I’m going back and forth on the continuing coverage of Prince Andrew, honestly. I hope I never have to see his stupid face again, but I also understand that this is a legitimate news story with lots of moving pieces still, even after he was allowed to “resign” from his public role. In some sense, it’s open season on him – it seems everyone in the UK has a story about how he’s a boorish, racist pervert. So, here are some stories:
Andrew’s Pitch@Palace thing. This is where he brings together investors and has them listen to “pitches” from small business people or something. I don’t give a sh-t. Well, Andrew is still being allowed to “do” it because it was always one of his “private” initiatives or something. And not only that, he’s shifted his private secretary Amanda Thirsk into the role of chief executive for the initiative. Thirsk is the one who convinced him to do the BBC interview. She will no longer be his private secretary because he’ll no longer have a “royal staff.”
Andrew’s always been racist: Former Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said that after she revealed her racist encounter with Andrew earlier this week, tons of people have told her that they have similar stories involving Andrew and that he was apparently racist all the f–king time in meetings and at events.
Jeffrey Epstein “gave” Andrew women in New Mexico. Epstein had a ranch in NM, and Andrew stayed at the ranch alone, and a woman named Deidre Stratton says that her job was to procure women and girls for Epstein and his guests. Andrew was given a “beautiful young neurosurgeon” by Jeffrey Epstein. For three days.
The Queen is still supporting Andrew. You know how I keep saying that the Queen has zero political/PR instincts? Yeah. She went riding with Andrew in Windsor this morning. She’s letting everyone know that she still supports him. She’s basically undermining her own advisors too. Her advisors have been pushing the narrative of “the Queen is so decisive and ruthless, she’ll do anything for the good of the crown.” Not so much – it’s clear that Charles forced his mother to fire Andrew and she still wants the world to know that she protects her favorite son.
So, yeah… even though I don’t want to see Andrew’s stupid face anymore, I guess this is still newsworthy. Gross.
Prince Andrew and Queen out horse riding as charities' reviews continue https://t.co/KdYqKLVkCg
— Sky News (@SkyNews) November 22, 2019
Photos courtesy of WENN/BBC.
I really think Charles might burst a blood vessel. This has veered into horrific absurdity.
😂😂😂 yes. Prince Charles is going to go ballistic when he gets home.
I think QEII and reality have parted company.
I hope QEII does not ride to Christmas Day Church Service with Andrew.
I do too. She doesn’t get the luxury of supporting a criminal child like a normal person would. This just looks so so bad that I have to conclude that she’s not all there anymore.
I hope she does and it will be the final nail in the coffin for perv Andrew.
Agree and they are riding in the rain so she must be crazy desperate to let us all know that she still supports him!
The lady is in her 90s. Philip isn’t a comfy old fellow who loves to be with his wife. The dysfunction has made Andrew her companion at this point. They have a human-level bond. That is who she is close to.
This is the dynamic that happens in bad marriages, and it’s well-documented in mental health circles: dysfunctional marriages create situations where a child becomes the “spouse” when the real spouse is MIA.
The racism and sexism is sad and makes me so angry. The internet has spread around what they really are, so there is no longer the royal magic like in the 1970s. That’s a good thing. Magical thinking and hiding is what keeps dysfunction and abuse alive and well.
I get the feeling that the Queen has spent all these years defending the Crown and done many ruthless things which have hurt her relationships with certain relatives because she’s felt it was her duty. Now she is old, she knows she won’t be here much longer and she is following her heart rather than her head. I think she’s possibly genuinely concerned about bad blood with her son before she dies. I’m not in anyway condoning Andrews actions or the Queens by saying that and I think it’s a terrible shame because THIS is possibly one of the things that people will remember most when she’s gone. Andrew is terrible on so many levels.
Good point, maybe the alcohol is only one reason his face is always so red. The red glow could come from 60 years of hearing the words “well Andrew has caused another problem”
Except Charles is known for his PR strategy to send squirrely handwritten notes to power brokers. This only engaged the media to mock him. Doubtful he’s pulling off a master stroke.
He Is disgusting, creepy.
Exactly!
Disgusting beyond perception! 😳
Spot on, Nina. I feel sorry for the horse. Fancy having that effing, odious git on your back. Ugh.
How are these people SO BAD at PR????? Even if she wants to make it clear that she supports him (which undermines the narrative the palace is trying to put out about how decisive she is), SOMEONE has to tell her to stop it. Support him in private away from the cameras.
I think Charles is going to have some thoughts about this when he gets back.
This is why I think don’t think Andrew is gone permanently. The entrepreneur program, the careful wording in the statement, this public ride with HM. No way would Andrew go this quietly.
Ugh, I think you’re right. He’ll probably be back to royal duties in January. And he’s definitely going to be at Sandringham for Christmas (meaning the church walk.)
There were “palace sources” (of course) stating that Andrew is going to wait out the next few months until things “calm down”, so you’re on the mark.
I think he can try to come back, but at the end of the day money talks and companies do not want the reputational risk of being associated with a potential pedophile.
At the end of the day what are they going to do – force people (especially women and children) to be nice to Andy on official engagements. He will continue to be ridiculed and shunned as he was in Australia and the press will have a field day.
I’m also sure that at some point the Govt will intervene at the outcry of ordinary folk and that is potentially more damaging to the monarchy as a whole.
That might happen, but I don’t think we’re done with him yet. The statement leaves too much open for the future. He would never go this quietly, without many guarantees about his future and those of Beatrice and Eugenie. Think behind the scenes money deals a la Duke of Windsor, to extract every penny he could.
They are/were definitely planning to allow Andrew to lie low until backlash from his interview was old news but apparently Pitch at the palace have rebelled against his continued involvement and he’s been forced to step down
Perhaps it’s a way of letting all his shady connections know that his stepping back means nothing and the Queen still supports him. Official royal duties or not, Andrew is still open for business.
This. Exactly.
Disgusting.
Took the word out of my mouth. She’s a dumbass at BEST.
That header picture of Andrew is hilariously unflattering.
I laugh every time I see it. He looks so damned foolish! And all the money in the world and his bottom teeth look like that.
The teeth, the double chin, the dumb arrogance and general douchiness….
jesus h, he is not aging well. He looks like he is morphing into a gremlin. “The face you deserve,” indeed.
I’ve never seen a family, whose whole shtick is largely based on PR, be so BAD at it
Their whole shtick is really using their bloodline to retain a position of immense wealth and comfort…and they try to make that seem okay with PR. I guess when they actually need to use that PR to protect themselves, their incompetence at everything shows.
Excellent point!
The sense of entitlement these people have, living off taxpayer money and feeling invincible for it. I really can’t see royal family surviving much beyond this generation.
Kind of like Trump and his family, eh?
Fortunately, we have term limits. Lifetime financial support of unelected individuals to live in luxury is bonkers in this day and age.
Yet Trump has ‘joked’ about overriding term limits. The minute he’s not President he could be indicted for federal crimes.
As a mother, I love my son unconditionally. There is nothing he could do that would make me not love him. That doesn’t mean I will always condone his actions or behavior but I will always love him.
I am obviously not a monarch, but the queen should never be seen associating with her son again? He’s still her son and she loves him. She can’t even go riding with him? I don’t think so.
This may be a time when he needs his mom the most. Not The Queen, his mom.
I love my son unconditionally too, and I really feel for her on this. She’s really old and doesn’t have many good days left to go riding with her favorite child. She’s obviously just doing what she wants, and it’s hurting Charles the most. If you watch The Crown, all of this seems about in character for her. She does as she pleases until the gravity of her mistakes is basically screamed in her face with a megaphone. I’m not sure that’ll work with Andrew. He’s probably her best friend and closest companion. He’s not leaving her side.
No one is saying she cant support him privately or that she should never see him again.
But, she IS the Queen, and right now there is a picture of her riding with someone accused of raping trafficked girls and associating with Jeffrey Epstein less than a week after he gave a disastrous interview and a few days after he’s stepping back from public duties. It doesn’t matter that its her son. It is a horrible move on her part.
Yeah, let’s not forget that these pics are probably being released intentionally. A mother’s love is one thing, but blatant PR promotion is another.
And sorry, but I question anyone who says they will love anyone, even their own child, unconditionally…why can’t love have conditions like “don’t rape girls”? Not that you aren’t allowed to love that person anyhow, but I don’t think it’s a bad thing if you say, “my love has reached its limits, and I’m out.”
Actually I think it’s the most human thing I’ve ever seen the queen do.
Oh I totally agree with you, btw. She’s got real nerve waving this in the face of the girls Andrew abused and her eldest son who has to inherit this mess. I just don’t think she cares. Her love for Andrew trumps all.
Charles is her son as well. And those girls are also someone’s child.
This is not about the Queen being a mom. She’s protecting her favorite because she thinks *she* matters more than basic decency. The focus is not her trying to be a supportive mother; it’s about her not caring about anything besides what makes her happy. It’s about her.
No decent mother would be happy about raising a son like Andrew. Where are the stories about her forcing him to get help? Does she not care about what a putrid person he is and how that has affected the rest of the family including his daughters? Or does she not care because it doesn’t affect her?
She can do as she pleases but she cannot escape the consequences of it.
If she feels like going out for a horseback ride with her son, who has just been compelled to step away from public duties due to credible allegations of sexual abuse of young women, then that is her choice. However, it is reprehensible. In addition, her private feelings towards her son may not support the strictures of her public and professional role.
If she is so determined to “show support” that she needs to engage in performative acts of same, that’s on her. She chose this.
She’s not a private citizen. Consequently, those who do not support the abuse and trafficking of young women and girls are just as free to criticize her.
You may say “I don’t think so” but I know so. And I’ll bet more people agree with me than with you.
Bless your heart.
I absolutely agree with you.
I love my son unconditionally. I love him so much that I started educating him, at 3 years old, about people who want to be touched, bodily autonomy, etc. His father and I are teaching him to use his privilege for good instead of his personal benefit alone.
If I found out he was a vile rapist, I would still love him, but you bet your ass the dynamic would change. And that’s the difference.
Exactly. Very well said.
“This may be a time when he needs his mom the most”
That is probably how his victims felt as they were being abused by him too, that they wanted the safety and comfort of a loving parent. I feel no such sympathy towards Andrew or the Queen, two people in a system that believe they are entitled to do as they wish, because they were born better than the rest of us.
@JC. I’m not a mom but I agree with you on this. This has always been my stance. I know mothers. I’m surrounded by mothers. Just about all of my friends and female family members are mothers. I even have a mother who made and continues to make every excuse in the world for my bother. He’s in his 50s now. He’s not a total f-up but can be. It’s both embarrassing and ridiculous at the same time. So, I don’t judge QEII on this one.
In terms of the optics, let’s put this in broader perspective: at 93, she is a fading monarch. She still has her mind (we think) and she’s physically able to get around with limited support (so it looks), but the other end of the campaign to make Charles / William and Kate more palatable to the public IS accepting that she is stepping down and delegating leadership to Charles. She’s trotted out as the beloved figurehead because she still is that but it’s also to make the transition from her to Charles publicly invisible, if you will. I’m shocked the press has turned on her like they have. I think they are really suggesting senility and challenging her continued fitness for the role. The DM had some absurd and sexist nonsense (well, it’s the DM) written about “would this have happened if Prince Philip were still running BP?” He’s 98! And likely has dementia.
Anyway, IMO, Andrew’s BS has placed a nasty fat fly in the ointment re: QEII and Charles and how they had planned to play the transition from her to him. I’ve stated it before but I think Charles will be granted the status of Regent pretty soon. I think the DM has recently called him the Shadow King. She’s kinda of done. Natural attrition in some ways. Look at her counterparts in Europe and Asian. I think all of them have stepped down. Hell, a couple of years ago, even Emperor Akihito basically said “y’all, I love you and I loved serving but I’m old. Please let me go. Let me retire to privacy.” She’s one of the last holdouts. If not, THE last.
So, re: photos of her with Andrew, I just see her as doing what she can with the last of what she has to smooth a way for her son, her favorite son–both publicaly and privately. What he was accused of was heinous (definitely glad little kids/young children weren’t involved (I’d definitely feel different)) but she figures “this too shall pass and I need to secure him a safe place.” Mothers? What can you do?
I should have said that QEII looks to be powering down and not stepping down.
Thank you for your comments, and their humanity.
I feel like this might be a performance for 2 people. She did what Charles demanded, but is resentful of her least favorite child demanding she punish her little Andy. So she takes a spoiled petulant Andy our riding to placate him and infuriate Charles. Obviously this is a disaster PR wise but that seems on par for her. Maybe Andrew is her favorite because he is the most like who she wishes she could be (probably minus the rapist proclivities). Maybe they are both spoiled terrible awful people. And maybe this is the Queen having a tantrum.
I feel like most of this is dead on.
God. Not that I feel particularly bad for anyone in that family but imagine being this fool’s sibling. Say what you will about Chuck and Anne but they do work. And mummy continues to slap you in the face publicly by supporting the douche who might bring it all down. Yikes.
@emmy – well put!
Isn’t that always the way in dysfunctional families. This very action is likely the reason Andy has turned out as he has.
Disgusting. But I say let bad PR moves keep happening. The media and RRs will have a harder time shifting the narrative to attack the Sussexes with this crazy happening. Any rational, sane person can see what’s happening when they attack the Sussexes to cover for Prince Nonce.
Charles is starting to look really smart for having started trying to sideline the Yorks before all this became public. I wonder if he knew it was just a matter of time before some bombshell like this blew up in their faces.
I think during the years RF aka the Queen covered a lot of Andrew messes we don’t know, but Charles knows. And he knows TQ covers Andy no matter what.
There’s a Vanity Fair article from 2011 that warned about all of this, so it wasn’t only Charles who knew at some point the s–t would get real.
https://archive.vanityfair.com/article/share/ac60f552-4163-4d39-a36b-d2014fe20062
Lainey over at Lainey Gossip posted it this week.
Some may not remember the late 80s early 90s Royal drama but if you do, then none of this is shocking. Married Fergie topless on a yacht getting her toes sucked in front of her young daughters by her boyfriend was when I knew these people had no scruples and lived very differently than even most celebs. This is criminal of course and disgusting on another level…but hardly shocking.
The entire royal family needs to be kicked to the curb. Meghan and Harry will be fine. Harry has plenty of his own money. They can continue to work on their passion projects, without having to deal with these elitist, entitled, nauseatingly tone deaf idiots. How can they be so completely stupid with the way they are handling this mess with Andrew? They don’t have the good will of the public any more. Most people think that they are obsolete. These staggeringly bad PR moves could be the fatal. They are all so out of touch with reality.
TQ and Prince Nonce riding together in Windsor means Mummy clearly still supports her baby, but Chucky has put the screws to her to keep things in line.
Theory (not totally tinfoil): Chuck finally convinced TQ to fire Andy. He begged Mummy to let him go to Bahrain as planned to keep grifting. She said ok. Chuck found out and called again from New Zealand to quash that.
Andy is working on TQ to get what he wants. There’s gonna be a showdown when Chuck returns.
You said: but Chucky has put the screws to her to keep things in line.
Me: I love that. LOL. I totally agree with you.
She truly is a shrinking monarch. Still a monarch but truly shrinking. I see this as her acting from a place of being a mother more than a monarch. She pulls from her power as monarch to shield Andrew but I see this as more a mother move than anything else. I can hear Andrew working her: “Mummy, you know Charles has never liked me and he’s stingy too. He knows I’m innocent but he’s been waiting on something like this to kick me and the girls out. He’d leave us to starve if everything were up to him.” So, she “knows” she “has” to carve out a place for Andrew because Charles will definitely marginalize him. And all parties–QEII, Charles and Andrew–know that. However, what I think Charles has on his side is “but, mummy, the monarchy; we must save the monarchy” which has its sway with her too. That’s compelling but not as emotionally so IMHO. One is love and the other is duty.
But QEII is not only old but from a different generation altogether. She’s from a generation that has seen death by the masses, isn’t afraid of death, and knows that things, in one form or another, will keep moving long after she’s gone. And she probably has the same attitude that my great-grandmother had “hell, I’ll be dead.”
I agree there is a going to be a battle of wills over Andrew and what he does next. The whole Bahrain thing is so cringeworthy hilarious and I agree that Charles had to put a cancel on that. Andrew loves his all-expenses paid, first class jollies trips overseas and he will be continually and tirelessly looking for a way to keep making those happen.
I just read about the millions he has pulled in by acting as a broker for Kazakh business deals. I’m sure it is just the tip of the iceberg but one thing is for sure he is not going to sit quietly at Royal Lodge when there is more corrupt money out there for him to get his paws on.
Oh my god.
Seriously, OH MY GOD.
The only thing that surprises me about this is that TQ still gets atop a horse at her age. Seems rather risky.
Yeah, absolutely bonkers. I get aches and pains riding. I’m 35. I have no idea how she does it. And if she falls? Almost certain death.
I have an 83 year old aunt who rides, alone too. Every day, practically. And she has fallen (just a few years ago was a nasty one) and survived. Some folks have the genes.
The horses are beautiful. I do wonder who or how she gets hoist up into the saddle. Lol. Cause if at 93 ole girl can still swing her leg over like that . . . hmm. (Big smile)
Absolute train wreck meets dumpster fire meets nuclear explosion. I don’t know whether to laugh or shake my head. Maybe both.
Maybe she totally understands what’s going on, but there is a good chance that mentally she may not be that quick anymore, at the very least. She may have little comprehension about what’s going on. Who really knows what her mental state is now? She’s 95 years old. BP PR statements indicate that she is lucid, but are they being directed personally by her? Who knows how much input she actually has.
How in the flying fuck is that 95 year old woman RIDING A HORSE?!? Granny has proven that she’s physically fit and very spry, but mentally infirm by choosing to spend what free time she has with the horse’s ass… oops I meant her son.
Poor Beatrice. I would hope an elopement would be in her future (given the circumstances an elaborate wedding would be particularly gauche) but I have a feeling Edo is going to jump ship. Also if he doesn’t, Dara should update their custody agreement such that Wolfie never be allowed in Andrew’s presence. Ever.
Unless this ride ended with the Queen quietly garroting Andrew after some choice words about honor duty and representing the Crown, badly done, Lizzie.
Perfect! Betsy wins the internet!
LOVE THIS^^^!
all I can think looking at the photo is…the four horsemen of the apocalypse…
HA, they do look gloomy!
That’s so funny!
haha thanks 🙂 the coats especially, no? ugh this family…
I know she’ll never do it, but it’s past time she abdicated. I’m no huge fan of Prince Charles, but he’s shown far more sense than her in recent years. The Queen has now turned this incident into a referendum on her, not Andrew.
You don’t fire someone and then do a photo op with them the next day. FFS.
“Andrew was given a “beautiful young neurosurgeon” by Jeffrey Epstein. For three days.”
Neursurgeon? I don’t quite understand this.
That’s what I can’t figure out. Wouldn’t a neurosurgeon be off doing neurosurgery?
That definitely doesn’t fit a typical pattern for a trafficked woman. But maybe she was willingly engaged in sex work? Med school is crazy expensive — maybe this was a quick way for her to pay off some of her loans?
@Malificent – you said: “But maybe she was willingly engaged in sex work?”
I’m not giving Andrew a pass here but from some of the accounts I’ve read in following the story not all of the women who surrounded Epstein or who were in that orbit were under-aged or trafficked by him. I have to think of the NY couple that was named in one article I read. She used to be a model (swedish, I think) and now she has a MD. What I’m saying is that he was surrounded by very rich and powerful people. So, Andrew, could have hooked up with someone having that profile in addition to the underage women Epstein kept. If you look at one of the pictures of Epstein, Trump and Melania are featured. I’m just saying.
Yeah that is super weird. Neurosurgeons may certainly be beautiful but they usually aren’t Epstein-compliant levels of young! It’s a long residency after medical school to be a neurosurgeon and very unlikely you could be an under-30 trained neurosurgeon.
@Chelle I know who you are referring to about the NY couple who were very close friends with Epstein, with the wife who was a model and is now a physician. It’s Glenn Dubin, who is a billionaire hedge funder, and Eva Andersson-Dubin. A former house manager for the Dubins came forward to say he had a conversation in their kitchen with a 15 year old girl brought into the house by Epstein who was distraught and shaking and said many troubling things. The house manager said the conversation was cut short when Eva Andersson-Dubin came into the kitchen and said the girl was going to be their new nanny.
@Tourmaline – Yes! That’s it. Thank you. Please correct me if I’m wrong but weren’t they even slow to cut ties with Epstein or something like that after he so-called served time the first time around?
They like all of the others are complicit too.
@Chelle—yes I think they hosted a lot of parties for him after he got out of jail. Also, Virginia Giuffre specifically names Dubin as someone she was ordered to be with by Epstein. I found lots of good articles on them including from Vanity Fair.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/09/glenn-dubin-epstein-questions
Wow! Thank you for the link. I hadn’t read that. I had read about the Wexler connection. Isn’t it weird that he was Epstein’s only client? This goes back a long way. And taking the 15-year old back to Sweden, how did she get here? And how long had she been here? (And people chant build that wall. How about check that manifest?) Trafficked by both Epstein and the Dubins?
At times, I’m not surprised by what people do or how they will turn a blind eye to stuff while at the same time being just astounded and floored by it.
Oh, my! It just gets worse and worse and worse.
I know intellectually that there are many terrible people out there (I live in a big city so I see entitled BS on the daily) but… damn. Just damn.
Those poor girls. And, if there were adult women also being trafficked, all I can say is, we’ve pretty much all been manipulated by evil people.
These pages are full of it. Sometimes you just Want to Believe, and then it all goes sideways.
These )(*&^s were experts at what they did. Find a beautiful, insecure woman and manipulate her. I’m sure it’s generally easier with younger women, but it happened to me in my 40s, and to other friends. And we’ve all heard of older women getting catfished.
Keep your eyes open, dears.
I think these photos make it clear that it was Charles’ decision to make Andrew step back. The Queen has terrible instincts and priorities and will do what she can to support and promote him despite his involvement in the trafficking and rape of teenage girls.
I agree with you. These photo ops are the Queen’s way of saying “I don’t really agree with what was done to Andrew in my name. I went along with it but my hand was forced.”
Well that photo certainly puts paid to the palace PR of a strong and decisive Queen acting to protect the monarchy. I think this photo op was a F**K Y** payback by Queen and Prince Andrew to Charles.
Having a ‘favourite child’ isn’t the sign of a Good Parent, just saying
She’s not a good parent. Charles was right to call her out about that.
The Queen is that parent at the parent-teacher conference refusing to believe that her darling could ever do anything wrong and he’s failing only because the school is not doing a good job.
@Clodagh Thank you for saying this. My in-laws were outspoken about their favorite son (her) and daughter (him). Fifty years later, the non-favorite son is bitter and the non-favorite daughter speaks of this with tears in her eyes. The hurt never goes away.
HM and company really just do not get it do they? They keep showing us their true morals, etc – and time after time and then, one more time for those in the back, time again. In pictures……via the DM. What really more do you need as proof HM backs PA no matter what.
And now I have no choice but to believe them based on their actions to date (including this morning).
Can someone help me out with why a neurosurgeon would need to be a “masseuse”? I’m guessing if she was really one then she was at least 24 or 25…so was she a sugar baby? I just have a hard time believing a brilliant young adult was tricked into trafficking. I understand it can happen to anyone but very rarely educated young surgeons.
Not defending anyone here just curious.
Yeah I said above that I don’t buy that there are many “young neurosurgeons” around. In the US at least you would be hard pressed to find a neurosurgeon who has completed training and is under 30 years old, it is a long training period for that surgical subspecialty. About this beautiful young neurosurgeon “given” to Andrew, I think someone was talking nonsense about that.
Maybe a med student, a lot of them are broke and need cash. But a full fledged neurosurgeon, no way.
I hope they keep doing stuff like this maybe more people will wake up to how they are a waste of space and government funding.
It’s not that the Queen doesn’t have PR instincts. The Queen does. She’s just choosing to use her PR instincts to demonstrate to the world that she doesn’t give a f-ck about anyone except her son, no matter how bad the rest of this looks to the family.
So how many times has she done this for the public now, this whole stepping out with Andrew stuff? How many times does she need to do it in order for people to realize that she supports him, she likely didn’t want him to step away from being a public figure, and that if she had it her way, he’d still be front and center and guzzling tax payer money and raping underage sex-trafficking victims without a gd care in the world?
Tactics vs strategy. She has no strategy.
I’d argue that she has a strategy. And that is to continue to support her son in a public way, as much as possible, in spite of the magnitude of his crimes. She’s been a popular sovereign in the last few years, but the truth is, if she keeps up with this, it will tank her. And yet, I doubt she’ll stop, because she likely sincerely believes that Andrew must be forgiven for his crimes, or just not face consequences for them, or that what he did is just not “that bad.”
You know, you’re right. A suicidal strategy but a strategy nonetheless. Great comment.
Andrew is continuing to work on his entrepreneurial scheme as usual. That doesn’t sound like stepping back to me. So many of those companies have bailed out of this scheme because they didn’t want their companies to be tainted by association with Andrew. Personally I think the Palace is lying about all that stepping back and I bet Andrew never submits to questioning by the FBI either.
She is 93 and anyone suggesting that a woman of her age should suddenly banish her son and not have anything to do with them have a completely simplistic view of things.
I am obsessed with and disgusted by this whole Epstein thing, but even I can use some objective reasoning to see why PR might not be the most important thing to someone her age. She isn’t just going to ditch her son.
Exactly how I see it.
It’s not that she’s has zero political instincts; it’s that she’s actually super entitled and arrogant and knows she can get away with this deliberate show of public support for her fav child (older Brits are well aware of the lord porchester rumours) and people will still see her as a kindly old lady who does her duty to the empire. “and what do u do?” is on my reading list. It’s by an ex. Minister (Norman Baker) and sets out just how much the uk royals scrunge from the public.
This photo screams fuck you Prince Charles and the rest of the world.
As a mother, the queen is perfectly entitled to support her son and believe in him. However, as head of state, she should not be seen to publicly condone his behaviour.
It shows a massive lack of respect for Epstein’s victims, other victims of similar crimes and also for the British public who keep the royals in their privileged positions.
The queen is not and never has been a sweet old lady. She is cold and detached and only interested in keeping her position. Check the history books. She is only revered at the moment because of her longevity. Over the years she has made many PR mistakes and stuck her head in the sand over difficult family issues.
This is exactly how it is. The queen is a massively spoiled woman who does what she wants.
At the end of the day, the Queen is this….A 90 something year old woman. And this is her son. She will love him and she will not forsake him. And I’m not going to judge that. I’m just not.
Now everyone else on the world can kick his sorry @$$ all the way to hell and I’m not going to blink an eye or judge that either. No way, no how.
I cant believe all the comments here trying to frame themselves as heroes for supporting a rapist. Not even a shred of admittance that they shouldn’t. Just blustering superior defensiveness. They are the comment equivalent of this rain ride. An archetypal dysfunction.