Maisie Williams shuts down the theory that Jon Snow ‘helped’ Arya kill the Night King

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Even though Game of Thrones is over and we all know that BRAN STARK had the best story – lmao – I guess the actors were still contractually obligated to show up for this year’s Comic Con to do something resembling a victory lap. The problem was that few people considered the final season a victory, and showrunners David Benioff and Dan Weiss were too chickensh-t to actually come to Comic Con and get yelled at for their sh-tty writing and condensed storylines. So the actors had to show up and defend Benioff and Weiss’s sh-tty work. Controversy ensued. Some stories from the GoT Comic Con panel:

Maisie Williams on whether anyone helped Arya kill the Night King. From THR: Williams also weighed in on the theory that Jon Snow encouraged Arya to kill the Night King by distracting the ice dragon. Where does Williams land on that theory? “She did that on her own. If we’re going to give credit to anyone, it’s Melisandre. She knew what she had to do to put the mission in Arya’s head. This is the first time Arya has fought and had something to lose in so long. If we’re going to put it to anyone for getting Arya’s head back on track, it was Melisandre and the ‘brown eyes, blue eyes, green eyes’ [prophecy].” I love that she said that.

Isaac Hempstead-Wright on whether Bran was secretly evil: “I think it’s quite cool that it’s slightly ambiguous. I’ve heard [theories] that Bran is the Night King, or whatever. Is he really a bad guy all along? That’s one of the cleverest things about the ending. It doesn’t conclude everything neatly. It’s left totally open. The kingdom is in total disarray, Arya’s starting her own journey, Sansa is queen, Bran is king, and they are storylines that could warrant their own spinoffs — but they don’t. They’re unfinished. It’s almost as if the world of Game of Thrones still exists in the ether. It’s quite nice that it’s not finished conclusively and it allows you to read into it — like the Evil Bran theory.” Bran is possibly evil, but he still does not have the best story.

Conleth Hill slams the backlash. Hill played Varys and Hill never seemed pleased with the sh-t that went down in the final season, but now he’s claiming the backlash was all media-created. He told the audience, “We’re very grateful for your fandom over the years and I think this is the reality rather than a media-led hate campaign.” It’s literally NOT media-led. Fans were incredibly disappointed and the media covered their disappointment.

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau was booed. Nikolaj called Jaime and Cersei Lannister’s deaths “great” and “perfect for that character’s ending,it made sense to me.” People booed him.

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  1. oliphant says:

    Nothing made me hate the Starks more than series 8. I went from rooting for them from series 1 to wishing Danerys had burned winterfell to the ground with all of them in it. and the prequel is going to be about the starks and the white walkers?! double ugh as we see how the white walker story ended up- that long winter lasted about one night, hmmm. Lamest end to a series ever, and I watched Lost back in the day!

    Don’t even get me started on Bran, the NK died a hero trying to kill that useless turd.

    • Char says:

      Daenerys should’ve burned Jon Snow the moment he came up with that stupid plan that cost her Viserion.

      • oliphant says:

        YES! I’m still really salty about that- losing a dragon to save his dumb ass and then he murders her- because her arc (and cersei’s) ended up in BITCHEZ BE CRAZY. ugh.

      • SKF says:

        That was Tyrion’s plan and was obviously the result of the show runners condensing storylines and timelines like crazy in order to get everyone where they wanted them and to get the Night King a dragon without going into other storylines GRRM has cooking.

    • Maria says:

      I honestly only watched the last few episodes for Daenerys. I was looking at my watch waiting for the clock to run out after she died, actively bored. And unmoved.

      The Starks were horrible in the last season and I couldn’t stand what ungrateful, spoiled, sniveling little brats they were.

      • oliphant says:

        same- i felt nothing really, other than irritated that drogon melted the throne and not Jon. takes some terrible writing to make you feel meh when one of the main characters is murdered at their moment of triumph.

        I’d love for any spin offs to have the Starks ousted and a new family in Winterfell but i doubt it- they were always the heroes of the piece despite the oft touted ridiculous insistence on SUBVERTING EXPECTATIONS but in actuality creating ‘happy’ endings for the Starks and no-one else. if you’d told me at the beginning of series 1 I’d be so salty at the Starks being the ‘winners’ I’d have been shocked.

    • Nicole R says:

      I’ve never agreed more w a comment, especially the last part!

    • Veronica S. says:

      I honestly don’t know how anybody can think of that as a bittersweet ending. It’s straight up Fridge Horror that destroys any heroic qualities the Starks had to me. The kingdoms still winds up under the rule of a tyrant who allowed female revolutionaries to do his dirty work (and then put none on their council), predicted the deaths of thousands of innocents and did nothing to stop it, then took advantage of the political chaos after she died to take over. You think Daenerys and her dragons were scary? Imagine a guy who’s lived in a cave with no political experience who laughs at the idea of democracy taking over who has the ability to see the future and can literally warg people. That’s the stuff of nightmares.

      Also LOLOLOL @ the thought that Yara Greyjoy and those of the other kingdoms loyal to Daenerys tolerating Westeros getting special treatment under Bran compared to them. (Interesting how Sansa didn’t want Westeros at anybody’s mercy, but is fine being subject to her brother, yeah? I told her, she’s the Woman Who Toes the Line For Men because they’re the only ones teaching her valuable lessons – like rape humbling!) I give it 2-3 years max before a major rebellion turned civil war is underway. It’s like the writers have never opened a history or political science book in their life and expected the rest of us to self-lobotomize to tolerate that kind of dumbass storytelling.

      • entine says:

        there was a woman in the council, Brienne. There were no other women left in this tv show that would stay in the council, IMO. Aria had to go, although I’d loved to see her as a kind of soldier-teacher like Syrio in westeros , Sansa had to be queen, the other branches with powerful ladies died out -in the show-. I hope in the books there are more to choose from,but remember this is NOT a politically correct story. Not at all even in the books. There were and are powerful women,the women drive the story forward, but in reality, medieval times were unkind and unfair to females in general. I understand that, and taketh books and the show for what it was, they were not to be made an example. At the beginning was criticised for violence and nudity, it was good because of the book story-telling that was based on, and still it was’t an example of correctness. I still liked it even if the ending was kind of ruined.

      • Veronica S. says:

        There’s one woman on the council, Brienne, whose primary role at the end was to erase the reality of who Jaime Lannister was and whitewash his history, all while being a woman who eschews typical femininity to embrace masculine norms. In GoT land, women either get to be good hearted tomboys or Cersei-lite, I guess.

        No story has a requirement to be political correct, but all stories are subject to critiques as far as the implications of their narrative choices. Stories don’t write themselves. People write stories. They direct their characters to behave in certain ways. It was a choice of the writers to have Sansa say rape made her a stronger person. It was a choice to have Daenery’s story end in a cliche about women being corrupt and unstable in positions of power. It was a choice to have Cersei go down crying and submissive rather than wickedly clever and defiant as she was the rest of the series. It was a choice to have Daenerys’s retaliation against the men who raped and abused her be considered signs of her madness and evil, while Tyrion strangles the woman who betrayed him, kills his own father, and still gets to be hailed as a sensible hero at the end. Daenerys and Cersei go down as the evil queens while Jaime Lannister attempts to murder a child, remains complicit in his sister’s actions for most of the story, then gets to have his legacy rewritten by his one time lover. It was choice to kill off the only WOC in the cast and then have her legacy be GODDAMN SLAVE COLLAR. It was a choice to spend seasons talking about “breaking the wheel” only to kill off most of the non-white cast and mock the entire idea of democratic revolution at the end. And you can try to justify those choices all you want, but they’re there. They made them. They get to eat the criticism for making them.

      • oliphant says:

        You’ve put it way better than i could Veronica S! this is fiction/ drama, it’s not supposed to be medieval history, and everything that happened in the show was a deliberate choice. I’ve heard a few people defending the woeful treatment and lack of POCs in GoT as ‘there weren’t any around in medieval Europe where GRRM took his inspiration ‘ (wrong). Well, there weren’t any dragons back then but they’re flapping about in the show and books.

      • entine says:

        I just don’t care that much. This show was not a beacon of virtue, nor was set in a woke era, it was cool, tho. I want to rewatch the earlier seasons because I do like the male and female (especially the latter) characters’ stories back then. The rushed end was bad, and I expect to read the books ending maybe sometime during the next decade.

    • petee says:

      Totally agree.I got a huge chuckle when you made the comment about Bran.He was a useless turd.

    • weezle says:

      I don’t know…did you ever watch “Dexter”? That ending to a stellar show was the biggest let down so far.

  2. Jenns says:

    If there is one thing I want to know about S8, it’s who decided that Jon would yell at that dragon. Because that is one of the dumbest scenes in the entire series. Imagine all the things you could have Jon do, and that’s what you come up with. I don’t think D&D challenge each other creatively at all in the writer’s room, so I could see one of them coming up with that idea, and the other one nodding their head while writing it down.

  3. Char says:

    I think the actors were kind of helpless here, cause they can’t publicly say “I hate what they did to my character”. But the fact Emilia Clarke didn’t show it’s a huge fuck you.

  4. aiobhan targaryen says:

    This isn’t the first time those hacks let the actors take the fall for their bull shit.

    When Cersei was raped by Jaime and when Sansa was raped by Ramsey. Actually, it was more than those two times. Each time the actors where asked about the level of violence and nudity on the show. Those two chuckle heads conveniently never got asked those questions. If we ever found out anything it was because of the tall sexist one rambling out the truth during one of those interviews they did after the show aired.

    I am glad Conleth confirmed that Varys was actually trying to poison Dany. His character definitely got what was coming to him for trying to kill her.

    I honestly don’t have a strong opinion on Arya killng the night king. I guess I am fine with it, but I can see some of the dudebros’ and brodettes’ points about Jon getting to kill him. I just don’t care enough about either character to form a strong opinion on it either way.

    I won’t be watching the prequel with the Starks because those racist and xenophobic hillbillies suck ass. I will be watching the prequel with all the black people on it though. If what I read is true, one of them is half Targ and rides a dragon. That is all I need to watch that show.

    • oliphant says:

      hopefully the prequel will have different show runners than those misogynistic idiots, less rape and more representation. I like the sound of this half Targ dragon rider!

      I’m just hoping the amazon lord of the rings show will be good- so much material there! and hopefully they’ll learn lessons from the ending of GoT- don’t butcher your character’s story arcs in the space of a few hours. and this whole Targaryen madness nonsense- erm Arya baked people in a pie and fed them to their father- but that’s okay because she’s a stark, violence and murder is only bad if you’re Danerys. ROLLS EYES HARD.

      • Maria says:

        It really infuriated me how the women just ended up being there to prop up the men with the only exceptions of Sansa and Arya.
        Brienne for some reason became Kingsguard to Bran instead of Queensguard to Sansa, so she could go and write that ridiculous passage for Jaime propping him up–that was her arc? to redeem him posthumously?? After everything? Unbelievable.
        Daenerys got fridged to make Jon look like a hero.
        Yara was just ignored.
        Melisandre’s backstory was not explored at all.
        They even did Cersei dirty, she had no nuance, no scenes, no nothing, and her death was ridiculous.
        Missandei was just a plot device to make Daenerys go crazy with all the men disapproving.
        It just sucked.

      • aiobhan targaryen says:

        As far as I can tell, they are not attached to any of the prequels. They have their plates full ruining Star Wars and that racist Confederate show that HBO is producing. There are no updates on Confederate but my black radar senses that this show is still going to be funded and made.

        “don’t butcher your character’s story arcs in the space of a few hours. and this whole Targaryen madness nonsense- erm Arya baked people in a pie and fed them to their father- but that’s okay because she’s a stark, violence and murder is only bad if you’re Danerys. ROLLS EYES HARD.”

        Thank you!!! Reading people justify why Arya is perfectly fine and normal but Dany is terrible when they both use violence is getting beyond tedious.

      • Veronica S. says:

        I actually think Sansa is the worst of the lot because her use as a prop is portrayed as something liberating. She nearly gets her sister killed in S7 because she allows Littlefinger to manipulate the two of them, then magically is meant to be trusted as a brilliant political mind in S8. Then they have her say men raping her is what made her grow up and get serious. Even ignoring how f*cking repulsive that sentiment is, apparently we’re to assume she learned nothing from any of the powerful, crafty women around her – just the men! Then she ends as queen of the North….though only in the sense that a man allowed and allows her to have that power. She doesn’t earn it herself. She, in fact, turns on the brother and female revolutionary who helped maintain Westeros as a kingdom against the NK.

        Yara Greyjoy? Wouldn’t be tolerating any of that shit. Her loyalty was to Daenerys, and she certainly isn’t the type to sit by while Westeros gets special treatment. I guarantee you that she’d have a rebellion up and running against Bran soon after she regrouped. The other kingdoms probably wouldn’t be long to follow suit.

  5. Cidy says:

    I feel really bad for the actors. I actually enjoyed season 8 **ducks from thrown tomatoes** sure there were some stumbles but how tf did everyone expect them to wrap up that entire show in one season? I think they did the best they could.

    I dont think that Dany was ever meant to sit on the Iron Throne. As for her burning KL.. she had been saying she was going to do it the entire time, she was going “take what she wants with fire and blood” she continued to show signs of “Targaryen Maddness” all those things started from the jump so when she actually did it and everyone wandered around with their jaws hanging open I was a little baffled.

    I liked Arya and Sansa’s ending. I dont think the Stark’s deserve to get smeared for wanting control over the North and I dont think the Northern folk should be judged for being wary of southern people.

    To Boo the actors for supporting their characters (especially Jaime who went through so many major transformations) who they probably love and have a connection with is so disrespectful. They made their peace with their ending, we need to do the same.

    • Annabel says:

      I really liked season 8 too! I thought I was the only one. 🙂 I agree with everything you said here… I don’t quite understand why anyone was shocked by the Mad Queen twist either, given that it was telegraphed for multiple seasons.

    • DS9 says:

      All this.

      I’m so tired of a vocal percentage of fans. The temper tantrums were old during the season, their old now.

      The only way I’m changing my opinion is if GRRM comes out with a grand plan and declares D&D had it all along.

      It’s GRRM who screwed the pooch here.


      And I’m irritating that some fans have taken a thing many of us have enjoyed reading about and immersing ourselves in and have dedicated their lives to crying about it all over the damned internet.

    • aiobhan targaryen says:

      Targaryen Madness is not a thing. None of the characters on the show have even a hint of understanding of psychology and are pulling things out of their ass. The reason why Arys went mad was not because he was a Targaryen but because he was kidnapped and tortured for 6 months and then did not get treatment for what he endured. Not to say that treatment is a curall but it would have helped him. It did not help that he was a King and allowed to get away with every evil act up until he threatened to blow up the whole city.

      Fire and Blood is her house motto. No different than the Lannisters or House Dog. How did you think she was going to take back her home? Ask her brother to give it to her, or ask them nicely to let her come back to the home that her mother and brother were run out of. Did this work for the Starks? No, that is not how the Starks got their raggedy home back. They got it back by fighting the Ramseys and winning. This should be no different for Dany.

      There is no excuse for the racism and xenophobia that those brats exhibited towards the Dothraki and the Unsullied. None. They were all up there to help those unwashed assholes and they deserved to be treated with respect. It was not given. What Queen of the Unwashed legs and her equally dirty brother and sister were doing was more than just being “wary” of “southern” people. Go back and watch those scenes. They were deliberately isolating the brown people from everyone else. Never speaking to the brown people or even acknowledging their existence. Also, Queen of the unwashed legs didn’t seem to have a problem with southern people after she became queen. She has said in the past that the males in her family don’t do well in the south, yet doesn’t have a problem with her brother being King, in the south?

      The Stark kids also threw Jon’s bitch ass under the bus. Sansa betrayed Jon for a weak crown that her brother allowed her to have. She didn’t fight for that crown like Dany fought for hers. She got it by betraying her cousin and her brother did the rest for her. Jon deserved to get thrown under the bus for betraying the Targaryens though. Even in the end, before he killed her, Dany wanted him by her side. He got what he deserved.

      • oliphant says:

        Their reception of the Dothraki and Unsullied was gross- i’d forgotten about that horrendous confederate show you mentioned above aiobhan – little bit of D&D’S racist fan fiction there-I’m sure they actively wanted this tone in these scenes. I really hope that confederate show has been cancelled.

        And of course they sent the dothraki out first in that useless charge against the wights! I could not believe it when i saw that scene- basically South Park’s ‘operation human shield’. I’m surprised they didn’t have grey worm up there with missendai for a little double execution-Greyworm as the only POC main character left alive at the end is gross. Of course the implication is that greyworm and his armies were to be murdered by butterflies or something. SMDH.

      • himmiefan says:

        Being the fierce warriors that they were, I don’t think the Dothraki would want to be anything but the first to engage the enemy. Their being such great warriors is what made it so shocking when their torches went out and there was nothing but silence. No one expected the Dothraki to be totally defeated.

  6. Original T.C. says:

    I wish fans would let it go. They are still seeking the complexity, grayness and 3-dimensional writing of GRRM from D&D. They have to come to the reality that D&D are two hacks who lack creativity, signed up only to be *translators* of GRRM’s work and not to come up with original material. They got bored and wanted to move on. They decided to wrap up the storylines as quickly and efficiently as possible with no thoughts to continuity, nuance or complexity. This will all come out eventually.

    They will hide like cowards from the fans, giving only interviews to “friendly” journalists. Then re-emerge when they are done with their Star Wars movie, hype it up then hide again when the Star Wars fans realize they are hacks! Because White males in Hollywood fail up.

    • Cidy says:

      I agree 100% with what you said here. It’s time to let it go.

    • Maria says:

      Unfortunately this ending was so choppy, rushed, and unnuanced compared to even previous seasons that it’s ruined the series in totality for me. I doubt I’ll read The Winds of Winter if it ever comes out. I won’t rewatch. And won’t recommend.

    • Veronica S. says:

      I agree it’s pointless to go after the actors, and I’ve no idea why people thinking booing them is even remotely fair. They’re not the ones who screwed the pooch on this and did the best they could with the material they had. This being said, I am also petty AF because I’m a SW fan and now have to deal with them making things even worse than Rian Johnson did, so I have no problem saying “THESE TWO ARE HACKS” in any thread where it comes up lol.

  7. Lucy says:

    Some people, I swear to God. What do they want the actors to say? Do they really expect them to publicly trash the creators of a show who gave them all jobs for over ten years? If this looks bad for anyone, it should be for D&D. As in, the showrunners. As in, the people who made all the decisions and called all the shots. As in, not the actors.

  8. eto says:

    Eh, I heard one person boo in the crowd. And another shout a comment. Pretty tame imo.

  9. DS9 says:

    Also, I feel badly for everyone who didn’t realize until season 8 that this was 100% a Stark story.

    You played yourselves.

    • oliphant says:

      LOL I’ll have to rewatch series 1 and ned being executed to make myself feel better 🙂

    • ReginaGeorge says:

      It was always about the Starks, and one of the last book was tentatively called a “A Time for Wolves” until I guess GRRM realized that would give away the ending.

      It also boggles my mind that people were so shocked that Dany did what she had been threatening to do since S1 which was to burn everything down. She was always a hothead who needed to be checked.. Her final speech was the exact same speech Drogo gave when he promised to take the Iron Throne for her, which was always her goal and only colonized/conquered parts of Essos in order to amass her army of you wanna keep it real. She had noble intentions at first, but the more power she acquired, the more arrogant and ruthless she got. I still don’t see her as mad. I see her as I’ve always seen her. Someone with the potential to become a villain if she didn’t get her way and lost the people around her who reigned her in.

      • DS9 says:

        It bothers me tremendously to hear so many people easily accept Daenerys as a hero to brown folks as well as ignore the history of the Starks as a people with a series of abusive overlords.

        Calling the northerners racist is a lazy interpretation of the facts we were given.

        The only think Missandei owned after following Daenerys around was her old slave collar…. That’s not freedom. It’s colonialism.

      • entine says:

        I agree. And Missandei would’ve thrown that collar to the fire or trash at the first opportunity back when she became free.

      • Becks1 says:

        Now this I agree with. Maybe they overplayed the “madness” card. But I like how you put it – she had the potential to become a villain if she didn’t get her way. That was always her character.

      • aiobhan says:

        @ds9 It is become more than tedious now that people like you say you give a damn about the brown people in the story, but then turn around and prove you didn’t mean what you said. it is also tedious reading people defending slavers and rapists because said slavers and rapist are brown. The people that Dany killed were slave masters and child torturers. the atrocities they committed are no less horrible because those slavers and child torturers are brown. It was not a cultural misunderstanding. We all know slavery when we see it. there was no misinterpretation when the slaves and slaveowners agreed it was slavery. While the crowd surfing scene was a stupid and white thing to have done, it does not override the good that she did in helping those people become free. I would have expanded the roles for the brown people myself, but Dany was not morally in the wrong for helping those brown people.

        the Starks are not the heroes you are trying to make them out to be. going all the way back to Bran the builder and why he built that wall in the first place up until the current time on the show. The Starks benefitted mightily with the Targs in power.

        the only thing lazy is your interpretation of the northerners behavior. it is classic racist behavior. Fact: brown people along with Dany went up to Winterfell to help those dirty Northerners with the NK. FACT: during their time up there those same brown people you claim you give a shit about were isolated and ostracized for no reason. Just because they were not called n–grs does not mean they weren’t treated like n–gers. And if you say you are a person of color and still don’t see a problem with how those northerners were treating the Dothraki and the Unsullied.. well I got a story to tell you.

        you painting the brown people who chose to follow dany as feebleminded and weak zombies who could not possibly understand what Dany was trying to do… is also a choice.

      • DS9 says:

        People like me?

        People like who exactly?

        Maybe a biracial women who isn’t here for white savior barbie who only “liberated” those who could advance her cause and who had no other options?

        Of course the masters were evil, of course slavery is wrong. But what did Daenerys do besides bring her armies across the sea to hell her invade lands to which they had no claim?

        It would be like Lincoln freeing the slaves but then taking them to Ireland to kick out the British and then expect the Irish to be damned grateful for his rule. And in that little analogy, Lincoln would have been the child of the king who killed the rightful Irish ruler.

        You’re coming dangerously close to implying I must not be black if I disagree with your assessment. I really hope that’s not what you were getting at.

      • Maria says:

        I mean she was always up front about how the reason she took those cities was to help the people take their freedom rather than just invade solely based on her own opinion.
        White savior trope is present but more in the portrayal of how “grateful” everyone is.
        Lincoln didn’t have three hundred years of family lore and dragon mythology to build upon when considering his right to come to the aid of a region that asked for his help..?
        Jon asked her to help, she came and did so. Her being upset that they weren’t grateful or respectful had more to do with that, I think. And she’s right, Sansa was very quick to write off any losses Daenerys’s forces had with rapidity–why is Daenerys terribly evil for bringing her troops to help, but Sansa isn’t evil for taking their sacrifice for granted?
        There’s no excuse for the way the Northerners acted.

      • DS9 says:

        Also, the Dothraki were slavers and rapists too. That’s the whole reason Drogo is dead.

        You also cannot separate Daenerys’s help from her intent to conquer.

        The northerners could have behaved better but I’m hard pressed to say they were wrong for mistrusting Targaryen rule or the Dothraki horde she brought with her. And the way the Unsullied proceeded to kill indescriminently shows their fears were not unfounded.

      • Maria says:

        The Northerners killed indiscriminately along with the Unsullied too, during the massacre of King’s Landing. They also attacked and raped.

        The Dothraki were indeed slavers and rapists, something that Daenerys challenged and would not allow (another part of the reason Drogo died, from infection during the wound he incurred in defending her when she stated she would not allow his bloodriders to rape and enslave, although Mirri Maz Dur of course had a good point herself – I believe Daenerys’s punishment of her was tied more to her killing Drogo and Daenerys wanting to prove her willingness to protect her horde at that point than in retaliation for anything Mirri Maz Dur said to her about her misguided intentions). She also would not allow the Ironborn to continue these ways either.

        In a story about absolute rulers, I can’t say I blame her for her intent to conquer a particularly cruel and bloodthirsty region to do away with its worst habits. And she didn’t stay. She left, ensuring Daario would stay to keep the peace to “help the people choose their own leaders” (direct quote from her).

        If Daenerys had come purely to conquer, which she would have in time, I admit, the Northerners would have had justification to be wary. But in this instance, their King asked her to come to help fight the Night King Army – she took her focus away from Cersei in order to do this, and she brought every man she could. Her Unsullied and Dothraki are part of the reason Winterfell didn’t fall to the Army of the Dead. She lost a dragon to help Jon with no thought of personal gain.

  10. SM says:

    So disrespectful to boo an actor who was trying to do the work they were given by the creators. People need to grow up. It is a show and they are insulting a real person.

  11. Franny says:

    Jon Snow was the ultimate Mary Sue. At least he was banished.

  12. Becks1 says:

    Looking back, the only thing that still makes me mad is how pointless Jon Snow was. And I don’t mean just because he spent season 8 saying “I don’t want it” and “you’re my queen.”

    WHAT was the point of his character???? Okay so he killed Dany; someone else could have easily filled that role (having someone like Jorah kill her because she goes mad would have been a lot more powerful IMO). Such a big effing deal was made about his parentage and in the end it meant absolutely nothing, except I guess that he wouldn’t marry Dany and the knowledge of his parentage and his rejection of Dany as a lover were two things that pushed her closer to madness. But again, something else could have done that (like Melisandei’s death).

    It’s A Song of Ice and Fire and in the end it was just Dany vs Cersei.

    • ReginaGeorge says:

      Jon was the Song of Ice and Fire. Literally the son of ice (Lyanna) and fire (Rhaegar) , who loved ice (Ygritte) and fire (Dany) and was the catalyst who joined everyone together to save the world from the threats of ice and fire. He was the prophecy that was foretold and it was his destiny. That was his task. Him being a Targ was part of the prophecy that he/she would be of that bloodline and the whole dragon riding thing.

      • Becks1 says:

        No, I get all that. that’s part of my point. the whole thing is a Song of Ice and Fire and the person who actually WAS that “song” ended up not really doing anything, at least in the last few seasons. I guess we could say he got Dany to Winterfell and got her to fight the night king, which helped them. But dany agreed to that before knowing he was a TArg. what was the point of him being a Targ? He could ride a dragon? He united the families of the north against the walkers? The unification stuff could have happened without him being a Targ.

        Basically I think there was a lot of leadup to his parentage that just didn’t seem to mean a whole lot in the end.

    • Cindy says:


      I like that Arya killed the NK and I was never a fan of Jon, but seriously, if Jon was never going to be King and he didn’t kill the NK… why the hell was he revived? Ok so he assembled the army and everything, but why make such a big deal about his heritage then?

      The show made out Jon to be some kind of Jesus, and spent 7 seasons making us believe he is actually super, super important, just to make him pointless by the end.

  13. Cindy says:

    I feel bad for the actors. Honestly, I don’t think they defend the ending to “not bite the hand that feeds them” or anything. Fans online whine so much about the time we spent watching this show and getting invested on the story, but these people spent much more hours than that WORKING on getting this show done. Of course they are not going to see things the same way we do. As horrible as S8 was, I’m sure it was a very emotional experience for them, and they still worked very hard and saw everyone working very hard. Of course it must hurt them to see everyone shitting on the season, especially since they always talk about how much they loved working on the show.

    The internet has made fandoms so passionate and toxic nowadays.

    • Maria says:

      I have no animosity towards the actors for the plot, but I am tired of them whining about how hard they worked.
      Welcome to the real world, where the general population works hard every day without recognition, Emmys, or Louis Vuitton contracts. We all work hard on things. It doesn’t pan out sometimes.
      I feel worse for the crew, who undoubtedly worked much harder for much lower pay.

  14. Louise177 says:

    I don’t think anybody blames the actors. People are just really mad about the last season. It wasn’t just one episode but the whole season with a few bright spots. It’s really disappointing for a great show to end so horribly.