Greta Gerwig: ‘We should all be breast feeding each other’s children’

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Greta Gerwig covers the February issue of Elle UK. It’s mostly to promote Little Women, but sure, she was probably awards-hustling too. Even though Gerwig was snubbed for a Best Director nomination, she did get nominated for Adapted Screenplay, plus LW was nominated for Best Picture (even though Oscar-voting dudes didn’t even watch it at screenings). Plus, I just think it’s a little bit funny how Greta has put herself front-and-center for all of the LW promotion and awards-hustling. It wasn’t this way with Lady Bird – Gerwig was not on multiple magazine covers and in the centerpiece of the awards campaign. What’s different this time? I don’t even know. So, you can read the full Elle piece here. She talks a lot about being postpartum and breastfeeding and Louisa May Alcott. Some highlights:

Her family didn’t have a TV when she was growing up: ‘I recently read a test in the back of a book, to see if you have ADHD, that asked if, when you were a kid, you changed the radio station all the time. In our car it was a dial and I knew all the stations well enough that I could turn the dial without looking, and my parents were like, “Stop doing that!” But I just kept thinking, Maybe there’s a better song on another station. Or now, I’ll play the same song repeatedly, until it finally doesn’t give me that dopamine hit.’

She can go into a consumption-zone: She says she once read the entire set of seven Harry Potter books in a single weekend. ‘Everyone who works with me can attest to this – I go into a zone where I don’t wash or return calls and I go feral. I can go into hyperfocus as well as becoming more scattered.’ She thinks she would have been good in a newsroom. ‘I like things that have a great deal of pressure and a lot of deadlines, because I need it.’

On Louisa May Alcott and whether she was a lesbian. ‘She said something along the lines of, “I have half a mind to think I’m a man born into a woman’s body, where I’ve fallen in love with half a dozen pretty girls and never once felt that way about a man.” Well there’s a name for that!’ says Gerwig, noting that Jo’s character clearly shared that view. ‘But it felt reductive to assign something [like lesbianism] to her in an explicit way. She was a person who was conflicted about being a woman and what that meant.’

On babies: ‘Babies are in a hallucination the whole time and when they make eye contact with you, there’s this kind of joy – Oh my God, someone else is in here, too! – and then they go away again into their hallucinatory world. That’s pretty interesting to be around. He’s a good little baby – I could look at his face all day. I really like him.’

Nannies and the feeding schedule: She is keen to stress that she and Baumbach have paid help. ‘There’s no way I could do it without that help, as well as my mother and my friends,’ she says, muttering, ‘3:50, 5:25, 6:45…’ to herself before adding, ‘Sorry, I’m just doing the math of when I can do the next pump.’ She also has a close friend who is nursing who she has swapped breast milk with, and thinks it’s the natural way. ‘We should all be breast feeding each other’s children, because actually it builds up the immune system.’

Motherhood is living in denial: ‘Whatever you were prepared for, none of it is how you think, as far as I can tell. There has to be a certain amount of denial that goes on. After my friends threw me a baby shower I got given nursing bras and, while putting stuff away afterwards, I remember thinking, I’ll keep my regular bras out as well because I’ll use those sometimes, too. Like when? When is the time if they’re eating every hour and a half? You have to believe that, alongside your new life, your older life is going to continue – and then you realise with stunning clarity that that’s not true. I think you have to not know that, to be able to do it.’

[From Elle]

I think that’s probably a nice way of describing how motherhood changes one’s life and the denial it takes before, during and after the pregnancy. It’s crazy that we, as a species, continue to breed, right? Everything changes and the only thing keeping humankind from extinction is an evolutionary quirk of denial. As for swapping breast milk… I’m always reading articles about women donating their breastmilk and how there’s a low-key industry in breastmilk. But… does swapping breastmilk really build up an immune system? I’m really asking.

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  1. ThEHufflepuffLizLemon says:

    I’m flagging this to come back as I’m curious if this is a thing. None of my friends were breastfeeding at the same time as me, and my friends who have been never mentioned swapping. Maybe it’s a trendy celebrity or East Coast thing? I’m in the Bible Belt, where breasts aren’t supposed to exist. 🤷🏻‍♀️

    • Escondista says:

      I’m actually breastfeeding as I’m reading this! I think breastfeeding is hard for most modern women because we are quite unnaturally isolated. If you need to feed a newborn every 1-3 hours for a solid month, you should be able to hand the baby off to someone so you can sleep in between without worry. Most second time moms are thrilled to send baby to the nursery in the hospital because it’s the last time they might get rest in between feedings.
      But breastfeeding each other’s kids? Nah not something I know of here in Austin. There are breastmilk donation centers though!

      • The Other Katherine says:

        HIV can be passed via breast milk, plus different mothers have different tolerances for what medications, etc., they’re willing to put in their bodies while breastfeeding. And some babies get colic if the mother eats certain foods. I’m not sure exactly what screening is done by breastmilk banks, but I imagine it’s pretty stringent as a lot of the milk is used for preemies. Personally, I wouldn’t be comfortable swapping kids for breastfeeding even with a close friend just because of the opportunities for misunderstandings and even hard feelings. Not judging people who do it, assuming they are having open and frank discussions about stuff like HIV status and risk factors, but I would not have done it when I was breastfeeding, even though I had ample supply.

  2. Blu says:

    Nurse here. Breast milk does adapt for antibodies needed by a baby if they are sick, which is great. I’m not sure about the rest of what she said.

  3. Millennial says:

    It’s a nice thought but everyone’s diet is so different, I don’t know how it would work in this day and age. Many babies can’t take breast milk from moms who eat dairy or wheat, for example. And I’m over here consuming the maximum amount of coffee allowed every day, and a lot of moms would have issues feeding their baby that.

  4. AIDEVEE says:

    I guess it may help to expose the infant gut to an ever expanding bacterial flora? Apparently vaginal births are good for that too. I don’t think I could ever have done that though, not least because I could barely produce enough for my child let alone other peoples’!

    • Arpeggi says:

      Yeah, it might slightly increase the diversity of the gut microbiome thanks to the different skin microbiomes, but there are other ways to reach that goal too (babies put everything in their mouth after all!).

      In terms of immunity, only some antibodies travel through the breast milk and it gives transient immunity against whatever bug they were raised against. But it’s only transient, the immune cells that produces them don’t travel (which is good, it’d be non-self and seen as a threat by the baby’s developing immune system). I know there have been wetnurses and that babies have been fed breastmilk from other women throughout history because of famine and malnourishment but in this day and age, it seems unnecessary and potentially dangerous. There are cases were it could be useful, premmies for instance, but no, I wouldn’t swap milk with my friends

  5. Chickaletta says:

    That is putting a lot of trust in a friend, that’s all I’m going to say about that.

    • Eliza_ says:

      I donated before. And you are very throughly screened. Friend to friend, yeah, that’s a lot of trust. Then again I’m super paranoid about nursing and the babies intake, I don’t even drink even with all the studies saying it’s fine after a few hours.

      • Ylajali says:

        Studies show that you don’t even have to wait before breastfeeding, though probably best not to handle a baby when you’re off your tits.

  6. Aang says:

    I think it’s pretty common for women in traditional cultures to breastfeed children that are not their own. Especially among extended family. Then there’s the whole grotesquely exploitative practice of wet nursing. One must assume that the babies left behind when a poor women went to the big house to feed a rich woman’s child were fed by someone. I’m guessing a sister, cousin, neighbor?

  7. SM says:

    Thinking from the evolutionary perspective, the question of why humans as a special continue to breed has no sense, evolutionary breeding is the key form of preserving a certain kind of species from disappearing and hence prevailing.
    I know my mom would give out milk because I was premature and did not eat much. It has an effect on immune system if the other mother can not breastfeed and has to use formula. Not sure it does have an effect otherwise.
    But why does Noah always look like he is on death row in pictures?

  8. Scal says:

    I don’t know about immune benefits-but when I was feeding every 90 minutes with my oldest I longed for a wet nurse so I could get some sleep. The baby hated the bottle.

    • Escondista says:

      My daughter just hit 6 weeks and for most of those weeks I’ve been up every 2 hours. Last night she slept a 6 hour block, Fed, and then a 5 hour block and I woke up drenched in breastmilk … and well rested! Now to figure out how to get this magic again!

  9. Boxy Lady says:

    What’s the difference in Greta’s hustle? I honestly think (and this may sound terrible to some here) the difference is Noah. This year he has his own movie that is picking up a lot of awards and there may be a sense of competition there. Like, hey I’m here too, I wrote and directed a movie too! Plus there’s the added angle that they are romantic partners who are both writer-directors with their own respective projects and that’s a fairly rare situation.

    • emme says:

      @boxlady

      Noah & Greta are co-writing the Barbie movie w/Greta directing. Margot Robbie plays Barbie.

  10. McMom says:

    How did she read all 7 Harry Potter books in a weekend? That’s impossible. I read the last two in a weekend – I barely slept AND I’m a really fast reader.

    • Aang says:

      She’s rich. Maybe her weekend starts on Wednesday

    • enike says:

      no way she could read all the harry potter books in one weekend

      the whole interview is very strange (her answers)
      are she on drugs maybe? or hormones?

  11. T says:

    My sister and I had babies a couple months apart. When her supply was dwindling and she didn’t feel ready to make a switch to formula, I pumped milk for my niece too. It might not be for everyone, but my sister was happy to give breast milk a little longer and it felt good to support her too.

  12. Isa says:

    No, thank you.

  13. Amaria says:

    The viruses the nursing mother carries can get into breast milk – including HIV, and most of carriers are unaware. I wouldn’t trust another person with my kid’s health, no matter how good a friend they are.

    • Arpeggi says:

      With the number of blood tests a pregnant woman goes through in developed countries, it’d be very hard to be unaware of your HIV status by the time you give birth quite honestly.

      • Eliza_ says:

        When you donate they rescreen you because there’s always a chance you pick up something while pregnant or after. Their test order is even longer than the pregnancy ones. You honestly never know. It’s a lot of trust friend to friend, everything they’ve taken for medicine, everything consumed or drank, it’s all in the milk. Everyone has a different idea of what’s ok for their baby.

      • Arpeggi says:

        @Eliza_ oh absolutely! I’d worry about OTC drugs, “natural” supplements and all that stuff that ppl take without really thinking about them that can go through the breast milk because those are quite common. Realistically, HIV won’t be and using it as the ultimate scarecrow is what makes people hesitant to get tested and it’s counterproductive.

    • JAM says:

      In my state (IL) they have to test pregnant women for STDs, including HIV, at least twice throughout pregnancy. I think the first time I went in at 8 weeks and then again in my third trimester. I guess if you don’t go to a traditional doctor/practice then that doesn’t apply.

  14. Sequinedheart says:

    Nope, nopey nope

  15. dota says:

    I have never heard anyone say or recommend swapping breast milk as an immune system booster. Saying that without some supporting science is just as valid as the crap anti-vaxxers say.
    You have no idea what drugs another person is taking.

    • Arpeggi says:

      Also, “immune system boosters” are a pet peeve of mine. You don’t want to boost your immune system and make it more reactive: that’s what lupus, allergies, MS are! You don’t want that.

  16. Gobo says:

    In some cultures communal breast feeding is not unusual. I knew a girl from Morocco who said that she was breast fed by her mother, family and her mothers friends.

  17. Jekelly says:

    When I was breastfeeding my youngest she refused to take a bottle, so I ended up donating all of my frozen breast milk. In total it was over 1,000 ounces. There’s a ton of Facebook groups geared towards woman looking for donated milk.

    • Valiantly Varnished says:

      That’s awesome! I think it’s a wonderful thing to do for another woman and her child.

  18. SJR says:

    No thanks.
    I’ll just go ahead and continue to make my personal donations to charities of my own choice.

  19. Valiantly Varnished says:

    Lol. I love how this is a debate when black slave women breastfed white babies for hundreds of years. It’s where the term “wet nurse” comes from. I personally dont see any issue with it. The baby gets all the benefits that come from breast milk regardless of who’s milk it is. If you can drink milk from a COW I dont see the big deal in a baby drinking another woman’s breast milk.

    • Snowslow says:

      Exactly. Moreover, before formula, if a woman did not have milk her baby would be breastfed by another woman who would be breastfeeding. In Europe it happened too, I have heard fo stories about this two generations ago. We behave as if formula always existed but babies had to be fed by other women who were not the mother for many reasons (not enough milk, death of the mother, twins, illness of the mother and so on). It’s an ancient thing, nothing to do with any anti-vaxxers like someone said above and who knows, it might be better for the baby than industrial milk.

    • Green Desert says:

      VV, excellent point. Your first few sentences should be in bold. 🙂

    • NVYwife27 says:

      Umm no. The term wet nurse comes from 17th century France and they were used by working class people because they had to go back to work so quickly after giving birth. The original wet nurses were paid.

      • Wilma says:

        Actually wet nurses have always been there, there’s references to them in the bible, in ancient Greek writings and myths and in ancient Egypt. They probably were there before we could write too. And the practice has been criticized almost just as long by men with their stupid ideas about child rearing.

      • Valiantly Varnished says:

        @NVYwife you are right. However the term wet nurse began being used in reference to the slave women used for feeding the slave masters’ children. The same in Brazil where slave women were bought specifically to be wet nurses.

    • lanne says:

      It’s even in Gone With the Wind–Melanie had a baby during the siege of Atlanta but didn’t produce milk, so the slave Dilcey at Tara (Prissy’s mother–she’s not in the film) feeds Melanie and Ashley’s baby. Melanie watches the 2 babies, black and white, while Scarlett and Dilcey work in the fields picking cotton (my fave part of the film and the book, Scarlett picking cotton. Woo hoo!!). Later on, Melanie says she doesn’t want to go North with Ashley because their little boy could be in “a class with pickanninies.” But she had no problem with that “pickaninnie’s” mother feeding her own child and saving its life. Cognitive dissonance of racism. VV, your comment made me think of this.

  20. Starkille says:

    Should we also be stealing each other’s husbands and breaking up each other’s families? I’ll refrain from following any advice this repugnant woman doles out. Unrelated, but also, that’s one wide-àss hair parting she’s got. People with hair loss that significant really shouldn’t wear a center parting, it’s unflattering.

    • JAM says:

      You’re equating breast milk sharing with stealing/sharing husbands? I just…I can’t…what?

    • Valiantly Varnished says:

      Jennifer is that you?

      • Arpeggi says:

        Lol! I actually think that Jennifer doesn’t give that much of a cr@p about it these days

      • Valiantly Varnished says:

        @Arpeggi Lol. I actually dont think she cares either. It’s obvious she’s moved on. Others should try doing the same. It seems like no matter what the subject matter is in regards to Greta someone feels the need to bring it ip and it’s just silly at this point when all parties ACTUALLY involved have moved on.

      • walktalk says:

        Lol um @valiantly that’s kind of a messed up(& pretty sexist of you, tbh) diss to Jennifer Jason Leigh…she clearly has moved on.
        Annnnnnnd a Lot of you haven’t moved on from the Jolie-Pitt saga…even tho that was literally 15 yrs ago 😂 I may have spotted you @valiantly clutching an Aniston effigy in the comments…different strokes

        I agree tho u don’t ‘steal’ ppl – it takes two to tango. Though it is pretty rich for Gerwig to be all pro woman, it takes a special kind type of selfish to be banging each other while your dudes wife is in labor. I don’t know how she would ever want to be with a guy who would do that to a woman, but that’s her prerogative. Let’s be real tho…girl’s gonna be replaced at some point like JJL was 🤭

    • Jaded says:

      Eat a Snickers…you’re not you when you’re hungry.

  21. Eliza_ says:

    I’m assuming swapping if ones supply is low?

    I donated before – they screened me like a blood donor (blood work) and checked my diet (no bad meds, alcohol, fenugreek etc) and then screened the milk when shipped. It’s usually for preemies so very regulated.

  22. El says:

    I’ve had friends who were sisters and had babies similar ages. They would occasionally nurse their niece if the other sister had a major obligation. It was a while ago so I can’t remember the age. Another friend was diagnosed with cancer with the birth of her son and wasn’t able to breastfeed because of the chemo. We collected breastmilk from donors in our circle for her. It was sweet she would think of her friend’s when her son drank their milk. I

  23. Shirleygailgal says:

    36 years ago after my son’s birth I had SO much milk I could shrug my shoulders and send a stream across the room. My breasts were so engorged. There was a baby who seemed to cry all the time whilst I was there; apparently the mom wasn’t producing enough milk. I begged them to let me feed her baby, too. Help the baby and the babe would help me…I met the mum in the hall and said so (jokingly) and she was all oh yes please. But, I was not allowed…all that extra milk just went down the drain. It seemed like such a waste at the time. After a week, I was released from hospital but two days later hemorrhaged and landed back there for a D&C. The same nurse then told me the reason the hospital was adamant about not allowing me to wet-nurse was because the family was Asian. I was so pissed off I wrote letters to everyone I could think of about what a stupid, hurtful, cruel (cause we all had to listen to that poor baby wailing) and wrong, just plain wrong reason that was. I heard back from the then minister of health that was just the way things are…seems like things still haven`t changed enough, because whilst some of the points above may be valid, the truth is a hungry baby deserves to be fed by anyone who could feed them.

  24. BANANIE says:

    I grew up without a television in my house, and all my friends were shocked. I grew up reading a ton — as did many children who watched TV, I’m not saying they didn’t — and I’m grateful for it. I think that’s why I’m an editor today, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it contributed to my long attention span. However, I’m not going to pretend that I never stream TV now that I have Netflix!

  25. Faye G says:

    I’m tired of celebrities thinking they’re qualified to give out this kind of advice, it’s a little GOOP-esque for me. To each their own but in this day and age, I don’t think it’s a safe practice to do without very careful screening

  26. Texas says:

    Personally, I wouldn’t want to share breastfeeding duties with others. In theory, it sounds great. But I was too protective of my kids. I hated breastfeeding. Hated it. But I did it for awhile anyway.

  27. SK2 says:

    I’m breastfeeding right now, I love it so much

    I read something inteeesting recently about how in Vietnam ( and many other countries) the grandmother will breastfeed the baby… helping the mother. Apparently you can lactate again even if it’s been many years. The human body is amazing

  28. QueenMeow says:

    I had to go dairy free when I was breastfeeding and had a bunch of breast milk I’d already pumped in the freezer, so I offered it to a girlfriend of mine who has a super low supply and was struggling. I didn’t drink, take supplements other than a pre-natal, ate healthy (not that that even really matters I don’t think), hadn’t taken any OTC drugs since the two weeks after child birth (wasn’t pumping then.) It was such a great feeling to be able to help her out, and it’s work to get that milk, so you definitely don’t want it going to waste!

  29. Sapphire says:

    this woman is so obnoxious. everytime I see her get all this press & coversI think of all the more than qualified WoC who are still hustling YEAAAARS just to get in the room. Pennies for financing. Baumbach & Gerwig have never had a PoC in ANY of their films! I’ll give Gerwig a pass on that tho cuz she’s only made 2 movies

    Vogue, Elle, Hollywood Reporter – these outlets are **thrilled** they finally have a blonde pretty white woman who is A Female Director & blessed w/being a gatekeeper of the directing chair’s muse (critics/award bodies love NB)

    Y’all really think she would have had the last two years be the same if she never got w/ Woody Allen Wannabe Baumbach? LmaoooO you’ll never see Lulu or Ava or Karyn getting any of this – & we all know why. Greta, I see you.

    • DragonWise says:

      Dead on. I don’t really find her exceptional at all. A lot of brouhaha about not much, and she definitely wouldn’t have the clout she has without Noah.

  30. Isa says:

    I don’t see a problem with screened milk, but I would rather give my baby formula than a friend’s milk.
    And it’s not that I don’t trust the woman who has probably been screened during pregnancy- it’s that I don’t trust a lot of men. Being in birth forums all throughout my pregnancies I’ve seen too many new moms be cheated on- exposed to diseases that they didn’t have a choice about.

  31. Selena says:

    I breast fed my baby. My SIL was staying with us at one stage and she was still breast feeding her 3 yo (no judgement, if it works for you, it works). I went out to the garden for about five minutes whilst the baby was asleep and SIL stayed inside. I cam back upstairs arms full of flowers which I promptly dropped all over the floor when I saw SIL feeding my 3 week old baby! I firmly believe that she had woken the baby in order to feed her. I realise that in some cultures this is OK but for me it certainly wasn’t. I was ropable. Our relationship has never recovered.

  32. Hetty Spaghetti says:

    Phrasing the decision to make a decision on who a character is as ‘reductive’ is just incredibly insulting. I also don’t like the word ‘assign’; although both terms are very popular with homophobic queers right now.