I find most “lists” to be rather boring, and I treat the lists as what they are: filler gossip. It’s one thing to create a list based off of real data, like “richest” or “most financially successful movie stars” or whatever, but trying to quantify “social power” or “coolness” or “sexiest” is just an excuse to start an argument. Apparently, Tatler wants to start an argument. Tatler’s annual Social Power Index list has come out and keep in mind, this is a British magazine for British people. Tatler is on the higher end, obviously, and their aim is to cover not just the rich and famous, but the posh and titled. So… Rose Hanbury and her husband made the list. But Prince Harry and the Duchess of Sussex did not. It’s a weird list. In order, with Future Queen Kate and Future King William at the top:
Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
Idris Elba and Sabrina Dhowre
Joseph and Sabine Getty
Harper Beckham
The Hon Will and Lohralee Astor
Jamie Redknapp
Laura Kuenssberg – BBC Political Editor
Lord and Lady Bamford
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain and Perrie Edwards
The Marquess and Marchioness of Cholmondeley
I mean, Harper Beckham is on the list but not Meghan and Harry. LOL. And Harper Beckham is more powerful than Rose Hanbury and the Marquess? LMAO. And I’m sorry, but does anyone really care about Perrie Edwards and her footballer boyfriend? So, these are the most socially powerful people in the UK. Not Meghan and Harry, never them, because it’s not like British society, media and gossip culture has been in a full-fledged meltdown over Meghan and Harry for the past two years or anything. Oh well, at least the Cambridges made it to the top of at least one random list. With Rose and David included too.
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Note that the editor of Tatler is Kate’s college friend. This is the same Tatler that ran the Meghan hit piece recently.
I don’t think Kate is as innocent in the Meghan smear campaign as others seem to believe.
Note that Tatler is keeping the Rose story alive as much as anyone. I’ve been a subscriber for the last 8 yrs and have never seen so much coverage of her or her husband. Every month, every issue since the story broke, Rose is featured in Tatler.
Weaver, I agree. I think Kate has her finger in this. And I find it hilarious Meg is not on the list. What a bunch horse crap.
Some stories can be done from personal connections while others can be done because of viewership.
William made this rose story and people are interested by his aggressive attempt to shut it down. Along with the press having had enough of his threats to censor.
Rose has done at least one photo shoot for Tatler, so that’s probably one way they’re justifying the extra coverage.
Well, they’re all on different lists aren’t they depending on affiliations, interests, etc.
For instance, Meghan + Harry made Time’s top 20 most influential (globally) for 2018 and Meghan even came in at number 10. I think that’s a far more credible and substantial list than some insufferable, faux-posh magazine like Tatler.
Sadly, they have their noses so far up the Cambridge’s asses that this list is just not credible in any way.
Yep, I think you nailed it, Bella DuPont.
This.
This is getting lame. At this point I need whoever has the proof or photos (because we know something exists) to just leak them so everyone can just process and move on.
I don’t know if the tabloids are trying to set up good v. bad thing, but this ain’t it.
I do believe that there are other posh people and couples that know and have “proof” of this affair but they do not want to expose their things (being rich, having affairs, love children everywhere etc… are their hobbies).
I just hope that someone will finally go to the foreign press and start the good leaking that we need to tore apart Tatler and Co. It used to be a very posh guide to fashion and lifestyle but in the last decade they become extremely mysogenist, racist and boring. The list is not complete, the rich russian family and arabs who are based in London are being writting off by the future-king-and-queen-of-turnips? The posh circle are not in love with Kathe and the Middleton since day one. Come on!
Agree, this is getting tiresome.
So, so tiresome.
Yeah, I think some kind of proof might be out there, but whoever has it is being very cautious. Possibly wanting to hide/protect source(s) of said proof? I can only imagine the fall out if Rose herself showed/handed off evidence to someone in the media.
Well I dont think Meghan and Harry are running in British circles right now. Many of his childhood friends have fallen by the wayside. I think if it was international power they’d be on, but for British society I don’t think they’re in that scene. Not a diss, just an observation.
Harper is on there because she gets whatever she wants because of her parents. But by that logic so do Will and Charles. Without a title they’d never be listed.
I agree
Without a title, none of the royals and their spouses would be listed.
@Alice – But that’s the point: the titles. That’s why women want to marry those men. So they can have the titles, which confer status. Status confers social power. Meghan and Harry rank well below William and Kate in titles, even if they are technically on the same level (HRH). And everyone knows that in terms of titles, William and Kate are going nowhere but up. Meghan and Harry are going to stay were they are. He’s sixth in line; his brother is the next Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall, and then . . . and, William is going to be much richer than his brother through the revenues of the Duchy of Cornwall and then, when King, the Duchy of Lancaster. George, not Harry, is the future heir and the next Prince of Wales after William ascends.
That’s how British society has always worked. No one who is invested in those circles is under any illusions about who the long game is going to. Hence – top of list.
@violet, so if I understand correctly, William and his spouse rank higher than Meghan and her spouse. Got it.
George won’t have any social power until he’s an adult so conflating succession order and anything else is ridiculous when we are including children in the mix. It is also dumb that Harper Beckham is on this list. What is odd is that Harper Beckham is probably included because of social media likes, since she has no agency of her own as a minor, which again makes the exclusion of Harry and Meghan even more obvious because they have a strong social media profile.
No Market Street Minifig, William and Kate rank much much much much higher than Meghan and Harry. Get it straight!! Meghan and Harry are nobodies! They are nothing! They have no power and never will, while William and Kate have so much power they don’t even need to work to keep the goodwill of the people! Also, in case you weren’t aware, they’re going to be king and queen you know, and then Harry and his social climbing wife will be sorry!!!
And thus ends my sarcasm.
Realistically the only kind of power Meghan and Harry could acquire would be by social and charity work. And for Royals that is very limited as they must not cause any kind of political ruckus by accepting money from fishy sources and they must be bipartisan and more …
If you want to know about Harry’s and Meghan’s future then look at Prince Michael and his (still estranged?) wife Princess Michael aka Princess Pushy [her name, sic!]. Or look at the Duke of Kent. Or at the late Princess Margaret. Lowly charity and tiresome small talk and not many options. Holidays being the biggest incentive.
If Harry and Meghan wanted to go “international” à la Angie then beware: as soon as their charidee stuff gets in the way of politics they will be cut down. Angie has her own independent money and she needn’t stick to Rules of Political Engagement – unlike Harry and Meghan.
Totally agree, Eliza! Meghan does not run in Aristo circles. As seen with her babyshower she celebrated in NYC- with her friends. None Aristo people there.
She does not strike me as the person who enjoys hunting and does a full Polo season.
Harry seems to have distanced himself / outgrew this kind of set. I dont think they have much pull in british society.
International jet set might be very different.
harry is a polo player himself.
And international jet set likes polo because it is expensive and exclusive.
Harry couldn’t find an exciting woman in Britain because frankly he isn’t interesting except for his tricks and games and as a consequence he searched abroad.
And William got kate middleton only because he is the heir. Kate wouldn’t have bothered with No.2.
I don’t think they’re too present in the elite British circles either. I personally think it’s a good thing because we’ve all seen how proudly insular these people tend to be.
Harper Beckham is Posh Spice’s kid, right? Isn’t she…like…8?
I guess after they decided the eldest was a photographer, his siblings a singer and a model, this time they decided to go for a socialite? Very diverse….
Did they add her to be funny? It did make me laugh.
Yeah, I find it pretty hilarious that she’s listed, but not her siblings or her significantly more powerful and influential parents.
I thought the same thing. What kind of society social life does a first grader have?
Yeah, this list reads like some Tatler staffer’s idea of a hilarious joke. They were probably told that the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge must go at the top of the list and the Duke and Duchess of Sussex must not appear so then they just decided to take the Mickey with the rest. Let’s stick an eight-year-old child on there. Why not Jamie Redknapp, a man who was divorced by his popstar wife because he was too dull? etc.
That, or the editor there is not such good friends with the Duchess of Cambridge anymore at all…. this is not an aspirational list.
They had to put some dull people on the list in order to make the Cambridges shine in comparison. 😉 Never beat the king in any game. Or the 2nd heir apparent.
Also the Cambridges haven’t yet achieved their full potential power-wise and if you consider it from the perspective of potential then they do rank at the top. And the Sussex’ just don’t get anywhere close to that.
Kate runs nothing.
Funny you say this. There were stories a little bit back how Carole ran Kate’s household because Kate didn’t want to or want to learn. No kids at the time. Just shopping.
My hats off to those ladies, they had a plan saw it through.
This is a funny list. So the Chumleys are bummed if they don’t get an invite to any of Harper’s shindigs bc she’s more socially important than they are- the lowers on the list, or G forbid, those not fortunate enough to be list makers are clamoring for the time of the creme de la creme? I wish I could be a fly on the wall in the hoity toity homes of these fancy folk. What a hoot!! Socially important, lol. I bet tons of the fancy pants would want to be Meghan’s British bestie.
Rose will be super upset, probably irate enough to break some ancient china if she doesn’t get that invite to Harper’s tea party. As in a 7 year olds tea party with lukewarm water and dolls.
Harper had a tea party at Buckingham Palace. I bet it was the real thing.
Tatler is trolling. I would not want my name anywhere on this list. I think it’s more of an honor not to be mentioned at all by this gossip rag. Also, either people need to reveal the truth about William’s alleged affairs or just shut up about it. I’m tired of all the vague stories and deleted tweets.
You can tell the press really want to talk about it. That would sell papers but they want to obsess over Meghan and what she’s doing .
I think the British press is also annoyed by all the coverage that the international media’s been free to give to this story without having to dance around the allegations. Missed opportunity for extra clicks and money. I certainly don’t feel sorry for the royal reporters though.
Yes,the international press has been free to cover the alleged affair,and yet they have written nothing new..They have just rehashed what Sun and daily mail have already written.
This is actually a list of everyone H&B wants access to for an interview…. that is how I read it. The reference to the Chumley’s is minor trolling + keeping the gossip alive….
The “footballer boyfriend” is one of the few actually important people on the list.
As someone who lives in the UK and is a consumer of these fluff, air and nonsense magazines (mostly in the waiting room of dentists & nail spas), this list checks out. These are folks whose lifestyles are considered aspirational by the upper crust because of the social clout they wield and the lack of access into their inner circles. I wouldn’t say it’s flattering to be featured on this list, just how elusive and out of touch their lives are.
Harper Beckham, age 7, is considered aspirational? So glad to be in the US for once.
@HMC, aspirational but not in any literal sense though. The Tatler is a particularly weird little publication tbh. It has a strange, sort of ironic, self-deprecating kind of voice that’s hard to track because you never know if they’re being fully serious or not. I think some of the more serious people in the list, like the BBC Politics editor, Lord and Lady Bamford, etc are much more indicative of what they mean by socially powerful in a serious sense.
Perhaps putting Harper Beckham on that list is just one kind of a backhanded compliment?
Really, Kate runs something? I don’t know if I believe this. She might be prominent in the name and title, obviously, but she doesn’t strike me as some kind of social powerhouse that everyone pays close attention to.
We will see.
If she would send out invitations who would refuse them? being invited by the duchess of cambridge might be quite a draw.
No idea who he is, but surnames like “Oxlade-Chamberlain” are what I love most about the Brits!
I see some bitterness from Tatler. Them snubbing Meghan and Harry was what made people look at the list in the first place and it became about them in the headlines anyway. The desperation to make Kate and William into this charismatic, dynamic power couple is so obvious and neither of them don’t pull it off at all. They also include his alleged Mistress on the list too. Talk about trolling and embarrassing. Everytime I see lists or comments bigging up Kate and William, it’s seems fake and underhanded comments to put down Meghan and Harry.
True…but the bigging up of Kate and William seems to have the opposite effect. You’re able to see just how dull and uninspiring they really are. But for some Brits, I guess that’s ok.
The list is satire, right? Surely?
Agreed. It’s meant to be “ironic”.
lol wtf is a The Hon Will and Lohralee Astor
Great grandson of the American Nancy Astor.
Harry doesn’t run in those circles anymore and Meghan probably doesn’t know those people. Why would they be on this list? Their lack of placement on this list is not the surprising part it’s that Rose’s name keeps popping up more suddenly.
I love that picture of Will, Kate and Rose at some garden party. Every time I see it I try to imagine what each is thinking.
Will: Leave it alone, Kate. Don’t start anything . . .
Kate: My dress is prettier than hers.
Rose: Oh, God. They’re looking at me, aren’t they?
Also, I’m very curious if Rose ever regrets not fixing her hair that night. Those pictures have been used over and over, and she’s a frizzy mess with a Walgreens hair claw clip. She probably doesn’t usually care in the way rich American women need to be done up 24/7, but that might have been one night to bust out the flat iron, in highsight.
Particularly since Kate’s hair in those photos is beautiful.
LOL. Rose was born in those aristo circles. She doesn’t care what mere mortals think of her hair. She’s walking around like #wokeuplikethis #nofilter 😂
Lmao! Absolutely!
Lol!
Kaye….and David Chumley or whatever TF his names is, is looking up in the sky as if to say Nothing to see here……
Tatler are trolling us, its part of the Cambridge campaign to make themselves more important than the Sussex’s cause you know – THEY ARE THE FUTURE FUTURE KING AND FUTURE FUTURE QUEEN CONSORT, who are the most powerful and special snowflakes in the snow. I put it in caps because people seem to keep forgetting.
William and Kate have always been very impressed with the status, they want us to be too.
Agree. Only I would add, they are not just trolling us, they are also trolling the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge.
Make-up already, ladies!
There’s nothing between Kate and Meghan. This is between the boys. Oh, unless you mean Kate and Rose….
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!
Ree-donk-you-luss!
Lol…if that makes them fill better. Monarchies have no real power anymore anyway. I guess if you are going to be king with no real power sure. Its going to be interesting to see what William is going to be king of. I have a feeling a lot of the commonwealth countries aren’t going to be there. Hopefully by the time big willy sits on a throne brexit will be taken care of.
Then again harry and Meghan are trying things globally which in the long run is probably better for then.
Nah, monarchy’s may not openly have any real power but the Queen can still dissemble the government. Plus they probably have a lot of sway behind the scenes in terms of will they throw support behind a policy/stance or leak their displeasure. When they go on those tours, their probably is a it of discussion with prime ministers/politicians of that country. And just the fact that they have access to their Intelligence service files when there is no need for them shows they have more power than they should. Not sure how it works in the UK but generally in the US, not all of congress are automatically granted access to CIA files
The Queen hasn’t had the power to dissolve Parliament since 2011 with the Fixed-term Parliament act. Parliament can only be dissolved and a new general election called for with a 2/3rds approval vote.
This list is hilarious. Meghan and harry have connections with some powerful people globally who are way above any on that list. I think half the people on that list would give their left arm to spend an afternoon with someone like oprah or Obama. But whatever makes the cambridges feel better about themselves. 👍
My reaction was, “Social power with whom?” In the grand scheme of things, the British upper-crust is a small group. I think you’re right, overall H&M have more social power. I’m not knocking Kate at all, but I don’t think she’s got a huge amount of social power or influence.
And these “connections” are due to the royal status. Like William and Kate and their connections.
I don’t know most of the people on the list, but if Normal Bill and Keen Katie are at the top and a seven year old is #3, it sounds like a pretty dull list. If I were Harry and Meghan, I’d send a fruit basket to whoever put the list together.
Putting an 8 year old on the list made it a joke. Kate a social mover ? She’s three generations from the coal mines so the Turnip Toffs thinks she’s low born and always will, future queen or not.
And that’s another thing, they look down on the working class as if there’s something wrong with it. Twits! What was the Monthy Python skit, “British Upper Class Twit” competition, or something like that…
Meghan and Harry are probably breathing a sigh of relief to NOT be included on a list as stupid and trollish as that.
I’m guessing HM wouldn’t want to be included on a list with this group!
First of all, getting the important stuff out of the way–what the heck kind of name is Lohralee??? Like why?
The Tatler runs a lot of those soft focus pieces that are mostly just tongue-in-cheek trolling than anything else. I don’t think anyone seriously thinks that Harper Beckham is actually any type of socially powerful. It’s mostly just an excuse for whoever’s writing the article to sneak in a mention of their friends or whoever they went partying in Mustique/Ibiza/Verbier with that year.
That being said, I don’t think Meghan runs in too many of these aristocratic circles. To be fair, they haven’t exactly been the inviting sort. We know that they’re insular and closed off to outsiders, unless said outsider makes an big enough deal about how inadequate they are in comparison to the toffs. I doubt Meghan is willing to do this, so of course they’re put off by her. Hardly surprising.
So I looked up some of the other people in the top ten, and there’s some interesting background about a few of them:
– Lohralee Astor is a certified nutritional therapist who was born in Vancouver, BC. She’s also one of those “yummy mummy” types or whatever else, which makes me go “hmmm” after that story about William chatting up the mums at his kids’ school
– Lord and Lady Bamford are certified billionaires, and Lord Bamford is a Tory who donated a heck ton of money towards the Leave campaign. So that says a great deal about that I think.
Not a Kate fan, but I really wish that terrible photo of her could be retired.