I know this is going to shock everyone to their very core, but I’m starting to think there was something FISHY about Jeffrey Epstein’s death, you guys! I mean, of course we’re still talking about it with this angle. I saw a meme where the joke was that Epstein’s death is the one issue which can truly unite the entire country in thinking “wow, super-suspicious.” Attorney General Bill Barr is of course releasing more information, and by that I mean he’s just fully throwing the guards under the bus and hoping that everyone is still buying the whole “Epstein hanged himself” narrative.
Attorney General William Barr said Monday there were “serious irregularities” at the federal jail in New York where Jeffrey Epstein died in an apparent suicide.
“I was appalled and frankly angry to learn of the (Metropolitan Correctional Center’s) failure to adequately secure this prisoner,” Barr said in a speech to a law enforcement group in New Orleans. “We are now learning of serious irregularities at this facility that are deeply concerning and demand a thorough investigation.”
Barr, whose department oversees federal prison and jail facilities like the Metropolitan Correctional Center, has received harsh criticism from some lawmakers in the wake of Epstein’s death, which is now under investigation by the FBI and Department of Justice Inspector General’s Office.
“This sex trafficking case was very important to DOJ and me personally,” Barr said. “FBI and office of DOJ IG will get to the bottom of what happened and there will be accountability.”
Barr’s remarks came two days after Epstein was found unresponsive in his cell at the federal detention center in lower Manhattan. Multiple law enforcement officials said Epstein appeared to have hanged himself, but an initial autopsy was inconclusive.
Epstein, 66, was not on suicide watch at the time of his death, even though he was found in his cell two weeks ago with marks on his neck, multiple people familiar with the investigation said. The wealthy financier and accused sex trafficker was instead returned to a special housing unit, where the guidelines call for corrections officers to check on inmates every 30 minutes. But “a number of hours” elapsed between checks of Epstein’s cell, according to an administration official familiar with the matter. The precise time gap between checks is still not clear, the official said.
The official said Epstein’s cellmate was released Friday and was not replaced, which violates Bureau of Prisons protocols for that unit in the facility.
So Epstein had a roommate and then the roommate was removed on Friday, so the very first night that Epstein was alone was also the moment where his guards didn’t have the time to check on him every 30 minutes… and on and on. What’s the best theory of the crime if you believe it was murder? That it was some kind of inside job with one of the guards (or several guards) being paid to either look the other way or pull off the hit themselves? According to NBC News, the FBI and DOJ Inspector General are “devoting a substantial amount of manpower to the case,” which I imagine is just more passing-the-buck until they blame it all on some non-union part-time security guard.
*cough*
NEW YORK (AP) — AP source: One of Jeffrey Epstein's guards the night he hanged himself wasn't a correctional officer.
— Jonathan Lemire (@JonLemire) August 13, 2019
Photos courtesy of Getty.
My first reaction: how convenient is this death.
Second reaction: my prayers for his victims who don’t have the chance to have justice.
That’s all I have.
I can’t explain to you how infuriating the injustice is when I think about it. And smug Andrew going to church with mummy. Ugh.
Prayers for all the victims. I fear his accomplices will sleep well and will enjoy life because the older I get the more I understand how well protected the super rich and elite actually are.
Oh definitely an inside job. El Chapo managed to survive to be tried and sent to a super max facility w/out a problem. Maddoff as well; and there were enough people who lost EVERYTHING that would’ve gladly passed the shiv to a guard.
But in THIS case…TOO many “dark” names being bandied about, incl. Kushner’s bestie MSB. Too many strata elite that did not want any of this/their involvement getting out.
For there to be NO 1/2 hr check-in, NO functioning cameras where cams usually are available, NO ONE hearing anything…. What I’d like to know is, *what* did he hang himself *from* in that cubicle?? There are no bars (solid doors), no rails, no ledge that has anything to hang onto… so HOW did he hang himself??
When I heard the “suicide”: even if it’s true, that’s the last abuser laugh. But I don’t believe it was a suicide.
If you only knew what is going on… and sex with minors is only the beginning. Even darker things are happening… the public has been ‘asleep’ for so long regarding the Uber rich, elite activities. But we are finally waking up!
More to the story:
– where are the documents?
– who are the guards and who is their bosses’ boss?
– which other big names are involved and who profits from Epstein’s death? clinton? Trump? Who else?
And I bet they “lost” the list which said who was supposed to check on him. And they lost that document that said that there need not be any more 30-min-check-ups on him … and as that was a digital document … unfortunately the computer had a little physical meltdown and the harddrive is dead and molten and ….
I literally told my husband this weekend that 1) I in no way believe that he killed himself, and 2) that they better go after all the men who helped rape those girls and all of the employees/cohorts he had who helped him find girls and hide his crimes, because the girls deserve better than that scumbag dying and that being it. There are so many people who had to assist him, go after them!
I also pointed out to him that everyone is focused on it being either the Clintons or Trump, but he knew tons of influential, extremely rich people. It could have been anyone, IMO. I’m not a conspiracy theorist and usually get really mad when people cling to them, but this one seems so obvious.
I am not sure he is actually dead. There was this pic of police officers transporting his corpse on a stretcher. The shape of his ear and the nose didn’t match at all.
what if they put a body double corpse into his cell?
I would make sense as guys like Epstein do usually have several exit plans. He must have hidden some money, too, somewhere. Perhaps it would be easier to follow that trail?
His Saudi Arabian passport pinged a big red flag for me. If he risks any bad press on the House of Saud I mean Clinton/Trump/Andrew don’t built in channels for taking care of these things. But even if not, I’m sure he knows a lot of horrible, but not famous, people who could pull this off.
I read this am that the survivors are trying to have his plea deal stricken down. If that happens his accomplices’ immunity goes bye bye as well.
I’m just going to continue to wear my tinfoil hat about this. The more information that comes out the more that its super, super obvious this was either an inside job or they were just letting him kill himself.
Yup me too. The tinfoil hat stays on for this one. There is no way he committed suicide.
I’m in the tinfoil hat club too! I think it was the British Royal Family.
I’m only slightly embarrassed by my hat.
I need more than one tinfoil hat because so many people wanted to silence him.
The only thing I know for sure is that this never should have happened and it happened because either someone LET it happen or someone HELPED it happen. There are just too many different ways it could have played out.
And I am as far from a conspiracy theorist as you can get. They usually piss me off but in this case? COME ON.
You’re right!
My tinfoil hat is a cloche. I wear it with hip waders because that sh*t is deep.
It was Hillary Clinton.
or, her emails…
I think that they let him kill himself. He was treated like every other prisoner. Either it was the height of incompetence, which it could very well be, or it was intended negligence, as in the justice department sending the signal not to bother putting him on suicide watch. If they want to take you alive, they do. If they want another prisoner to shank you, they just look away, just like Acosta did, and that’s is crystal clear given the recently unsealed evidence that he pretended not to know about: girls drinking milk and eating junk food before entering his private lair and the butler cleaning the sex toys afterwards?!?!? WTAF?!?!?! There are plenty of union issues and understaffing at that facility, so it’s easy to commit a murder without having to get your hands dirty. Just say you are doing your job, but look away. The promotion as a reward for falling into line will come in 6 months to a year. Look at Acosta.
Epstein’s death will be the subject of true crime podcasts for decades.
Ryan Murphy will probably do an American Crime Story anthology about Epstein like he did about OJ Simpson.
I don’t know if he was killed. But I don’t think it was an accident that there was such a long gap of time without anyone watching him. Were the guards giving him a chance to kill himself? If so, was that at Epstein’s request, or someone else’s, or were they just hoping he would do it? Or, did the guards purposely leave him alone so someone else could do it?
I don’t know if we’ll ever know the full story, but something about this just smells very fishy to me.
Someone got paid off for sure, and it will not be difficult to track down. Right now the FBI is combing through bank accounts…
@Mignionette, it’s bold to presume the FBI is on the right side of history this time..
@Pixie sadly that is true. Urghhh I want to scream at this whole affair.
My first thought was that someone was paid off to look away. I also read something intriguing, that one of the guards was actually an undercover agent of some country’s, take your pick. Honestly nothing is too farfetched in this batsh^t era we are enduring. Such as the suicide was staged and the body wasn’t really his and he’s off safely somewhere else. I honestly would believe anything is possible.
And basically anything that comes out of Bill Barr’s mouth is disingenuous nonsense. He has zero credibility.
Someone for sure killed him. Remember when he had his “suicide attempt”? He was adamant he didn’t hurt himself, that someone he didn’t recognize was trying to kill him. He’s too big of a narcissist to kill himself. I think he thought he’d sit behind bars for a year or two then be quietly released to serve like he did before, on the weekends only. 100% murder.
I didn’t now that Epstein said that he was attacked during the first “attempt”. Whether it was a suicide or a murder, that’s what happens to pedophiles in prison. It’s usually inmates that do the killing, but the police turn away.
Crap like this happens in jails/prisons all the time including federal ones.
See for example the relatively recent case of James ‘Whitey” Bulger the elderly Boston mobster (played by Johnny Depp in the movie Black Mass). Last October at the age of 89 he was murdered almost immediately upon arrival at a prison he was transferred to in West Virginia. It was as shady as hell.
So yes I can believe guards look away and things are set up or passively allowed to happen.
It is wrong and shouldn’t happen in any correctional setting but it happens.
I can certainly believe however that Jeffrey Epstein could have killed himself. His life was over. His previous sentence was served in an unbelievably comfy work-release setting in Palm Beach Florida. This was totally different and his problems were not going away. People who say he seemed upbeat in the days before his death– that is a not unheard of phenomenon among people who are about to suicide, once they have resolved to do so.
No one really needed to be paid.
Child molesters are murdered by other inmates in prison. The guards supposedly hate child molesters as much, so looking away at a suicidal child molester isn’t hard. It’s the jungle rules, as the prison folk say.
Sadly, my authority on these matters comes from visiting family in State penitentiaries up and down California. Hi, Folsom!
No sh!t Sherlock. The truth will be covered up but there is no way it wasn’t assisted suicide. These errors are all very convenient.
I just want someone to slap the smug off Randy Andy’s face.
First task when arranging for a murder of high profile individual is to remove security…in this case: correctional officers. That was done quickly and easily.
It was no coincidence fat, sleazebag Andy wIth his shit-eating grin on full display mere hours after Epstein’s death. Disgusting.
Yup…he was a very high-profile inmate and you’d think, logically, that he’d have top priority in how he was guarded and surveilled. But no…because guard shortages! Because guards working overtime! Because there was a part-time temp on guard duty!! Bullsh*t. This was a carefully planned effort to give him the opportunity to off himself or have someone paid to do it and make it look like suicide.
The spin started right away, didn’t it. The top dog is appalled! He says there were “irregularities”. Someone down the chain (possibly the acting head of the DOP) will take the fall, no doubt.
We can only hope that the story does not go away. As a TV news show guest said the other night, this is likely a massive web the likes we’ve never seen.
I seriously doubt Epstein would have cooperated anyway. He supposedly gave one word answers (repeatedly responding “fifth”) to a deposition in the Maxwell lawsuit, per news coverage last week. According to other reports, additional evidence can now be collected without his lawyers filing objections on his behalf.
“additional evidence can now be collected without his lawyers filing objections on his behalf.”
I heard a different variation of the same thing. In the USA, since Epstein is dead, there is no argument as to who has “Standing” over documents and evidence obtained. All documents and evidence can now be released per direction of the USA courts.,
That’s a better explanation of why they can go forward more easily than if he were (believed to be) still living.
Maybe the gurney photos were doctored, but did look like a different nose profile and ear outline on the person wheeled into the hospital. So many strange things about this case.
Puhlease. Another country, a new identity.
That’s my tinfoil hat theory too!
After seeing the body pics I wonder this too, but I can’t wrap my head around how his death or faked death is the way to go. I keep reading how NDAs no longer apply. How info will be easier to collect due to him not being here to object, how does this help anyone if he has evidence on everyone that can be found
Because whilst he will be condemned in absentia, it doesn’t really matter anymore because technically he no longer exists. It is the ultimate con job and escape from justice.
He likely squirreled enough away off sure via his associates to live a long life somewhere in south east asia.
I thought this too when I saw that picture of him, but I’ve convinced myself he’s dead. Cause the idea of him being alive and living care-free on some island somewhere like none of this ever happened pisses me off so much.
Nah, he’s definitely dead. Knows too much, and they’ve already found the evidence (which will go missing after a few no names are charged). There’s zero reason to keep him alive. It’s too big of a liability to hope he won’t squeal to save his own neck.
Agree, he was the patsy frontman for all this. The handlers for whom he acted as an info gathering asset took care of him.
that’s my theory as well. The first attempt “suicide” was an inside job to kill him by one or several of the powerful people named in that the latest documents unveiled last week. He survived and understood, without any powerful friends who now actually want to get rid of him, his only way out was to fake his dead. He has enough money to pull it off, he already had the fake passports and probably had a plan settled longtime ago, in the eventuality of his arrest and conviction. He was blackmailing all those powerful creeps, read the deposition of his teenager sex slaves how he and Maxwell instructed them to collect sensible information from the men they were forced to have sex with. Blackmail worked for him once, but with those documents being unveiled it wouldn’t work again
Part II – Jeffrey Epstein’s body goes missing from the morgue
Part III – Ghislaine Maxwell is found dead.
Sounds like an old episode of Midsomer Murders! LOL! LOL!
No joke, I’m waiting for the news that Ghislaine is dead and I will not be surprised when it’s announced. She knows too much and was way too involved.
Yep. Am waiting for news of Maxwell dying in a ‘car accident’ within the next 6 months. And definitely before she allocutes in any criminal case.
I too assume she will be found dead, sooner rather than later.
I’m not generally one for conspiracy theories, but I’m definitely leaning towards someone being paid to kill him, or look the other way. The whole thing is too suspicious, and there are too many rich and powerful men out there wanting it to stay quiet.
Wasn’t her father’s death somewhat suspicious, too? Something about a fall off of a yacht?
Her father was a POS who stole pension money from pension funds. The apple didnt fall far from the tree.
I don’t believe for a second that he killed himself. By all accounts there is no plausible way to hang yourself in one of those jail cells. I don’t know who did it but he didn’t do it himself.
I haven’t seen the pictures of the cell Epstein was in, but if he was off suicide watch and back in a regular cell it is possible. About 4 months ago my ex hanged himself in his jail cell and all he would have had available to do it from was the bunks.
Though this Epstein stuff is fishy.
Oh man that is awful about your ex. I’m sorry.
And as to what you say here, LightPurple said something similar on the Epstein thread from a few days ago–prisoners can hang from a window or a bed post. LP explained that “hanging” often just means self-strangulation.
I mean, from the way this has been bungled and done in the most obviously Machiavellian way, I can’t help but think this is the work of the incompetent DOJ and WH. I just don’t buy that any other government/country would be this stupid and brazen in their handling of this. Hope this all unravels and the victims are given the justice they deserve.
It was an international ring…Saudis, Brits, Princes, Presidents. It could have been any one of them, or any combo pulling the strings. We will never know. Cover up already solidifying. Now he wasn’t on suicide watch, although earlier reports said he was. Official story will be whatever they want it to be, besides the truth. SO MAD.
Barr is a garbage human being. Full stop.
Agreed. He makes my skin crawl and my blood boil almost more than Trump himself. He actually makes Jeff Sessions (almost) look like a man of integrity.
Of course. Epstein and daddy Barr were bffs. No way baby Barr is going to implicate anyone.
YES! THIS SHOULD BE IN THIS ARTICLE.
He is so effin terrible. I didn’t think Trump could pick someone more evil than Sessions. I should have never underestimated him…
Hmnn- I saw a story that they didn’t erect barriers to shield his body from public view when they removed him to hospital. BUT, barriers where in place when transferring to morgue. Somebody wanted to see proof he was in fact dead? Or was someone made up to resemble him and he is far far away? So many loose threads, so many questions. So many would be implicated.
The fact that his face wasn’t covered up really jumped out at me. It really did seem like they were showing him (or “him”) off. Sigh. I need to log off and get away from this stuff.
He knew there was no escape and so he ended things on his terms. Sounds about right.
Whether his materials and his alone time were facilitated by some shadows or just happenstance, we will never know. I predict this will stay covered and never take wing.
Hoping the victims get justice some other way.
We all called Epstein as a hit waiting to happen. But there’s ZERO satisfaction in this outcome. Business as usual for the elites in power. This is how they’ve always taken care of problems… Since royal families first came to be… Since the beginning of time.
I’m so ANGRY I could scream.
The early reports said that he died from cardiac arrest, which is a weird way to commit suicide – pretty much impossible. The hanging story came out a couple of hours later.
It’s not outside the realm of possibility that he killed himself. I mean, he was a serious addict. One of his victims said that he told her he needed multiple orgasms a day. He could have paid the guards himself to look the other way.
Still, he was a malignant narcissist with a god complex – not really the type to think he should be the one to take the fall. Maybe his rich and powerful friends knew that about him and took care of it themselves.
What is called when you have something around your neck as you’re jacking off…and sometimes people die from it? “______ asphyxiation”?
autoerotic asphixiation
Cardiac arrest is not an uncommon cause of death is suicides. Hanging injuries can cause cardiac arrest, so it isn’t inconsistent.
“Cardiac arrests occurring in a hanging context (HCA) are one of the leading causes of traumatic cardiac arrests. Their survival is known to be very poor and often associated to bad neurological outcome.”
Not that this whole situation isn’t suspicious… That one part could track.
Ok, that makes sense.
And I guess I should clarify – his addiction depended on preying on young girls, so I don’t think a do-it-yourself approach would work for him.
He had dirt on Prince Andrew. I guess that is enough to get you killed.
Here’s my theory:
Cameras disengaged, Epstein was drugged, certain corrections staff were diverted to a meeting while three men set up a staged suicide by hanging. Three men waited, took vitals to ensure Epstein was dead, then quickly left by secured (cameras off) exit.
This theory makes sense to me. Would expect Nicholas Tartaglione was part of the team involved in the murder, i.e. finishing the job he was initially tasked with.
Note boss of Federal bureau of prisons is Acting director Hugh Hurwitz, and he was appointed by Sessions roughly a year ago when matters against Epstein were heating up.
Hurwitz is, so far, mysteriously quiet about Epstein. No surprise.
Makes sense. He’s facing the death penalty and has no more f*cks to give.
The Epstein story is the plot of True Detective Season 1. The prison death too.
“until they blame it all on some non-union part-time security guard.”
and ~iNcOmPeTeNce~
So dang fishy
This is no my take on this so call hanging. First, he was seen in a stretcher leaving prison with a neck brace, how can anyone hang themself while wearing a neck break. Second how convenient that Barr is in charge of the MCC and did not make sure they were properly staff. Third, why is Barr still in charge of this investigation knowing His father had a relationship with Epstein and they had a falling out and 45 refused to say what the falling out was about. Fourth, why is Barr not recusing himself knowing he works for the conman. I for one will not believe anything coming out of Barr’s mouth, IMO he will never give us the truth, just as he did with the Mueller’s report.
Barr has zero credibility, and considering he has say over the perimeter of the investigation just makes everyone more suspicious. If investigators were given full rein they could probably get at some truth about it all, but then I remember how restricted the phoney kavanaugh “investigation” was. It’s gonna take people to start talking, but the victims were largely afraid of him before and probably scared for their lives now.
You can just tell that Barr is lying. It’s all over his demeanor, his lifeless eyes, his smirk.
I will never trust a single thing out of that man’s mouth.
Great points, B n A fan. Barr is a crook and should be removed from this matter because of his family history with Epstein.
The House Judiciary Committee has sent a letter containing 23 questions to acting BOP Director Hugh Hurwitz regarding Epstein’s death demanding answers to his death. So far…crickets.
It might be too much to ask that different photos are used for stories about this, but I just really am having a hard time seeing his smug face everywhere. I don’t know why. Maybe it’s because he got away with everything for so long and in every photo it looks like he knows it and I can barely handle that. Anyone else?
Yes, it is very upsetting, I wish they would stop posting closeups of his face.
Yes, Choupette. Me, too.
And our “president” is accusing another former president of being behind Epstein’s death. I’m so sick of this nonsense.
Also he hung himself (??) but in those photos of his “body” he by all accounts looks normal. Where is the bruising, the purpling of his face? Not to be too graphic, but people that hang themselves don’t look like they passed away in their sleep peacefully….
I saw that photo. Some people argue it’s not Epstein mostly because the nose and ear appear to look different.
I believe Epstein is dead.
I worked in a high security prison for 10 years assessing prisoners for risk of self harm and suicide and I can tell you two things
1. When a high profile prisoner arrived he would absolutely be treated with special care, especially if there was a risk of suicide. There would be no way the prison authorities wouldn’t have ensured there were enough staff on duty to look after him properly. Staff would have been expected to step up to ensure he was monitored appropriately.
2. If a prisoner had attempted suicide he would be placed in what we called a special needs unit where he would be monitored constantly around the clock, after the risk of suicide is downgraded the observations are also downgraded to 15 min then 30 min then an hour then finally treated like the rest of the population. However if he’d only attempted suicide two weeks before I don’t believe he would have been off suicide watch and for those guards not to monitor someone who was both incredibly high profile and a suicide risk is inconceivable to me.
Kate Bush, that’s why somebody made sure that the second string was in charge of him. Someone competent would have kept him alive. I think that either some of the staff took it upon themselves to show how badly understaffed they are by using this high profile case for union negotiating down the road or some higher up at justice made sure folks knew not to guard him too closely and to let his suicide take its course. Police and people in jail have their own ethics, and allowing someone who is viewed as scum, like a child molester, to kill themselves is easier to justify to themselves, and it could help make the case for understaffing. You can’t use someone who is a one-time offender and who people will relate to. Everyone hates Epstein, so he’s not sympathetic enough to hold the Union responsible for the understaffing that could have helped hasten his suicide.
Maybe he’s not dead.
I pray for the victims of any offender
Truly, we are already firmly living in 1984, the George Orwell-based dystopia. The parallels are frightening.
That just hyperbole sarcastic sentence right? Because I cannot believe anybody did not think it was a hit job. JE is too egotistical to kill himself and he knows too much. Off he go~