Donald Trump has been impeached. I’m still enjoying a residual Impeachmas season joy, and I’m trying not to worry too much – right now – about the upcoming shenanigans in the Republican-controlled Senate, which I’m sure will be mind-numbingly terrible. Until then, I’ve been enjoying the dog-pile from print media, with editorial boards across the country chiming in about how Donald Trump needed to be impeached, and now he needs to be removed from office by the Senate. Yesterday, Christian Today’s editorial board published their editorial too: “Trump Should Be Removed from Office.” The editorial includes this:
…The facts in this instance are unambiguous: The president of the United States attempted to use his political power to coerce a foreign leader to harass and discredit one of the president’s political opponents. That is not only a violation of the Constitution; more importantly, it is profoundly immoral.
The reason many are not shocked about this is that this president has dumbed down the idea of morality in his administration. He has hired and fired a number of people who are now convicted criminals. He himself has admitted to immoral actions in business and his relationship with women, about which he remains proud. His Twitter feed alone—with its habitual string of mischaracterizations, lies, and slanders—is a near perfect example of a human being who is morally lost and confused.
Trump’s evangelical supporters have pointed to his Supreme Court nominees, his defense of religious liberty, and his stewardship of the economy, among other things, as achievements that justify their support of the president. We believe the impeachment hearings have made it absolutely clear, in a way the Mueller investigation did not, that President Trump has abused his authority for personal gain and betrayed his constitutional oath. The impeachment hearings have illuminated the president’s moral deficiencies for all to see. This damages the institution of the presidency, damages the reputation of our country, and damages both the spirit and the future of our people. None of the president’s positives can balance the moral and political danger we face under a leader of such grossly immoral character.
It’s an okay read, and they give Trump some points, saying that the Democrats have had it out for Trump from the start, and that they still want to be welcoming to all Christians across the political spectrum. But that their charter, as founded by Billy Graham, was to speak on important matters of faith and morality. It’s a big deal, and Christian Today is considered an influential media source for the Evangelical/Baptist community. So of course Trumo had a sh-t fit. And of course he mislabeled the acronym – WHICH IS JUST TWO LETTERS – and turned CT into ET. ET being Entertainment Tonight, of course. Such malarkey.
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Long overdue.
WAY overdue… but I’m also afraid their words won’t alter the base one iota. They are *WAY* more concerned in stacking the courts and stopping women’s reproductive rights over any “moral compass” or “democracy” issues.
Totally agree. My in-laws visited last weekend and they are crazy trump lovers, my FIL is the worst. He started bringing stuff up to my husband once again about trump because everything leads back to talking about him. Anyway, he started spouting off about abortion and how trump is so conservative and doing the most to stop babies being murdered and how great it is. I have always said that that is their number one thing and no matter what he does as long as he is actively trying to stop abortion for any reason they will rabidly support him.
Yep. The base knows that they are winning on the issues they care about–driving all of the federal judiciary sharply right, gutting regulations, making climate change a joke, emboldening white patriarchy. They are truly anti-democracy when you come down to it–many would be delighted to make Trump the first king of America and to make America a fascist dystopia. So no, the good people at Christianity Today do not speak for his base.
And @MelM you are so right—if Hi-tler himself came back to life as long as he was anti-abortion, anti-LGBTQ, anti-immigrant and refugee, modern Republicans would snatch him up to their bosoms in a HEARTBEAT without question or pause.
I have a FB friend from high school who considers himself a good Christian. He has spoken to me about his faith, but was always kind and non-judgy about my different views. And then Trump happened.
In between his “all they want is complete gun eradication” and “I am a true American” BS, he also managed to slide in a post about RBG being in the hospital again – and how happy that made him. How the pious have fallen.
@MelM
That’s the same strategy that Bush used (actually Bush’s henchmen, because Bush was little more than a marionette). They know that as long as they’ve got the Christian evangelicals on their side they get to win – except this time they really didn’t win but they won anyway because of the idiotic electoral college.
As long as the jerks who don’t give a damn either way about abortion come out against abortion they’re gonna get the evangelicals no matter what they do – including shooting someone in cold blood during daylight in New York City, and breaking laws that Republicans and conservatives say arent laws and if they ARE laws he has the RIGHT to break them because, you know, he’s THE PRESIDENT. 🙄
I could use a dose of positive thinking this morning. Fissures crack and become chasms. This might actually shake the Republican party. Then again, it might be more more bs. 🤞
I agree with you! Walls are closing in on him…
Having evangelicals call for his removal is incredibly dangerous for Trump and he knows it.
Per Twitter: Graham’s son had “disavowed” this editorial. Because of course.
I’m taking this as a good thing. The Evangelical support for him is truly baffling, as is anyone claiming he has any “Christian” values. I’m hoping things like this add up, and maybe some of those people start to fall away from him.
The die hards won’t though, there are people who have gone full on NUTS in support of him, but they’re a lot cause.
I’m loving that George Conway has a new nickname for Trump: IMPOTUS
Even if George Conway is part of scam with Kellyanne, I am all for his non stop criticism of impotus. It drives dump crazy and that’s all that matters.
@ Mel M. : I have said it here before but I feel the Trump supporting evangelicals in the US sold their souls in exchange for “proper” appointments to the Supreme Court. They changed their faith into Evangelical Inc. and sold out for corporate favours – i.e. stacking the Supreme Court in their favour. There is a lot of talk in that crowd of being patient and waiting for “God’s time” for things to happen (in this case, the rolling back abortion rights, same-sex rights, etc.) and how God’s time (or timing) can’t be rushed. But I guess they got tired of waiting. Then Trump came along and showed them a short cut to what they wanted and they just couldn’t resist.
I do not paint all American evangelicals as being like this but I do think this is how some of them justify their support for Trump. And I say this as someone is “born again” and personally attends a Baptist church every Sunday. I am a woman of faith but I’m sure as hell not putting any faith in people like Donald Trump.
@StillSarah
Yes to all you said!
In any case, it is important. I am not Christian or religious at all, but for genuinely religious people to just sit back and watch how this scumbag of hypocrisy invoke religion on his own behalf, should be as watching their church burning. Religious people who feel like their faith is at risk with many turning away from religion in the secular world are the firsts who should stand up to Trump because in the long run he will do way more damage to their cause than anything else, the reasons for that are quite well outlined here. Also what’s will always saying how his critics are doing “not very well”. They are not getting impeached, he has.
LMAO, like he’s ever even heard of CT/ET, let alone read it. I can’t, just can’t, with his tweets anymore. Holy hell.
I heard this story early this morning on the radio and was amazed and a little heartened, until they said Franklin Graham is condemning the editorial and once again I feel like nothing matters.
Right. Like he reads. And the editorial does little to smooth my feathers. I knew this would be a shit show in 2016. And I fought for my stance in the face of delusion and derision. I’m happy I don’t have to waffle.
Is Franklin Graham the one being blackmailed by his pool boy with pics of him and his wife with the pool boy or am I thinking of another disgraced evangelical?
At any rate: who cares what he thinks. The Evangelicals have shown (again) who they are. Of course they’ve been telling us who they are at least since Operation Rescue in the 90s.
That would be him. And that’s why I feel like nothing matters. The deplorables are all over the editorial like rabid dogs and if I were the guy who wrote it I’d be scared.
Jerry Falwell Jr. is the one w/ the pool boy and racy pics of his wife floating around.
When it all comes out in the wash, we will find out Franklin Graham has been laundering money for Putin for years.
Wouldn’t surprise me a bit. But man when will it all finally come out? Sigh.
Him saying he would never read “ET” again implies that he can…ya know….read. Yet another lie.
Exactly. I am an English teacher and reading Trump’s Twitter comments makes me cringe. Grammar dies a sad and lonely death at the hands of that man and spelling isn’t far behind.
Pretty sure “I’ll never read x again” is code for “all my supporters should never read x again” The man only operates in threats and insults
And Christianity Today becomes Fake News!!! in three, two, one…
It won’t count worth a rat’s ass to the Old Testamenters who have substituted donald trump for Jesus as their god.
He’s just tweeted that it’s a “far left magazine.” Ffs.
They are always far left or fake when it doesn’t fit his narrative. I hope george conway’s constant baiting sends that turd back to Walter Reed.
Too little, too late. It would have been a meaningful editorial if it had come out before the election when he admitted to sexually assaulting women.
IIRC, CT did come out against Trump when the Access Hollywood tape came out. It just wasn’t news back then.
Or when he implement family separation. Or a million other horrible things he’s done.
Definitely too little too late, but I’ll take what we can get at this point.
@Chaine: They did. Christianity Today is a much better gauge of “the pulse” of evangelical thought in America than the mainstream media, which boils everything down to political platform talking points. CT has been up Trump’s hind end since day one, and many of us (American Christians who claim the title “evangelical”) have been, as well. Still Sarah, upthread, nailed it with her evaluation of things, in my opinion.
The conversations I had over and over again with family in 2016 about the vote were focused, for them, on the Supreme Court. They bought that mess hook, line, and sinker. For a TON of Christians in America who vote as part of a “bloc,” that was the single-issue vote.
But CT DID publish articles about Trump and his lack of moral credibility as early as 2016.
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2016/october-web-only/speak-truth-to-trump.html
Many prominent “public” Christian voices went up against Trump in 2016, but that didn’t suit the narrative of Left v. Right and “we should all be angry with one another and dehumanize one another for more clicks on social media,” so it wasn’t covered.
I can’t help but think this is a big deal. Especially the way he’s trying to downplay it. It’s the first crack—and a big one—in the slavish evangelical support he’s enjoyed. I wonder if this is Pence’s doing—taking his shot before it all goes down in flames.
Yes! Agreed!!
Two things: 1.) Yes, it is a big deal. 2.) The support he receives from famous people who shove their “evangelical” title in everyone’s face on television is a grave concern and hurt (and betrayal) to MANY of us out here with no television cameras at hand who also claim to be evangelical Christians.
I didn’t vote for that man, and I never will. I tried my hardest in 2016 to discuss it with absolutely everyone I knew. I ran myself ragged talking about Jesus and what he says about various political talking points that Trump was diametrically opposed to.
So, there are SOME evangelicals in this country who “slavishly” adore Trump. No doubt. But there are just as many of us who don’t, and nobody with a platform speaks for us….EXCEPT Christianity Today magazine. They have always had at least someone writing from a perspective that accurately represents me. For that, I have been very grateful. Unfortunately, CT’s writing doesn’t get much mileage outside of the evangelicals who read it. The only reason it’s getting publicity now is because Trump chose to drunk-tweet about it.
Finally…. this might just be the push the GOP needs to push the Donald out.
Personally (Brit here recovering from our own shit show), I don’t think the impeachment with affect Trump’s ability to secure a second term. If anything it will embolden his supporters and make then double down as they view any attack on Trump as a personal attack on themselves.
Instead I think he will be re-elected and then removed by the GOP, whom by now have large amounts of compromat on him and will then vote to remove him from office. But they will secure re-election first…
Essentially I am predicting that Trump will be the first US President to be impeached TWICE.
As much as I would love to see that happen, being impeached twice, I hope he doesn’t get re-elected for it to happen. Did anyone watch the debates last night? Was it just another sh*t show?
Amy and Pete were the winners last night. Bernie sounded like a cranky old man. Biden couldn’t finish sentences.
ET actually makes the most sense. Since most of the time he sounds like his brain is on another planet and his followers (or at least a good amount of them) would believe anything he tells at them, including aliens being his #1 supporters.
Too little, too late, but I’d still prefer to see this happen late than never.
Even if it chips away at only a small percentage, every little bit will help.
It isn’t late. It’s just the first time the larger media reported on it…and the only reason they did is because Trump got testy and tweeted about it. CT has been writing about the moral problems with Trump’s presidency since before he was elected.
I think this is significant albeit later than it should have been. I hope this shakes some of the evangelicals and I think it might.
That top pic is so funny to me! His face! Bahahaha!!!
OMG THAT PICTURE!!!! I bust out laughing!! You ALWAYS choose the BEST pictures of this buffoon, Kaiser!
I have a lot of friends in various throes of evangelical Christianity, and this article yesterday was HUGE for them. It was posted no fewer than five friends’ walls, and there were a lot of excellent discussions about the Christian’s role in calling out abuse and dishonesty. There were a lot of discussions happening, and comments being made by previously pro-Trump supporters. In outside circles it probably seems minor, but this was a big thing to a lot of people, and opens the door to talking about some of these issues.
I’m not a religious person, but I don’t understand how anyone who calls themselves a Christian can still support him. I know evangelicals largely lean Republican but their support of him is so hypocritical. He is an immoral person both by Christian standards and by regular social standards He’s also a criminal. I’m glad to hear there is an evangelical backlash. Hopefully it only grows and strengthens. This is a lot of his base and they need to wake up and see the light.
And that’s just it! Jesus was all about helping those who needed it, spreading love and understanding. I did the whole sunday school, christian summer camp thing, and used to genuinely believe in what I was reading. But at some point I came to the whole “So if there is a god they’re either unable to stop some pretty horrific things, or he’s cool with all the horrific stuff” kind of feelings as a teenager, and neither option was something I was able to feel comfortable with.
But of course, there are SO many people who use religion as a way to further themselves and their agendas. So they’ll focus on the things they hate being horrible sins, while the sins they’re committing are fine and dandy. And of course there are absolutely wonderful amazing people who are religious – and I love plenty of them. But at the end of the day it’s really an institution that seems to easily breed a lot of hate and abuse if the wrong people are running things.
I truly hope that this woke up some of the ones that have been turning a blind eye. Noodle’s post does give me a little bit of hope.
” “So if there is a god they’re either unable to stop some pretty horrific things, or he’s cool with all the horrific stuff”
You clued in faster than I did, Erinn. Even with the childhood from hell, I held out hope until my late twenties. Silly me. I’ve seen far too much cruelty towards people and animals to ever believe there is a benevolent being looking out for us.
It was the story about ‘soldiers’ in a village where all the children had been inoculated. These soldiers cut off the arm that had been inoculated of every child in the village. There was a little pile of arms in the center of the village.
There is no god.
This is how I’ve always felt. I mean he’s an awful, horrible President. But beyond that, he’s just a really bad human being. He has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. He treats everyone around him like crap and has no empathy at all. I went to Sunday School when I was young and his values are nothing like what I learned, so yeah, religious support of him is cognitive dissonance of the highest order.
I totally agree. I grew up in an extremely conservative EV household. I hesitate to call it fundamentalist, but in today’s standards, it probably was. It was the kind of home where we were expected to do missionary work (which I did as a teen and young adult). Now that I am out of that environment, I see how insular it is. Most of the people with whom I was/am close just want to love Jesus and believe that being anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage is the way to do it. They don’t have people in their lives presenting the other side, at least not in a way that may be persuasive. It’s an echo chamber, and if you hear the other side, often it serves to entrench you more strongly into your position. Now, all that to say, my friends are not the racist, douche-bros you see at a lot of Trump rallies; truly, they are kind-hearted people who want desperately to follow Jesus, and don’t have, or don’t seek out, opportunities to engage with people with other opinions. There are a few Christian moderates and “leftists” speaking out (John Pavlovitz, Jen Hatmaker, ), but they are few and far between. What it is going to take to change anything is more and more people from the inside speaking out, and speaking out using terms and ideas that appeal to the EV majority. Bashing them with information or name-calling isn’t going to work; it’s a chipping away bit by bit, slowly and with intention. This position by CT is HUGE because it is a very-well-regarded EV publication (well, at least it was, and I imagine it will not be seen that way by as many people after yesterday), from whom people within this group get information and form opinions.
I know it’s easy to look at people within this group and wonder how they can justify babies in cages at the border and support policies that continue to oppress people, especially POC, LGBTQ+, etc, and I totally agree with you. The thing is, if they are ever going to “see the light”, it is going to be slow and painful. I am committed to engaging with them online and asking questions from an EV POV (I still have a bit of cred there and most of them don’t really know my beliefs about a lot of things because it would cut off contact and that would be counter-productive).
I liken it to someone who grows up in an abusive home, then marries someone abusive. They are so enmeshed in the cycle that they can’t see outside of their reality. Once they do leave, we don’t bash them over the head and ask “what took so long?”, we say we are glad they saw the light and was able to escape.
@noodle, excellent post!
Noodle, that was such a good post, and I completely agree with you about the insular environment. I don’t know how old you are, but you’re right in that it has to come from within, but it’s not happening. I fought late 70s and through the 80s. First Baptist Church was insulating its families in a border town. The population was pretty much 85 to 90% Hispanic. Who are…. Catholics.
In the beginning, I wasn’t listened to because I was too young to understand. Sure. All my friends down at the Catholic Church are hell-dwelling heathens. Then as a teen, I was being rebellious and needed to be in the center of prayer circles with hands laying on me for healing the devil out of me. Now at this point, I want to let you know, the adults here are doctors, nurses, teachers, restauranteurs, store owners, insurance salesmen, librarians… Every single time I asked questions, I was met with derision, exasperation WITH ME that they needed to explain! It was absurd. Bottom line, the final comment became a constant, “You just have to have faith dear.” Well bless my f#cking heart. I needed to start saving for a time share in hell.
Needless to say, the summer following high school graduation, I fled to college. Where did my parents send me? Baylor University. So convenient! I had spent several summers there for two-week intense Bible studies. My first year, I had to take old and new testaments. I was lost. These people are generally nice, but there were twin boys (First Baptist preacher’s kids from a very large metropolitan city church) who had stolen a headstone from a little girl at a local cemetery. They gave her birthday and deathday parties every year. I’m pretty sure most of you are aware about the athletic department horrors. This campus was scary beneath the prattling and pearl-clutching.
But sure, not all Christians are evil, but they all seem to be a bit deaf and a bit blind. Afraid of what? Ridicule? Not eating a proper Chick-fil-A or not having your cake decorated by someone who thinks exactly like you?? I honestly don’t have anymore time in my life for this. I’ve tried. Since I was a child I tried, and I was mocked, ridiculed, prayed over, sent away, branded a troublemaker, and for what? For asking about other religions across the planet. For asking about the inequalities of global humans. Why our tiny little white congregation was the only right place to be. Hearing that and watching it delivered with straight faces drove. Me. Insane. But I now look to other like-minded peoples to keep trying if they continue going to church. I said I’d never step in another church the rest of my life. Praise JESUS my oldest is getting married on a beach!
Thank you so much for your post Noodle! These conversations should never stop.
Your post was very powerful too, Mabs. I could feel your frustration, pain and eventual rage all the way through it.
Thank you for sharing that Noodle, it is good to hear.
That’s really good to hear.
Graham’s son, a huge MAGAT is out screaming that the magazine is wrong and people must still support Trump.
Franklin Graham is an opportunist. He borrows his father’s ethos, without adopting any of the humanitarian values his father espoused. Trumps ascendance was fortuitous for him, and he hitched his wagon to this dude, come hell or high water. He will never disavow him, because doing so would mean admitting he was wrong, and his pride prevents that.
CT wants Pence as President. Which is something that has always worried. Bigly is bad, but Pence and Mother could be worse.
That worries me as well Busyann, Pence and especially Mother scare me more than Trump does.
what’s up with mother? the pro life laws?
Yup, Mother’s Husband is absolutely their man. I think you’re on to something here.
That’s exactly it. My heart actually sunk into my stomach when I first saw this headline because Pence is so dangerous.
He’s terrible for sure, but has no cult following. I can’t see him ever being elected on his own.
And here I thought the multiple accusations of rape and children dying in cages would be the most obviously immoral aspects of his presidency…
RIGHT?!?!?!??!?!??!??!?!?!?!!?
Like E Jean Carroll’s incredibly believable account of her rape *shrug*
Children being murdered in American Concentration camps *shrug*
All the name calling and terrible things he says *shrug*
Like if they didn’t care about those I don’t understand how this was what finally did it but if it does open their eyes I’m glad for it.
or, you know…the mocking of a disabled person. That right there should have ended it.
The desensitization of Americans to Trump’s unhinged and threatening reign has made me completely cynical and pessimistic. However, this feels big for some reason.
CT is taking a big risk calling out Trump. Especially now when battle lines are so deep as to be unfathomable. I assume their audience is traditionally Republican/right leaning, and for better or for worse Republicans are in charge now, wouldn’t they want to maintain that? Instead, they have chosen to call out the man at the top, for his hypocrisy and complete lack of moral character, which I applaud them for. They will probably lose readership and subscribers. Will they gain as many, if not more? No idea, but it’s a business and that has to have been part of the discussion on whether or not to publish this editorial.
Trump doesn’t have any sense of nuance or subtlety, so of course he’ll lash out. They knew he would. I don’t think this was done to sway an election, but to truly stand up for what they believe to be true. I am not Christian, but man, this editorial makes me feel just a little less cynical today.
Oh, this and that little thing called getting IMPEACHED!
Happy holidays to you all from snowy Canada!
I am a Christian and I agree. This move by CT finally admits publicly what all thinking people of faith have known; you just can not be a Christian and admire or support Trump. He will now prove this by going on the attack and being his usual crude, immoral self. I am not an Evangelical, just a regular Protestant, but I’ve been so disheartened by their support for Trump. He is the farthest thing possible from someone who should be admired. The Bible says that a few days before his death, Jesus went to the temple where he saw the money-lenders doing business. The story says that Jesus threw the money-lenders (or money-changers) out of the temple, and he said that the temple should be a house of faith and prayer, not a den of thieves. Trump would be the head thief in that scenario, the one sitting under a banner advertising his name and rates. CT just did the equivalent of this story by outing that head thief Trump, and recognizing his “ grossly immoral character”. I certainly hope that there are Senators who will be worried by this article, and that they will begin to worry about being identified with Trump.
You are spot on. People within the EV community generally avoid media that isn’t “Christian”. They listen to praise music and read James Dobson articles. They are not getting a balanced view of issues like we do. If they do hear any anti-Trump information, it generally serves to entrench them further into their positions because it doesn’t come with the context that makes the most sense to them. This article was by a Christian publication, by a Christian author, with Christian context. From my perspective, it was most persuasive and effective method to approach the EV community.
Agreed. And it’s not a whippersnapper “progressive” magazine. It is read by the heart of evangelicals. This is huge.
I’m not American, and doubt that the editorial will have any effect on his supporters. “He who is convinced against his will is of the sane opinion still”, or however it goes. His supporters are rabid and stubborn and will dig their heels in and envelop him, figuratively, to show even stronger belief and support of him. The Flat Earth Society is not easily swayed.
On a tangent, how do you guys feel about reports that the Democrats will delay the senate hearings – good strategy or not? Also, now that he has been impeached, will it have any bearing on his ability to run in 2020?
…and are they delaying the Senate hearings just to screw with his head? If it keeps him in a low-grade, non-stop temper tantrum I’m good with that.
Me too.
Pelosi has played all this very, very well, and I’m going to trust her judgment on this.
I’m fine with the hearings being delayed. Turtle McConnell’s hands need to be forced to conduct the Senate Trial as fairly as possible, especially seeing as though he already alluded to the vote being along party lines and the outcome, Trump’s acquital, already an almost certainty.
I may be wrong, but Trump would be banned from running for office again if he is removed from office, but if he is acquitted, it’s business as usual. He’ll just have the taint of being impeached.
Thank you for the replies. Yes, I’m also fine with the delay messing with his black soul and putrid mind. So, if the Democrats delay the hearing as long as possible, will it affect his eligibility to run, since he is awaiting the senate hearings? Sorry to be a pest, but your system is so different to ours, and it’s interesting to hear opinions of real American people.
Watching Nancy Pelosi is like watching a chess grand master, and she knows that the delay will hang over him and will drive him crazier than he already is. I think this will be entertaining and I look forward to watching NP work. And unfortunately, no delay can affect DT’s ability to run. In fact, the delay would never last anywhere near that long…just long enough to mess with his mind!
I now characterize American Christians as either Jimmy Carter Christians (kind, non-judgmental, perform acts of service) or Trump Christians (white nationalist misogynists). CT is appealing to the latter but will only have traction with the former, who were never in Trump’s camp to begin with.
THIS 100%!
That’s a good way of putting it!
I am so sure Trump is usually a devoted reader of Christianity Today, spending time reflecting on the articles and praying for discernment.
I have a couple major Trump supporter friends on FB, where I posted a scathing rebuke of the GOP comparing Trump’s trial to the trial of Jesus. They still thought the impeachment was bunk, but they agreed that comparing him to Jesus was ridiculous.
These are the supporters who might change their minds… not because of CT but because Trump may eventually upset them by doing things like calling CT a far left and progressive publication. They know that’s not true. They are dumb, not stupid.
Trump may eventually get so crazy he calls himself God (I’m counting the days till it happens) and these folks will not accept another God.
Trump and his ilk aren’t real Christians and don’t know real Christianity/Christians. That might be their downfall.
I get lost in the “logic”. Christian = Graham Family allegiance + guns, Trump and illiteracy. We don’t need no edumaction.
This is huge and it’s getting a bit of traction.
It’s definitely a crack in the church support. I would say my southern church and my church going friends represent the same divide you see in the polls – 40% love Trump and 60% do not. One problem was in 2016… Hillary was too divisive with this group and so many people stayed home. Another problem is that 60% is just not that politically active. If we could get 20% of those good-hearted but non-voting Christians to show up next November… I don’t know. This op-ed made me feel better for the first time in a while.
Bossip wondered if President Obama was trolling drumpt by playing golf in Hawaii the day drumpf got impeached. Obama is a very classy man, but one with a sense of humor and irony. I hope to hell he was trolling that -sshole. Just love it. Lastly, Obama was wearing a festive pink-purple shirt. Just yes to classy shade.
If Jesus was here he’d support Medicare for All
The GOP will never get rid of Trump because they are afraid of his cult. Also he has given both the GOP and the Evangelicals what they have sought for the last 20 years: absolute power and control of the Federal courts for the next 40 years. Even Regan and Bush weren’t able to do that.
https://youtu.be/n-bGUBoxTsg
Huh, I would have thought his affairs would have clued them in to how immoral Donald Trump is. But het, that’s just screwing over women, they’re ok w that
My jaw fell on the floor when this editorial came out. I grew up evangelical and republican and go to a baptist church. But I’ve changed views A LOT especially since the 2016 election. I’ve been yelling into a void about this dude for 5 years and honestly I feel like MAYBE this magazine that they all read will make a dent. I have friends on Facebook changing their profile pictures to “trump 2020” and it’s just baffling. But my close friends, church friends now (versus growing up and college) are all against trump and everything he stands for. Even the ones who voted for him once; they all regret it to some degree.
A lot of people think this is too little too late. My POV is if this keeps him from being re-elected then it is worth it. I’m glad CT said something. Franklin makes me sick, he’s sold his soul to the altar of Trump and made a mockery of Christianity. I don’t understand how any Christian can support him. I say this with family members that do. It’s hard. But they get their news from one side. And CT is usually one of those sources, so it may have an impact.
Considering how many people have pretty much gotten away with murder in the US within the last few years, my bet is nothing will happen to Trump and he will win another term. Trump isn`t the problem, as much as the sheer number of Americans that share his views, or support him because it benefits them in some way, or want him to go even further. Trump appeals to the fascist inclinations of too many voters, though they probably wouldn`t characterize themselves as such. Fear politics over the last 10 years or so has steadily eroded a lot of good in the US and imo there`s currently no one strong enough to take that on. I actually see the US eventually becoming an American-styled police state, a theocracy-democracy, easily within the next 20 years. You could go back further in history, but even if you start with Lincoln and his assassination, the seeds have always been there and now they`re flourishing again, stronger than ever.
This is huge, bigly as Mr. Trump would say. Could wipe out, possibly a quarter of his supporters and benefit us dramatically. Good news indeed.