Prince Harry on leaving the UK: ‘It brings me great sadness that it has come to this’

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Here are some photos of Prince Harry in London today for the UK-Africa Summit. They basically put Harry in a room and brought in African and British leaders one-by-one for photo-ops and brief face-to-face meetings. I’m including some shots of Harry meeting with Boris Johnson, and BoJo looking like a clown. I can only imagine what kind of racist slurs BoJo uttered in that brief meeting. Harry is packing a lot of appearances into his time in London, before he goes to Canada to see Meghan and Archie and presumably live there for years. Last night, Harry did an event for Sentebale, the charity he started years ago in Lestotho, which focuses on children affected by HIV/AIDS. He made a speech and of course all of this speech is already being misinterpreted. The text:

“…Before I begin, I must say that I can only imagine what you may have heard or perhaps read over the past few weeks. So I want you to hear the truth from me, as much as I can share, not as a duke or prince but as Harry, the same person that many of you have perhaps watched grow up over the last 35 years but now with a clearer perspective…”

“The U.K. is my home and a place that I love. That will never change. I’ve grown up feeling supported by so many of you and I’ve watched as you welcomed Meghan with open arms as you saw me find the love and happiness that I’d hoped for all my life…Finally, the second son of Diana got hitched. Hooray.”

“I also know that you’ve come to know me well enough over all these years to trust that the woman I chose as my wife upholds the same values as I do. And she does. And she’s the same woman I fell in love with. We both do everything we can to fly the flag and carry out our roles for this country with pride…”

“Once Meghan and I were married, we were excited. We were hopeful and we were here to serve. For those reasons, it brings me great sadness that it has come to this. The decision I have made for my wife and I to step back is not one I made lightly…It was so many months of talks after so many years of challenges and I know I haven’t always gotten it right but as far as this goes there really was no other option. What I want to make clear is, we’re not walking away.”

“I hope that helps you understand what it had to come to, that I would step my family back from all I have ever known, to stake a step forward into what I hope can be a more peaceful life. I will always have the utmost respect for my grandmother, my commander in chief, and I am incredibly grateful to her and the rest of my family for the support they have shown Meghan and I over the last few months…I will continue to be the same man who holds his country dear and dedicates his life to supporting the causes, charities and military communities that are so important to me.’

[From E! News]

Harry is trying to do a lot in this speech, and of course that means words are being taken out of context and people are like “he never wanted to leave, it was MEAN MEGHAN.” What he’s actually trying to do here is emphasize how much of this was his choice, and something HE felt HE needed to do to protect his family. It’s not going to work, clearly, because people are still trying to pretend like this is all Meghan’s fault because… she’s biracial and how dare she. I feel like Harry is also trying to leave the UK without burning everything down too, even though he maybe should have burned it all down to ash.

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  1. Ash says:

    “Finally, the second son of Diana got hitched. Hooray.”

    That was…bitter, no?

    • Lurker says:

      Ehh, maybe? Idk, If he is bitter towards his brother, I think he has every reason to feel that way.

    • Pineapple says:

      He knew his room … that was what people had been thinking as he remained unhitched for so long. Everyone loved Diana.

      • Kebbie says:

        And a lot of the narrative around him was he couldn’t find someone to marry him. Cressida and Chelsy supposedly didn’t want any part of it.

        I took the hooray to be a little bitter though. Like “you all wanted me to get married and this is how you treat her.”

      • lucy2 says:

        That’s how I took it too, Kebbie. Everyone was all gung ho for the wedding, but once that was done treated Meghan poorly.

    • Alexandria says:

      It was bittersweet because it reflects how his identity was moulded outside of his control. He was Diana’s son first, instead of Harry the person. And he was Diana’s second son, maybe a subconscious reference to his position as the spare from birth. One can only imagine how this shapes you directly and indirectly as you grow up. And when he’s a grown man now, he still couldn’t be trusted to make his own choice of a spouse and path for himself. He was supposed to follow the path of marrying an English Rose and support the heir.

      • Thinking says:

        What makes me super sad is for all the people who cant leave toxic families for financial/cultural reasons. These 2 people are so unbeleivably lucky. The press was mean but I unfortunately have seen people I am close to crucified by the press to the point where it lead to months of terrible death threats. There was no paid security for them. And certianly no money to pay for their protection. And certainly no websites backing them up saying how wonderful they are. Im agine when someone says something mean about her in the press she can come right here and see how lovely people are towards her. It just makes me sad that the average person gets villified and they have no support system like she does (Jessica Mulroney and Serena – talk about connections !). Life for the priviledged is defintely a different voyage.

      • Beach Dreams says:

        Don’t discount the treatment Meghan received as people “being mean” to her. She’s gotten actual death threats. The media have been horribly racist to her since her relationship with Harry became public. She was attacked throughout her pregnancy and Archie was called a monkey days after he was born. Having people close to you who’ve suffered doesn’t give you the right to discount and minimize the suffering of others.

      • kerwood says:

        @Beach Dreams, thank you.

        I DO NOT UNDERSTAND why some people find it so difficult to give this woman the same empathy they would give a hurt animal. The resentment and the lack of human empathy is BREATH-TAKING.

        Meghan Markle is a human being and has been treated in an abominable manner. Just because she lives in a fancy house and wears nice clothes doesn’t make her treatment any less monstrous.

        People think this whole nightmare is a judgement on Harry and Meghan but it’s actually a judgement on US, of what kind of people we are. In 2020, Meghan Markle had to leave England because of the colour of her skin. How did this happen? How did get here?

        The people who drove her out don’t even have the moral courage to own what they’ve done. They’re not only hateful; they’re weak too.

    • Erinn says:

      I took it that way a little bit, and I think it was warranted. There’s so many people who loved Diana who think they know what’s best for Harry. And I’m sure he’s kind of over it. The expectations from people who’ve never met him, the attacks on his wife that people are invoking his dead mothers name on… it’s a lot.

    • Lila says:

      Delivery and response. It got a laugh. And he was only acknowledging what so many have already said.

    • Mabs A'Mabbin says:

      Nah, not bitter per say, but a rushed introductory comic nod to get to the crux of the message. I can only image throughout the years how many times he was asked about getting married by everyone from reporters to family lol. So yeah, it was a personal funny and a perfect intro.

      • ADS says:

        That’s what I thought too; lots of people had been asking him when he would get married – and then he finally did and they stopped. Anyone who has remained unmarried into their thirties will be familiar with this phenomena.

    • Ang says:

      My theory is that Harry planned to leave the RF in this way (not a senior royal, everything scrutinized) the whole time, and was waiting so do so until his father became King; regardless of where he was in life, who he married, etc. The treatment he and especially Megan received made him pull the trigger now, hence the plans going into motion. He never wanted to stand beside William and be the “second” his whole life under intense scrutiny and public ownership. He didn’t want to hurt QE but they pushed him to it.

      • Babz says:

        I think you’re onto something. He’s stronger than most people give him credit for, and I agree that he would have left once Granny was gone.

      • Adriana says:

        Harry es un adulto, sabe lo que hace . Nadie lo orillo a dejar la monarquia menos su familia.si no porque hubo una reunion en sandringham para disuadirlo. Como si kate no paso 10 años soportando a los paparazzis y tabloides. La diferencia es que harry hace lo que quiere. No tiene consideracion con la reina. Su equipo de relaciones publicas lo abandono por no seguir sus consejos.entonces para que tenerlos

      • ADS says:

        I’m not even sure it was about not wanting to be “the second” (his dedication, enthusiasm and hard work around his charitable projects show that he loved the actual duties of royal life). I think he grew up seeing how sick, toxic and dangerous the tabloid media circus around the royals is. I think it was enough seeing his mother die and noting how compromised people can become (including his own much loved older brother) when beholden to such powers. And like any normal, sane, moral person he wanted to nope the f*ck out of it.

    • Anta says:

      nah, that’s just English sense of humour :)

    • A says:

      Not really? It’s kind of how everyone felt, no? Not in a rude kind of way, but more in a, “Oh hey this kid whom we all grew up hearing abt from the time he was a baby has finally found someone to spend his life with,” kind of way.

    • Beatles says:

      No, I think he was cheekily alluding to the fact he was infamously thought of as such a party boy for so long, into his 30s. Like finally, he settled down and became an adult. Hooray.

  2. Talie says:

    His speech was great – he’s so his mother. Very good at expressing emotion through words. His presence will be a big loss.

    The DM is saying William didn’t want Harry at the event tonight due to the fear of overshadowing. The Wessexes will be there instead. Are they the new Fab Four?

    • Hope says:

      Sophie is such a suckup. Kate will be delighted. I guess that’s what all those leaks about Sophie being clothes for Kate etc. were about, trying to establish a new fab 4 where Kate and William will never feel outshone.

      • Guest says:

        Lol no one is checking for sophie and Edward. I’m sure the youth just loves that. Harry and Meghan were very popular with the younger generation. That’s the generation William needs and he they just kicked out the two people that could have helped.

    • February Pisces says:

      ‘Fear of overshadowing’ ? Is that shade from the daily mail towards William? I get the feeling the British media will be keeping the Cambridge’s in check to ensure they get everything they want out of them.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @February Pisces, Totally agree!!! The Daily Fail and other BM will never be off the Cambridge’s back to get exactly what they want from this point forward.

      • piratesgal1 says:

        @February @February Pisces A deal with the devil indeed.

    • Elisa says:

      yeah, Sophie is also one of TQs favourites, so I can totally see her (and Edward) doing more engagements from now on.

  3. Lurker says:

    Ugh, it is so fucking disgusting the way they are treated. I cannot imagine being Meghan and being the target of such a pack of vicious trolls, it’s beyond disgusting. Get out of there and don’t look back guys.

  4. Betsy says:

    I’m sorry it came to this, too. As many commenters have said quoted beloved Lizzo, they could have had a bad b*tch.

    And the truth is that we’ll probably never really know what happened or how in terms of who was supportive, who felt hamstring and why, who actively hurt and destroyed (I’m in the “William, Kate and the Middletons did the bulk of it”), what kind of power the courtiers have… but they really lost something special when Harry and Meghan decided to leave. I know they’ll continue to do charity and probably pretty awesome stuff, but it’s just such a giant eff up on the part of the monarchy. So so so stupid.

    • Becks1 says:

      Pretty much this, word for word. We may never know the full backstory to this. But the monarchy should have done everything to keep Harry and Meghan. And it’s clear they didn’t.

      • Nahema says:

        The speech was interesting because it acknowledges that the bad feeling was primarily towards the press. Many outlets have tried to frame this as Harry & Meghan hate Great Britain and the British people but his statement make clear that isn’t the case. I don’t understand why he keeps giving the Queen such a pass though.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        At some point some day we WILL KNOW the whole backstory.

      • ADS says:

        I agree @BayTampaBay. I think we will find out the whole story eventually. And I suspect it will end up coming out through the litigation process.

    • Geraldine Granger says:

      Yes. My exact thoughts. It’s just so sad.

      • Middle of the road says:

        When the queen is dead, we’ll probably then hear the whole story. Similarly in my family a lot of us held our tongues on my grandparents and how judgmental they could be, if not downright cruel at times. When they died as much as we did miss them we were also free. I always wanted my nose pierced and I didn’t get it until after they both died. I can get a sense their family structure is similar. Hold their tongues until granny is gone.

    • leigh says:

      Seeing that Harry’s family couldn’t even bother to look up from their programs when he and Meghan were saying their vows was a big clue as to what was going to happen.

      • Ann says:

        Yes! I remember noticing that!

      • sue denim says:

        I just went back to look at that, wow… Charles looked up but seemed sad, Camilla and Kate hid under their hats…heads down toward their programs. It’s a moment, so who knows…but you’re right, didn’t bode well…

    • CooCoo Catchoo says:

      I believe that Harry thought his family would love and want to protect Meghan as much as he did. Instead, the Royal Family continued to allow Meghan to be thrown to the wolves, again and again and again, and never defended her in the press. The RF refused to call the Cambridges out on their petty, jealous whisper campaign against her. Then the RF allowed the press to ramp up their hate in order to distract from Pedo Andy’s association with Epstein. As working royals, Harry and Meghan were completely financially dependent on the Royal purse. I don’t care how much money they were earning, or how many pretty clothes Meghan was allowed to buy – NOTHING is worth the abuse they received.

      • Valiantly Varnished says:

        Exactly

      • kerwood says:

        @CooCoo Catchoo, he flat out said that his family would be the family she never had. Imagine his shock when his family greeted her for the first time with a blackamoor brooch. Or when his sister-in-law (who he had defended in the past) or his cousins (no surprise there) didn’t even have the good taste and ‘home training’ to behave themselves at his wedding. It was downhill from there with the family at large but he must have thought that he could at least count on his father and brother. He must have a broken heart when it comes to his family. But he and Meghan have created a family of his own and his royal family will probably miss him much more than he’ll miss them.

    • Nikki* says:

      Yours is my favorite comment in this whole mess. I’m so sad about it all.

    • (TheOG)@jan90067 says:

      Im thinking Pedo and Freeloader, as they’ve ALWAYS wanted THEIR girls to become FT working royals, high on the teat. And what better way to worm them in, with Charles’ “slimmed down” lineage of seniors royalls half gone?

  5. Belli says:

    The most telling part was that they offered to do all the duties, but without the public money and were told no.

    The Firm can’t have any royals working for free otherwise the inevitable question Congress up – why couldn’t the rest of them do the same?

    (Of course even after it being set out very clearly people are still accusing them off wanting all of the perks and none of the duties, when they were offering to do the duties without the perks!)

    • Guest2.0 says:

      That’s what is so crazy. They were willing to perform Royal duties without taking taxpayer money (via the Sovereign Grant). And yet people are still going on about them being ungrateful and spending taxpayer money. It makes your head hurt with all the spin.

      • olala says:

        People are soooo stupid it is shocking after reading some comments on instagram and else. I can’t believe sometimes and adult person can write some sh..t it is beyond me… one of examples ” Meghan separated Harry from BELOVED brother William who suffers greatly” “broke up amazing wonderful family” etc etc etc. Yet no one bothered that Pedo Andy here and there and everywhere with smiley Liz. Wtf is doing their pr? This is insane. At least Guardian threw some shade on it and silence everywhere else

      • Eazy-Z says:

        Where did you read that they were willing to work for free? They clearly said on their website that they are expecting to be reimbursed for work representing the Queen!

    • Harla says:

      Because it seems that the taxpayers money and using the Royal Rota seemed intertwined. The royals are given funding through the Sovereign Grant for their “work” expenses and the Royal Rota (the British press) gets first access to all of their events and even the photos they release on their Instagram pages are given to the royal rota before or as soon as they are released. Harry and Meghan wanted nothing more to do with The Cartel (as they call the royal rota) and with very good reason but it appears that the RF would not let that happen. In fact, the event Harry attended last week at BP had all royal rota correspondences there, which was rather a slap in the face to Harry by BP.

      • Pity10 says:

        His speech was great, and people can interpret what they want into many things that have happened, but they shouldn’t make up their own facts. Or think their opinions or conjectures are facts. They are just your opinions maybe an educated guess but still a guess. That being said the Royal Rota is not a bad thing. It’s like the White House press Corp used to be before Trump. A bunch of media organizations and they agree to share the info so not all are there at one time. Now the Royal Rota does have a fair amount of sensationalized tabloids on it. Still they share the footage theoretically it’s a good thing. My opinion is the real issue is as long as the public prefers and more importantly buys the sensationalized either through direct means or clicks the sensationalized will win. The stories get more outlandish too in order to grab people. The only good thing is the public has the attention span of a gnat and it will die down if nothing else happens. If the Sussexes want it they can have a quiet life after a while.

      • notasugarhere says:

        A racist royal rota hell-bent on publishing attack and lie after attack and lie about him, his wife, their child? And them being required to only use those racists as their press outlet? That isn’t making up facts, it is stating the facts.

      • L4frimaire says:

        If the Royal Rota was objectively covering got all the royals and engaging in ethical journalism, then it wouldn’t have been a problem. However, basically attacking one member individually, while ignoring blatant problems and criminal associations like Prince Andrews, the interference of Kate’s family, or just overall spending, is completely unprofessional. It was very agenda driven and dishonest, and the agenda was to drive out the Sussexes. I don’t have time for the other Royals and don’t care. Absolutely no respect for them.

      • The tabloid press should not be part of the Royal Rota. Removing that element would be a great step into bringing it into responsible journalism. Someone here commented on likening the RR to the White House Press Corp. The tabloid, the National Enquirer, and others like it are not part of the White House Press Corp in USA. (Of course Trump would probably prefer that all the WH press Corp be tabloids as they speak to his people: race baiting, mysogenist, extremists).

    • Emily2 says:

      This was the most telling part for me as well. I hadn’t considered the precedent it would set. Great point!

    • Valiantly Varnished says:

      Probably because the public would then begin to question why all the other royals cant do their jobs without taxpayer money

    • Ainsley7 says:

      They can’t have members working for free because of rules the monarchy has agreed to with the government. The government won’t allow the Royals to make private income off their positions. Harry and Meghan have made it clear that they want to build on brand Sussex. They couldn’t do that while also performing official duties for the Queen as HRH. We have the same rules for our president, but they don’t seem to apply to the current one. That’s why Obama wasn’t making book deals and making money off of speeches during his presidency.

    • suzy webster says:

      Some royal reporter the UK radio today was saying there’s just no way the queen could have changed the way a 1000 year institution works for 2 people (ie setting a precedent that they could stop receiving taxpayer money but still do royal duties AND make their own independent money, which is their aim as stated by themselves) but I guess they have found a way for M&H to work happily outside of the institution, whilst also leaving the door clearly open should they want to return. It would appear the whole taxpayer funding, rota, responsibility etc is much more complicated and involved than it seems from the outside. Whatever the situation this made me really sad for Harry in particular and I hope he will be happy. As an aside – not to this particular thread but some other comment above, he gives the Queen a pass because she is his grandmother, they have always been incredibly close and she is also 93 years old. Like he’s going to start all-out war with her and bitch her out at her age?! It’s just not in his nature.

    • notasugarhere says:

      The firm already unofficially has Prince and Princess Michael of Kent in this in-between space, they’re just hoping nobody is paying attention. They lived at KP grace-and-favour for years while not being working royals. Now they pay ‘market rent’ but that money may still be coming out of the money the Queen misspends every year (see BP upkeep money disappearing for decades). They use their HRH in their personal businesses, aren’t official working royals but show up at a few hundred engagements a year. Including State Dinners and receptions where they are perceived as representing the Queen. That has been ignored for years.

      All Harry and Meghan were proposing was – We’re happy to to do our duty to the Queen, we’ll pay our expenses and volunteer if necessary. But we also want freedom to earn a living, similar to what P&P Michael of Kent have done. And do our own big charity work with out W&K trying to shove us down or take credit.

      It wasn’t revolutionary, it just pointed out the Queen’s shady financial behavior through the years.

    • A says:

      This is why I feel like this is something of the beginning of the end. There won’t be any more perks for extended members of the RF once the Queen has passed away. I don’t think that the people who wanted to see the backs of Harry and Meghan fully thought through the impact it would have on the monarchy to have two of its most popular members walk away and do their own thing. People WILL question the necessity of the monarchy when they see Harry and Meghan thriving in their future roles without public money.

  6. Jess says:

    Very diplomatic speech but I take it as his saying he and Meghan didn’t want it to come to this but the hate and cruelty thrown at Meghan has left them with no other choice. Good for him and her and their family. But I do selfishly wish he had thrown the Royal family and press out for their horrible actions (and the continued defense of the horrible prince Andrew).

  7. Lurker says:

    Also, he just looks so defeated. And heavy, like he’s carrying the weight of the world. 🙁

    • Pineapple says:

      Defeated? No. Resigned to what he has to do? Yes. I imagine he truly didn’t want it to come to this. I don’t think Meghan did either. And at first, she was beloved. Until some idiot got the idea to try to derail that popularity. Whatever relative of Harry’s started this racist slamming of Meghan … I wonder if they meant it to go so far that Harry left England.

  8. Chickaletta says:

    President Obama needs to ask Luther to help Harry out here.

  9. Pineapple says:

    Oh Harry, such a wonderful human adult. XO I admire this person so much. Both he and his wife. I am so, so excited for them to start a life that is freer from the racism and lies. They will still occur but if you are not available … the bully is going to have to find someone else.

    I think on of the best twitter comments I saw about this was this one:
    ‘ I wish I had taken out an official announcement when I told my family to f%$k off.’

  10. HK9 says:

    It was a thoughtful and mature speech. The caliber of the work H&M have done is stellar, and to do it, through all of the crap from the press and the lack of support from the family means that they are an incredible team. I firmly believe they have a bright future.

  11. Estelle says:

    “Two roads diverged in a wood, and I— I took the one less traveled by …”

    And I think it will make all the difference.

    I wish them well.

    • NotSoSocialButterfly says:

      As someone who was raised in Vermont, I give an appreciative nod to this comment. 😊

    • LahdidahBaby says:

      Beautiful reference, Estelle, and I too wish them a bright future. I wonder if the rest of Frost’s poem about having chosen the road “less traveled by” rather than the first road will come to be:

      Oh, I kept the first for another day!
      Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
      I doubted if I should ever come back.

  12. Esme says:

    I admit I’m actually curious as to what in heaven could BoJo possibly be saying here… what words go with those gestures? I can’t even…

  13. Alexandria says:

    I’m so far removed from the UK, I’m not white or European either. I’m from Asia and his speech made me tear up. No word salad, just a simple and heartfelt speech. Yes he is privileged and wealthy and so is Meghan, but I have no doubt both have compassion and empathy in their bones that cannot be faked. And he knows people will keep saying all of these are Meghan’s fault but he still reiterated in his speech that it was his decision ultimately and take from that what you will. This man could not protect his mother and now he wants to rightfully protect his wife and son. I am so enamoured.

    Why were they not allowed to work for their patronages and military communities without taxpayer money? It’s because this would place scrutiny on the other HRHs that are minor royals and Queenie wouldn’t want to give the peasants ideas, at least while she’s still in charge. That’s Charles problem to resolve and likely why the negotiations took so long.

    • Le4Frimaire says:

      Great observation. I didn’t pay much attention to the monarchy before this and tired of the rest of them already. It’s just so upsetting to see how this couple, who it’s obvious like to work and give back, were so vilified and the trivial magnified. I sure they have a lot of anger, something that has not been mentioned by supporters or detractors. I’m angry for them. As for hypocrisy, those bleating on about duty refuse, especially the press, refuse to take any responsibility for their actions and undermining of them. Just disgusted. I really want the best for Harry and Meghan in their future and hope they really do well going forward.

  14. RoyalBlue says:

    I remember leaving a job years ago and basically showed them a figurative finger with a smile on the way out. I never regretted it because that was a bridge I was prepared to burn. I see why Harry would speak politely, because unlike me, he is a diplomat and is keeping the doors open to reconciliation.

  15. Seraphina says:

    All I got from that speech was that he loves Meghan and they wanted to work for the good of the people, what their roles were meant for BUT unfortunately all the toxic people wouldn’t let that be and no family stood beside them. So adios amigos.

    • Hi Seraphina. I agree with you. I think he spoke from the heart — guardedly. As he said, he wanted to speak his truth as far as he was able. I think he did and I think he knew the haters and the idiots were going to take it apart word for word and twist it beyond belief, but at least he said what he wanted directly to the public. I think when he said — love of country, love of work, love of a good woman beside him — it was still so unrelentingly bad that HE was owning that this was his decision. That with all his desire to stay …..that should tell you how bad it is that it has come to this. I believe him. Everyone expects bumps in their road with family, work, friends, outside influences. You hang in there but you keep going. For the Sussexes — between his family and the unrelentingly toxic press. ——- Well NO ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION. I’m so glad they are both healthy enough to “take the less traveled path.”

      And as an aside about today’s event, once again we see him OTHERED by his own family at a function. If he is so beloved by his family and they are standing by him …..where the F*** has at least one of them been in even the last 10 days. A picture (or in this case the lack of one) says a thousand words.

    • notasugarhere says:

      ‘So I want you to hear the truth from me, as much as I can share’

      This coupled with his comments in the documentary. ‘And if anybody else knew what I knew, be it a father, be it a husband, be it anyone, they would probably be doing exactly what I’m doing as well. But again for me, and for my wife, of course there is a lot of stuff that hurts, especially when the majority of it is untrue. But we need to focus on being real, and focus on being the people that we are, and standing up for what we believe in.’

      There is much, much more to come.

      • Seraphina says:

        Notasugarhere, yup, and I can’t wait!!!! I’ve heard a saying that sh!t usually smells no matter how much you try to cover it up. Sooner or later the truth will come out.

      • Becks1 says:

        YES good catch Nota. There is so much happening behind the scenes with that family, and its not good, and I firmly believe that THAT (the “behind the scenes” stuff) is what drove H&M out, not the press. I think the press pushed him to the breaking point, but I think the “other stuff” is what tipped him towards the final decision.

        My current theory – the BRF is realizing (or will soon realize) what a disaster this is. Kate and William at the UK-Africa investment reception, but not the biracial duchess? And its not “just” about Meghan’s race. She is smart, poised, educated, does her research etc, She blows some of the other royals out of the water at events like this and they know it. And she’ll be doing her thing in Canada and wherever and being the

        Anyway – I digress. They’ll realize what a disaster this is, and how bad the family looks. I think at that point the dirt is going to start to come out about this, because both William and Charles will want to make it clear that their hands are clean.

      • Seraphina says:

        Becks, I bet they will do what people usually do: blame the ones that aren’t around. That will mostly likely be QE and PP. and they will throw her under the bus and try to make Charles like he was never for it and yada yada

  16. Coz' says:

    It was truly a beautiful and well thought speech. I am sure it gave him confort to be able to say his truth (or part of it at least) in front of people he cares for and who respect and care for him & Meghan.

  17. DS9 says:

    W&K are the biggest losers in all of this but it’s their own fault. I hope they are prepared for the scrutiny that will come their way once the dust settles.

    They’ve cut off and out two people who showed themselves willing to work, and work meaningfully. I’m sure many will quote numbers but H&M were doing work that went beyond numbers, that would have had a longer lasting imprint and paid off in goodwill with the people if only the rest of the royals had been willing to back them.

    Instead, we get church walks with Andrew and botox denials and rose garden obfuscation.

    • aria says:

      i think this illusion of their marraige is going to be put to test during him being prince of wales. whoever holds that prince of wales titled doesnt have good marriage or normal relationship. plus all those karma of cambridges will come back and its going to nasty. i believe that prince of wales title is some kind of cursed. lets wait and watch.

    • Hey DS9. Don’t forget the hair extensions. There was no stiff upper lip On that major life issue or any — never complain, never explain — there. This family. Words desert me.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        “hair extensions”??? What are you referring too?

      • Nic919 says:

        The very first press release regarding Kate after the marriage was the denial of hair extensions and claiming it was a childhood scar.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Given her hairdresser was known for doing hair extensions and *only* hair extensions at that salon. After the ‘scandal’ of this coming out about Kate, he was fired.

    • qtpi says:

      I don’t think the Cambridges or Middletons thought that leaving was ever and option for H and M. I think they figured they had a great new couple that would share the work load and all the bad press. And they would build Kate up to be a hard working Goddess while tearing Meghan down day after day.

      Harry has been to this rodeo! And it shows.

      • morrigan01 says:

        No one anticipated them walking away, because they’d built up a narrative in their heads that the titles and class status and such were important to Harry and meghan, but especially Meghan. The were looking at Meghan through a lens of British Culture and the importance of those things, instead of Meghan’s American culture.

        Meghan never needed or wanted that royal stuff. She only wanted Harry. She wanted to be with Harry. So it was pretty easy for her to walk away because she had him and her baby.

        And Harry always had one foot out the door. All this all did was finally give him the final push to take the leap and go.

        So yeah. HUGE miscalculation on the Cambridges and Middletons part. Whereas anyone with an ounce of awareness could see this leaving thing coming.

  18. liriel says:

    Well, there is an article that William and Harry made up and it might be true. The only off thing is Harry and the firm talking about several months of leaving. Were there willing to give up so soon? What’s strange is that recently they got better press, after the lawsuit I saw several neutral to positive articles so I wish they waited.
    But has anyone else notice the narrative they press is trying to push.. Harry, “our” good boy and Meghan the bad one.. people want him back without Meghan.

    • Beach Dreams says:

      You mean the story from Dan Wooton, friend of KP’s press secretary and thus one of William’s go-to reporters? No, it’s just more spin trying to prop up and protect William, much like that recent “joint statement” condemning the articles that called him out for bullying.

      • Agreed. William is spinning like a top right now to push his version. (History will F*** him on this mess, but not for many years.). Where is one single photo of them. How hard would it be to actually see William step into the same frame as Harry with a GENUINE smile on his face and welcoming body language. It hasn’t happened in the last two years it isn’t going to happen in the next few days. Ain’t gonna happen is my thinking. I’m sure William is counting the seconds until Harry gets on that plane to Canada.

        I think Harry’s line in his speech last night about —- my family — was telling. He singled out the queen but the rest (his father, his brother) were included in the “my family”. That was strong, diplomatic PR talk speaking because if he had not included those few words it would have really exploded today. Sara Latham earned her money helping him get that right.

      • notasugarhere says:

        There’s also talk that leaders of different African countries requested private, one-on-one meetings with Harry today. Not with William. Petty William might try to keep Harry out of the spotlight at the reception tonight, but political leaders from those countries got their one-on-one meetings with Harry.

        Not only are the BRF the big losers here, but the world has seen what William is trying to do to his brother.

        I cannot wait for the receipts from the DM lawsuit.

      • I can see the African leaders asking for one on one meetings with Harry. He may have had to give up his role as Commonwealth Youth Ambassador, but he and Meghan are still the President and Vice President of the Queen’s Commonwealth Trust. Scobie got that right, and it was confirmed yesterday in several outlets like The Times, the BBC. It will be interesting to see how they pattern their work in those continuing roles.

  19. Bettyrose says:

    Until I watched this speech, I don’t think I truly appreciated how hard this is for Harry. I’m sure we’ve all felt a little sad after giving a job two weeks’ notice…they didn’t appreciate us enough…we got passed over…the time has come to move on, but still we feel a twinge of letting people down, knowing some people valued and benefitted from our work. So I’m imagining that for Harry multiplied by his entire lifetime and then adding family dynamics. It can’t be said enough, you’re doing the right thing Harry!

  20. Who ARE These People? says:

    What a sweetie.

    Bettyrose, you said it so well.

  21. Loretta says:

    What a moving speech! Harry best man of the 2020

  22. Guest with Cat says:

    That was a lovely speech and was pretty clear and direct where it needed to be and where he apparently is allowed to be. The people who are taking it out of context are being willfully stupid and hateful.

    What is not so clear and direct is why his vision to be a working royal NOT publicly funded could not be worked out even a little bit. Why couldn’t he keep his military honors? If I understand correctly what I have read of the statements from an officer of the British military, he can no longer wear his uniform AT ALL in any public events, because he now has been stripped of his affiliation.

    But chew on this: the rapist can.

    Was the removal of all his military patronages and affiliation a legal consequence of removing him entirely from tax payer funding and the shackles to the Royal Rota system? If that is the case, then that is the case. That, I guess is the price of freedom FROM the corrupt press of Great Britain.

    Or was it the punishment the nasty courtier with the stick up his bum warned about?

    What makes me sick is reading in the US press the usual analysis of this event. Of course they ignorantly quote the usual biased sources in Britain and this is getting spun to how difficult and intractable and broken Harry and Meghan are. How Meghan couldn’t cope with British life and royal life. There’s a passing reference to the difficulties of being biracial.

    Really? The crux of this whole disaster is racism. It starts and ends with racism. You can mix up classism and xenophobia and all the other red herrings.

    But it really is racism.

    It’s 2020 and on a day honoring Dr. Martin Luther King, we have a gun rights rally unfolding. Regardless of where you stand on gun ownership, the fact remains that this rally is being attended by white supremacists and violence is anticipated as a possible threat. In 2020. Just saying.

    • A says:

      That’s the long and the short of it. The British monarchy will countenance a person who had sex with an underage sex trafficking victim, openly consorted with a pedophile and defended his friendship with him, and gave an interview where he expressed no remorse whatsoever for his behaviour, but the person who didn’t do anything except marry a biracial American and start a family with her gets no support and has to leave.

  23. Digital Unicorn says:

    What is also interesting is the Fail story about how the brothers have kissed and made up but its all Charles fault as he (Harry) doesn’t trust his father and that relationship is really the one that’s in tatters. No doubt he has a difficult relationship with his father but he doesn’t have a great one with his brother either. Hmm, wonder who leaked that tit bit and well time will tell if its true.

    • leigh says:

      Of course Wills made up with Harry. He’s delighted he won’t be overshadowed by their glamour and work ethic anymore. It’s very easy to be generous when you think you’re the winner.

    • Beach Dreams says:

      Did the Fail copy the story from the Sun? I saw Wooton touting it as an exclusive, and we all know his connections to KP.

    • S808 says:

      Sounds like KP briefing against Charles. Can’t wait to see them go head to head now that the common threat (H&M) are out of the way.

    • TheOriginalMia says:

      I seriously doubt the brothers have made up. Harry is probably zen about his relationship with him. He can either let William damage his peace or he can agree to forgive, but never forget. William will never have his trust again. None of them will. But in order to move on with his life, he has to let his anger go.

    • What. . .now? says:

      If Harry found out through his lawsuit and the discovery phase that W & K were the ones leaking these terrible stories, I highly DOUBT all is peachy keen with William and Harry. Let’s be for real. William might be the reason Harry has do this, but Harry’s fine with it and they’re besties again? I highly doubt it. That’s not something that is easily forgiven or forgotten. That is Harry’s wife and child that William tried to destroy…but sure, let’s go with the fact that they are 100 again. I can’t roll my eyes any harder.

      William might be friendly, “loving” again because he got his way, but Harry isn’t stupid. He’s had William’s number for decades.

      I don’t believe it for a second.

      • Sarah says:

        @What… now?
        You wrote “He [Harry]’s had William’s number for decades.”
        Did he now? Because I distinctly remember Harry saying that the RF would be the family Meghan never had. I think that prior to his marriage, he did not know his brother could be such a piece of work. Hence the sadness.

      • notasugarhere says:

        I don’t buy it either, What… now. Harry is being the most politic he can be right now, to get what he wants and to get out, but there is more to come.

      • What. . .now? says:

        @Sarah – he did say that, but can we be sure that William was included in that? Perhaps he meant his father, Camilla, the Queen and others? We don’t actually know.

        Nota has said that William has always used Harry as his scapegoat since he was the “Spare.” So…I tend to go with that logic.

      • Nic919 says:

        The newspapers just filed their defence in the last week and so the discovery process hasn’t happened yet. The next few months will have more revelations because that is when counsel prepare their affidavits and produce their documents to the other side in advance of the discovery / deposition.

    • Hey Digital Unicorn (love your handle and always enjoy reading your comments): I agree. And, if it is William spinning to his friend Wooten, then William is opening fire on his father. As I said a few days ago, Charles and William have gamed Harry out of it (Charles stupidly and William malignantly). Now —- let the GAMES begin between William and Charles. I hope they tear each other to pieces.

    • MsIam says:

      I read other stories that hinted that Harry went to Charles first about everything and Charles gave him the runaround. That is why he went to the Queen. I noticed that when the exile stories first appeared last year on how William wanted to push them out, send them to Africa, etc, the Sussexes said they only looked to TQ and Prince Charles for advice not other family members. Lately though, the stories say they look to the TQ and Prince Philip which seems really odd, given that he is retired and not involved in the day to day. So it seems that Harry is definitely on the outs with Charles. Since Charles is still going to be supporting them, I wonder if the Queen forced his hand on that. Or I wonder if Harry found a link to Charles with the smearing along with W&K.

    • Iris's Grandaughter says:

      All William and his band of grey men need to do now is carry on a smear campaign against Charles, turn the public and press on him and viola, King William and Queen Kate when the Queen dies. William wants all the power now. He is not interested in working under King Charles….watch it happen while we all over analyze what is right in front of our faces. No more tinfoil tiara is needed.

      • Jaded says:

        I came here to say that a smear campaign will happen too. But I think if anyone wins it will be Charles. We are going to see a War of the Wales’s developing over the next few years that William will never win. Whatever biases he has against his father, Charles is smart, plays the long game and will quietly put him, and moreso KEEP him, in his place. Charles is a master leaker and I’m sure he has dirt on William that could sink him if it gets out. William almost got outed with the Rose Hanbury scandal and papa managed to get it shut down, but where there’s smoke there’s fire.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        William can’t just skip Charles in the Line of Succession. That would require a lot of legal work and something pretty catastrophic would have to happen for Charles to get passed over. Plus, I don’t think that William wants to be king, it is way too much work for him and much harder to hide away in the country doing whatever he does when he’s out of the spotlight.

      • February Pisces says:

        They already attempted that a few years ago. Remember the whole ‘skip and generation’ campaign? Thinking about it now I think it was Ma Middleton behind those stories to try and get William and Kate on the throne faster.

    • Nic919 says:

      Blaming Charles is obviously coming from William and the battle has shifted to CH and KP. I don’t think William realizes what he’s doing here. Rank matters and while he could lord it over Harry to his benefit, his father is the Prince of Wales. Charles already had to deal with the press during the Diana years and has been able to make a come back. If William thinks he can win this war, he’s a bit deluded.

    • notasugarhere says:

      This is definitely spin from William and the Middletons, trying to poison the well before the facts come out. Harry and Meghan aren’t backing down in their lawsuit. Leakers will be named publicly, or the Fail is going to pay millions out and be required to abide by a media code when it comes to the Sussex family.

      • lingli says:

        I’m a bit more trepidatious about the lawsuit, in part because I heard the hideous Kelvin McKenzie (former editor of The Sun during some of its absolute worst periods) on the Today programme (Radio 4) last week and he was positively drooling at the prospect of Meghan being called to the stand and taken apart “limb by limb”, as he so charmingly put it, by the Mail’s lawyers.

        This is basically the way the tabloids behave, of course – the journalists and editors effectively terrify the subjects of their stories into not fighting back – and so I feel that this lawsuit is a courageous act. However, I hope they’ve got some really good legal counsel and that they’re prepared for how utterly, obnoxiously vile things may get.

      • What. . .now? says:

        H and M KNEW what kind of court battle they could face against the nasty tabs, yet they said, “Let’s do it.” They know, they will be prepared for the very, very worst that the Mail will try to throw at them. They are not dumb. The mail expects them to fold? No. Just because the other royals are without backbone when it comes to the press, doesn’t mean H and M are. Their lawyers will prepare them well. This court battle is a two way street. It’s not just about the Mail hammering Meghan and Harry to no end–Harry and Meghan get their turn too.

        This will be a battle royale, so to speak.

      • morrigan01 says:

        The Sussex lawsuit isn’t going to be dropped.

        Look, if there is one thing we Americans are really good at, it’s suing mother**kers. And personally, I don’t think Meghan has any fear of being call to the stand. She isn’t some meek wallflower.

        I just personally want to see if the Fail really holds to their “threat” of calling Thomas Markle to the stand. That man is so inconsistent, and clearly coached, he’ll clam up and not know what to do the minute he’s forced off the script.

    • Elisa says:

      I totally believe that Harry doesn’t trust Charles. Harry specifically thanked the Queen in his speech, so he doesn’t seem to have hard feelings towards her. So the only senior senior royal still left is Charles. And it has been my theory all along that Charles played a key role in the smear campaign.
      And don’t tell me William is pulling the strings in ALL of this. He is neither smart nor ambitious enough…

  24. Emily2 says:

    His speech was wonderful and anyone spinning it as anti-Meg is reaching. Harry made it very clear that it was HIS choice and that it’s not a choice he wanted to make, and finally, that he isn’t some dumb also-ran who was tricked by his wife – he chose someone who shares his values and was eager to work. It seems, to me anyways, that he was not allowed by the Queen, to continue some of his royal duties- that it was all or nothing. If so, it was a shortsighted choice on her part.

  25. GuestOne says:

    I’m from Britain and if people don’t care about the royal family why is this story front pages in the papers, on every breakfast& debate show? It’s also led to discussion about racism& about the press, with some MPs chiming in and its showing how a lot of British commentators are wilfully ignorant about racism& dismissive about experiences of POC in their own country. It’s been appalling to watch

    • Beach Dreams says:

      Agreed. I understand that Brits generally don’t think much about the royals on a regular basis. But the family clearly means *something* with this constant coverage. And judging by the crying about Frogmore “disrespect to the Queen”, I’d say a portion of Brits do care more than they’d like to admit.

  26. Valiantly Varnished says:

    He basically said what we already knew: it was HIS choice, the talks had been going on for months, and he felt he had no choice because he had literally no support from the RF.

  27. Abby says:

    I watched this speech this morning and it brought tears to my eyes. I’m so proud of him for doing what’s right for his family. I feel like he was sorrowful that he could no longer do his duties – is he going to be able to continue with sentebale?

    It just didn’t have to be this way. They could have had an incredible team working for the monarchy. But alas. Racism. Pettiness. Jealousy. Go and be well, Harry, Meghan and Archie.

    • What. . .now? says:

      He will be able to continue with Sentebale and with Invictus. Those are his personal charities he began, so it’s not tied to Royal duties.

  28. leigh says:

    Meghan did an extraordinary job in her short tenure as a Senior Royal and when the dust settles I imagine people will look back and wonder, “Exactly what was it that she did wrong again?” It’s a telling example of the power of the media to twist a narrative whichever way they choose and run with it. The editors and writers who purposely pilloried this eager, loving young woman is an example of modern-day evil and I will never think otherwise.

    Eventually, we will hear the real story. Back in Diana’s day we had no idea what was going on behind the scenes but it all came out in a very messy way and I expect the same will happen here.

    • I think the Sussexes will come out well when this whole period is looked at through an historical lens. Of course, that does nothing for them to have to live through the pain and betrayal now, but history will right this boat of what really happened.

  29. TheOriginalMia says:

    It was a great speech. It was a comforting and affirmative speech. Harry is fine. He knows his mind and heart. He’s a whole grown man who found a woman who shared his values and goals. He chose her. Together they wanted to do great things, but couldn’t due to racism, xenophobia and misogyny. They would have stayed and worked without the Sovereign Grant and they said no. Can’t have people thinking they can do their jobs without public funds. No can do.

    The fact 3 (Morocco, Malawi and Mozambique) countries requested a private meeting with Harry today speaks to his value outside the BRF. The BRF should be shook.

    • The first time I watched it, I felt like it was a gift from Harry to all of us that support and believe in the two of them. He didn’t have to say anything. He didn’t have to speak from his heart. But, Harry and Meghan lead with compassionate hearts and when one or the other of them speaks without a filter it is always worth the listen.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Yes, those countries didn’t request private meetings with William. They wanted Harry, one-on-one. The international support for the Sussex family is there and growing.

    • Harla says:

      While I don’t imagine that how the UK has treated Meghan will affect the trade between the UK and African countries, it seems to have had an affect on those wishing to meet privately with Harry. I don’t think seeing the racist reporting of Meghan is sitting well internationally and while on the surface things will go on as before, below the surface people see it and will remember it for years to come.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Countries in Africa, particularly those that are mineral rich, have plenty of options when looking at trading partners. UK is in a poor negotiating position right now with the chaos of Brexit, and these countries have much better choices than the UK. The mistreatment of the popular WOC in the royal family, at the same time UK trots out the royals as something to admire during this trade summit? It may well have an impact.

  30. kerwood says:

    That speech was very moving. I’m so proud of Harry. He really was a mess back in the day and I didn’t have much respect or hope for him. He really has come into his manhood and I’m so proud of him. He’s proclaimed to the world that HE CHOSE HIS FAMILY.

    The true measure of how horrible the British family are is that they chose to protect a rapist and allowed this brave young man to walk away. They should have done whatever was needed to keep Harry Sussex. A lot of people say the royal family will regret it but I don’t think they will because they’re INCAPABLE of appreciating what they had with Harry and Meghan.

    It might be painful at first, but Harry and Meghan are so much better off. They walked away before Meghan was hounded to death, which is what a lot of people REALLY wanted.

    • Hi Kerwood. I agree with you. I think it’s all — “Sorry old chap, stiff upper lip and all that; too bad you let the side down, pip pip.” I think most of that family can’t wait for him to get on that plane. They are insular and insulated in their upper class Aristo world. They are almost in ‘lock step’ with it.

    • Valiantly Varnished says:

      Yes to all of this. I truly believe the BRF have their heads up their collective a$$es. They have people around them who insulate them from things and they have NEVER been a family given to introspection. They will go on like nothing happened…until things start to fall apart. Which they already have begun doing and they will look around utterly shocked by it all. While the rest of the world will be saying, “Told ya so”.

    • Lady D says:

      You’re right, they will not regret what they did. It’s just not in their makeup. They are only angry at losing their whipping boy. I would say I cannot wait until it is their turn in the press, but no one in that family will get what Meghan got. They will never face what they put her through.

  31. sassbr says:

    People in the U.K. says this isn’t news to them? Only Americans care about it? Ok, then why the public outrage? The upset over their Frogmore renovations was totally press-manufactured? The press isn’t fueled by sales to one small faction of Britons, give me a break.

    • GuestOne says:

      tabloids etc do have a lot of influence in Britain. I know people who say they don’t read them but will parrot same lines as these papers’ views are also broadcast on political, news reviews and breakfast shows.

      Even though circulation of these papers are dropping, that the Sun and the Mail are the top selling papers- to me it says a lot that there is an audience for these rags. The sun famously said they won Tony Blair his first election. At the last election 55% of conservative voters said in a small survey they didn’t want more immigration by Muslims. This is after lots of anti Muslim coverage in U.K. papers from the Sun to the Times.

      People have tended to vote same way as these papers have wanted- see the EU referendum. That’s why even though ministers had their phone hacked, ex journalist Boris Johnson committed to quash the second part of the Levenson inquiry in the last election campaign.

      And the broadsheets aren’t that much better these days. This analysis showed same negative coverage for Meghan across broadsheets& tabloids https://www.brandwatch.com/blog/react-markle-middleton-negativity/

  32. S808 says:

    Nothing left to say but nothing is worth more than your peace. Wishing Harry, Meghan and little Archie the best in this new chapter of their lives.

  33. Hermione says:

    So the British media and RRs are high fiving and doing victory laps on successfully driving H&M out of Britain. Karma is a B and I hope they all get what’s due them in the end.

    • kerwood says:

      And what kind of people do that? What kind of country allows that? The woman was driven out of the country for committing the sin of being bi-racial. Not because she was American. Not because she was divorced. Not because she was an actress. BECAUSE SHE WAS BLACK.

      Rule Britannia.

    • Jaded says:

      I saw a quote recently that really resonated with me for personal reasons, but it’s equally applicable to Sussexit:

      “When you try to ruin someone for attention, revenge and jealousy, it always comes at a cost.”

      So let’s just sit back and watch while karma takes its fee from those who caused this ugly mess.

  34. MsIam says:

    Like others have said, it was a beautiful and moving speech. I wish H&M much success, happiness and luck on their new ventures! As for the tabloids and Toxic Tom? How about a nice trip over Niagara Falls?

  35. mj says:

    Can’t wait for the tell-alls. Get your popcorn ready.

  36. February Pisces says:

    His speech was so heartfelt, it makes me sad it had to come to this. But Meghan and Harry are on the right side of history. Meghan has made more impact in 2 years than Kate will ever make, even if her and William stay together for the next 50 years. I think what probably kills kate and ma Middleton is that it’s Meghan who is reliving Diana’s legacy and not Kate. Whilst the world was obsessed with Diana and Meghan the second they appeared on the scene, there was never any hysteria around Kate ever. People only cared about Kate during the wedding and when George was born.Regardless of any negativity, Meghan is the most talked about woman in the world. The hounding in the press is the closest thing we have seen to Diana. But Meghan will come through this and continue to thrive and it will be that strength that will make her and harry a real inspiration in years to come.

    • CooCoo Catchoo says:

      Diana’s HRH was removed following her divorce, yet she remained the most photographed and popular celebrity in the world. I’d go so far as saying she became a more powerful force following her divorce – and she was able to do and say what she wanted because that HRH muzzle had been removed.
      Diana is still setting an example for her children. The Royal Family really underestimated her popularity with the public. I think they’ve done exactly the same regarding the Sussexes. I think she knew that William would always belong to the Queen, but that Harry had a real shot at being a world changer.

      • Adriana says:

        Will Esta haciendo una gran labor, solo que es mas en su papel de futuro rey. No creo que afecte la salida de harry y meghan, a la monarquia. Al contrario, tenemos a unos futuros reyes muy comprometidos. Pese a estos inconvenientes.

      • Desdemona says:

        Diana y porque estás hablando español esperando que las personas te entiendan?
        No todo el mundo habla español… Asi que por fa, escribe tus comentários en ingés…

    • Nev says:

      WORD UP.

    • Adriana says:

      Perdoname pero kate sigue tan popular como cuando se caso. Ni meghan pudo eclipsarla y ahora menos que ya no se vera en bp

      • ennie says:

        was Meghan supposed to “eclipse” Kate? weren’t they part of the same family? you are just eating up the tabloid narrative, Adriana. You are part of the problem.
        traduce esto.

      • Adriana says:

        Meghan y harry. Estan donde quieren estar fuera del ojo publico y si ellos estan contentos asi. ¿Porque se lamentan de que se fueron? Si no quieren volver los apoyo. Will y kate lo hacen magnifico. Bp no podria tener mejor representantes. Y no hablo ingles porque no me da la gana y nadie a puesto una regla obligatoria de hacerlo en los comentarios asi que no.

  37. MeghanNotMarkle says:

    It was a beautiful speech and actually brought me to tears. Harry speaks from the heart. I hope they find all the happiness in the world on their new journey.

  38. Sam Louise says:

    That photo first photo of Harry and Bojo is hilarious! Check out Harry’s face/jaw; it’s like he’s watching a cartoon clown.

    • Yes! And thinking …5…4…3…2….1….and I’m out of here.

      On my news feed yesterday there was an article header that was so long it was cut off so that all you saw on the feed was, Meghan and Harry Say Goodbye to Britain and Piers Morgan…..

      when you clicked on it the title continued …… and Piers Morgan has this to Say About It. And then went on to discuss Piers frothing at the mouth as fast as he can on every media platform he can use. Me — I just liked the cut off title as the Sussexes are saying goodbye to Piers and giving him a middle finger salute. 😎

  39. GM says:

    I feel sorry for them, it must have been pretty bad to leave everything he’s ever known and a cushy set life. I hope they are happy going forward.

  40. Miriam says:

    The RF dont realise it yet but they lost a big opportunity with the Sussexs. Look at the Africa summit pictures and compare it with the weird ones taken with William and you’ll see how uncomfortable he is (red face & hand).
    It’ll become more obvious with time especially once they see harry and meghan thriving and constantly in the news especially with continued hype over Archie and possibly babysussex n.2 especially if they ever attend trooping the colour.
    Unfortunately the world media will get more aggressive in covering them but they’ll have more control+ it’ll be beneficial closer to the lawsuit cases as courtiers and RRs can no longer dictate or control the narrative around the Sussexs.

    • MeghanNotMarkle says:

      Meghan certainly seems to be thriving in Canada. She was seen walking her dogs while carrying Archie and she looks positively radiant. I definitely think this is a change for the better for them.

      • carmen says:

        “She was seen walking her dogs ….” More like she was stalked while walking her dogs & someone profitted from this by selling their unauthorized shots to the Fail.

  41. yinyang says:

    Great speech! I hope soon he does one regarding his future chosen country.

  42. A Guest says:

    If I remember back to my days of lurking on other forums (before they all pulled their white sheets out of the dryer when Meghan got here), William is afraid if Charles’ temper. He should be. Harry, the scapegoat, is gone and if Charles goes all-in on Will, the results will not be pretty.

  43. Adriana says:

    Harry despues dejara sentenbale 😑

  44. Adriana says:

    Harry otro niño rico mimado. Que bueno que se fue ese fiestero.

    • ennie says:

      huy si. Pero aqui andas leyendo sobre el, que estuvo alrededor de 10 años en el ejercito, con dos tours de Afganistan en su historial. Se retiro para apoyar a su familia y porque los tabloides estúpidamente compartieron su posición más de una vez. Fiestero, si, hace años de eso.
      pd. aprende inglés

  45. MsGnomer says:

    When I see the posts about the Harry and Meghan and Archie, I get all cosmic and send them as much love and strength as I have to muster. I also wish this for you, too, if you are someone trying to find a way out.

  46. Otis’smom says:

    I predict H & M will come out on top of all of this nonsense. Fast forward 20 years : QE has passed, Charles has passed , assume the monarchy is still In place and William is King.
    H&M have spent their time earning a fortune and becoming a true global power force .
    They can then come back to “royal “ life as more popular, wealthier and have the power with public opinion to overshadow /run William out.
    All the previous dirt will be out, books will have been written and William and Kate can suck eggs. Harry will be “better” than William rather than spare heir/ second place and make William his bitch. If I were William , my father isn’t the guy to fear…..

  47. JRenee says:

    2020 and we are here. It’s horribly sad, but honestly it seems he’s wanted out for or a long time. I wish them all well and safety.

  48. blunt talker says:

    The black Brits on the whole do not have as many wealthy black Americans. I maybe wrong but it appears that way. Black Brits are trying to survive in a predominant white culture to make better lives for themselves. I feel there will be some racially motivated incidents in the near future in Britian. I have enjoyed reading the posters today. My heart goes out to the Sussexes and I pray for their happiness. I think there will be a lot of articles written when the dust settles showing exactly what was happening to Meghan with no RF support. Free at last, free at last. thank God almighty I am free at last.

  49. paddingtonjr says:

    So now the BRF is stuck with FFK & FFQC who couldn’t care less about working, as long as they get paid and are seen as the “perfect English family”; a pedo stripped of all his patronages and military appointments (who still gets money from mummy and can keep his HRH); a hard-working middle-aged couple with teenage kids; a senior citizen who works circles around 90% of the BRF membersl; a 90-something monarch who looks more out of it each and every month; and the heir and his second wife (former mistress) who seem like decent people, but don’t rock the boat and won’t defend or publicly support his younger son and daughter-in-law. They could have a dynamic spare and his wife, who brought empathy and energy to the mix and seemed more than happy to not only support TQ, but come up with their own ideas to bring the monarchy closer to the people.

    I feel for Harry and Meghan; I think he really believed that Meghan would be embraced and supported as he had embraced Kate and she seemed to dive into her royal role, determined to be successful. Although I’m sure Harry warned her that the press would criticize her, I doubt he thought it would be at the level she experienced and that his son, TQ’s great-grandson, would be attacked as well. I wish them luck.

  50. liriel says:

    I agree.

  51. Guest2.0 says:

    From this American’s viewpoint, it appears that toxic, racist, right wing media have too much power and control in Britain. Yes, we have Fox network here, but it’s checked by other news organizations (CNN, MSNBC, etc). I pray Fox and other right wing news organizations never get the power in the U.S. that they have in Britain. Also, African- Americans fought too long and hard for civil rights, and they’re willing to stand up and call out racist bullshit when they see it.

  52. Bettyrose says:

    Mimi,

    That’s always been my sense when in Britain, people don’t really think about the RF. Yet…the papers make a fortune off them, generating thousands of clicks. Understood that’s not all coming from with Britain, but there’s a disconnect there.

  53. Mich says:

    That’s a bit of a stretch given that your tabloids incessantly cover this thing you say no-one in Britain cares about. American press is more focused on the blatant racism and bullying Meghan has endured.

  54. Geraldine Granger says:

    I disagree that British culture is above American, which is what you insinuate with this comment. Boyish tabloids are out of control and nothing is done to stop these racist narratives. As a WOC, I am shocked you are not incensed by what what happened to Harry, Meghan and Archie, all of whom were constantly targeted by a racist tabloid culture. Just wow.

  55. Nahema says:

    I completely agree with this as a fellow Brit. Nobody talks about it and nobody here seems interested. I’ve said before that I feel like the tabloids are aimed at a small cross section of Brits, who also indulge in copious amounts of daytime TV and also at Americans. I’m sure there are more American Daily Mail readers than British. Some of the celebs that they cover on there are of no interest to Brits at all and most Brits won’t even know who they are.

    The media has ran with this because it’s getting a huge amount of over-sea’s interest but because of that, people are looking in from the outside, thinking that this is somehow representative of the British people. British people are only interested when it’s a celebration or something to do with their tax money.

  56. MrsBump says:

    i agree.. not a londoner but WOC who has lived in london for several years.
    I think the Americans are seeing this through lenses coloured by what is happening in their country right now and while i do think there has been shockingly racist coverage ( the monkey baby picture shook me to the core), i think a big part of the problem here is the cultural difference between UK and the US and also casual xenophobia that a lot of western Europeans have towards the US. It is seen as “punching up” and hence acceptable. And of course, the hollywood angle just made it worse.
    i still remember the outright derision that madonna was met with for trying and failing to integrate into the upper echelons of the UK society as was Gwyneth.
    None of this excuses the treatment that Meghan has received but there is more of it than racism. If Meghan had been a bi-racial british accountant , it wouldn’t have been anywhere as vicious. Still i’m glad she got out, this would have dragged on for another 10 years till the press got itself a new punching bag.

    @Guest 2.0
    fox news to me seems far more powerful than any of the british tabloids.
    doesn’t your right wing fascist president regularly call in ?

  57. Bohemian Angel says:

    MIMI, Hi, a fellow Londoner here and a black one. If we are meh about this story here in the UK then why has it been dominating our news for the past couple of weeks, why is it the lead talking point on talk shows across the main channels, and not just the silly morning programmes but shows like BBC Question time? And not to mention the rabid newspapers. Yes I agree USUALLY we are meh when it comes to the royals but a lot of people have a lot to say about this story, even sitting in the hospital waiting room the receptionists were talking about it, the media has twisted coverage of Meghan and have really tarnished her reputation.
    Its a real shame that we as people of colour pretend this country is so accepting and tolerant that most of us have convinced ourselves that racism and otherism didnt play a big role in this, we never speak out, even on talk shows I see black people almost scared to say what the truth is when asked their opinion on Meghan’s abuse. The UK is not the tolerant place it pretended to be, we showed our arse with the brexit vote and the Windrush scandal.

  58. VS says:

    If everyone is meh, so please explain to me who clicks, reads and buys those articles published by trashy tabloids disguising as newspapers…….

    what are the CNN, CNBC, NY Times, Washington Post, Boston Globe, etc…in the UK? I only know the FT and The Economist as valuable newspapers and they cater to a certain audience. I was referred recently to the Guardian, they are liberal leaning so more like MSNBC here is the States……….

    what do the masses read in the UK? it got to be tabloids……..so perhaps people pretend they are ‘meh’ but they still do read those trashy reports…….with the elections of Trump in the US and Brexit in the UK, never believe what someone say, always watch what they do and how they vote! that really tells you how they really think

  59. Valiantly Varnished says:

    Sometimes when you are close to something it can be hard to see. As a non-British person and a black woman from the outside looking in the UK Media and the RF are racist and toxic AF and there seems to be a real denial and a lot of cognitive dissonance in regards to the role that race played in how she was treated.

  60. Nyro says:

    Nah. Brits look like actual trash right now. And I’m sure a lot of “people of color” in the UK don’t see the racism because a lot of “POC” are actually quite anti-black themselves and their opinions are irrelevant, imo. What are black folks saying? Black and half-black women in particular. What’s happening to Meghan wasn’t allowed to happen to Michelle Obama over here because she had a community protecting her. People have lost their jobs for trying to come for Michelle and the Obama girls. A white woman who worked for the GOP basically called Malia and Sasha “fast” on a blog post for wearing short skirts and her job was gone in less than 24 hours . People in the media have been shut down Beyonce, Oprah, etc. Whereas in Britain, Piers Morgan is allowed to abuse Meghan day after day, calling her everything but a child of God and dehumanizing her. Camilla Tominey tried to link Meghan to ISIS and she didn’t even get a slap on the wrist. Let them try that over here with Michelle or any other publicly known black woman and see what would happen to them. Both tabloid and mainstream British media commentary on Meghan is as nasty and racist as anything you’d find on twitter or a comments section and literally nothing is done about it. So no, America is not just as bad on this when it comes to Black women. Y’all have a real problem over there. We aren’t perfect here but we do have a community that’s not afraid to speak up and call out racism for what it is and to hold people accountable.

  61. Hermione says:

    Racism and xenophobia exist everywhere in the world. I think in the U.S. people of color are more cognizant of it and more vocal about calling it out. The attitude is more no ones putting up with white folks bullshit and going along to get along.

  62. kerwood says:

    If the British people aren’t interested, then WHY are the tabloids on 24/7 Harry and Meghan cycle? Is that for the benefit of Americans. Somebody’s reading that shit.

    I’ve lived in both Britain and the US and I’ve dealt with racism in BOTH countries. But I had to go back to London, England, the place I was born, to have a truck driver spit in my face as he drove by.

  63. notasugarhere says:

    As others have written, why is it dominating UK and global news cycles? Why are groups of WOC MPs coming out with statements in support of Meghan, highlighting the racism? Why are WOC in the UK media banding together to make statements against the racist UK media and being pro-Meghan?

    Sure, Jan.

  64. A says:

    Here’s the thing though–you can say that the ordinary British person doesn’t care about the monarchy. That might very well be true. But the fact of the matter that British people who say this don’t seem to realize is that these people represent you. They represent your country. They represent its people. They are the forward facing ambassadors of your nation to the rest of the world. This is the role they have carved for themselves in the latter half of the 20th century, with the blessing of all ya’ll and the elected representatives of your parliament.

    What do you think it says about Britain to the rest of the world when the Queen openly steps out and demonstrates her support for a man who was friends with a pedophile and sex trafficker for almost two decades and has been credibly accused of raping an underage sex trafficking victim, but didn’t lift a finger to help out her grandson and his wife?

    The same thing applies to your tabloids as well. You’re free to insist that they’re rags and that no British person with an ounce of kindness and compassion would read them, but they do occupy an outsize portion of the global press. They have an enormous amount of influence. That is part of what makes them dangerous beyond the stuff they inflict on the British population themselves. Their reporting, for better or for worse, gets picked up by people around the world.

    “But I don’t read the tabloids! But I don’t support the monarchy! It’s your fault if your local press recycles stories from the tabloids! It’s the Americans who care too much about the monarchy!” Except it doesn’t work that way. People live in a society. The ambivalence of British people is not anywhere as neutral as you, or anyone else, would like to think. When you’re quiet in the face of egregious behaviour, you’re supporting that egregious behaviour. When you don’t raise hell about a pedophile rapist who has thus far used his royal status as a means of protecting himself from justice, you’re supporting an institution that is telling you that it’s above the law, that its members, by virtue of their birth alone, are above consequences for the crimes they commit. When you don’t actively agitate against a gutter press that tears people down and destroys their lives, you’re giving them the freedom to continue to do that. Ignoring bullies doesn’t work. It’s what bullies tell you works when all it does is allow them to get away with their behaviour.

    And when you continue to be ambivalent and shrug your shoulders and say things like, “Oh nobody in Britain cares about the monarchy really,”/”Oh most people in Britain don’t read the tabloids,” what you’re saying to the rest of the world is, “We don’t know, and we don’t care to know or think too deeply about how these institutions affect people in reality.” This is the impression that people get about Britain. That a sizeable percentage of ya’ll don’t give a fuck about other people, well into the 21st century.

  65. ME says:

    The American press isn’t that much better. Let’s not act like racism doesn’t exist in America.

  66. Mich says:

    I in no way said or implied that racism doesn’t exist in America or in the American press. I was discussing the majority of American coverage about this particular story. Please don’t twist my words like that. I find it deeply offensive.

  67. VS says:

    @Mich ——- ME’s reaction looks like those british who say: UK is not as racist as the US……..I am from the US, there are plenty of racists here but at least we don’t feel attacked when people point it!

    The treatment Meghan received was plainly racist, coupled with xenophobia, sexism and jealousy/envy (from some white women who thought H marrying M said something about their own desirability in the dating pool LOL)

  68. ME says:

    @ Mich

    I wasn’t twisting your words. It was a general statement to many who seem to think racism doesn’t exist in America. It’s everywhere. Meghan won’t be able to escape it, not even in Canada. As a WOC I would know.

    @VS

    What reaction? It was a simple statement. Why is everyone so on edge jeez. The UK has racism just like every other place on earth. I haven’t been able to escape it so I highly doubt Meghan will.

  69. VS says:

    @ME —— you misrepresented or misinterpreted what Mich said to begin with; so please let’s stop with everyone being on ‘edge’. People just addressed your first statement and reaction.

    Sussexit was clearly H’s decision. I never doubt it; Meghan is a strong woman and I respect her stance here to support him instead of saying ‘H let’s say, it will get better’……..as you clearly said, it won’t but it won’t matter.

    With them gone, why should the press talk about them when there are 3 future heirs in waiting? if they continue, then there is clearly a problem in the UK

  70. BayTampaBay says:

    I would love to know what QEII really thinks about all that has transpired in this mess.

  71. kerwood says:

    @BayTampaBay, the Queen’s too busy making England safe for sex traffickers.

  72. yinyang says:

    Its disgusting when national press networks allow racists to have a voice and create narratives, it’s a real low and I quit watching.

  73. Well someone is buying all those papers on a daily basis or they’d all be out of business. Come on, own it. I do. I’m American and I’m ashamed at the way we treat our Indigenous people, immigrants (Especially considering that every Caucasian here is from immigrant stock), and Blacks. Britain is as racist as we are as are way too many other countries. Maybe it would help us all if an alien race descended and we could all of a sudden realize we are all much more alike than we are different. I don’t know. I just know that we seem to be in a period of time where we are backsliding into something nasty that we had begun to drag ourselves out of.

  74. GuestWho says:

    You should be interested though. You should be interested that there is no accountability in your press. You should be interested that “real” newspapers are regurgitating untruths from the tabloids. You should be interested that a well known presenter on a mainstream morning show has been able to abuse his platform to harass and denigrate a woman who didn’t want to be friends with him. You should be interested, and I repeat this because it is really important, that there is no accountability in your press. Do you think this is the only story that gets distorted beyond anything recognizable as truth? Even if you don’t care that a high-profile bi-racial couple has been hounded out of your country by pure hate, you should care that your news/press is in no way objective.

  75. lingli says:

    Tabloid newspaper circulation is lower than you’d expect, given how much influence they have: the Mirror and the Express average about 300,000 copies daily, and the Mail and Sun sell 1.1 million and 1.25 million, respectively. (The UK has a population of around 67 million.) Of course, the Mail in particular has a website that sees huge amounts of traffic from all over the world (even if a lot of its comments come from bots).

    This story has made it into mainstream media (such as the BBC and The Guardian, which doesn’t even have a royal correspondent) partly because it’s (basically) a constitutional issue, and partly I suspect because it’s *not* freakin’ Brexit.

    The majority of the UK public say they support the RF, but that does vary according to age and where you are – e.g. a 2018 poll showed 79% of over-70s were in favour, while only 57% of 18-24 y.o were (and 25% of those were opposed, so nearly 20% are basically indifferent). I posted a couple of polls a while back that showed those 18-24 figures are basically mirrored across the whole of Scotland’s population, too. So it doesn’t surprise me that commenters are reporting that in their social circles no one really cares about this. Overall, the number of people really invested are like in most fandoms, i suspect – a small but vocal minority.

    As for tabloid culture, I’m not going to deny that there’s a racist element to tabloid reporting in the UK. There’s also a *ferociously* misogynist element, especially in the Mail, and a very strong classist element too (despite the fact that the tabloids traditionally had a working class readership – the Mirror is the only one that’s still left-wing in any way). They’re basically cesspools of seething envy, resentment and unwarranted victimhood and they make the National Enquirer look like Pulitzer prize-winning journalism by comparison.

    (Interestingly, Hello! Magazine, which never publishes critical or negative stories about anyone, sells 1.7 million copies a month, which is kind of reassuring, in a way.)

  76. Antonym says:

    @GuestWho: 👏👏👏

  77. Sparkly says:

    GuestWho, I know I’m late to this thread, but I want to thank you so much for your comment.

  78. Mich says:

    And people like odious git Laurence Fox are being turned into rising heroes.

    Between this and Brexit, the world at large is getting a glimpse of what lies behind the veneer of the once mighty United Kingdom: Little England.

  79. Valiantly Varnished says:

    Thank you for your comment. I remember reading recently some comments made by Stormzy – who I am a huge fan of btw – and how he was jumped all over for speaking truthfully. There seems to be this idea in the UK that if you dont talk about racism and racial inequality then it doesnt exist.

  80. Samsara says:

    I think racism is different in the UK compared to the US but it’s still there and the media plays on it. I would also agree that the audience of the British tabloid media, isn’t necessarily aimed at the the British people. An element of it is but the UK is a small place and aiming your stories at an American audience is going to be more lucrative. I also think that xenophobia is a much bigger issue in the UK than the US towards certain countries and that the US audience is either in denial about that or just doesn’t see it.

  81. Sunnee says:

    I have a co-worker who moved to London for her bf. It took more than a year to get her work visa. She’s a professional with a MS in her field. She said the classicism in UK is off the chain. No matter your success or educational achievement you’re working class, always less than. Those born into aristocracy hold the top spot, even if they have no money and no job success. She said it was odd. Here in the US, a self made person is respected for their achievements: Jobs, Bloomberg, Oprah, Bill Gates. Even on s smaller scale the dude who’s now a millionaire and whose dad mopped floors is respected. There, not so much. BUT, what she said was even worse is the CASUAL nature of the racism in U.K. and it’s against everyone who isn’t white. She’s a black woman raised in So Cal. This is a woman whose regularly visits her relatives in Houston so she’s seen racism in LA and TX. She was appalled and said the racism in the UK was everywhere. She came back within two years.

  82. kerwood says:

    @Bohemian Angel, thank you for this. It’s so hard to read comments about how racism in the UK isn’t as bad as it is in the US when I know FOR A FACT that it isn’t true. And to claim that this story isn’t a big deal in GB is simply crazy. The BRITISH media has given Thomas Markle a documentary. Most Americans wouldn”t have any idea who he was but he’s practically a household name in Great Britain.

    I don’t know what the advantage is in denying racism in the UK. How do you fight something if you won’t even acknowledge it exists?

  83. morrigan01 says:

    @Sunnee

    What you said is something I noted a few months ago wrt the treatment of Meghan but, also, Meghan’s likley reaction to how she was treated. And that how the class system of GB was totally intermingled with the racism she was facing.

    In the US we celebrate upward mobility. No one cares what your parents did and we tend to admire it even more if they were “working class” as it were, and you were able to succeed in a big way. Our class system in the US is based on money status, not who or what your family was or where they came from.

    From reading here, it seems to be a thing that people in the UK just kinda ignore racist things and get twisted out of shape if someone dares to bring up race. That is kinda how I heard it described by Afua Hirsch around the time of the wedding. It’s kinda like a collective denial the majority of Brits have – that if they don’t talk about race and racism then it doesn’t exist.

    Thing is, in the US, Black Americans pretty much forced the country to talk about it with the Civil Rights movement. And then with Obama’s candidacy, we were forced to talk about it again, especially when he gave his speech on race and pointely said we’d been in a racial stalemate since the Civil Rights movement.

    We Black Americans, by in large, aren’t afraid to punch the system in the face wrt race when it needs to be. And I think it probably comes from *not* having this idea that someone is better than you, or is a “better” at all simply because of who they were born to or what class they were born in. Afforded more privilege maybe, yes. But “better”? Hell no. We have our old-money families in the US, but nobody thinks the Vanderbilts or the Du Ponts are “better” than them just because of any wealth they may have. No one in the US dreams of making it rich just to hang out with them.

    There was an interesting article in the Atlantic just a day or two ago from a black woman from the US who married an Aristo British guy and what it was like from her outside perspective to be in that world. In the end, she notes that she got fed up with it after a time and took her baby and her Eton-educated British Husband and moved them back to the US. And that the British Husband has felt more free being here without the weight of the British Class System on his shoulders anymore, and that he grows more reluctant every year to go back.

  84. morrigan01 says:

    @kerwood

    American news media have never interviewed either Thomas or Samantha Markle. Because, unlike UK media, the US media don’t pay for interviews. (I think Samantha was on Inside Edition, but no one in the US considers them news – they are a tabloid just like TMZ, who are known to pay for info and interviews and get sneered at by more traditional news agencies in the US because of that).

    I’ve no doubt that all the news orgs in the US knew Thomas Markle was trash the minute he called TMZ when he bailed out on the wedding. He didn’t call the LA Times or even Variety, or the Hollywood Reporter. He called TMZ. I guarantee you every US News Desk and Network knew what he was all about after he did that.

  85. Wisca says:

    morrigan01,

    Don’t forget that the black woman not only took her husband back to the US, but they live in Harlem. ;-)

  86. Guest2.0 says:

    Fox News is in no way more powerful than the British tabloids. There has never been a public inquiry into American news organizations such as the Leveson inquiry. (The Leveson inquiry was a judicial public inquiry into the culture, practices and ethics of the British press following the News International phone hacking scandal, chaired by Lord Justice Leveson, who was appointed in July 2011. A series of public hearings were held throughout 2011 and 2012.—Wikipedia)

    And yes, the clown currently acting as President has Fox on speed dial, but he butts head with Fox at times if they don’t constantly praise his fragile ego. No other organization tolerates his foolishness.

  87. kerwood says:

    Do you really believe that the British people would have welcomed a bi-racial British accountant with open arms?

    It makes me sad to hear that Black people in the UK have bought the argument that they’re better off in England because at least nobody’s burning crosses on their lawns. The British claim ‘it’s CLASS, it’s not race’. But how many Black people are able to rise above their class? The number of prominent Black people in Great Britain is a disgrace considering the population size and how long Black people have been in Great Britain, which is a lot longer than most people INCLUDING the British care to admit. It didn’t just start with Windrush.

    Great Britain taught the world racism and they’ve never let up. The absolutey INSANE coverage of the Duchess of Sussex in the mainstream press, with virtually no voice to the contrary, would NEVER have happened in the United States.

    I have no doubt that most British people don’t care that much about the royal family. But I’m sure they’re aware of the coverage. How could they miss it?

  88. MrsBump says:

    @Kerwood – Yes i really do believe that a black british accountant would have received a much better treatment a black american actress, without a doubt.
    British Accountant Meghan would have faced racism too, without a doubt, let’s not pretend that there is no racism in the UK, i have faced it too, but being an American and an actress played a huge part in how she was treated.
    That said, none of this diminishes the plague that is the tabloid press. The next victim will now be Georges’s girlfriend.

  89. BayTampaBay says:

    @MrsBump, I agree with you and Emma McQuiston Thynn, Viscountess Weymouth is the perfect example

  90. kerwood says:

    @Mrs. Bump, I’ve often wondered what would happen if George were to come out as gay or transgendered? What would the tabloids do to him?

  91. Nic919 says:

    Rupert Murdoch owns Fox and many of the UK right wing papers so it’s safe to say his brand of racism is in both countries. Australia has a huge problem as well. See the current PM trying to deny climate change as his country literally burns..

  92. Desdemona says:

    Hi, Portuguese here.From my understanding and from friends who live and work in the UK. there are three main problems: classism, aristocrats are better then the rest even if they are total losers, racism towards people who aren’t white and xenophobia, not just against the US, but against Southern and Easterns Europeans too… I can give an example, one of my friends is a high school teacher (portuguese born and raised, tall, red-haired with freckles . if you look at him on the street you’ll think he is the typical portuguese guy, not really, 100% portuguese), but some of is students’ parents have tried to trash him because of his accent (not british, you can’t speak English properly – his mother is an English teacher and his English is quite perfect, just a slight accent), his background, said a portuguese person can’t be a good teacher, if only my son/ daughter had a better teacher (british) and not an idiotic portuguese… This was just to say that these three evils are very powerful in the UK… They think they are better than the rest of the world

  93. GuestWho says:

    Just real quick about Fox News…yes, there is a segment of the country that believes their skewed coverage, and they are loud and proud of their ignorance. What is the connection here with UK tabloids? Rupert flipping Murdoch – who has a much bigger hold over a much smaller population in the UK.

  94. MrsBump says:

    Kerwood,

    Ive wondered that myself.
    I think he would be accepted if he was gay, it would be interesting to see though how his boyfriend would be treated. I really doubt they would hound and criticize him they way they do to the women who marry in.
    If he was to come out as transgender, in today’s world i really doubt he’d be accepted with open arms. Maybe the world will change radically in the next 20 years.

  95. ME says:

    The spitting incident (sorry that happened to you) can happen anywhere. I live in Canada but have also lived in the U.K. We had eggs thrown at us in Birmingham U.K. Those assholes. But spitting happened to us in Canada, good thing the a$$hole missed though !

  96. kerwood says:

    @ME, of course it can happen anywhere. I grew up in Canada, I know all about Canadian racism. But it didn’t happen ANYWHERE to me. It happened TO ME in London, England the place I was born. And I had bought the myth that racism in England wasn’t as bad as other places, even though that’s why my parents left in the first place. So, I just stood there in shock, as the truck driver drove away laughing and the spit ran down my face.

  97. Jaded says:

    My best friend married a fellow in the US air force, he’s black and she’s white. They were once posted to Charleston, S.C. and ordered to live on base because it was too dangerous for a mixed race couple to live off base, which they normally did. They had a two-year old daughter when I went to visit them in the mid-eighties and naturally they took me around to some of the historical areas. Several times white trash hicks would drive by and scream the WORST, most abusive comments I’ve ever heard. One guy tried to run us off the road. One day while I was there my BFF was really tired, the kid had been up bothering her half the night so I offered to take the little one for a walk and get her an ice-cream cone so she could have a nap. Bad idea…I got glared at, heard whispered comments about the “half-n*gger” child, and one guy spat at my feet. Whenever they came to visit us in Canada they were amazed at the lack of reaction from the average Canadian. When they were posted to Germany they were pretty much left alone, however England was a different matter. The racism was not as “in your face” as it was in the US but it was definitely there. Sad that all these years later it’s still rife all over the world.

  98. VS says:

    BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO……….some British are trying to sell the feeble that they are somehow better because they aren’t burning crosses or POC aren’t getting killed; yes we have those people in the US, but those with a platform who had tried to racially insult MO or her daughters would lose their job; look at the UK, Meghan was attacked for putting ONLY 5 WHITE WOMEN on the picture of Vogue and no one said anything about it! my goodness…….I should just stop……..

  99. morrigan01 says:

    As I said above, we Black American aren’t afraid to punch the system over here in the face wrt race if we have to. Forcing the country to deal with race was the whole point of the Civil Rights movement.

    And we don’t sit back when it come to things like you mentioned above. *That* is the thing that is most egregious about all of this. That no practically no one over there in the UK stepped up to defend Meghan from all of this – *except* for her damn husband. Piers Morgan would have never been allowed to go on as long as he has in the way that he has if he’d been over here. There would have been calls for his firing, and wall to wall debates on the 24 hour news channels about what his problem was (with a number of black commentators on to talk about it as well).

    No, the US isn’t perfect when it comes to race and racism. No one is saying it is. But at least we don’t bury our heads in the sand when it comes to the issue itself. Especially Black Americans. It’s not in our culture to.

  100. kerwood says:

    I hope this is a turning point for people of colour, especially women of colour. Sometimes it takes an outsider for people to see just how horrible things are.

  101. Guest2.0 says:

    And black British actors migrate to the U.S. for work because many have stated how limited their opportunities are in their native Britain. Why have Cynthia Erivo, John Boyega, hell even Idris Elba had come to the U.S.?

  102. kerwood says:

    @Guest 2.0, very good point. Black actors don’t anywhere NEAR the opportunities that African-American actors do. So it seems like the second an Anglo-African actor gets any kind of name recognition, they’re on the first thing smoking to the US. And I don’t blame them one bit. Why sit around and starve when you have the opportunity to work at your profession?

  103. morrigan01 says:

    @Guest 2.0 I’m not one to hold Lainey Gossip up much at all, but she *did* say something very interesting about this whole situation with Meghan and Harry which was: Hollywood may have issues with diversity, but it is WAY more diverse than the British Aristocracy.

    As someone who grew up around the entertainment industry and heard stories from my dad about what that lake of diversity in the industry was like? Lainey’s comment is a “yikes!” That black actors from Britain feel they have better opportunities for work in the entertainment industry in the US than in the UK is a big-old “yikes.”

  104. Rachel says:

    I’ve heard that sometimes bi-racial people are treated worse than those who are black and not mixed race. When Meghan seemed to be so quickly “accepted” into the royal family, I thought it was because she could “pass” for white and had a hard time believing she would have been accepted and approved if she was the same colour as her mum.

    A bi-racial friend told me that for her, growing up was difficult as she was rejected by blacks for being not black enough and for whites for not being white enough.

    Things are never how they appear..

  105. Nahema says:

    I think you’ve got a good point. People don’t speak out in order to avoid offence, even if they’re themselves offended. I’m mixed race and was at work today, listening to an old white guy talking about a black guy and his expressions were racist but I didn’t say a thing. I cringed but then I thought ‘well he’s old, he doesn’t know better and he’s an alright guy’. I suspect that this goes on more in GB than the US because it’s culturally ingrained.

    I honestly also think a lot of people don’t know the difference between racism and xenophobia but the latter is a significant problem in the UK. I know the US has this too with their hatred of immigrants but the UK being a small country with its tax funded health care means that a lot of people fear and hate immigrants too. Maybe to a greater extent than our cousins across the pond. There is lots of bad feeling towards the French, Germans and Americans for various things. I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve heard someone slag off the French for example, saying “I’m not racist but”…

    The French are not a race.

  106. Guest2.0 says:

    @Nahema. Thank you for sharing your perspective. I find it always helpful to dialogue and learn from one another. And I agree that people often don’t know the difference between racism and xenophobia. Here in the U.S., xenophobia is definitely becoming more of an issue and it’s truly sad, since everyone except for Native Americans immigrated here from somewhere else. Well, except for African Americans…our ancestors were stolen from Africa. And we don’t bite our tongue when calling white folks out on their racism. And I think that’s why African Americans are appalled at Meghan’s treatment. The media would never have been allowed to get away with treating her that way and Piers Morgan most definitely would not be on national television spouting his nonsense and acting a fool.

  107. Wisca says:

    Black Americans were both stolen and SOLD by Africans, which makes me wonder if some of this lack of solidarity is that some black Brits do not consider Meghan kinfolk.

  108. morrigan01 says:

    The BBC cover the tabloid headlines when they are going over the “morning headlines.” Daily Mail, The Sun, etc, are all talked about. Can you imagine if TMZ, The National Enquirer, The Globe, etc were covered every morning by NBC, CBS, ABC? Their news networks would be laughed off the air. Even Fox News knows enough not to talk about what The National Enquirer or TMZ are saying every morning, let alone invite their “reporters” on to talk.

  109. Guest2.0 says:

    “To ignore evil, is to become accomplice to it.”
    —Martin Luther King, Jr.

  110. kerwood says:

    @A, this is one of the best comments I’ve read about this horrible situation. Thank you very much.

  111. MrsBump says:

    i wish American people were this riled up when your government wages war against other countries.
    i don’t mean to be facetious, but i feel like the rest of world are constantly on the receiving end sermons from Americans. It is only since trump came around that Americans got a glimpse of how they are seen around the world but it started well before.

    YES Meghan was treated horribly by the british press, but before you start pointing fingers at an entire nation for its “egregious behavior” , take a good long look at your own behavior and your own inaction when your country bombed others and killed hundreds of thousands in the process.