Did the Queen and/or Prince William screw over the Sussexes one last time?

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As we discussed yesterday, there was some weirdness when it came to the arrivals and seating at Westminster Abbey for Commonwealth Day. If I’m being 100% honest, I don’t completely understand the change that was made last minute, but I think the final result was that the Duke and Duchess of Sussex were not placed towards the entrance for a formal greeting with the Queen, which is what happened last year. Instead, they were ushered to their seats, with the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge not far behind. The programs for the Commonwealth Day service had already been printed, so this was a significant change. I theorized that Harry and Meghan asked for the change because they didn’t want to pose for photos with William and Kate. But… according to Becky English at the Daily Mail, the choice to change this *thing* came from the Queen’s office. And of course, it’s framed as Harry and Meghan being “emotional,” which is apparently the greatest sin in England.

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s last engagement as senior royals was marred by behind-the-scenes tensions over protocol. It had been agreed that Harry and Meghan’s attendance at yesterday’s Commonwealth Day service at Westminster Abbey with other senior royals would be a fitting farewell. But the Daily Mail understands the couple were upset to learn that they would not be permitted to join the Queen, the Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall and the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge in the main VIP party.

Instead they were told they would have to make their own way to their seats at the front of the abbey before the arrival of other senior royals, alongside the Earl and the Countess of Wessex. Fearing another highly public royal skirmish, William and Kate, it can be revealed, stepped in to defuse the situation at the weekend and offered to join ‘emotional’ Harry and Meghan as they waited in their seats for the Queen, Charles and Camilla to arrive. But not before 2,000 orders of service had been signed off and printed which very clearly – and rather embarrassingly – placed the Cambridges firmly as entering with the main royal party. And it seems that their 11th-hour olive branch did not ease the ill-feeling between the feuding family.

Buckingham Palace last night attempted to put on a brave face, insisting there was ‘no set format for this annual service’ as it ‘depended on how many Members of the Royal Family are in attendance’. The Queen and senior royals are always the last to arrive and take part in a procession down to the front of the Abbey. But the palace notably failed to address the issue of why the Cambridges were originally down in the official Order of Service to accompany the Queen, before changing their minds to take their seats ahead of the Queen’s arrival, alongside the Sussexes.

The decision not to include the Sussexes was made by the Queen’s office directly, led by her private secretary Edward Young. Harry and Meghan were understood to be particularly hurt as although it was to be their last public engagement, they will not formally step down until March 31. Until then Harry still retains the title, given to him by the Queen, of Commonwealth Youth Ambassador – of which he has been stripped along with his other official duties, as part of his royal stand-down.

He and Meghan will also retain strong links with the ‘family of nations’ because they will keep their roles as president and vice-president of the Queen’s Commonwealth Trust. The duchess will also retain her patronage of the Association of Commonwealth Universities which she took on last year.

‘It seems that they were quite sensitive and emotional about it,’ said one royal source. Another insider added: ‘Although they are adamant about wanting to step down, they seem quite preoccupied with what status they will retain and the fact that Harry remains sixth in line to the throne, as they made a point of saying on their new website the other day.’

[From The Daily Mail]

This, to me, reeks of a leak not from Buckingham Palace, but from Kensington Palace. The way this is framed as the Cambridges being diplomatic and saving the day from “emotional, status-obsessed” Harry and Meghan, plus the added dash of William throwing his grandmother under the bus for HER pettiness. Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely believe the Queen is that f–king petty, that she would order Harry and Meghan’s attendance at the Commonwealth service just to treat them like sh-t one last time before they leave. But the Keen-specific spin on this version of events is uh, obvious, and I think there’s probably more to the story.

Britain's Queen Elizabeth II (C), followed by Britain's Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex (L), Britain's Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex (2L), Britain's Prince Charles, Prince of Wales (centre R), Britain's Prince William, Duke of Cambridge, (2R) and Meghan, Duch

Britain's Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex (C) is introduced to performers as he leaves after attending  the annual Commonwealth Service at Westminster Abbey in London on March 09, 2020. - Britain's Queen Elizabeth II has been the Head of the Commonwealth thro

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  1. OH NO says:

    William and Catherine better prepare for that atomic karma bomb…because it’s coming and they’ve earned it.

    • Vava says:

      I hope it comes soon and often! They deserve it.

      • Kristina says:

        I don’t think HM blame Kate. Those 3 were big smiles to each other. It’s William who got/gave the “small wave” and the annoyed looks.

    • fishface says:

      The look on William’s face….he is such a petulant brat with his pursed lips and disapproving expression. Glad for H & M that they’ve escaped that toxic mess.

      • yinyang says:

        Yes I noticed that too, around others William has this simple-minded stupid-man innocent smile, around Harry and Meghan he has this patronizing smug calculated look. Fake.

      • Tessa says:

        He is so sulky he keeps pursing his lips and looking daggers. at his brother and his wife.

    • Plus 1 Oh No —- one can only hope.

    • Kristina says:

      I wanna know where Charles is in all of this- honestly! It’s always either the queen or William. I wanna know where he is in this, because he for sure has opinions and his own pettiness.

      • Lady2Lazy says:

        Kristina, that is a fantastic question, WTf is Charles in all of this? And give me a f___ing that Will saved the day, please. Did anyone NOT see how outlandishly nasty Will was to both Harry and Meghan, even though they both said hello and Meghan waved. And Kate, poor self entitled little miss me-me-me was. She didn’t even acknowledge their presence. Neither William or Kate behaved in an acceptable behaviour. And I do not believe for one minute that Harry was emotional. Mad yes, emotional no f#@king way!

      • Yvette says:

        If the Queen’s Office is calling the shots, what could Charles do? Or did he even know? This was apparently a last minute decision. Charles might have been more surprised than anyone not to find either couple waiting in a procession line. In fact, I believe things would have gone much smoother if the Queen had put this in Charles’ lap and told him to handled it. I don’t believe he would have made the call to exclude Meghan and Harry from the procession line in order to avoid the appearance of rewarding them for leaving the Royal fold.

        My problem with this Daily Mail narrative of what happened–that Harry and Meghan were butt hurt over not being allowed in the procession line–is that neither Harry nor Meghan appeared upset at all prior to William and Kate taking their seats. It is only after the Cambridges’ stilted greeting (well, William’s greeting because I still don’t believe Kate acknowledged the Sussexes at all) that Harry’s demeanor changed.

    • Ronaldinhio says:

      I think Harry and Meghan hit HMQ with information of leaks from KP which will come out in court during trial
      HMQ punished William and Kate – they have tried to spin it otherwise using the Mail not the Sun on this occasion to make it look like they didn’t feed the information

  2. Seraphina says:

    I really don’t know what to say except that this family is so messed up that Harry and Meghan should thank GOD they are no longer having to deal with it on a constant basis. Don’t get me wrong, I know one can never truly walk away from the BRF, but distancing them selves will be their saving grace.

    • Millennial says:

      Yeah, this along with hundreds of other actions, just solidified they made the right choice.

    • Vava says:

      You can tell by their demeanor on this trip that they know they made the correct decision.

    • Gatorlover says:

      I was going to say Harry’s family almost makes the Markles look normal by comparison – but let’s just call it a draw!

      • Guest with Cat says:

        @Gatorllover. ROFLMAO. At this point I think the Markles and the Windsors would get along quite well. We know both sides have petty jealousy down to an art form.

        And William can walk around like he’s got a royal stick up his bum. We know better. The internet is forever and I well recall the photos of his drunken pawing of women most definitely not his wife and the horrible dad dancing. He’d fit well with Meghan’s hard partying brother and nephew. And there’s nothing wrong with that. What’s wrong is William pretending he is any different or any better because he’s more privileged.

  3. Ravensdaughter says:

    Why is it that Charles-1st in line for the throne-stands by and does nothing for his own son?

    • crogirl says:

      Because he is actually behind a lot of this. The feud between his sons suits him.

    • Becks1 says:

      I’m not sure Charles wasn’t involved here – in terms of keeping the Cambridges out of the procession. There’s no way that was their choice so it was either the Queen who decided that on her own or Charles encouraged her to “decide” that.

      • I also refuse to believe that the Cambridge’s were allowed to willingly alter the Order of the Procession. The Queen decides who Processes and who sits and her command was printed up as such. For the Cambridge’s to suddenly be pulled from that Procession indicates to me that —- to quote a line from, Cold Comfort Farm —— somebody ‘saw something nasty in the woodshed’ in the 24 hours before the event and ordered them to take a seat. House Keen may get away with spinning this as their choice — because when has BP or CH ever publicly taken them to task over anything about their behavior towards the Sussexes — but something nasty went down before the service.

      • Nic919 says:

        I think the queen decided to change things up only because Harry and Meghan were with her at church the day before and maybe it came up around that time.
        Not that Charles wouldn’t do it, but I still think this was the queen who decided this and the cambs are spinning to try to look good.

      • Jaded says:

        @JA Lowcountry Lady – totally agree. Something Very Serious went down the day before, and it was likely that the Queen slapped the Cambridges’ wrists after meeting with Harry and Meghan. Who knows, maybe they told her about the financial fiddling Wm attempted or his constant leaking to try to ruin the Sussexes. In any event they’ve shot themselves in the foot once again and just look spiteful and immature.

      • Becks1 says:

        @JA – “but something nasty went down before the service.” – I agree completely. It was probably the Queen, who changed it, but I guess Charles agreed* – but whoever the idea came from – the Queen did it knowing how it would look, considering they were already in the program. This kind of thing doesn’t get changed at the last minute without a good reason.

        *I say that Charles agreed because the order was already printed, so I feel like if Charles felt strongly about the Cambridges, he could have pushed for them to stay in the procession. So either the Queen overruled him completely, which I kind of doubt, or he agreed with her decision. But it was something serious that caused the change.

      • windyriver says:

        I wonder if, after the widespread coverage of Meghan’s very successful school visit on Friday, someone figured out it would look pretty bad to have left them out of the procession. It might have caused more comment to suddenly include them when they weren’t already in the printed program, so the solution was to drop Will and Kate from the procession so their treatment looked equal.

        I also think Meghan showing up in green by itself would have sent Kate through the roof, not because I think Meghan did it on purpose (I don’t), but because it’s so exactly the kind of thing Kate would think of doing (and has done), that’s how she’d interpret it. That paired with Kate not being able to look special by coming in with the queen – hence her total and complete freezing out both Meghan and Harry.

    • Ames says:

      Chuck’s clammy fingerprints are all over this. This heir/spare bullsh!t is as old as dirt with these people. It’s like they’re just completely unable to evolve past it. And we’re seeing what happens when someone actually tries.

      They can’t outright murder or starve the peasants anymore, so the old guard just squeezes their eyes shut, crams a finger into each ear, and screams “LA LA LA LA LA” until Mummy makes it all go away. All the while, their simpering courtiers fall all over themselves to constantly assure them they’re the prettiest.

  4. heygingersnaps says:

    The Dolittles’ spin on this after lots of people called them out for being rude towards the Sussexes. Yeah right, they were so diplomatic/gracious that Cain and Unable couldn’t muster a small smile towards Harry & Meghan.
    Even if Harry and Meghan stepped down as senior royals, the royal reporters can never take away the fact that Harry is the son of the heir and therefore still in line so they keep beating him with it even though it’s just a part of who he is.

  5. Belli says:

    I think I saw that the Sussexes weren’t on the order of service, meaning it was already decided that they would be seated before the Queen’s procession before the orders went to print.

    Whether or not it was their decision, it’s for the best that they weren’t subjected to the body language analysis while they waited for the Queen with W&K etc. It was bad enough already on that front.

    The Cambridges were the last minute change.

    And I doubt it was a kind move from the Cambridges to step in and soothe H&M’s pesky emotions, especially from the greeting we saw.

    • fishface says:

      I imagine too, that Kate must have been stunned when she saw Meghan who looked absolutely radiant and elegant. Meghan has such style whereas Kate lack of it makes her look quite dowdy and frumpy in comparison. And she’s been raised to think she’s going to be the Queen Bee.

    • STRIPE says:

      Yes that correct – H&M were not in the procession when the program was printed. W&K were though.

      My theory is it was a PR move. Maybe someone finally told them it didn’t look good to demote H&M before they officially left, so W&K were taken out last minute

      • Feeshalori says:

        Got to agree with this. In their haste to rush the Sussexes out the door, they didn’t see what poor optics it was to leave them out of the processional as still senior royals and thus had to pull the Cambridges out too. Thus the Cambridges’ prune faces and snubbing of Harry and Meghan. William and Kate should have just sucked it in and dealt with the situation, but they showed such ill-manners and lack of professionalism. They really dropped the ball on this. Simple courtesy would have scored them major points.

      • Kimmie says:

        I agree with you about the Cambridge’s lack of professionalism @Feeshalori. Sort of like how Meghan made an effort to wave/greet William and Kate. It was almost like she knew they were salty for the last minute change, so she made sure that everyone would see that the Cambridges are petty, jealous jerks. I found them completely boring before Meghan came on the scene. I never understood why everyone was clamoring to copy Kate’s look. She was basic and unoriginal, and still is. This is what happens when you’re told what you’re supposed to be, rather than find yourself: no spark, no charisma. Just an empty vessel for which people can put their expectations.

      • Harla says:

        I don’t think it was so much about demoting H&M as much as it was service about diversity but the RF’s only non-white member wasn’t allowed to take part in the processional.

    • February Pisces says:

      All parties involved must have agreed a while back, that the Sussex’s were NOT going to be in the procession and the Cambridge’s WERE. So the big news is why were the Cambridge’s dropped last minute AFTER the order of service was printed? It’s clearly BS that they were doing it for harry and Meghan, they were clearly pissed off about it, they would have absolutely loved having they spotlight on them whilst the Sussex’s were sat down. Do the Cambridge’s have some scandal coming? Did the queen finally decide to put willie in his place? Do the RF finally realise how racist they are looking to the rest of the world, so didn’t want to give W+K ‘special treatment “? I actually don’t know……

  6. Toot says:

    Harry is still a senior royal until the 31st, so the change did draw attention to this new set up. Thankful that Meghan and Harry are away from these ain’t worth a damn folks.

  7. Jackie-Oh says:

    Keen Kate generally pulls it together for the sake of appearance, as with her very clipped smiles at Christmas at church (which she alternated with a scowl). But that she didn’t even acknowledge the Sussexes AT ALL as they were taking their seats was a VERY catty departure from her usual facade. I was surprised to see her be so petty – publicly, anyway.

    • Abby says:

      I wish I could have seen the whole of their interactions. The clip I saw definitely showed Meghan saying hello and being completely ignored. Would love to know if they interacted later.

      I had to go to my grandmas memorial service with my brothers and their wives this past fall. We are estranged for painful reasons that have still not been resolved, and they basically ignored my grandma for the last 3 years of her life. It was excruciating to sit at the same round table with them. Only saved by family members who did not know the drama and ones who did but chose to be buffers. But we still said hello and talked about the weather.

    • Solace says:

      She can be quite petty. She ignored Letizia at an event, in a similar manner.

      • Becks1 says:

        I remember that! And there were lots of excuses given for why she did that, or that she DID acknowledge her and people were making much ado about nothing, etc.
        But sometimes when a pattern presents itself you have to see it for what it is.

      • Digital Unicorn says:

        She also blanked King Felipe at a WW2 event.

      • Feeshalori says:

        I remember that event too. Both W&K ignored Felipe and Letizia which was pretty appalling. As if they didn’t know the king and queen of Spain were sitting right behind them.

      • Hope says:

        The Trio also ignored Prince Daniel during the Olympics.

      • Mary says:

        @Hope, yes, it was both Princes Daniel and Carl-Philip. My tin foil tiara theory about her blanking the Spanish royals? They were mad they did not get Spanish orders…

      • Lauren says:

        Why would she ignore all these people? Is she jealous of all other royals, even if they are from different countries? You’d think she’d love hobnobbing with other European royalty.

      • RogerOThornhill says:

        @Lauren- Google Letiza and Felipe and Princes Daniel and Carl-Philip. It’s a good looking lot all around.

        Then look at frumpy Bill and Kathy.

        I’m guessing that was the cause of the jealously.

  8. ShazBot says:

    There was no reason for them not to have been in the procession other than pettiness. They all should have been, including the Wessexes.

    • SomeChick says:

      My theory: Harry didn’t want to do it. So they couldn’t really have the Wessexes.

      Then, obvi, Something Happened and William and Catherine were told to have their seats. Hence the sour lemon faces.

      It will be interesting to see what happens next! It’s like a reality show, but real. Good for Harry & Meghan for grabbing their baby and skedaddling.

  9. Becks1 says:

    HAHAHAHAHAHHAA. Yeah, no.

    I think the sussexes may have been upset at not walking in with the Queen – but they might have been fine not doing it, because then they would have had to stand around yesterday waiting with Will and Kate, which is when we got all those awkward pics last year. So while I think not letting them walk in with the queen was a definite snub, I sort of think they were okay with it in the grand scheme. And they definitely knew about it since they weren’t on the program.

    The change with Will and Kate though – that is significant IMO. That was obviously a last minute change, and Will and Kate did NOT look happy about it.

    I wonder if, disregarding my first paragraph – that H&M actually were ticked over not being included, and it was brought up to Charles and the queen, and pointed out to them how bad it made them all look, so it was decided the Cambridges wouldn’t walk with the queen either, and they were ticked. I could see that happening.

    Whatever it was – the Cambridges did not voluntarily choose to be seated ahead of time. This story is completely and totally from KP (first clue – Rebecca English) and it makes it even clearer that it wasn’t their choice – its so heavy handed and over the top that it seems obvious to me that its designed to hide the true story.

    • Nic919 says:

      It’s pretty obvious the Cambridges were cranky about something yesterday in that barely there greeting, especially Kate, where it’s hard to tell she even looked at them.

      Becky English is simply a Cambridge mouthpiece… I mean her twitter avatar has been Kate and William for years. That’s bizarre for someone who pretends to be a neutral journalist

    • Redgrl says:

      @becks – I’m wondering if H & M didn’t care (or were hurt and kept quiet) and some PR person independently pointed out how bad it looked and so the Cambridge’s were moved hence why they were pissed- slight variation on your take…

      • Becks1 says:

        That could be it too. Either way, it seems clear that the change was not the cambridges choice, so did the queen make the change to punish them for something* or did the queen make the change for optics? If the latter, how was it no one said anything until after the program went to print??

        *for the queen to have told them to stay out of the procession, it must have been something serious in my mind. She’s not going to cause a public wave like that at an event like this without a solid reason.

      • BabsORIG says:

        I honestly believe that everything that happened on this trip was pre agreed upon prior to the Sussexes coming to UK. There was no way everything was not disclosed and they agreed on it, otherwise Harry would just have pulled himself and his wife out of the entire thing; at this point he doesn’t care. I believe Harry has a good relationship with this G/mother and thus all this was disclosed to him and he agreed that they would not be in the procession. It would also be that Harry made the request because he doesn’t wanna subject his wife to any more heartache so they obliged him. And I strongly believe there was a “no leak clause, otherwise we pull out” in place thus the courtiers didn’t get feedback on the optics. Once the program was printed people started talking and the courtiers knew that adding this exclusion to an already bad situation of running the Sussexes out of the country would maybe even affect relationships with other commonwealth countries so they decided to pull the Cambs. One thing is certain, the Cambs were pissed at being pulled.

      • Becks1 says:

        @Babs – yeah, whether or not the Sussexes cared about walking in with the queen or not, I don’t think it was something decided this weekend. The details were hammered out a while back for things like that, IMO. Werent we hearing rumors about that a few weeks ago, that they wouldn’t be part of the procession?

        But like you said, one thing is certain – the Cambs were pissed at the last minute change.

    • Becks1 — I don’t know why everyone thinks the Sussexes were told in advance they would not be part of the Procession. Perhaps everyone in The Firm blanked Harry on it and just let him believe it would be same as last year, until someone had to officially tell him yesterday that they had been excluded and that it was officially in the Order of Procession that had been printed so he would just have to suck it up and take it. Maybe he felt it was a public, final slap in the face from The Firm to he and Meghan. Maybe he justifiably got angry as he and Meghan have made every effort to behave well, do their job, and even tried to step back with fair warning. That for their final appearance as senior royals they had obeyed the Queen and flown back just to be belittled one last time on the public stage by the family that supposedly loves him. Maybe for Harry it was one bridge too far and he —- justifiably — went ‘incandescent with rage’ and the Queen/Charles started scrambling to fix the optics. I mean they’ve bumbled everything else to do with the Sussexes why not this?!

      • betsyh says:

        JA Lowcountry, I think you have it exactly right. As the article above states, “The Queen and senior royals are always the last to arrive and take part in a procession down to the front of the Abbey.” Seeing that last year Prince Andrew was part of the procession, it would be expected that the Wessexes would be part of it this year (they were not in attendance last year). It’s clear they were seated instead in order to “placate” the Sussexes. I agree that Harry was not informed he and Meghan would be seated. And he would be angry. As you said, the Queen requested they fly back for this final appearance as senior royals, and as such they should have been treated as senior royals.

      • BabsORIG says:

        I still maintain that the Sussexes not being in the procession was NOT a last minute decision. But the Cambs pull from the procession was last minute. And no amount of Harry rage would make the queen do anything, y’all should know this by now. If that was the case, Harry would still have all his military appointments etc after March 31. No this has nothing to do with the Sussexes throwing fits over exclusion from the procession.

  10. Nina says:

    They will never stop trying to screw Harry and Meghan Up.
    Have you seen their faces yesterday?
    A sad and dull monarchy.
    If only they could put as much energy into working than they put into bullying Harry and Meghan

  11. OriginalLala says:

    Harry and Meghan, run, don’t walk, away from these petty a-holes!

  12. Erinn says:

    Okay. So this might make a lot more sense now.

    So MAYBE the queen pulled her petty stunt, the Sussex’s were understandably hurt. Last minute Will MIGHT have flippantly been like “Well, what do you want? Do you want us to go in with you?” and then either backed down because of the stupid papers that had already been printed, or because petty grandmother got involved. At this point I could see Liz genuinely being petty enough to be like “No, the Cambridge’s will come in with us, make sure Harry knows what he’s missing out on, this is just the beginning and he might as well get used to it” and then Will dumbly just following granny because he sees where the gravy train is going and I’m sure in a small way he DOES feel like his hands are tied with the old bitty. And then because of appearances the queen and Charles end up forcing the Cambridge’s go in with the Sussex’s anyway, and it just was awkward as hell.

    I could see Will and Harry then having it out over the fact that Will didn’t stand by what he had said and how he NEVER bothered to defend them this whole time, and things just kind of spiraling out of control there.

    I genuinely suspect at least some version of that went down. Details might be different, but I suspect that there was a lot of unloading happening with a couple of years worth of issues finally being brought to the light.

    And then you have sweet as freaking anything Meghan smiling and waving because she probably still thinks “Well, they’re in a tough spot, I’ll try to be cheery with them and make sure things go smoothly for the rest of the time” and then they just… ignore it. And then you see Harry and Meghan quietly talking to each other right after that, looking rather hurt.

    I don’t know, my dudes. I know I defend the Cambridge’s at times because I think they are at times in a difficult spot when it comes to this incredibly screwed up family’s dynamics. They’re going to disappoint someone, and they’re too afraid to do what M&H did, so they cowardly listen to granny because she’s pulling the purse strings. I tend to think that the Queen is pulling a lot more of the punches than William is, though. And I don’t doubt for a second that Andy has been a contributor to that. He’s probably whispering in mommy’s ear and I think most of the negativity around the weddings was from his side. But this is just a mess. And I’m so glad M&H are getting away from this.

    • BabsORIG says:

      @Erin, the Sussexes gave up everything to move to Canada. Harry recently directed people to call him just Harry and nothing else. People like these care zilch about titles or status or rank. If they cared to be in the Queen’s procession, they wouldn’t have left the royal family. And if they quit the senior royal status voluntarily, being in the Queen’s procession is not that’s much of a big deal that would upset them. Your tin foil theory makes zero sense.
      The “the Sussexes are obsessed with Harry being 6th in line” is just RRR reversed psychology. They think they can trick/bully the queen into removing Harry and his son.

      • Erinn says:

        But you’re misunderstanding WHY I think it mattered. I don’t think it mattered to them in regards to showing equal status. I don’t think it mattered to them in terms of ranks or titles. They’ve made that abundantly clear and I 100% believe that’s a genuine sentiment that they share. They’ve given me no reason to think otherwise. And I don’t for a second believe that they are concerned let alone obsessed with their place in the line of succession. You can call it RRR reverse psychology, but it’s not something I’ve ever personally believed, so it’s not relevant in terms of what I wrote.

        I think it ‘mattered’ more in terms of family.

        I don’t think for a moment that they care about putting on a show for the public. But I do think that there was probably a little bit of hope that their family would at least make them feel like actual family. It was their last chance to show decency, and they failed. They probably didn’t expect them to somehow get their shit together, but I think there was probably still that little bit of hope that they would do better for once.

      • BabsORIG says:

        @Erinn maybe I misunderstood your post but it seemed to me like you were agreeing with the RE article that the Sussexes threw a fit over petty queen exclusion from the procession so the Cambridges, particularly William, smoothed things over yadda yadda yadda. But even if the Sussexes had been get over petty Betty excluding them from the family etc etc, why would they get upset that would result in William smoothing things over? I mean, the Sussexes have put up with much more that just being excluded from the Queen’s procession and they always dealt with these situations with such grace, why would this time be that important? Ok they were hurt that the queen screwed them over for the 10th time, how does that translate into “William and Kate stepping in to diffuse the situation” And Willileaks is still leaking like a woman on their period, so this tells me he never voluntarily did zilch. He put out this BS story to save face because the Cambridges behaved like spoiled brats yesterday. William’s always looking to screw his younger brother up the ass, always. I won’t be surprised if this time tomorrow some sources dispute this RE story as I believe everything that happened on this trip was pre agreed upon before the Sussexes even left Canada, including the order of procession on this day. I believe a ” no leaking clause” was one of the conditions given for them to agree to the tour, thus little to nothing was known other than what events they would be involved in. That’s why there was this last minute change. Because there were no prior leaks, the courtiers didn’t get any feedback as to how this would look. Once it was printed and became public knowledge, they were forced to pull the Cambridges because of optics.

      • Erinn says:

        Oh Babs, that wasn’t at all my intention AT ALL. I don’t think William did anything to smooth things over – I think IF he said anything about sitting with them, he was still being petty about it. I don’t give him that kind of credit. If anything, I thought maybe he would offer to sit with them because it’d be less work – more of the usual avoiding doing anything while also boosting HIMSELF up. I even said “Last minute Will MIGHT have flippantly been like “Well, what do you want? Do you want us to go in with you?”” which shows that I’m not convinced that he DID even do it, and I thought the word “flippantly” made that clear that it was just more snottiness from him.

        Not once did I say that they were stepping in to diffuse anything or that they were saving the day, or anything even close to that. Nothing that I wrote was like “Yay the cambs are trying to fix it! All hail ffk and ffq!” I think you just happened to misunderstand what I was meant and assumed I was crapping on the Sussex’s when I truly wasn’t.

    • Mac says:

      Since William is funded by his father and will inherit the Duchy of Cornwall, I don’t think the queen’s purse strings matter to him.

      • Erinn says:

        He’s directly supported by Charles, but do you think he’d be in a good position if he did go against the queen? You’ve seen how over the top petty she’s been. Do you not think that it hasn’t occurred to W&K at some point that they wouldn’t want to be on the receiving end of this?

        I think the queens purse strings DO matter in terms of how much she can screw with your life. She’s still the head of the monarchy, and while I think Charles has been taking on more duty, she’s still the face of it all. And we KNOW just how petty she can be because we see it play out in the press over and over again. Of course Will can be horribly petty as well. But I don’t think he would want to tango with the head of the family when the family is run like a weird mafia.

    • Cidy says:

      ERINN –

      We agree quite often, and we agree here. I think that we tend to bend toward the Cambridges but at this point I’m thinking correlation does not equal causation. I wouldnt be surprised if things went down how you said, or a heavier or lighter version of events and that led to a lot of sour faces.

      I think TQ got petty on both W&K and M&H last minute and they didnt have time to scramble around her and came to with all these sour faces.

      Also, I agree. I think Harry would have wanted to walk in with The Queen not for status, but for family. I mean I know there are a lot of comments going on saying “Harry is glad go be gone.” And he probably is! But it’s probably bittersweet, this is still his family and look how s*itty the whole thing was, his family and his business.

    • Emmitt says:

      The Cambridges are in a “difficult spot” because they put themselves there. No sympathy from me or most.

      • Erinn says:

        Oh for the vast majority of the time, I fully agree they put themselves in these situations and don’t deserve sympathy. But I don’t doubt the damage that was done in the boys’ childhood had a lasting impact on who they are. Unfortunately Will doesn’t seem to be doing anything to improve himself now that he is an adult, though.

    • Devon says:

      I think you are making a lot of excuses for the Cambridges when it was quite clear from their behavior yesterday who they really are.

      • Erinn says:

        JFC. What excuses? I know you had to point this out in the other thread, but WHERE are my excuses for this behavior? My OP was literally paragraphs insulting Will and saying how they NEVER stood up for them when he should have. I called him a coward. I said IF he said anything, it was flippant and not at all genuine.

        The only thing I think that they have a tough time with is that family’s ridiculous expectations and moving goal posts. They’re a bunch of backstabbing idiots. I can’t imagine growing up in that environment, being forced to follow your mothers casket and dealing with all the cut throat family members lying and scheming is conducive to becoming a balanced adult. Harry went through his own growing pains, but he’s managed to find a life for himself that’s fulfilling with a woman he adores, and a beautiful baby boy. He’s done something to better himself, and improve his happiness. Will has not.

    • BabsORIG says:

      LOL @ Erinn, nooo, I lifted the “William and Kate stepped in to diffuse the situation” straight from the Fail article, I didn’t say you said that. Its RE/DF I’m calling BS to.

  13. S808 says:

    Ahh maybe Kate was pissed because her and Will weren’t part of the profession. It’s the only reason I can think of as to why she’d be so openly rude other than she’s a bitch and even then she has enough tact to not act like that so publicly.

    • Vava says:

      Maybe Kate was pissed because someone insisted that she wear a plate on her head. LOL. Gawd, what an awful hat that is.

    • Exactly L84Tea — I also thought it looked like a Valentine’s Day candy box. And I just don’t get this wearing a flattish hat perched on top of your head like a plate perched on its rim. Remember Beatrice’s hat at Cambridge wedding? Who looks in the mirror at that and thinks ….uummm hummmmm looking good girlfriend lets go rock this. 🤦🏻‍♀️

  14. Rapunzel says:

    Incandescent rage monster William is the last one to step in and calm things down.

    Such a BS story.

  15. Chrissyms says:

    I find this whole situation to be increasingly sad.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      I do too.

      The really said thing, for the Commonwealth that is, is that none of the BRF looked as if they really wanted to be there period.

      Harry & Meghan should have walked in with the procession (Sophie & Edward too as they will now have to step up and do more work) or just not attended period.

      Were Anne & Timothy there?

      • Chrissyms says:

        After the Diana Charles shitshow that turned into a tragedy we always found comfort in the fact that the boys were close and seemed to be protected by the royal family. I enjoyed the way they handled Kate and what this has all become is a stain on the memory of Diana. Both brothers loved he and she cherished them and this is just so sad.

      • Beach Dreams says:

        Eh, I think the closeness of the brothers is often exaggerated by the media. I think even Harry hinted years ago that they weren’t as close as the press portrayed them to be.

      • Tessa says:

        Over the years, I would notice William making snide comments about his brother. I don’t think they were or are all that close.

    • betsyh says:

      I do too Chrissyms!

  16. Becklu says:

    I believe this

  17. Jen says:

    If they were emotional about it, it is with good reason. The Queen wanted them to come for this last engagement as senior royals, so they did. Now they’re being told they aren’t going to be treated as senior royals?

    But yeah, that sounds like a KP exclusive.

    • Giddy says:

      Yes. You must come, it will be important, your last time as senior royals. Oops! Gotcha! Go sit so we can ignore you.

      I doubt that H&M were highly emotional about all this, except to be grateful they were leaving.

  18. Leigh says:

    I would not blame the Sussexes at all for being upset. Why would the queen “order” them to fly halfway across the world only to have one last opportunity to treat them like $hit and put them in their alleged place? This was the absolute height of pettiness.

    • Truthiness says:

      My son and I had the recorded BBC tape of the service on in the background yesterday and HOLY F–K it quickly became apparent why the Queen wanted them present. The service was so chock full of POC elements, they did not want to look like racist colonial A-holes. Rwanda sent a simply marvelous 6 man band in native dress, at least one of which was barefoot all the way up the nave of the Abbey. A boxer of (maybe) Nigerian descent gave a great speech, as did a senior man from India. The Melodian steel orchestra sounded incredible. The Abbey choir and Boris Johnson were the only white people on the program. It was stressed that the queen reigned over more than a billion commonwealth people. Meghan was needed for “diversity.” LIKE AS IF WE ALL DIDN’T SEE HOW THEY HANDLED THEIR ONE POC. Godspeed Harry & Meghan, godspeed.

  19. Mads says:

    I think Buckingham Palace began to see they had a PR disaster in the making once the printed order of procession was released; people were pointing out that Harry and Meghan were going to be excluded from walking in the procession. I think William was ordered to take his seat with Kate to avert very bad optics and that is why the Cambridges were so pissed off. Then Kensington Palace try to spin the situation by claiming W&K were the heroes of the day by voluntarily offering to sit so as to calm the emotional H&M and, of course, a friendly Daily Fail royal reporter posted the story.

    • Cee says:

      this seems accurate.

    • L84Tea says:

      I think this is 100% what happened.

    • TheOtherSarah says:

      Yeah, that seems to be the most plausible story.

    • Feeshalori says:

      Too bad the Cambridges couldn’t pull up their big boy/girl panties and deal with it. Putting on a good face and showing some courtesy would have gone a long way in adeptly dealing with this sudden turn of events. They need a course in Diplomacy for Future Future Monarchs 101.

    • RoyalBlue says:

      My take is similar. I think The Sussexes knew they would walk in ahead and were fine with it. They didn’t complain. But someone expected them to. Charles got wind of it and realized this looks petty let’s change it. I think Charles is the only one who can put William in his place, so daddy stepped in to let the child know who is in charge.

    • Kelly says:

      sorry. the RF has shown bad optics since Meghan arrived on the scene. All this nonsense of tension between the two women, nobody stepped up, nobody cared. A BBC radio personality calling Harry and Meghan’s son a chimp was disgusting and still, crickets. I truly think something went down with Sunday tea after church and the Cambridges were pulled. I think the receipts were shown.

      • But did the Sussexes have any private time with Queen after the church service? There are no leaks other than the photos of them arriving for service in separate vehicles. I’m not convinced now that I think about it that they saw her away from that service on Sunday.

  20. KeiraK says:

    Seems like Harry and Meghan being punished for being happy. Hurt people hurt, you know. But that’s the price for getting out of toxic family. So happy for them that they are GTFO of London, far away for the miserable pettiness of this rotten monarchy.

  21. Guest with Cat says:

    The whole thing was so weird. The thing is, Harry did smile at William and William did acknowledge Harry and Meghan. If there’s one thing I’ve learned about Harry recently, if he doesn’t want to do a thing, he doesn’t do it. That’s why the royal reporters are torturing him.

    I noticed when Petty Betty walked in, he fixed his gaze firmly away from her. I suppose he was icing his father out, too. He definitely had a problem specifically with them.

    Sophie and Kate looked completely over this stuff and like they wanted out of there. They didn’t look like they were going to exchange pleasantries with anyone but each other.

    Harry looked ok with his uncle and even with his brother. But he looked fit to kill when the rest arrived.

    I wonder if it was this private secretary of the Queen who both kept him from his scheduled meeting with his grandmother and who got the Sussexes pitched off the order of service.

    Does Betty on her own still have it in her to be this petty? This is major super petty treatment of the Sussexes. They aren’t officially stepping down yet so why make them take seats prematurely? This was supposed to be their last time officially together.

    Whatever happened, the Cambridges got screwed, too. Kate looked pissed. William didn’t look too terribly put out. So I guess he was already calculating how it could all be spun to his favor.

    I wonder now if the Sussexes really will attend the Trooping the Colour. That seems like a major waste of the Sussexes’ time and energy given that they’re probably going to get stuck in some back corner of the balcony, probably behind the Mozz and his kid. Goodness knows there’s no shortage of relatives they can dust off and put in front of them.

    • Guest with Cat says:

      Sigh. These incomplete clips. I have to correct myself. I saw a very short clip, Harry and Charles did smile and acknowledge each other. Harry didnt seem to acknowledge the Queen, at least not in that clip.

      So unless there’s one comprehensive video with scenes from different angles, who can tell what the hell is going on with these wacked out people?

      The thing with Kate goes way back. When she was asked about if she was happy about Meghan’s pregnancy and she could only mumble out some vague mess about it’s a nice time of year for children.

      These people ain’t normal.

      • Moo says:

        These events often show up on BritBox, the streaming service from the BBC and ITV. They currently have the 2019 Trooping of the Colour and Royal Variety Show, as well as the Queen’s 90th BDay and the 2018 WWI service. It’s available through Amazon, so you can check for what’s available there.

    • BUBS says:

      Yep…Harry definitely seems to be that kind of guy…you can’t make him do anything he doesn’t want to do. He point blank told the press that he “would not be bullied into playing a game that killed his mother.” That certainly makes for an interesting dynamic considering that Meghan is the Leo in the relationship (August 4th). Being born under that zodiac sign myself (I’m August 10th), I can tell you that we’re pretty stubborn. But I think they’ve both learned to let each other lead. So Harry might lead on something and Meghan will take the lead on another! I’m just glad they came to the decision to get out of the BRF. They’ll look back on this years later with nothing but smiles, I tell you…and Archie will grow up with all the love and normalcy they want him to have. W and K certainly need diplomatic skills; considering that they’re going to be FFK and FFQC! Pettiness does not suit what they want to be portrayed as!

      • booboocita says:

        “So Harry might lead on something and Meghan will take the lead on another!”

        And ain’t that just the recipe for a happy marriage? The Cambs could take a few lessons from these two …

    • That’s right, Guest with Cat —- I remember there was talk of Edward Young —- (Queen’s private secretary strong armed into that position by Charles) —— being fired because he supposedly kept Queen from taking Harry’s call before it all hit the fan in January. Of course, I truly believe Young was acting on Queen’s orders as she wanted the situation to go away or just let Charles keep dragging it out. Of course he had something to do with Order of Procession. Also the Queen and I imagine Charles would have signed off on it before it was printed.

  22. Digital Unicorn says:

    This story is obvious BS to try and negate the negative headlines the Cambridge’s are getting over their rudeness yesterday. Its a pathetic attempt to get sympathy by making the Sussex’s out to be petty brats – I think we all know who the petty brats were and as usual they are projecting their behaviour onto others.

    As for Sophie Wessex – she doesn’t have the best rep as being a nice person plus she is sucking up to the Cambridges in the hopes that her children will have a place in the family firm going forward.

  23. Maria says:

    Apparently, when they first met, Diana made Sophie cry.
    After seeing her behavior yesterday, I’m glad she did.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      What was the crying over? I have never heard this story.

      • Maria says:

        Well, the story is that the press were implying Sophie would be a new Diana and the Royal Family were comparing her favorably to Diana, so allegedly when they met in 1993, Diana made a bunch of snarky comments about Sophie, including a remark about her skirt, saying it was nice for Marks and Spencers anyway and that must be expensive on her wages, etc etc.
        Who knows if that’s true, lol. After seeing Sophie yesterday, I kind of hope it is.

    • Tessa says:

      The story about Diana and Sophie came out after Diana died so Diana was not around to confirm or deny them.

    • Tessa says:

      The story about Diana and Sophie came out after Diana died so Diana was not around to confirm or deny them.

  24. KellyRyan says:

    If nothing changes, nothing changes. H&M have done their absolute best to cooperate, lead, engage, contribute. The BRF is self-destructive, immobilizing and refuses to acknowledge they are the problem.

    Come home Harry and Meghan where you will be treated with kindness, love and respect.

  25. DS9 says:

    “Another public skirmish”..

    What was the first one?

  26. Priscila says:

    Nice to see you are hoping for a family to be broken up, because remember: Meghan and Archie are Harry´s family. Also good to judge a person for past failed relationships and an obviously toxic family. If much, I believe those things are what Meghan and Harry have in common: shitty families that expected them not to go that far and got jealous when they went.

    But I guess everyone has different expectations and experiences. With those two is strange how people attach double standards, It is either ” she knew all along what she was getting into” or ” She had no idea she would have to play second fiddle to Kate and decided to leave.” Make your pick- or go back to BlindGossip,.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      I think the problem was with the talent and art of fiddling. I do not believe that Meghan had any problem playing second fiddle to Cathy. However, if Unable cannot play the fiddle then does that not leave Meghan in First Chair by default.

      • Becks1 says:

        @Bay – this is a really good way to put it, actually. I don’t think Meghan was bothered by having to walk behind Kate or anything like that. But like you said, its hard to play second fiddle to someone who cant fiddle at all.

      • Oh BayTampaBay and Becks1 —- you two are on fire. Well Fiddle Dee Dee. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

  27. Lizzzieb says:

    Dear god this family is petty. I think they forgot the cameras were on and everyone would see. Only Meghan and Edward were courteous. Maybe time apart will help. I was annoyed at the spiteful drama they clearly made no attempt to hide. Grow up people.

  28. Tuntmore says:

    Being emotional *is* a huge sin in England! Stiff upper lip, keep calm and carry on, and all that.

    I still don’t think Kate has as much to do with the pettiness as Elizabeth and William do. I’m sure she’s jealous of Meghan’s global popularity, but she’s obviously the favorite daughter-in-law with the Royal Family and their faithful followers. I think that helps soothe her ego.

    But William is just like his grandmother. And he’s always been jealous of Harry. That sort of lifelong love/hate relationship was doomed to turn out like this. It wouldn’t have mattered if Harry had married a Royal Family-approved English duchess or a gay man from South America.

    I’m just glad that Harry and Meghan found each other and have been able to build a beautiful little family together. They’re better off away from that toxic Royal Family.

    • Devon says:

      Kate behaved like a complete ass yesterday by refusing to even acknowledge H&M. She’s no innocent bystander to this drama.

      • Tessa says:

        Kate enabled William’s tacky PR to show up his brother, with their scurrying off the commercial plane, kids rushing along after, and probably the media was tipped off by william. Kate also did not deny the alleged story that Meghan made her cry. If true, I think Kate was trying to play drama queen and stir up trouble for Meghan. Kate did not even go out of her way to be friendly to Meghan and Archie when Kate and Meghan were spectators at a polo match.

  29. Ladiabla says:

    Maybe TQ is aware of how bad things are between the brothers and was trying to limit the time they were forced to interact with one another? Hence, the Cambridges were pulled from the procession at the last minute? Idk but things are very bad within the family, which is sad.

    • Becks1 says:

      Except that by pulling the Cambridges from the procession, they got MORE time with the Sussexes. If they had walked in with the Queen, we would have gotten very little footage of interaction between the two couples.

  30. Awkward symphony says:

    If they had any doubts this petty move (which is probably instigated by NormalBill but ended up backfiring on him) should put those to rest! I mean what a utter trash this “family is. I cant wait for the tide to turn now that they wont have any access or dirt to leak to their trashy links with DM,Sun..etc
    Brexit is going to put a stop to NormalBill’s “human rights” claim which will offer an opportunity for some to finally report his affairs soon. That and the impending Sussexs lawsuits which KP/BP/CH were unsuccessful in getting H&M to drop will fuel the tabloids into overstepping their pact with palace/courtiers.

  31. JaneDoesWork says:

    Soooo William and Kate offered to diffuse the situation by joining Meghan and Harry…. and then blatantly ignored them in the church when they got to their seats? Yeah no. I have no reason for thinking this, but I sort of think either W&K were like “well if they don’t have to then we’re not standing around waiting either” or Charles was like “go be a decent brother, William” and this was the result.

    Wish we knew the Sussex side to the story, but now that this is in the rear view, they should just move on and look ahead to their freedom.

    • Amy Too says:

      It’s very much a “don’t believe your lying eyes!” story, isn’t it? They’re telling us that Harry and Meghan were emotional and threw a fit and acted like babies. We saw Meghan and Harry being smiley and kind and sweet and attempting to greet and chat with everyone. They told us that Will and Kate stepped in at the last minute to comfort Harry and Meghan. We saw Will and Kate ice out Harry and Meghan, hold sour expressions, and refuse to look at or talk to Harry and Meghan. They said Will and Kate were happy to make this sacrifice. We saw… see above.

      And throughout this whole week, and while this article was being published, and even after this article was published we kept getting stories about how this was the very first time and only time that Will and Kate saw Harry and Meghan the entire time that H and M were in the country. Then how did W and K know that H and M were really hurt and upset and needed to be comforted? How did Will tell Harry that he would come and sit with him early if he hadn’t seen or spoken to him at all before the service?

      • So true Amy Too. What about all the time Harry was there before they flew to Ireland and Cambridge’s have been back from Ireland since at least the morning of Mar 6. All we got was a RR story that a source claimed William was going to try to make time on his schedule to meet up with Harry. Guess he just never had an hour to spare until the public event yesterday.

      • JaneDoesWork says:

        Exactly! Its such a farce and so obviously untrue. Furthermore, when was the last time that William did anything conciliatory or made a sacrifice for literally anyone?

        I believe that Harry was likely very emotional, and that moving to North America has been both bittersweet and the right decision for him and his family. I hope that this final insult helps him affirm that decision and move forward with Meghan and Archie and the family that they are building together.

        I feel like Meghan and Harry’s biggest frustrations that could not be resolved all stem from the behind the scenes “family/firm” politicking and “protocol” police that got in the way of the work.

  32. Marie says:

    I wonder how much KP paid Becky English to write this crap? It’s obvious this is damage control for the bad press the Cambridge’s got for being rude.

  33. starcreactor says:

    OK wait. let me get this out of the way first: I HATE hats. why do the royals love them so much??? they look dumb as hell!! kate’s looks like a plate of bacon and meg looks like she’s got a giant green m&m on her head. literally remove them and both women will look even more gorgeous.

    anyway, all I can say is: Meg left a drama just to get involved in another one. it’s absolutely not her fault, of course, but this family has its origins rooted in racism and elitism. I’m not a fan of any royal, but I see Meg trying her best and I just wished that she married better (there I said it. I know she loves Harry, but she deserves better and I will always think that). bleh.

    • Emmitt says:

      Her family of origin is steeped in racism, too.

      • starcreactor says:

        you are right about that, yeah, but the BRF is the mother of all racist families, and they have wealth and power. both are terrible, of course.

        meg gave up a lot to marry harry, and I appreciate that, I do. I can like this couple a lot and still think that this lady deserves better. not necessarily that harry doesn’t deserve her, but he comes with the family, THIS family. working royal or not, he comes with the family

        between obtaining love and respect, I would choose respect any day. can’t imagine curtseying to these assholes, no matter the guy.

    • Marie says:

      Harry can’t help the family he was born into anymore than Meghan can’t help who her father is. Meghan can marry a guy that has a wonderful family but that guy could treat her like crap. Harry has an awful family but he is good to her and is leaving his racist family behind. Harry is a pretty good guy.

  34. Emmitt says:

    I think the Queen made the decision for Harry & Meghan not to be in the procession.

    I think Charles made the decision that William & Kate wouldn’t be in the procession either.

    William & Kate are spinning the story that they, out of the goodness of their hearts, decided not to be in the procession to defuse the situation when in reality they were pissed they got busted down.

    If anyone was trying to “defuse the situation” it was Meghan and Edward.

  35. Sunday says:

    Since Becky is so obviously a mouthpiece for KP, this story actually achieves the exact opposite of what it was intended – instead of making W&K look like selfless angels who thoughtfully sacrificed themselves for the Sussexes’ comfort, it just confirms that whatever happened behind the scenes was W&K’s doing.

    As others have said, the fact that the Sussexes were left out of the program shows that their omission was predetermined, and given everything we know about “just Harry” I really don’t think he would care about being included or not. He’s given up his role as senior royal and was willing to walk away from the HRH in entirety, so he wouldn’t throw a fit about not being included in one last procession.

    But W&K were definitely supposed to be in the procession and were removed at the last second. I don’t really think the theory that this was done to avoid the bad optics of singling the Sussexes out makes sense – if Sophie & Edward were also in the procession then yes, but they were seated also. I think either someone (TQ, Charles) foolishly thought that it would be a great idea to give the Sussexes & the Cambridges more time together (either for photo ops or for an actual chat, what a laugh), or that the Cambridges were being punished for something (maybe the light blue pap walk was too obvious for BP’s taste).

    The only way I can see this having anything to do with Harry is if having W&K in the procession would mean that Meghan would have to curtsey to them. If this was the case, we know W&K would demand their “due reverence” and so maybe Harry told TQ that if she wanted them to attend then she couldn’t expect that to happen, at which point TQ took the Cambridges out of the order to avoid that requirement.

  36. Honeybeeblues says:

    TQ has the instincts of a blind tunneling mole. As many of us remember, she was notoriously stone-cold silent after Diana’s death until the people were literally screaming at her (through the media) in the streets. She didn’t choose to make the remarks she finally did any more than she wanted to go to Wales after children were buried alive, until the public outrage became too much for even her to ignore. She had to see/hear it for herself because she has no imagination. I think H&M were left out all along as a final act of pettiness, until the GLOBAL reaction to their appearances. The umbrella photo broke the internet. Petty Betty had to finally do something. So, she axed W&K. AFTER she saw the response to The Farewell. Just…wow. Proving once again she is incapable of learning from her past mistakes and gross mishandling of pretty much every crisis she’s faced.

  37. nicole says:

    MAYBE W&K decided not to be in the procession to diffuse the situation. Maybe they did it to spare H&M’s feelings. Maybe they were forced to “take a seat”. But all of them have the right to be upset to be put in such an awkward situation. (Whatever that situation is.) It was obviously tense because they all looked miserable. (Including Charles and Camilla.)

  38. anon says:

    Here’s the thing, plain and simple:

    The Duke of Cambridge has undeniably set the tone and tenor for the rest of the country and the British tabloids on how to treat the Duchess of Sussex. His behavior (both in public and behind the scenes) has been the organizing principle that gave his tacit permission and approval for how everyone else behaves – which gives us a rather stark glimpse into how he is going to act when (if ever) he becomes the King of England.

    Ruthless, petty, dull, bitter and vindictive.

    He just bulldozed over his own brother and the mother of his only nephew and all but drove them out of the country. He could have put a stop to this over a year ago, but instead fanned the flames. He and Kate could have put on a united front for. one. day. But no. Instead, let’s act like a couple of middle schoolers and show the world how immature and socially tone deaf the future King and Queen of England truly are. The message they are sending to the Commonwealth on Commonwealth Day is this: Most of you may be black and/or brown (let’s face it, as exploited former colonies they are mostly black and brown) so this is what we think of all of you by extension. By William’s royal decree: “Let Meghan Markle be an example to all of you uppity MF’s who step out of your place in line.”

    He is Richard III, but without the hair.

    • GuestWho says:

      Yeah, I was with you right up until the Richard III thing…wanna debate about him? He’s much more interesting and very much maligned (friggin’ Shakespeare).

      • AGreatDane says:

        Even the Shakespearean Richard III made it clear he was usurping the Crown because the Duke of Clarence was a dullard and King Edward IV let too many thirsty Woodville hangers-on in high positions in court, so the analogy still doesn’t fit!

      • Jane's Wasted Talent says:

        I’ll debate Richard III kinslayer any day. :-) Maligned? Hardly.

    • bluemoonhorse says:

      Exactly and why there was only one way out for H&M. I can’t wait for April to see what they will be announcing!

      • BabsORIG says:

        @Bluemoose, and I betcha William is not as excited. Remember what Harry said during his Endeavour Fund (EF) speech? That from then forward, the EF was gonna get incorporated into the IG. So Harry is taking his EF out of the RF and William is not happy about that. Invictus Games..gone with the Sussexes.
        Endeavour Fund…gone with the Sussexes
        Sentebale… gone with the Sussexes
        Together Community Cookbook/project… gone with the Sussexes
        Heads together….once Harry left it’s a shell of what it used to be, that tells you that too was Harry’s brain child
        All that’s left at the RF is the struggle survey and what else really? Nothing. William is livid and, he’s incandescent with rage.

      • bluemoonhorse says:

        @BabsORIG – yep -and Harry will check off what media gets to attend these events. ROFLMAO. What I’m really gleeful about is whatever M&H roll out, they will totally blindside KP and the RR about it . It will be hilarious.

        I do wonder how M&H will earn money but I figure they have a plan for that. I’m excited to see what it will be.

    • Flying fish says:

      And that is why this notion of a Commonwealth must be put out to pasture. The member countries should be watching this shit show and voting not to continue being apart of so called group.

    • Hey Anon—- I agree with you until you get to Richard. The jury is still out on Richard the III. Remember that history is written by the winners not the losers. I am a proud Ricardian. So let’s not lump R3 with Cain. 😎

  39. JennEricaMS says:

    It might be pure fiction but in my mind I’m choosing to believe that the decision was made to move them from the procession when Meghan showed up this week and refused to dim her light as before. Can you imagine the optics of Meghan and Harry looking like a million bucks amongst the rest of them looking like their usual selves?

    • Betsy says:

      The programs were already printed, so that’s not the case.

      • MsIam says:

        Leaving them off the program was super petty. Was there some uncertainty about whether they would show up? Or if Meghan would show up? Or was it just the work of the viper courtiers?

  40. Alexandria says:

    Sorry this is just too obvious. The Keens were in the original programme. They got omitted by the Queen or Charles. So they got upset and now try to paint themselves as saviours through this royal ‘reporter’. Clear as day.

    • AGreatDane says:

      Probably Charles. There’s been a lot “Harry and Charles are still close” propaganda in the gossip mill lately, and he’s paying for their security through the Duchy of Cornwall.

    • And remember, Harry and Meghan are currently, and will continue to be the President and Vice President of the Queen’s Commonwealth Trust. Also, until midnight on March 31st (and thus yesterday) Harry is the Commonwealth Trust Youth Ambassador. You’d think in those roles they would NOT have been left off the Order of Procession at yesterday’s service! (Sorry, I meant to reply to Amelie, below).

  41. Amelie says:

    It just occurred to me after reading comments above: I think they realized having the only POC of the royal family (ie Meghan) walk in before the all white senior royals at an event celebrating the diversity of the Commonwealth would look really bad. Everyone would talk about how Meghan and Harry got shafted at an event supposedly all about inclusion and multiculturalism. And this is why they had to make the last minute switch with William and Kate and no doubt they were pissed and didn’t agree with that viewpoint.

    • Harla says:

      Well the monarchy is already having a problem talking about diversity when their only non-white member lasted less than 2 years.

  42. Mary says:

    @alexandria and Amelie, totally agree and I think that also what really pissed off the Cambridges was that there was to be no curtseying under the last minute change, (so Meghan did not have to curtsey to William and Kate)!

    • GuestWho says:

      If Meghan curtseying to Kate had been a requirement of being included in the procession, I can absolutely see Harry putting his foot down over that after they way the Cambs have behaved.

      • BabsORIG says:

        Not just after the way the Cambs behaved. Meghan has been said to have cared zero about any of their titles or status. That the HRH meant nothing to her and she was very okay if they lost all the titles for being free. Harry is on record saying from way way before he even met Meghan that he did not give any weight to all this pomp and circumstance. He is a guy that had never cared for the HRH or anything like that, his only interest are the military appointments. So these two married for love and not for status. None of the Sussexes was gonna curtsy to the Cambridges, not now not ever. Whether the Cambridges would had behaved well etc the Sussexes would still not have curtsied not bowed to them; the only 2 people the Sussexes are bowing/curtsying to is the queen and prince Charles, that’s it

  43. Ames says:

    God, all their pretentious pomp is just so deeply stupid.

    William’s looking particularly constipated – I don’t think he wanted Harry and Meghan there at all.

  44. JustMe says:

    Envy reared its ugly head openly and without any semblance of restraint in attitude, demeanor and facial expressions of three so-called ‘ROYALs’! Harry and Meghan were still full on royal family members until March 31, 2020. Their farewell ‘SussexRoyal Farewell’ ordered by the
    Queen of Partiality showed the rest of the clan what true royal acceptance by the worth of photographs that highlighted the love H&M share, their grace under fire, their sincere attention to their involvements and the unabashed popularity they have among the ‘common’ folk. The faces of those ‘suffering for the monarchy’ showed their true inner souls. Not a pretty sight!
    The deliberate cold shoulder by Sophie, the utter freeze out by Kate and the smouldering anger of William bear testament that cannot be disproved by any gobbledy-gook put forth by any printed suck-up piece of drivel.
    One picture is worth a thousand words and with the iconic pics of H&M’ successful return placed along side those at this Commonwealth service cannot be denied!
    Meghan’s beauty, grace and regal presence cannot be dimmed and the love H&M share shown in photographs cannot be disguised. They glow!
    William and Kate can put out a thousand pics showing their ‘devotion and love for each other’ but they will never in a million years convince me that it is anything but pr tactics on display.
    Ugly is as ugly does! The ugly dolittles and sycophant Sophie are now pictured for eternity
    for who they really are!

  45. Blue36 says:

    I don’t understand, even if the Cambridges were in the order of procession, why would Meghan have to curtsey to them? Aren’t they still technically of equal royal status?

  46. AGreatDane says:

    1. Where is the Future King and Queen Consort in all of this? What happened to the Shadow Regency? Charles is always absent in these things, that’s not a good look. Camilla needs to step it up as well, manage this family you’ll one day be the co-head of.

    2. When they say “status obsessed” they mean Meghan but should be referring to Harry. Meghan just joined the Royal family, I doubt she knows enough about court politics to even notice a “snub”. As Harry keeps reminding us, he’s Diana’s son and Charles’ son too. This whole thing reeks of a beef between brothers, but only time will out.

  47. Ames says:

    The sniffy eyeroll-y condescension about H&M being “sensitive” and “emotional” is the very same treatment Diana endured. It was both the media’s AND the family’s go-to narrative where she was concerned.

    It still IS, for that matter, among the “you don’t know what Diana was reehhhhhhhlly like” set.

    Harry is pursuing the life his mother would want for him. He’s protecting his child the way she couldn’t protect hers.

  48. Lily says:

    I think the Sussexes were supposed to be on that card, they were supposed to be waiting for the queen, do their procession whatever – but whoever approved that card (like willie willie) approved it without them on purpose, and the queen didnt know, and charles didnt know – like Willie wanted them to show their faces without being on the card. And then the news would have been, the sussexes needed so much attention they came out even though they werent supposed to and meghan is so hungry for fame. But the sussex found out about it, and just accepted being seated. And the story in my mind wants Charles to have been particularly incandescent with rage about it, and had the cambridges removed at the last minute because that move was so petty.

  49. Callister says:

    They (sussexes) have removed themselves by choice from the royal family. They are no longer practicing royals..by choice. The Cambridges didn’t walk in the procession to be kind-Harry probably threw a hissy fit and that’s the awkward air between them. Meghan always plays for the camera so of course she is trying to look like the bigger person.

    • joanne says:

      You keep telling yourself that. Too bad your fan fiction doesn’t match reality. Wee Willie and Kate were clearly angry about something. Meghan is the bigger person, she was the only one to practice civility without displaying annoyance.

    • Dutch says:

      Eh, it’s just as likely as the rest of the fan fiction being bandied about.

    • MsIam says:

      It looks like the ones who threw a “hissy fit” are Will and Kate, especially Kate. Why be mad about something you supposedly “volunteered” to do? Unless of course you were really “volun-told”.

    • RoyalBlue says:

      @callister you are wrong. They are still royals until March 31

      Second the Lamebridges were not in the least kind. In fact they were quite rude and Petty. As the evidence showed. Your points are all flawed, now back to The KP IG for you.

  50. Molly says:

    Let’s be clear: The program had the Sussex’s proceeding to their seats. The change was with the Cambridge’s. So the question should be why did the Queen change the Cambridge’s entrance? Because of how the RR reported this issue to the public I believe it was a slight to the Cambridge’s. First it was a change has been made and the Sussex’s will not walk in with the Queen but proceed to their seats. Than it was oh wait so are the Cambridge’s. When the program was published it was clear that TQ never intended for the Sussex’s to join the procession. It was also clear that only ONE change had been made at that was to the Cambridge’s. So the RR reporting crazy things like the Sussex’s got emotional and the Cambridge’s is suspicious…..Really, who believes that. My take: Only one person could approve that change and that was TQ. The Cambridge’s don’t give a rats ass about the Sussex’s so I don’t believe they wanted to make the change. Why TQ did it….will remain a mystery. Maybe she realized she was being petty Betty and had punished the Sussex’s enough for daring to walk away. Maybe she saw the public reaction to the Sussex’s returning and didn’t want the world to see how petty she really was and threw Will/Kate under the bus. I hope it’s the later and judging from the Cambridge’s attitude it maybe so. In the end I bet the Sussex’s went from the Abby to the Airport leaving the madness behind them!

    • Molly says:

      Abbey

    • Feeshalori says:

      Yes, I’m sure after the welcoming🙄reception they received at the Abbey, they couldn’t wait to beat a hasty retreat to the airport and get it of Dodge. And who could blame them. “Hey, Petty Betty and House of Petty, don’t call us, we’ll call you!”

  51. Gatorlover says:

    There’s something about W in the header pic that looks uncannily like shots we have seen of the Rose-who-shall-not-be-named. She’s more disciplined at appearing serene, while he seems barely contained, but they look similar to me. Am I nuts, or is there a suggestion of soul mates there?

  52. Well-Wisher says:

    Lord Peel , Lord of Chamberlain, one of the five people that do the financial and administrative duties for BP quietly stated that he is stepping down at the end of the year. He is responsible for patents branding in terms of royalty and ceremonies galas etc. This occurred just after the kerfuffle concerning Sussex Royal. He would have been responsible for producing the program for the Commonwealth multi-family service. Consequently he would have initially signed off on the registration of Sussex Royal to prevent unauthorised use of the name. After the Sussexes visit to US something occurred and we were told that the queen disallowed the use. A move more reminiscent of William, how would Lord Peel would’ve felt given that his power is being usurped and overridden by someone other than the boss and sold to the media as her idea?
    I mentioned this because the queen does not do the day to day minutiae of running the administrative duties of BRF. Again in preparation for the program – the same occurrence only this time. The program was was changed by the person(s) who pulled rank and then changed without explanation by the queen directions to Lord Peel. So both brothers were seated and the Wessexes added.The end result demonstrated Meghan’s grace, that’s all that matters. The leaking is to make the perpetrators project their angst about rank and position on the Sussexes. It added what they think a nice spin to the story.
    Lord Peel maybe find no pleasure in performing tasks that reeks of ingeniousness and pettiness.so he is stepping down.