Did the Cambridges barely acknowledge the Sussexes at Westminster Abbey?

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As I was going through all of our photos of the royals at the Commonwealth Day service at Westminster Abbey, I was struck with a depressing thought. There are probably so many people looking at these photos of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, looking radiant and glamorous, and thinking “good riddance.” If the Sussexit drama has taught me anything, it’s that there are too many people who find “glamour” and “radiance” to be threatening their very existence. I would argue that the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge felt threatened, and that’s why they lashed out from the beginning. The obituaries are still being written on the brothers’ relationship, but know this: William and Harry absolutely had a falling out. And it was significant enough to break their bond almost entirely.

Some fashion notes, before I go on and on. Meghan wore Emilia Wickstead – a caped dress – and a William Chambers hat. Kate wore her custom Catherine Walker coat which was seen a few Christmases ago. Kate did wear a new hat by Sally Ann Provan. I feel like both women went with retro-inspired looks, but Kate is the one looking like she’s wearing a costume. Add some length to the skirt of the coatdress, and she could easily be an extra in Downton Abbey. Meanwhile, Meghan looks like she stepped out of an Alfred Hitchcock film where she was playing the lead. Oh well. This is the choice everyone made: Will and Kate get embiggened and the Sussexes get exiled.

There was a strange moment just after the Sussexes were seated. The Cambridges came in after them (the royals arrived in order of least-to-greatest importance, with the Queen coming last), and as William and Kate were about to sit in the row in front of Harry and Meghan, William seemed to look over at them and Meghan briefly smiled at him. Since William’s bald top was facing the camera, we don’t know what his reaction was, but People Magazine says “William and Kate both offered brief hellos before taking their seats in front.” I don’t think so. I think Kate ignored them like a petty snob and I think William only acknowledged Meghan (alone) with a head nod.

And here’s Prince Edward making conversation with the Sussexes while William and Kate look like they’re on a blind date with each other.

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  1. Erinn says:

    I feel like something went down over the last day or two. There seems to be a huge shift. I know things weren’t great before, but it seems like something new came up. I suspect either the Cambridge’s were called out regarding leaks or the pettiness came to a head regarding the Sussexit. I don’t know.

    It DOES seem like Kate and Will ignored them for the most part. It’s possible that they just didn’t SEE Meghan wave and smile. I usually err on the side of ‘I’m sure it’s not THAT bad’, but this truly looked bad.

    I will say the Duke of Essex seemed pretty happy to chat them up, at least.

    • Scollins says:

      I think you’re right and whatever it was is uuugly. Harry has never seemed to be a spiteful person but he’s seemingly done trying to keep the peace.

      • Amy Too says:

        There are a bunch of articles saying that this was the very first and only time that Will and Kate saw/spoke to Harry and Meghan the entire trip. So I don’t think anything new happened between them on this trip. I think will and Kate are extra salty because of how super star-like the Sussexes have been this entire trip. People LOVE them. They are GLAMOROUS. They are sexy and inspiring and people came out for them. Those kids at the school Meghan went to? They were thrilled, to the point where one girl said she thought it was Kate and was like “eh” then saw it was Meghan and she freaked out with happiness. The members of the military at the Mountbatten music festival told Harry they had his back. So I think this is just the usual overshadowing. And it’s clear that Harry and Meghan didn’t try to stay in the shadows anymore. They didn’t try to dim their light. They have “this little light of mine” playing on their Instagram. They are clearly in love big time. I think that’s just it.

        And I think will and Kate were excited or at least pacified at the thought that “at least were the heirs, at least we’re more important and have higher status,” and were looking forward to getting to walk in the procession. And then they couldn’t. They were made to go sit down early with Harry and Meghan. I think W and K are quite obsessed with their status because it’s literally all the have over Harry and Meghan and they didn’t get to perform their status. This is just the distillation, perfect microcosm, perfect illustration of all the little things coming together.

      • Charlie says:

        Yeah, I think William made the argument for leaving Harry out of the procession and someone said said ‘fine, why don’t you take a seat, too.’

        Did William get schooled? Or maybe parented?

      • Anance says:

        My take: it was petty and prosaic.

        In the order of the procession, Kate and William would wait with H&M for Charles, Camilla, and the Queen. W&K didn’t want to talk to them, even small talk. So they took them off the procession. Buck Palace stated that some flunky of Queen made the decision. Sure!

        Sometime after the programs were printed, the Palace received backlash over this slight, so W&K did the next best thing: not be part of the procession, appear “holy” and simply cut them at the ceremony.

        All that happened. IMO, Harry was dumbfounded at the pettiness of the behavior while Meghan was all – “yeah, they were going to snub us one or another.”

    • Becks1 says:

      Earl of Wessex :-)

      And I think you’re right, I think something big happened over the past few days. I think there were obviously very significant issues before, but I think there was something big that prompted this poor behavior from the Cambridges. because it WAS poor behavior. I don’t think Kate even looked at them and if she did, it was for a split second. You can always at least smile and nod and then move on.

      • Erinn says:

        HA, I just read the other article and was like “shit… I said Duke AND Essex” and came back and saw your post haha. Just started on the coffee, apparently I should have started sooner because I don’t think I could have bungled that more!

        It was extra weird. I think maybe someone finally lost their cool and let a lot of things out. Not sure which side was the catalyst on that because I’m sure they both THINK they’re in their right to blow up (though really, W&K need to check themselves) but man. It’s TENSE. And usually Kate seems to be able to at least put on a little bit of a fake face and push through… but it’s like she didn’t even try.

        I almost wonder if there was another fight between W&K on the way over… but I think it’s probably tied directly to the Sussex’s.

        Who would have ever thought we’d have half of these weird news stories, though! It’s just been a wild ride.

      • Becks1 says:

        And I read that Will and Kate were in their car and gone before H&M even made it to outside the church. Not sure if that story is true, but if so, it makes clear that Will and Kate were going out of their way not to interact with the Sussexes, which is why I think the other story about how they voluntarily chose to sit before the queen walked in is BS, because they deliberately ignored the sussexes as much as possible. Something definitely happened.

        I know we are saying it was recent (like we knew there was a falling out but going with your theory of something big happening over the weekend or something) – but when was the last time we saw the Sussexes with the Cambridges? The remembrance concert in November? And there appeared to be very little interaction there. I cant remember the last time we saw them together before that. So maybe it wasn’t anything new, and we just haven’t gotten to see them together to analyze their body language?

      • Erinn says:

        That’s a really good point, Becks. We haven’t seen them together in quite a while. It could be that something big happened, but it would make just as much sense at this point for it to be a holding pattern since before Christmas. I’m kind of leaning for a bit of both? Like things had crumbled to a point where they probably weren’t going to get much better a while ago, but then maybe some other thing was said to them, or about them, and it kind of made everyone extra tense again. Or perhaps more came out regarding the leaks.

      • Nic919 says:

        I was surprised that Kate wasn’t able to put on a better fake face. I expected William to be the problem here.

        There are also some photos of Harry looking like he wants to murder William and Kate as he is walking behind them in the procession to leave the service.

        Meghan is the only one who is polite and civil throughout.

      • Original Jenns says:

        Definitely. If Meghan and Harry can at least play pretend and smile and wave (or be genuinely trying to be polite in public) but the most they can do is have William nod at them, the Cambridge’s are mad.

      • Emmitt says:

        The big thing that happened was the Sussexes returned looking triumphant to Britain.

        Meghan looked smashing and radiant, prompting the sad blue coat pap stroll.

        I don’t think there were any arguments between the Cambridges and the Sussexes, only that the Sussexes returned looking fresh, good and unbothered.

      • dlc says:

        I understand the British establishment has been after Meghan, the biracial actress for not being proper enough for them. Well I only saw 1 person of those 4 able to keep it together and act normal in public, and it was Meghan. The other 3 were sour enough that it was like airing dirty laundry in public. Wait while I clutch my pearls.

      • Lady2Lazy says:

        I think that the Cambridge’s went out of their way to be nasty to Harry and Meghan. Let’s not forget that Kate is still furious that Meghan outshined, out worked and out did the Lazy Katey!! Kate hates to be second fiddle to anyone, including. William. Meghan came into The Firm running and had many philanthropic and charities established once they married. She is also elegant, well spoken, speaks easily to a crowd and is never know to shy away from a project. Meghan highlighted Kate’s laziness and her inept ability to produce or oversee any worthwhile charities or programs. Meghan is more worthy of a royal title than Kate is. Also, let’s not forget that TQ invited her to Sandringham before they wed, which TQ did not extend an invitation to Kate before she and Will married, so she had been slighted since the beginning.

      • Erinn says:

        I think it also adds to their sourness that they have a whole new huge group of people calling them out on their shit. People who didn’t care about the royals are now criticizing Will and Kate for their poor behavior towards Meghan. They’re the butt of jokes from a ton of magazines or tabloids or blogs that never really batted an eye at them before Meghan came on the scene.

        And I really don’t think they know how to handle it – even a little.

        So when you see the photos of Meghan over the last few days, still showing up to work despite everything that took place, looking amazing and basically just all around killing it I bet it did stir up a new level of rage. And the way that M&H look at each other – and just interact in general, I suspect that’s not helping the Cambridge’s marriage either. I suspect that Kate has more than once thought about how Will doesn’t look at her the way Harry looks at Meghan. There’s just something so romantic about the way M&H interact with each other – it’s like the real deal fairytale. And that probably stings. I know I’d feel some pangs of jealousy if I were in her place.

      • Yvette says:

        @Lady2Lazy “I think that the Cambridge’s went out of their way to be nasty to Harry and Meghan.”

        I think it was Kate more than William, who at least acknowledged their presence with a look and a nod, but Kate didn’t even look in Harry and Meghan’s direction, and turned and sat right away with that lifted-chin entitled bitch face. Even when the Countess of Wessex engaged her in conversation, Kate made a deliberate point of looking directly at the Countess and then turned right back to face the front.

        I wonder why William and Kate consider Harry and Meghan such treats? I think of how great the four of them could have been together if only William and Kate had stood up for Harry and Meghan and embraced them as help-mates.

        And could someone please tell me how Meghan made poor Kate cry before her wedding? Was it really just because Meghan overruled a dress design choice for Charlotte to be wore at Meghan’s wedding? Isn’t that every Bride’s prerogative?

      • Anance says:

        Prince Edward was the designated buffer. His job was to be friendly to the Sussexes, keeping them occupied to cloak W&K nastiness. Sophie just ignored them by taking advantage of the seating arrangement. In keeping with her sycophantic personality, she avoided bothering W&K who right in front of her.

    • Jen says:

      I didn’t notice yesterday, but it looks like Harry greeted them as well and was ignored. At least it looks like he smiled and said hi.

      But yeah, the Sussexes are totally the problem here.

    • Diana says:

      Omg pass the popcorn. Obviously a Falling out happened… what was it??? Ugh how insufferable are these royals. So glad Harry and Meg left this dysfunctional, toxic bunch. They all deserve each other…

      • velourazure says:

        Meghan looks so happy in recent photos. Good effing riddance to that stuffy in-bred soap opera.

    • Still_Sarah says:

      My parents were from London and were raised steeped in the stiff upper lip culture. I was raised in Canada but it still applies (to me). I explain my relatively stoic nature and other odd behaviour by saying “I was raised by British parents”. I think there was tension there understandably but W&K could not be expected to give big smiles and hugs, etc. That is too American for their sensibilities. British people like them (upper class, raised by nannies, shipped off to boarding school while still in primary school) just aren’t that expressive. And I’ve always thought William was a bit of a cold fish anyway. I didn’t expect it to go any differently. Was it cold? Yes. Should H&M have expected a different response from W&K? No, not really. W&K think that they are right and wouldn’t have used a televised greeting at a church to “open a dialogue” over H&M’s departure.

      • L84Tea says:

        I don’t believe anybody was expecting big hugs with slaps on the back. But not even a small wave? A simple handshake? A mere HELLO? I get that the British aren’t warm and fuzzy, and that’s fine, but what they displayed yesterday was not a stiff upper lip. That was straight up rudeness, no matter how you slice the pudding.

      • Betsy says:

        There’s stoicism and then there’s blanking someone. That’s not stoic, it’s flat out rude.

      • Jen says:

        A nod and a smile or a “hello” and a look are all that people are expecting here. Not a heart to heart or a big hug.

      • bananapanda says:

        I said a long time ago (when they were dating) that it might be harder for Meghan to marry into a British family rather than the Royal nonsense. Both America and UK have private school/upper middle class cliques but the UK is still grounded in a weird class structure that the US sort of ignores or wipes away with money. It seems like Meghan’s crashing into the UK cliques peeled back the underbelly for Harry. Harry may have been a little naive to hope that his friends would embrace Meghan and appreciate her philanthropic ambition – which Harry was leaning towards already with Invictus Games and his friendship with the Obamas.

        On the other side, I think Will was only happy when Harry was the hapless third wheel to him and Kate. When Harry stepped away and got a family and opinions and his own social media/charity presence Will seemed to have a fit.

      • Jessica says:

        I’m pleased to see that the whole trip played out the way it did. Their body language speaks volumes more than whatever was or wasn’t said.

        The ugliness seems to be mostly between William Kate and Harry. William and Kate are pissed that he didn’t fall in line like he was supposed to. Harry is disgusted with their failure to support Meghan in her time of need. You don’t just get over that. What part of William’s duty (as 3rd in line at this point?) prevents him from being a good person and supporting others? And where the f&*k is Charles in all of this?

        My take away from this trip is: Meghan was born to lead and is already moved on. Her effect on those kids at the school, her confidence and elegance, her sincerity. She will do great things while the Waleses and the Cambridges tread water.

        Ultimately they probably can’t wait to get back to the cutest baby in their world, little Archie. Nothing else matters.

      • Nic919 says:

        No one expected hugs and kisses at the service but Kate in particular looked rude ignoring them. When you have to zapruder the various angles to determine if she even looked their way, she clearly didn’t. William nodded so it wasn’t quite as bad even if chilly. I would have expected him to be worse frankly.

      • kirshenbaom says:

        Last year meg and Kate hugged eachother at the same ceremony so I don’t think that that upper stiff lip excuse is valid

    • Sunday says:

      I don’t necessarily think something big happened for the simple fact that if it had I think KP would’ve leaked and spun it as much as possible because as we’ve seen they have no shame. If anything I think that the story that leaked about William intending to spend some time with Harry was true; William probably expected Harry to jump on that and offer an apology (because he would; no matter the circumstances he’d never cow to the spare) and Harry probably said thanks but no thanks (probably a bit more heatedly than that), hence the cold shoulder and immature treatment. Anything else and Dan Wooton would’ve had exclusive after exclusive about how angelic and perfect W&K are and how the evil Sussexes ruined everything.

      • Kelly says:

        there is a leak on Mail today. That the Sussexes created such a fuss that they wouldn’t be in the procession and Willy Nilly and Kate had to calm and come to the rescue for the Queen by also not being in the procession, after (gasp) 3000 copies already signed off on were sent out. Will and Kate are the heroes …. again the Sussexes are a problem. The narrative keeps rolling out.

      • Sunday says:

        yes that Becky English story; while that’s obviously spin, it’s after the fact and it’s not based on anything that we didn’t directly see in the footage. The Sussexes were left out of the program, so this wasn’t a last minute decision. It seems pretty clear that the Cambridges were angry about being taken out of the order of procession at the last minute, which could itself be the reason for the cold shoulders they gave. Becky’s story is trying to spin their own behavior and the reason she gives is thin as ice, whereas if there had been “something big” (Kate cried again! Harry tries to punch William!) it would’ve been all over the place instead of this, which is really just trying to justify W&K’s bad behavior.

      • Becks1 says:

        @Kelly – Kaiser covered that story in this post if you want more of our thoughts on it (and why wouldn’t you?!?! LOL)

        https://www.celebitchy.com/655317/did_the_queen_andor_prince_william_screw_over_the_sussexes_one_last_time/#comments

      • Nic919 says:

        Clearly William and Kate weren’t gracious about giving up their spot in the procession if they ended up giving bitch face to Harry and Meghan instead of a polite greeting. Neither Kate or William even acknowledged Harry so they were obviously resentful.

    • Ava4eva says:

      Agreed. What William should have done was shove the chairs out of the way, bear hug Harry and Meghan, and then start high fiving everyone in the first 3 rows.

      Oh wait, they’re in a church……

      • Original Jenns says:

        What William AND Kate should have done is acknowledge them. But I guess that’s too much to ask.

      • Feeshalori says:

        Simple courtesy, with emphasis on “simple,” would be an exchange of greetings. No need to over exaggerate on high-fiving, bear hugging and chair shoving. Certainly not with the Coronavirus factor.

      • GuestWho says:

        Yes, that’s totally what everyone here thought should happen. s/

      • Jaded says:

        A smile and a hello would have sufficed, but no, the Duke and Duchess of Resentment couldn’t even find it in their cold, cold hearts (if they have hearts) to acknowledge them.

      • Erinn says:

        I don’t know about others, but when I was taken to church as a kid, and someone greeted, you at least gave a subdued wave and or nod back. If you were greeted by the people in the pew ahead or behind you, dad and gramp would usually quietly say a quick “nice to see you, hope you’re well” type of sentiment in a hushed manner. Gramp was raised by a really frigid Scottish woman (an absolutely terrible person, not a commentary on Scots in general), but we’re Canadian. Emotions weren’t things you showed a lot in public in gramp’s eyes because of the upbringing he had. But you still would do the nod/wave/handshake and quiet greeting. I actually watched the video expecting to catch a similar interaction, and… nothing.

    • AnnaKist says:

      Our national broadcaster reported that as per their Coronavirus protocol, they did not touch in any way, and since they were in different rows, there was little opportunity for the Sussexes and Cambridges to interest. Rather convenient, all the same. I really hope the Cambridges were called out for their nastiness and pettiness. It’s very sad to see how this family situation has devolved, and I hope the Sussexes go on to great success, individually and as a couple, and that they enjoy happy and fulfilling lives. Regardless of what has happened behind closed doors, they’ve conducted themselves with dignity and seemingly good humour in public. I look at the Cambridges now and all I see is Duke Gormless and Duchess Smugg.

      • Sunday says:

        LOL coronavirus protocol – don’t wave or smile at each other, just hug, shake hands with and close-talk like a hundred other people coming and going. Great excuse, guys.

      • SomeChick says:

        Right. The coronavirus means you can’t say “hello” or even nod!

        STAHP, you William and Catherine apologists!

        They were RUDE. In CHURCH. You want to make a thing about it being in church? Well then, how about a little Christian humility and forgiveness? No?

        Blanking someone who you know, who just said hello to you, is beyond rude.

        Meghan was very cordial. As she tends to be. Harry nodded to them. And they were utterly standoffish. How hard is it to say “hello” and nod before you turn away?

        That top pic says it all.

      • Becks1 says:

        @Somechick – the excuses are kind of hilarious in their sad way.

      • Erinn says:

        HA! That’s such an insane excuse – even as far as wild excuses go. If they had done SOMETHING to acknowledge them and hadn’t looked so salty the entire time, you could MAYBE try to run that excuse, but given the videos of this whole interaction it’s pretty hilarious, actually in a sad sort of way.

      • Anon says:

        This is some hideously third tier spinning from the BBC!

      • Check out Katie Nicholl’s Vanity Fair piece on “Kate’s just taking all this badly.” Poor Kate, it has been so hard on her to give up everything she knows and relocate to another country for a man she loves and deal with 2 hostile families (hers and his) and a hostile press …..oh wait that’s actually Meghan! Ok, poor Kate, she gave up everything, married the man she loved and had a beautiful family but his family blanked her and her baby and husband so much, leaked lies about her, and then she had to deal with all that hostility and racism that it forced her and her husband to take their baby and leave everything her husband has ever known and relocate to another country…..oh wait, that’s Harry, Meghan, and Archie! Ok, poor Kate, even after she tried so hard, worked so hard and tried to make it right her husband’s family still continued to leak lies about her and did everything they could to let her know she should never, never, ever come back with that baby of hers, but still when her MIL commanded her to, she came and was spot on, but his family still shit on her —- even in front of a worldwide audience in a house of God……oh wait, again that’s Meghan. Ok, poor Kate, she’s stuck with herself and her nasty ass karma ….yes, poor Kate. Please, Katie Nicholl — mouthpiece for Keen Kate — needs to sit down and shut up!

    • Devon says:

      Meghan said hi loud enough for both W&K to hear. William acknowledged her with a nod. Kate looked away intentionally and froze her out. I realize you tend to bend over backwards to give the Cambridges the benefit of the doubt but they showed their true colors yesterday and no excuses will change that.

      • Nic919 says:

        Meghan was clearly the one with the best social skills in that scenario, even though she keeps being accused of being a gauche American.

        The Becky English story probably has a grain of truth in that will and Kate gave up walking in the procession, but they were obviously bitter about it.

      • Erinn says:

        I bend over backwards to give them the benefit of the doubt? My god. I literally didn’t say a thing up there that cut them slack other than Kate MAYBE not seeing Meghan wave. I actually didn’t even see William nod to them – it seemed to me that he was nodding at something the Earl said. And how could I possibly know how loudly Meghan said hi? The video I watched above did not have any sound attached.

        I said it looks bad and that I think something happened recently to cause more issues, and that other than Meghan (and Harry, but he has a hard time hiding emotion on his face) it seemed that nobody could even be bothered to hide their unhappiness.

  2. Em says:

    Ugh, it was so awkward!
    Harry looked sad, and Meg just had the fake smile pasted on because what else was she going to do.
    Kate had the stone face going, and she absolutely ignored them.
    They generally ignored each other. Not like Harry made any overtures.

    It looked like there was a silent understanding that they would be civil, but nobody except Meg could bring themselves to actually do it. Not really surprising.

    • Nina says:

      Harry looked over it most of the time. Meghan
      Like if he didn’t want to be there in the first place.
      And meghan was just trying to stay professional and cordial.
      But this was too much to ask to William and Kate who must have lost control over something and cannot stand it

      • Em says:

        For sure, and really what else did people expect? I mean this was totally forced by the Queen to get Harry all nostalgic and want to come home. So that didn’t work, and was never going to.

      • Marie says:

        Harry didn’t look sad to me, he looked like he was over it. He seemed to have a nice conversation with Prince Edward and was cute with Meghan. I think he is done faking it. I’m sure that is why he didn’t want to do the procession.

        Kate looked absolutely miserable to me. She barely smiled and seemed super stiff.

        Meghan was her flawless self. Both Harry and Meghan smiled at the Cambridge’s. That shows that they are the bigger person. Everyone is seeing how nasty Will and Kate are.

    • Nan says:

      It’s probably Kate who’s very resentful of her increased workload. She’s the stiff upper lip type so probably thinks Harry & Meghan should ignore all the bad press and harassment and just keep shouldering their duties. Now more of the load falls on her and I bet she’s ripped about it.

      • Dee says:

        Poor Katie Keen will have to actually visit her patronages now.

      • Hope says:

        None of Kate’s usual stunts worked during the Ireland trip. No one cared about her fashion or theme dressing, no one cared about her Reiss coat, no one cared about the hand holding, no one cared about her pulling dumb faces.

        What can Kate do if she can’t resort to her limited bag of tricks? Who can she react to as “the good one” if the other person leaves?

        All Kate has is her struggle survey. And people are going to ask what happens next.

      • Amy Too says:

        And none of those patronages will ever be as excited to see her as the kids at the school Meghan went to were. Kate is stuck doing all this extra work with no extra adulation. Meghan gets to do less royal family work, but every time she does come back for a visit or does something with the patronages she still holds, she will be treated like a rockstar. And the more Kate dwells on this and compares herself to Meghan, the sourer her face gets and the colder and more stiff she becomes, which just perpetuates the problem. Whereas the more freedom Meghan gets, the happier she is, the more confidence she shows, the less light dimming she does, the better she gets at it all and the more excited people are to see her.

    • S808 says:

      I didn’t see any sadness in Harry, he looked like he abhors them all especially in some shots when he was behind W&K. They’re lucky looks can’t kill.

    • MJM says:

      Meghan’s smile didn’t appear fake in the least.

  3. Nina says:

    Of course they did . Then they posted pictures of Harry and Meghan on their account.
    Thé hypocrisy and the rudeness.
    Perfect for The Royal brand

  4. Busy Bee says:

    The Cambridge’s think they have won and maybe in the short game they have. The thing is that Harry and Meghan are in this for the long haul and they have what it takes. Aside from the moment Will is made King the Sussex’s will always outshine them on the global stage.

    • Em says:

      At this rate I don’t even know for sure that it will happen. Once the Queen is gone (whether she passes away, or gives Charles the crown), the question of the monarchy will come up again. Too many of the younger generation are disgusted by the RF – the pedo uncle thing, the Phillip driving thing, the overt racism, laziness, crazy spending, tone deafness…
      Wouldn’t surprise me if Will doesn’t get to take the throne, or at the very least if the role gets greatly diminished.

      • Spicecake38 says:

        Greatly diminished is the only possible way I can see this whole new younger generation going forward with the monarchy.They need to streamline to perfection and good for H and Meg to be seeing this,and already making some plans for themselves and their boy.

  5. Scollins says:

    The Cambridge’s wish came true with the exit of H&M and it’s backfired. There’s no question they’ll be paying for it for years to come. Too bad so sad. Their rudeness yesterday was astonishing. How dumb are those people?

    • OH NO says:

      I’m sure it’s finally hit them that all the crap theyve done in the dark since Meghan’s arrival will start coming to light once the RRs get desperate for clicks and likes.

      If Kate had enough time to re-up on the tox so she didn’t have a repeat of last year, she had enough time to say hello to Meghan…Harry never should have had her back because clearly she and her husband are trifling

    • S808 says:

      I’m confused about Kate especially cause William at least seemed diplomatic enough to nod back at them. What happened to “Kate is the one keeping the peace”?

      • ItReallyIsYouNotMe says:

        I also noticed that Kate usually tries to be at least cordial to Meghan in public, which makes me wonder if there was a recent blowup and Kate was the one to let all her thoughts out.

      • Becks1 says:

        I was really surprised at Kate. she didn’t seem to even glance in their direction. William at least did the bare minimum and responded to Meghan (and I think Harry gave a quick smile.) Kate knew the cameras were on them, she knew their interaction was going to be monitored, and she behaved like that.

      • L84Tea says:

        It’s possible that Kate was simply seething due to all the amazing good press Meghan got all weekend long. We all know that stuck one to Kate because she likes all eyes on her. I think like many others, they were expecting H&M to arrive and get dragged, and instead they brought the fire of a thousand suns and set the UK ablaze. That bothered Kate for sure.

      • Valiantly Varnished says:

        Kate’s jealous. And truly always has been of Meghan. She and Will are two jealous dullards in a pod. And the amount of amazing press and photos of Meghan over the week clearly had an effect on her. Hence the manufactured pap stroll last weekend.

        So I can totally see her being rude and petty towards Meghan

      • Carmen says:

        @L84: That was my guess. There was no reason for Kate to be rude and nasty except out of sheer spite. Her nose must have been 60° out of joint during the entire weekend while the Sussexes were getting lionized in London and she was stuck in Ireland where nobody was paying attention to her. But I’m surprised she didn’t have have enough class or poise to act right in public. Meghan was polite and gracious to her while Kate acted like a straight-up bitch in front of the whole world. The Queen must have been disgusted.

      • Valiantly Varnished says:

        @Carmen I think we need to stop projecting how we would react onto QE. Her ACTIONS have shown that she doesn’t give a damn about how Will & Kate act. She aids and abets their actions at every turn. And QE herself has been petty AF during this entire process. ALL of these people are horrible – INCLUDING QE.

      • Feeshalori says:

        Yes, I also believe all the great press Harry and Megan received over the weekend had gotten to Kate and that’s the straw that broke the camel’s back. And maybe seeing how Meghan rocked green really sent her over the edge!

      • Chrissyms says:

        It doesn’t seem like that long ago that these ladies were watching tennis together with Pippa. Something else has gone down

      • Devon says:

        Kate’s behaved like this in the past with other countries’ royalty when they outshine her. She’s a spiteful woman.

      • Guest with Cat says:

        Did that mean Meghan make poor Katie cry again? Seriously, Kate is massively cheesed off to completely forget appearances like that. Was it the color green that had her seeing red?

        Piers Morgan supposedly was ranting Meghan has no right to smile or something. I haven’t bothered to read the article. He’s deranged and his splutter is not worth my interest at this point

      • Sid says:

        Kate pretty much showed her feelings regarding Meghan back during that polo game where everyone brought their kids. If my sister-in-law arrives with my baby nephew, I am going to get up, greet her, and see if she needs help with the baby. Yet you never saw one picture of Kate interacting with Meghan. And if there had been an interaction, you better believe it would have been photographed and trumpeted in the press as Kate being so kind and helpful to the “hapless” new mom. There was also that balcony appearance where William almost had to shove Kate as she was pushing back against moving over enough to allow Meghan and Harry to have some space to move up. The writing has been on the wall with her for a while now.

  6. Royalwatcher says:

    Here’s the link I was referring to in my previous post. https://twitter.com/mellypayne12/status/1237142195305680896?s=21

    • (TheOG) jan90067 says:

      WOW… just …wow. Middle-aged men doing things I’d expect from little kids. It’s like…you KNOW M&H were dealing with the racist, xenophobic BM, but …DAMN… drawing witch hats and brooms on Meghan’s photos?? BY MIDDLE-AGED MEN???

      I am SO happy that H&M removed themselves, and especially Archie out of that toxic swamp. The sooner the better!

      • SomeChick says:

        Hey Jan, I appreciate your comment! Because otherwise I might have accidentally clicked on that link!

        What a bunch of giant babies. Schoolyard bullies, the lot of them.

        Harry looked pained because he knew he had to get through that last public appearance. And he knew the “reporters” (actually editorial commentators, let’s be real) would savage Meghan one last time. They’ll get nothing for a while now. And then H&M will launch something cool, and continue to glow.

        Meghan was professional and cordial throughout. Because of course she was.

        William and Catherine showed their true colors.

        I’m sure Charles and William and Catherine (and Sophie too!) are happy as pigs in sh*t. The queen is probably sick of hearing about it all.

        I’m with Anne – nope right on out of there.

        The “commonwealth” is just a scheme to whitewash british colonialism anyway.

        I hope the various countries start opting out.

    • GuestWho says:

      This on top of the creep RRs discussing how sexy Meghan is and how it is her downfall on the train in Ireland last week just highlights how utterly bereft of decency these middle-aged creepers in the “press” are. Big bunch of high school bullies who’ve never had to grow up.

  7. ChillyWilly says:

    Dayum, Meg tried to wave and say hello and the Cambridge ‘s gave her the cold shoulder. Harry didn’t even bother trying.
    I want to know what Harry said to Meg right after that happened. Awkward AF.

    • Your cousin Vinny says:

      I think Harry tried. He gave a really sweet and what seemed (to me at least) a genuinely warm smile to someone – I couldn’t tell if it was Will or Kate or both. It was momentary but it was there and it made me feel sad to see it given how hurt he clearly feels.

      What a strange interaction, I wonder if we will ever know the full story of what has gone down behind the scenes.

      On a different note the more I look at Meghan’s outfit the more I love that colour on her – just gorgeous.

  8. Aria says:

    Lol kate was mad as hell beacuse as for one Meghan took William whipping boy away from William. Also mad at harry for taking Meghan from press and now all the tides will be at kate and his kids (spare ones) they will be the media target beacuse in the end they always protect the heir . Now Sussex are gone William will be happily go back to rose bushes and leave the spares and Kate to get paped for press coverage.

  9. JJ McClay says:

    I don’t know how/why Meaghan keeps wearing Emilia Wickstead after Emilia was so rude about her wedding dress. MM clearly doesn’t carry a grudge like I do, haha!

    She looks gorgeous though. It’s actually my least favourite outfit of this tour (the blue, then the red, then the white, in order!) and she STILL looks crazy gorgeous. I’m so glad for her that she looks so good, and that she doesn’t appear to be showing any tension or stress. This whole trip cannot have been easy for them, but she’s seemed so gracious and radiant…

    The RF don’t deserve her!

  10. heygingersnaps says:

    The Dolittles/Cain & Unable, showed their pettiness, even Sophie, sure it may be awkward to lean and talk but could it have killed her to give Harry & Meghan a smile? Instead of sitting there like she swallowed a lemon.

    The outdated BRF gets what they deserved, dull selfish people who don’t have a clue about what service really means. Who are in it for themselves and not for the ‘people’ they claim to be in service of.

    Dull/yes people – check
    royal who is an accused pedophile/abuser – check
    royals with shady contacts – check
    Workshy royals – check

    All is right in petty betty’s land.

  11. aquarius64 says:

    The Cambridges behaved like jerks at the service and Harry has never been good at covering his feelings. I think the Sussexes met with the queen on Sunday and Meghan used the face time to tell HM her feelings, any involvement of the Keens in the smear campaign- particularly involving her dad-and brought receipts. The queen laid into the Lambridges for causing Sussexit and mainly contributing to the Windsors’ bad reputation now. Betty pulled the plug on Bill and Cathy from walking the Queen’s procession at WA. W & K went into damage control made because they were getting dragged in the press for Rude-gate, spinning it that they bowed out from the walk as a “gesture” for Harry and Meghan’s hurt feelings. My tin foil tiara for the day.

    • Elle says:

      you’ve convinced me! sounds entirely plausible

    • crogirl says:

      @AQUARIUS64
      I wish people would stop excusing the Queen, I don’t think she or Charles were merely bystanders while Cambridges were doing all the smearing.
      And I don’t believe for one second the Queen cares who’s right or wrong. For her Meghan is the outsider who came between her grandsons.

      • aquarius64 says:

        I’m letting the queen off the hook, especially for Andrew. I suggest the Windsors are a royal house of ill repute because of Frick and Frack. She’ll privately jam up offenders to keep them in line.

    • swirlmamad says:

      Hmmmm….this has more than a whiff of plausibility to it! Curiouser and curiouser.

    • joanne says:

      I love the term ” the Lambridges”. Thanks for the laugh.

    • Betsy says:

      That would explain all we’ve seen.

    • February Pisces says:

      Something to that effect probably happened. But one things for sure, the Cambridge’s not walking with the queen last minute was NOT their decision. Someone most likely the queen pulled the plug, cos there’s no way they were gonna miss out on the opportunity to get one over the Sussex’s.

  12. Zapp Brannigan says:

    Bet that the Sussexes will be glad to get home to their little boy and away from this nonsense. As for the FFK and FFQ they might want to invest in some job training because the way things are going the monarchy might not be around too much longer, the royals are showing themselves as not fit for purpose.

    • (TheOG) jan90067 says:

      The BRF has enough “personal wealth” in jewels, art, and real estate that they will NEVER have to “work”, other than to have “their people” hire “other people” to oversee it all.

      Kind of a shame though…I’d love to see Can’t and Unable behind a counter asking, “You want fries/chips with that?” 😄

  13. Scollins says:

    Why be courteous and warm to H&M? Because they’re family?
    edit This was a response to a comment that has disappeared.

    • Harper says:

      And wouldn’t another reason to be courteous and warm is that it’s the polite thing to do? And isn’t that the entire shtick of the BRF? They’re polite, even to obnoxious foreign presidents?

      My southern grandma would have had a fit. She didn’t mind family fights, but the greatest sin was to show any evidence of discord in public.

    • Carmen says:

      Because that’s the way well-bred people act. At least in public.

    • bluemoonhorse says:

      Maybe because they are future heads-of-state and should show diplomacy under pressure? Call me crazy —

    • Juniper says:

      This astounded me. Were these people raised in a barn? You can be civil and say hello for 10 seconds. One would think she will meet and have to interact with many people whom she doesn’t like. I guess Carole left that part out of Kate’s training.

  14. Originaltessa says:

    Ugh, people from the UK, how can you stand it? Paying for this petty dysfunctional family, and propping them up like God himself put them there? I’d protest. They’re the woooorst. Harry and Meghan are doing what they all should be doing. Just give it up.

  15. Aria says:

    This is not about team Meghan it’s about fairness. People think they have right to criticize Meghan then they have to do the same to kate but keeping Kate on pedestal is so stupid. For example when Meghan close the car door people and rr bitch a out imaginary protocol but the same ppl praising Kate for closing her car door. Double standard bullshit. Here we also praise for her work in last month or so.

    Edit . The comment was deleted.

  16. Capepopsie says:

    Wow, that was rude! I was hoping for better manners.
    Nevermind, we are seeing their true colours. Pretty
    embarrasing though!

  17. S808 says:

    Meghan is nice for greeting them cause I wouldn’t have but then again cameras are all on her and she probably would’ve been dragged to hell and back if she didn’t. I have no idea why there’s a stick up W&K’s ass. They got what they wanted: H&M moved out of the country and are no longer working royals. Isn’t that what they wanted?

    Meghan and Edward were professional and literally all of the rest of them (including Harry) looked like they’d rather be backpacking thru Death Valley with a single bottle of nestle water than be with each other. Harry is really done with them.

    • Betsy says:

      Yes, it’s bizarre to me that Willy got what he wanted – his brother and sister in law banished – and he’s still salty. I really agree with whoever said that something happened this weekend. I think Will (and Kate) were being punished by the Queen.

      • bluemoonhorse says:

        He got the ice cream flavor he wanted but now realizes it isn’t as good as he thought. Like that video of that cat begging for a spinach leaf and once it gets it, his whole face goes sour.

  18. P says:

    Yes, K&W come to their seats, say hello to the Wessex, Meghan days Hi, they ignore her.

  19. Jay says:

    I recognize the look Harry’s giving – this is my “super engrossed in this wedding program so I won’t have to make eye contact with hateful relatives” look. Move along, aunt Marge, I have to find out more about this soloist!

    They must all have known a friendly interaction was expected, so it’s a real choice not to do it. Meghan has her game face on like the pro she is, but Harry just NOT having it.

    Maybe Gran repeated her “door is open for you” offer, that she could allow him to come crawling back to palace life if he could just leave Meghan and Archie in Canada?

  20. Jay says:

    I recognize the look Harry’s giving – this is my “super engrossed in this wedding program so I won’t have to make eye contact with hateful relatives” look. Move along, aunt Marge, I have to find out more about this soloist!

    They must all have known a friendly interaction was expected, so it’s a real choice not to do it. Meghan has her game face on like the pro she is, but Harry just NOT having it.

    Maybe Gran repeated her “door is open for you” offer, that she could allow him to come crawling back to palace life if he could just leave Meghan and Archie in Canada?

  21. Becks1 says:

    I know I spent a good deal of time yesterday semi-defending Sophie, but I watched some more videos last night and I take back my defenses. She was flat out ignoring them.

    I also noticed that Meghan curtseyed to Charles but then looked at her program when Camilla went to sit down, and didn’t seem to make eye contact with her. Now of course its possible that when curtseying to Charles she made eye contact with Camila and Camilla smiled at her, but it was hard to tell from the angle.

    And then I’m thinking back to Camilla’s canceling of that event with H&M in November, and Camilla’s “course” comment about missing H&M….and I’m starting to think maybe I’ve been giving her too much benefit of the doubt as well.

    Basically I think the women of the royal family must have treated Meghan like crap. If that’s how they treat her in public at a significant annual event, how must they treat her in private??

    • L84Tea says:

      Same here. I’ve always leaned more on the liking side to Sophie, until yesterday. She was just as rude and childish and W&K. The only one with any sense of civility–whether it was fake or genuine–was Edward.

      • Bren says:

        Basically Meghan divorced the firm with Harry by her side leading the way out. Harry and Meghan now have the freedom to live without the constraints of the firm trying to dictate their every move. Perhaps Camilla, Kate and Sophie are united in their saltiness against Meghan because she won and won’t be a long suffering wife like them in an institution that serves no purpose other than being symbolic and a bit of a hot mess.

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      Yeah am beginning to think that the wider family has an issue with Meghan and her relationship with Harry. I don’t think Chuck has a problem with her and I don’t think TQ has per se but it seems that the wider family has picked a side, and they’ve sided with Cain and Unable.

      • (TheOG) jan90067 says:

        Let’s not forget, their future purse-strings are tied to Can’t and Unable. If they get on their “bad” side, once Can’t holds the money, they are likely to be cut off. And horrors of horrors, they might actually have to…*gulp*…WORK!

      • PrincessK says:

        If they want the monarchy to survive they have no choice but to side with Cain and Unable. William knows that people have to be nice to him to ensure that he doesn’t throw in the towel.

    • GuestWho says:

      Camilla is the same woman who befriended a 20-year old Diana while being involved with her husband. She’s not “good” – she’s just entertaining when she’s drunk.

      • NLopez says:

        Camilla is not to be trusted.

      • bluemoonhorse says:

        Yep. People keep believing the white-washed history of her that Charles promotes. Not to be trusted is correct. Hope she enjoys being Queen Consort.

      • GuestWho says:

        Apparently it will be “Princess Consort” (I read somewhere the other day that they were going to stick with the agreement they made when the queen allowed them to marry). In fact, I thought it would be really funny if they made that a precedent and downgraded the position for perpituity and Kate would miss out on being Queen Consort…now THAT would be some grade-a karma.

      • bluemoonhorse says:

        When Charles gets power you can bet she will be Queen Consort. He isn’t going to have anything less for her.

    • Marie says:

      I agree with you 110% Becks1 I think Camilla has a lot to do with it. More than we know. It’s a shame because she seemed very excited when they got engaged.

      • Beach Dreams says:

        I know this is an unpopular opinion because she’s well-liked and/or respected here, but I’ve gotten shady vibes from Camilla for a while now. In fact, I’m reminded of last year’s Commonwealth service where she gave a cursory glance/greeting to Meghan then proceeded to speak at length to Kate. It caught my eye at the time but no one talked about it, so I thought I was just reading into things too closely (especially since Charles was right there too and chatting to both Sussexes). Meghan’s reaction to seeing her yesterday makes me wonder now….

    • I don’t understand why the Queen bothered to order them back to attend this service as SENIOR royals and then cocks the whole thing up with making them ‘take a seat’ with the other MINOR royals before the procession. The Sussexes are still SENIOR royals until March 31 according to the Queen. Someone pointed out yesterday that the original Order of Procession brochure — showing this action — was put together by Queen’s staff but that before it was printed, the Queen and Charles had to sign off on it. So, did the Queen order them back just to humiliate them and then when Harry found out about it the shit hit the fan big time? The Order of Procession yesterday may seem petty or minor to many, but maybe for Harry it was the cherry on top of the shit pie his family has been forcing down the Sussexes throat for several years. That said, I don’t believe for one moment that the Cambridge’s willingly chose to not participate in Procession. Something seriously nasty went down behind the scenes I think.

      I watched the videos and Meghan is her usual, professional self. Harry (according to a lip reader) said, ‘Hi Kate’ which she totally ignored as she didn’t even look at Harry or Meghan. Harry nodded and then smiled at William, who looks like he nodded to both of them and said something. Sophie never glanced their way. I felt like I was watching a scene from Mean Girls, where the popular kids act like entitled asses. I slow mo-d through video of C/C approach and it looked like H/M and C/C all had big smiles and made eye contact. Meghan doesn’t look down until the exchange is over.

      Unlike many of you, I was not surprised by Kate. I think she’s really been feeling her oats since Meghan left the country and she pulled the same shit on Meghan and Harry yesterday that she unsuccessfully tried to pull off with Rose. She was sending a message that she wants them ostracized. I think Kate truly believes her current press that she is Queen Bee. I also find it interesting how fast the story was spun that the Cambridge’s sacrificed themselves yesterday because the Sussexes were acting like a couple of babies. Kate’s nasty behavior alone put paid to that BS for me.

      As to Sophie, I remember her last public appearance with Meghan at the Remembrance wreath laying ceremony. Meghan stood on small balcony between Sophie and Anne’s husband. I remember commenting on here that Sophie never once looked at or acknowledged Meghan and she had a scowl on her face the entire time. She behaved exactly the same yesterday.

      I actually hope Harry lost it with someone in his family right before this appearance over this mess as I truly think The Firm planned this slap in the face as the Sussexes’ final engagement. I think they are that cruel, that stupid and that petty.

      • cherriepie84 says:

        That’s what I saw too. Camilla and Meghan did exchange smiles, however briefly and Camilla seemed to even nod her head at them in acknowledgment. the other interactions with the exception of the Earl of Wessex were quite….awkward.

      • Lyn says:

        Oh I’m sure if Kate could ostracize Meghan from society she would, but she doesnt have that power. Meghan is still running around working with high profile ppl and institutions in the UK and none of them feel the need to change their relationship on Kate or the family’s account.

        Meghan left the Royal family in January and came back to the country and had a parade put out for her and her husband. From the military to the usually uninterested teenagers all gave an ovation. And that must rankle.

        Especially because in the lead up to the visit we got the usual Kate is the heart of the RF and country, Meghan will be chastened, no one likes her, she may be booed, Military dont like Harry’s decision etc. Instead apart from the one idiot boo the opposite happened with Meghan and Kate was reduced to staging a pap stroll.

      • Emmitt says:

        The lip reader is making stuff up because Harry wouldn’t have said “Hi Kate,” he would’ve said “Hi, Catherine.” I’ve never heard Harry refer to Kate as “Kate,” only as “Catherine.”

      • Guest with Cat says:

        Hi JA Lowcountry Lady,

        I share the same thoughts on this as you expressed. I can only think maybe the Sussexes weren’t included on the order of procession, or whatever it is, because apparently it was a long time before Meghan was confirmed to actually be attending this event and they had to plan some aspects without her.

        Maybe if her initial reception at her earlier events had been harsh, she was going to skip this event and only Harry would attend. He had been confirmed to attend very early on. It’s tough to think on it now, after they set the UK aglow with raindrop glitter, but a lot people expected Meghan was going to get beat down hard by everyone. Actually she probably did (the stuff that the journalists have been reported as saying about her is vicious and there was some bitch calling her trailer trash on MSNBC) but she carried herself like she didn’t, so all we saw was a badass touring like a Queen, connecting like magic with the people worth connecting with. She has even finished here like a true Queen, even with the mean girls surrounding her looking like they swallowed lemons.

        But pulling the Cambridges from it was definitely last minute and I bet there’s a lot of drama behind that.

      • Good points Guest with Cat. A different way of looking at the exclusion from the program but I like it. But who said Meghan wasn’t confirmed when Harry confirmed? Was that an official BP statement or just wishful thinking by RR?

    • Hope says:

      When Emilia Wickstead made her awful comments, Sophie immediately showed up in her clothes. That’s when I knew.

      Sophie’s comments that led to her leaving her job way back when showed exactly who she is.

      The Queen, Charles, and William all have control over the money. Sophie sucks up to those people and their spouses. She’s a total opportunist.

      I also don’t think Emilia ever genuinely made things right with Meghan. I think Meghan wears her clothes to take away the controversy and show that she can’t be hurt by the spite and pettiness. Green is her favorite color and Wickstead was her choice for her last outfit as a senior royal.

      • Becks1 says:

        @Hope – I think she was sending a message with the EW dress – “the haters cant keep me down” and I bet we never see her in EW again.

        And I agree with you and @BeachDreams up above. I feel like I’ve been giving the benefit of the doubt a LOT to Sophie and Camilla – “oh the events going to be outside and Camilla is sick,” or “its inappropriate for Sophie to talk to Meghan during the ceremony” etc. And taken individually, all those excuses may add up. But looking at the big picture, it definitely seems like Meghan was odd one out in the family, which is a shame when you consider both Sophie and Camilla do a lot of work for women and girls, and you would think they could easily have joined with Meghan on something. Should have seen the writing on the wall months ago but here we are.

  22. L84Tea says:

    What’s really gross is that on Twitter, I saw so many people actually applauding the Cambridge’s and Sophie for icing them out, like it was a good thing. However, I also saw a lot of people upset and disappointed in their behavior. I even saw a few say, “I thought Kate was better than that.”

    • HK9 says:

      Kate is not smart enough to “keep up appearances” and I think most people thought she was better than that and it will haunt her for the rest of her days-as it should.

      • L84Tea says:

        The public definitely took note. That is a move she will regret.

      • Jen says:

        Maybe she’s modeling herself after the Queen since she is the Future Queen (as we’re reminded constantly) so she thinks pettiness is the answer to everything.

      • Digital Unicorn says:

        The public def noted her rudeness and the fact that the tabloids made a point of writing about the Cambridge frostiness is very telling. All eyes were on them because it was the last official engagement from the Sussex’s as part of the RF and the Cambridges showed their ass to the world – the pretty much told everyone that ‘yeah we worked behind the scenes to get rid of these 2′.

        Karma will come for them.

      • Vava says:

        Yes, Cain and Unable will live to regret their actions. I’m convinced of it.

      • Lara K says:

        Except she is incapable of regretting anything – she has a palace full of courtiers to spin things her way. In her mind, she is superior and always will be.

        I do hope this will encourage the public to get rid of the RF. Or at least cut them down to size.

      • Kelly says:

        @ Digital, karma is energy that flows, both good and bad. so I do believe that karma will come in a form of negative energy to their children. They won’t know how badly they behaved until they see it in their children. Obviously history does repeat, so they will see it when their children are older and cruel and assholes to each other. that’s my two cents.

    • S808 says:

      I know they were praising them cause the Sussexes but they’re gonna be the future King and Queen doing diplomatic trips they should be able to interact with people they don’t like and keep it cute for a couple of hours. I can’t see the Queen being happy with this behavior. Or maybe she is or doesn’t care cause again Sussexes.

      • L84Tea says:

        Exactly…where was the “so regal!!” Kate that people love to gush about? Talk about a missed opportunity for good PR for them too. Add it to the list of the 5,873 other times they’ve stupidly shot themselves in the foot. Had they faked some smiles and handshakes, the press would have applauded them to the ends of the earth. But nope, they can’t hide that petty.

        These are seriously some of the dumbest people I have ever seen. I’m glad they showed their asses to the world.

      • (TheOG) jan90067 says:

        Let’s not forget, too… this is the Queen, who just put out she won’t be *photographed* with that Sultan who was found guilty of abusing his ex and daughters (incl. kidnapping his daughters once they escaped from him, and is now keeping them under lock and key in his palace), but that THE ROYAL FAMILY WILL CONTIUE TO *SOCIALIZE* WITH HIM. THIS is the BRF. Full stop. Her support of Pedo isn’t at all surprising, even if he wasn’t her “favorite”.

      • Well after all TheOG — that sultan supposedly keeps the entire British horse racing system from going under according to an article I read. He and the Queen are tight and he has gifted her several horses worth around $300,000 each. So, he can keep on mistreating his family as long as the Queen’s beloved horse ventures continue.

    • Candikat says:

      It was strange, yesterday morning the Mail Online had a headline that read (paraphrasing) “William, Don’t Treat Your Brother Like That!” above the video of them taking their seats. And then 45 seconds later when I tried to repeat the video, both the headline and the video were gone. Hmmm…

      • Exactly Candikat —- Just like that revised Order of Procession photo they had up right before the ceremony began that showed both the Cambridge’s AND the Wales also coming in and being seated. Someone posted after me that the Wales were part of Procession, so I went back to DM to confirm that I hadn’t misread it and the entire article had changed and the photo had disappeared. The DM is such a worthless piece of 24/7 lies. I’ve never seen an established media presence do that: change headlines, photos, rewrite or disappear articles within 30 minutes of posting them WITHOUT acknowledging under reporters name that the article was amended or corrected at specie date/time. They truly need to be driven out of business or be forced to change their logo to The Daily Fiction.

  23. PrincessK says:

    I was at Westminster Abbey and l waited three hours to watch them arrive and leave. The interesting thing was that the Queen, Charles and the Cambridge’s left very quickly in succession. (On arrival and departure Kate made a big show of waving very vigorously at the crowd outside).

    But what was very interesting was that there was a very long gap before we saw Harry and Meghan emerge from the Church. I am sure that this was because everyone wanted to chat with them and wish them well. I saw a clip of the singer Alexandra Burke inside the Church talking at length to Meghan in the most emphatic way as though she was using the opportunity to give Meghan a very clear message of support. Burke is a black woman who has been treated abominably by the British press who manipulated public opinion against her by adopting double standards.

    Check out Twitter, lots of chat about what happened between Alexandra and Meghan.
    .

    • Becks1 says:

      I LOVE that you get all the inside tea about events like this!!! I saw a video of Meghan hugging Alexandra, so it seems they did have a good talk. I got the vibe that many of the people there were supporting H&M and I bet that bugged William a great deal (I don’t think they were saying “William you suck” but sometimes you can convey a message without saying anything….)

      • Thanks PrincessK. Love the behind-the-scenes stuff. I also understand there was loud applause upon their arrival. What I don’t get is the Queen banging on and on about how they’re still part of family and Charles leaking that he had spent tons of time with Harry and yet ………..there is not one single photo of any of the family with either of the Sussexes other than what we have of yesterday’s official appearance. If they are still family why wouldn’t they make any effort to take at least one photo of togetherness and send that message out to the world? Oh…what am I thinking….none of them have bothered for the last 2 years! All I can say is my admiration for the Sussexes grows every time I see them do the right thing for a family that doesn’t do anything but hurt them. Not just hurt them, but hurt them on a worldwide stage. Team Sussex!

      • Lady D says:

        JA, there is a link at comment #6. You can watch M&H walk into the church and hear the cheers. It’s worth a minute or two to peruse the comments on that link.

    • Abby says:

      I love this little bit of gossip. Thank you for sharing!

    • Vava says:

      That’s great, PrincessK, that you were able to be there and give us the inside scoop!!

    • Gingerbee says:

      PrincessK, thanks for the updates. The Lamebridges are showing their true colors. What classless boors they are. I am sure that the Commonwealth contingent noticed the sourpusses‘ behavior.

    • Amy Too says:

      I watched the whole ceremony on YouTube and when everyone was walking out, each member of the family stopped to chat with the performers. You could tell that the performers were mostly saying “thank you very much” when talking to Will and Kate and others, so I can assume that those family members were just congratulating them on a nice performance. But when Harry, and especially Megan, were chatting with people, there was obvious emotion, connection, sympathizing, and closeness. I think a lot of those POC performers were sharing their support with Meghan and probably sharing their stories as well. I think her very publicly racist treatment by the RF and the press has been noted and will be remembered forever by these people who find her to be inspiring and strong and who will continue to support her and feel connected to her no matter where she goes or what she does.

  24. Chrissyms says:

    Kate seems like the type to be bothered that Archie was not along for the trip.

    • Sally says:

      Kate had many months to see this baby. A little too late now to do the right thing. Her loss. Baby Archie has more than plenty of folks to love him!!! Team Harry and Meghan, all the way. Billy boy and waity Katie must know by now that they are NOT the most loved royals……..funny how KARMA has a way to kick you in the butt. Laughing…………………..

    • MJM says:

      If you think Kate cares one iota for Archie I have a bridge to sell you.

    • Hope says:

      As a reason for why she was so snotty? The Kate you describe sounds like an entitled mess.

  25. 10KTurtle says:

    I would have thought the Keens might have played nicer knowing how hyper-scrutinized everybody’s body language would be at this event, but [shrug]. Glow on, Meghan.

    • I’m sure they couldn’t be bothered, 10KTurtle. After all, they see the Sussexes leaving as a WIN. I hope the karma bus wipes those smug expressions off their faces when it comes for them.

  26. HK9 says:

    While I’ve never noticed Edward much, the fact that it will be documented that he’s a civil human being gives him five stars in my book. Well done Edward, well done.

    • Becks1 says:

      I said on twitter yesterday that Edward reminds me of my uncle (my dad’s sister’s husband) – my dad’s sister hates my mom and when we used to get together, my uncle would go out of his way to talk to my mom and be nice to her so that she didn’t feel isolated or so my aunt didn’t get a chance to be catty (we don’t see them anymore, surprise surprise.) but my uncle would always sit near my mom, tell her stories and jokes, ask her questions, etc. It was odd to me at the time bc I had always thought he was kind of obnoxious, but apparently he was obnoxious with a kind heart, lol. Anyway, Edward reminded me of that yesterday – engaging Meghan and Harry so they didn’t just sit there looking isolated and alone. It was a nice gesture on his part.

    • L84Tea says:

      He was the only decent person there!

    • carmen says:

      Ironically, I’ve confused him for William on multiple occasions when not looking too closely!!!

    • I’ve never liked Edward. Growing up his rudeness and condensation to staff and everyone was reported as second to only Andrew’s. When he had his production company and pulled all those stunts with it, people who worked around him said he was a rude, unpleasant twat. However, he gets big points from me for his behavior yesterday. Maybe he’s grown into a better person. Maybe he genuinely loves Harry and likes Meghan. He’s the only family member we’ve seen behave so warmly to either of them in public since the wedding. So, good on him. However, I’m also betting that Sophie read him the riot act once they got home though.

  27. GuestWho says:

    ” while William and Kate look like they’re on a blind date with each other.” Perfect description.

    Clearly, it’s a blind date where they are both waiting for their friends’ “emergency calls” so they can escape. Just thinking about their relationship makes me super anxious – what must it be like to live inside that kind of marriage? – oh, wait, I was in a marriage like that, and i was smart enough to leave! Good luck with the next 50 years kids!!

    • Glad you got out GuestWho. I’m angry enough at Kate’s nastyness yesterday and what I believe has been their relentless, scorched earth war against Harry and Meghan that I hope the Cambridge marriage is a long unhappy one.

  28. Nina Simone says:

    Very disgustingly petty and rude of the RF! Even Sophie? Wow…the irony is that they are supposed to be the “harbinger” of étiquette. What a joke. I continue to applaud H&M for getting the hell out. God bless them. I’m honestly inspired

  29. Becklu says:

    I’m shocked because Kate usually does what she is suppose to do in these events. But from what I saw it looked like she was quite rude.

    Also I hate both women’s dresses. Kate’s is boring and old fashioned. Meghan’s was terribly fitted, and looked cheap. Although the jewel tones look fabulous on her. Just hates both dresses

    • SomeChick says:

      Any fit issues with Meghan’s dress are down to the designer.

      That would be Emilia Wickstead. (Kate’s fave.) I’m sure it wasn’t on purpose! But as a garment designer myself, anything custom/bespoke is to be fitted to the person who will wear it. Emilia (or her studio) should be professional about this.

      The color is gorgeous. The design is beautiful. The fit… is laid at the feet of the designer. Emilia Wickstead.

      Fortunately, Meghan shouldn’t have to bother with her designs going forward. AND! She looked amazing anyhow!

      • Enny says:

        I have this funny tinfoil-tiara theory. It’s probably not remotely true, but it makes me chuckle anyway. What if Kate contacted Emilia Wickstead for a green dress for the Ireland trip? And EW sourced the material and made the bespoke dress and then Kate (because she’s a rube when it comes to fashion) decided, eh, no, that green is not quite garish enough, and WHERE ARE THE EFFING BUTTONS?!?! Maybe next time, Emilia. Leaving EW salty AF with a dramatic, bespoke green dress just as Meghan starts putting out feelers for a few glam pieces for her You Coulda Had a Bad Bitch Tour. EW is a petty, petty bitch, as we know from H&M’s wedding. She re-tailors the dress (not well, obviously) for Meghan’s proportions. And Meghan shows up to the service in Kate’s dress to massive applause, looking like the cat that got the cream. THAT is my dream scenario for how it went down just as they were about to enter the abbey – after W&K we’re already demoted for reasons unknown.

        A girl can dream, anyway 😉

  30. Capepopsie says:

    @HK9 I agree! This IS going to haunt them and it can’t be fixed later on.

  31. Digital Unicorn says:

    Sh!t clearly went down in the hours leading up to the service – I think that the Cambridges were salty because they were not in the procession with TQ, Kate in particular looked mega p!ssed to see H&M. I don’t believe for one sec that they Cams volunteered not to walk in the procession as an olive branch which by the way has WilliLeaks written all over it. I also don’t buy that the Sussex’s were upset at being left out – they weren’t even on the programme. For TQ to change her mind at the last moment means something serious came out – something about the Cambridges that p1ssed TQ off to pull them out of the procession as punishment.

    There is no way the Cambridges would not take the opportunity to lord it over the Sussex’s one last time. To me I think Harry finally got through to his grandmother on the Cambridge’s behaviour.

    The Sussex’s had the last laugh as they were in the prime spot behind TQ and Chuck!

    • Becks1 says:

      These are my thoughts. There’s no way it was voluntary on the Cambridges’s part. Something happened that pissed off the Queen enough to pull them out of the procession, regardless of how bad it looked .

    • StartupSpouse says:

      Maybe discovery has started in the lawsuits and the media turned over some evidence that implicates Mr. and Mrs. Willileaks!

      • Scollins says:

        I’ve been waiting for that! Let’s hear it all!

      • Royalwatcher says:

        I think that came out in discovery ages ago and that’s what was the final straw for Harry – proof that Will was behind the smearing.

      • Digital Unicorn says:

        A couple of journo’s have gone on record saying that something big went down but they can’t talk about it due to legal reasons which pretty much tells me its related to the lawsuit the Sussex’s have against the UK tabloids – a lawsuit that put the cat amongst the pigeons within the RF. A lawsuit the William allegedly was pressuring Harry to drop.

        The Sussex’s have receipts that the Cambridges were and still are leaking to the press – maybe the Cambridge’s being pulled from the procession last min was punishment for leaking all the Sussexit info to the press before it was ready.

        This is not over and it’s only going to get nastier, esp when the lawsuit actually gets to court. The Cambridges and the Middleton’s have a LOT to be worried about.

    • Marie says:

      I agree. They were never on the program to begin with. Not walking the procession doesn’t seem like something that would make them “so upset”. I think the 4 hour lunch Harry had with the Queen and the church service might have convinced her that the Cambridge’s are nasty leakers. Hopefully

    • Sunday says:

      I don’t think Harry ever cared or wanted to be in the order of procession (hence being left out of the program), but I think that he absolutely refused to make Meghan curtsey to W&K if they were in the order of procession and made that known to TQ, who figured that taking W&K out would mitigate any awkward interactions. Obviously that failed but it seems clear that the Sussexes were always meant to be left out of the procession due to the program (probably at their behest – if they wanted in they would’ve been included, otherwise what was the point of them even going), but that the Cambridges were removed at the last minute. That could also be another reason for the cold shoulder from W&K, they were pissed their “due reverence” was taken away.

      • Emmitt says:

        Meghan wouldn’t have to curtsy to William and Kate now…she is of the equal status as Kate. Only when William and Kate’s status change would she need to curtsy to them and she would have had to do that if she stayed a senior working royal, too.

      • Candikat says:

        Would Meghan have had to curtsey to Kate, though? Has she been doing that all along? I thought they were equals if their husbands are present. (Until 3/31, anyway)

    • Are you saying Digital Unicorn that the Cambridge’s might have gotten a taste of the karma bus when they had to ‘take a seat’? 😂 Hope it’s true! I do agree with you that something nasty went down in the 24 hours leading up to the event.

  32. MJM says:

    Kate is a mean girl. Here is the definitive proof.

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      Kate has always been a mean girl, always.

      • Solace says:

        She is. She tried to mean girl Letizia once lol. Most importantly, she’s a prime example of a woman loosing her soul and dignity to a man and internalising the misogyny. If she had any self awareness, she’d direct all that energy at being her own person.

        I just can’t with Keen. Ugh.

      • Eugh says:

        @Solace she meangirled a QUEEN?!!?

      • L84Tea says:

        @Eugh, a couple years back when the Spanish royals came for a state dinner, Kate was very icy and did not appear at all friendly towards Letizia. In fact, she seemed to stay away from her completely. I think Kate gets mega threatened when other fab women are around. Letizia is known for for her beauty and style and of course she brought it to Britain in the form of a stunning red gown. Kate clearly likes to be the biggest hen in the hen house and almost comes off as sulky when another hen is around with nicer feathers. It’s a very immature attitude that she has demonstrated many times and it reeks of low self-esteem. I just know that Meghan’s glorious press coverage this past weekend was a punch in the gut to Kate. I think everybody was expecting–or maybe some were hoping–for boo’s and sneering, but instead Meghan brought her A game so hard that even the BM was in awe. I think Kate’s ego took a massive, massive hit this past weekend, and she showed it at the church.

        **Edited to add: I just looked up photos from that state dinner with the Spanish royals, and wouldn’t you know who was walking directly behind Kate in the processional line but Rose Hanbury!

    • StartupSpouse says:

      Trigger warning: I am going to say something really b–tchy comparing the two:

      Kate’s mean-girlness shows on her face. She looks decades older than Meghan. I know its smoking, sun exposure, etc. But I think toxicity on the inside shows on the outside. And I’d like to present this as Exhibit A in support of my theory!

      • Vava says:

        Yes, I agree with you on Kate. I once had the unfortunate experience of having to work with a woman just like her and it was incredibly toxic. Luckily those days are gone.

      • GuestWho says:

        It’s long been said that, in your 40s, you end up with the face you deserve. Here’s proof.

      • Jennyfromthehub says:

        I couldn’t agree more with your comment. I have experienced first hand the type of behavior shown by Kate. Mean girly force smile, I feel for Meghan living among wolves

      • Jaded says:

        Her face looked like thunder all through the service. I think QE had a few tart words for them after her meeting with Harry and Meghan and felt she needed to slap the Cambridges down a few pegs. The bigger they are the harder they fall.

    • Tiffany says:

      Always was. I don’t know why so many people think that she keeps the peace or does not think for herself. There is a reason she and Willileaks have lasted this long together. They both have something in common in that they are both petty, green eyed a- holes.

  33. KellyRyan says:

    The body never lies. And here they are the couple who have made every effort to connect to a bio family rejected again by toxic narcissists, William the Terrible and Vacuous Kate.

  34. MariaS says:

    That was shockingly rude of Kate and her supporters are cackling and applauding her for it on Twitter. Kudos to the Sussexes for peacing out of that absolute shit show of a family and institution.

  35. Lyn says:

    I’m honestly shocked that William, Kate and Sophie couldn’t even fake it for a few hours. Though William may have said hello but not sure and that’s it.

    Kate is a mean girl. Always gave her the benefit of the doubt but no longer. All those rumours of her mean girl behaviour to the York girls are probably true. Has a nice surface but terrible underneath. She and her mother clearly use the tabloids and mags like Tatler as a means to attack her competition. Her friebss at Tatler have been particularly vicious.

    Disappointed in Sophie. Her rudeness was even more obvious because it was in stark contrast to her husband. She never even acknowledged them with even a perfunctory nod or hello. She’s definitely chosen her side. Maybe she sees where the power lies and going with it, and the Cambridges are mean when crossed or overshadowed.

    Edward is a blood so like the rest of them can do what he wants and talk to whomever. All the married ins have to toe the line.

    • Anners says:

      That’s kind of along the lines with what I was thinking. Maybe the RF (QE, Charles, Edward) don’t have a problem with Meghan (they were raised to believe they matter more than anyone else so who cares – everyone else is a plebe), but the marry-ins had to ‘pay their dues’ to belong and they’re hella jealous that this bi-racial, divorced American actress waltzes in and makes the rest of them look lazy and tawdry. It must really annoy them. I mean Meghan did more (of worth) in her first year than Kate, Sophie, and Camilla combined in all their years of marriage. So Meghan became the common enemy and they worked together to take her down. Dunno. Just know that that family is horrific and I’m glad H&M are free.

    • I have to say Lyn that I’m beginning to think I may have to rethink my opinion of how the York sisters behaved when Kate entered the family. Did they mean girl her or did Kate mean girl them? Nah, I think they mean girled her and Kate has had the last 9 years to learn the same ugly behavior. Now, I think she’s the master to their grasshoppers. Most of this family seems to constantly exhibit mean girl behavior to each other. What a toxic mess.

      • Emmitt says:

        We haven’t heard of Beatrice or Eugenie mean-girling anyone else other than Kate. We haven’t even heard of them mean-girling Meghan; the mean girls in the York situation toward Meghan are the parents. I’m inclined to think any mean-girling on Beatrice and Eugenie’s part is Kate-specific.

      • Candikat says:

        I tend to agree. No idea if Kate was always a mean girl (maybe she was) but I don’t see how a woman could survive in that family without becoming one.

      • Nic919 says:

        Kate and Pippa were mean girls to Beatrice and Eugenie at a fashion show. And then there was Kate’s stunt on Beatrice at the roller derby charity event she did. Kate has never been the nice girl. She’s always been “that” girl, the one who will cut you if you get near her man.

      • bluemoonhorse says:

        @Nic919 while I agree on Kate, apparently her scissors must have been dull as the Rose Bush doesn’t seem trimmed.

  36. TheOriginalMia says:

    Once again, the Cambridges have screwed up. All they had to do was fake it until Harry & Meghan were gone and they couldn’t do it. I definitely think something went down that forced QE to punish the Cambridges by not allowing them to walk with her. Whoo boy! This is your future, W&K! This is what you wanted. Enjoy!

    Meghan continues to be too good for this family.

  37. BUBS says:

    Harry was definitely over the BS…Meghan -bless her heart- was still trying to be nice. The burden is usually on the black woman to “be the bigger person “ isn’t it? I’m just glad they’re out…and they went out with a bang! Now to the next chapter.

    • Anonymous says:

      I disagree. That’s black women at our shadiest. My late grandmother would have done the same. Smiled in the face of her enemies while inwardly laughing she had eclipsed them all. Granny would have also sweetly told Kate that entire ensemble was outdated.

      All the other seated royals gave in to tabloid blackmail, Sophie included. If they danced to the tabloid’s tune, surely the biracial one would and should. They thought wrong.

      • Agree Annonymous. No matter what they threw or continue to throw at Meghan….still she rises! What a role model she is for all young women. I’m so glad they have Meghan as a very public example of how to be your best self.

      • Becks1 says:

        And by smiling and looking gracious and classy, Meghan made them look all the pettier and nastier, so she won all around.

      • Erinn says:

        I like your granny – she sounds like a force to be reckoned with.

  38. Awkward symphony says:

    Not suprised to see Dolittle dressed in all red after Meghan’s outfit at the military festival🙄
    & the cambitches were swooning over their nonexistent “romance”🤦‍♀️This bitter jealous couple couldn’t even play it up for the cameras and now the whole world sees them first what they really are!
    I’m looking forward to vice’s documentary to see if it highlights the BULLYING from inside the firm which forces H&M to leave

    • (TheOG) jan90067 says:

      Found it: Meghan Markle: Escaping The Crown’

      Meghan Markle’s struggles will be spotlighted as the first subject of a new documentary series from Vice TV. Vice Versa: Meghan Markle Escaping The Crown will premiere Tuesday, March 10 at 9 PM ET/PT. (This is in the US).

  39. ReneeM says:

    Please share what website you read this on. I find the conduct of the media abominable.

  40. yinyang says:

    Cold. This is who Britain wants as leader of their country. Suddenly Kate’s buffoon expressions are nowhere to be found and petty William is a saying pick a side. Canada it’s time to separate from the commonwealth this is not the behaviour you promote in your leaders. Good on Harry and Meghan for acting like adults in this, don’t worry you’ve got the support of the west. Anyone that wanted to paint Kate as a victim, this does not reflect that at all.

    BTW Kate dressed better than Meghan’s drama suit here lol, but why not she’s got the best hair make up, jewerly, fillers, clothes and stylist team money could buy. Dig deep Britian, your childrens’ future’s might look bleak, but dig deep.

  41. Harper says:

    Willileaks, CopyKate and Ma Middleton all knew that their interactions with the Sussexes would be scrutinized yesterday. King Harry and Queen Megs BOTH smiled at the Lamebridges as they approached; Wills at least nodded at Queen Megs but CopyKate snubbed them both as if they were Rose Hanbury.

    I can just imagine King Harry whispering to Queen Meghan: “Did CopyKate acknowledge you at all?” And Queen Megs saying, “Nope.” Hence the seething, murderous vibe King Harry is giving off in the rest of the photos.

    If CopyKate has ANYTHING at all to do with the leaks to the press and King Harry and Queen Meghan have the receipts then CopyKate probably just dug her grave even deeper yesterday. King Harry has nothing to lose at this point and CopyKate should be very worried.

  42. Angel says:

    The body language in some of those photos shows that both Harry and William seem mad, Kate seems tense, and even Meghan seems a bit tense.

    Was there something over where the photographer was? I ask because Meghan is looking at the camera in almost all of these photos, while everyone else isn’t.

    • MsIam says:

      They are all looking at something in that direction at some point. And remember, pictures are often taken in quick succession so while it may seem like Meghan is the only one looking at the camera, it may have been a brief glance, not a stare.

    • yinyang says:

      I think Meghan is not used to the cameras as much as William and Harry who grew up with it and Kate who;s been on it for more than ten years everytime she leaves home. Also I would be antsy too knowing everything I do would be spun into a negative light by the country I’m in.

  43. Florence says:

    Whoa Kate’s neck. Are we sure she’s not secretly in her forties?

  44. Original Jenns says:

    These clips made me think Edward is adorable. He was SO HAPPY to be there. He was super smiley and chatty with everyone. Like EXCITED!

    Not surprised at everyone’s reactions, true colors showing through.

    • asdfa says:

      The Essexes are frankly the best of a bad bunch (excluding Harry, and I’ve always kind of dug Anne).

    • Mimi says:

      Hah! Love this comment. I agree too.

      Remember when Edward had a private film or documentary company he was trying to get off the ground? William was in University and Edward had his company on the grounds due to the history of the school. But William and Charles pitched a fit and hung Edward out as trying to profit off being related to William AND trying to film William.

      I think Edward has always been treated poorly by his family, much like Harry. Hands tied to earn his own living yet when he tries, they accuse him of nefarious acts which weren’t true.

      • (TheOG) jan90067 says:

        To be fair, there was an agreement in place to leave W&H alone while in school, no photographs, no paps, no anything, except at arranged events. And along comes Uncle Eddie, WITH a film crew, to nab his nephew when others can’t. He did surprise Willileaks with this, and W was understandably upset at being ambushed by his uncle of all people.

      • oddsnends says:

        I’ve read that that’s not exactly true. William had allowed all the press to interview/film him one day when he was at university. Edward either went a day early or stayed a day later to film the area — not any extra shots of William or his friends. I’ve seen an interview with Edward’s cameraman. The other reporters cried about it and said it wasn’t fair and claimed that Edward was filming William on the sly. Edward had to close his company in response and when he asked William to speak up for him, William declined.

        I’ve seen some of the films Edward’s done. They’re not bad. Not great, but not bad. He specialized in royal history and got a lot of great interior shots and interviews / quotes from Windsor librarians, etc.

  45. Seeker542 says:

    If you look very closely at the video of Harry & Meghan talking to Edward, you can see Meghan tap Harry on the shoulder to lean in and then she makes a few reactive facial expressions as if Edward told them some hot gossip. It very well could have been along the lines of “the kids did this crazy thing today” but we also see Kate and William ahead of them acting icy. Have any of the body language experts analyzed this footage yet?

  46. asdfa says:

    god Meghan looks AMAZING

  47. Lizzie says:

    I said in a post yesterday that Will should have reached out, shook hands and wished Harry all the best. He does not have the makings of a king or ambassador for the BRF. I agree that Kate should have also but she is not Harry’s brother nor future monarch. Diana raised Will better.

    My prediction, Harry and Meghan will go on to make a fabulous fortune then guess what. The rules will suddenly change to allow Will and Kate to make their own money.

    • GuestWho says:

      Even if the rules change, Cain and Unable will not be able to pull off what H&M are about to embark on – takes too much willingness to work hard AND charisma. They just don’t have “it.”

      • (TheOG) jan90067 says:

        As I said above, W&K will have no need for any other income, even if the monarchy is abolished. The Queen has a FORTUNE (about £500M in her *PRIVATE* fortune: personal Jewelery, original artwork by the Masters, real estate, horses…). They (through inheritance, esp in the direct line) will be FINE, no matter what.

      • Lizzie says:

        The jealous and petty gene does not care about what they have, they care that someone else doesn’t have as much. Will won’t inherit all for decades, he will once again be incandescent with rage when his little brother eclipses him.

        Harry and Meghan will be superstars, Cain and Unable will just seethe.

  48. mar says:

    Maybe thy were all somewhere together before this? maybe they already acknowledged each other at some point before the f*ckery happened? If not, that was SOOO RUDE!!!!!

    • Are you kidding? Every single person in that family, at that venue, and all of us watching (media and public) knew this was the money shot. That their behavior, expressions, body language and dialog would be scrutinized and analyzized frame-by-frame. The Cambridge’s knew exactly what they were doing and wanted to send a clear message that put paid to any private or public support of the Sussexes. They must feel extremely supported and protected to pull that shit yesterday….but the. What are the Queen and Charles going to do?…..after all, they can’t fire their asses. Sophie was just as bad.

      • February Pisces says:

        Yep, like I already said somewhere in this comments section, the Cambridge’s are getting too damn cocky for their own good, and they really believe they are untouchable, and can do what the hell they like because the press are never gonna call them out on it.

  49. paddingtonjr says:

    When my parents divorced, they stayed cordial, at least in public, because they realized there would always be births, weddings, graduations, etc. that they would both need to attend. This goes double (at least!) for the BRF: extended family is always at weddings, funerals, Trooping, etc. and, with PedoAndy and the recent demise of two long-term marriages, those events are already awkward. Even if H&M don’t attend Bea’s wedding and/or Trooping this year, they will most likely attend some public BRF event at some point in their lives and Archie will be seen again at some point. So what does it hurt to at least smile and say “hi” now in front of the cameras and then go back to snubbing AFTER the public event? And a note to FFK/FFQ the Doolittles: how sheltered have you been not to realize that most of your public life will be meeting people/doing things you don’t care for and having to smile and be civil through it. Practicing with your family might be a good place to start.

    But Sophie is a surprise disappointment. She and Edward have always struck me as the harmless “utility” players of the BRF, reliable and staying out of the family quarrels. How hard would it have been for Sophie to smile at the Sussexes and then go back to her program? She didn’t need to lean over Edward or be overly talkative; she could have nodded or smiled at them for an instant. By snubbing them and then talking with Kate, she made her loyalties clear. I do think Edward was being nice to the Sussexes and make sure they didn’t feel left out or sidelined.

    • yinyang says:

      She didn’t want to deal with Kate’s passive aggressive wrath.

      • Mary says:

        Nope, sorry @yinyang but I do not give Sophie a pass on this one. She is an adult and way too savvy to quake at the thought of Kate’s wrath. She was in a very public forum and knew that the group’s interaction would be scrutinized. She blanked the Sussexes on purpose.

  50. Marie says:

    Harry and Meghan are already back in Canada. Some British press were saying Harry was staying the week but they both high tailed it out of the UK. Thank God.

  51. HK9 says:

    Just a little petty aside, Katie Keen’s face really does look like thunder in those pics. Lol.

  52. Lizzie says:

    I forgot to mention Petty Betty – she specifically asked them back to attend and then at the last minute kicked them out of the procession? And of course they are called emotional about it.

    Whoever is making the calls (Betty, Chuck or courtiers) is totally inept. What horrible optics let alone an awful way to treat a ‘treasured part of the family’. They will become global superstars and TQ will ask them to attend something and they will be like ‘remember that time…’.

  53. Beach Dreams says:

    Well if nothing else, Will and Kate have certainly shown they’re the King of Queen of Trashiness.

  54. Andrew’s Nemesis says:

    Kate and William are the epitome of dull and cold; Kate also has a level of hopeless, middle class mediocrity that she will never be able to overcome. Her behaviour is indicative of her small-minded upbringing, Penis-with-Teeth the belief that he is too grand to conform to social norms. I hope they have both been roundly trounced by Ol’ Brenda (can she get rid of that hideous, abusive son of hers next, I wonder? He has nothing to offer anyone, after all). I wonder just how much Carole Middleton is involved in leaking to the Press. When the lawsuit goes ahead, and House Middleton falls like a house of cards, I also wonder how long the FFQ and FFK’s marriage will last

  55. Bea says:

    The differences in how each couple interact in public is always so telling! As Harry is talking in the one clip, he leans towards Meghan and puts his arm around her chair near her back. While Will and Kate always come off as very stiff and almost cold.

  56. Le4Frimaire says:

    I find William and Kate utterly loathsome. Like viscerally dislike them. Before they were just , meh, they’re just basic and boring, but now. A truly awful couple.

  57. Leah says:

    That was the most boorish behaviour on the part of Kate and William. And Meghan and Harry looks stricken and very, very hurt. What a couple of see you next Tuesday’s the Cambridges are.

    • What about that one photo right after Cambridge’s blew her off where Meghan is facing forward with a slight smile trying to stay calm and carry on and Harry’s looking at Meghan’s profile. All I can see is Harry in pain as he sees her holding herself together and whipping himself internally that he has brought his woman back into this toxic mess. At least that’s what I see when I look at that shot.

  58. February Pisces says:

    I think that the keenbridges have become so cocky publically they know they don’t even need to look cordial in public towards the Sussex’s because they know the press will twist whatever actually happens in their favour. They don’t even need to try or make an effort, because they can just get the RRs on their payrol to write whatever they want. It’s the same last week when Kate was talking about climate change whilst practically sat on a private jet, becuase they know the press won’t call them ‘hypocrites’ like they did harry and Meghan. Even when Kate wore the white one shoulder dress a few weeks after Meghan was called ‘vulgar’ and ‘breaking protocol’ for wearing a one shoulder dress, she probably wore it just to rub it in that she can get away with anything.

    • Sunshine says:

      @February Pisces the problem with the Cambridge’s assessment is that the world is watching, not just the U.K. media.

      • February Pisces says:

        I think that’s their problem, they seem to have an ‘over-confidence’ in the power they have over the British press, they don’t seem to realise how bad they actually look. William has never actually changed tactics in his smear campaign because he seems to think it’s ‘working’.

  59. RoyalBlue says:

    That was straight up bad manners by Cain and Unable. How does he expect to be king some day? The one who holds that title is supposed to be the ultimate diplomat, fair and loved by his adoring public. This is insane that Willieleaks thinks it’s fine to show his petulance to the public. That man has lost his damn mind.

  60. Finn says:

    I know it is super random but what really struck me in those pictures is what bad posture Kate has most of the time…

  61. anon says:

    I love the Duchess of Sussex and her choice of color and style are amazing.

    However, I just wish she would get better fittings for her clothes. She always looks amazing which makes up for bad tailoring. But her clothes always bunch up under the sleeves and in the waist and need a better fit. Or a bias cut, or stretch fabric. Not sure, but tailoring is key.

    I mean, if you’re gonna go for it, Megs – go allllll the way.

    • yinyang says:

      That’s what interested me when Meghan came on board, I saw what they did to Plain Jane Kate and was so excited to see what they could do with someone like Meghan, I had know idea they were going to use her as a stepping stool to prop up Kate. They forced her to wear worse than she wore before she came into the Royal Family, they took all her good work and trashed it, they took her mistakes and emphasized it by a 100X, the way things turned out is really disspointing, she recieved no kind word or guidance from any member of that family. I hope Meghan realizes she was too good for that disgusting family and lives out her days far from that evil institution.

  62. MangoAngel says:

    I’ve never paid much attention to the Earl of Wessex, but just that tiny clip made me a fan of his. He’s like, “Eff my bratty nephew and his lousy attitude, let’s gossip!”

    I hope he’s not a bad egg and I’m liking the wrong sort, but he seemed to genuinely want to chat with them, almost like making a point.

    • RoyalBlue says:

      Or maybe, just maybe the Earl thought this was his one chance to grab headlines. 😈

      Nah I think he thinks it’s all BS and has no beef with them so he is going to be friendly.

  63. Jaded says:

    Something realllllly bad must have happened – perhaps in their meeting with the Queen, Harry and Meghan ratted out the Cambridges about the shady financial stuff and leaking, etc. so she put her foot down and banished them from the procession. Whatever it was it makes Wm and Catty look even worse. I used to feel a bit sorry for Kate because she’s married to a petulant, controlling little prick and is wayyyy out of her depth in the role she’s supposed to be performing, but no more. She’s just as petty, manipulative and vacuous as her awful husband.

    • Andrea says:

      Well said. Could not agree more.

    • bluemoonhorse says:

      Agree. This is punishment by the Queen (maybe with Charles input).

      Could be 1.) they insulted H&M to her and she said, enough of this BS. Toddlers go sit in the corner; 2.) could be the financial shenanigans of Heads Together and their other umbrella non-profit was revealed to her (but why now? maybe they asked Gram to cover the bill of them dipping into the till?); and/or 3.) the Meg lawsuit against the media has given the H&M investigation legal team more reason to know that W&K were behind the leaks and Harry brought the receipts to his meeting with Gram?

      I’m going with #1. I think this was done by Queen and Charles to give W&K a wake up slap. You got what you wanted Will, so now do your ducking job. “No! I won’t!” Okay, go sit in the playpen while I show you my favor can be removed just as quickly as it is given.

    • PrincessK says:

      I think William did not want any pictures of the four of them standing together waiting for Charles and the Queen, and he didn’t want to have to speak to H&M. I am sure that was how the order of service got changed. Harry saw it and blew his top. The Cambridge’s were forced to back out of the procession. Harry won!

    • Le4Frimaire says:

      I don’t think it was anything really bad that suddenly happened , except for nasty behavior of the Cambridge’s. I’m not a Royal watcher but suspect there were certain parts of the press and Cambridge camp who thought this trip would be a walk of shame for the Sussexes. Instead it was exciting, they got such a warm welcome from the public, which wasn’t expected, especially the standing ovation for Harry. I think if the Cambridge’s were in procession with Sussexes seated, that would have been the main story’s d look petty. Instead, everyone’s awkwardness and Will and Kate’s pathetic behavior became the focus of that ceremony. It really took away from the spirit of the event. They’re such sour malcontents. The type who want all the toys, but when they get it, still want more.

  64. Amelie says:

    I’m not surprised that Meghan, who is an actress by training, was able to put up a happy face during this whole event and not look at all perturbed. Most likely she anticipated this anyways and knowing this was her last event as a “senior royal” probably had no effs to give and didn’t care much. Harry looked more tense so if anything she put on a good face to help her husband get through it too. She also put together a killer outfit (sure it bunched a bit and I dunno if it was too big or too small but I don’t really care) going out with a bang.

    As for Kate and William, they have never been good actors and it’s clear something big happened for them to barely acknowledge Harry and Meghan. Probably being taken out of the Order of Procession. My guess is Harry put his foot down and said he and Meghan wouldn’t attend if William and Kate stayed in the Order of Procession and that’s why they were taken out at the last minute. Or something along those lines. Meghan was her warm self smiling and saying hello and William did the bare minimum and Kate acted the way I expected her to. A lot of people say she takes her lead from William and I believe that but when she wore white to Harry and Meghan’s wedding, that’s when I knew something was up. People heavily debated if her outfit was pale yellow or white and someone still needs to explain to me how her coat dress was pale yellow lol. That outfit was white/cream not yellow at all. Even Oprah had the sense to change her dress last minute when she realized it was too white for the wedding. I dunno how great of a person Edward is but kudos to him for interacting with Harry and Meghan. At one point in the video I was laughing at how intently William was staring at his program like it was the most fascinating thing in the world.

    I do hope at some point in the future Harry and William can reconcile but I’m guessing that may never happen which is sad.

    • Eugh says:

      As someone with severe RBF, I’m so impressed by her perfect pleasant smizing resting face also.

    • bluemoonhorse says:

      Some up thread pointed out that when Meghan wore that white dress, with one shoulder bare, got dragged for it, and next think you know Kate wears the same style and earns applause. I have little sympathy for Kate.

      JMO but I think what happened about this event was Queen (perhaps influenced by Charles) showing Will and Kate they aren’t all that. They ticked her off somehow and she punished them like she does anyone by using the power of her office to remove her obvious endorsement.

      Now, the question is why did she punish W&K? And I think it comes back to something that happened within the last 24 hours before the event. W&K showed they weren’t playing nice, and Queen said “fine, you go sit in the playpen while I do my procession.”

      No way did these two bow out of strutting out behind the Queen.

  65. Fleur says:

    I really really can’t stand the perpetual string of buttoned coat dresses. Why does Kate always want to look like she is wearing a coat, even inside, even in the summer?! Why?! I thought I would always be irritated by the heavy eyeliner, but in the end, the coat dress bugs me more

    • Marjiscott says:

      Fleur, my guess is Kate has a self image problem. That might explain why she is always covering up. She doesn’t look as healthy as Meghan in my view.

  66. IntheKnow says:

    Now Kensington palace instagram is filled with pics of Harry and Meghan, mostly Meghan. Nice PR attempt…but the world saw you live being racists jack assess. I hope every single POC in that church paid attention.

    I imagine if these were the days of ‘off with their heads’ Harry and Meghan might be in deal trouble with Willy Wanker & Kween Chicken Lips. I can personally tell you this pain Harry is feeling from Willy’s betrayal will never go away. It gets numbs with time…but it will never fully heal.

    I hope Harry and Meghan go out and continue to build their big happy family. Have lots of kids, do their work and just be happy.

    The story of Willy The Wanker and The Rose Bush will be William and Kate’s undoing. I guess she HAS to try and fall in line with William. I mean, she has given the Heir and 2 spares..what good is she to him now? William is certainly showing all Charles’ traits and following in his foot steps…Kate needs to pay attention rather carefully….William WILL follow in Charles’ footstep down to the last step. Ma Middleton knows this hence her scorch the earth tactic with Meghan and propping up Kate…but that wont save Willy and Waity.

  67. Juniper says:

    Sophie’s behavior doesn’t surprise me at all. I thought I remembered her saying that she thought she’d be “the new Diana.” I googled it and it turns out I was right. She’s an opportunist to say the least.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2001/apr/08/uk.news

    • Yeah Juniper, I remember that too. I also remember that Edward had earlier stated that he had had a crush on Diana for years when she married Charles. Sophie dressed like Diana, cut her hair like Diana, but stated constantly that she was the new improved Diana because she was a successful business woman. I remember loving that she got caught on tape badmouthing the Queen and suggesting that she could give her clients access. The Queen shut her business life down PDQ but Sophie was smart enough for the long game. I also remember her commenting on the rumors going around for years that Edward is bisexual and her response was she didn’t listen to gossip and didn’t care anyway. She’s successfully played the long game.

  68. kyliegirl says:

    I agree that William and Kate did not bow out to make nice. If that was the case then their sour expressions and poor behavior would not have happened. I think a lot of changes were made given the success of the last few days for Harry and Meghan. The response they got from people was amazing, especially the response from the military. The military is one of the royal family’s largest supporters. I think this is why Edward and Sophie were added at the last minute to make it look like it wasn’t only Harry and Meghan not in the procession. It would have looked terrible if Harry and Meghan were the only members of the royal family not included. Especially given the emphasis on diversity and you have the only POC from the royal family sitting around all the empty seats waiting for the “real” royals to arrive. I don’t know what happened to get Will and Kate removed from the procession, but there wasn’t much contact between Charles/Camilla and Will/Kate either so there is not much love going around in this highly dysfunctional family. As usual the royal family handled the optics poorly. What it did show is the the future king/queen have a lot to learn about leadership and diplomacy. Will/Kate are going to have to meet with a lot of people they may not like or agree with in the future. They just showed that they are not ready for the big time.

  69. Ramy says:

    HARRY LOOKS SAD AND LOST IN MOST OF THE PHOTOS I FEEL SORRY FOR HIM AS FOR MEGHAN SHE’S ACTRESS SO YOU CAN’T TELL

  70. Gatorlover says:

    This may be nutty, but there’s something about W in the header pic that reminds me of shots we have seen of the Rose-who-shall-not-be-named!

    • Gatorlover says:

      My bad – It’s the one in the other thread that has a particularly uncanny resemblance to Rose

  71. Scollins says:

    FYI The Vice documentary Meghan Markle Escaping the Crown is on tonight.
    Sorry if it’s already been mentioned.

  72. Jay says:

    So I guess the next question is – what’s next? I see the Cambridge royal account is being praised for showing photos that include the Sussexes, but it still seems like they are getting flak for not being able to at least simulate cordiality.
    Is there time for William to invite his little brother to the pub for a farewell pint that somehow gets caught on camera?
    Release an Instagram photo of Harry playing with his beloved niece/nephews?
    Post a screenshot that proves Harry and Meghan filled out Kate’s 5 question survey? What can they do?
    Or is it more likely we’ll hear *from sources* that Wills was really Keen to reconcile but oh, so sad, his many olive branches were rebuffed by ungrateful Harry.

  73. Feeshalori says:

    I doubt there was any attempted fraternizing over a farewell beer at the nearby pub. I somehow have the feeling Harry slipped the driver an extra hundred dollars to get them to the airport pronto after the abbey service.😬

    • Jay says:

      Haha, yes, I’m just imagining what would seem like a good idea from the Cambridge/ royal family pov to cover their asses. I hope Harry and Meghan are hightailing it back to Canada as we speak!

    • I haven’t seen anything that indicated the Sussexes attended the reception For participants. that followed. There’s an article in HELLO about Camilla having changed into a black velvet dress and attending but I don’t see anything about Sussexes attending. Because Camilla is in a totally different dress I don’t think the reception was at the church. Does anyone know if Sussexes went to the after reception?

  74. GuestOne says:

    I wonder if those who were lamenting Harry& Archie being taken away from his loving family still buy that after this display?

    This piece says that the church awkwardness shows they made the right decision https://www.thestar.com/entertainment/opinion/2020/03/10/harry-and-meghans-frigid-farewell-from-royals-proves-them-right-to-run.html

    • Scollins says:

      GuestOne, Good article! Thanks for sharing.

    • carmen says:

      Thank you for sharing! Treating her like a “dirty panhandler” sums up her experience rather well, I thought.

    • Saw that one too, GuestOne, but every time I try to post a link, my comment disappears or is not allowed through. Thanks for sharing it.

    • yinyang says:

      We need more of these realiable news outlets out there. The Star is a well known Canadian news outlet that is impartial. These British news sites, I wouldn’t trust, many are paid off by the royals under the table. I also think the older British generation refuse online news and videos and just get everything off the newspaper, which is ridiclous cause a bias headline and one shot of the event can be misleading than an actual video footage as is the case here.

  75. Marivic says:

    The British media tried to cover up the rude attitude Kate showed to the Sussexes. They were all mum about it. There was only one British press that covered it but the rest didn’t descend on Kate like vultures (as compared to if it was Meghan who did the snob ). And then there was total silence about Kate’s mean girl behavior. To make up for Kate’s rude behavior and damage control, the Cambridges featured the Sussexes during the Commonwealth in their Instagram and the press picked it up as the Cambridges showing maturity and professionalism. And then compared it again to the Sussexes Instagram that didn’t show any members of the RF and therefore they are narcissists and immature. Not thinking twice why Meghan left this family. Good riddance.

  76. kristi says:

    For the last couple of years, every time I see photos of William I think of Voldemort.
    It’s a tale as old as time: some people dish it out, but then can’t take it when it comes their way.

  77. Well-Wisher says:

    These last engagements let the UK and the rest of us get to see Meghan without the filter of the British tabloid press.

    It was as if Meghan was saying “This is me”. It was delightful. Here is a woman with her full autonomy, beautiful, confident and graceful. Her intelligence and sociability were on full display. The petulant response to her is of no consequence.

    • Feeshalori says:

      Haters will always hate so Harry and Meghan will live their best lives pleasing themselves.

  78. Suz says:

    Just a general thought: I think part of the reason Bill and Cathy froze out Meghan so quickly is because Harry was the buffer for them at KP. His leaving to be with his wife made their awkward marriage even more awkward and instead of facing their problems, they project it onto being angry with Meghan for “taking away” their tension diffuser, Harry.

  79. blunt talker says:

    The British press tab or otherwise, is really out to destroy Harry and Meghan with the help or the royal family members. There will be headlines tomorrow about a conversation between Harry and a Russian fake Greta the environmentalist. They are trying their upmost to hurt this couple. Keep in mind this maybe fake all the way around. Harry has to be diplomatic until March 31. This was being leaked by that Wooten guy. Maybe Edward was giving them a heads up.

  80. IntheKnow says:

    The CAINbridges are a single Rose petal away from a scandalous divorce and this time, no media shut down and claims of human rights violation will stop it.

    Kate and her chicken lips look like she’s aged 15 yrs. I mean, our age is our age if you look that age. But how can a 38 yr old woman look like 50? Smoking and tanning aside..you have to be losing a ton of sleep to look like that. And what does she have to lose sleep about?, Her bills are paid, she has palaces, staff and drivers yet she is losing sleep that has aged her at hyper speed.

    It wasn’t too long ago that the media splashed Kate’s private bits on their front page. I didn’t agree with them doing that. My point is, The Cains feel untouchable by the media. And their take down wont come from the sources they have a deal with. Someone or several someones will sell them out and they wont see it coming.

    Hustle Ma MiddleSham. Hustle.

  81. celes says:

    This is the same family that forced two children to parade behind their precious mother’s coffin without shedding a tear, but god forbid that W&K would put their feelings to one side for a few hours and be professional at a public event.

  82. aquarius64 says:

    The facts that the press minions are deployed to spin the Cambridge bad behavior, slapping pictures of Harry and Meghan on Kensington Royal Twitter account and the Fail taking down the stories that make the Cambridges look bad show KP is fully aware their bosses messed up. The FFK and FFQC failed the leadership test at the Commonwealth service miserably. The Commonwealth is a group of 54 nations, many are majority POC, who witnessed how the POC of the royal family has been treated by the future king and his consort. The Head of the Commonwealth is the British Sovereign and it’s an elected position, not inherited. The nations vote if the next king will be it. Charles is locked to be the next head of the Commonwealth after Liz but William is another matter. The Commonwealth is important to the queen and she sees it as her legacy of sorts. She also wanted the family to pull it together for the service. I wouldn’t be surprised if Liz ripped the Cambridges and Sophie a new one, maybe a little for the Sussexes but definitely for the bad headlines their idiotic behavior generated and won’t be forgotten. The Commonwealth maybe no more when William ascends and rejected as its head. A come to Jesus meeting may have happened at KP is explain the big picture and KP is doing clean up.

  83. jferber says:

    Glamour and radiance are anathema to the English people, who revel in woolens and sensible shoes. Dowdy does them just fine, thank you very much.

  84. Prof Trelawney says:

    just rewatched — William nods his head four times to each of the people seated behind him, inc Meghan and Harry. Not at all warm and v brief but there is an acknowledgement. Kate only acknowledges Sophie, then sits down, looking kind of grim and tense. That’s my morning read…

    • Lizzie says:

      That’s how I see it. Basic bi*ch with a dinner plate n her head. I’m done with her lazy a@@.
      She went to a reception following and greeted everyone. But not her BIL. Poorly raised for sure. Bill and Cathy are both lowest of the low.

      Actually she reminds me of Lori Laughlin’s girls pretending to be crew team- just a big fake fat grin. That is Keen Kate. Too lazy to keep her charities out from going under, just a big CRAZY grin for pics.