I still have many questions about everything involving Sussexit, aka the Duke and Duchess’s exit from England. I have questions about how and why TMZ is covering Sussexit the way they are. I have questions about just how the final terms of the deal were struck. I have questions about whether the Queen really is a punitive, petty a–hole. I have questions about whether Meghan and Harry decided to largely walk away from everything in exchange for some semblance of freedom. We already know that Harry had to resign his military patronages as part of the Sussexit deal. He and Meghan also had to give up their Commonwealth Youth Ambassadorships and their positions in the Commonwealth Youth program. But why? And how did that decision get made? According to TMZ, Meghan and Harry were “shocked” about it.
Megxit presented a huge unintended consequence for Prince Harry and Meghan Markle … the loss of one of their beloved titles, Commonwealth Youth Ambassadors. Sources close to the couple tell TMZ … the Duke and Duchess of Sussex were “shocked” they had to forgo their roles as youth ambassadors to the Commonwealth … as part of the Megxit deal they struck with Queen Elizabeth, Prince William and Prince Charles.
As you know … Harry and Megan were forced to stop using their Royal titles when they spurned the Crown and moved to Canada. We’re told the couple didn’t expect their ambassadorships to even be on the table during Megxit negotiations — but the Queen drew a hard line in the sand, and they had to surrender the role.
The Commonwealth is a group of 53 nations … almost all former British territories, such as Canada. In their time as youth ambassadors, Harry and Meghan were tasked with empowering young people in those countries to tackle the problems facing their generations. Meghan joined Harry as a youth ambassador right before their wedding, and we’re told the job was very important to them. Meghan even had the flowers of all 53 Commonwealth nations embroidered into her wedding dress.
Seems Harry and Meghan are still not ready to let go — their official website still has an entire section dedicated to their work as youth ambassadors. Time for a site update, STAT!!!
A week ago or so, I was glancing through some coverage of “what Sussexit meant” and whether it was a win for H&M, etc. I can’t find the piece now, but suffice to say, the royal commentator made the argument that yes, the Queen really is that f–king petty and that Harry and Meghan basically got nothing they wanted. I still maintain that their main goal was simply freedom, and they just gave the Queen a laundry list of what they wanted, and they were prepared to walk away with next to nothing from the list. But yeah, as more time passes, it’s become a lot clearer that for all of the Queen’s careful wording, she was pissed off at Harry and Meghan and she “punished” them for daring to leave… after they had been smeared and abused for two years.
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I have a feeling that 2 new Commonwealth Youth Ambassadors will be announced, I think we all know who they will be.
Ugh.
If they give it to the Duke and duchess of bland ville then they are more stupid then I initially thought.
Osty, DU is speaking of the York “Princesses of the Blood”. Blech!
They were the president and vice president of the Queen’s Commonwealth Trust, which was launched around the time of H+M’s wedding. I think the queen wanted to attach big name royals to the foundation focused on youth programming to help get it off the ground.
I’m not sure why they cannot continue in those roles, but if they do not, it does not appear essential that they be replaced.
@Mac- they are still the P and VP of the QCT. Its “just” the youth ambassador roles that have been removed, which kind of makes it weirder IMO.
DU- I suspect you are right, which is why this Sussex story is getting play- to remind the public of who the new ambassadors are stepping in for.
But IDK if the Cambs will be the new ambassadors. I suspect the role went to the Sussexes in the first place because the Cambs didn’t want the work. I know they’re keen to be seen due to Sussexit, but IDK if they’re keen enough.
Also- lots of “Sophie will step up” stories and Sophie and Ed attended that recent banquet in H&M’s place. They might be chosen?
Sophie and Ed anre TOO old to be youth Ambassadors. For Youth Ambasador it would have to be someone like the York girls or Lady Amilia Windsor who is no where close to be a working Royal and does not have an HRH in front of her name.
Maybe this explains the article this week about the York girls stepping up now that the Sussexes are gone. They might take over this role, would tie into Eugenie’s work on human trafficking (cough).
The York girls should not be promoted. I don’t think Pedo Andy should be rewarded (you know he always pushed his kids for significant roles).
ok >> unpop opinion here but it would be such a farce if York girls become Youth Ambassadors …… They both lived at home with parents when Epstien scandal first broke …. They were not toddlers…They and their Mom KNEW , covered for and supported dear dad’s sick funfest … I will never believe they did not know .
Prince Charles supports pedo priest , Pr W dips wick anywhere , Pr Andrew ,, well u know
Ah , family traditions !!
Harry and Meghan .. RUN ,DO NOT WALK to nearest exit
@elle and Harry was what? Walking around with his head in the clouds? He knew what his uncle did too but hasn’t said a single word about it.
NVYwife: Why was it Harry’s job to speak out? If Harry knew anything William must have also – and yet you refrain from pillorying him for not speaking out.
Prince Pedo invited Jeffrey Epstein to his daughter Princess Beatrice’s birthday party, two months after a warrant was issued for Epstein for sexual assault of a minor. It’s beyond creepy. The Yorks knew and circled the wagons.
I think the Cambs will definitely take the role now just to rub salt into their wounds. All apart of their ‘we are the saviours of the monarchy’ campaign.
I saw one of the news sources on my Apple News aggregator say that was likely. Along with William being likely to assume all of Harry’s military patronages. I read different articles from different sources so I don’t remember if that speculation was from a reliable source or not.
William was never on the front lines. HM should have let Harry keep the military patronages.
When is Brexit Happening again? Bingo, distract by placing articles about the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, rinse and repeat until the deed is done. That’s my two cents and I am sticking to it.
Agree.
I still don’t understand why they were allowed to keep their roles as President and Vice President of the Commonwealth Trust but forced to give up Harry’s role as Commonweath Youth Ambassador. Can anyone explain why Queen was ok with one and not the other? My only thought is that William wanted that role and was unhappy when Queen gave it to Harry so Sussexit was a William’s chance to take it away from Harry.
Who were the previous Commonwealth Youth ambassadors, if any? I think this role was specially created for the Sussexes because the Queen cares a lot about the Commonwealth and knew that they would be excellent at it.
I doubt if the roles will be filled any time soon.
However, I think that Harry and Meghan will attend the Commonwealth Day events in March….let is wait and see.
Bill and Kate, probably. And then, she’s going to give light to a five-question quizz, which was made by a ten years old person, copying from some website.
Honestly folks, a long, long time ago I was teacher and in those far away days we studied the integration of the society on the behavior and learning of the student (I have no clue how it’s now). Those questions weren’t made to draw any profile (society, family or group of students) of the group who was enquired or to gather informations to draw a possible way for solutions.
Short words, that “thing” is nothing and means nothing.
Anyway, another possibity: Bea and Eugene. Probably Daddy, while he was being a Tower of Strength, was lobbying to put his girls on the easy road (I mean, paid royals). Nobody really thinks he was just there for the goodness of his heart! (eyes rolling behind the head!)
I don’t think the Queen was pissed as much as she didn’t want confusion. I doubt they were shocked.
Right? This doesn’t seem unreasonable or that it could have been all that unexpected. If the point is to be independent and do things their own way, that’s not a good fit for an official “Ambassador” of any kind. Even brand ambassadors on Instagram are called that because they tell you the official word from whatever company is paying them. Any kind of entity would balk at having someone out there presenting to the public as a conduit between the org and the audience when really they’re unaffiliated.
Also wondering if there would be legal stuff? Deciding not to be working royals removes funds for working, thus they can’t keep that work active (youth ambassador) because they’re no longer representing the queen, and that’s who the job’s boss is?
I agree with all of this. It wouldn’t make sense that they could continue that roll.
Yeaaaaah I think this is not particularly noteworthy or petty. H&M quit their job to do another job, it follows that they are not ambassadors of the company that they no longer work for. I fail to see the pettiness.
This is just like working in real life. If you leave the company, do you still get to keep some of the duties? Of course not. How can you represent some firm or company when you quit?
agree, I think they must have known what would happen.
Not really. The real world parallel would be if you’re working full time for a company and, because you’re being abused by clients (and maybe also the victim of harassment from within the company), you say that you would prefer to work part time as a volunteer instead of as a remunerated worker. And then you’re company is like “No volunteering!” and they fire you. In a real world scenario, the worker who is fired could try to sue for wrongful termination depending on the legal framework impacting that company. In my company, they would win, be rehired, compensated for lost wages and the company would be told to do something about the culture of harassment.
One of the most titled and entitled women in the can’t understand the dog whistles of minority oppression? I am SHOCKED.
I think I agree. I think The Firm was terrified of the criticism that would come about the money issues if they were half in/half out. That said, taking away Harry’s military appointments just seems mean and petty. Taking away commonwealth youth stuff is just stupid! Please no to Bea and Euj taking it over!!
I agree. TQ should have allowed Harry to keep his military appointments considering he is a veteran and fought for TQ in Afghanistan. I also think that his military appointments would play in part with the Invictus games, but I don’t know. I think that Will had a say in what H and M were able to keep as he probably told his father what he wanted them to keep. I wouldn’t put it past William to be petty. He always seemed to be sticking his nose in everyone’s business. Plus he was angry that Meghan took the spotlight off of Kate, which she probably had a fit about and he had to hear it.
From every news they published, I think the queen was mad like hell and giving instructions to make them an example.
You are absolutely right. The queen always avoid and did everything possible to prevent confrontation. But, please, notice that she’s a bit different: she is openly protecting Andy, against all the odds (bad news and public opinion). I don’t know if the queen of the old days would do that. Probably she would lock herself away, until the tide was finished.
They may have lost the fancy title, but I have no doubt that they will continue their charitable endeavors. Keep running from the monarchy H & M. And just do you. Kind, caring, empathetic, and sincere. What a toxic family to get away from. Bravo!
Yes. I think it’s a good thing, they should make their endeavors their own.
I don’t think they were shocked. How can anything shock you after what they had gone through? How can you be shocked when a pedophile, rapist is getting Royal protection. How can you be shocked when tabloid writing about Rose just vanishes? Shocked? I don’t think so. No. I don’t think so.
TELL IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes.
Also, I kind of doubt they were upset about it. They want to get away from all that, rightfully so, and will just start their own youth outreach programs. They don’t need the Queen or the BRF.
@Pineapple, PREACH!!! Their baby was called a monkey and NOBODY in Harry’s family said a fucking word. Why would the Sussexes be surprised that people who had shown themselves to be assholes ACTED like assholes?
But is being called a monkey isn’t NEARLY as bad as being accused of wearing a wiglet or getting fillers. That’s what truly needs protection.
All of this, Pineapple. All of it.
The Queen is a spiteful, petty person with a pedophile of a son and a family of vile people. She rejects and supports smearing the ones she can’t control and rewards the ones who lie to her face.
Good, caring people are often shocked and dismayed when horrible people keep doing horrible things after it’s been pointed out to them that what they are doing is horrible. Some folks are just built to consistently believe in the best of others, and think they will finally do the right thing, because it is the right thing to do. Nobody is perfect, but there are those who wake up every day trying to give the world the best of themselves. It’s hard to understand consistent selfishness, pettiness and determined greediness from someone you have admired and respected…loved even. I bet they were hurt and disappointed at this. I know I was. As a commonwealth-er…if it’s one of the York girls, that’s gonna be uncomfortable, what with their Dad’s behaviour and all. There really is no one suitable to fill the role except D&DoS, and I will continue my (currently) low-level agitating to leave the commonwealth if we get stuck with a dick or dickess(es). In some ways, we hear Queenie saying “youth be damned” …
William and Kate to me are very self serving, supposedly William had a “say” in what happened to Harry which is a total disgrace. He is not the one to play guardian to his brother. He gets above himself.
Right?!?! Numb from the final insult as you walk out the door is not the same as shocked. This is the Queen doing the equivalent of demanding to keep the vacuum cleaner while the police help the abuse victim pack his/her things to leave after the restraining order was handed down. No one was shocked.
Why should they delete work they did as Commonwealth Ambassadors? I wouldn’t either.
In their new life they probably plan to continue working in those regions, so I’d keep them up too.
The Queen took this and Harry’s military appointments because they refused to work with the royal rota any longer.
Imho, it does seem that the Queen choose the royal rota over Harry and Meghan. I can only imagine what dirt the various royal reporters have the royal family and I hope that some day they spill all that tea.
that andrew is not philip son.
Yep!
one of main science evidences is that andrew doesnt have that windsor baldness which is passed by the father gene. i have many doubts on harry with lately harry is having those windsor genes of baldness, so far harry baldness is protected by spencer red genes but it last it gave in. harry will likely be baldness in few years like rest of winsor. andrew is almost 60 with no sign of baldness. many rumors is that he is queen love child with that lord. when you look at the photo of lord and andrew side by side they look similar. also that lord have Dyslexia and one of the york sister have dyslexia (rest of rf kids or grandkids dont have it). it passed from grandfather to grandchild. like my cousin have asthma passed by my grandmother , rest of us dont have it though . some genes skip one generation and comes out in others. thats why cosuins should not be marraied because those symptoms wont appear in first gen but surely comes in second gene. there are so many illlgeitmate kids in brf.
That Highgrove is a sexual wonderland.
@aria Baldness also skips a generation genetically. And genes come from both parents, so just because you have a bald paternal grandfather doesn’t *necessarily* mean you will be bald.
@aria it’s common knowledge that Harry also has dyslexia, as does Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden. Widely believed Edward VII was dyslexic as well but can’t be confirmed because it wasn’t diagnosed back then. If that gene’s being inherited from anyone, it’s thanks to Queen Victoria and Prince Albert. The physical resemblance is certainly there between Andrew and Porchester, but dyslexia is not the deciding factor. Andrew also looks like Philip’s side of the family. Maybe not his father directly, but there are definite similarities between Andrew & Pss. Alice.
@aria – pattern baldness often is carried through the maternal line. Look at the late Earl Spencer – William and Harry both take after their maternal grandfather in that regard.
I think they will role out a totally updated website in the next few months with maybe even a name change from SussexRoyal to something else. The note posted on Jan 18 asks us to bear with them and be patient.
No. I totally agree she is a punitive, petty asshole. I like that. I am going with it.
That seems especially foolish and petty of the Queen. It also seems kind of pointless. Taking away military patronage would restrict someone’s ability to do that work, but it’s not like anyone needs permission to do work with young people. I’m sure they’ll roll that work into their current plans and call it something else
Well, the queen has proven herself to be especially foolish and petty. This is just reminding people what she’s really like after years of happy granny act. She’s always been awful. I’m sure H&M will do wonderful work with young people worldwide.
What did they expect? If you’re no longer a working member of the Royal Family, you don’t get to keep the roles that go with it. They somehow thought they could give up all the things they didn’t like about being royal and just keep what they liked – it doesn’t work that way.
Exactly!
I agree. These are Head of State kinds of roles, which realistically come with ethical responsibilities as to avoiding conflicts of interest and the appearance of impropriety. I can see where it was going to be impossible to separate what Harry and Megan wanted to do privately, but possibly in a high profile way, with retaining those roles. It was just going to open them up to more criticism.
They still wanted to work, this is the Queen just punishing them.
If she wanted to punish them, she wouldn’t have allowed Charles to provide financial support, without a deadline of said support ending, to them. They quit the company. How can they be spokespersons to that company?
There are two sides of the RF. Private and public. This is the public side. They left their jobs so obviously they don’t get to keep working for that company.
@holly hobby They didn’t quit. They wanted to work part time. They were told no, booted out, and now “the company” is hoping to find someone to do the work Harry and Meghan were already willing to do.
I’ve mentioned that before, the stated intent was to continue work for TQ when called, I pondered what if they don’t call.
Showing up for tours etc. s opting out of the rest didn’t ring feasible.
Plus the taxpayers would have to pay for their travel when they do have to show up for royal engagements in Britain. You think they will fly coach for free?
why andrew and yorks girls have title they dont work for brf but still they have ?
Don’t understand the rehabilitation of Andrew.
The fact that, for example, the Princess Michael has all the titles, makes money using HRH, works part time, and doesn’t get smeared is probably what the Sussexes wanted as well.
It’s not out of the ordinary what the Sussexes requested and it would have served the queen.
But that isnt what happened.
Ugh. She’s the one that wore that racist brooch for meeting Meghan.
PM wearing that brooch was not by mistake. That was a deliberate slap in the face to put Meghan “in her place”. And I would bet *everything* that “One” *cough* did not make her remove it before they sat down to lunch, either.
I for one am never shocked by Princess Michael. Her father was a high ranking Nazi and she has always expressed pride in him which indicates to me a shared belief system. I understand she is much disliked among the other family members.
The Head of Commonwealth isn’t an inherited position and the Queen had to lobby that Charles would get it after her. Commonwealth positions involve all the commonwealth countries equally and are not just for the Queen to dole out, so this is a bad look for them. The strictly UK based military appointments are show titles for the BRF, most of whom never did active service, so removing them has more connection to not working in the BRF, but the commonwealth positions being removed are sure to annoy the other commonwealth countries, where Harry and Meghan are quite popular. This will probably lead to more countries asserting more control over what is going on with these commonwealth positions.
@Nic19…you’re absolutely correct about the Queen championing Charles as head. She had to work to get them to agree to Charles. Taking away Harry & Meghan’s roles for simply being unable and unwilling to put up with racist smears is a really bad look. Placing the Cambs in that role will not placate them. It’s only going to make those nations look really hard at voting William as Head.
Well, we can’t show the Commonwealth that it is ok to stand up to racism, right? #colonizers
Wow, you somehow know their thoughts!
Got any advice on the stock market? Super Bowl over/under?
#WhatAboutPedoAndy
It’s a bad look.
If they wanted the roles they should have negotiated better before going public with their website. I still think that they rushed it by releasing the website even if there were leaks. They could have denied until everything was ready
this is your first here, their deal is sort of leaked by william camp , thats why they rushed her process.
As aria said, they weren’t planning on announcing this until SPRING. That fact has been said many times. Harry was asked to put his wishes in writing, he didn’t want to because he was afraid they would leak to the press prematurely. But the BRF insisted he do so, so he did. And what happened? In under 24 hours, it’s headlines in the press. Hmmm. Harry and Meghan pushed it live then so to stay ahead of the press, and have some control over the narrative.
Blame the leakers in the palace (KP – William) for this not Harry and Meghan.
Genuine question – if they weren’t planning on announcing it until Spring, why did they leave Archie in Canada when they came back from their break? Meghan was obviously always intending to return to Canada very quickly, and that wouldn’t have escaped notice even had none of this come out when it did.
Problem also is that Harry and Meghan haven’t specified where they are going to settle. They could end up in LA especially if Trump is turfed out. To be commonwealth ambassadors they would have to live in a commonwealth country, I should think.
the only thing they didn’t like was the bullying and racism from the “royal” reporters – they did everything else with enthusiasm and great aplomb. Let’s not gloss over ‘the Cartel’, eh?!
It’s sort of cafeteria employment isn’t it? I’m quitting and kicking back crap I don’t want to work on but I want to keep the fun tasks. I think there is a fine demarcation in the RF. There’s the personal relationships between family members and there’s the public service side.
H&M decided to leave the public service side but wanted to keep some projects for themselves. Since these projects represent the “public face” of the entity known as RF, and they are no longer on that team, then no, they lose the tasks too.
It’s not like they were turned out on the street with clothes on their back. Charles is still funneling money to them (the private family side).
I don’t have a bone to pick here. I really don’t care. Good luck to all in the RF.
Nah. They made it clear they wanted to keep working, period. There was no “we don’t want to work on these projects.”
They just wanted to stop working with the royal rota. Apparently, that was not allowed. They didn’t want to leave public service. In fact, I think we may see them more now in terms of “public service.”
They also wanted to “work toward becoming financially independent”, which creates a conflict of interest – when are they HRH and when are they private citizens? It’s hard to be half in and half out and prevent the image that they are profiting off of their titles (and yes, I know, other royals do it, but I think its very clear how different H & M’s positions are from Princess Michael).
It seems to me that its much more practical for them to be all the way out, to spend some years building their life and figuring out their roles, and then come back in on a part time basis once their roles are more defined. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them start taking on some part-time royal work when Charles is King.
I agree. One can’t have it both ways. At least this way it’s a clean break for them and they can concentrate on issues that they really care about. And, they can do everything their way.
One thing, though, when Sussexit dies down, will they still be as relevant? Without the power and prestige of The Firm, I can’t see the press chasing after them all the time. In Canada, we give our celebrities a collective, meh (unless you’re Justin Trudeau and buy donuts from the wrong place). I don’t know if this will be an issue for them down the line. Just my two cents.
I think it depends on what they do. I think that media interest will die down over smaller more traditionally “royal” things (like a visit to a charity for example). The rota drives coverage of those types of events. But I think they will have lots of interest and coverage for bigger initiatives (i.e.: the cookbook, invictus and the smart set clothing line).
Also, the JT line made me laugh. That was so ridiculous and transparent, but I loved the donut shop’s response.
Oh please give me a fucking break. She DID work. However every time she left her damn house she got comments like “her dress is breaking protocol. She’s a narcissist. She’s touching her bump. She’s a phoney. She’s fake. She’s only doing this for attention.”
And she actually worked more during her pregnancy and launched projects. Her numbers were higher than Kate’s 2012, 2015 and 2018 numbers (aka when she gave birth)
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That’s not even the worst of it. The conspiracy theories on the Twitter feeds of the royal reporters, for example, Richard Palmer, are festering with racist crap and conspiracy theories. People saying they bought the baby, Archie’s a girl, they are grifters, etc. It’s disgusting and there’s no rebuttal from Richard.
They are probably comments from his co-workers at the Mail.
Wish people would stop using “Megxit”, feels so toxic.
Yeah
Wish people would also stop using “work” to describe what any of them do….. they aren’t exactly toiling in the salt mines.
MegXit came out of the anti Meghan DM comments, tasteless for the media to adopt it. MegXit agitators wanted to “exile” Meghan.
I like SUSSEXODUS. Michael D on Dlisted coined that one. 😎
That one is my favorite too 🙂
And it’s sexist cause they’re both leaving with their son so why is there focus on a hashtag re: just her?
I agree I don’t like the terms Megxit, or even Sussexit because it is associated with the dreadful Brexit calamity and also the dreadful trolling of Meghan ever since Harry introduced her as the woman he was going to marry.
Removing their commonwealth roles is to protect Charles as future head of the commonwealth. Essentially there is no reason for the head of the commonwealth to be held by the BRF – and there have been calls for it to rotate around the different commonwealth countries when the queen dies.
Yeah that’s a good point. It’s already a bad neo-colonialist look, it gets worse looking if it seems like the roles are considered insignificant enough that’s the people filling them don’t even have to report through official channels to that branch.
Ok but she isn’t pursuing citizenship anymore in the UK or (yet) in Canada. How can a non-cw/uk citizen be their ambassador? He still could, maybe? But they decided not to be working royals.
When did they decide not to be working royals?
Are we really supposed to think they are crying over the loss of a fake title/make work role to shine up going on what amounts to a state paid vacation to glad hand?
You must be lost. We are talking about the Sussexes not the Cambridges.
I think she is definitely pissed and wants to hurt them for their decision. On the flip side, if they held those roles as a representation of the crown, why wouldn’t they be taken away as they no longer do…? Granted I’m foggy on a lot of the intricacies so I could be misunderstanding..
Losing the military patronages would’ve likely stung more for Harry. Also, didn’t they remain President and VP of the Queen’s Commonwealth Trust? I’d think that’s a better position and a good sign, right?
Can’t the military speak up? I can understand if she removed ceremonial roles, but isn’t stripping an officer of his rank an military decision, complete with court case? Can Liz randomly pick a soldier out of a crowd and strip them of their rank? I understand these questions are moot if she only took ceremonial titles.
Also, couldn’t the military speak up and mention his honourable service? Does the military owe it to the queen to keep their mouths shut?
@LadyD, The Queen cannot take away Harry’s hard earned miltary rank, he obtained after ten years of service, including 2 missions in Afghanistan. Harry is still Captain Wales. The queen only took the ceremonial ones, given to him by the her. Don’t worry, Harry has The Invictus, a near Olympic size event, which is quite significant. They are still Pres and V Pres of QCT. There are so many non working royals who represent the queen, and still have paid jobs. The Double standards are real!
I have always felt that you cannot be Half in-Half out of the royal rota either you are a paid working member of the Firm known as the BRF and you do what the CEO (aka QEII) mandates or you are not. Harry and Meghan wanted to “work” their way so they left. Good for Meghan & Harry.
I think Harry made the right decision for his family but I think QEII is more interested in protecting the firm than any member in it. IMHO based on what I read, Charles seems to be more upset about Sussexit than QEII. We will never know the truth until everything comes out many years down the road.
I think this does show how deeply the royal family and the royal rota are intertwined. Personally, I hope the truth comes out sooner rather than later.
Your comment is spot on. I always felt like their exit proposal was wishful thinking and a best case scenario.
I also doubt they were “shocked” by this. It wasn’t the outcome they wanted, but it was a very foreseeable outcome.
Hi Cassandra! I know you said the other day that you’re not Greek but Ukrainian… but I have to say I smiled to see you say it was forseeable. Indeed. 😉
I’m pretty sure H&M knew exactly what they were getting into. The only “shock” is due to “leaks” from “the palace” *cough*William*cough* hastening the timeline of the release.
If the queen is actually mad at H&M for this, it is misplaced.
I’m sure the RRs have a metric sh*t tonne of dirt on the BRF.
I’m curious how Anne got out of the RR!
Except that I read somewhere that Anne does not participate in the royal rota, which makes sense based on the RRs that I used to follow on twitter (I stopped following most of them after Sussexit.) And no one can say she is not a full time working member of the family.
Does Anne have an Instagram account or web page? I never bothered to look.
Anne does not appear to me to a person who cares what pictures are taken or not taken of her. Does she leave all this up to BP?
Bay – Anne is through the Royal Family’s accounts (so if you follow the Royal Family on FB, twitter, or IG her work is shown there.) But it’s anne so its always funny, bc its like one post that lists 5 visits she did in a day, and then an evening gala or something, lol.
Of course the Queen is petty af. Look how she dealt with Diana’s death. Spiteful till the very end. The British public basically had to shame her into allowing Diana some final dignity. She was just as jealous of Diana’s looks, charm and wild popularity, as her son Charles was. The age difference between her and Diana fortunately masked it for her.
I also think Charles and William inherited their famous jealousy streaks from her. Directly. In my view, the combination of her and Williams jealousy towards the Sussexes (for their youth, popularity, vivacity) is why the bad to be stripped of so much. They had to be punished for the unforgivable crime of overshadowing the Monarch and her heirs.
I think William is more like his father than Diana.
@Tess, I totally agree. If these increasing stories about William cheating are true, that’s his dad all over again. The accounts of his jealousy, pettiness, petulance, and thin skin all point to him being Charles’ son through and through. Harry is Diana’s son completely. He isn’t afraid to rattle cages to bring about change, and he is leading with his heart, for all the world to see, just as she did. I loved her, despite her emotional fragility and flawed humanity, and to see Harry standing up and letting the world know that he struggles with her loss, and that he loves his family enough to do what’s best for them, no matter what – that’s her, completely. I am proud of him, because he’s looking to lead an authentic, fulfilling life, which I think she wanted to do, too. As for William calling him “fragile” – he needs to take several seats, because there is nothing fragile about wanting to live a life free of toxicity and hatred.
Why IS TMZ covering these people…
Why is CB covering TMZ? Or the DM?
@lowrider Because H&M are big news in the gossip world and they will cover anything that will give them website traffic. TMZ is no different than the daily mail or any other rag.
Really doubt they were shocked. Harry isn’t new to any of this. He knew exactly what would happen if he left. Let’s not play dumb here.
And Andrew lost nothing.
At least it makes it clear for everyone that Meghan was never welcomed and her work never appreciated.
Andrew kicked out of the BRF on his ass is more dangerous than Andrew retired from the BRF with a pension.
The more you learn about this family, the more you realize what gutless cowards they all are. (Canadian branch aside)
I dont think they were shocked. Harry knows his grandmother and I think he went in to those meetings fully prepared to walk out with nothing. QE is a petty old hag.
Yeah, I think they were prepared to walk out with nothing, including their titles. I do think they would have liked to have kept doing some work for the family when asked, but I don’t think they were shocked that that wasn’t possible. Harry knows his family.
Seriously?
Can we really just stop saying “hag”? It’s unnecessarily vicious – a dogwhistle word, like “uppity.” It’s a word used to denigrate older women for being female and old.
They’ll use it against us both soon enough. Let’s not encourage it.
I personally think that QEII did really know what to do about Sussexes or Andrew. I think she just followed advice from her courtiers on Andrew and Sussexes with some input from Charles on the Sussexes.
“did not really know”
Sorry for typo!
Bravo!
The whole Commonwealth things just seems so reminiscent of colonial days to me that I’m surprised Harry and Meghan would be upset to loose those titles. They can still do work they want in those areas. I don’t live in any of the Commonwealth countries, can someone who does please share their thoughts on it? Do the countries get enough in return to stay in it?
nope. i live commonwealth , i though i can finally related to royal somehow via meghan. i mean meghan made many misteps with clothes and jet scandal . inspite of all these things i can relate to meghan because she is poc and she worked for living. and for harry he married out of his race and how he is mingled with poc . in what way i can relate to kate who was brought in with huge prvialge and cheery on top , she never worked in her life and she cant related to ordinary poc like me. i mean thats the point of cambridge pr image that they are so related to common people. none of them in my country give a shit honestly. as long as uk provide money as colonial deal they will keep the brf as head of state. with brexit i highly doubt the uk will be able to provide that much money to poor commonwealth countries. with meghan leaving that prove that brf and cambridges wishes brf to be all mighty whitey.
I appreciate you’re mostly positive about the Sussexes, but you need to drop the many misteps stuff…that is all tabloid garbage. She and her husband did nothing different than any other member of the royal family – in fact, they use private jets less than some others who also speak out on the environment. And the clothes argument is bullshit right out of the gate (if you’re comparing to what other royals do).
aria thanks for your perspective. The BRF really lost when Meghan and Harry left.
guestwho , the timing of clothes meghan wore is so stupid. that the time brexit was very heart of people and brexit divorce money were big deal to eu and uk. that time meghan enagment dress is 50k pounds, some haute couture (whatever that shit is very expensive and that dress is Morocco100k). that made people really angry because for many things 1)they didnt clear with public who pays for that cost which rr knows but they didnt say that too public. 2) if that is sponsor or gifted which is unacceptable to brf by their website(so people assume that she brought those with taxpayer money.3) kate is future queen of consort and she didnt go anywhere near that budget like 100k and 50k. thats what people makes angry at them because the tory govt screwed poor and nhs. how taxpayer money is used by royal is not clear and how deal of money each royal get is also unclear. that time kate timingly rewear all her dress and ppl critizemeghan for dress but she choose not to hear that. thats the part of problem , if she downplayed those cost then those missteps wont be there.
As for jet scandal, they talk about carbon print day before taking jets and they caught on in camera. thats why many celebrities and activist are called out for their so called eco friendly bs . though william and charles take helip, but we hardly see them with private jets (in unoffical duties) they might take those but their photos didnt get in press. only william and charles in rf talks about carbon prints and they come under fire for it. these jet scandal is very obsvious and even that Leonardo DiCaprio got heat for taking private jets.
aria – I didn’t realize that you were just believing what the tabloids and crazy Twitter twats told you about the expense of Meghan’s wardrobe (which can be disproven simply by looking at what Charles spent from year to year). I thought you wanted factual information. Carry on.
And because we don’t SEE Charles and Willie (or Andrew or Fergie) getting on their private jets (or the helicopter that Will uses to commute regularly), that means it doesn’t happen? They NEVER came under fire for it the way M&H did. Never. It was a made up controversy to torpedo Harry’s initative. Fair heat would be fine, but that is not what happened.
Any why people think that the money any of the royals spend would go to fund people in need is beyond me. That’s not the way it works. If people want services to be funded, they need to vote in a government that cares about its citizens and doesn’t impose austerity measures on them (that NEVER help the poor/needy).
guest i saw the dress she wore on their website of that partiular brand , you should go and check for your self. thats the problem with taking royals taking taxpayer money is long debate particular the younger ones comes under fire for it. before meghan kate was critize for her cost of dress too but she was no way near to 100 k. those haute cuture is very expensive shit.
aria – You can look at what Charles spent the year before Meghan came into the fold (with her own wardrobe), and look at what Charles spent AFTER she came into the fold, and it does not reflect the ridiculous amount of money twits claim she spent on clothes (because Charles pays for the clothes, not the taxpayer). It does not add up. That is a fact.
Haute couture is very expensive unless you are a very, very famous person that designers want in their clothes. Sure they can’t take gifts, but do you really, truly believe one of the most famous women in the world is paying retail?
I will continue to say that Meghan was not a member of the royal family when her engagement photos were shot. Thus, the very expensive dress that is being discussed here was probably loaned to her by the designer for the photo shoot. Of course, none of us has any proof — one way or the other — whether dress was loaned, whether Meghan or Charles bought it at a discount (which the designer would have definitely offered). All we are going on for any of this critique is the value of the dress on the designers website.
@JA LowcountryLady I think the dress that aria is referring to is the beige maternity dress she wore in Morocco. At the time, the twitter a-holes went on a massive rampage because someone said it cost $100,000 – which may (or may not) have been the retail, but, again, there is very little chance they paid that much for it. The engagement dress, if I recall correctly, was one of a number that the photographer brought for her to wear.
Outside of the Commonwealth Games, I rarely hear any mention of the Commonwealth as a Canadian.
I *think* it helps facilitate intergovernmental relations between its members, making things like trade and travel easier. Although the world has changed significantly since it was established so it may not be as great an advantage as it was.
they have commonwealth shcolarship in uk from poor commonwealth citzens. they dont make travel easy for non white commonwealth country. they have to go through a hell to get travel visa for uk. they have trade with india as commonwealth because india is one of the biggest market for uk goods. i remeber that theresa may visited usa and india as first country for trade deal when coming out of eu.
Meghan and Harry were great for the Commonwealth, it was a win win situation. It gave Britain good publicity having a mixed race person in a very senior visible position, and many people in the Commonwealth were very happy to embrace this lovely young couple who are so fantastic at shining a light on important causes and raising the profiles of charitable organisations.
I was so so looking forward to Harry and Meghan doing a Caribbean tour….the crowd turnout would have been huge and ecstatic…….it would have made W&K and their supporters livid. I wonder which next hight profile royal will visit next an African or Caribbean country and brace themselves for a lukewarm reception from very disappointed hosts.
I’m from a Commonwealth Caribbean nation and I too was looking forward to a visit from H&M which would certainly generate excitement. Harry is very popular in this region and his marrying a WOC is definitely relatable. With them gone, I am no longer interested in seeing any other member of BRF visiting our islands. As for what we get for being a part of the Commonwealth…truth be told, not much. We can travel to the UK without a visa but with Brexit, who knows if that would change in the future. A lot of islands are now Republics so the Queen being the head of Commonwealth does not affect us one way or the other….Individually, we/our governments pretty much manage ourselves and as a group we are more involved in CARICOM than the Commonwealth.
Well said MerryGirl….I totally agree.
I do think it was a petty move on the Queen’s part, but they kept their roles as head/VP of the QCT, so I don’t think it was completely done as an “eff you.”
I def think there were/are some hard feelings in the royal family about Sussexit, but we will see how things play out in the long run for everyone.
The Queen, RF and the British People don’t get it. The appeal of Meghan/Harry transcends the RF. When Meghan and Harry decide on their next public steps it will make news around the world no matter what is going on in the U.K. with other members of the RF. Harry/Meghan will always overshadow them because by the RF throwing them under the bus and to the rabid racist British Press they endured them to the world. Look at what has happened since they left the RF/UK. The full on press to paint Kate as Omni-Princess has failed beyond the U.K., in other words the world isn’t interested and really most of the UK isn’t either. Give it a few more weeks and the British Press will get tired of holding Kate up for NOTHING. As far as TMZ is concerned the Brits realized they couldn’t smear Harry/Meghan in the U.S. mainstream media so the only thing left is TMZ and Fox. Seriously IMO the RF and the Brits want to destroy Harry/Meghan. They really want them to go crawling back to U.K. begging for forgiveness and a willingness to accept the abuse.
But british royalty never covers headlines in normal duties. They don’t operate on fame rather their on ways. H&M might capture media but RF will still be there as before. Do you get what i am saying? They lived many scandals and more charismatic people ‘diana ‘ and survived . Just like turtles On their own steps. They both could co exist.
Why in the world does TMZ have this information, I mean Entertainment Tonight, or anyone else is more reputable than them.
Certain people are seeing how popular the Sussex family are around the world, especially in the US and are spreading out their racist campaign to smear Harry, Meghan and Archie.
@kerwood That’s exactly it
I don’t think they were shocked, nor do I think they care. They knew by leaving what could happen and they left anyway. Personally, I think they’ll have more opportunities now to do the work that they love to do without having to deal with the petty RF.
I think it was clear from many articles that the queen said either all or nothing. Its confusing to size down , do duties from other countries and do business deals. Many might not like it. But i believe she does not want them to be next andrew or ferggie because press will destroy them . But i do believe harry and meghan played their cards wrong and i think they were not expecting such big no.
Let’s not forget the conflict of interest if they are still working in any public capacity for the BRF and doing their solo jobs and projects. If you’re confused about this, look at Mango Hotel.
They got the most important thing: their freedom and hopefully happiness.
As for the Queen, I don’t think it’s pettiness or vindictiveness as much as it’s a need to establish precedent in case anybody else is thinking of walking away.
Did the queen make this decision with Charles’ approval is what I am curious about. Was it a way to punish, to make sure HM were going to miss what they had? Because obviously the royal family would have benefited from keeping HM in those roles so to take them away, was it just punitive or you will come back to us because you miss this stuff we took away?
I don’t believe this. Meghan is done with the whole royal monarchy thing (she is American). She was already traveling to different countries doing great work for the UN …. before marrying Harry. Meghan knows theirs are other ways to make an impact in the world. Harry knows his mother did more good in the world without being a HRH Princess. Diana brought more awareness to her causes without the connection of a Commonwealth Ambassador position. This just sounds like someone wants to get the narrative out that Harry and Meghan regret leaving the Monarchy. Harry may feel disappointed that he couldn’t continue to support the Queen in some way. But I believe, Harry stayed true to his purpose of getting his family away from that toxic mess in Britain. He accomplished what he wanted. The disappointment was that Granny was so cold blooded about it all.
@karmak…good points all…I hadn’t thought of this in terms of ‘they’re disappointed and will come crawling back’. WOW they really are toxic…
Excellent opinion Karnak. Meghan has also spoken at the UN and traveled for them. This negative narrative that the Sussexes have to have bespoke British titles or live in Britain in order to do good work is shortsighted. The world is bigger than Britain and the monarchy. Many, many people not connected to either are very successful in philanthropic causes. There’s no reason for Harry and Meghan to be unsuccessful as they roll out their Foundation.
“The world is bigger than Britain and the monarchy.”
From what I’ve observed, many RRs and Monarchist don’t actually seem to understand this.
Honestly, the UK have been punching above their weight for a few decades now wrt being a world power. And many RRs and Monarchist have this view of England and the Royal Family as being some global powerhouse that set forward things (policy, image, etc). But in this increasingly digital and interconnected world, that couldn’t be further from the truth.
The thing that most alerted me to this view that RRs and Monarchist have was this ridiculous article in the Daily Fail that put forth the idea that Meghan was desperate to become famous in England. Not the UK as a whole even, but *England specifically.* FYI: NO ONE who has a working acting career in Hollywood, which Meghan had, gives two sh*ts about being famouns in *England* because, if you can make it onto the Hollywood A-list in the US, you pretty much *automatically* become *globally* famous. NO actor in Hollywood who is trying to make it big gives two sh*ts about becoming famous in one specific country outside of the US if they are not *from* that country. And Meghan was born and raised in Hollywood CA.
So yeah. One of the undercurrents of all the reporting on Meghan has been this idea that she always had this big focus on being in England *specifically* couple with the idea that the Royal Family and England itself is this big powerhouse of a nation. The whole mindset harkens back to the image of England/Great Britain as this world empire IMO, which it hasn’t been since the end of WWII in reality, but that RRs and Monarchist (and “Little England” people too I suppose) still have this image of it being.
Quite frankly, I think they wanted the same situation as Princess Madeleine of Sweden. That is to say being able to live outside the United Kingdom, preferably in Canada, retaining their titles (the princess madeleine renounced her titles last year as well as her brother and his wife), royals and certain charities that they care about them. Then when the children of Cambridges are sufficiently tall, they will give up everything to for the profits of the Cambridges, Charles and Camilla.But it must be Andrew and maybe William that they whispered the idea of punishing them harshly by depriving them of all. Because Andrew hope to return to the royal life with his daughters occupying more important roles and William cannot bear to be eclipsed . But I wonder who will become the new Commonwealth youth ambassador because it was Harry who had always been the only members of the royal family who the most was requested by the Commonwealth countries before him it was Diana.
” (the princess madeleine renounced her titles last year as well as her brother and his wife)”
I do not think Madeleine and Carl Philip renounced their titles. I think their children (grandchildren of the king) had their HRH “styles’ taken away to “slim-down” the Swedish Royal Family.
However, I could be wrong.
Unlike the British royal family, the Swedish royal family has always been composed of the king, his wife and his heirs, therefore Victoria, Carl Philip and Madeleine. It was a decision which was imposed by parliament following requests from the Swedes who that they did not want to finance all members of the royal family.
Madeleine marries Christopher O’Neill, who is a millionaire business who refused to abonned his work , so he refused the royal titles because anyway from the moment or Victoria ascend the throne, they will have to give up their positions so it was a second reason why he did not want to give up his work. Consequently since her marriage Madeleine made only a few royal engagements towards the crown, those which was strongly criticized by the Swedish people. He also had many criticisms because of the enlargement of the royal family, with the seven births of the king’s children. So I think that the government had to insist with the king for who remained the members of his family.So since October 2019, the Swedish royal family has been restricted to King Charles XVI Gustave, his wife and Crown Princess Victoria with her husband, Prince Daniel, and their two children.The descendants of Princess Madeleine and her brother Carl Philip are no longer members of the Royal House, so they will not be able to work for the royal family nor be funded by taxpayer money and they lost the predicate of Royal Highness.
I doubt they were shocked. When they left Archie in Canada it was obvious they only popped into the UK to say “we’re leaving, bye”. I’m sure they were prepared to give up their titles let alone their position as commonwealth ambassadors to be free. I feel bad that the commonwealth youth lost good ambassadors who actually seemed to give a fuck but oh well.
Well we can go directly by what Harry himself said both in his last speech and on the information they had briefly on their website: he and Meghan had wanted and hoped to be able to continue their work, except they wanted to remove themselves from taxpayer funding. They wanted to continue to represent the Queen whenever she needed them.
Harry has made it very clear they just want to work. And beyond that, serve the taxpayers without charge to them. Should I repeat this in bold print? How thick are people to not hear Harry when he says it verbally and published it on his web site?
Apparently there are enough British taxpayers and racist foreigners (mostly American) in the peanut gallery who willfully ignore that point so they can whinge on and on that Harry is whinging.
For all the criticism of Harry and Meghan as a couple of crybabies, I have never seen worse toddler tantrums than those thrown by their critics. They are a bunch of hypocrites who don’t deserve the effort Harry and Meghan fought to exert on their behalf.
To all the critics who keep saying they where whinging about privacy, it was never about privacy per se; Harry and Meghan also wanted to cooperate with fair and transparent news coverage. But they could not do that while taking tax payer funds and being classed as full time working royals.
To work with the press in a non dysfunctional way, they wanted freedom from the current Royal Rota system, which was granting exclusive first access to the worst among the abusive press that was outright lying and spinning coverage of their work to the point of undermining it completely. The public they were trying to serve was being undermined. Yet it is members of that same public that were allowing themselves to be whipped into a frenzy of hate for the very people who only wanted to serve them.
Harry knew his duty. He tried to do it. Meghan gave up everything to take up that duty with him. Both of them in their own ways wanted to honor Diana’s legacy and work work work and serve.
They weren’t allowed the chance to do so. One lousy year. That’s all Meghan really needed to get the hang of her new culture and way of life and her new family and she could not get even that pittance thrown her way.
Yes I do think the Sussexes were surprised that Harry was blocked from seeing his own goddanged grandmother to hash out whatever issues he stood between them. I do think they were shocked that reasonable and logical accommodations that they were seeking could not be accommodated at all. That it was all in or all out.
They wanted to do their work in a way that would cut down cause for criticism. The main weapon the tabloids had against them was they were supported by the tax payer. So they said let’s free ourselves and the taxpayers. Let’s fund our work privately through our foundation.
The question remains, were they thwarted because of legal issues or was the Queen being as petty and punitive as possible? Her courtier was quoted as saying they would be punished. Well, let’s see, they have HRH titles but can’t use them. Yet Andrew has his despite being embroiled time and time again actively abusing his title and position. Princess Michael of Racist Brooches has her title despite making money from commercial ventures.
Harry’s military patronages and honors will likely go to William now. Or someone else who has little to no active military service compared to Harry’s genuine and meaningful service.
Yeah, I think they are shocked. Surprised? Maybe a little. But probably not. But anyone has to be astounded by the hypocrisy and stupidity in which the Royal Family mired itself.
@Guest with Cat, GREAT comment. Absolutely terrific!! Thank you very much for putting it so well.
Thank you Kerwood. Your kind comments mean a lot to me. It can be a bit of a struggle keeping coherent on the interface on my cell phone.
Excellent Guest with Cat. I think Harry might have been a bit surprised at how he was treated compared to how Andrew was allowed to keep all his titles and not requested to do any kind of payback. I mean the Sussexes were asking to step back, not being forced out and protected from illegal and immoral activity.
Also, can anyone offer a confirmed source that Anne — Princess Royal and daughter of the Queen — is allowed to operate outside the Royal Rota? If so, it sure says something nasty about the Firm that the Sussexes were being forced to work with it.
Well said guest. I was typing something similar while you were posting but looks like we were thinking along similar lines.
You were much more succinct. I struggle to be so while composing my posts on a cell phone. I read this site on an ipad. But my posts made from the ipad don’t ever seem to make it through. I had actually tried to participate here months ago. It wasn’t until I charged up my Samsung phone and tried posting from it that I was able to see my posts actually make it through.
brilliant analysis and I’m here for it @Guestw/Cat….
Very good and insightful comment. They never had issues with doing the work and supporting the Queen and her causes. They were just fed up with the smears, the leaks and jealousy, the dishonesty if the Royal rota, and taxpayer money being used as a stick to beat them with and demand access to their private life.
How do you know those who are racist about Meghan are mostly American?
I agree with most comments. Of course they thought about all the possible outcomes of their decision, and still took the risks.
Bummed about his military honors, tho. Pedo andy still has his military honors on top of all his privileges.
Wishing them the best.
I don’t think they were shocked by anything. I am sure their lawyers advised them that going in, they need to be prepared for the worst case which was to lose everything. There was a wide range of results and I believe they were fine with whichever.
All they wanted was to be free from abuse. They said, we want to keep working for her Maj, we won’t accept the sovereign grant, and all we want is fair reporting using a variety of news outlets and not just there royal rota. And she said no to that. The courtiers were leaking in November that no one in the family was speaking to them, practically giving the silent treatment, and her Maj figures that’s the price they should pay for the life of privilege. Her Maj is effing soulless!
The way I see it, she is definitely setting a precedent so no one else sees that as a viable option. It’s like a chief whip keeping the troops in line. She ensures her royals only desire that regal lifestyle and makes life outside the firm look bleak.
Harry and Meghan said no, and I could not be more proud of them. I wish them luck, and am sure they can still do work supporting the Commonwealth.
Agree RoyalBlue. Any top notch legal team would prepare them to understand and accept that if they went forward with this they could lose it all. I think the Sussexes took that advise and were prepared. But I do think Harry might have been saddened at this final confirmation of just how far his own family was willing to OTHER him. After all, it’s only human to think you matter to those you love and support.
He was saddened, I agree, but it does not take away from the fact he went to sandhurst, served twice in Afghanistan and rose to the rank of captain. He is only stripped of his decorative title which I agree is petty. They should have kept it so whenever he is on UK soil he maintains that rank of lieutenant. In his parting speech he said if you knew what I know, you’d know what I am doing. So he felt he had no choice and he really wanted to get out of dodge. That pit of vipers.
I have no memory of that purpley dress on Meghan but I love it – great color and cut!
Yeah I’ve never seen pics of her in that dress before. I love that color and cut on her too !
The half in half out is not that new. The Queens cousin HRH Prince Michael had a consultancy firm& fronted royal docs whilst also representing the firm abroad. But yes can have issues as he ran into.
In terms of HRH, his wife has been ‘cashing in’ on her status for years with books with her HRH emblazoned across it. And Andrew’s daughters aren’t working royals but use their HRH. So yeah they haven’t been treated consistently. I do think priority for the Queen is the firm (which makes her behaviour with Andrew bewildering) rather than a grandson who is nowhere near the throne. I think some of these measures were to appease someone in the family/ the press.
I hope Meghan does something with the UN again.
Right now it’s clickbait& obviously most of the U.K. tabloid papers are being sued so there’s bias in the reporting so think it will be a while before there’s consistent narrative. If there is a drama on Sussexit produced one day I wonder how the main characters will be treated. Time will tell.
I’ve asked this before but am still unclear: what practical difference does having/not having the HRH make? I understand it’s a status thing that determines where you sit at state dinners and whom you bow or curtsy to, but does it mean anything once you’re away from the court? Like, how would H&M’s life be substantially different if their deal was the same but they could use their HRH if they wanted to? How would the Duke of Windsor’s life have been substantially different if he had been stripped of his HRH but allowed to keep everything else he was granted after abdicating? How would the Duchess of Windsor’s life have been any different if she’d been granted an HRH? (She reportedly made her staff call her HRH anyway!) Genuinely asking because I just can’t see why it’s a big deal once you’re out of the palace culture.
This (you are in or out) narrative was put out by RRs. I think Harry got the message before he went into those meetings.
William worked as a rescue helicopter pilot as a part-time royal right after George was born. Andrew was a full-time royal when he “making great business connections” while hanging out with buddy Epstein. Andrew has always made money on the side working as a royal.. He actually got dismissed from a position due inappropriate business deals. The York sisters have gone to events with the Queen in the past. I guess Charles put a stop to that.
Remove the first woman of colour in the Royal Family from her youth ambassdorship and replace her/them with the gruesome twosome. Yeah, that’ll play well with the Commonwealth
I doubt they were shocked. Saddened, yes, but not shocked.
Meanwhile, Pedo Andy is still an HRH and will probably be pushed back into public life before too long. The Queen’s judgment is simply that bad.
Not if the FBI and London Met have anything to do with it
And I certainly hope they have quite a lot to say about it, loudly and often. To see Andrew not pay any kind of price for his actions – still an acknowledged HRH, no financial consequences, still keeping his home, still having his mother sending not so subtle messages of full support – and then to see the Sussexes hounded and savaged by the press to provide cover for him is beyond reprehensible. Sure, he isn’t allowed to perform any duties anymore, but I’m not so sure that bothers him all that much. His lifestyle is unchanged, and he gives no thought to the damage he caused to the young girls trafficked by Epstein. He has much to explain and possibly answer for, so I want the law enforcement agencies to hold him accountable.
The shock will be for whoever replaces H&M in this role. Everyone will still want Harry and Meghan, just like they still clamored for Diana. Their kind of charisma cant be conferred with a title.
How is this petty? They no longer want to work directly for the Royal Family, so logically, they cannot be Ambassadors FOR the Royal Family. No one is stopping them from working the exact same cause – they just can’t do it with that title. I don’t doubt that Meghan had a difficult time transitioning into being a full-time royal after many years of being independent – both financially and professionally, not to mention the cultural divide of being an American, plus all the racist bullshit – but I really do think she and Harry didn’t think this whole thing through logically. They knew what they wanted, which was great, but there was no saying the Queen *had* to give it to them. Still her Firm at the end of the day.
@Chasmosaur, Actually, it’s not HER firm. The monarchy serves the people of Great Britain. The Queen (and assorted Americans) might think that she’s the boss, but she’s not. The day the majority of the people of Great Britain decide they want her gone, she’s GONE. See: Charles I and James II(?).
Well, yeah. But until the day the United Kingdom decides they want to ditch the Constitutional Monarchy with the Queen as a titular Head of State – a person with very little actual non-partisan power, but a lot of prestige, wealth, and influence – then she still is the final arbiter of how stuff gets done. (I seriously hope Charles manages to remind her that Andrew may be her frequently forgiven favorite, but he’s now certifiably toxic AF and needs to be kicked out of the family fold.)
But Meghan did NOT have a difficult time transitioning into a working royal. She jumped into it and blew Kate out of the water. THAT’s why she’s getting blowback, not because she found it difficult to transition. Willnot and Kannot didn’t like being shown up by a newcomer.
Ugh. Let’s not forget that 60ish years ago she denied her own sister a marriage to a divorced (horrors!) man. Margaret should have fled but didn’t have the guts to flee. Harry does. Well done, Harry.
Margaret was eventually given a choice of marrying the man she wanted to and giving up her titles and place in succession. She ultimately chose not to. I agree, she should have fled.
That was a bad move by the RF (since I know that they’ve not considered the effect running the only person of colour our of the family when facing a commonwealth full of people of colour) but they specialize in that so I’m not shocked.
The link to TMZ is the Documentary on Fox with Piers. Like I have said repeatedly, the goal of the Brits is to try and completely destroy Harry and Meghan. So their taking their racist crap to Fox’ of course via Harvey.
Yeah, problem is most Americans know TMZ is sh*t. Especially this week, given how they handled the Kobe news. The LA Police Dept. even called out TMZ specifically for their trash behavior on the reporting of his death because some family members found out that way instead of by the police.
So yeah, this might play with the Fox News MAGA crowd, but that’s it. And even many of that crowed hate Piers Morgan, which is why he failed over here in the states and had to go back to the UK.
@ Emma – What all Brits, or the likes of the loathsome Piers Morgan who is heartily detested in Britain, and Danny Baker, the only one who to my knowledge likened Archie to a chimp, and was immediately sacked and roundly condemned by all and sundry.
You do know the BBC rehired Danny Baker quietly, like 2 weeks later, right? Because they did.
I believe he may be doing a podcast independent of the BBC but if you know better please let me have a link.
Doesn’t alter my main point that most Brits loathe Morgan and were as disgusted as you at Baker’s comments. So perhaps you can understand why I am not so keen on catchall phrases such as “the goal of the Brits is to try and completely destroy Harry and Meghan” 99.9% are not that invested as to be so bothered.
Danny Baker got rehired by the BBC.
Except Meghan was never a youth ambassador that was just Harry. And it’s merely a title not an active role in the commonwealth like their roles as president and Vice President if the commonwealth trust which they still are. And there’s no such thing as an official commonwealth youth programme.
Not suprised by this! If not the cambridges it’ll definitely be sophie (even though it’s a “youth” ambassador)
The firm has been on steady pace of SELF DESTRUCTION for a while now!! The fools seriously thought that alienating their biggest assets and then taking away harry’s military post was a good idea!!! I cant wait to see them when they realise how H&M are now like Diana after her divorce.
The constant reports (whilst away/not doing engagements) is proof of how much GLOBAL coverage they’ll get once they’re fully working. I cant wait to see RF getting back to being the dull bland royals they were. H&M will be dominating the papers and wont be able to control or choreograph engagement so will definitely be reported less.
I think they will give it to nobody… for now. Because it would look too petty. They alreadylook so petty… I think the report that the sussexes are “shocked” was to make sure the title doesn’t go to no one, Until they work to make the royals and the workd see that it OBVIOUSLY makes no sense to put the lazy racists cambridges there, and no eug/bea what?! lol and sophie wessex wouldnt exactly be an excellent representative of the commonwealth youth… anyway,if they do get replaced, it will be after something like: after a year of contract stepping away of royal duties, the sussex have decided not to pursue their roles as commonwealth youth ambassadors, therefore we thought the keenness of Wills and the 8 year exhaustive study of children’s early years of katie would be a perfect fit for the role. They are already doing a lot with full schedule, but since they are destined to be the next king and queen, they are willing to do even more” lol
She’ll probably give it to Andrew. He definitely enjoys spending time with adolescents.
^^^ that would be the epitome of tone death
*Slow clap*
The Queen was pretty clear that they would no longer formally represent the monarchy. So this shouldn’t be a “shock”. Besides, the less they stay involved with any of this, the quicker they can achieve their goal of privacy and peace, no?
It’s TMZ. After the stunt they pulled with Bryant’s death, making announcement before families were notified, I would like the hell to just open up and swallow them. They will stop at nothing even producing a total lie.. Do they really have people close to H&M?
On the other hand. The Queen has a right to do anything she wants. She clearly was grooming for monarchy from the day they were born. In her mind he had to put duty above all else, or walk away. And I can understand the emotion of the moment too. With Brexit, the increased dislike of monarchy, due to pervert paedophile in the family, she probably is scratching up all the opportunities to maintain some positive image. The thing is, in this case, with all that goes on in politics, the Cambridges who do not have an ounce of charisma, and a pedo, the whole family keeps ignoring like a fire in the back yard, nothing will fix this mess that monarchy is in.
When was that photo of Meghan in the plum dress taken? She looks stunning.
Final day in Austrailia, departing for New Zealand during the Australia/Oceania tour.
TMZ aired a documentary on Fox news recently. Probably looking for viewership.
Certain parts of the Commonwealth are coveted for trading purposes. Normally it will mean access via the UK , the Organization of American States will not cut it and China has been all over the continent and the Caribbean. I do not know what that means but it is what it is.