T&C: The Turnip Toffs have a ‘code of omertà’ with the Cambridges & Rose Hanbury

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Town & Country sent a journalist to Norfolk, England and they tried to get some dirt on the situation between the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and Rose Hanbury, the Marchioness of Cholmondeley. The rumors swirled for several months, but they’ve died down significantly this summer, probably because William and Kate haven’t done that much in the past few months. Out of sight, out of mind, especially when there’s a biracial duchess to bully, I suppose. The thing is, Town & Country didn’t speak to many people who actually wanted to talk about the Cambridges’ marriage or the affair stories, so the article became sort of a hilarious vignette about these terrible aristocrats who just want to be left in peace to have their quiet affairs and go grouse-shooting the old way. Here’s the section which is explicitly about Rose, Kate and William:

Yet residents have become increasingly prickly of late, for this corner of England has been shaken by the storm of reports about the Cholmondeleys and the Cambridges. The inbreeding jokes have faded, only to be replaced by catty riffs on the “Turnip Toffs,” a gang of viscounts and marquesses whose titles betray a down-to-earth approach to life in a fertile county where turnips were once a vital crop.

…As well as being neighbors, Rose and Kate are of a similar age and attend the same charity galas and garden parties. The Marchioness was a guest at the Cambridges’ wedding in 2011, and they mingled at events at Houghton, including its annual horse trials. (Zara Tindall, the queen’s eldest granddaughter, was competing at Houghton when I visited in May, although, I was politely informed, the owners were not at home.)

The women, apparently fast friends, represent the modern face of North Norfolk, which has been changing while still eschewing the showiness of the smarter counties in London’s orbit. The area has become a magnet for middle class holidaymakers and second home owners.

Anmer—and North Norfolk at large—has been a sanctuary for the Cambridges, and its residents are protective of its discreet atmosphere. Weeks after the rumors began to circulate, along with the Turnip Toff headlines, the gentlest inquiry is shot down faster than an overweight partridge.

“It’s a load of bollocks,” Lady Leicester says. Her friend Monica Vinader, a Spanish-born Norfolk jeweler, has joined us for lunch. She is delighted that the Duchess of Cambridge has just worn a pair of her earrings at the Chelsea Flower Show in London, but that’s as much royal chat as she is prepared to have. Desmond MacCarthy insists, “There are more interesting things to talk about.”

Meanwhile, Davina Barber rolls her eyes so hard they nearly fall out. It’s hard to gauge in the withering responses where denial meets discretion. But whatever the truth, there is a weariness of the tabloids’ interest in the county and the code of omertà that has become as much a part of the culture as worn-out carpets and freezers full of pheasant.

[From Town & Country]

As I read the entire article – which was so well-written and a real joy to read, thanks T&C – I was struck by so many things at once: how funny it is that these terrible people take pride in wearing worn-out tweed and not being “showy,” like it would be a crime to wear new clothes or serve good-quality wine to one’s guests. I also think that despite the eye-rolling and denials, of course there’s gossip. Of course the aristo set was talking – amongst themselves – about whether Kate shunned Rose and whether Rose and William got too close and all of that. This article really shows that they all know each other, they all socialize together and they’re all in each other’s business, but they’re not going to talk to outsiders about it.

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  1. Melissa says:

    I rolled my eyes because I find these rich snobs to be insufferable. I would never want to live near them, and I don’t envy anything about their lives. The more stories that are printed about the royals and aristos, the more ridiculous they all sound.

    • Arist-not says:

      And a day of relaxing fun consists of shooting innocent birds out of the sky. Gross. I wouldn’t mind having lots of money, but it would kill my soul to be born into that suffocating social set.

    • Nahema says:

      I find it hard to hear some of these people bad mouthed. I can’t reconcile with shooting animals but these large estate owners provide very low cost accommodation for local families compared to the local rental prices, they support local businesses and are more aware of their impact upon the environment than their middle class counterparts.

      I live in North Norfolk and it is a very interesting place. You see people in certain areas particularly (Blakeney, the Burnhams, Holt) wearing their designer gear and driving expensive cars. They’re really showy people, who are clearly new money and probably mostly from London and just have holiday homes. There’s a huge number of them. Then there are the ‘Turnip Toff’s’ as they’re referred to on here and you wouldn’t look twice at them. Often they drive very average, old cars and their clothes are passed down and rough. They’re designer but worn until they are worn out. I’m sure they have nice clothes too but they’re not flashy about it. This even applied to the younger generation.

      I think everyone assumes the ariso’s are living like Royalty. The Cambridges & Sussex’s are nothing like the other ‘Turnip Toff’s’.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @Nahema, I have been told the same thing from friends of mine that live in Norfolk about the wealthy landed gentry and true landed title aristocrats of Norfolk.

    • fishface says:

      It’s considered very vulgar amongst this set to display your wealth.

      • Nievie says:

        Also a way to trick the masses into thinking you’re not as rich as you actually are- these people’s ancestors saw what happened to Marie Antoinette and doubled down.

        I recommend reading a book called ‘Who owns England’. V interesting read.

  2. Seraphina says:

    It really stuck out for me when the lady stated it’s “rubbish” (the affair talk) and her jeweler friend’s earrings were worn by the duchess. All connected and will protect. But this seems like an older crowd, what about the younger crowd Kate’s age and younger, do they play by the same rules???

  3. Ahhh discretion and good manners… the death of good gossip.

    This may be an instance where the group closes ranks, not to protect any one in particular, but the set as a whole. Imagine if the lid came off the stories that could sell (autocorrect and it stays).

    • Esme says:

      Good on them, really. They have nothing to gain by gossiping, and discretion will serve them better.

      • Christina says:

        You took the words out of my mouth. Good for them. Wealthy or not, they live there. Whether you live in a mansion or a closet, your neighbors are your environment and you their’s, and who wants drama at home. Family can be rough enough.

    • Melissa says:

      Loose lips sink ships.

      I wish more people would keep their mouths closed, especially all of those anonymous Palace sources. Gossip may be entertaining to some, but I’ve seen it do a lot of damage to innocent people and businesses.

      • Carrie says:

        Same. I’ve no trouble with them keeping their business to themselves. It’s good mental health practice and respectful.

  4. BayTampaBay says:

    I still say and will continue to say that it is my gut feeling the the Norfolk Turnip Toffs are circling the wagons to protect Rose & David not Bill & Cathy.

    I have friends living in Norfolk on the opposite side of the county from the Cholmondeleys. My friends tell me Norfolk has a reputation in England for being a county of eccentrics like one sees on the UK TV show Midsomer Murders and the population does all it can to live up to that reputation of eccentricity.

    • chunkyla says:

      You’re last paragraph is interesting because eccentric people usually get up to all sorts of mischief themselves so like @AllKindsOfSugar has said above, the Toff’s have closed ranks not just to protect the William, Kate and the Cholmondeleys but to protect the entire set. That’s my gut feeling anyway.

      • Becks1 says:

        @chunkyla yup that’s my feeling too. Part of this may be just good ol’ fashioned “we can gossip about our people but you can’t” but I think there is a strong desire to protect the entire set from gossip/secrets spilling/etc.

    • leena says:

      Don’t believe all the stories you hear about Norfolk. Apart from the crappy mobile phone coverage!

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @Ienna, What does “Normal for Norfolk” of “NFN” refer too?

      • Tina says:

        @Bay – it used to be a term jokingly used by medics, referring to the inbreeding up there. It has changed now to refer generally to eccentricity.

    • grumpy says:

      No, it doesn’t at all. Also the “turnip toffs” are hardly representative and they live in Kings Lynn which is mainly a drug-addled slum.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        Did not Diana, Princess of Wales live in Kings Lynn when she was young?

        Maybe I am getting my English villages mixed up.

      • Nahema says:

        They do not all live in Kings Lynn. They’re spread throughout North Norfolk. Kings Lynn is rough but Sandringham is only a few mins away and is lovely. I live in North Norfolk and have worked for two different families that we are talking about here. What really strikes me is how much people can talk with no idea what they’re talking about.

      • Becks1 says:

        @nahema come on now we need dirt! You can’t let that tidbit slip and then walk away. Especially bc as the only two families we are talking about are the Chumleys and Cambridge’s.

  5. Becks1 says:

    LOL of course they aren’t going to say anything. They all probably have secrets of their own and if anything, they’re probably ticked that this rumor about William, Kate and the Chumleys has brought more attention to their area.

    Kate has worn Monica Vinader before the flower show but that just shows how this circle works, IMO. “I’ll let you interview me, but you have to let me bring my friend who is a jewelry designer and you have to mention that Kate has worn her jewelry and I’m not going to tell you anything interesting.”

    • BayTampaBay says:

      @Becks1, I would still pay good money to dine & sleep at Houghton Hall as it is one of my favorite English Country Houses. I would pay even more good money to charity dine (only way I could get an invite) with Rose & David as I find them fascinating. Of course I would come back and post all good tea and bad dirt for my friends at CB which is probably why my name is not on the approved guest list! LOL!

    • Bella DuPont says:

      How juicy would it be if one of these people accidentally leaked that it’s actually Kate + David romping frantically? This site would crash so quickly, lol.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        I read somewhere on some deep& dark site that happened upon while Googling that Rose & David are separated which they are NOT. IT is my opinion that they are living their lives as they always have.

        The only part of my mind that bugs (and it does not last long) which leads me to think this story may be fiction is that I cannot get my head around what in the world Rose would see in Bill Cambridge. I do not see Bill Cambridge as being anything close to her type based on prior history.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        I read somewhere on some deep& dark site that happened upon while Googling that Rose & David are separated which they are NOT. IT is my opinion that they are living their lives as they always have.

        The only part of my mind that bugs (and it does not last long) which leads me to think this story may be fiction is that I cannot get my head around what in the world Rose would see in Bill Cambridge. I do not see Bill Cambridge as being anything close to her type based on her history.

      • Megan says:

        An affair between Kate and Rose would have been the best gossip.

      • oddly says:

        David is gay or at least bi sometimes, but mostly gay , Rose is there for the heir and the spare. David has set up home in a posh (joint-owned) apartment with his notorious and openly gay BF. in Paris. He spends most of his time there and appears in the UK when his palace gig requires it.

        Not judgeing , that’s just the life they live, Rose knew what she was getting into and grasped it with two hands and both feet, egged on by her mother who could put Ma Kardasian in the shade.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @oddly, Which brings me back to my original point; if your husband does not care what or who you do then why in the world would you want to do Normal Bill.

        Charles Gordon-Lennox, The Duke of Richmond, Gordon & Lennox, I could very easily understand but NOT Normal Bill Cambridge.

  6. Leriel says:

    “This article really shows that they all know each other, they all socialize together and they’re all in each other’s business, but they’re not going to talk to outsiders about it” – is it like some brand new information, or T&C thinks that they opened a new galaxy with it? Of course rich people our of one circle will not talk about each other to strangers, jesus, it’s entire point of being in circles, where relationships are built on having secrets about each other. Especially when everyone in this circle either rich, famous, powerful, or has “blue blood”. It’s not news, gosh damn.

    • Becks1 says:

      I imagine that some reporters are always vaguely surprised if they cant find ANYONE willing to divulge some gossip. Even if its made up, lol.

      But – and this is just a general thought – its interesting because someone DID leak the original story. I know some think it was Rose, some think it was Kate, maybe someone else entirely. but that initial story of the “rural rival” got leaked. Either someone overplayed their hand or they played their hand really well, depending on what they wanted to happen after that.

      I just don’t think the initial story was completely made up by a random reporter, because it was so random and out of the blue.

      • MA says:

        Never forget that there was an actual media blackout on the story after the fact and about William’s affair. Any time you start to think “maybe this was made up nonsense,” remember that fact. There’s definitely something there.

      • Becks1 says:

        @MA – yup! and the media blackout was confirmed by several sources. There is definitely something there. An affair seems like the most obvious thing, but it could be something else too I guess.

      • himmiefan says:

        I don’t think the leak was a mistake; yes they closed ranks, but someone wanted this to get out.

      • Becks1 says:

        @himmiefan I don’t believe it was a mistake either. I just find it interesting to speculate on who leaked it and why.

        I know @Bay is of the theory that it was Rose (or someone in her camp) which I can kind of see. Rose gets ticked that Kate was trying to cut her out, and leaked that story as a kind of warning shot. Maybe she expected it to lead to rumors about an affair, maybe not.

        I can also almost see Kate or someone related to her leaking it, as a way of putting Rose in her place (Kate is the FFQC, after all, so she must be the queen of the TTs and Rose better remember that before sleeping with her husband) but then it backfired, hence the media blackout etc., as Kate learned that she was not, in fact, the queen of the TTs.

      • Nic919 says:

        I think Rose or someone on her side leaked the original story about the icing out as a warning of sorts because those in the know would know that the icing out was about the affair without explicitly stating that. Sort of a reminder to Kate that she isn’t the queen of the turnip toff set. Then the Richard Kay article was a response of sorts from William, which was poorly done and threw more fuel on the speculation. Add to that certain people on twitter directly stating there was an affair and this got out of control more than Rose and co expected, especially when William started sending threatening letters to the media.

        Now that there is open talk of an affair on social media as well as everywhere but the UK, Rose is laying low and the toffs are circling around to make the story fade away.

      • Becks1 says:

        @Nic that is basically what I think happen. Rose leaked the bit about the fazing out and didn’t anticipate Will’s reaction to be quite so…..over the top. It snowballed from there but I think the initial leaking was just to remind Kate of her place and the power that the TTs have. Kate wanted to faze out Rose? Well, Rose will show her that she doesn’t have that much influence or power.

      • oddly says:

        I’m wondering if it wasn’t Roses mother who leaked it. She is way past Ma Middleton in her social climbing agenda, she has married off all three of her daughters to Titles , if she felt Roses position was being threatened by Kate she may have spilled the tea for spite. Rose seems less ambitious and hippy laid back. I don’t think she would go out of her way to make waves as she is really the most expendable one in the grand scheme of things.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      @Leriel, my friends in Norfolk refer to these “circles” as “sets” as in the Hunting Set, The Turnip Toff (farming) set, The London Art & Fashion Set, The Polo Set, The Riding Set…etc…etc. The group of people in the Turnip Toff Set take pride that they farm/manage their own agricultural estates and are very tied to the Norfolk community with their primary residence in Norfolk. The Turnip Toffs may have an abode in London but they differ from The London set which actually reside in London and have (or may previously have had) a country house with limited acreage in the shires because finances have forced them to sell much of their estate land or they rent out their estate land because they do not want to be bothered. They are not tied to the local community and their country house is really just a place in the English country side no different to them than a place in Italy, Spain or Palm Beach USA.

      I may be wrong but this is what I have been told my UK friends.

      • Nic919 says:

        If that definition of the Turnip Toffs is accurate then Will and Kate would not qualify. They primarily reside in London and don’t work a farm of any sort. William is only now barely getting involved with the Duchy work. This would suggest that Kate was never really a part of that circle.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @Nic919, This is exactly my point. Bill & Cathy Cambridge were never really part of this set. Bill would always be welcome at any private aristocratic social event because he is a member of the British Royal Family and Kate accepted-tolerated because she is FFQC. They were never really part of the set except that they lived “down-the-road” at Anmer Hall. When Cathy decided she wanted to “phase-out” Rose, it did not go over with anyone….i.e….Cathy violated aristocratic protocol, customs and conventions. Also, IMHO both Cathy & Bill are much to lazy to be true Turnip Toffs. Expending much true heart felt effort with EACH to make a real difference in the community of Norfolk and greater East Anglia is not their cup of tea.

        FYI: Lady Leicester (Valeria Phyllis Potter) of Holkam Hall, Norfolk was/is a very close friend of Princess Margaret, Colin Tennant, 3rd Baron Glenconner and his wife Lady Glenconner (nee Lady Anne Coke) This set has always been made up of very interesting people.

      • L84Tea says:

        @BayTampaBay, I think you have hit the nail right on the head. 100% everything you said. It seems crystal clear now what happened.

        Kate was never part of the TT set as much as she believed she was, you know being the FQC, but did try to faze Rose out, which was her mistake. I believe Rose leaked the story to put Cathy in her place and the wagons circled around her, Rose being more a queen of the TT than Cathy. Bill overreacted and caused the backlash that neither side was expecting and it all got out of hand.

        But, I do believe Rose was sending a message when she walked into the state dinner with what’s-her-name gossip lady on her side. I absolutely believe she was sending the message loud and clear to Bill and Cathy (as it took place right in the middle of the blowup) that she knows people and Rose is not to be ***ked with.

        Just my tinfoil Tiara take on it.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        “what’s-her-name gossip lady on her side”

        Her name is Sarah Vine and I think she writes for The Daily Fail.

        Sarah Vine’s husband is Michael Gove, a member of the UK parliament or MP.

        ETA: I also read on some unreliable gossip site that the Middletons (read Carole) were contacted (by who or whom was never stated) and told/warned not to mess with the Cholmondeleys.

      • L84Tea says:

        “ETA: I also read on some unreliable gossip site that the Middletons (read Carole) were contacted (by who or whom was never stated) and told/warned not to mess with the Cholmondeleys”

        It may or not be true, but I could believe that!

      • Fluffy Princess says:

        I believe Carole was warned, because I think she’s a behind the scene instigator. Unfortunately for both Carole and Kate, they don’t come from that background and don’t know “how the game is played.” Trying to faze Rose out is high school antics, and it shows how much Mama Middleton and Kate overestimated how much power Kate really has in true aristocratic circles — nada mas.

        I wonder how much of a shock it was to Kate, and how shocked Carole was that it didn’t work out how they planned it. I’m guessing VERY.

      • Tina says:

        Sarah Vine and Michael Gove are much, much closer in class to Carole Middleton than the Cholmondeleys. But Sarah Vine is a useful idiot and I agree with L84Tea that Rose was sending a message.

  7. DahliaDee says:

    Ugh, poor little rich people. My heart bleeds for them *plays world’s tiniest violin*

  8. Wadsworth the Butler says:

    If they were as discreet as they pretended to be, we would never have heard about these rumors in the first place. Whether true or false, it’s clear that this gossip had travelled far outside the Norfolk set even before it ended up in the tabloids.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      Someone leaked the affair story with a specific purpose. I personally, being the gossipy CB that I am, want to know who leaked the story and why.

      No matter what comes out or does not come, this affair-story was NOT made up by some royal fiction hack jobbing for a tabloid masquerading as a royal reporter or royal insider. This story came from a Toff, a member of the set.

      • Wadsworth the Butler says:

        Someone leaked it to the tabloids, but many people with no obvious connection to Norfolk or the Royal family reported that the rumors of an affair were circulating even before the tabloids got wind of it. So these people obviously love to gossip about each other with people inside and outside of their set. Wasn’t Rose’s own brother allegedly overheard talking openly about the affair in a public setting? That’s not exactly omertà.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @Wadsworth the Butler, You are correct. Brother Hanbury was in some private London Club, had and having too much to drink and his lips starting flapping to his “buddies”. The story was carried either by The Daily Express or The Sun. The story was online for about 2 hours before the story was edited with all the good juicy bits extracted. I read the story both before and after the edit but cannot remember which tabloid ran the story.

        FYI: As god is my witness (wearing dirty stained calico sun dress & cleaning out filthy crab traps in my kitchen sink, I look toward my hibernating computer screen), I will never let this story die until the whole truth comes out! LOL! LOL!

    • BayTampaBay says:

      Someone leaked the affair story with a specific purpose. I personally, being the gossipy CB that I am, want to know who leaked the story and why.

      No matter what comes out or does not come, this affair-story was NOT made up by some royal fiction hack jobbing for a tabloid masquerading as a royal reporter or royal insider. This story came from a Toff, a member of the set.

      • Becks1 says:

        @Bay – yup. Completely agree with you. The story of the initial feud was leaked for a reason.

  9. aquarius64 says:

    Silence may not be golden. Someone on the staff may have receipts (audio, video etc) of William’s wandering specter and in negotiations with the Daily Mail as we type. The Turnip Toffs are not safe.

  10. asdfa says:

    >>>how funny it is that these terrible people take pride in wearing worn-out tweed and not being “showy,” like it would be a crime to wear new clothes or serve good-quality wine to one’s guests.

    This is a VERY specific upper class British thing – it’s gauche to be comfortable when you’re of a certain class, apparently

  11. Harla says:

    Wow, this story just will not die.

  12. leena says:

    Or perhaps there just isn’t anything to talk about?

    Heretical thought though that may be. :lol:

    • Syr says:

      There does not appear to be. People act like the tabloids wouldn’t love this story, but the reality is that if there were sources they would. The Royal Family cant stop the free press if there are legitimate sources (note: all the other royal scandals). This story is fading fast because it doesn’t have legs. But much like political candidates, people believe what they want to believe regardless of the evidence. With the Royals it’s meaningless, only two families get harmed, with politics it can be very serious.

      • leena says:

        “This story is fading fast because it doesn’t have legs.”

        Except on CB. Any two families is two too many.

  13. Myra says:

    It’s ok if Kate’s snobbish British friends protect her but DoS is afforded the same if her friends protect her

  14. Amelie says:

    The fact they refuse to talk about it and “there’s other more interesting things to talk about” means it totally happened. Rich people subsets have always been discreet about this kind of thing so not sure why the reporter is so surprised nobody wants to talk to him/her. The rich people want the common people out of their affairs and just want to go back to their rich idyllic lives in the country where they can all cheat on each other away from the prying eyes of the media. From my limited time in fundraising I learned just how incestuous the European aristos are–seriously everyone sleeps with everybody, not a joke.

    • Carrie says:

      I’m listening to audiobook version of a book about Clementine Churchill. She was way ahead of Jackie Kennedy and so much more interesting. The book includes these types of stories. Apart from the Mitford family, and the Kennedys, I didn’t realize this was the norm. The book is good, Clementine was a survivalist woman with a big heart.

      In any case, I’ve friends from all levels of society and this is apparently true without fail across the board. Groups protect each other to survive. It’s simple. I’m always glad to see issues handled in a way that’s healthy AND healing as possible, so that everyone survives and lives another day. The alternative is cruel and horrific.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        Two excellent reads on the British Aristocracy by Catherine Bailey:

        The Secret Room: Dukes of Rutland

        Black Diamonds: Earls Fitzwilliam

        Both are great rabbit holes to go down.

      • twoz says:

        Carrie: title? Thanks in advance.
        Also BayTampaBay: thanks for your titles.
        *eyes to be read pile and groans*

  15. AprilMay says:

    I don’t think there’s anything surprising in the article (or t least this excerpt) what I think is most surprising is that T&C is still following this up. Out of all of th British publications I didn’t think they’d be the one to remind everyone of this fued.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      T&C ran this nothing but a rehash article either to sell magazines or because they needed filler or maybe both. Then again, maybe the author of the article just wanted to go to Holkham Hall for tea with Lady Leicester.

      • Becks1 says:

        TTT* of the day:

        The reporter had a reason to follow this up at this particular moment (got a tip that there was some truth to the rumors, or something.) Got to Norfolk and realized the TTs had closed ranks, but still wrote the story to fill space. Or maybe some of the other details were edited out of the final story. It just seems kind of random to go to Norfolk and actually get some of these people to go on record commenting about it, even if its to deny the rumors.

        *Tinfoil Tiara Theory

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @Becks1, No one wears a Tinfoil Tiara better than you.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Becks1 is welcome to share the Swedish Steel Cut Tiara as our dual tinfoil tiara.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        Can I wear it too? Please? Pretty Please?

      • Becks1 says:

        YAY I am in nota’s tiara club!!!

  16. Lily says:

    I definitely think Kate tried to kick Rose out of that set after she learned about the affair. It has just made Rose even more popular now though.

  17. February Pisces says:

    I personally think this affair goes deeper than casual shagging. Will could be living with rose and have a whole relationship with her. They don’t need to make it official because neither would benefit. She has a man with money and doesn’t have to work, and a divorce will ruin Wills image as the perfect family man. Plus they both have kids, so there’s no need to procreate together. I did hear her husband was gay and had a special friend in Paris (or wherever) who was like 70 years old. So I don’t think he cares about her cheating in then slightest, but probably doesn’t like the attention. I’ve been hearing for years that Will has been looking for an exit out of his marriage. In terms of who leaked the story, i think it was either roses camp or the middletons. If it was Rose, maybe it was because Will was warned to cool things off, and she sought payback, plus Houghton Hall has seen a boost since the rumour, so she’s literally cashing in. If it was Kate then it could have been her way to get him to stop seeing her. Will sleeping around is nothing new to Kate so Rose is clearly different. She may have been scared that he wanted to leave her and make rose official, but now the rumour is “unofficially” out, eyes are on him like never before, thus eliminating Kate’s threat. Wills reaction to the affair rumour proves that he’s not ready to publicly end it with Kate, amid fears of public backlash. Therefore Kate is safe for now, and if he does ever leave her, the rumour is out now, so she would get to play the victim cos he was the bad guy first.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      “I’ve been hearing for years that Will has been looking for an exit out of his marriage.”

      @February Pisces, I would love your opinion: Do you really think that William thinks he can just “exit” his marriage and later ascend the throne with no problems what-so-ever?

      • Becks1 says:

        @Bay – you didn’t ask me but i’ll comment anyway!

        Sure, I think so. I think if the monarchy no longer exists when William is set to be king, it wont be because he left Kate. Charles is going to ascend to the throne sooner rather than later despite the mess that was his first marriage and divorce.

        I think a W-K divorce would be messy, but by the time he becomes king I think it will be just another story in royal history.

        That said, I have never heard the rumor that William is looking for an exit out of his marriage so I find that interesting.

    • notasugarhere says:

      If William decided to divorce Kate, the royals would pull out all the stops to go after the Middletons. Every shady thing, including Carole’s undue influence on William and Carole being the controlling adult in that marriage of three, would come out. It would be messy as Becks1 writes, but few would take the side of the Middletons and Waity. The CoE was founded by a man who wanted to divorce his wife and remarry; William being divorced and remarried wouldn’t remove him from succession.

      • February Pisces says:

        That’s what I mean. William has the dirtiest players on his team. The most important thing to him is that he doesn’t look like ‘charles’ in this situation. If it means throwing Kate under the bus he will do it in a second. His priority is that he publicly survives the impact of a divorce, especially as his whole image relies on him being the perfect husband and family man. But mother Middleton will fight back, she’s got nearly two decades of dirt on him and she ain’t afraid to use it. That’s why I think it could have been the middletons who leaked to rumour. It gives them a head start should war of the Cambridge’s ever happen. But Kate doesn’t have the same ‘people’ power that Diana had, and she would lose literally everything and he would carry on a normal.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @Nota and Feb Pis, Do you think William would consider his children and the impact on them in a divorce scenario? Enquirng minds are waiting on your opinion.

      • Lady D says:

        I think he would consider them and then do what he wants. He comes first in his mind and will put his happiness over theirs.

    • February Pisces says:

      I’ve been hearing over the last couple of years that the Cambridge’s have been miserable. The early lipstick alley threads have loads of tea. I don’t know why he married her cos even when they were dating they were always breaking up and he was the one dumping her. He even jumped on a table and shouted “I’m free” during their 2007 break up. my apologies for my choice of words and the phrases ‘exit’ might not have been the right choice, but from what I’ve heard, I think they have both thought about what would happen if there was a divorce, and how they would go about it. If you stuck in a miserable marriage of course your gonna think about how to break free. I just think they probably outgrew each other years ago. With Kate I think it was her mother always whispering in her ear to hang on, when she wanted to give up. I think 2 of the following 3 options would need to happen first for William to make the leap;

      1.harry and Meghan divorce first. I think Will is desperate for Harry’s marriage to fail, hence the constant hate campaign against her. Also if the press are consistently scrutinising them, it will make the entire marriage look like a disaster from start to finish, even if they are Blissfully happy at home. If both marriages publically failed, Harry’s would still look worse, because of all the press crap they have been through.

      2.he meets someone he wants to wife and who is willing to take on the job.I think a lot of wills behaviour is because he’s just an unhappy guy. He wants real love like anyone else. A lot of the girls he wanted didn’t want the job. Kate was the only one who did.

      3.the queen dies. Once she’s gone, all bets are off. I personally think if he were to divorce Kate, he should do it whilst she’s still alive so she can add ‘stability’ to the monarchy, but that won’t happen.

      If they ever divorce it’s gonna be messy, the Cambridge’s know how to play dirty in the press. I can’t imaging what they would do to each other. I hope they can find their happiness either together or apart.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @February Pisces, Your post, insight and analysis are up there with Becks1 and Nota. Celebitchy is such a great blog. So many wonderful posters. I deep curtsy to you February Pisces!

      • Becks1 says:

        FP and Nota have good points about how messy it would get. I think william would still “win,” but I think it would get really ugly.

      • February Pisces says:

        Thank you everyone for your responses. In terms of the children’s, I do think he cares about their well being, but like another poster said, it isn’t gonna stop him. These aristos have spent generations and generations making the same mistakes as their parents. All they know is cheating and marrying for money’s and know doubt lil george will probably turn into Will one day.

        I think the major blind spot is figuring out what rose wants? Does she want William full time and get her hands on the ultimate title? She married her husband for his title and wealth so she’s no different from Kate in that respect. Plus he’s older and rumoured to be gay, so it looks more of a marriage of convenience. But she could be very comfortable in her situation, she’s got the title, money, connections and no responsibilities and children. There’s no need to mess that up. But maybe the missing wedding ring at the state dinner could be a sign that her and her husband or on the way outs.

  18. Becks1 says:

    Oh! I know the other thing I found interesting. Zara competed in the Houghton Horse Trials but the Cambridges did not attend. Considering they have attended in the past, and attended another horse trial around the same time, that pinged something on my gossip-radar.

    I mean its probably meaningless, but as we’re all just gossiping about people we don’t know anyway….it seemed an interesting tidbit to include.

  19. celialarson12 says:

    I have know idea when the above photos of William, Rose and Kate were taken, but William`s body language is noteworthy. I would not be surprised if Kate had been a laughing stock in Norfolk for a lot of her married life.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      @celialarson12, Which really is not fair to Cathy Cambridge. I would bet it is easier to fit in with the “London Set” than the true wealthy landed gentry and titled landed estate owning aristocrats known as the “Turnip Toffs”.

    • Becks1 says:

      @celia / they were in 2016. So post Charlotte pre Louis. It was a benefit held at Houghton Hall to benefit EACH. YES, of which Kate is patron. And I think rose is a patron or a big donor as well. So rose threw a big fundraiser for one of Kate’s few charities and hence, these pics.

  20. Sofia says:

    I don’t know why any reporters bother going to get some info. It’s not like anyone in that circle is going to talk.

    David Hanbury (Brother Hanbury) could have apparently leaked the affair? Or at least accidentally? Anyone know anything about him?

  21. Abby says:

    Have any of you read Julian Fellowes book “Snobs” ? I’ve been reading it off and on. The people in it sound so much like this article, and it’s a novel!