beginning with their affair and their Bran pushing. They did not merit all that time in this episode and the final doomed lovers pose. If they wanted to have Tyrion know for sure they were dead, they could have just had him see Jaime’s hand and collapse in sorrow. But…nah.

    • kim says:

      For me it was more about the execution of the story. The pace was too quick and characters weren’t given good send offs. The people running the show really sucked at their jobs all season long. Usually I love a good rewatch in the winter…this goes into the POS pile along with PLL.

    • M.A.F. says:

      Pretty much. I have issues with pacing and a decent build up for certain moments but other than that, I’m fine with it. I do agree with the Book Recap over at Winteriscoming.net where they said this should have been a two part finale – end part one (episode 6) with Dany dying & part 2 (episode 7) just be dealing with the aftermath of her death.

    • SK says:

      To me this ending makes perfect sense. It’s how they got there that’s nonsensical in a number of ways. (I’m going to break up my little essay 😂)

      Think about it:

      Sansa deserves her crown. She grew from a naive, selfish little girl who wanted the fairytale version of Queendom, into a wise and just ruler who truly cares about her people, wants what is best for them, and has the administrative and political capabilities to rule well.

      • SK says:

        Jon deserves to rest and relax and be free. The Night’s Watch was an excuse to keep him alive and keep Greyworm pacified to some degree. It doesn’t even exist anymore. Really Jon’s going north of the wall to live his life free of duty and expectation with the only people he was really happy with (or approaching happy) – the wildlings.

        TV Jon would have been a terrible king. They really dumbed him down from the books, especially in the last few seasons. He was intelligent in the books and not a carbon copy of his father, although he learned some important lessons from him. The reason he was killed was not stupidity or bad leadership so much as him seeing the bigger picture before anyone else and being too far ahead of the times for the guys who killed him and failing to recognise that.

        It was pretty funny when Tyrion was talking about the best story, because Jon’s was mostly better than Bran’s and he still had the best claim to the throne – but he was traumatised and most definitely didn’t want it.

        Although Ygritte was a big part of his happiness with the wildlings, it was pretty clear (especially in the books) that he liked and admired their way of living, their freedom, their take on kings, the way their women had agency and choices. This is the only place he can be somewhat free of his past.

      • SK says:

        Arya deserves to be free and explore and be who she is. I always hoped she’d go off and be an explorer – it’s what she wanted from the very beginning. This is great.

      • SK says:

        Bran… is a hard one because of the terrible things they did to his character in the show. I think they just didn’t know how to handle that character and the show never handled the mystical element as well as the book did.

        But I suppose the point the show has made is that power corrupts. Greed and money corrupt. Love and lust cause bad political decisions. The politics in KL were always particularly nasty with lots of conniving and plotting and backstabbing.

        If you have a king who doesn’t care about money or power, and who can see past/through/around all of the plotting then that’s a step forward. He can judge fairly. He’s pretty detached so he won’t be ruled by his passions or swayed by love. He’ll be fair and he’ll make decisions using his vast resources of being able to look at the past and what’s happening now, using history to avoid repeating mistakes, and being able to see the actual truth of things and how they stand for the common people / small folk instead of the one nobles and ministers tell him.

        Also, Bran was the first true POV character in the books. Him being pushed out of the tower was the ending of the first episode of the show. In the books he is a compelling character. This is the story coming full circle and it makes sense. Again, it was the show’s execution that let him down.

      • SK says:

        Tyrion has been butchered by the showrunners since they’ve gone off-book for expediency / in order to get to the plot points they wanted to get to. In the books he was always more morally grey than in the tv show but never so stupid. I do think all characters make some bad decisions and Tyrion needed to as well – they just had him fail SO MUCH that it was unbelievable from the character we’d come to know and love. I think this was the right place for him if they had stayed true to his character instead of using him to get the narrative where they wanted it to be. He’s a wise choice for the day-to-day running of a kingdom – he has proven that in the past. Wars and foreign invasions are perhaps not so much his forte (the Battle of the Blackwater being the exception).

      • SK says:

        Bronn being made high lord of the Reach seems like a reach / fan service. I’m not sure GRRM gave them that one.

        Brienne, Pod and Davos all deserve their posts. Jaime’s entry in the book of the Kinsguard always upset him – Brienne filling it in was awesome – even if the show butchered his character arc and hers suffered as a result.

        Grey Worm was badly served – unsurprising from these guys. He deserved better. I’m glad he’s leaving this awful place behind and going to Naarth.

      • SK says:

        Democracy was too big a step for these medieval-style people. But electing a King or Queen from the various nobles was a big first step in the right direction. (Note that the Wildlings have a form of democracy and that was one of the things Jon admired about them!)

    • Poopsicle says:

      I don’t get what being WHITE has to do with bad writing for a show… You’re not representing yourself well by writing a piss poor article… It’s supposed to be a fantasy get over it. It’s not real. If you’re such an awesome writer then write a better ending and make a fanfic.

      • anon says:

        It has to do with bad represenattion of every character that is not white nor male… Clearly that it bother someone like you, but it matters to plenty others.

      • Poopsicle says:

        Then you’re too sensitive because it bothers you. I am not even white and this argument is a bullcrap cop out considering there were plenty of signs that the ending was going to happen this way anyway in the past seasons. But you all are so reactionary because y’all didn’t get the Disney ending you wanted. Get over it. Put it back in the deck you big baby.

  2. 10KTurtle says:

    Was Bronn at the king-election? I have no desire to rewatch this. Shouldn’t he have been there as Lord of the Reach instead of the other two or three people I have never seen before and weren’t introduced? Ugh, why am I still trying to make sense of this. Long live Ghost, the best good boy!

    • 10KTurtle says:

      Also- laughing at the suggestion that the peasants should have a say in who is king?? So gross.

      • Eve says:

        Right? Infuriating.

      • Jenns says:

        All of those dudes were Republicans.

      • ByTheSea says:

        So we’re going to pretend that’s not what the Electoral College is? Okay…

      • broodytrudy says:

        They aren’t wrong, though? You want exceptionally uneducated, illiterate people voting for someone to rule the kingdom? We’ve seen in real life how that goes with more educated folks. It’s genuinely not realistic in their world. We saw how they flocked to the High Sparrow, no one needs a repeat of that.

      • Angela82 says:

        Reminded me of America 2019. I am not kidding.

    • M.A.F. says:

      Tyrion promised him Highgarden in one of the earlier episodes since House Tyrell is done.

  3. Victoria says:

    I’m glad it’s over. The first episode was bonkers but then we get this. Meh all around

  4. ReginaGeorge says:

    Or TL;DR

    Bran knew what was gonna happen the whole time and just manipulated everybody lol

    Also Dany is no revolutionary. She was always an imperialist colonizer, who came with weapons of mass destruction.

    • Mara says:

      I would love it if this interpretation was true. That Bran used the Night King to weaken Daenerys and let the decimation of Kings Landing happen. A real Keyser Soze moment… Unfortunately I don’t think that was the shows intention

      • ReginaGeorge says:

        There is a meme going around saying that Bran let Dany destroy KL so that he could rebuild it and make it wheelchair accessible lol

      • FHMom says:

        @ReginaGeore

        The memes and comments are far more entertaining than the episode. I loved people saying Bran was the guy in the group that got the highest grade but did no work.

    • ds says:

      ditto. i was like: oh rly? bran is the biggest player of them all? nicely played dude. just sitting back, doing the I see everything thing, and pressing all the right buttons.

  5. Digital Unicorn says:

    FINALLY, A GOOD BOY GETS PET.

    What a let down and I have to ask myself what the eff was the purpose of Jon Snow. His character was such a let down and he had NO PURPOSE.

    The Starks: Interesting end for the family as they were always central to the whole plot. Am glad Sansa slapped Edmure Tully down, he was just as much of an idiot as his sister was.

    Dany: Am not against her arc but just the way it was terribly executed. But this season has seen some great acting from Emilia.

    Drogon: He should have just finished what Dany started and wiped all the white male mediocracy off the face of Westeros. In fact they should have made him King, he’s smarter than them all.

    Bran: OK so are they trying to say he was the mastermind behind the whole thing just to sit his ass on the throne. Really!!!!

    Tyrion: He was only trying to get Jon to murder Dany to save his own ass, as usual.

    Arya: Again WFT, assassin turned Dora the Explorer.

    Sansa: No surprise there.

    Greyworm: Not really surprised by his ending, he wanted out of Westeros as soon as possible.

    Sam: Called it years ago that he was a chronicler.

    HBO wrote a blank cheque and got scammed by the mediocre lazy showrunners who threw the entire plot out the window so they can get their cash and run off as quickly as possible.

    • ReginaGeorge says:

      He did fulfill the prophecy however, which was a person said to be descended from the line of Aerys Targaryen and was prophesized to put an end to the biggest threat to the Kingdom (who we all thought was NK but ended up being Dany, his Nissa Nissa). His actions then drove Drogon to melt the Iron Throne. Killing Dany made him too volatile a choice to rule since it would have caused another war, (between the North/Vale vs Unsullied/Dothraki). It was smart for the new government to compromise by sending him to the Wall, which is no longer the same Nights Watch as before. Him not ascending to the Iron Throne ushers in a new age. A new “Dawn” where a leader is decided by an election process of peers instead of a birthright. Prophecy fulfilled.

      • Original T.C. says:

        No Jon doesn’t fill the prophecy, unless his purpose was to end the Targaryen lineage. His parents running away and getting knocked up brought war to Westeros, ended up with the death of thousands, his parents, grandparents and the end of Targaryen rule.
        Being the one to stab Dany and get exiled again ends Targaryen rule. If Jon had never been born (his parents getting together) there would have been no Daenerys ruling. So it’s a circular argument!

        If he hadn’t gotten Dany to help kill the White Walkers, they would have killed her anyway. Just like with the NK being killed by Arya who has had no relationship to him prior none of this makes sense. And for Jon to suffer the consequences for Sansa becoming Queen and Tyrion freed is so unfair. Sansa should have grown a pair and killed Dany herself if she’s so empowered. Least we forget, Sansa was never close to him. I would have been satisfied if he was exiled for Arya, his favorite sister/cousin.

      • Grant says:

        How was Sansa going to kill Daenerys? Dany was in KL, Sansa was in Winterfell.

    • GreenTurtle says:

      I don’t mind Arya’s ending. If she was going to stop being an assassin as her life’s path, becoming an explorer makes more sense than settling down with Gendry or something.

      Bran. Meh. I don’t have a problem with the concept of someone with Bran’s experience and gifts (such as they are) becoming king, but as usual, D&D did none of the work leading up to it to show why he deserved it. Apparently, him staring at people like a creep and occasionally throwing out sayings from motivational posters was supposed to denote stateliness and wisdom? The problem with his arc is really similar to the problem with Dany’s as stated above. They didn’t lay the appropriate groundwork and then write to it in a nuanced way.

      • ReginaGeorge says:

        Yes about Arya.

        Back in s5 I think when she was recovering from her fight with the Waif at the actress house, they had a convo of what she could do with her life. And she said the same thing she told her siblings:

        “What’s West of Westeros?” She wanted to sail and find out.

        So this ws something she was always thinking about.

      • Millennial says:

        Yeah, D&D did none of the work all season making these plot developments believable. They substituted long shots of people walking around for actual writing, or actual conversations that build character development.

      • GreenTurtle says:

        Ah, thank you, @Regina, I knew it’d been said before, but couldn’t recall the circumstances. As a side rant, D&D really over-rely on verbatim nods to earlier lines and scenarios as a writing gimmick. Used sparingly, it’s nice, but holy crap, the wink, wink “full circle” moments were out of control this season. 😂

      • Mel says:

        This. I was so happy Arya lived! That’s all I wanted. Arya, Tormund, Ghost, Nymeria and Drogon alive, all the ones I wanted to live, lived. So I guess I shouldn’t complaint but it’s still a very underwhelming ending.

  6. Case says:

    I watched last night’s episode having not watched the show since the end of S2, and I was so shocked and frankly offended by such a sexist ending (I know, I know – it has always been sexist. That’s partially why I stopped). The story focused so much on man pain, men’s decisions, men’s power. It was baffling given how many strong women this show has featured, but then again many women who DO achieve power on GOT are crazy or evil and “unfit” to rule. Brienne’s story being reduced to propping Jamie? Yikes. Sansa being RIGHT THERE and they chose Bran to rule even though, from my understanding, he hasn’t even been heavily featured in the show recently? Lol! I’m glad Sansa will continue to rule the North, but that was the only highlight. What a boring, nonsensical ending. I’m glad I skipped out of this show early but I’m sorry to those who invested so much time only to feel disappointed.

    • ShinyGrenade says:

      Brienne is Lord Commander of the King’s Guard. She was in a gold armour, and only the commander can write in the book.

      Brienne always wanted to be a knight. And being the first woman to lead a elite squad of knights, it’s a pretty good ending for her.

      • Giddy says:

        Thank you for pointing that out! I knew she was important, but I hadn’t figured out that she was Lord Commander of the King’s Guard.

      • raindrop says:

        ShinyGrenade, totally agree. Like many others, I don’t have an issue with what happened or how most character arcs ended up (other than Cersei and Jaime – he should have killed her, that’s where his character was headed and the way they died made no sense.) My issue is that the ending was rushed and lacked the nuance of earlier seasons. Brienne becoming Lord Commander of the King’s Guard, Yara leading the Iron Born, and Sansa becoming Queen of the North are great endings for their characters – we just didn’t get to focus on them. The story really glossed over their motives, their feelings, etc. and focused on how their stories impacted the men around them.

      • Andrea says:

        I like how Brienne and Poderick ended up but I hated Jaime’ s redemption arc thrown out the window. He should have either killed Cersei like Jon fjnalllyyy did or just stayed with Brienne. He deserved better.

      • North of Boston says:

        She may be Lord Commander off the Kings Guard, but D & D reduced her to propping up Jaime.

    • M.A.F. says:

      It did not have a sexist ending. Sana was never going rule the seven kingdoms. She has pushed for a free North and got it, it & the crown. Brienne is Lord Commander of the King’s Guard, Arya is staying true to her independent self & sailing around the world, Yara, I am sure, is ruling the Iron Islands. What more did you want? Lady Stoneheart to emerge from out of nowhere? Dany was never going to sit on the Iron Throne. It was known.

  7. Anitas says:

    I guess the moral of the story is, if you are honest and consistent about your intentions (Dany, Jon) – you lose. If you’re a sneaky manipulator (Sansa, Bran) – you win. Just like real life politics.

    • snappyfish says:

      Well said. I cried when Drogon cried & was glad to see the iron throne melt. Clumsy ham fisted writing by misogynistic D&D in a hurry to run off and cash Disney’s checks.

      Sansa always serves Sansa. Bran is basically King Emo and the rest was just dross. The Dragon Team did a phenomenal job and they were always my favorite part as they never disappointed

      • Myrtle says:

        LOL King Emo.

      • Grant says:

        I don’t think Sansa serves Sansa at all. I think she serves the North. And Dany has hardly been consistent with her intentions which, honestly, is probably more the result of shoddy writing than it is anything else. One minute she’s a liberator, the next she’s lighting up innocent civilians in Kings Landing for essentially no reason.

      • Mrs.Krabapple says:

        Yes, Sansa only ever served Sansa. She was willing to undermine her own family members to promote herself. And punish children for their fathers’ actions. But the worst was when she was willing to sacrifice the loyal Northern men fighting against Ramsey because she wouldn’t tell Jon about the Vale. Her petty power play cost many men their lives, and the few who survived are lucky they made it long enough for the Vale to FINALLY come to assist. One day the Northerners may figure that out, but they seem to be a rather dumb bunch, so probably not. Sansa will be Cersie in 20 years.

    • Diana B says:

      Thank you! I feel like I’m the only one pissed at Little Finger 2.0 getting what she always wanted no matter how she f-d over her own brother 🤦🏻‍♀️

      • Bella DuPont says:

        You’re not the only one. I was shocked at how quickly they sold him out. He was always just an expendable bastard in their eyes, really. Either as a Snow, or a Targaryen.

    • Mrs.Krabapple says:

      Yep, I posted above that the ending basically places various members of the Trump family (white, rich, dumb, dishonest, and self-serving) as heads of the different lands. There is no “sweet” in that bitter ending.

  8. Shirurusu says:

    What did Bran actually do that was good for anyone? Didn’t he just basically wait around for everyone else to die lol? Haven’t watched since season 5, this season sounds like crap! And to think this show used to be exciting! 😤🐲

    • Mia4s says:

      See if they had truly established Bran as a manipulator with an eye on the throne this might have worked slightly (slightly) better. But the whole, he has “the most interesting story”? Trying to sell that now is just ludicrous.

      Most interesting? LMAO! Sure, except for his sister who survived incredible hardship and war, trained as an assassin, learned to SHAPE SHIFT, avenged her family, and killed a supposedly invincible ice zombie king.

      But I mean….she’s a girl and in Benioff and Weiss’s world, she wasn’t raped or almost raped or sexually assaulted in anyway…so she really was missing character development, so not that interesting. Ugh. So much side-eye.

      At least we know well in advance the next Star Wars movie will be disappointing.

      • ByTheSea says:

        Seriously. He had the least interesting story. Mofo just sat there the whole time. Even Meera had a more interesting story, being a warrior and dragging his ass around.

      • Myrtle says:

        One thing Bran had going for him, though, was being the least threatening of all the possible rulers. Even though Jon’s story was more future kingly, Bran’s story is still cool with many noble elements. And Jon on the throne would have been divisive, vs Bran the Blah who people feel sorry for (crippled) and stand in awe of (all-seeing). I think he was a good surprise pick.

      • VirgiliaCoriolanus says:

        @Myrtle
        TBH, I honestly expected the storyline (before season 8 started) where either Jon ruled with Daenerys OR Jon went back to the North and supported Sansa’s rule. I didn’t expect him to be directly on the throne at all.

      • Mia4s says:

        That’s the thing though @Myrtle; your reasoning makes some sense…but that wasn’t their reasoning.

      • North of Boston says:

        Tyrion saying that Bran has the Most Interesting Story just made me roll my eyes. Because when we even got a hint of that, D & D cut away (the scene when Tyrion approaches Bran at Winterfell before the battle with the dead. ) Oh course that “interesting story” was all depicted offscreen and we just have to believe Tyrion. That’s the way D & D have been rolling for these last 1-2 seasons.

    • FHMom says:

      I think Book Bran was more important and interesting. I did not read the books, but my husband said it made more sense if you read the books.

    • Mrs.Krabapple says:

      I don’t think Bran is the best pick, because he no longer has empathy. But I could have accepted it IF they showed him TRYING to do something to stop the slaughter of innocents at King’s Landing. You don’t even have to be a three-eyed raven to see it coming – Varys and Tyrion also saw it coming, but Varys is the only one who tried, in his own way, to stop it. Bran didn’t do squat to help, when he could have. And as a reward for not stopping the slaughter, he is named King. Turns out he’s the “big villain” after all. I’ll admit, I didn’t see that coming, but it’s still a crappy ending.

  9. ReginaGeorge says:

    I found out about the ending last week when I got spoiled. Trust me. I understand. My first reaction was anger. Then a lot of Wtf and Whyyyyy? But the more I sat on it, the more I was able to make sense of it. So hear me out:

    Was it the democracy I was hoping for? Nope. Apparently that would have been too much for the Lord’s and Ladies of Westeros at this time. But I’m okay knowing that the next ruler was chosen with all the representatives getting a vote. Although not who I would have chosen, Bran has the ability to make unbiased decisions without the emotional entanglements and doesn’t subscribe to any particular religion. He’s also wise. He would also have a limited rule that would not extend past his own life. The next successor would also be voted upon. That’s a start.

    Is it the ending I wanted or expected? No. Was it rushed at times, yeah. Are there some things that didn’t make sense? Yep. Am I happy with it? Not really. It’s definitely bittersweet. But I knew it would be. Glad the Iron Throne is gone. Good riddance. It was the source of so much corruption.

    The lone wolf died, but the pack survived. We get a King of Westeros, A Queen in the North, a King Beyond the Wall(?), and a Captain of her own adventure ship. The least of my wishes were for the remaining Starks to survive. I’m glad they all ended up on top and with some form of control over their own destiny. that’s why I’m ok with it now. #teamstark

    • Talia says:

      Agree.

    • Fallon says:

      Fully agree.

    • PlayItAgain says:

      Yes! Completely agree.

    • Lucy says:

      So much YES. Last week I told my co-workers that I was certain all the Starks would survive, and that Arya would not go back to be No One. They all laughed at me. Oh, how the turn tables…

    • ByTheSea says:

      Hmm, I may see your point.

    • Bella DuPont says:

      Yes, it’s all great. But why was it still so unsatisfactory?

      • Noway says:

        Ending of these type of shows always seem unsatisfactory to a lot of people. Too much invested and it never turns out quite right or in this case for a lot of people just flat out wrong. My main problem with this season was they spent a lot of effort and it seemed sloppy at times. Which was disappointing. The starbucks cup, the too dark fight with the dead, Jamie and Cersei’s anti climactic death are just glaring examples. It had it’s moments though, Arya killing the Night King with the music score, Jon killing Dany, and Drogon after Dany died all amazing. The other thing that bothered me was I got the feeling these characters were all just set up to have new tv shows. It just seemed like a clean here we go with spinoffs now.

    • FHMom says:

      It was a happy ending. Very un-GOT-like.

  10. MoopsMarie says:

    I thought for sure those idiot writers were trying to make Dany go mad like her father. But they didn’t: no signs of madness, just lots of logical reasons for her behavior. She demonstrated the same “breaker of chains at any cost” mentality she’s always had. But in the past 7 seasons she never, ever hurt innocents in her quest. Jeez, in Mereen she locked up her *babies* in a pyramid bc they roasted one kid. And these terrible writers want us to believe a perfectly sane Dany would roast a whole city bc “Cersei was using them as a shield.” What?!?

    Screw this season, screw these writers. This whole season has felt like a terrible piece of fanfiction – one that the writer has put down for a while, and then picks back up and hastily writes an ending just to be done with it, but nothing is canon, no one acts in character and huge storylines are left hanging

  11. Jenns says:

    I’m struggling to understand the moral of this story. Other than women can just snap and commit war crimes, mediocre men will rule and make the rules no matter how many mistakes they’ve made, and massive threats to humanity can be easily solved with a dagger to the heart and gut.

    • Char says:

      The moral is: men can do whatever is necessary for the power and be considered a good ruler, but If a woman does the same, she’s crazy.

      • msd says:

        Any man who did what Dany did would villainous too. Can’t believe people seriously defend her. You’re not supposed to cheer for a dictator or cheer for war mongering. That’s the moral.

        Bran isn’t really a man, he represents magic. It’s supposed to reference the Last Hero, I think. Jon with his horse, his sword, his dog, his companions etc setting out north, and the 3ER (magic) winning back “what the armies of men had lost”.

      • Dacia says:

        Msd, I think what people are pissed about with dany is they didn’t take the time to make it believable. Yes, we had underpinings that she could be ruthless etc, but she always worked for “the little people” old dany would never have roasted kings landing and for the writers to do that without build up sucked.

      • VirgiliaCoriolanus says:

        @Dacia
        I agree the showrunners as writers SUCK……but I have never bought Daenerys “I’m for the little people” storyline. I would not say I hated her character or anything, I just honestly wasn’t that interested in the fantasy side e.g. the dragons. I love the politics of the story more. But I said to my brother and this group I watch GoT with that I found it awfully convenient that the Unsullied swore themselves to Daenerys after she “Freed” them. I have always viewed it as slavery under another name.

        She was never killing slavers because she hated slavery SO MUCH……she killed them because it was convenient to do so for her and won her followers. And she has always been a terrible ruler who made no attempt to understand the culture of the country she was attempting to rule. The red herring was that she was conquering cities/countries that had slavery, so of course everyone was glad that she was dismantling that. But she did nothing to fix the situation post freedom. Reminds me a bit of American history, post Civil War. We were free….but then what? Vagrancy laws were passed to enslave us again e.g. send us to prison and then work as slaves again to benefit another white man. And on and on it goes.

      • Becks1 says:

        Dany wanted to burn Mereen and Tyrion convinced her not to. I don’t understand the argument that “Dany NEVER would have done this.” she almost did in Season 6.

      • Arnk says:

        Dany wasn’t presented as crazy in the end, that just a social media narrative. Also Sansa did whatever she needed to do for the North and there are comments here calling her a manipulator.

        Bran was chosen, albeit in a very weird scene that I didn’t like, because he’s neutral and the Unsullied would accept it. I don’t know if Grey Worm would have accepted, for example, Sansa as queen since Dany considered her an enemy and a traitor.

        Also Dany didn’t snap, she did what she’s consistently said she would do, take what’s hers with fire and blood. It’s just that people liked her good sides too much to see her hunger for power and unwillingness to compromise. She also consistently showed very little understanding of Westeros beyond what her brother told her. People in King’s Landing weren’t slaves that she could free, and to them she was a foreign invader. They didn’t care that she was the rightful heir, which she wasn’t technically, probably just didn’t want to die for someone’s war.

      • Steph says:

        ARNK: that’s the best explanation I have read of Dany’s murdering a million civilians in KL. 👏

    • ReginaGeorge says:

      The moral of the story is that war sucks and no one really wins. And that the business of conquering and seeking power is a slippery slope.

      • Fallon says:

        @ReginaGeorge, fully this. I’m not seeing a lot of people understand that. There are no winners in the game of thrones when it comes down to it.

      • Bella DuPont says:

        Well…..except that’s not strictly true though is it? If you’re ruthless enough to accept the destruction and high body counts involved, there’s plenty of winning to be had.

        If you don’t believe me, ask George Bush or Dick Cheney. Or in this case, Bran and Sansa.

      • Arnk says:

        @Bella DuPont Sansa didn’t seek power though. She gave away her power to Jon when she thought it was what the North needed. Northern independence is what she’s wanted for a long time. Her position was earned through leadership and good decision making, also thinking about the actual people she rules over, not war. I don’t understand why so many women dislike Sansa but fawn over Dany.

      • Mrs.Krabapple says:

        @Arnk – Sansa is an idiot. She cares more about her petty power plays than helping the North. She was willing to sacrifice the loyal men who were willing to fight against Ramsey because she didn’t want to tell Jon about the Vale (her petty power play against him). The few who managed to survive until the Vale FINALLY showed up were really lucky. Then she wanted to punish the children of the men who “betrayed” the Starks (even though the Starks have a messy history themselves). Then she undermined Jon, repeatedly, in front of the other houses. Then she didn’t want Jon to get dragon glass to fight the undead. Then she didn’t want Jon bringing Dany’s army and dragons to help fight the undead. Then she made snarky comments to Dany in front of everyone (but besides constantly complaining about everything, Sansa never offers suggestions of her own). Then while cowering in the crypts, she bad-mouthed Dany in front of Missandei. Then she second-guessed Dany in front of everyone (but, like the dragons, hindsight showed how wrong Sansa was — the soldiers were plenty rested and still had lots of energy to kill and rape women in King’s Landing). Sansa broke a vow made in the Godswood, the most sacred place in Winterfell, in about 5 minutes. She lied to cover up Littlefinger’s murder of her Aunt. She almost took Littlefinger’s side against her sister (and then defended it afterwards, thinking Littlefinger “loved” her). She’s been nothing but dumb and selfish, which is why many of us dislike the character. But unlike other dumb and selfish characters, Sansa has a cult following of young girls who think she’s some kind of role model — which makes Sansa the most irritating of all characters. Dany snapped from PTSD at the end, but she was one of the few people who wanted to help the downtrodden (Varys being the other one).

    • Mia4s says:

      The moral of the story is that as a woman no matter how incredible your story of hardship and survival, or how many Night Kings you kill, your brother will be seen as more interesting and promoted over you. 😬

      • Eve says:

        @Mia4S:

        Exactly. But wouldn’t it be “nephew” in this case?

      • Becks1 says:

        No, she’s referring to Bran being made king over Sansa or Arya.

      • Mia4s says:

        I was referring to Bran…but @Eve you’re not wrong either! This whole story was about interesting women being side lined or seen as less worthy than their male relatives. Gee, what fun! 🙄

    • broodytrudy says:

      Not all stories have to have a moral. Sometimes it’s just a story.

    • FHMom says:

      Maybe the moral is that the rich, strong and powerful are the worst rulers. Look who ended up on the council. All misfits and Bran the Broken is King. Maybe the world belongs to those who have suffered and are “poor in spirit.” (I’m remembering my SundAy school teachings.ha)

  12. Paperclip468 says:

    Meh…I’m okay with it. Glad Sansa is a queen and Arya is setting sail. The women were really the only ones who broke with the rest to forge their own paths, and Jon’s stupidity, for once, was not rewarded. So, yeah, I’m okay with it.

    • Lightpurple says:

      And Yara holds the Iron Islands.

      • Linn says:

        As part of the Kingdoms, while the North gets to be independent and somehow still have the King come from their family.
        It’s so silly that everybody was just fine with northern independence without asking for the same for their part of the continent.

    • Carmen says:

      Drogon went east, Arya went west, Jon went north and the show went south. Fooey.

  13. Char says:

    Justice for Drogon.

    • CatMom says:

      I know. I’m sad for him. The last of his kind, his “mother” is dead. What a lonely existence. :(

    • Elkie says:

      No mum, no sibs, no more purpose in life. Hoping he finds a new master in a How to Train Your Drogon spin off.

      • Turtledove says:

        Too bad that the dragons don’t do well in the north. he could go hang with his “cousin”, Jon.

      • Mabs A'Mabbin says:

        Maybe the real North won’t be as ‘magically’ cold and unforgiving since the ice zombies exploded lol.

  14. Eve says:

    I said it yesterday: when the lords laughed at Sam’s proposition (everybody having the right to choose the next ruler), I was ENRAGED.

    Westeros is right back at where it has always been. The wheel will keep spinning and crushing the poor.

    And to add salt to the injury even Cersei and her stupid brother got to have a more poetic death than Daenerys.

    I don’t even know what to say anymore. There were SO MANY loose ends I lost count.

    P.S.: One good thing, and again another cinematographers’s achievement, was seeing Daenerys coming out to give her victory speech as Drogon lifts its wings to fly behind her. Gorgeous.

    • Lightpurple says:

      There were several gorgeous shots involving Drogon last night. That one and Drogon standing over Jon. And the one of him rolling around in the snow/ash was great. Drogon frolics in the snow/ash.

    • VirgiliaCoriolanus says:

      Why would you expect a country that’s only known a monarchy to completely do away with the attitudes that enfranchised the monarchy and the nobles? Look at countries today, even the ones who have royalty still haven’t fully gotten rid of them + a modern government. I never expected the end result to be that they had a democracy or anything close to it. I think that’s silly and unrealistic.

      I do think it is a huuuge mistake to have six kingdoms and then the North is free. I thought the story would end with either all kingdoms reunited under a single king/queen OR they would go back to the way they were before the Targaryens ruled e.g. seven separate kingdoms.

      • LindaM says:

        I also thought/hoped the kingdoms would be separated to their pre-Targaryen status.

      • Hunter says:

        I agree about the six kingdoms and the one. When Sansa declared the North wasn’t down with being part of the seven, I thought for sure Yara would’ve been like, “Wait, we can do that?”

    • FHMom says:

      GRRM has to finish writing the books. It was very much left open, aside from Danys death.

  15. Sally says:

    I never understood why Sansa always disliked Dany especially when she was there to help them. She should’ve just left the Night King finish them.

    • Eve says:

      Sansa’s always been an ungrateful spoiled brat.

      But what pisses me off is that Daenerys actions — ANY action — are nitpicked and judged to an insane degree. Yet Sansa does whatever she wants but her actions seem to have no repercussions.

      She set these whole new series of destruction in motion (by telling Tyrion about Jon’s parentage), just like her mentor Littlefinger did at the beggining of the series.

      Chaos was a ladder for her indeed.

      • Fallon says:

        @Eve – really well put! Chaos was her ladder.

      • snappyfish says:

        @Eve finally someone who sees Sansa as I did. She served only herself since day one.

      • Diana B says:

        @Eve, Yesssss!!!! Like I said above, Little Finger 2.0. We’ll be in the minority but she f*cked over her brother/cousin and caused indirectly the destruction of a lot of innocent people just cuz she wanted to be queen. Ugh! everyone cheers for her and I’m just mad.

      • Bella DuPont says:

        @ Diana B

        Co-signed! I’m shocked at how easily she got away with her manipulative plots and didn’t get called out for it, not even by Jon……

        However, notice his standard response to the question “Forgive me?”, is usually to respond with “There’s nothing to forgive”. This time he didn’t respond when Sansa asked. He knew she fucked him over for her crown.

      • Arnk says:

        Because she saw her for what she was, a power hungry tyrant in the making. And because Jon gave away the Northern Independence she had worked and suffered for.

    • ElleBee says:

      The entire premise on the kingdom of The North is that they didn’t “bend the knee” to foreign powers. Dany was arrogant in thinking that she could simply fly in and take over people who didn’t know her and whose only real experience with the Targs was the Mad King.

      Sansa was grateful for the help but she had every right to regard Danaerys with suspicion.

      • Sally says:

        When was she ever grateful? She was pissed the whole time that Jon pledged his allegiance to Daenerys.

      • Eve says:

        @Ellebee:

        Daenerys “flew in” to fight for her lover’s cause and for the living. She was met with coldness and outright disrespect.

        Sansa was never grateful. Even when she was cowering in the crypts, she still found a way to bitch about Daenerys and her dragons — until Missandei shut her up.

      • snappyfish says:

        The starks and the Targaryens had alliances that went back eons. Jon & Daenerys spoke of that when he came to Dragonstone. A Targaryen was on the throne when Robert Baratheon lies about Lyanna Stark being kidnapped to usurp the throne. The Targaryen’s were not foreign. True they didn’t know Daenerys except she saved Jon’s life & lost a dragon for it. She brought her armies north to fight for Jon’s cause and lost most of her armies & beloved friends yet Sansa is a bitch to her.

        Sansa who didn’t tell Jon about the army of the Vale during the Battle Of the bastards. She was all in with Cersei so she could marry Joffrey & have his babies (yes she was a child then) it does seem she took Littlefinger’s words to heart about her being Queen in the North. She betrayed Jon’s Secret as she knew it would hurt Daenerys. Let’s not forget how badly she treated Jon in the earlier episodes. Manipulating from day one until she gets her throne.

        She was Cercei & Littlefinger. Be manipulative & you win. Very disappointing. I’m sure this is colored by my reading the books where she is far worse than the show portrayed.

      • VirgiliaCoriolanus says:

        @Eve
        She was met with coldness and disrespect because they knew why she was there e.g. Jon stepped down as king.

        On top of that, very few of the people there have actually seen a white walker/the NK. I feel like the past two seasons were Jon saying…but this is really bad and they’re like “LOL OK NOT”…and the North didn’t actually realize how bad it was until the battle.

        That includes Sansa. And I am not saying it was good that she was met with coldness and disrespect, but Daenerys did nothing to help her cause with them, imo. She came because it was the right thing to do and because she would have to face the NK sooner or later…..

        …..but every time she spoke, it was to reinforce her rights as queen. Knowing the history and reputation of her father/family. She really didn’t do anything to try and make them think differently of her. Cue the scene with Samwell Tarly about how she burned his father and brother alive. I don’t care if you are a man or a woman…….when your family history includes your father burning nobles alive, and you want to take back your throne while being seen as a good ruler, probably the best thing to do is not execute your enemies by burning them alive.

        I do think she garnered more respect after the battle at Winterfell…….but again, they don’t know her. They know her reputation and her family history. And she showed that she would not compromise, not even by waiting to rest their armies/men.

      • Eve says:

        @VirgiliaCoriolanus:

        I completely disagree with your take and I think you contradicted yourself on your third paragraph. However, I’m too tired to reply to every single one of your points so I’ll let this article be my response to all your replies to me:

        http://time.com/5590729/game-of-thrones-finale-daenerys/

        It was posted by someone else (Blanca) downthread.

      • FHMom says:

        @Eve

        Sometimes frenemies have to work together in wartime. It doesn’t mean that they ever lose the mistrust. See WWII.

      • Bella DuPont says:

        The writers turned Sansa into a jealous, ungrateful, scheming, bitch this season. Full stop. No amount of rationalizing it will change that.

      • VirgiliaCoriolanus says:

        @Eve
        I don’t see how my third paragraph is contradictory. I don’t think Daenerys is evil. I think she went because she knew it was the right thing to do and because she knew that avoiding it the way Cersei was would only cause the problem to end up on her doorstep, sooner or later. That doesn’t take away from her feeling that she was entitled to rule, period. It reinforces it, actually.

        And again–from her perspective, she expects everyone to feel grateful that she’s there. And on some level they should. But I feel that their not wanting her there was based on three things: her family history + Jon stepping down as king after they declared their independence + not actually understanding the threat that they were facing with the White Walkers.

      • Grant says:

        Sansa did express gratitude when she and Dany met individually in the second or third episode. But even then, why should Sansa be grateful? If Dany didn’t provide her army, the white walkers would have decimated Westeros and there would have been nothing left for Dany to rule at all. I don’t understand this argument that Sansa needed to basically get on her knees and kiss Dany’s feet for deigning to step in and help out when it was 100% in Dany’s interest to do so. Sansa is a great character and one of the only ones this whole season who kept her wits about her. She ended up being 100% correct about Dany, and Sansa had the general wherewithal to reach this conclusion BEFORE Dany went on a murderous rampage and lit up innocent civilians.

      • Linn says:

        “The entire premise on the kingdom of The North is that they didn’t “bend the knee” to foreign powers.”

        The entire premise of Dorne is “Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken” and they were the only Kingdom not conquered be the original Targaryens and still they are apparently fine with being ruled by Bran.
        The Iron Island tried to become Independent all the Time and Yara is suddenly fine with being ruled by Bran.

        The North gets to be independent while nobody else does and they still get to rule the Kingdoms they are not a part of and everybody is just fine with that. It’s ridiculous.

      • anon says:

        @VirgiliaCoriolanus: “She came because it was the right thing to do” That bitch! How dare she do the right thing and fight to save humanity?

  16. Iknow says:

    My issue was execution. All that’s happened this weekend, should have been spaced out through three seasons. It’s all happened so fast and so poorly, that we haven’t had the time to grasp what is going on. Bran being the King, in my opinion, makes sense. Neither Jon nor Daenerys ruling the Seven Kingdoms would’ve brought peace. Dany, though a Targaryen, her reign would’ve been too tainted by this desire she has to “break the wheel”. Jon, though a Targaryen, would always be seen as a bastard. Bran is the only one, at the moment, with no vengeance on his mind. No desire to favor one house over another. He knows their past and can use that to build a better future. If he were King, he would’ve seen Littlefinger’s and Lysa Arryn, whose actions put this all in motion, plotting to kill Jon Arryn. He would’ve known Walder Frey and Rose Bolton we’re going to betray the Starks at the Red Wedding. So I feel he will be a ruler the realm needs at its most broken time. The writers really messed up Bran’s story. The Three-Eyed Raven cannot see the future. Only the past. I don’t believe Bran had Sam tell Jon about his parents so he could kill Dany. It’s fair to say that Jon would’ve killed Dany anyway after what happened in the previous episodes. I am okay with everything that happened. I just believe the execution sucked big time.

  17. Cidy says:

    I didnt think it was that bad. I know people had really high expectations and I think a lot of women in the series did come out on top. Arya is living as literally free woman. Sansa is queen in the North a position that she most deserves. Jon could never have been king after he killed Daenerys. The dothraki and the unsullied would have kept fighting.

    Besides, Jon was happy being in the nights watch. He is still their lord commander. The end him on horseback leaving with Tormund and Ghost? He never wanted anything so why is everyone forcing it on him?

    Bran is the best choice for king. He sides with humanity, just like he did in the battle against the Night King. He is on the side of life. He is decidedly neutral, he will be able to sit EFFECTIVELY in the seat of power and help people whose lives have been destroyed by all these wars.

    I liked it.

    • ReginaGeorge says:

      Yep.

      Jon is a broken man after these events, but he is free.

      He is #1000th Lord Commander to a NW that no longer has to deal with the AotD, or war with Wildlings since they are at peace now as Jon has earned their respect and admiration for bringing them south of the wall and offering them land. They might even view him as an unofficial King Beyond the Wall.

      Hes got Ghost, Tormund and his freedom to live with his choices. He truly was “The Shield that Guards the Rralmsn of Men”.

      • IlsaLund says:

        I know everyone shits on Jon Snow and says he’s useless and an idiot. But I think Jon’s purpose truly was to be the “shield that guards the realms of men.” If not for Jon’s determination they wouldn’t have been able to muster the forces to defend against the AOTD and the Night King. It was Jon crying wolf and doing everything he could to get everyone to work together to fight against a greater common enemy even when everyone doubted him and thought he was crazy. And in the end, he put duty before love and did what was best for the people and killed Dany. I felt sorry for Jon.

      • FHMom says:

        @Ilsalund
        Jon was also the moral compass, like Ned before him. He was purely good.

    • Lightpurple says:

      And Yara rules the Iron Islands.

    • Erinn says:

      I was content with it. There’s a certain point where people need to accept that it’s not THEIR story. It’s George’s story. This is the ending he had planned. While the execution left a lot to be desired time wise, it really isn’t as bad as people are making it out to be. It’s not like freaking Dexter.

      Many wonderful characters end up with solid endings. Even the deaths of good characters were mainly brave ones for the greater good.

      If your happiness lies on the shoulders of one specific character having a specific ending what show have you been watching? Nobody has ever been safe.

      And as for them laughing at the idea of democracy – did nobody hear Dany saying her bit about how hard it is to picture a world that hasn’t exist or whatever. It’s easy for us to be surprised at them for it – but there was a time in our history where the idea would have been laughed at too.

      I’m usually not someone who throws the words “outrage culture” around because for the most part it’s bs. But we’re starting to veer into that territory when people are losing their everloving shit over tv shows.

      • EMc says:

        Spot on, Erinn. Im not sure why everyone is so bothered by the laughter at the thought of the people voting; the whole point of that scene was to prove that only Sam was ahead of his time.

        And yep, while we might not like the writing or the ending it isnt our story to tell.

      • VirgiliaCoriolanus says:

        Yea I don’t get people getting mad when they laughed at Sam. That is the system that they have built their entire lives on…..that they are blessed by the gods because they are superior to the common people. Of course the majority of them would laugh at the common people voting.

    • smcollins says:

      I completely agree, but we’re definitely in the minority here. My only “problem” is the rushed, shortened season to bring it all together, other than that I really enjoyed this final season. I think everyone ends up exactly where they’re meant to be, even Bran. I honestly wasn’t expecting that, but isn’t that kind of the point? I admit that I’ve never read the books but it’s my understanding that they begin from Bran’s point of view, so knowing that, it does make sense. People were going to hate it and bitch about it no matter what but I enjoyed it and, honestly, that’s all I care about. I’m not going to let others opinions spoil it for me.

  18. virginfangirls says:

    I was Ok with the ending because I like happy endings & all the Starks ended up with a descent future. However, I did miss the days when this show would have me literally shouting out in disbelief, my jaw to the floor, over a twist or a death. More true to the show might have been Jon Snow taking the thrown at the expense of his entire families death in the war.

    • insertpunhere says:

      I’ve had Ramsay Bolton’s line to Theon running through my head for weeks, when he tells him that if he thinks this has a happy ending, he hasn’t been paying attention. I was expecting the unhappy ending. Do I like that Arya gets to explore because that’s what she’s wanted to do? Absolutely. I’m also happy with Sansa as leader of the north and Brienne running the kingsguard. I don’t think the show did the work to get us to that ending, but I’m willing to admit that a happy ending for characters I liked gives me a kneejerk happy reaction.

      Having said that, I feel like Game of Thrones can be summed up by Ramsay Bolton’s quote. It’s supposed to be about how there is no happy ending, how nobody really wins, and that the world is an arbitrary place where people rarely get what they have coming to them. These disneyfied endings (and I say this as a Disney fan) just seem inconsistent with the overall storyline that GRRM has been writing this whole time. I have always hoped he’d finish the books, but now I really want to see how he ends things. I realize the broad strokes will be the same, but part of adapting a book to a show or movie is that you lose nuance and little details that make things more clear, and it is my hope that the books will give me the journey that the show kind of crapped out on in the last couple of seasons.

  19. GreenTurtle says:

    There were a lot of funny tweets, as usual, but I think my favorite was “Please have D.B. and Dan lower me into my grave when I die, so they can let me down one last time.”

    • Bunchita says:

      My favourite was something along the lines of “I like how we came full circle from throwing Bran out of the window, to throwing the show out of the window”.
      Mind you. I liked the ending.

  20. Scal says:

    I’m not mad at the ending-I just wish there weren’t so many cut aways. It felt rushed. I would have liked a entire episode about the gal out from Jon’s decision-instead we cut straight to the panel. What happened after? How did grey worm not kill him right away? What was the reaction of the other leaders when they found out? Nope just to a cut of it’s been a few weeks. It felt like a episode or 2 was missing.

    Could have also used something with Jon debating more or at least sleeping on it. Apparently it just took one conversation with Tyrion and one with Dany and he was like yup she’s a tyrant and she’s done. Tyrion explained pretty well that she’s not mad-she’s just wants to rule everything and will burn her enemies to get there. Just needed to be more than one conversation-if we had had Varys and him discuss that more or anyone mention it. But we were rushed rushed.

    A CGI dragon made me cry. Happy he and Ghost made it. I cheered Brienne at the knight commander. Sir podrick.

  21. Lisa says:

    There really isn’t much to say is there? We got played a bit. I don’t think I will be watching any of the spin-off shows. If they are like this. NOPE I am out.

    • Ainsley7 says:

      D&D aren’t involved with any of the new shows. They might not be good for their own reasons, but they won’t be like this.

  22. Hnmmom says:

    While rushed overall this season, last night’s episode was so sloooow and dragged out. It could’ve been done in 20 minutes. I was so bored. The writing was so amateur. No nuance, no poetry. Lots of long, sad looks from everyone. The Bran thing is enraging. So ridiculous how that council meeting went to chose the leader. The only winner in my book for this season is the Dragon CGI team. They did a spectacular job.

  23. Lulu says:

    Jon’s own father killed innocent people for no reason but to serve his own kingdoms power (1st season ep 1) and Jon is so butt hurt about Dany? Seasons of men killing to perpetuate their royal blood lines and power then this? I guess the show creators decided to keep this season “real” on this Sci-Fi-Dramedy of show. Because I do believe this is closer to real life than anything.
    *Rich powerful people find ways to stay rich and powerful
    *White man shocked at Black man doing exactly what he’s done for years (killing for loyalty and respect)
    *Supposedly strong women having b!+ch fights over men and selling each other out
    *Nothing actually changing, power structure remains…more power exchanging hands of same group of white royals
    *The one person who wanted true change had to die
    This is how the world works and the show has actually kept in theme with that all 8 seasons. ALL the strong women die or aren’t deserving of love. Sansa proved she’s not really changed just become more clever. She ended as the same emotionally stunted girl wanting to be a princess. Arya snd Brienne and Yara remain single as truly strong smart women here just cant have a happy ending. Why couldn’t Arya marry Gendry and rule with him? They could’ve taken over the entire world together with her master-minding while he raised the kids. Why was Yara a lesbian? Smart and strong can’t be attractive to men? Why didn’t Brienne get with a real man: Thor? B/C the writers stuck to the world as we know it.
    Yuck.

  24. Kate says:

    I feel sorry for Drogon- all alone out there in the world now.

    • Eve says:

      And being hunted by Bran (through warging, I suppose).

    • FHMom says:

      We don’t really know , do we? I also wonder if Dany is really dead. Where did Dragon bring her? In my mi d, the ending is kind of open.

  25. IlsaLund says:

    It’s not the ending that bothers me so much. It’s the execution and path traveled to get there. This really should have been played out over two seasons with better writing. Things were just left too rushed, not enough character development, not enough exposition.

    HBO should have let D&D go and brought in new show runners who could have given the show the time and attention to execute a proper ending.

  26. Jennifer says:

    I liked it and I am sooo annoyed by all the too cool critics that loved to bash this season because Dany didn’t turn out to be the Westeros savior. Glad it’s over so I don’t have to see complaint after complaint from people stomping their feet about it.

    • Giddy says:

      In the end it was entertainment, and I was entertained. I agree that the team behind Drogon was fabulous. When a CGI dragon not only makes you cry, but exhibits pure love and devotion, you know it’s incredible. I lost it when we could hear Drogon begin to cry, and when he kept nudging Dany’s body to “wake her up” I sobbed. I also loved and admired the opening sequence. This year, with going into a subterranean effect, was especially fabulous. But every year I have enjoyed seeing the parts newly added to the opening.

  27. Sean says:

    Supposedly, they have spin-offs planned. I hope one is following the adventures of Drogon and Dany’s corpse.

    Weekend at Burnie’s

    • ReginaGeorge says:

      Omg I love you for that lmaooo

      • Sean says:

        Imagine the amazing “Behind the Episode” commentary D&D would provide:

        “After GoT ended, Daenerys has been stiff. Not just from the rigormortis but also because of the emptiness that comes with death. This has left Drogon feeling alone and having to do most of the lifting.”

  28. SM says:

    For someone who has zero investment in characters and hence without the clouded judgement because of emotional attachment to the mother of dragons I would say the ending makes perfect sense. After the decision was made in the writers room for Dani to burn the city, no other outcome was possible. Her character became as poisoned as Cersei’s. Stop with the “Dany makes the same defense I made for her: Cersei was the one who used women and children as human shields, preying on Dany’s mercy”. Yes. But responding in the way she did burning people is exactly keeping with the same pattern of power that existed before her conquest for the throne. This cycle was broken in the end by deciding to elect the king and introduce election as a way of delegation of power. This is the only way that the story about power grabbing could have been resolved. I mean this thinking of well my leader is better than anyone else and so any means of getting him/her into power are justified are poison. This is how tyrants and demagogues found their way back into power now.

  29. bluerun1 says:

    I… am somewhat torn on the ending. First off- I appreciate that there IS an ending, as I’m not sure GRRM is going to be able to finish anytime soon. that says something in itself- if the mastermind behind the whole story was having trouble putting a ribbon on it, it’s not wonder D&D blundered through it. The execution of the ending was rushed and half-as*ed, at best. Dany and Jon’s ending left me cold.

    Then… yeah, plot holes galore. Bran is king. Okay- so, what in his past behavior indicates he’s any good a ruling? He’s got a good story? Huh? He attends is council meeting, makes one comment about not having everyone present, then gets wheeled away to “search for Drogon” or something. Like, is that it? Is that going to be Bran from here on out- “Oh, where’s king Bran?” “He’s communing with the ravens for no discernible reason and has yet to make any real laws, but don’t worry he’s ~magic!”

  30. Mike says:

    I am so glad I did not send 8 years watching this show just to get this bullshit ending. Every single character I liked was killed, dismissed or forced to do stupid things to make the plot work. In the end the people who risked the least physically and emotionally won. The status quo won. I guess I should not be surprised given the show runners. The great cast and the fans deserved better than this. Drogan should have burned the whole city down

  31. Margareth says:

    THis finale was an epic mess.
    Emila Clarke’s acting was the only joy in all that misery. I hope she wins an Emmy.

  32. Nikki says:

    I just don’t believe the Dothrakis would have let anyone who killed Dani live, AND if the dragon flew off with her body, how did anyone even find out Jon stabbed her to death? Did he just go to Greyworm and confess? Because frankly, I think Greyworm would have killed him on the spot, too. So THAT part I thought was very hazy, lazy writing. My favorite moment of the show was when Sansa said something like “Please sit, Uncle,” and didn’t even raise her voice. When he seemed to want to appeal, her eyes merely indicated his seat, and I just loved that she’d already crowned herself Queen of the North. I liked at least having the closure of SEEING Cersei’s dead body, and I liked seeing Jon pat his Direwolf. But do I believe for a moment a horde of Dothrakis and a massive army of Greyworm’s would have waited around for weeks for a collection of lords and ladies to decide Jon’s fate? No way.

    • Turtledove says:

      “But do I believe for a moment a horde of Dothrakis and a massive army of Greyworm’s would have waited around for weeks for a collection of lords and ladies to decide Jon’s fate? No way.”

      100% agree. Obviously some of the confusion comes from having to cram everything in to one episode, they just hit the fast forward button. But YES…my husband and I were also like “We want to know what happened right AFTER he killed her”. And if GreyWorm was all “No, you can’t talk to Jon Snow”, then why was Jon even still alive? It doesn’t make sense to show GreyWorm so adamant about Jon being punished…..but having let Jon lives for “weeks” waiting for the Lords and Ladies to arrive. That was very messy and nonsensical. It didn’t make sense. Honestly, when they showed GreyWorm looking pissed near the very end…as the ships were loading up? I thought for sure he was going to try to kill Jon. Glad he didn’t…but I think that would have made more sense,

    • Diana B says:

      Tyrion and Jon should have been executed for treason by the unsullied and the Dotraki. Instead we got Tyrion deciding who should rule next and being hand once again while Jon f*cks off to the north.

    • Original T.C. says:

      Truth! And where was the Queen’s guard? Dany was always guarded after finding out that Jon had told his sisters that he’s a Targaryen. After giving her speech to her military and arresting Tyrion, she walked away shielded by two Unsullied guards.

      There is no way that Greyworm would have left her alone or tell guards to allow Jon near her alone. Drogon guarding the outside is not enough. For sure he would have killed Jon instead of arresting him for killing Danerys. He literally had nothing to lose with both Missandei and Dany gone.

  33. Margareth says:

    I agree about Dany as a revolutionary as Che Guevara. She reminds me also a character of Greek tragedy.

  34. line says:

    The season is disappointing , so the end is too. Bran as king is not a symbol of stability, he can not have children so no heir, so not stability.
    Except if he decide to appoint one of children of Sansa as heir.

    I think the right choice was gendry or to choose a parliamentary democracy. (which would have been a logical choice, because all the dead for this throne,deserve to put end this monarchy).

    Finally the great winner is Sansa, she put one of her brothers on the throne, which allowed her to have the independence of the north and to become queen of the north.

    • Iknow says:

      The monarchy is no longer by hereditary. It’s by a council, elected by the highlords. I am for Bran’s pragmatism. As much as Bran is biologically Sansa’s brother, he will not favor her above all others. That’s why I think he was a good choice. No one else could’ve been King or Queen without war breaking out every couple of years.

      • Diana B says:

        Except when he did favored her when she unilaterally declared the north independent. The other Lords should have done the same, especially Yara, but nonsensicall plot, right?

      • FHMom says:

        @Diana
        Yara declared her loyalty to Dany, so she shou,d have declared the Iron Island independent. Big plot hole

  35. Turtledove says:

    I didn’t hate the entire finale as much as I expected. Or maybe my expectations were so low that I was able to find SOME good in small doses.

    The finale was shot beautifully…as someone else said, that shot with Drogon’s wings unfurling behind Dany? Beautiful. Actually, EVERYTHING with Drogon this episode was amazing….and yes, I cried.

    I didn’t care about Bran at all…so him being crowned was so “meh” to me, but sure, he will make a good King. I suppose the poetic justice of him being the boy that was thrown out the window in S1, now being king is…interesting??? Meh…I just didn’t care. Also–HATED that they wanted to know where Drogon was and he was all “I’ll go see”. Hold up there Branny-Boy. Where were you 2 episodes ago when they needed to know about Euron and his Rhaegal-ending weapons of dragon-destruction? NOW you are all helpful with your 3 Eyes? Oh, THANKS!

    I thought Arya had a great ending. The romantic in me wanted to see her with Gendry, but alas that is not Arya. No need for her to be a crazy assassin anymore…she underwent that training as a revenge-hungry girl that wanted to deal with her kill list. And her list is all checked off. So I thought that made sense. Also, I like to think she will find out what is west of Westeros and come back to visit., and tell people what she found.

    The fact that the next king will be chosen by a panel is…a start? I guess? Though, I feel like that leaves them open to more war and violence. Won’t they all fight over who is “elected” next time?

    I was happy to see so many people live. Davos, Brienne, Arya, Podrick….these were all characters that I really was glad made it to the end.

    One thing that I wasn’t sure about… so they basically sentence Jon to be part of the Night’s Watch. The NK and AOTD are gone…there is no more Night’s Watch, right? But ok…leaving that aside….was their intention for Jon’s punishment to be that he stay at Castle Black, mostly or completely alone, taking all the Crow’s Oaths-no land, no women and no kids etc? So what we saw was him basically disobeying and running off with the Wildings and Ghost into the Northest part of the North? It’s funny because I think many fans were hoping for Jon to end up in the North with Tormund and Ghost, and D&D couldn’t even quite do that right. Had Jon decided to do that himself, it would have made so much more sense for him to DECIDE to do that on his own…vs being sentenced to the Night’s Watch.

    • VirgiliaCoriolanus says:

      I am wondering about the Wildlings too. I would assume the group and maybe a few more are what’s left of them……since the NK already went through and collected his army.

      • FHMom says:

        There were woman and children in that group. I suppose Jon will take a wife and he and Tormund will lead together. There’s going to a post war baby boom.

  36. Rise above says:

    I was rewatching season 2 episode 10 (I think) where Dany goes/gets lured to the house of the undying to retrieve her stolen dragons. Before she gets to the dragons there is major foreshadowing. The warlock shows her a different reality and her possible future. She isn’t distracted and follows the sounds of her baby dragons. The iron throne is shown as her possible future, broken ceiling, covered in ashes she almost touched it in that episode… the same manner in which she finally does touch the throne in the finale… 🙄 Watch it you guys.

  37. grabbyhands says:

    So basically Dany’s story gets reduced to another case of a crazy bitch who was out of control and basically forces her man to take her out, but it’s okay because he was crying when he did it because he just loves her so much. “I didn’t want to hurt you, baby but you MADE me do it?”.

    Abusers everywhere must have been rejoicing at this story line.

    Everyone’s story lines that have been built up for the last eight seasons seems to have ended up being pretty pointless. The Starks who fought so hard to find each other again are now scattered. Jon, whose whole things was his parentage and fighting the Night King – pointless. His parentage ended up meaning nothing and now he’s going back to a Night’s Watch that has no point in existing now that the NK is gone (having been taken out in a matter of minutes after having been built up as the big bad for most of the series. Dany, whose whole thing was taking back control and eliminating injustices – pointless. Eight seasons of character development ignored because the hack writers decided they wanted to shoehorn the Mad Queen idea in instead. Arya – whose whole thing was trying to get back to her family after having taken out everyone on her hit list – pointless. The one person who was at the top of the list gets to go out in the arms of the person she loved and Arya just ends up going on walkabout anyway. Sansa is about the only one who got anything close to what she wanted. And she only had to be brutally raped and emotionally and psychologically tortured to be sure she could handle being a leader.
    And in the end, the spoils go to all the men who don’t really deserve it. Bran spent the entire run of the show being wheeled around staring at people and not helping at all when it counted. Bronn, who spent the entire run of the show being an opportunistic assh*ole and serving only himself and Tyrion who started off strong and ended up just being a fountain of bad advice.

    • VirgiliaCoriolanus says:

      I feel like killing her dragon off (Rhaegal?) was utterly pointless.

      Absolutely no payoff about Jon’s heritage…….so then wtf was the point of Varys writing ravens if it was never going to be mentioned again. Especially since the Unsullied were leaving Westeros……like anyone is going to punish or want to punish Jon for killing Daenerys. You don’t even really know what HE thinks about Ned not being his father, or what happened with his mother, etc.

      Ugh.

    • adastraperaspera says:

      Yes, it was textbook domestic abuse style of killing her. Stabbing being quite cruelly intimate as a mode. Lots of studies done on this. Men are rarely represented as being murdered this way and are not so much in real life. Disturbing and irresponsible of the writers to perpetuate this kind of end. She deserved to die like a warrior.

  38. DaggerIsle says:

    The one thing that really infuriated me is this idea that the Lannister soldiers ‘had a choice’.
    This is a feudal society, where boys of modest means are pledged as soldiers to the Houses whose lands they are are born into.
    They can’t exactly swan off or they will be executed as deserters. Just because they aren’t slaves doesn’t mean that they are free.

    And if you want to talk about choice, last episode they did make a choice- they turned against their Queen and surrendered. And still got butchered.

    • VirgiliaCoriolanus says:

      They didn’t, that’s the point. It’s doublespeak. That is why Jaime’s killing of the Mad King was such a shock–because he swore oaths, no matter what to defend the king. Same with soldiers. It doesn’t matter why, just that they did/didn’t.

      The one thing the show did this season and last season really well was give humanity to the soldiers. I could not really enjoy the Supply Train attack from last season bc of how hard the Lannister soldiers were shaking.

      That is why Tyrion’s advice, etc was geared towards the least amount of bloodshed as possible.

      • DaggerIsle says:

        Yes, but I bet a lot of people won’t see that. They’ll believe Greyworm and feel they deserve their execution because ‘they had a choice’. Which is exactly what this post said in the first synopsis.

  39. Brooke says:

    I know this is not a very popular opinion but I kinda liked the finale. Were there things that I hoped were different? Absolutely. I am still a little bitter about Dany. I think she was out of character this season. I know she was angry but I don’t think she would kill a city full of innocent people to avenge her best friend. I don’t think Missandei meant for her to anyway. Overall, I liked the ending.

    I was honestly surprised when Bran became king but I think it was a good pick. He’s pretty chill and has the whole three eyed raven thing going for him.

    I loved that Sansa became queen. I love that she went from a little girl wanting to be a queen to a king to a queen in her own right. I think she’s probably come the longest way as far as actually growing up. I also loved that Arya went to travel the world.

    Jon’s ending made me a little sad. I think he was resigned to his fate and I think he was ok with being executed for killing Dany. The very ending kinda confused me though. I know he was taking the wildlings back but then he looked back. It kinda seemed like he was just going to run away and live with them. I could be wrong and reading too far into all of this.

    The saddest part for me though was when Dany’s dragon found her and tried to wake her up. I cried.

    • Iknow says:

      I think Jon was leaving to live with the Wildlings.

    • VirgiliaCoriolanus says:

      I wanted all of the Starks (with Arya coming and going) to go back North……..with Jon and Bran to support Sansa as queen. The rest of the seven kingdoms broken back into their own kingdoms and slowly rebuilding themselves. Separating all of the Starks was complete bulllllshit.

      • Sterkviking says:

        To me, the whole story was about the Starks being a pack. Relying on each other and being a family. Their love for each other is why I watched it. They wanted to be together. And now they are separated. I did not like that the most.

    • Myrtle says:

      I felt like Jon wasn’t going to go back…he was intending to become a wildling and live North of the Wall with his friends. (Speaking of the magically rebuilt wall, what use is it now, anyway? Another gaping plot hole.)

      • ReginaGeorge says:

        The wall was destroyed at Eastwatch By the Sea. He went back to Castle Black. There is no point for the Wall anymore so its just basically a whole row ow castles. Most of them empty now.

    • EMc says:

      Are we the same person?! My thoughts exactly.

      Ill add that i did feel bad for Jon.. he really would have been a good king, and had good intentions. He kinda got screwed, being sent to the wall. Again.

  40. Iknow says:

    I think the women came out on top considering all the powerful males who’ve died and have been broken. Is there really a male in the entire series who haven’t been broken in some way. All the characters paid a steep price. No one is left without a scar. Littlefinger’s plot truly touched everyone. When I think about this long journey, I have to think about where all the women were in the beginning and what their arch has been. At the beginning, Sansa wanted a charming prince to make her queen. She betrayed her father all in the name of keeping in Cersei’s good graces and therefore Joffrey’s. She was insipid and vapid and barely interesting. Look at her now! She learned from her past, became smarter than her enemies, and determined her own fate as Queen of the NOrth. Even Daenary’s found her voice. In the beginning, she was deathly afraid of her brother, of being married Khal Drogo, but lowly, she found her voice and became who she was on her terms. Arya, from a girl knew her mind and her nature and held on to that until the very last scene. She told them all from the beginning that she will not be anyone’s wife. I just don’t feel the women came out any worse than the men. We have some who won and some who lost.

    • DaggerIsle says:

      I agred with that assessment.

      Still don’t think Sansa was sneaky- she’s ruled the North for a while now, she’s seen how the South has screwed up and she wants to protect her people.

      • Vanessa says:

        I honestly believe Sansa just wanted to protect her people she always had their best interest at heart .

  41. Myrtle says:

    Great recap, Kaiser! All your recaps have been pure gold—funny and incisive. I will miss them!

    Considering how things were going this season, and the previous season (i.e. rushed AF), I’m fairly happy with the ending. Last-ever episodes of beloved shows are often disappointing. This one could have been totally bleak; instead, they gave us some silly hope. Whatevs. Dany’s descent ultimately did break the wheel—not in the way she envisioned, but through her tragic arc, symbolized by Drogon melting the Iron Throne. (Good article on Vulture about the ‘Tragedy of Daenerys’ that sums up my feelings here.) I loved her, but she did break bad and had to go.

    In my heart, I’m glad so many Starks made it through the finale. Although Bran’s Barnabas Collins haircut is the worst! He’d have been so much more likeable as the 3-eyed robot with long hair. Anyway, long live Queen Sansa, and Arya the Explorer and even Wildling Jon. Not to mention Tyrion the Talker, and Brienne the Brave… our heroes. Long may they reign.

  42. Becks1 says:

    (haven’t read the comments yet)

    Honestly, I didn’t hate it. It was a little boring, and Bran being king was just annoying, but I couldn’t figure out who else should have been king. I liked how they laughed at Sam’s idea of democracy though.

    I thought Jon being banished to the wall was REALLY dumb though. Every one there – besides Greyworm – was glad he killed Dany. He saved them all a lot of trouble. After Greyworm left, why not tell Jon “hey just kidding, stay here.”

    I thought it was going to end with Jon seeing more white walkers, but apparently not.

    I don’t know. It was fine. There was closure, story lines were tied up, I think by this point in the story, given who was still alive, it was fine.

    Both Mad Queens (dany and Cersei) died in the arms of someone they loved.

    Okay going to read the other comments now.

    • Eve says:

      @Blanca:

      I was about to post that. The showrunners did Daenerys dirty.

    • dappadaph says:

      Yep…spot on.

    • Cindy says:

      It’s completely right except about one thing: Varys did search support for Dany in Westeros. He was the one who got the Martells and Tyrells to ally with her.

      This was one point D&D chose not to develop properly in her storyline. The loss of the Martell and Tyrell houses were HUGE for Dany. Sure, she barely knew those women so it’s not like she’ll weep for them for nights. But she knew they were powerful women – just like her – who got obliterated by another powerful woman. She’s used to burning corrupt and primitive patriarchies. This was new ground for her.

      Everything about Dany’s plot needed slower pacing. She should’ve reflected on these losses and truly measure the enemy she’s competing against. Why did she approach Dragonstone so carelessly? Tyrion – who knos Cersei better than anyone – couldn’t see that coming? That stupid rush of events made Missandei’s death pointless. She lost half her army, a dragon, Jorah, and her claim to the throne in 2 episodes. After all that did she really need to see her best friend in chains and slaughtered to go insane?

      Considering how underwhelming the WW arc ended, they should’ve just ended S7 with that and develop the Dany vs. Cersei plot properly. Cersei was also done dirty this season – did we really see her do anything other than standing in a balcony smirking besides weeping in Jaime’s arms before dying?

  43. Mabs A'Mabbin says:

    I enjoyed the ending lol. It was rushed just like the season and the season before it. But the Starks pretty much got everything they deserved. I wish some heathens were still alive to wallow in their shadows, but that’s too much story. This past week, I remember telling someone that Bran pretty much became the most important person on the planet. Maybe they thought it was a good twist, but it makes complete sense to me, he’s doing what he was trained to do, and he has the superior knowledge to keep everything short and sweet lol, he even said he was going to locate Drogon. Of course he is. And Tyrion is his bitch for life.

    I thought Daeny would kill Tyrion in front of her army lol, but alas, he needed to have a convo with Jon. I knew Jon would do the deed when he walked in the throne room. I don’t know why, but when D sat on the throne in that decimated space of ash and snow, I was all, you is one crazy beech. Jon thought so too. I teared when Drogon inched towards his mom. I loved him melting the throne. And even loved the rage and fire around Jon but not Jon’s person. I hate it that Jon’s done nothing but fight since the beginning, and he basically gets nothing in the end, but he did what he was trained to do, what he was supposed to do, and now a peaceful rest of life is earned. He’s back in the real North with his wolf and Tormund. Maybe he can find another chica kissed by fire.

    Arya is happy? I suppose she’s doing exactly what she said she would. She’s headed our way. She too has been training since episode one, and I suppose assassins aren’t really social people. She eliminated so very many eyes, closed them forever, now she has wandering eyes. Sansa is doing what she was meant to do, and what she was trained to do. She looks damn good doing it too. Who else is going to rule the unruly North and all those crazy men, but a Northern Stark trained by the Lannisters?

    Loved the Tully shutdown….that dude has….nothing. Of course Sam’s a Maester. Of course Brienne wrote all of Jaime’s deeds in the great book. Hagiography…good word Kaiser! And Brienne at the table is awesome sauce. Bron master of coin? Kind of a comical ending, but it was obviously meant to illicit smiles. I smiled.

    • Becks1 says:

      honestly, Tyrion not dying was the part that annoyed me the most. Not because I wanted him to die, but because that was out of character for Dany to NOT kill him as soon as he took off the brooch/pin.

    • VirgiliaCoriolanus says:

      I feel like they did Edmure Tully so dirttty though. He’s just been liberated from a prisoner for years after his sister and nephew were murdered while he was having sex with his wife….who had his son…….and then he was coerced by Jaime to cause the death of his uncle by going to the gate and ordering the men of Riverrun to open it (which he did because Jaime threatened to have his infant son thrown over the walls of Riverrun)………..by all respects, he should be a totally different character, humbled by how his actions helped put them in the mess they all were in (not listening to his nephew in season 2, etc)…. I thought when he stood up he was going to support Sansa as queen, not offer himself up as the king.

      Ridiculous.

      • Mabs A'Mabbin says:

        I suppose most stories have a bumbling idiot. Lord Edmure is such a character, not worthy of praise or death lol. Maybe they’ll produce a show about his little family Frey unit…Little Cottage on the Northern Prairie.

      • VirgiliaCoriolanus says:

        He wasn’t a bumbling idiot though. He was young(er)/the youngest son of two sisters who had been coddled and wanted to prove himself to be the future Lord of Riverrun e.g. he was under the shadows of everyone around him……his father, his sisters, his uncle. That is why he disobeyed Robb’s orders and went for the easy victory–because he didn’t know the bigger picture. He was insecure, basically. That scene is a complete 180 and absolutely ridic.

      • Mabs A'Mabbin says:

        But he was. His actions are the very definition. Capturing the boys. Fighting for that reasoning which his father and Rob shook theirs heads in dismay. His arrows missing at the funeral. His facial expressions while looking at the Frey women. The fact that the final words we hear from him until he’s used as a pawn at Riverrun were about not letting his monster out because it couldn’t be caged afterword. Really? And showing up the final episode to put himself up as king? He’s the village idiot if ever there was one lol. His insecurities are indeed his flaw, but his flaws aren’t respected. His character is what it is.

  44. Dina says:

    Interesting – they got rid of one tyrant and then decided it was a good idea to install Bran in her place. A man who knows what’s happening everywhere, knows everything everyone is doing, and can control people’s minds.

    In short, Bran (or whoever he is now – as he said, he’s not Bran Stark anymore) possesses a level of absolute power that no past ruler has ever had.

    Oh, and none of the other characters actually knows exactly what he is, what the 3-eyed-raven is, what the intentions/ruling philosophy of this entity in Bran Stark’s body is.

    He’s basically a (super powerful) stranger & mystery to them all and seems to feel no need to explain himself, his objectives, or his actions.

    So, they made him king. Sure, seems legit.

    Hope people enjoy his reign because unlike previous rulers, no one is going to be able to get rid of him, effectively counteract him, or thwart his will unless he allows it.

    • Cindy says:

      And mind you, they also appointed Tyrion hand after he conspired against his queen and admitted himself he’s done a horrible job at it. Bran’s brilliant reasoning? “I don’t want to be King either so I don’t care if you don’t want it either”.

    • kris says:

      THANK YOU! Everyone is just assuming he’s ‘good’ b/c he’s in a wheelchair…I guess it makes sense that they don’t know what he did to Hodor! From the little character building they presented, dude doesn’t listen, He didn’t listen to his mom in the pilot, and he was deadweight being dragged around the snow, and never listened when people told him to stop warging. Who knows if this all wasn’t a set up, maybe he could control the Night King and brought him there?!

    • Linn says:

      Bran is greatly qualified to be locked into a room at the Citadel with a bunch of writers so the “memories of mankind” don’t get lost if he dies without training the next raven.

      He clearly is not suited to be King and the reasons given in the show make no sense at all.

      Also, considering the north is now independent they should not be allowed to vote for or be voted on gets to rule the rest. It’s not their business anymore.

      And instead of ending up as Hand of the King, Tyrion should have been killed by Daenerys the second she found out about him freeing Jaime. She kills everybody else, but Tyrion is given the chance to weasel his way out.

      And don’t get my started about how Bronn gets to be Master of Coin and Lord of Highgarden.

  45. Nona says:

    I liked the ending. I have no problem with everyone’s ultimate fate. Was the season rushed and did it lack character development? Hell yes. I would have been much more prepared for Bran being king if maybe I had seen just a few minutes of Bran’s and Tyrion’s conversations at Winterfell. Those conversations obviously affected Tyrion deeply and were central to his decision to nominate Bran as king.
    I loved that Jon’s final choice was to say, f*ck the rules I’ve been following all my life. I’m not hanging around here at Castle Black, all gloomy and celibate. Instead, he left the Wall and headed for a life of freedom—and most likely, a family if he wants it—as a Wilding leader.
    And Ghost. Best boy ever.

  46. DaggerIsle says:

    All I could think in the end was that Tywin Lannister would have been livid at the thought of the Starks ruling the whole of Westeros.

    Also his name is Robert Arryn, not Robin.
    And seeing him all grown up was a bit of a shock.

    And why wasn’t Bronn, the new Lord of Highgarden present at the vote? he just appeared randomly at the small council as Master of Coin ( which Iis ridiculous for so many reasons).

    Oh, and Daenerys’ idea of ‘breaking the wheel’ was basically destroy all the ruling families, and their cities, to protect her claim.
    So much for a liberator.

  47. Isa says:

    Tyrion should’ve died.

  48. Lucy says:

    I mean…it WAS bittersweet. But the pack survived. Arya is Someone. Dany’s ending was tragic, but she will never be forgotten. And the wheel was indeed broken.
    (The fact that Lord Baratheon was sitting there looking like THAT but we barely got to see him for 5 seconds is utter travesty, though.)

    • Fallon says:

      RIGHT! How are you going to just pan the camera past him when he’s sitting there… looking like THAT. Whew.

  49. Jessica says:

    I just can’t with this entire season, but this episode was a particular POS. So much wrong. But what really got me was the OF COURSE the prisoner Tyrion got to speak and had a brilliant idea and everyone went along with his brilliant idea. They elect a male king who … I won’t even get into… the all the important people are white men )save for token Brianne). This is a terrible message. Fuck the writers! Horrible. Absolutely Horrible.

  50. manda says:

    I’m happy here. Bran was a surprise and for me, it worked. I didn’t want dany or jon. Arya would have been cool. I would like to see more of arya’s story

    They are keeping the night’s watch as a jail–remember, they never really believed in white walkers, anyway. There is also nothing to suggest that people from westeros will all of a sudden *stop* being scared of and judgmental towards the wildlings, so they will continue to do what they did for years and years and years before the first episode of the show when they first saw the white walkers, and keep the wildlings on their side.

  51. CK says:

    I didn’t hate it. Honestly, I find the notion that Dany would “break” the wheel absurd when her claim to power the whole series has been “the wheel” aka her ancestry. Yes, she could and would do good. However, she’d eventually die and her son/daughter by virtue of ancestry would rule (with dragons) condemning people to the Targaryan genetic lottery for generations once again. Houses would cut marriage deals to curry favor. The wheel would continue. Even before they got off of the source material, her chosen method of execution (Dragon fire) was crueler than the typical beheading. People tend to overlook that since it’s “her enemies”, but that’s always been her fatal flaw. Ned Stark and Missandei were given more merciful deaths by much more terrible people.

    As for them picking Bran and setting up a new system, it makes sense imo. Most of the people there were representing their house/country based on the fact that everyone ahead of them in the hierarchy had been killed in silly wars over the Iron throne by people with varying ancestral claims. It makes sense for them to want to move away from that and to pick someone benevolent who doesn’t want to rule. Sharing power among 6 kingdoms is a lot better.

    • VirgiliaCoriolanus says:

      I feel like that’s a cop out ending tho–the Iron throne ending. People are people. As long as there is a monarchy, they are going to want their families to be on top or close to the throne. This might work for a generation or two or five….but eventually someone will want their son to be king and then the wheel will continue.

      • Turtledove says:

        “I feel like that’s a cop out ending tho–the Iron throne ending. People are people. As long as there is a monarchy, they are going to want their families to be on top or close to the throne. ”

        Exactly. The actual throne is melted down, but as long as there is ONE KING….there will be fighting about who gets to be king next. “The Throne” is not JUST the actual, physical, iron throne. The throne is the title. So bizarre that they want to act like just picking someone they all agree on _today_ is going to solve that problem. Sansa told Tully to take a seat….but who is to say he doesn’t come for Bran in a month, or wait a few decades until bran dies…and then kill off whoever he thinks is most likely to be elected next, boosting HIS chances? This was a ridiculous idea. I have seen so many fan theories of “the 7 kingdoms will ALL go back to being independent”…why couldn’t the writers see the sense in that? This aspect isn’t even a matter of “I didn’t get the ending I wanted”, I really just feel like this part simply does not make sense

  52. Becks1 says:

    Oh and I’ll add that I agree with others that I wanted to see what happened after Jon killed Dany. They skipped ahead weeks/months and I think they could have spared some time to show us the immediate aftermath of that.

  53. broodytrudy says:

    I thought it was laughably bad, and I watched both the Dexter and Lost finale. Legit one of the worst endings I’ve ever seen.

    Like, cool that you’ve got wheelchair wikipedia, but what are you supposed to do when he dies and there’s no all encompassing ruler anymore? Anyone who comes after him is a bit of a joke, right? Back to square one.

    Also apparently the entire ceiling of the red keep didn’t collapse like we saw. And Grey Worm and co going to Naath to get killed by poisonous butterflies. And Arya sailing west, when no one who has ever sailed west has come back. And Jon going North to live with the Freefolk, despite no one checking up on him at the wall and literally living in his sister’s kingdom which is now independent and could take him in with no one knowing. And Bronn being the Master of Coin despite being extremely self serving and not knowing how a loan worked until like three seasons ago. And and and… the plot holes just abound.

    What a mess. I’m glad the show is over. I will, however, miss seeing the costumes. Sansa’s coronation dress was incredible. And I’ll miss Ramin Djawadi.

    • FHMom says:

      Jon exiled himself for his crime. I think that by agreeing to join the Nights Watch, although that wasn’t what he really did, he forfeits his claim to the throne, which he never wanted anyway.

      • broodytrudy says:

        Oh, sorry. that’s not the point i was making. It was the giant gaping plot hole of “we’re going to send you north so that a giant war won’t break out”, when no one is actually going to ensure Jon goes North, so logically he could live a very quiet and peaceful life in Winterfell especially since grey worm and co dipped to go get slaughtered by poisonous butterflies in naath. None of it makes sense.

      • DS9 says:

        Logically he could but the Stark honor is legendary. It would be easy for everyone to believe he’d keep his word.

        And honestly, I don’t think the Unsullied and Dothraki needed him truly exiled, only barred from rule, power, or influence. Jon upheld the spirit of that when he headed north of the wall.

        He’s gonna have wildling babies eventually I’m sure.

  54. Stacy Dresden says:

    I was with this show until the end. I’ve read all the books. I am not watching the final. Who wants to see Daenerys stabbed in the heart by the only family left to her? Everything is bleak and ruined. So many thrilling, uncovered myseries ended up meaning NOTHING!

  55. Reeta Skeeter says:

    I’m surprised people listened to Tyrion and appointed Bran, when as another poster eloquently put above, Tyrion has made endless wrong decisions and Bran is a great unknown. How can you truly trust someone who can see all?

  56. Elizabeth says:

    Samwell and his brief “we need a democracy” speech… and then the aristocracy laughed and laughed. Those in power never give up power voluntarily.

    • Eve says:

      Precisely. I was enraged during that moment not only because of what represented to Westeros but by how much that resembles what happens in real life (especially in countries like mine).

      Know-It-Alls who are over analyzing that scene and my outrage, forgive me for taking it personally. It’s just that the constant reminder that nothing ever changes for the common folks, the unlucky, the poor…hurts.

      It truly hurts.

      • Cindy says:

        I’m sorry but I can’t possibly think of a worse way to end this series than Samwell Tarly inventing democracy, acting like the average Westerosi citizen who can’t even read will pick a better ruler than Dany, and everyone turning out happy in the end.

        This finale already had enough character inconsistencies. The lords of Westeros suddenly becoming woke and agreeing to a democracy makes even less sense than Bran as king.

      • DS9 says:

        And how does one ensure a fair and equal election process in Westeros?

        Just logistically, how?

      • Eve says:

        @Cindy:

        Who you’re sorry but not sorry for? Me? Or the characters on the show?

        Because I made a reference to how this vicious cycle (the ones with the power will never give that up for the grater good) reminded me of my own country.

        And it hurt me seeing the mere sugggestion/ idea of distributing a little bit of power was scoffed at like that.

        By the way, I NEVER said they (lords and ladies) should have suddenly become “woke”.

        What enraged me was seeing the way Samwell and his idea was received: with both disbelief and outright mockery. That shameless cackling.

        Then it hit too close to home and, I repeat, it hurt me (Eve). Because that’s how these a**holes are everywhere, especially in countries like mine (Brazil): screw the people, let’s mantain our lifestyle, our way of thinking, our system because it benefits US the rich.

        That shocked me to the core: seeing how a fantasy show was so close to (my own) reality.

      • Eve says:

        @DS9:

        You should ask David Benioff, B.D.Weiss and George R.R. Martin about that, not me.

      • Eve says:

        So little time to edit a comment…*sigh*.

        I meant “grEater good” and “shook me to the core”.

  57. Angela82 says:

    Honestly my two major complaints and I had a ton for this season was 1) how boring it was and 2) how they tried to rehash Cersei’s character. No she was not better than Dany, Tyrion. I hate that he even weep for her. The sister who has wanted him dead his entire live. Give me a f—ing break. Also I couldn’t get into the Bran as king story-arc. Just seemed plain stupid and why is Tyrion taken seriously? He even admitted to failing in every aspect as the hand. Also why is there still a wall? Just to punish Jon Snow? He is far from my favorite character but why was he the one punished for betraying Dany and Tyrion gets to keep his same old job? Dumb AF.

    • Andrea says:

      Wasn’t he weeping for Jaime?? His brother was the only one who loved him in his family..

  58. DS9 says:

    I liked the ending. I don’t mind Bran on the throne, not because of his experience of whatever but because he’s not going to be a hands on king anymore than the last few were.

    Aerys was up there doing mad king shit while the council ruled. Robert was drinking and whoring while Jon Arryn/Ned Stark and his council ran shit. Then Robert dies and Tywin/Tyrion run shit with their council.

    Cersei was the only one who ruled and ran her own crap and look how that turned out.

    Tyrion’s point was that the truth of the story didn’t matter. The legend did.

    Sansa is queen of the North which imo rights the deaths of her parents, her brothers, even Lyanna Mormont. Remember that Robb Stark did not declare himself king of Westeros, just King in the North. Jon Snow was not declared king of Westeros either but King in the North.

    Of the four major houses as shown us throughout the series, Lannister, Stark, Baratheon, and Targaryen, Bran is the best choice once you rule out Sansa for the North and Gendry as a commoner with not experience and only recently legitimized by a murdered queen.

    Jon was a non entity imo. He wasn’t anymore fit to be king than Daenerys. His best role as always been champion of the people.

    And I did like that they layed out a rational, preplanned reason for Daenerys’s actions, like them or not. She did not go mad. She gave her commands to Grey Worm and the Dothraki. She was always setting that city on fire.

  59. Cindy says:

    If tey had at least paced this more properly I would’ve been more cool with it. I hated seeing Bran on the throne and Tyrion STILL as hand to the kind, but more than anything I hated that Dany’s “mad queen” reign lasted barely half an episode.

    These last 3 eps should’ve been a whole season. Dany’s story, the slowest paced since S1, ended on such an abrupt and rushed note.

  60. HeyThere! says:

    Okay. I have thoughts but I think I would have been disappointed no matter what because I don’t want it to end. This season felt RUSHED, to say the least. Could have squeezed a few more episodes in for character development. Arya’s storyline is really bothering me. I don’t mind that she’s exploring. That ‘fits’. I just think we needed more explanation on why she’s changed her ways, and more on that, idk. She’s the rockstar of this show in my eyes, and I think she should have been given more credit, if that’s the right word, for killing the Night King and being the badass that she is. She’s a young girl, who grows up to be my favorite character and I wish she had a spin-off show. I love her. She’s wise and a badass. I want Arya to be Queen. She deserves it so that’s probably why she didn’t get to. And are they telling us Bron had this idea the ENTIRE TIME?!?! He’s like ‘why do you think I came so far??? So I could be KING, bitch.’ Seemed like an odd choice in my humble opinion.

    • broodytrudy says:

      Lol, d&d are not good enough to make it so Bran has been planning this all along. I thought it was supposed to be a comedic relief line. Let’s not forget about the horse Arya rides out of King’s Landing only to have her back inside the city at the beginning of the episode. So bizarre. So much was a complete waste of time.

      And yes, they botched Arya’s character.

      • HeyThere! says:

        BROODYTRUDY, 100% agree on the white horse then BAM she’s still there! Odd. I just really loved her and wanted more depth for the ending.

  61. Sof says:

    I think the problem most people had with the show is that, in the end, all the characters acted as they would in the books, which crashed with the image D&D created.
    I’m not going to write all my thoughts on Danerys because frankly, I wanted her dead since the begining of the second book and was apalled to see how everyone loved her. I always found her problematic, even in her treatment of Jhiqui, Irri, Rakharo, Aggo and Jhogo. She was no revolutionary, her only interest was to rule them all, much like Cersei. The fact that she never accepted her lack of claim to the throne, her father’s actions, etc. made me more angry.

  62. CES says:

    I think we can all agree this and probably the last season too were rushed. Some might feel it’s disappointing, but Dany was always going to go mad. She was going to force people to view things as she saw them or die. That’s something a tyrant would do. A “good person” would respect the beliefs of others and use kindness and compassion to change their views if they feel their views were wrong. Dany was perfectly fine with using fear to make her dream come true and to me it reminded me of Hitler. Hitler had a lot of the same ideas Dany had and Hitler wanted to cleanse the world of who he saw as dirty people. Hitler was mad and would have not made the world a better place despite what he felt was good. The scene where Dany overlooks everyone and makes her announcement and speech in high Valerian reminded me of Hitler and how he would deliver speeches. I think that’s what the writers were going for in that sense. Although her going mad was inevitable I feel that they rushed that development so when she finally did become truly mad it seemed as if it was triggered because of being denied something as simple as sex. I found that sexist for the writers to portray a woman goes mad because a man doesn’t want her. I really feel they didn’t do Dany justice there and it was completely misogynistic in how they handled it. The same with Jaime where he fucks Brienne one episode and leaves her the next. I feel like that would have happened, sure, but that fast? One episode later? That was just ridiculous.

    I was overall satisfied with the ending. I hope they do a spinoff for Arya. I would love to see her adventures and where they take her. Jon’s would be interesting too.

    The ending wasn’t as satisfying as some other shows I’ve seen, but for me the worst ending was Dexter. I never saw lost, but heard it ended horrible and same with How I met your mother. Dexter’s ending enraged me especially the bit about his sister. Was it necessary she had to get killed off in such a vile way? Lol yes I’m still mad even years later. Just a word of advice for anyone who is considering watching Dexter, do not watch the last season.

  63. Becks1 says:

    I think what annoyed me about this season overall (or maybe the whole show) is just how much was for nothing. Like, Varys sending the ravens with news of Jon’s parentage. Nothing happened with that. Was it even discussed after Dany died that Jon was Rhaegar and Lyanna’s son, or is that going to stay a pseudo-secret?

    And there were a few more things like that, things that seemed SO significant at the time, but nothing ever happened with it. That’s the sort of stuff that annoys me.

    At least the vision from the House of the Undying was accurate.

  64. Vanessa says:

    I loved the series finale to me it’s was good one I thought the starks kids deserved to live and I think all the Starks are where their suppose to be . Maybe if we had a bit more episodes some of the plot holes would have been explained little better I don’t like when a series ended and they decided to kill all the characters to me it’s just laziness.

  65. Mabs A'Mabbin says:

    Wrong place lol.

  66. Patty says:

    I thought the ending was cheesy as all get it. The story was supposed to be about Jon and he’s been sidelined for the last three seasons; of course he’d get the bittersweet ending, while everyone else makes out likes bandits. And I’m sorry did The Iron Islands and Dorne just suddenly forget that they wanted independence? The only area granted independence is The North where shockingly enough, the new King’s sister resides. Tyrion in a position of power after all his fuck-ups? Bronn is The Master of Coin? Give me a break. I thought it was dreadful. Absolutely dreadful and very fanfic-ish.

    • DS9 says:

      The Iron Islands in particular wanted independence from the bullshit. At the end of the day they are a kingdom with ships but no arable land. And Yara swore fealty to Daenerys as one of the seven kingdoms.

      Everyone in Dorne who wanted independence is dead presumably. Ellaria went off the rails, remember?

      • Lady D says:

        She actually got chained to a rail to watch her daughter die. I wonder if she is still alive, or did they kill her after her daughter’s decomp was finished?

  67. JByrdKU says:

    How anyone thought this was an appropriate ending is beyond me. I can see an argument for this always being their vision, and they just rushed the last two years and messed up the delivery. Even then, I don’t know. I feel like the entire white walker threat was wasted, even if they did plan to kill him and there was nothing more than a simple ‘evil threat’. Either way, I do feel like it was a waste of time beyond season 5.

  68. Powermoonchrystal says:

    I encourage everyone to read an article recommended by Lainey on Scientificamerican, which basically summarizes why this season felt so weird and bad. Bu it also summarizes why people are having such a hard time with Dany’s arc. Kaiser’s point on Danny being Che is very good. If she had lived, she would be Castro, a recalcitrant old ahole who thought he was the only one who could rule his country and party, and justified his crimes, while behaving as all the tyrants before him. To quote the article, ” People then fit their internal narrative to align with their incentives, justifying and rationalizing their behavior along the way. (Thus the famous Upton Sinclair quip: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.”)”

  69. Rebecca says:

    I want a sequel in which Drogon takes Danarys to a red witch who brings her back to life. She should come back to kill Jon, Tyrion and Sansa. We need more episodes.

  70. Kelly Sunshine says:

    In that shot of Arya at the end, with her standing at the bow of the ship, I really wanted Gendry to come up and stand behind her…. such a hopeless romantic.

  71. Liz Simpson says:

    I absolutely thought it was up to date political,to me it screamed Power corrupts, white men decide, if you’re not with me then you’re against me, and then you’re destroyed, reputation or your life no longer matters etc
    I was comparing it to Trump’s America all the way through the last two episodes( and I’m not American) but it felt to me that it was written that way as an allegorical point of view on behalf of the show runners but especially George Martins. …he,no doubt, having a major say in the ending. It was too rushed but a lot of points hit home

  72. SallyS says:

    -Two the most prominent female characters in power in the series and the most powerful ones – Cersei and Daenerys – are in the end both evil queens.
    -Tyrion who killed his lover and father and advised Daenerys for several years in the end is made Hand to the King, while Jon Snow who killed Daenerys and like saved everyone is now back to NW and exiled.
    -Bran is the new King who has the most lousy council of advisors ever (Bronn as the Master of Coin?!).
    -Sansa got Northern Independence by nepotism through her brother.
    -Sansa is crowned Queen and is like totally alone (her brother Bran wasn’t their to witness her coronation, Arya wasn’t there, she left, and Jon was in NW). Not even Brienne was there.

    What a trash ending.

  73. SallyS says:

    The rating of this episode on imdb is 4.8, the rating of Season 8 on RT by the audience is 37%. The professional critics gave the final episode 48%. Something tells me D&D’s ego didn’t expect that.

  74. Nene says:

    I was so disappointed with the ending, Bran as King? Anybody else would have made sense. I was hoping that if they decided to place a wild card on the throne, it would be Gendry.
    Jon Snow deserved better, he came from being a bastard joining the watch… only to end in the same place. In my view he was the ultimate hero,( the most like Ned Stark out of all the stark children), maintained his principles and did what needed to be done, I think he should have had the iron throne (or at the very least retained King of the North)

  75. SallyS says:

    Also I can’t believe there were actually people who thought Jon Snow was in fact romantically in love with Sansa (???) and that they would marry in the end. And now they are pissed that Jon Snow wasn’t in love with her and they won’t marry. Like lol! I don’t get why those people imagined that!

    • Lily says:

      I was not a Jonsa shipper, but I think the show (and even aspects of the books) always had an interesting undercurrent between Jon and Sansa that was hard to describe.

      But I think mostly, Sophie Turner and Kit Harrington had tons and tons more chemistry than Kit and Emilia did.