Jeffrey Epstein arrested by federal agents in Manhattan, his bail hearing is today

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I have generally avoided covering news about Jeffrey Epstein, the toxic predator who has been embroiled in criminal cases and civil lawsuits for years now. Epstein was once a power player from New York to Miami, from England to Asia. He had high-profile friendships with the Duke of York, Bill Clinton and Donald Trump. He was rich and preyed on underage girls, whom he enslaved and passed around to his rich, powerful friends. For years, the Duke of York’s name has been entangled in Epstein’s ongoing legal drama, and one woman has already come forward to say that Epstein sexually trafficked her to his friends including Prince Andrew.

From 2005-08, Epstein was investigated by the FBI and a major case was being built against him when suddenly, the federal prosecutor agreed to a plea deal which gave Epstein immunity from federal charges, and the indictment was put under seal. The plea deal involved a bare-bones state charge of soliciting prostitution, and he agreed to allow all of the civil cases play out, meaning he likely settled out of court with many of his victims. I’m going through Epstein’s Wiki page right now for research and I totally forgot how shady it all was – Epstein clearly had friends in high places and/or Epstein had compromising information on any number of high-profile individuals, enough to get him a virtual get-out-of-jail-free card.

In the decade that followed Epstein’s sealed indictment and all of the sketchiness around the case, many wondered if Epstein was now untouchable for federal prosecutors, and people wondered if he would ever have to face real justice. Well maybe he will.

Around 5:30 p.m. Saturday, about a dozen federal agents broke down the door to Epstein’s Manhattan townhouse to execute search warrants, witnesses and sources said. Epstein, 66, is expected to be arraigned in federal court in New York on Monday on charges that he molested dozens of underage girls in New York and in Florida, the sources said. His arrest, first reported by the Daily Beast, comes nearly two weeks after the Justice Department announced that it would not throw out his 2008 non-prosecution agreement, even though a federal judge ruled it was illegal.

Rumors had been circulating for months that Epstein was under investigation on sex charges in the Southern District of New York. It’s not clear what instances those investigations involved, and the Herald had not been able to confirm the status of the New York probe. Sources said he was arrested by the FBI pursuant to a sealed indictment that will be unsealed on Monday. He is in custody in New York and a bail hearing is set for Monday.

“That bail hearing will be critical because if they grant him bail, he has enough money that he will disappear and they will never get him,’’ a source in New York told the Herald.

Last November, the Miami Herald published a series of stories, titled Perversion of Justice, that described the ways in which the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Florida, Alexander Acosta, worked in conjunction with Epstein’s lawyers to engineer the non-prosecution agreement — and keep it secret from Epstein’s victims, so they could not object. Acosta is now President Donald Trump’s secretary of labor.

Sources told the Herald that the indictment includes new victims and witnesses who spoke to authorities in New York over the past several months.

Epstein, who has homes in Manhattan, Palm Beach, New Mexico, Paris and in the U.S. Virgin Islands, sexually abused nearly three dozen girls, mostly 13-16 years old, at his Palm Beach mansion from 1999 to 2006, according to investigators. He used the girls to help recruit other young girls as part of an operation that ran similar to a pyramid scheme. He also had recruiters who helped with his appointments, scheduling as many as three or four girls a day, the FBI probe found.

[From Miami Herald]

You know what strikes me? The fact that a man like this won’t suddenly change once there’s a federal investigation. Does anyone really think that he stopped being a predator after 2008? Of course not. My point is that there are probably many new victims from the past decade. New victims who were not part of whatever shady f–king sweetheart immunity deal Epstein worked out with the federal prosecutor back in 2008. Also: Trump is involved in this, right?

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  1. Jenns says:

    Like almost everything these days, it looks bad from Trump and company, but nothing will come of it.

    • Oh No says:

      Not so sure. If NY goes after him at a state level, he won’t have that federal protection

      • Eliza says:

        @ ohno, I said the same thing when they were looking into Trump. Smaller characters end up paying for the biggies crimes. I’m not holding my breath this monster will get a serious punishment. I have no faith in our system anymore

      • Megan says:

        DOJ asserted white privilege when it refused to throw out a deal a judge determined to be illegal. I have very little faith that Epstein will ever be brought to justice.

    • Esmom says:

      I tend to agree. The only thing the deplorables on Twitter seem to care about is that Bill Clinton is allegedly involved. No matter that people are countering with “ok, if he’s involved he should face the same punishment as Trump and anyone else involved.”

      And according to them, Hillary is part of it, too, in between all the murders she committed. I don’t know how she hasn’t gone way off the grid for good yet with relentless garbage she has to continue to endure.

      • Apertivo says:

        I think two things can be true:
        - Hillary is in no way criminally involved
        - Hillary didn’t know absolutely nothing about this, i.e. she may have had some idea but not known the details about them being children

        Either way, she is as culpable as Melania, which is to say NOT AT ALL BECAUSE WE DON’T PUNISH WOMEN FOR THEIR HUSBAND’S CRIMES.

      • Erinn says:

        +1000 to both Esmom and Apertivo.

      • Mignionette says:

        Here’s the thing I want Clinton to be up for grabs because then that means that Trump is also up for grabs. Saving bill ultimately does not help the Dems. They need to let him face the music so that Trump is also in the firing line…

      • Kitten says:

        Yes agree with all of you.

      • Lorelei says:

        @Megan sadly I agree. I had an argument with my husband about this over the weekend — not about Epstein, but just about the fact that he still believes that the system will work, and I don’t. Our conversation was about what will happen after the election in 2020. I read a lot more news than my husband does, and I don’t think Donald is going anywhere regardless of the result of the election. My husband believes there are still enough good people in the government who will do the right thing; I’ve lost that faith completely over the past three years. I guess we’ll all see what happens.

      • Applejacks says:

        Berman’s press conference was a pretty strong showing. They mentioned quite a few times the FBI number for other victims to call AND said that while executing the search warrent on Epstein’s NY mansion they found photos of underage girls.

        This case isn’t going anywhere. We’ve all been let down a lot I know, but he’s not going to get bail and he’s going to jail for a long time.

      • Lorelei says:

        @Applejacks I agree that Epstein is probably done, but I don’t think that he will take Trump down with him, which is what a lot of people seem to be expecting. I’d love to be proven wrong.

      • Megan says:

        Either after he is re-elected or is a lame duck, trump will pardon him and all of the other deplorables.

      • Kebbie says:

        Trump can only pardon federal crimes, so hopefully New York goes after him

    • Zapp Brannigan says:

      Sadly I agree, not for political or power reasons but for the fact that life has told me time and time again people do not really care about abused women and children. An awful lot of people (that we would otherwise consider to be upstanding citizens that care) will think that the young girls trafficked and abused in this case were somehow complicit, that they are after fame or money.

      If a young woman comes forward at the time of abuse, it’s all “well this will ruin that man’s future”, if she comes forward years later she is told “well, it was so long ago, leave it in the past” and she stands in the balance between his future and his past with no worth of her own.

      TLDR: I am very tired of this $hit.

    • ByTheSea says:

      I’m still holding my breath that NY is doing god’s work and will charge him with everything when he leaves office. Hopefully, the next president won’t try to pardon him or exert pressure on the NY leadership on his behalf.

  2. Mia4s says:

    He’s involved, yes. And so is a list of names that could shake politics and Hollywood to their rotten cores. Hold on tight folks.

    Above all else, don’t let them hide. If you are uncomfortable reading the facts (understandable!) click the news links anyway so sites get the hits. Give them motivation to keep on this story. Keep light on this.

    • BrickyardUte says:

      Great advice. I have trouble reading the details but I can certainly agree with your points that giving this story legs can only help justice and the victims.

    • whatWHAT? says:

      Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

      THIRTEEN! FRIGGIN THIRTEEN YEAR OLD GIRLS! put him UNDER the f*cking jail.

      and anybody who was participating or involved. The British Royals, 45 and yes, Clinton too, if he’s guilty.

      • ADS says:

        “The British Royals…” Yes! But please let’s always name him; PRINCE ANDREW, the Duke of York. And Queen Elizabeth for the strings she has pulled to keep him shielded. It’s this kind of crap that highlights how toxic an damaging the hierarchy that the Monarchy represents is.

  3. aiobhan targaryen says:

    Yes, Dump is connected to this. There is a case from 2014 that outright said that he raped a 13 yr old girl with Epstein. How this got past the media I boggles my mind to this day. I honestly think a lot of people are going to be implicated in this mess. As you stated, he was a well connected pervert who has been around for a long time.

    I want to go on a rant about this but I wont becaue it has already been said multiple times in mutiple languages, but Dump winning never should have happened. The media did not do their job vetting this vile cretin. All of this was public knowledge about Dump but the media and pundits thought Hilary’s emails were more important than keeping a sexist, racist, rapist out of office. I will never forgive white people for this. I say white peope because black and brown journalists and politicians had this asshole clocked years ago and were pleading with white people to wake up. Yall didn’t listen or didn’t care enough.

    • Citresse says:

      It’s very offensive and wrong to make this a race problem. There are blacks who support Trump. Doesn’t Kanye West proudly wear a MAGA hat???

      • Esmom says:

        Citresse, siobhan t is not evoking a “race problem,” but actual facts. When you look at the numbers, white people, including 47% of white women, turned out for Trump. You sound like a troll.

      • aiobhan targaryen says:

        @Citresse I guess that train is never late. I don’t care if you or anyone else on this site is offended. Facts are facts. Obama never would have been elected if he placed ONE unwanted kiss on a white woman. They would have had him hunted down and strung up like a dog. Yet, you have 22 credible stories of assault, decades of proof that Dump is incompetant, cruel, and a criminal, yet so many people happily voted for the cretin or just sat back and let it happen because (inset whatever self-rightoeus bs nonsense here) The media let it all slide because a lot of them thought is was a bigger thing to go after the white woman who thought she was good enough to be the leader of this country. People’s attachment to white supremacy and white patriarchy is what got us here. It is on the left and the right. I could send you all the studies that prove it was never about economic anxiety but about race. Whites are afraid that they are going to be replaced by “THEM” so they will put any piece of trash in office who they think will keep them safe. The whites on the left sat they nasty asses home as well because they are privileged garbabge people who also benefit from racism. Whites on the left are more committed to not appearing racist than actually ending racism and white supremacy. They thought they could sit it out til the next one. Never once thinking about the black and other POC who they were fucking over.

        BTW: IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT RACE. The foundation of this country was founded on the backs of blacks and first nation people. Then Asians and any other groups that could not hide by changing their name or religion. Not my problem you are just waking up to this reality. The 15 blacks who supported Dump will never equal the milliions of whites who voted for him and the others who silently sit back and do nothing but benefit from his actions.

      • ByTheSea says:

        Aiobhan – Thank you for the facts. Straight up. No chaser. Whoever doesn’t see the race issues we have in this country (including the fact that is was founded on white supremacy and exists to perpetuate white supremacy) is part of the problem.

      • Citresse says:

        There are good and bad in every race, creed and color. And Purplehazeforever is correct. The media ignored it.

      • aiobhan targaryen says:

        Who is controlling the media? WHITE PEOPLE. WHITE PEOPLE run newsroooms in all forms: print, tv, and internet. This will always be at the feet of white people.

      • otaku fairy... says:

        Trump’s win and his continued support are definitely about race. Pointing that out doesn’t mean pretending that good and bad aren’t in every race.

      • Veronica S. says:

        You really need to stop pretending white America isn’t culpable for their actions if you ever want this country to progress. I am white. I have no problem admitting that white people are who predominantly voted for Trump and put him in office. I have no problem stating that white people are the source of most of the civil violence in America. We are the majority power, therefore we hold the major responsibility for what goes wrong here. Individual actions are not the same as large systemic trends. That’s a strawmen’s argument to suggest acknowledging racial power structures and their impact coincides with the erasure of human flaws and behaviors in minority populations.

        Don’t be that white person pretending it isn’t an issue. Whether you realize it or not, that is a tacit support of white supremacy, turning a blind eye to a very real problem in this country. That’s why non-whites cannot allow themselves to trust you or me. Because here we are in the year 2019, with literal concentration camps at our border, with immigrants and non-whites being demonized in political rhetoric, and people still want to pretend like race isn’t the issue here.

      • Megan says:

        Without white supremacy and the patriarchy, Trump and Epstein would have been carted off to jail years ago. Everything in our country advantages white people by design. It is naive to think everything isn’t about race because it is and has been since the Mayflower dropped anchor.

      • Sass says:

        Lol Citresse gtfo with your troll ass

      • Diplomanatee says:

        Wow, Veronica!!! I’m taking my hat off to you, giving you a standing ovation, and giving away tickets to this speech… which is my way of saying I will take the points you’ve mentioned and try to use them so we can all spread this message. Much respect to you!

    • Purplehazeforever says:

      Uh, excuse me, don’t make this a race issue. The media ignored this. No one covered it…at all. So full stop.

      • Alexis37 says:

        Trump’s election, his being in the WH at all, is ALL about a “race issue”.

      • Nanea says:

        Excuse me – but redistricting is a race issue first and foremost. Not all votes are created equal.

      • nic919 says:

        Did you need the media to tell you that a guy calling Mexicans rapists in his first campaign speech is not a suitable candidate for president? Come the eff on. He started his campaign as a open racist and that is what attracted many white people to him. He was being openly racist and sexist like white men were allowed to in the good ole days. His criminality was a bonus and his idiocy was there to see because the media covered what he actually said, which was horrific. The media did a poor job gathering all the details, but the broad strokes were obvious from day one.

      • Sass says:

        It’s still a race issue you dumb bimbo

    • EMF999 says:

      I agree with you 100%. This is a race issue.

      • Arpeggi says:

        If it wasn’t a race issue, they wouldn’t try so hard to add a citizenship question in the census. MAGA in itself is dogwhistling for racists.

    • Snowflake says:

      @A, agree with you 1000000000000000000%. I’m appalled sometimes at how easily some people let the n word fly or act like its nbd to say it. My stepfather’s brother said I toldBrian, if he’s still doing drugs, I’ll treat him like a n**ger. I about fell over. I confronted him about it and said, oh, i’m sorry, I have black friends from the military. I walked when he started saying that shit. I’m white, I agree w every word you’ve written. All of us white people have not acted in the face of racism. Shamefully. Including myself. Because we are afraid of confrontation or some other reason. But we all need to work on speaking out. Stop this vile shit.

      • fishface says:

        Agree, Snowflake. All white people are part of the problem because we’ve benefited from white privilege.

    • maisie says:

      IN 2007 Trump’s Secretary of Labour Acosta created a sweetheart deal for Epstein, dismissing sex trafficking charges AND SEALING THE RECORDS FOREVER. And then Trump made Acosta a member of his cabinet, in the position which oversees…wait for it…SEX TRAFFICKING. Yeah, Trump’s not involved in this AT ALL.

  4. Elkie says:

    Burn it all down, regardless of wealth, royal blood, influence or political affiliation, because all these monsters deserve to die in jail.

    But whilst I am thrilled that justice may finally be served to Epstein, there’s the depressing thought that even if there were irrefutable evidence that Trump is a kiddie-fiddler, I would not expect The GOP base to reject Trump, I would expect them to embrace the sexual abuse and trafficking of children.

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      Its been well known for years the Trump likes them young, stories that go back to when he owned the teenage version of the Miss USA pageant. I read a story that he used to make them line up in front on him where he would poke and prod them and told the ones he like to go visit him in his suite if they wanted to win.

      • Alexis37 says:

        Yes. Like most everything trump does, he’s done it right out in the open then gone on Howard Stern to brag about it. His life is a master class on how to get away with murder – just do it right out in the open.

      • Tourmaline says:

        Yes. Plus there are so, so many credible sexual assault allegations against Trump already (including a rape allegation that just came out a few weeks ago which has already faded into the background). Which have put not one dent in his popularity with his “base”. I don’t think these allegations will hurt him one bit.

      • whatWHAT? says:

        let’s not forget how he himself BRAGGED about busting into the teen pageant contestants’ dressing rooms.

      • Megan says:

        Trump supporters do not care what he does. He could have a sex dungeon filled with little girls and they would not care. Fox news has convinced them the only thing that matters is owning the libs. These people don’t care if they lose their jobs, their healthcare, school funding, etc. as long as they pi$$ed off the libs, they are good.

    • maisie says:

      The #GOP won’t do a thing because probably *they’re* in Epstein’s Little Black book. Came out today that Epstein has 3 passports (legit ones, that is; god only knows how many fake ones he has), 3 private planes, at least 3 homes in foreign countries AND he owns a private island in the Caribbean. Who here thinks he does a Roman Polanski, probably with help from “friends in high places” (Tr**p and as many “facilitators” he can find from the likes of Barr, Eric Prince, or his buddies in Saudi Arabia)? If Epstein isn’t remanded, he’ll disappear.

  5. aquarius64 says:

    It looks bad for Andrew and the BRF if he’s named.

    • Beach Dreams says:

      Yes, I’d like to see how the Queen tries to protect her favorite son this time. We know she’ll do anything she can to shield that piece of trash, and it’s one of the most damning aspects of her legacy.

      • Erinn says:

        I worry about her. I know it’s awful to shield him, but she’s an old lady at this point, and the stress of it isn’t going to be easy on her. Shame that her shittiest child is the favorite.

      • Applejacks says:

        I can’t imagine worrying about a women who help a child molester get away with it. She’s now an old lady who helped a nonce get away with it, and decades ago she was a younger lady who let him do it.

      • Megan says:

        My sense is the prosecution is focused on Epstein; however, if the Feds find physical proof that his customers had sex with underage women, it could get very ugly for the BRF. Of course the only prosecution Andrew will face in the court of public opinion, but it could be a very difficult blow for the BRF to recover from.

      • Moose says:

        I want to believe that Prince Andrew was just taken in by the billionaire lifestyle, private jets, private islands, unlimited champagne on demand, mixing with high-profile celebrities and politicians…. I hope to god he didn’t engage in sexual activity with underage girls, but if he did, heaven needs to help Harry, Meghan and Archie avoid those buses. If he did Andrew deserves everything that is coming to him, but it will be the death of his mother….

    • Ainsley7 says:

      It won’t matter. His diplomatic immunity is what saved him. The reason they dropped everything against him the first time was because he was a trade ambassador at the time. The UK forced him to step down shortly after as punishment. Unless he has done something new since his immunity was stripped (he’s only immune now when he is directly representing the Queen) nothing will happen to him.

      • Tourmaline says:

        I tend to agree. Nothing is going to happen to Andrew. He already pretty much rode the story out before when the pictures of him with Virginia, one of the young accusers, and Ghislaine Maxwell came out.

        Andrew’s ex-wife/permanent housemate Fergie was also in the Epstein mix. Andrew was photographed talking with Epstein on the streets of New York City after Epstein was freed from prison. Shortly thereafter Epstein gave Fergie 15 thousand pounds to help settle her perpetual debts. She has admitted all this and said it was an error in judgment. Meanwhile the Yorks cloak themselves as anti trafficking advocates, just recently Princess Eugenie was speaking at a forum about it. The family is rotten.

      • Mignionette says:

        Maybe it’s time for a little social media advocacy to get the anti-slavery-collective to reconsider Eugenie’s appointment.
        Whilst I am not a fan of children paying for the sins of their fathers (literally) unless Eugenie comes out in condemnation of her father she needs to be held to account, otherwise her efforts are a slap in the face to real survivors…

      • Yvette says:

        @Mignionette, yes, but this may be her way of attempting to atone for her father’s mistakes.

    • Tourmaline says:

      One thing I notice is that the UK press often points out the Andrew’s accuser, Virginia, was 17 and then the press will say that is below the age of consent in the US (18). Which is making me think the age of consent in the UK is 16? Not sure.

      Also can’t recall where Virginia said the Andrew incidents occurred–if in NY, London, Caribbean etc or a mix of places.

      • The Other Katherine says:

        Age of consent varies state by state in US. It’s 17 in NY. Age of consent in UK is 16 nationwide. (Andrew is still a skeeze regardless, don’t get me wrong.)

  6. fishface says:

    Moral dilemma: What if Epstein cops a plea deal for dishing dirt on Trump. Paedophile gets off but Potus gets nailed. Tough call.

    • Apertivo says:

      The SDNY would not have pursued it in this way if they planned on flipping him. And the SDNY, in the last two decades or so, has attempted to avoid dropping charges for those who cooperate for the obvious reason it makes the criminal seem like they have a reason to lie about their crime.

      • fishface says:

        Thanks for the clarification. Good to know. I hope he goes away for a long time. A veeerrrrryyyyy long time. Both of them, in fact.

  7. Bunny says:

    Two quotes come to mind:

    1. “I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.” Donald Trump, New York Magazine, 2002.

    I saw this in a tweet by Trump’s biographer, Tim O’Brien yesterday. Trump was complicit, and probably much worse.

    2. “This Epstein case is horrific and the young women deserve justice. It is quite likely that some of our faves are implicated but we must follow the facts and let the chips fall where they may – whether on Republicans or Democrats.” Christine Pelosi

    I saw this tweet yesterday, as well. Let them all pay for what they’ve done, on all sides. Justice demands no less.

    • Krakken says:

      Countdown to pardon talk by the sex-predator-in-chief at the whitehouse

      • ByTheSea says:

        NY needs to indict them all on state charges.

      • Applejacks says:

        ByTheSea – that’s not quite how jurisdiction works.

      • ByTheSea says:

        Applejacks-From what I read, a lot of the crimes (including the beginning stages of the trafficking) occurred in NY (before transporting the girls across state and international lines for prostitution purposes). If that is the case, NY absolutely has jurisdiction and authority to file state charges. Would you care to enlighten me on how “jurisdiction works” then?

      • Moneypenny says:

        Yes, he absolutely can be charged with NY state human trafficking crimes. They are finding activities that occurred in NY (I don’t know how much occurred there, but at least some did). Not just federal jurisdiction here. The charges may be slightly different (this is not my area of law at all) because they aren’t working under the framework of the federal statutes and not all counts may have occurred in NY.

  8. anniefannie says:

    A former prosecutor on Morning Joe noted that the feds videotaped search of Epstein’s home contained numerous redactions and the only reason for that would be to protect underage victims so in addition to busting him with numerous photos of underage girls they caught him w/actual victims in his home.
    My guess is there’s a lot of nervous powerful men, looking at you Prince Andrew👀

    • Applejacks says:

      This isn’t true. The part about victims in the house. He had plenty of photographs and digital material though, that’s accurate. Which will very much help in denying him bail.

      Morning Joe is gonna Morning Joe I guess – never really accurate.

  9. Jerusha says:

    Oh, yes, trump is involved. Read this. It’s disgusting. It’s from the testimony of Katie Johnson, 13 at the time the rapes happened.
    https://twitter.com/rischecaren/status/1148061636311130112?s=21

  10. Dorothy#1 says:

    I personally think the reason the southern district is going after Esptein is to GET info about trump. It’s a win win.

    • Megan says:

      At the end of the day, SDNY reports to Barr who has made it clear, he works for Trump, not the American people.

      • Applejacks says:

        Geoff Berman, a Trump appointee, is currently in charge of the SDNY, and he would have had to sign off on a lot of aspects of this. Berman’s clearly shown he’s not your usual useless Trump appointee and he’s clearly throwing some weight around. It’s a dare, basically – “Oh, you’re going to fire me for pursuing a paedophile? C’mon, try it.”.

      • Megan says:

        Trump has gotten away with every single thing. Of course he will fire someone for trying to prosecute a pedophile.

  11. Iknow says:

    Meghan and Harry better hold on tight. When Epstein’s sweetheart deal came to light and journalists started sniffing around, we got the multiple weekends of smearing Meghan from here to kingdom come. That initial smearing started the ball rolling for others to smear. Please correct me if I’m wrong, wasn’t the first story about Meghan wanting to wear the same tiara that Eugenie picked out?

    • Alexis37 says:

      I just feel like this story is so not about Meghan. Like, the victims of this story are so vast, and have been so harmed.

    • Mego says:

      Since the smearing of Meghan occurs on a daily basis it would be difficult to attribute any forthcoming smearing to shielding Andrew from Scandal. 🙄

    • Applejacks says:

      What? No, we’re going to get more Royal puff pieces, on all young royals, than ever as the BRF tries to distract.

      • (TheOG)@Jan90067 says:

        There will be lots of Cam kids pics, and surprise! announcements of Bea getting engaged and Eugenie pregnant soon. Watch this space in 3-2-1….

    • RuthyfromIt says:

      Unfortunately, yes, they will increase the racism press and start to write silly things about Kate, Eugenie and Co. Probably we are gonna see the kids in social media/summer events. I think they are in panic mode. Pedo Andrew is a mama boy and for the sake of their position, no BRF members will go after him, they will play along and dumb like the usual.
      Let’s if the sh*tstorm hit Fergie and how she will reacts. They are dozens of articles about great she is and how she will remarry the Pedo.

      • Applejacks says:

        Well, Epstein once “gave” Fergie 15k to settle her debts so it’s unlikely she’ll be able to keep her name completely out of this.
        That’s fact, but here’s some conjecture from me – I’ve been wondering for months what the actual BRF procedure might be if someone needed a quickie quiet wedding, perhaps to a previous spouse, for spousal privilege testimonial reasons…

      • RuthyfromIt says:

        I do believe that BRF is trying to create a Hype for Fergie’s comeback, so they will marry nearly in silence and use it later, if they are gonna be called in NY. I was quite surprise to see so many articles about how they are keen to get married since they never separated and blah,blah,blah. Once they will generate some interested they will use it to paint themselves as quiet middle age couple. Garbage people, all of them. Pedo Andrew didn’t hide himself, he is out in the open because everybody are protecting him. The Queen, the siblings and the FIRM. I hope Meghan/Harry will try to distance themselves somehow.

    • himmiefan says:

      You know, this would be a good time for H&M to sit back and let others get their hands dirty doing the heavy lifting. Parental leave would be a great excuse.

  12. Alexis37 says:

    I saw the reporter from the Miami Herald that did so much work on this, on MSNBC yesterday, and she said the most interesting thing. She said that in a court case she read, there is a quote from Epstein about wanting to work his “modeling” agency the way Trump had his set up. I mean, wow. Well, after that Mother Jones story on Trump’s modeling company, I thought it was pretty transparent that he is nothing but a human trafficker. It is so sad how little attention that story received. They put a human trafficker and child rapist in the WH, because of racism. You know it’s true. We all know it’s true. Whether it will ever be proved is another story. And if so, in whose lifetimes.

    • manda says:

      also because of sexism! Don’t forget how much women are hated

      • Surly Gale says:

        yes, it’s important to remember that racism and sexism ….. in other words, anyone who is not a white male….. can be used and abused for the white man’s entertainment….disgusting. We must fight to continue to educate women…it’s our ultimate, only defense. And we women needs must stand together, not allow their divisive tactics to win ~ white women need to step away from what they see as their ‘power’. (being adjacent to white men)…and step into the light of their own, female power. If all women united, we could beat back this tide of white worship. I hope, and I hope my hope is not in vain.

      • otaku fairy... says:

        “Don’t forget how much women are hated.” This. Never.

  13. MousyB says:

    Soo many powerful men are implicated in this (some we know like Clinton, Trump, Prince Andrew, Dershowitz, but also probably many we don’t know). I have such little faith in our justice system that anything will come of this but things are somewhat different now than they were a decade ago when this all came to light. I was surprised this story didnt make headlines much outside of celeb gossip circles back then (aside from that scathing Vanity Fair piece about him – highly recommend!!). The fact that I’m seeing it in mainstream news gives me some hope…

  14. adastraperaspera says:

    Facts: Epstein dropped out of college, and despite no qualifications he was given his first job by none other than the father of corrupt AG Bill Barr, headmaster at the Dalton private school in Manhattan. Epstein was allowed to teach physics, then from there mysteriously became so “talented” with investing that he was brought on at Bear Stearns, somehow generating millions for clients.

    Truth: Epstein is a pimp who has actually only ever had one job his whole life–procuring children for rich men who rape them. The “financial guru” thing is just a cover, though it undoubtedly helps thugs launder a ton of human trafficking and drug cash.

    • Esmom says:

      The Bill Barr connection is especially chilling. The filth and corruption in Trump’s administration is mind boggling.

      • Badrockandroll says:

        Yes, SDNY reports to Barr. But Barr was questioned about Epstein at his confirmation hearing by Ben Sasse, a Republican senator who often shows promise of a conscience, but too often balks and folds. Sasse talked about another potential conflict that Barr may have in dealing with Epstein, through a law firm that both Epstein and Barr were affiliated with in the 1970s. Wouldn’t it be too rich if Trump had another AG who had to recuse himself from a Trump-centric investigation?
        (I know, I know, but a girl can dream that in an election period even Republicans don’t want to appear to be going soft on pedophiles and child traffickers!)

      • (TheOG)@Jan90067 says:

        Barr had said during his hearings that he “might” have to recuse himself if something Epstein rolled his way, but don’t hold your breath.

      • PixiePaperdoll says:

        Keep dreaming, @Badrockandroll. They still supported Roy Moore.

      • Megan says:

        Ben Sasse voted to confirm Alex Acosta. He is all talk and no action.

    • Alexis37 says:

      ^^^^^^

      I think this is all true.

  15. Rapunzel says:

    Daily Fail is already bleating about how the prosecutor in Epstein’s case is James Comey’s daughter. Trump and Co are already preparing the “deep state conspiracy” defense. They’re shook.

    • me48 says:

      There is also video at a trump “rally” in June 2018 where a protester got in and held up a picture of trump and Epstein. Trump saw it and had a frightened look on his face.

    • holly hobby says:

      Prosecutors work in teams. I doubt she is the only one on this case. There is no conspiracy.

  16. SM says:

    Who else here is expecting a tweet “what about Hilary and her underground pedophilia ring?”. Also not to justify Ivanka and her dumbness in any way but Trump’s proximity to this makes one wonder, I mean, he was fine with bragging how sexy his daughter, whom he would date, is. This whole thing is just gross

    • Applejacks says:

      It’s really, really gross to speculate like that about Ivanka. (Or Bea, or Eugenie, or anyone else people are doing so about).

      • Kitten says:

        Yet still not as gross as Trump’s incessant objectification of his own daughter.

      • Jerusha says:

        What speculation? He’s said on live tv that he’d like to date her. And google-images-donald fondling ivanka. An avalanche of photos starting when she was seven or eight, up to the present.

      • Applejacks says:

        Of course it’s not??? Because that’s the disgusting behaviour of a monster?? And it’s gross to do anything like what a monster creep sex criminal does?

        Personally I like to hold myself at minimum, like, 100 ranks higher in morality than a paedo but that’s just me.

      • Kitten says:

        I can’t tell if you’re deliberately trying to miss the point this hard or what.

        You’re *actually* saying that a man who is friends with pedophiles, who is accused of raping a 13-year-old and has a history of making lewd and suggestive comments about HIS OWN DAUGHTER is somehow as morally repugnant as a person being concerned with that very fact?

        Yeah no, you’re wrong here. The OP never made any claims or assertions that Ivanka was molested, she simply said it’s something she wonders about, as do most of us. And sure, it would be AWESOME if we had a POTUS who didn’t make us wonder if he’s molested his own daughter but sadly, that’s not our reality.

      • oh-dear says:

        the then 13 year-old who describes Trump assaulting then raping her said that he told her she looked like his daughter, who was also 13 at the time. Trump IS the one who makes these references and connections.

    • Mo says:

      Interest that you bring that up. The first mentions of Pizzagate appeared less than 12 hours after news that a missing persons report fitting the facts in the disappearance of “Maria” from the Trump child rape lawsuit. The real “Maria” was even abducted from outside a pizza restaurant! Completely designed to deflect. Link to @ soychicka Twitter thread with the whole story

      Also, although Epstein is a billionaire, his bio doesn’t include the sorts of income streams and businesses that would support that sort of wealth. Filthy rich, yes. Billionaire, no. So there is undoubtedly a great deal of money laundering and other illegal businesses involved.

      Also, when Epstein was a “money manager,” his sole client was Les Wexner, founder and CEO of the Limited Company. So, if you buy from Victoria’s Secret, Bath & Body Works, Abercrombie, or the Limited, you are funneling money to these guys. Wexner split with Epstein, but only after he was convicted in the 2000s. There were many allegations before that, so Wexner has to be considered as implicated in all this. Epstein owes all his public facing business success to Wexner.

      • The Other Katherine says:

        It’s also far more money than can be attributed to human trafficking on the scale that witness testimony to date implicates Epstein in, even taking into account the deep pockets of his alleged clientele. He was clearly up to his eyeballs in rivers of dirty money, presumably laundering it.

  17. Joy says:

    I believe if the real truth comes out both the Trumps and Clintons will both be shamed and possibly indicted. Hillary has turned a blind eye on her best days, and participated in the gas lighting of her husband’s victims on her worst. Melania just stands there letting anything and everything happen as long as she gets to jeep9her gold toilets. Both of those men are foul creatures who need to be stopped.

  18. Ocho says:

    Yes, Trump is very ‘involved’. There was a federal lawsuit of rape, sexual abuse, forcible touching, assault, battery and false imprisonment against Trump and Epstein. Katie (who was 13 years old at the time) says she was forced to have sexual contact with Trump at four Epstein parties — parties she attended because she was told they would help her modeling career. During the fourth encounter, she claims Trump violently raped her, she pleaded for him to stop and he struck her. Then Epstein found out, became angry that Trump took her virginity rather than himself and proceeded to rape and beat her, according to her statement. She says one encounter included another girl ‘Maria’, aged 12 at the time. She says Trump threatened her if she told anyone. There are witness statements corroborating Katie’s account. One witness worked for Epstein — she admits to procuring Katie and says she witnessed Katie being forced to perform sexual acts. She says both Trump and Epstein were made aware of Katie’s age. Another witness was a childhood friend of Katie’s who says Katie told her what happened at the time. The lawsuit is available to read online (Doe v Trump and Epstein). Of all the horrible things he has potentially done, I hope this is fully investigated and justice served.

  19. Jerusha says:

    This is the Jane Doe rape complaint against trump.
    https://www.scribd.com/document/326057027/Amended-Complaint-Filed-9-30-2016

  20. tuille says:

    In addition to getting Epstein off the streets, not on “work release,” I want every nasty thing Trump, Clinton, Andrew, & any other villains exposed. I also want Acosta disbarred but that isn’t likely to happen.
    I wonder how Ivanka feels about Daddy’s bad deeds. Did she think she was the only object of his affections? Daddy & Ivanka may not have had the ultimate physical intimacy, but I’d bet my house that he’s patted her a$$, “consulted” in her before & after b00bs, and touched her in a lot of inappropriate ways. Any man who talks in public about his daughter, wanting to date her, etc, with said daughter being so “vital” (or at least inseparable from his WH business) has not kept his hands to himself.

    • (TheOG)@Jan90067 says:

      All you have to do is see all the pics of them together: he’s constantly touching her inappropriately, pulling her onto his lap (after she’s way too old to be there), kissing her… and NOT in a fatherly way. This girl (as much as I ABHOR her) was groomed to be this way.

      • whatWHAT? says:

        and those pics of her sitting on his lap as a 12-13 year old, CARESSING HIS FACE…!

        *SHUDDERS*

      • Jane says:

        If this is true, we should feel for Ivanka. Because what that means is that she was a victim of sexual abuse as a child. And when your abuser is the most powerful man on Earth, (he was powerful even before he became President), escape seems impossible. Especially he will not let you.

    • Jerusha says:

      A porn star and a Playboy Playmate both said trump compared them to ivanka before he screwed them.
      https://twitter.com/jimkilbane/status/1147874670898810881?s=21

    • Louisa says:

      The Ivanka connection to all if this is so disturbing. When Ivanka was a teenager, he was raping teen girls, when she was older he was having sex with women who he told reminded him of his daughter. It’s as though he knew he couldn’t actually have sex with Ivanka, so went for anyone who looked like her at the time.

    • Megan says:

      Ivanka believes all of these women are lying. She also believes she is the world’s biggest feminist. So delusion comes easily to her.

      • tuille says:

        What does this make Jared? He cannot be ignorant. Maybe he really is a very well put-together robot. Any signs of lobotomy scars? I cannot imagine how any husband could so closely associate & work with a man who takes such liberties with his wife, especially when it’s the wife’s father.

      • notasugarhere says:

        It makes him the same type of man as his father in law. This is a surprise to no one.

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      His inappropriate relationship with Ivanka is what I think is the big smoking gun the Russians have on him, yeah there is all the money he launders for them but this is what has him sh!t scared of Putin.

      Based on what’s been said previously, Dump likes them young and he likes to be violent with them. Ivanna accused him of violent marital rape in her divorce filing.

    • Betsy says:

      Daily Mail has a clip of the rich kids movie by Jamie Johnson and the clip featured Ivanka giving a tour of her childhood bedroom in Trump tower. Based on her demeanor in that video, there is no way that poor girl escaped assault by her father.

  21. MeghanNotMarkle says:

    I want to be excited about this but I have so little faith in our justice system after seeing so many big things fall flat in this administration.

  22. Jane says:

    One of the reasons the case was initially probably dropped was because of Bill Clinton and Andrews involvement. No matter what you think of the Royal family, it would have caused severe issues for the US-UK relations, if the son of the Queen was indicted. People think the Queen has no power, but the fact that it was dropped shows how powerful she is. But now we are in a different era. The US has a Russian spy as a President and the US probably doesn’t give a shit about protecting the Queen anymore. They have bigger issues at hand, like saving their country. The thinking is probably we will do anything to protect this nation and if charging Einstein means we get to Trump and Andrew gets thrown under the bus, then so be it. Save our own house first.

    • Polly says:

      Tbh indicting Andrew would be doing the UK a huge favour because people here really need to wake up and see just how corrupt and callous the monarchy truly is.

  23. Liz version 700 says:

    I hope he and every man or woman who helped or participated in young girls being raped gets dragged to jail. This man is pure evil

    • tuille says:

      Andrew certainly doesn’t deserve protection. If his mummy gets upset, that’s just too bad. The woman is 93, lives in a different country, and perhaps didn’t spend as much time with her kids teaching them values as she could have. Supposedly, she’s as down-to-earth as a queen could be but that doesn’t make her infallible. She could have handled her sister’s situation differently & I’m sure she chose to ignore her children’s sexual peccadillos until she couldn’t, with Charles. Edward is the only one who’s behaved discreetly and apparently respects his marriage. Mumsy was upset when he wanted to be an actor but she probably never confronted or chided Andy about anything. Anne is on #3 hubby now, isn’t she? At least 1 was a jumpoff.

      • STEPHANIE says:

        Anne has had two husbands. The United States and the uk divorce rates at at 50 percent. Why in God’s name should the brf be any different

      • Applejacks says:

        Ummmm are we judging people for getting divorced now? As a aspect of their moral character? I missed the time travel back to the 1950s. People don’t have to stay in marriages they don’t want to.

  24. Andrea says:

    I was wondering if this guy was ever going to pay for his horrific crimes. I figured he had friends in too high places to ever be prosecuted. I wonder now if BIG heads will roll now. I hope so. Anyone involved with sleeping with/raping underage girls needs to be arrested and jailed for a LONG time.

  25. Veronica S. says:

    If he actually winds up in jail, count me pleasantly surprised, but the rich are like slippery eels, escaping any hand of justice that attempts to grasp them. If they’re serious, start with the obvious: billionaires shouldn’t get bail. Then move on from there.

  26. JRenee says:

    I I honestly believe this ring reaches so far up and encompasses many power players, he gets a pass to protect the others. This guy is rumored to have an island mansion for shenanigans too.
    These guys have been doing this for decades.
    I wish I could believe they would be punished…

  27. Kathryn says:

    Yes Trump is connected but let’s not forget about the MANY other high profile people (some of the highest profile in the world) who are also connected and have been for many years.

  28. Digital Unicorn says:

    A question for those with US legal knowledge. Can AG Barr shut this down if and when Epstein starts singing? I know he has shut down a few other investigations steaming from Mueller in SDNYC. At some point Epstein, like Cohen, will implicate Trump.

    The Orange dump is crapping in his adult nappies, he’s tweeting like crazy about the sad little parade, how Fox news is Fake News and is now back to screaming about Mueller and the witch hunt.

    The Queen can’t protect her favourite son now, Chuck is in charge in all but name now and he will do what is needed to protect the Monarchy. Charles will not protect his brother.

  29. h3Rh1GHN3SS says:

    as we exist, humanity will prey on each other. how long will these things go on? why do certain people get permission to become rich untouchable sex trafficers linked to high profile men? with a secret co-hort of likeminded people benefitting, that’s how. its disgusting.

  30. Luna says:

    Can someone explain to me why this is what powerful men are eventually drawn to? Sexually abusing children? How deep does this run? I fully believe this is the “pee tape,” proof that DJT had sex with a minor.

    • Tate says:

      My only guess is that it is about more power. It is sick and disgusting but I think they get off on holding all the power and that is what they get when they sexually abuse children.

      Now I feel like I am going to lose my lunch. 😞

      • CatWomen says:

        These jaded creeps get off on innocence and what generally happens is the victim is ideally groomed. The people involved in this need to go to jail for a long time.

  31. minx says:

    Epstein is so revolting looking, that long rectangular head and face…ugh.

    • NightOwl says:

      … and his head is always oddly tilted one way or the other.

      • The Other Katherine says:

        It’s the cocky head-tilt of a man who believes, with considerable justification, that he can get away with murder. Sickening.

    • elle says:

      Like a combination of Frankenstein and Heat Meister.

  32. Franny says:

    Who needs Pizzagate when we have a former (Clinton) and current (Trump) president hanging around someone leading a child sex trafficking ring?

    Our culture and legal system find it easier to blame the victim, so Epstein and his friends thought they could get away with it in broad daylight.

    Only 9 in 1000 rapes are ever even referred to a prosecutor, and only half of those lead to convictions. Something has got to change. It’s almost impossible to prosecute rape even when the child is the victim and doctors testify that the abuse took place.

    Whoever was involved can all go down in flames, whether they are on the left or the right.

  33. Moose says:

    I’ve read all of these comments and what ahs been discussed has made me feel quite sick…. how can a 13 year old’s testimony, backed up by other girls, be dismissed? How has this been allowed to go on for soooooo long? How has Trump not been done for rape of a minor, but instead ended up as president? It’s unbelievable….. And yes, as a Brit, if Andrew is proven to have engaged in sexual activity with minors he deserves to be punished with all of the others…

    I really hope this prosecution sticks and all the sick bas***ds get what they deserve.

  34. Jerusha says:

    The Pedo had photographs on cds which he labelled for easy reference, according to today’s affidavit. .
    https://twitter.com/darehgregorian/status/1148267867059699713?s=21

  35. Alyse says:

    It’s not often that Trump is the least creepy man in a picture…

  36. Kyliegirl says:

    I have been waiting for Jeffrey Epstein to be arrested for years. Hoping his victims will finally receive justice. Most importantly, I hope law enforcement and journalists keep investigating. There is much more of this story to be told. There is a reason why Epstein was protected by his rich and powerful friends. The wagons are being circled. It is also very interesting the power the royal family has over the news outlets. The tabloids can report all kinds of things about Meghan and Kate and the comments are not moderated nor are cease and desist letters sent out. Recently stories about Prince William have been heavily moderated or not even reported on with many reporters acknowledging their hands being tied by their editors. The same thing is happening now reporting on Prince Andrew’s connection to Epstein. Crickets and comments are being moderated. Something tells me that lawyers are working 24/7 now to protect gross Prince Andrew. Where is the outrage now!?! How much are British taxpayers paying to protect him?

    • STEPHANIE says:

      Because my google works and yours does not it was reported on a lot in 2011 before William was even married, in the telegraph, guardian, daily mail etc etc. Andrew was even yelled about by an mp on the parliament floor a rare thing for a royal. Andrew lost certain positions but his mother gave him a vote of confidence which stopped everything else, and nothing happened in America till now. The uk press wants new news not water is wet

  37. Ellis says:

    Epstein has so much dirt on so many men at so many different levels of politics, all monied – nothing will come of this. We know this. His powerful perv friends began scrambling immediately to prevent the extensive prosecution he has rightly earned. Not one politician has decried this guy yet, and they’ve had all day. Clinton denounced his knowledge, which would be funny if it wasn’t. Investor my hind end. He’s made billions on the trillion dollar child porn industry, and pimping children. It’s been an open secret for many years, which means no one, except the victims, has cared for many years. There will be no heroes rising up in this tragedy.

  38. SJR says:

    Vile, disgusting, evil man.
    Justice for his victims is a must. How can any of us ever believe in the law if this POS continually gets away with these crimes?
    Life in prison with no parole.

    If this scum gets anything less, I hope people take to the streets in protest by the thousands. NYPD & Feds should be able to take him down just to save their own reputations. If he walks or buys his way out….the absolute level of corruption deserves to be burnt to the ground.

    Man, I am sick and tired of the ways in which the USA is going to hell in a handbasket.

  39. HeyThere! says:

    This story has lit a fire in me! I need justice for his CHILD victims!!!! I’m sick to my stomach.

  40. Lara says:

    Please keep in mind that this is completely unfounded idle speculation on my part:

    The intelligence community long speculated (known?) that Russia has compromising material on Trump. I honestly would not be surprised if Epstein were somehow involved – however tangentially – in the convoluted scheme. He seems the right kind of person to be approached by a Russian agent for his wealth, high profile political friends, and compromised morals. Looking briefly into his history of business transactions, there would have been plenty of opportunities to meet Russian oligarchs, especially through Trump’s business ventures.

    I am not saying that Russia would have sought this information with the presidency in mind. But Russian intelligence, especially manned by Putin, is very experienced and I am sure would not have hesitated to obtain any kind of kompromat, especially from a man so centrally located and so clearly corrupted by money. If I were an agent, it’s low hanging fruit. And a bonus that the man himself has secrets he needs to keep.

  41. Jerusha says:

    Oh, Kitty, you forgot to add What about Bill and But, Hillary’s emails and Where’s Barack HUSSAIN Obama’s birth certificate and Michelle is an angry Black woman and Comey’s daughter. But, I checked the wingnut sites and they’re taking up the slack for you.

    PS Nobody on the Left gives a 💩 if this catches Bill and they’re saying so.

  42. Franny says:

    Get your facts straight. Infowars isn’t real news. The FBI didn’t prosecute the case. Alex Acosta – who is currently in Trump’s cabinet – was leading the prosecutorial team in Miami. The deal was all Acosta.

  43. whatWHAT? says:

    Can anyone say “you kind of don’t know what you’re talking about”.

    Acosta, the fed prosecutor, gave him the deal. the deal SHUT DOWN the FBI investigation.

    Mueller had ZERO to do with Epstein getting that sweetheart deal. maybe you should STOP ignoring the facts to confirm your own biases.

    and Jerusha, EXACTLY!!!

  44. holly hobby says:

    Mueller does not handle local stuff. That is handled within the District. Try to learn about how the govt really works honey.

  45. Tiffany :) says:

    “stop picking sides and ignoring the facts simply to confirm your own biases.”

    Oh, the irony! Glad to see many other commenters called out your hypocrisy and lies.

  46. Jerusha says:

    If I sound defensive it’s because whataboutism is a favorite tactic of the right wing. I have not seen one single person on the Left suggesting that a Dem should skate if guilty, but I’ve seen plenty of the Right not condemning Epstein or trump because, Well, Bill did it , too.

  47. nic919 says:

    There would have been no sweet deal from Acosta had Mueller not done his job and investigated Epstein so that he could be charged. The FBI does not control the indictment process, but only does the investigation.