Prince Harry & Queen Elizabeth had a ‘four hour heart-to-heart’ in Windsor on Sunday

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Prince Harry had an appearance in London on Friday with Jon Bon Jovi. He looked well-rested, happy, trim, and relaxed. The British papers couldn’t stop talking about how he was secretly very sad though. Anyway, I did wonder how Harry was going to spend his weekend away from Meghan and Archie. Meghan didn’t fly to England this weekend, so Harry was riding solo. As it turns out, he likely spent the weekend in Windsor, which is where Frogmore Cottage is located, and where his grandmother was likely in residence at Windsor Castle. Dan Wooten at the Sun – aka the Cambridges’ go-to media guy for strategic leaks – somehow got the tip that Harry had another private meeting with Liz of House Petty. Wooten managed to make this sound like Ol’ Liz was trying to make peace with a wayward child AND like she was reading him the riot act. Enjoy, I guess.

The Queen and Prince Harry had a four-hour heart-to-heart talk at Windsor Castle on Sunday about his future. She told him over lunch that he and Meghan will be welcomed back if they ever decide to rejoin the royals. A source said: “Hopefully it cleared the air.”

The Queen agreed to meet Harry for the extraordinary fireside chat to clear the air about his and Meghan’s imminent royal departure after a request from the Duke. Harry’s 93-year-old grandmother is believed to have ended the talk by saying: “You are much loved and will always be welcomed back.”

Harry, 35, had discretely strolled from his Frogmore Cottage home in Windsor Home Park to the castle, where he and the Queen shared a light lunch and tea as they discussed his future. A royal source said: “The Queen had a lot to talk to Harry about and this was the ideal time for them to both say their piece. When Harry and Meghan announced they wanted to quit it all happened very quickly and it was very stressful for all concerned. Sunday was the first time the Queen has had the chance to talk to Harry on his own and really find out what his plans are. It was a much more relaxed environment and they were both able to speak their mind.”

The chat came amid reports that the Queen is “very sad” that she sees so little of Harry and Meghan’s son Archie. The source added: “It’s fair to say she is very upset about him and Meghan leaving and she would love to see more of Archie, as would Prince Charles and the rest of the family. But she accepts at the moment that his mind is made up and he intends to live in North America. However she also wanted to make it clear that the arrangement can only work if they do not exploit their royal status and try to ‘cash in’ — that’s why she wouldn’t let them use the word ‘royal’ for their foundation. The Queen is protecting the institution and she is also aware of the cost of security. That is something that still needs to be resolved.

“But Harry is also a much-loved grandson who she has always doted on. She made it very clear to him that he and Meghan are always able to come back if they change their minds and she will welcome them with open arms. Hopefully the chat cleared the air and the way forward is looking more positive But she wanted to make certain Harry knew there were limits and the whole set-up is subject to a review after 12 months.”

[From The Sun]

The Queen wanted him to know that she loves him and she will begrudgingly welcome him back to England if he so desires after she and the rest of the family made moves to exile him and smear his wife for the better part of two years, and oh by the way, she’s still really pissed off at how Harry and Meghan won’t bring their child to her, and she’s still mad and petty about everything else. Got it. I actually don’t doubt that Harry and Liz met and had a good long talk at Windsor Castle. What I doubt is that Wooten’s “source” knows what they discussed. That’s because Wooten’s source was at an Aston Villa game at the time.

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Prince Charles, Prince Andrew, Camilla Duchess of Cornwall, Queen Elizabeth II, Meghan Duchess of Sussex, Prince Harry at the 100th Anniversary of the Royal Air Force, Buckingham Palace, London, UK on Tuesday 10th July 2018

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  1. GR says:

    These people. Everything I read about them makes me happier that h&m took their child and left.

  2. Alexandria says:

    Blablablabla the Queen knows action speaks more than words. Until she does something tangible to support and releases a stern rebuke towards the press and PiersM, she should be shamed for this shabby, racist, appalling and unfair treatment. Stop trying to release lies through the Sun or Daily Fail to get empathy!

    • Babz says:

      Exactly. And “…the first chance she had…” to speak with him? Bollocks. She’s the queen. All she had to do was tell the courtiers to get him there, and he’d be there. She had a million chances to do lots of things to show this family that she loved and supported them, and she did none of them. Having him to lunch was something that could and should have happened ages ago, and she chose not to. Things could have been very different if she’d “had a chance” to speak openly and honestly with him. Spare me, Betty. I used to have great respect for you, but now all I have for you is a large amount of side-eye.

  3. Ali says:

    I hope the Queen lives another 10 years at least.

    I want her to see how well Harry, Meghan, Archie, and the Sussex twin girls live without the royal family and the end of the Commonwealth.

  4. Erinn says:

    Lol there’s NO WAY that Liz gave him the riot act for 4 hours. That’s actually laughable. There’s absolutely no way she’d have the energy for that. I’ve finally hit the point with my gram where she’ll be annoyed by something we disagree on, and she’ll eventually just say “No point in arguing with a younger me, there’s no winners here” because we’re both stubborn as hell.

    I do suspect that it WAS a more relaxed conversation than the last time he was there. Everyone has had time apart to regroup, so it would only make sense. I’m sure there’s still a lot of sore feelings across the board (some warranted, some not so much) though.

    At this point, I’m sure there were some “yes gram, I know gram, of course not gram” somewhat of a brush off going on (don’t blame him). I’m sure she felt the ‘need’ to remind him of the reality of the situation, and probably gave him some guff over it all. But I also suspect Harry is happy to ride these kinds of meetings out in order to achieve what they want to achieve. It’s worth it to them, and you can put up with SOME chastising when you know that there are only so many days before you go back home.

    • kellebelle says:

      Dan Wootton has all the credibility of Piers Morgan, Lizzy Cundy and the rest of the lying lot, as in zero. I think this is entirely fabricated as they have zero access to the Sussexes.

    • Nahema says:

      @Erinn I always appreciate your comments. They’re some of the most balanced that I read on anything Royal related here.

      You’re right, they probably are alike in some way. I really hope that on a personal level they can find some peace with each other.

      • Janerys says:

        Seconded. It seems there are some silent balanced voices on here as the tone can verge on hysterical conspiracy theory (M&A aren’t safe in England etc).

        We are talking about a woman in her 90s who as with all things, Windsor, none of us actually know. From the limited interactions we have seen of them, like the “Boom” Invictus Games video) they seem to enjoy each other’s company so let them hang out.

    • Prairiegirl says:

      Thank you Erinn for being a balanced voice on this site on the topic of Things Royal.

  5. Digital Unicorn says:

    William really is trying to burn all the bridges with his brother with these continued leaks aimed at putting him down. Its quite sad and pathetic that TQ is allowing the Cambridges to behave this way and throwing her under the bus to embiggen themselves.

    The Fail’s headline made it sound like TQ was eager for both Sussex’s to come back whenever they wished. It was a bit more sympathetic to H&M for a change.

    The service at the weekend is going to be very interesting as the Cambridges are still being reported to be going. There is no way they will miss out on this, lording it over the Sussex’s one final time.

    • aria says:

      Cambridge should have known better because one day their two kids will be in harry position, instead of handling this mess right the Cambridge blow the shit. The poor Louis and charlotte will be used as the same way as harry to save William like with George. I personally believe that the queen mind is not right and everyone is taking advantage of the situation. sins of the parents will be paid by their children. The mess Cambridge created for Sussex , the price is going to piad by their kids which is very sad.

      • Liz version 700 says:

        I have started to wonder if William has the ability to feel or care about his kids. This scorched earth thing he has going on makes me wonder if he feels or cares about anyone at all besides his giant ego?

      • Alexandria says:

        I’m sorry but the two kids will be fine. They are white. Anne, Andrew and Edward are fine. Eugenie, Beatrice, Zara, Prince Micheal of Kent etc. are all fine and dandy and can fly private or dress in expensive clothes or rent from the Queen or earn their own money without discretion. If they marry a person of colour, then the two kids will not be fine.

      • Andrew’s Nemesis says:

        @LizVersion700 If William is indeed a narcissist – I know that word/term is bandied around far too much in the current age, and any selfishness is ascribed to narcissism, but considering his upbringing, position and behaviour, it’s not a million miles off the mark – he simply wouldn’t care. The children would only be of use or interest to him in the way in which they supported him, soothed and bolstered his ego, or were used in an intricate game of human chess in being played off against one another. (See Meghan’s vile father for behavioural indicators.) He would not care if his toxic behaviour resulted in the weaponisation of, for example, Charlotte in the Battle of the Siblings. Narcissists are completely devoid of the ability to care for others.
        A pretty big if, but I do wonder what those children’s futures are going to be like

      • Amy Too says:

        Alexandria, I don’t know. Even before Harry was dating Meghan, he had been used for almost two decades as the fall guy for both Charles and William. Any and all of his indiscretions were amplified while any and all of Williams were hidden. And it took its toll on Harry—he already hated the press for the way they covered him and he seemed to have quite the strained relationship with his dad, as well. Harry wanted out before Meghan.

        So I don’t think that spares Charlotte and Louis are going to have a super easy time of it, at least between the ages of 14-40, or whenever George starts to have kids that are old enough to start taking all the media attention and being the fall guys. Charles adult siblings don’t seem to have a lot of difficulty with being treated poorly because they’re all grandparent-age now. And the York sisters aren’t the children of the heir, so there’s much less focus on them. Same with Anne’s kids. But for a long while, it’s just going to be the Cambridges and their three kids on the working royal scene and that’s who the press will write about. They’ll continue to protect the heir and throw Charlotte and Louis under the bus.

      • L4frimaire says:

        @Alexandria, agree with you on that one.

      • Emmitt says:

        Anne was only the spare until Andrew came along.

        Edward was never a spare, he was just there. The only reason he and Sophie are working royals is because of their business failings and scandal. Both of them had outside work until then. Louis will probably be more able to have a private life than Charlotte.

        The pressure would really be on Charlotte because she is the spare to the heir. Charlotte = Harry, Andrew, Margaret. George will likely not marry for another 25+ years so Charlotte will get to spend all of her puberty and young adulthood being the screw up to George’s Future King.

        Beatrice and Eugenie are irrelevant to the conversation because Andrew became irrelevant to the conversation the minute William was born.

        The BRF should really remodel themselves after the Swedish Royal Family, which curated the Royal House down to Victoria and her children. Carl Phillip and Madeleine’s children were stripped of their HRHs and future royal responsibility but they are still part of the Royal Family, just not the Royal House. Madeleine and her children live in the United States.

        The British Royal House needs to be curated down to William and his children. Everyone else is part of the Royal Family but not the Royal House. George, Charlotte & Louis ideally need to start training now for their royal responsibilities just like the royal children in Spain and Sweden are doing.

      • Liz version 700 says:

        Andrew’s nemesis thanks for explaining that makes a lot of sense.

      • Alexandria says:

        @Amy Too fair point. They will be scrutinized but they and their children won’t be attacked in the way Meghan and Archie have been attacked. Meghan has said she knew it would be difficult but she thought it would be fair. To have your child be compared to a monkey…I have no words. Harry survived a long time being thrown under the bus when he was single but when they threw his entire family under it, even under the supposed guise that it was business as usual to protect the heir, it was the final straw. I wish kindness for those kids.

    • I agree Digital Unicorn. I just have no words left to describe what I think of whomever is leaking to Wooten from House Keen. If it was not William directly, then it was with his explicit approval by Kate or one of their staff. Rather than the BS storyline that Wooten is spinning here, I’ll give my 2 cents about the 5 probable facts that I get when I read the above:

      1. Harry initiated the meeting, not the Queen.
      2. The Queen took the meeting and they spent 4 hours together.
      3. Harry is at Frogmore and walked to the castle where she is in residence.
      4. Someone at Windsor Castle leaked this to House Keen who then leaked to Wooten.
      5. Wooten then took the above info and fabricated the rest of his article.

      What I take away instead of Wooten’s spin is that Harry is not weak, questioning his decision, or mentally fragile. He wants to make sure he is heard directly by his Queen/his grandmother. By initiating the meeting, I think Harry is proving that he is healthy, happy, and confident in the decision he has made. Harry and the Queen are the only two who know what happened between them during that 4 hours. I think Harry initiating the meeting and the Queen spending 4 hours with him made William — once again — incandescent with rage. He is not controlling the narrative. He cannot control Harry or the Queen. I think the meeting was a surprise to William — a bit of a karmic slap in the face. As hard as William spins this he cannot control or change what happened in those 4 hours. Applause to Harry! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

      • (TheOG) jan90067 says:

        Perfect assessment JA! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

      • Lady2Lazy says:

        JA, I agree with TheOg!! I noticed that once M & H were engaged, there was a sudden increase of leaks regarding H not getting along with the rest of the Firm and that he was furious that W discouraged him from proposing to M. The entire Firm did not stand in unison to support and defend M & H when this was all happening and H made it clear that he was extremely hurt by their actions. Once M & H started to upstage W & K, the true perpetrators behind the leaks became apparent. W was furious as to how K was being treated by the press as M stole her spotlight. I can assure you that K let W know, under no uncertain terms, that she would stand for this betrayal as she is to be the future queen.
        One final thought, no one knows if H met with TQ and for how long, and most importantly what they spoke about.
        P.S. sorry I was on my soap box today. It sickens me the way that H&M have been treated and represented in the press.

      • Olenna says:

        All very plausible, JA. Personally, I think the leaks (and the trashing) are orchestrated by Poor Jason and Christian Jones (via SM and tabloids), with direct input from Wee Willy and QM Carole.

  6. Ellie says:

    I don’t like any royals, but Liz’s purple hat with the flowers is fire.

    • Neners says:

      It really is fabulous!

      • Lady2Lazy says:

        Absolutely! I would love a hat like that!! I actually wish we wore hats more often here in the US! I actually have 25 hats and I love to wear them. I have decided that when my daughter gets married, I am wearing a hat! Though, here in the south, you will see a large group of women in their Sunday best with a beautiful hat too!

    • Candikat says:

      @Ellie: I was debating making the same comment! The Q’s hat game is strong.

  7. aquarius64 says:

    Yep Wooten’s snitch is William. Billy is mad the queen is still leaving the door open for Harry AND Meghan. But the BRF has to look like they are welcoming both because the optics are bad. I can see the following that would put Willie in an incandescent rage:

    The queen chips in for the Sussexes’ security and support with Duchy of Lancaster funds. Archie and future Sussex children trust funds are set up. Willie has no control of that money until he acsends to the throne and it would be too late to do anything about.

    Notice no meet ups with William here.

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      Yep I can see both TQ and Chuck making sure that the Sussex’s family is financially secure using private family funds via trust finds left to them in wills. William will not be able to touch any of those funds.

      For the Cambridges this is ALL about losing control of the Sussex’s and am including Kween Katie in this as she is just as controlling as he is.

      • Lady2Lazy says:

        Aquarius64 and Digital Unicorn, do you really think that TQ and Charles know how much animosity Will has for Harry? That thought never crossed my mind, ever!! How awful it would be if they didn’t have trusts in place for them once he becomes king. I actually think that Harry would be a much better king because he is much more grounded and down to earth. Plus, Harry hands down, to me by his appearances, seems to be approachable to any and all that come his way.

  8. tomato80 says:

    Extraordinary fireside chat? LOL so stupid; it’s still just two relatives talking.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      Nothing but two relatives talking in the pages of the latest installment of Royal Fan Fiction.

      • Harper says:

        Fiction is right. I’m wondering how Harry walked “discretely” over to Windsor? Did he scurry furtively, being sure to stay off the main path and pausing behind the hedgerows and tree trunks when he heard someone approach until he successfully gained entrance to Windsor through the cellar door?

        Or by “discretely” does Wooten mean that, even though he was tipped off to the lunch, there was no way he could get a cameraman in there to get the money shot of Harry walking over?

      • Jane's Wasted Talent says:

        Lol. There’s material for two jokes here- one about the queen, President Roosevelt, and fireside chats, and one about Dan Wooten not knowing his homonyms (discreet vs discrete). I’ve got nothing… but I know one or more of you guys will nail them. :)

      • L84Tea says:

        Harper, you forgot the part where Harry brandished a long coat and Groucho Marx glasses to complete his disguise! :-D

  9. S808 says:

    I see it went from “a backdoor being left open for Harry” to Harry AND Meghan being welcomed back lol

  10. Mabs A'Mabbin says:

    “The Queen had a lot to talk to Harry about and this was the ideal time for them to both say their piece.”

    Four hours of saying piece. You’d think in four hours they could have a whole conversation.

  11. Margareth says:

    “That’s because Wooten’s source was at an Aston Villa game at the time”
    LMAO, so true!

  12. Paigeishere says:

    So the Sun doesn’t know the difference between discreetly and discretely huh

    • (TheOG) jan90067 says:

      As a former teacher, (WHO TAUGHT THIS SHIT TO 3RD GRADERS!!), this drives me NUTS!!!

      These “reporters” (and I use the term loosely) must’ve gone to a school that employed one of the principals I worked for. When I asked for Grammar and Spelling workbooks, she told me, w/out batting an eye:
      “They won’t need to know that anymore, they have computers with spell check.”

      I shit you not. FROM A PRINCIPAL. I asked her just how that was going to work for homonyms, especially those with multiples (ex: for, four, fore). They would need to know which form to use, as all would be spelled “correctly”. I also asked, what would they do when they needed to fill out job applications as young adults, and they didn’t know how to spell? She just gave me a stink eye and walked away.

      I went out, spent my own money, and bought what I needed to help the kids learn it. I did the same for math (times tables, adding and subtracting double digits, which the kids should be able to do in their heads, w/out using their fingers!). Principal told me, “They don’t need to waste time on drills, they’ll ALWAYS have calculators.” So again, bought my own materials, made copies, went up to my room, locked the door, and taught what I KNEW my kids needed to have to be educated properly.

      • kellebelle says:

        Well done!!

      • MsIam says:

        Good for you The OG!! My daughter’s 3rd grade teacher told me that kids don’t need to learn the times tables anymore because they all have calculators. Kids just need to learn to think “logically” and learn “concepts”. My daughter struggled with math all through school after that. I signed her up for lessons at a Kumon center to try and help her out. Plus bought flash cards and workbooks for home. It’s good to see that there are still teachers who haven’t drunk the kool-aid and realize the “old ways” still work.

      • Right on The OG —- Your principal has obviously never lived through a weather disaster where power can be lost for days. I have. Watching college students in the university town where I lived try to add, multiply, total, calculate sales tax and then figure change on cash purchases in this scenario was unbelievable. I had to help my cashier in a super Walmart and then stayed to help her check out anyone else who had enough cash to continue checking out as management cleared and shut store when power failed pre-storm hit. Almost every cashier had to have someone older do the math for them with paper and pens. Pathetic result of belief that machines are always available. Reminds me of something my granny once told me when she was teaching me to cook: “Honey, I’ll teach you to cook from scratch, then you can still open any box or can in the cupboard.” Sound advice in teaching anything!

      • Dilettante says:


      • (TheOG) jan90067 says:

        Thanks all, much appreciated. As a teacher, you never get/hear much of that lol. MsIAm, I, too, remember how, in 3rd gr., I transferred school districts mid-term, and the one I left hadn’t even started to learn times tables. When I got to my new school, they’d not only just learned them, they were on THREE DIGIT multiplication AND division! To this day (and I’m 63!), I do not trust myself to do some of this stuff correctly in my head and almost ways check myself with paper and pencil or a calculator. Sadly, old habits DO stick!

        I still grind my teeth when a kid at a register can’t count change backwards (now they rely on computerized registers), but as you say, when the power is out… OMG, I have to coach them along! And don’t get me started on the machines at fast food places, with pictures on the keys! My nephews told me about those!

      • Andrew’s Nemesis says:

        What an excellent educator you are, @TheOG!

      • Lady D says:

        The article I read mentioned that children can’t tell time the old fashioned way anymore. They need digital clocks to know the time.

      • Still_Sarah says:

        @ JALowcountryLady : I recently tried to teach overseas students how to use a dictionary- the physical book kind, not the use-the-phone-app kind. They were high school and university age. Even when I explained the steps, they were completely helpless.

  13. Aa says:

    The thing is that I don’t think Harry and Meghan had so many problems with the Queen. Which is why the staff tried so hard to keep Harry away her, while letting Andrew pal around with mummy. I don’t think they had many problems with Charles either until it became clear he was unwilling to confront William. And that Charles would trade his relationship with Harry, which had improved for the appearance of being closer to William.

  14. Rapunzel says:

    The 90+ yr old grandma sustained a 4 hr. discussion? I’m skeptical. But it’s quite smart of Harry to meet with Gan Gan one on one while Wills is too busy to interfere. I’m sure they discussed keeping Archie safe and security funds. And he probably got what he wanted. He knows how to charm Grandma. Unlike his bro.

    • Shirleygailgal says:

      I don’t think his bro has any charm whatsoever….whether it’s with his granny or with any of us. No charm, all harm ….

    • Guest with Cat says:

      Possibly. My 99 year old grandma hosted me, my husband and daughter for about 4 hours. Might have been longer. She couldn’t see much and couldn’t really walk but she could converse just fine.

      The Queen can ride horses and still preside over long boring state functions so I think it’s not out of the question she can handle a 4 hour conversation. She’s shown she has stamina. I am half her age and can’t tolerate standing on freezing balconies for more than a few minutes. Queen has got my peasant ass beat, that’s for sure.

      Getting back to my own (caucasian) grandmother for a moment, actually one of our topics was her past racism against my mother and me. She has said and done some terrible hurtful racist things in her time. If I were to recount those things you’d all wonder how and why my mom and I maintained a relationship with her. These were really bad things.

      So it was pretty amazing that she left this world someone I am absolutely proud of and glad I took my daughter to meet before she passed away just a couple weeks shy of 100.

      It was one of the most moving conversations of my life. Not many people get to have a healing conversation like that. I was incredibly blessed. My mom was pretty moved and happy to hear about it, too. She’d already moved up to favorite person status in my grandma’s book when they still got to see each other regularly, but mom was still glad to hear that my grandmother had formally renounced racism in very strong terms, say she was wrong, and apologize for everything. She had to live to be almost 100 for that to happen but at least it happened. Also I could see she clearly loved and adored my daughter and was so proud of her. That meant a lot, especially with the history she and I had. Our last phone conversation was also just the absolute best.

      I can only hope Harry and his grandmother have some sort of healing conversation like that before it’s too late. If that 4 hour conversation really did take place, I hope it was THE ONE because Harry needs and deserves it and the Queen needs to clean her slate and bring grace and peace to the rest of her life. I know my grandmother said it meant a lot she got a chance to do that with me.

      • Wonderful Guest with Cat. Your story is rewarding proof that people can change at any age. Thanks for sharing. And as a side note — while I think the Queen is perfectly capable of a 4-hour conversation in her own home in a relaxed setting — none of us know what they did for 4 hours. Maybe they also spent time, talking, laughing, looking at Archie pictures or sharing a meal. Who knows. I just pray it was a positive time for both of them.

      • Jane's Wasted Talent says:

        This made me cry. Thank you. We need more stories- and people- like this.

      • Dilettante says:

        I echo what Jane said. Thank you for this.

      • Babz says:

        Guest with cat, what a lovely story of reconciliation and peace. I am happy for you that it happened, and that you were able to see your gran – and for her to see you – with love and respect. Too many don’t get that opportunity, and that’s a real shame.

  15. GuestOne says:

    All this talk about being supportive& door being left open now including Meghan & wanting to see more of Archie just in time for Commonwealth Day service…

    No idea why anyone would leak to Wooten. He’s one of many Sun executives being investigated over historic hacking claims.

  16. Becks1 says:

    LOL at this story. Maybe Harry did have lunch with the Queen and they talked, cleared the air a bit, whatever. I don’t think the Queen used that time to make it clear Harry couldn’t “cash in” and couldn’t use royal etc. That stuff has already been decided, and if it was going to be discussed with the Queen, it was discussed when Harry went early for the great Sandringham Summit. This story just conveniently hits all the anti-Sussex points – the Queen wants to see Archie more, the Queen wont let them use royal, their security costs are an issue, etc. I doubt the Queen was like “well according to the Sun we need to discuss….”

    My guess is there was a private meeting and someone doesn’t know what was discussed and its killing him.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      @Becks1 – As I said above, this is nothing but high-grade high-octane steroid additive enhanced Fan Fiction paid for by The Dim.

      They probably ate cake, drank tea and talked about horses.

      • (TheOG) jan90067 says:

        Of course it is! Even if they KNOW Harry had this “summit” with Betty Petty, HOW would they know ANYTHING that was said/discussed, even attributing QUOTES to it?

        All this is, is liner for the bird cage.

      • Oh The OG —- ….liner for the bird cage …. funny funny funny. Reminds me of the opening credits sequence to the tv show, Lou Grant, some years back which ended with the newspaper being put in a bird cage.

      • (TheOG) jan90067 says:

        Omg, I forgot about that!! lol. Loved Lou! 😊 Thanks for the memory JA 🥰

        (I used that reference because when I was a kid, that’s what I used for my bird’s cage, and my puppy’s area before he was trained)

      • Rachel says:


      • Olenna says:

        Everything all y’all said, LOL!

    • Guest2.0 says:

      Agree. The article checked off every anti Sussex talking point. I guess Wooten’s source was telling him to be sure to list this one and that one and please don’t forget to mention our latest talking point—the cost of security.

    • Nic919 says:

      At some point Wootton won’t be satisfied with these “stories” and the worm will turn on William. It’s way too obvious of the game they are playing.

    • Bella DuPont says:

      @ Guest2.0

      I would love to see the U.K. Politician brave enough to sign their name on a document denying the Sussexes the adequate levels of security. Were anything to happen to any of these high profile targets after that, that Politician’s career would be over for all eternity.

      And same goes (to a far lesser degree) with the BRF.

    • notasugarhere says:

      ‘My guess is there was a private meeting and someone doesn’t know what was discussed and its killing him.’

      And William had to pony up an anti_Harry story to Wooten, just in time for his own Ireland trip. He doesn’t want the competing narrative to be pro-Harry at any cost.

      • Digital Unicorn says:

        Its bad enough the poor sausages are having to compete with the Coronavirus pandemic. Am sure the RR’s will blame H&M for it too.

    • Bella says:

      Becks1, I think this is closer to the mark. DW is just bolting “talking points” onto conjecture.
      Good for Harry, leaving on an amicable note. Very mature.

      He is looking great – really energised and happy.

  17. Lisa says:

    See they are now changing it to Harry and Meghan. They just need to stop.

  18. KellyRyan says:

    What, no photos? Harry sits for four hours listening to Queenie babble about Corgi’s while noticing the absence of H&M, Archie photos on her desk.

  19. Jen says:

    As long as it was a true chat and not a scolding like Harry is a wayward child, I can see it doing him some good. As relieved as I think he is to be away, I think it also does hurt to see how your family is treating you, your wife, and your child. And I think Liz is petty, but I also think she’s unintelligent and the courtiers have her ear. So for her to hear directly from Harry would help.

  20. Lyn says:

    Since William wasnt there I’m fairly sure all the meeting details are pure fiction. I mean how would anyone know what the Queen and Harry said to each other? They (KP) just know there was a meeting and nothing else

    But it stinks that almost everything Harry does in that family is leaked to the Sun via Wooton. No wonder he is annoyed with all of it. How can you live a life knowing everything thing you do or say is leaked to the tabloids? And likely by your own brother and his staff.

    And Wooton getting all of the royal exclusives is so obvious. And its not superficial things but major royal moments that only the family or their direct aides would know. He’s being fed by the palace.

  21. RoyalBlue says:

    Queen Betty of the House petty leaves the door open for the Sussexes return, but will she facilitate that by getting them out of the Rota. Will she allow them to be independent of William and the taxpayers. It’s as simple as that. If she says it’s a one way road, then she better be up to date with technology and make do with FaceTiming.

    • Mary says:

      Exactly, @royalblue. It is Petty Betty’s way or the highway. If true that Harry asked for the meeting, well, Liz could not even be bothered to seek out a meeting with her own grandson after he was totally screwed (by her).

  22. TIFFANY says:

    Having a heart to heart would require Liz having one and she has shown time and time again she does not.

    Fiction. Next.

  23. Lila says:

    Bwahahahaha! Omg Kaiser, that last line just kills me.

  24. Lizzie says:

    Harry already pointed out everything in writing is leaked, so I’ll bet they did have a long face to face.
    Cannot wait for Meghan to arrive and see what she is wearing.

  25. Jaded says:

    We see you William. WE SEE YOU. You’re as transparent as a pan of water. Nice of you to not meet with YOUR OWN BROTHER because you were faffing around with your douche-bros at a footie match. You are a horrible, HORRIBLE person and nothing you leak will ever tarnish Harry’s reputation as much as it tarnishes your own.

    Can you tell I haven’t had coffee yet?


    • (TheOG) jan90067 says:

      C’mon over, Jaded, I’m having Peet’s right now. Let me pour you a cup or two…we can dish! 😊

    • Janerys says:

      To be fair it was a cup final. He is an actual Villa fan who goes to all their big games, as this was. Villa is an unfashionable club and football is not the posho game of choice. There are things to have a go at him for but supporting his club isn’t really one of them.

      • Jaded says:

        Supporting his brother is not as important as supporting his club? Good Lord, pass me the Bailey’s for my 3rd cup of coffee.

      • RoyalBlue says:

        So his brother who he hasn’t seen for a while, and supposedly made peace with, is coming to visit and he would rather go to a game than hang out with him. Tells us where his priorities lie again. We 👀 you William.

      • notasugarhere says:

        With fans so racist they’ve made up racist songs to chant at their OWN players they don’t like. Of course, William finds racism boring, so isn’t bothered by any of it.

  26. L4frimaire says:

    Yeah, I’m gonna call a big BS about some of the quotes from that article,especially the part about cashing in on their royal titles. Like the Queen actually understands how people actually earn money. It’s not like they pull a slot machine handle. Reading Dan Wooten makes me feel grubby. Off to wash my hands now.

  27. Hanover and Out says:

    This was a mistake. H&M returning for royal duties is going to be a retraumatizing mistake. I dont know what’s happening behind closed doors here, but the Royals delivered a massive trauma to the Sussexes, and for that reason the break should’ve been clean and total until the latter went through the 3 stages of trauma recovery; Safety, Integration, and Reconnection (not with the offenders). Only then, when they are emotionally independent from the BRF, should they see if contact is something they want to do.

    • I feel just the opposite Hanover and Out —- I think this visit might be a strong confirmation to the Sussexes that they have absolutely made the right decision. There’s a kind of peace in walking back in to something you’ve walked away from and looking around at the same old petty cos play and knowing you made the right choice to leave. That it (and they) no longer have the power to hurt or manipulate you like before.

      • bluemoonhorse says:

        Agree. H&M made the decision and like many hard decisions the lead up is the worst – are you doing the right thing? How will people react?

        What I see in Harry’s face since returning is self-knowledge he did make the right decision. There is a lot of peace in that face now. And you get that after walking through the fire to the other side.

  28. Sunday says:

    All this does is confirm the obvious – that Wootton has direct sources within the RF and their staff. So, the tinfoil-adjacent question that leaves me with is, was this story an intentional message, perhaps Wootton telling Will that he’s not his only source, so he doesn’t need Will as much as Will thinks he does? (i.e., give me the goods or your secrets are getting outed?)

    I also can’t help but wonder if Harry knew Will was going to be occupied and intentionally chose that time to finally have a one-on-one with TQ. Either way, I think all his pointed statements about serving the monarchy and TQ are intentional and illustrate that (while she’s by no means innocent in all this) his major issues are not with her, but the rest of the family. This was finally his chance to have the meeting with her that the courtiers had blocked for weeks/months. I don’t think this meeting between a grandmother and her grandson was “extraordinary”, and as others have pointed out, the “contents” of the conversation as listed in the article are nothing but tabloid talking points and are almost certainly wrong, but I do think Harry took the opportunity to tell TQ what’s actually been going on without the interference from Charles or Will.

  29. Andrew’s Nemesis says:

    Okay, who was standing with a glass or stethoscope pressed to the door for four hours? William? After all, he doesn’t work (what DOES he do with his time, enquiring minds want to know?) and he’s clearly petty enough (exile to ‘Africa’, anyone? The continent he knows only by the formerly ‘white’ bits?). Boredom and toxicity are a dangerous combination. I’m amazed at the intricate level of detail in this latest piece of RR fiction – perhaps it isn’t entirely fiction, for once? Perhaps they’re bugging/hacking again, as in days of yore?
    I just bet Ma Middleton is egging William on from the sidelines, too. She probably convenes ‘War Cabinets’ where Penis-with-Teeth, poor Jason and Wiglet eagerly strategise on how to disseminate information to the Sussexes’ discredit. All this reveals is how pathetically little their lives are, though: and how narrow and self-serving they are. They could be doing so much. So much for their patronages, their charities: they have the world’s resources at their fingertips, and they spend their entire time in shopping and sabotage. I’d pity them if I didn’t loathe them.

    • Cosmo says:

      I agree with everything. If the rest of the royal family(wills and katee) stepped up and made themselves the stars they wouldn’t have to do the leaks and attacks on Harry and Meghan.

  30. Ennie says:

    Why, oh, why hasn’t this pseudoreporter has got more info on the long talks with brother Randy Andy? Why is it always Harry they report on?

  31. Cosmo says:

    The racist abusive media just don’t stop. I’m so glad Harry and his family are out of this mess. Why is it leaked that he is meeting with his grandma? Are the royals that desperate to make everything about Harry negative.

  32. AMM says:

    So the last two times Harry has been in the country, he has made sure to have one on one chats with his Grandma before meeting with Charles and William. And he has had no personal meeting with his dad or brother. I think that confirms where the issues are coming from. I feel like his relationship with Charles is slightly less strained (hes financially supporting them and did seem to like Meghan a little bit) but still not great. His relationship with William or Kate is non existent at this point.

    I cant believe people really buy this narrative that they took off to be super stars. Look at how fractured this family is. Look at the press. How can anyone assume it’s a money grab and not a bid for freedom and self preservation?

    • L4frimaire says:

      Agree. They are already superstars in the Royal family. Their profile can’t get any higher, so obviously it wasn’t all gold and roses if they felt the need to get out of hostile territory. We get upset when someone writes nasty things to us in social media or blocks us. I can’t imagine having a national press, not just one newspaper, but every major media outlet nationwide, treating you as an enemy or villain, with racist tropes, picking apart your personal life while condemning you for trying to keep some part of yourself private. Expecting you to perform your work way above and beyond the expectations of those higher in the pecking order, then resenting you and printing lies once you do perform your job well. Day in, day out, while getting death threats, having your own father sell you out, and having tax payers treat you as an object owned by them. Oh, and don’t forget to smile, be grateful, and stay skinny. Sure, it’s all about money and fame.

    • bluemoonhorse says:

      Harry knows it’s grandma who is the top power. He goes to her directly to say his piece without interference. When her secretary refused to let him talk with her, that is when all this exploded due to the Wooten leaks. JMO but I think she learned her lesson from that – better to sit down and talk it out face to face. And it isn’t like Harry is around any more to be available on any old day.

  33. Thea says:

    If Brenda really missed Archie, there’s this thing call FaceTime. It’s literally how all the grandmas and great grandmas talk to the kids who are half way around the world in my family and other families.

  34. Reimy says:

    For two people to have a heart-to-heart they both need to have one.

  35. Lowrider says:

    All conjecture by Wooten that is being spread around as facts.

  36. RoyalBlue says:

    I am picturing Harry and Betty Petty binge watching Hart to Hart together while having a cuppa.

  37. February Pisces says:

    I think harry can talk to the queen and lay everything out on the table, I don’t think she approves of williams behaviour, but for some reason she’s stuck between a rock and a hard place. I think William is lauding threats over the queen and Charles hence why they just sit back and let him slander harry. I don’t know if he keeps threatening to walk, or if he’s threatening to expose where the bodies are buried, but it’s like they are scared to challenge William. The closest the queen came to defending the Sussex was in her statement where she confirmed that negotiations had been going on for ‘months’ refuting claims (made up by Willieleaks) that they were ‘blindsided’. She won’t want Harry’s exile to be a success for him because he won’t ever come back, so I don’t see her actually helping him.

    • PrincessK says:

      Absolutely correct. The Queen and Charles are scared to challenge William because their reason for being is to ensure that the monarchy keeps going after they have gone and nobody rocks the boat. This is why they cannot publicly defend the Sussexes and are both willing to sacrifice Harry and Meghan to keep jealous William happy.

  38. Dara says:

    Four hours my ass. I doubt very much the queen has had a four hour conversation with anyone, ever. Aside from her horse trainers that is.

  39. Dutch says:

    I’m sure they did have a nice chat, he has always been reported as her favorite and I don’t doubt it.

    As an aside: if Willy were half as powerful as y’all give him credit for, then he really SHOULD be the next King because damn…

  40. whybother says:

    so the door is open for the whole family now instead of a jar for harry?
    it seems that someone is taking consideration the bad optic from the last leaked~
    4 hrs probably consist of them talking a bit, pleasantries, petty Liz voiced her disagreement and agreement on certain sussexit, harry nodding and giving some lip service and eating in awkward silence~
    but that just probably me

  41. blunt talker says:

    I am sorry to say this but the Queen lives and thinks in an different time-like a 100 years ago. If she really cared for Harry and his family the smearing and racial overtones from the media and other royal family members would have ceased. I don’t know how she thinks it is okay for this to happen without upsetting the Sussex family. Everything is not about having a stiff up lip-some things are morally wrong and evil in itself to do to another human being including an innocent child. All she had to do is make statement or phone call to the media in the beginning then the evil media would not have escalated to the point that forced Meghan and Harry to the breaking point. If I can’t help you, then I certainly would not harm or allow harm to come to you. The whole world is watching how they will be treated. United front doesn’t mean anything when a lot of this could have been avoided in the first place. Their acceptance is all Meghan and Harry wanted. They truly let the Sussex family down.

  42. Well-Wisher says:

    The only verifying facts are as follows- there was a meeting between Queen Elizabeth and her grandson Prince Harry.
    - the contents of the menu
    The leaker is obvious. Why did he leak? Was he forced to provide gossip for the sun? Most importantly will he ever stop leaking after the Sussexes are long gone?