Fifty percent of white people are ready to vote for Donald Trump again

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I have a masochistic streak, so sometimes I’ll allow myself a moment of reflection and look at the demographic breakdown of the 2016 election, just so I can feel that flush of rage, anger and disappointment all over again. The 2016 election was really illuminating for so many of us – we learned just how MANY white people will vote for “whiteness” and the protection of white supremacy above all else, even if that whiteness comes packaged in a rapist/traitor shell. Well, guess what. To the surprise of none of us, many white folks are still not alright.

Roughly 50 percent of white voters would vote to re-elect Republican President Donald Trump if the election were held today, according to a new poll by Hill-HarrisX. Overall, the poll found that 43 percent of voters would choose Biden in a present-day matchup whereas 40 would choose Trump. In a mid-July poll by Hill-HarrisX, Biden had a 7-point national lead over Trump.

Although the poll showed Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden beating Donald Trump in an immediate matchup among almost every other demographic, Trump led Biden amongst male voters 45 to 43 percent, Midwest voters 42 to 39 percent, Independent voters 35 to 33 percent, voters earning above $75,000 a year by 48 to 39 percent and voters aged 35 to 49 by a margin of 44 to 37 percent.

Biden beat Trump among all other non-politically-affiliated voter demographics. Biden’s largest leads over Trump occurred in Black voters by 65 percentage points, Hispanic voters by 22 points, both voters aged 18 to 34 and voters earning under $75,000 a year by 14 points and female voters and Western regional voters by 11 points.

However, the two political rivals ran very closely when paired among three demographics in particular. Biden led Trump by only one percentage point among Southern regional voters, voters over the age of 65 and voters with more than four years of college education.

Roughly 3 to 7 percent of voters in all demographics said that they will not vote while 5 to 16 percent of voters in all demographics said they weren’t sure who they’d vote for if the election was held today.

[From Newsweek]

I’ve already posted some of Biden’s good numbers, here and there, because the state-by-state breakdowns are fascinating to me and I still believe Biden is in a good position overall. But Jesus, this is depressing. After three and a half years of Trump’s corruption, lies, treason, misogyny, racism and barely functional mental facilities, 50% of white voters are still like “MAGA.” And that’s not even taking into account the fact that the economy is in the sh-tter AND Trump has done nothing about a literal plague. I really and truly do not understand why a majority of white men are still riding with Trump either – Trump is such a pathetic and useless example of American manhood. Why do they see themselves in that??

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  1. ABritGuest says:

    Not remotely surprised by this

    • Watson says:

      Same.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      Same.

      Also look at the result for people earning above $75,000 a year. “Economic anxiety.”

      It’s not MAGA, it’s MAWA.

      • Edna says:

        Exactly. Not at all surprised that high income earners are solidly supporting Trump. As long as the stock market is doing well, they get their tax cuts, then the hell with everyone and everything else.

      • Aang says:

        $75,000 is such a weird cut off to me. It is hardly high income. $75,000 would not let a family of 4 live comfortably, at least not in NYS. In NY household income up to $125,000 qualifies for free tuition and I think a family of 4 on $75k would get reduced lunch at school.

      • Also Ali says:

        The $75k cut off indicates to me they aren’t polling in SF, Seattle, NY.

        $75k is probably middle class in the Midwest, the South, a lot of TX, AZ.

      • BraveLilToaster says:

        40% of all US households have a total gross household income of less than $75,000 (before taxes or withholding). Over 50% of US households earn less than $100k a year. I’m not sure where $75-100 could be considered middle class. I live in the middle of the country, and while affordable housing is available, it’s mostly undesirable and everyone I know lives paycheck to paycheck basically. I never fail to be surprised when I travel by how comparable the cost of day-to-day things: groceries, toiletries, restaurants, Internet, children’s items, clothes… consumer goods cost the same everywhere, coupled with high state sales taxes in the Midwest and the south. It is cheaper to dine out in NYC in some cases than it is in middle America. Produce is cheaper in L.A. than it is in the middle of the country. Many, many, large family households are hurting even in the $75k-99 bracket and Midwest, Southwest, and South are not exceptions to this. Just to throw that in there.

      • LAR says:

        BraveLilToaster, I think it comes down to housing costs. If you compare rent or the price of a house, that’s where it comes into play. Groceries might cost the same, but income taxes, childcare, and rent are way different.

      • Mel M says:

        I agree @brave, I live in the Midwest albeit about an hour and a half outside of a major city and 75k-99& is our income bracket and our family is living tight. Childcare is crazy high, housing is not as affordable as people assume, even renewing your license plate is more expensive then the surrounding states. BUT I would pay higher taxes to have better education than what we have now and other social programs.

    • (TheOG) jan90067 says:

      I’d say 50% of WHITE *republTHUGS* would vote for him now, as it stands. I do know a few “moderates” (upper income bracket) that have been turned off enough to vote Biden. I’ve even made a few extended family members come over from “The Dark Side”

      While Tangerine Traitor Twitler will not loose his Evangelical base, and there is a huge segment of the stoopids that will vote for him because he hates the same people they hate, I think it’s waning. Too many people are “starting to know people” who’ve gotten sick, laid off, etc.

      What *I’m* worried about is foreign intervention, cheating, disenfranchising/purging of registered Dem voters…If these happen again, on the same (or worse) scale, we’re f&%* again. There is NO WAY Twitler would win a “fair” election.

      • BraveLilToaster says:

        @Lar, Rent for a 600sq ft 1 bedroom apartment in downtown where I live can easily be 1200$-1400$ a mo. (On the low end) with no utilities or internet access included, and while I realize this isn’t comparable to NYC, the income requirements for social services are proportionately higher as are wages, Childcare costs are comparable to coastal states-the average is around $1,000-1300/mo for an infant with “nice” centers veering up to $1500-1700/mo. The income tax rate is 5% and it is offset by extremely high sales taxes. Not to mention, that income taxes are still progressive in all coastal states and overall pay is again, higher. I would also argue that the increased infrastructure, functioning public transportation, better education funding, and improved access, in larger coastal cities, offsets the discrepancies in income taxes
        -at least for those who would rely on this infrastructure in Midwestern, Southwestern, and Southern cities. For example, gas, car, insurance, and auto upkeep as a large monthly expense for someone who needs a car to commute in the Midwest compared to a transit pass in NYC.

      • WingMom Rae says:

        Your nicknames are hilarious! I needed that laugh today. 🤣🤣

      • Truthiness says:

        The foreign interference is what could steal everything. Trump has recovered from worst positions in the polls. Russia stole the last election despite losing the popular vote so it could happen again. We have to prepare for an onslaught of Biden has dementia, Biden’s son is corrupt and who knows what else they are preparing. They will figure out how to create disruption with lies and we have to be ready celebitches.

    • missskitttin says:

      Politics aside,how can the White poor vote for a president that pretty much erased taxes for the rich and made them, and only them, richer than ever, whereas the poor are poorer than ever? That’s masochism.

  2. Anonymous says:

    I don’t know, 951 participants in an online survey seems a little low. I prefer to follow FiveThirtyEight for polling, since they compile and analyze many different polls before discussing, and overall they’re showing a solid 8-9 point lead by Biden.

    Edit: My bad, wrong poll. This one had a sample of about 2500, which is much better but I am still curious about participant self-selective bias.

    • Edna says:

      But even an 8-9 point lead is ridiculously low when you consider how awful Trump’s presidency has been and how he’s mishandled the pandemic.

      • Betsy says:

        Gawd it really is. I guess I’m in the minority in that I’m a white middle-ish class woman who has never voted for a single Republican in my life. I guess until the last few years I didn’t understand the amount and degree of racism still rattling around in so many peoples’ brains.

        Also ingrained misogyny. I think as much as we talk about the fact that the white people voting for Trump are doing so for racist reasons, we don’t seem to be talking about the fact that they’re also doing so for sexist reasons. As much as they want to get back to slavery, they also want to get back to women with zero power.

      • Jess says:

        I’m with you, Betsy, and just don’t understand how anyone can vote for that awful man. I’m here in Wisconsin, though, and see how ignorant and defiant so many of the white Trump supporters are. I’ve also been reading some interesting articles lately about the history of Christianity and white supremacy in America so I’d love to know how strongly that 50 percent white support for Trump identifies as Christian.

      • osito says:

        @Jess — What have you been reading? I heard Robert P. Jones Fresh Air interview and I really want to read his new book “White Too Long”.

      • VIV says:

        Also in Wisconsin and there are a lot of people still on the Trump train. It makes me so nervous to see how many people are confident that he will be defeated. I’m not convinced the polls are capturing the the people who will actually be voting.

      • North of Boston says:

        One book I read a while ago which was enlightening was The Myth of A Christian Nation: How Political Power is Destroying the Church. It explored how the quest for political power is at odds with basic tenets of Christian faith. It’s sad to realize that for many people, their understanding of what’s “good” and “right” is tied up with a need to “other” people who are at all different from them, and also to exert power over those people – to pin them down, exclude them, demonize them (thanks “Saint Ronnie” and others)

        When I see polls that show over 40% of Americans *still* support Trump … after all he was and said and did before 2016, and after all he is and has said and done and all the 150,000 people he has killed (or, being generous, assuming President Clinton could have prevented *some* of those deaths but not all … it is a deadly pandemic after all, even though this was *exactly* the kind of world wide threat to human life which required a smart, clear thinking, bureaucrat/manager to tackle and would have been right up her street/skill set/passions, so maybe only 100,000 of those deaths could be attributed to Trump’s assininity and greed and self-centeredness and stupidity.) it breaks my heart. It saddens me and disgusts me and as a white woman it embarrasses me too.

        How can Actual. Human. Beings. NOT vow with every fiber of their being to remove that abomination from the White House? What could they POSSIBLY think would be worth it, in this life or the next, to allow the lying grifting incompetent bigoted moron bully 4 more years in power?

      • alexc says:

        The slim margin also speaks to the weakness of the Dem candidate and the apathy and cynicism that having horrible choices engenders. The choice needs to be better than ‘less worse’. It’s hard to believe the US is anything at this point but a failing empire.

      • Anna says:

        @Betsy With you on this. I’m very worried that Biden’s VP choice will spell disaster for whites on the edge since the names being considered are (almost) all Black women and there is no way that anyone in this country except Black women and a few other folks really are in favor of a Black woman at the highest levels of power in the land. The systemic racism and sexism is too great. I’d love to see it but I’m afraid that a choice like that will spell disaster. Too many white people in this country whether conscious or not of their biases and no matter how supposedly progressive, will vote for white power before they’ll ever accept a Black woman in such a position.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      Well you may have a point, if this was not a randomly sampled survey but rather relied on self-selected respondents, it would have sampling bias and low validity. Has anyone been able to learn more about this? Would well-off, middle-aged white men have been over-represented in this sample?

    • Chloe says:

      Agreed- and who knows where they found these 951 people? These sweeping generalizations, followed by websites touting them (for good or bad) just play into the media intentionally or unintentionally creating its own reality. So over it!

    • cassandra says:

      538 was one of the few sites that said Trump had a decent chance of winning 2016 in the Fall of the race. I trust them very very much.

    • NotSoSocialButterfly says:

      Allan Lichtman has never been wrong. He predicts a Biden win. 🙏🏻https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/05/opinion/2020-election-prediction-allan-lichtman.html

      • Betsy says:

        But still cautions us against GOP vote suppression and Russian meddling possibly changing that outcome. Let that wash over you.

  3. M says:

    My god. He really does still have a leg in this race. Absolutely mental.

    • Marlowe17 says:

      The Dems. need a stronger candidate….a livestream with Mr. Biden only drew in 19 viewers indicating apathy and disinterest. Word is the youngest voters are not fans of him. Anything can happen…after all, G.W. Bush, was voted in twice.

      • (TheOG) jan90067 says:

        I think that’s more due to the fact that NO ONE KNOWS about these things! Why aren’t they given more advanced publicity? Whenever I heard Biden was speaking/being interviewed, I tune in to hear him… but I’ve got to say, more than quite a few times, I was flipping a channel and found him. I follow him on Twitter as well, but don’t seem to “get” any announcements, let alone timely ones, in my feed. His SM and PR need to do a better job getting word out.

      • Amy Too says:

        The OGJan, I get a ton of emails from him touting all of his live-streams and different talks and chats with people but it’s probably because I’ve donated to the campaign so they send me a thousand fundraising emails a day. To the point where I often just delete his emails without looking at them. You may be able to sign up on his website for emails that would let you know about all his upcoming events, but do we really expect swing or undecided voters to do something like that? To seek out his website and then go the extra step of signing up for newsletters and emails? I’ve also heard on various NPR shows that Biden hasn’t been doing that many interviews (yet?). He’s relying more on his own social media and direct-to-supporters live-streams and such. Maybe the idea is to wait until we’re closer to the election so people don’t get “sick of hearing from him,” or to prevent any gaffes or quotes from being twisted and used against him by the media and the republicans. I don’t really know.

      • Thirtynine says:

        This is the bit that concerns me, too. I am not American, but from watching the media, Trump is everywhere, and Biden seems practically invisible. And yes, Trump is awful and destructive, we know it, but if the undecided or unsophisticated voter can’t articulate easily what Biden really stands for, or failing that, makes some kind of emotional connection to him, they really aren’t likely to make the effort to vote for him. I just find it worrying that I’ve probably heard more about what Obama thinks about current events than Biden, and Obama isn’t the one in the running. I hope this is just my skewed perspective from watching internationally, and is not actually the case.

      • North of Boston says:

        As someone who has donated through Act Blue and who in theory been plugged in to events and fundraising etc, I have to say I agree that his message often gets lost.
        It’s like there are so many Democratic campaigns and PACs and fundraisers going on that there’s no sense of
        “THIS particular message is from the MOTHERSHIP … PAY ATTENTION”
        to any of the emails.

        So for example, I missed 2 live streams with Biden in the last week, because their announcements were swamped by similar sounding emails from 15 other campaigns/PAC fundraisers. On one hand, there are analysts who realize that Biden is actually gaining by NOT being as visible, because Trump is so visible and SO awful.

        But at a certain point, voters always want to know what they are CHOOSING, not just what they are running away from. Biden needs to be visible and loud and everywhere SOON, about what the promise of a future WITHOUT a trump administration looks like. Not just Those People are Evil, we’re going to stop that but an “Imagine what we can do! Imagine the lives we will save! Imagine the prosperity and balance and opportunity EVERYONE will have! Wow, how much better will the world be” optimism to inspire voters in the next 80 days.

        Though TBH anyone at this point who doesn’t know what Biden offers vs Trump? I have a hard time believing they aren’t a lost cause who wasn’t going to bother to get off of whatever sofa they’re sitting on to vote anyway.

    • IMUCU says:

      It really is insane. I live in a predominantly white, well-to-do, neighborhood in FL and I’m sickened to see all the pro-Trump signs popping up in yards. One house even has a giant Trump 2020 flag on their flag pole. I think our house and my in-laws’ house are probably the really only liberal/independent houses on the street. I told my husband we need to put out a giant COVID 19 USA death counter on our lawn, like I saw someone on Reddit had. We always vote, but honestly I feel a bit helpless bc in 2016 many thought HRC would win based on polling and then didn’t. Back then I told my husband to not underestimate the power of racism and white fear to bring out the vote for Trump bc I thought he would win based on what I was seeing around here and from some covertly racist/sexist family members. Now some of those covertly racist/sexist people have been emboldened in the last few years under Trump and they do not want to give up what they think they are gaining. A poll lead of a few points is not enough for the democrats to defeat the cult of Trump.

  4. Who ARE These People? says:

    I’m in Canada, but the new theme heard repeatedly from friends and family in the US is their horror at just how many of their fellow Americans are “stupid.” They stress that they knew there some “stupid” people but they didn’t realize just how many are “stupid.” The pandemic has really brought this out.

    The re-election of GW Bush should have made it apparent, the first election of Donald Trump should have made it apparent … it took all this ignorance, death and defiance to get people to wake up and smell the racist, science-impoverished story.

    • Jenns says:

      It’s not stupidity. And it’s dangerous to think that it is.

      It comes down to power. Power in whiteness, power in money and power in maintaining control. It worth noting that the republican party has only had one presidential candidate win the popular vote since the 90s. They know that they are losing ground with the American public. But instead of reaching out to minorities and women, or presenting new policies, they instead gerrymander districts and appoint conservative judges to maintain control. And the biggest control they have now is the Electoral College.

      It also worth noting that republicans agree with Trump’s policies 100%. They just don’t like the way he presents them. Meaning that he’s way to careless with his corruption. If he just kept his mouth shut and tweeted less, then everything would be fine.

      • Rapunzel says:

        Jenns- while I agree it’s not just stupidity and we shouldn’t think it is, please don’t underestimate the stupid of Trumpsters. They don’t understand science, or logic, or critical thinking. They don’t know what a decent source is. They don’t pay attention to facts. They don’t know the difference between fact, and opinion or understand bias and manipulation. I once had a Trumpster tell me it didn’t matter if a meme gave a fake Nancy Pelosi quote, cause “it’s what she’d say anyway.” That’s a special kind of willful ignorance and inability to accept facts that we really can’t ignore.

        I wholeheartedly agree power in whiteness is a part of things, or more a accurately, fear of losing that power, but if you took that away, most Trumpsters would still vote for him cause they are too stupid not to.

      • ChillyWilly says:

        It’s 100% about white supremacy. Trump hasn’t done Jack squat for the economy. He is a terrible businessman and is driving our economy into the ground by ignoring the pandemic. It’s disgusting.

      • Darla says:

        Yes it’s all that, but there is a lot of stupidity, and also mental illness. But not mental illness as an excuse. Severe daddy issues is what I mean. There is something about trump that can remind white people of their daddies. Their pathetic, beaten down, daddies. When he whines it’s not fair, the way he slumps his shoulders, it can trigger memories of telling the cops “no daddy didn’t hit mommy” while daddy sits on the stairs and weeps he’s sorry. This is a whole effec up dynamic here. I mean there is so much in play. That’s why I feel they are unreachable. This isht is stamped.

      • BraveLilToaster says:

        Yes. Exactly. It is crony capitalism run rampant, corporate power, and the institutionalized power of old, white, men protecting their and their buddies’ interests that is keeping them in office. It is not the stupidity of the American people. It is also a tragedy that we’re seen this way in the eyes of the world, when it comes down to the systemic inequalities and de-funding of public education by the Republican Party for generations now. It just depresses me anymore when people want to speak to the “stupidity” of the American people.

      • Liz version 700 says:

        That has been a big lesson for me. I did not realize how many intentionally stupid there are in the US

      • North of Boston says:

        Some of it is stupid, but there absolutely IS some other factor.

        Just as one example, there is a successful guy in the area who had a technology company that he sold a few years ago … for big money. He retired and bought a giant yacht, which he takes between Florida and here in Massachusetts when he’s not off doing other things. This summer, he took it up the coast, arriving here in Massachusetts a week or so ago. And when it arrived to dock in our small city, it was flying 2 giant, and I mean giant TRUMP 2020 flags.

        This guy isn’t stupid. This guy ran a complicated company in a complex industry for years. This guy was able to hire a crew and figure out how to navigate a huge vessel a thousand plus miles up the Eastern US seaboard. He’s not what anyone would call “stupid”.

        And when the local paper asked him about the flags he was flying, he brushed it off saying “he’s not trying to make a political statement, but acknowledged he enjoyed all the attention that not only his flags but his vessel have received” or as his PA said “we’re promoting fun for people”

        Yeah, sure, “fun” if you consider failing to govern to control a deadly pandemic “fun”, if you consider 150,000 dead Americans “fun” and hundreds of thousands more suffering severe debilitating consequences from COVID-19 “fun” and millions upon millions of people out of work with no paycheck “fun” But hey – smart rich guy likes all the attention he’s getting, so it’s all good, right?

        No, it’s not stupid people. No matter what their IQ, it’s too many selfish people that are the real core of the problem.

    • Mel M says:

      I was literally just talking to my husband about this yesterday. The amount of ignorance has blown my mind this last 6+ months. How you can look and listen at that man and say, that’s our guy, I will never understand and am grateful I won’t.

      I am also astounded by the selfishness both about the virus and just in general and how people are just not even pretending anymore. We had a virtual call with our child’s teacher yesterday that included all three of the grades teachers and a lot of parents. It was to introduce them and just general orientation stuff and there was a chat window to ask questions and give some tips to new parents or whatever and there were some parents I was just shocked at the stuff they were saying on the public chat where other parents and children could read. They were using it as their own personal chat and “screaming” at the teachers because they couldn’t figure out their own crap. I pray for these teachers because I could never deal with these unhinged parents. And when it comes to the virus, most people are going to do what is convenient for them and not even give a thought to those they might be affecting. And I’m talking about people who have been exposed or are waiting on tests or have symptoms. I have seen too many people either lie about being exposed or having symptoms and go ahead and continue to put others at risk because they don’t care about other people.

    • tempest prognosticator says:

      “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that half of them are stupider than that.” -GC

    • Who ARE these people? says:

      Very interesting comments. I agree about the sustenance of a corrupt and racist system. But it’s being perceived as stupidity.

    • KidV says:

      Trump has done a good job of convincing his followers that the media is evil, that MSM is truly making things up just to make him look bad. I don’t think it’s actual stupidity as mush as gullibility. And they honestly believe that we’re the idiots.

  5. You Must Be Joking says:

    And a lot young people won’t turn out for Biden even if they do prefer him over Trump. That said Biden will win this election in a landslide.

    • Esmom says:

      I have college age kids and everyone they know is ready and eager to turn out for Biden, not because they love him but they understand the need to get Trump out.

      But I hear you, not enough people get the danger that Trump poses.

    • Juls says:

      I disagree. The young people are really politically active, and might be the most willing to risk Covid to go to the polls.

    • Nikki* says:

      The Independents drive me NUTS, knowing what’s at stake, but throwing their vote away to feel smug. BONKERS.

      • cassandra says:

        I decided to torture myself and look at the 2016 state by state polls and I forgot how Hillary lost quite a few states by such a small margin-a small margin that could be reflected in the number of votes Gary Johnson ( completely forgot about him) got in that state.

      • Mel M says:

        Me too. The people i know that claim the don’t like trump but will vote for him because they don’t like Biden either are white and think they are making themselves look good by acting like they aren’t part of the cult but imo they are worse than MAGAts because they know he’s terrible and admit as much but don’t care because they think they are getting some tax break or or being protected by the GOP.

        Also seeing a headline that says “I don’t like trump but I support him. His record before Covid-19 was stellar.” Is super depressing. Someone please show me this stellar record?

  6. Marjorie says:

    I’m an engineer which means I am also a math geek. This poll is limited and biased. Anyone can get the results they want with such a small sample. Suggested reading from 1954 -”How to Lie with Statistics”.

  7. ItReallyIsYou,NotMe says:

    White Evangelical Christian here, but I did not and will not vote for Trump. But I am not surprised by this given the sheer number of Trump signs, shirts, FB posts, a pregnant acquaintance who is calling her kid a “Trump baby” (gag), and even a pool float with Trump’s face that I have seen. No one seems half as excited about Biden and that scares me because it feels like 2016 all over again. It is VITALLY important that anti-Trumpsters come out to vote for Biden or we’ll just have a repeat of 2016 and 4 more years of this BS. Don’t trust the polling that says otherwise — Trump supporters aren’t talking to pollsters and the polls are talking about straight numbers, not the way that the districts have been drawn to favor Republicans.

    • Betsy says:

      I find it hard to believe your last sentence.

      • ItReallyIsYou,NotMe says:

        I hope I am wrong about the polling more than anyone, but do you remember that in 2016 the CNN polls had Hillary Clinton winning up until election day? I just don’t trust that the Trump supporters are being represented in most polling and that could lead to complacency among anti-Trump voters.

      • Elizabeth says:

        You *cannot* trust polls. In 2016 Hillary was winning polls in Michigan which she ended up losing. Trump’s victory was not predicted by the polls.

        They are good instruments but don’t take them as gospel.

      • Betsy says:

        I realize I sound like a crank, but I think votes were changed. It just beggars belief that he’d be able to flip soooo many states, and just over the threshold not to trigger recounts. It’s not statistically impossible, but it sure feels improbable.

    • Ally says:

      I agree. Nothing but Trump signs in my neighborhood. I’m not a fan of Biden (he’s got my vote, don’t worry) so I have a “Veterans against Trump” sign out front, but I’m the only one.

      • H says:

        My HOA doesn’t allow yard signs so I put my Biden one in my window. A big FU to my Trump loving neighbors.

      • Nikki* says:

        I was terribly depressed to see about 5 huge Trump signs in my neighborhood, which I’d THOUGHT was a progressive, liberal part of NC. There are also about 5 Biden signs, but how anyone can be for Trump now is beyond me. Very. Depressing.

    • Eleonora says:

      Exactly. These statistics are always about those who voted. The perecentage would ve lower if all voted.

      Problem is, they don’t.

    • Joanna says:

      Agree with you. My area still has signs of support. I wonder if Kanye was hired by trump’s people to sway the African American vote away from Biden? Not that all AA would vote for Kanye, but I see them thinking that way. And my area is big Fox news fans, tons not wearing masks

    • North of Boston says:

      Whether you believe the last sentence or not … doesn’t matter. The message is the same.

      Vote!
      Vote like your life, and the lives of everyone you love, the lives of everyone you like, the lives of everyone you admire depend on it. Because they do.

      And if you can? Volunteer, rally, contribute … anything you can do to support Biden’s campaign and the campaigns of other Democratic candidates running for Congress – Keep the House, flip the Senate and the White House.

  8. Juls says:

    At this point, the only people that are voting for Dump are the people that are tuned into Fox news 24/7. That’s a LOT of people, its scary. That station should be banned.

    • Sankay says:

      That’s not the only people voting for Trump. The majority of voters for 45 are those that just hate liberals. I hear it from friends and family there is a venomous hatred for anyone who is aligned with liberal ideas. There’s a rant on reddit from someone Living in Missouri who describes it well.

  9. MissG says:

    Was chatting with a (white) male coworker yesterday…he is smart and most of his views are moderate. So when he said “Trump would be fine if he would just get off Twitter”, I was blown away. Like, stunned. So yeah, these poll results do not surprise me in the least.

    • Esmom says:

      Oh geez, that must have been awkward. I have a co-worker who was pretty Trumpy but Covid seems to have opened her eyes to his ignorance. So that was a pleasant surprise to me. I don’t avoid her as much as I used to now, lol.

      • Mel M says:

        I don’t understand how Covid has opened some people’s eyes when he has been the same person the entire time. He never had any experience in govt, was born into the upper class, has never made an attempt to seem caring of average people and their grievances, yet these people literally worship him. You never saw this type of cult of personality for any other president. I was watching a documentary on pbs of GHWB and my gosh, you don’t have to like him to still appreciate that at least he wanted to do the job and cared about it and wasn’t only concerned about his ratings or what shade of orange he can pull off. I can’t imagine if we had dump in office at that point in history, trying to negotiate with foreign leaders on those history changing events. Just watching these adults act like adults and how the president and govt should act was so depressing because we have gotten so used to this abnormal child and the bar has sunk so low that he can wear a mask once and people freakin praise him to high heaven.

    • Valerie says:

      lol, that’s almost like their corona argument: “If we just turned off our TVs, the virus would go away ;)

      (lol, the formatting! I can’t fix it.)

  10. Esmom says:

    The problem is the propaganda outlets that are force feeding these people (not the $75k an overs but the others) an alternative narrative that Trump is great. We can see with our own eyes and ears what an utter disaster he is but they rely on these outlets to immediately spin that sh^t into something acceptable and even admirable. And to continue to fuel the grievances that Trump is good at keeping front and center. It’s crazy. It is our downfall.

    • Sarah says:

      This is a really interesting point, I’m British and have only really ever lived here (although travelled a lot around the world with my work) and while we absolutely have bias in all our media and reporting it feels like (and feel free to disagree) that we have a stronger core of less overtly biased and shouty news, I’m thinking the BBC, etc. I can’t watch news channels when I’m in the US, I find them all overwhelming.

      • Watson says:

        As a Canadian i agree. Fox News in America is showcased like entertainment news: segments are tiny, and lots of flash. Last time i was in America i was floored that people would treat it as unbiased reporting

    • Nikki* says:

      The only reason I feel like Trump supporters are mostly less educated or very wealthy is that highly educated people usually have better news sources than Fox. It’s like Zombies’ channel. SO DEPRESSING. I literally have been seriously thinking of moving to Canada if T wins this election, though I don’t know their immigration regulations…

    • Darla says:

      Yep. I saw an old white dude in a car with a big TRUMP 2020 sticker, AND an OANN sticker, and I was like, oh man, he’s gone. Watching OANN? These people are lost, we can’t get them back, we can’t win them over, they’re sickened and diseased now and there’s no cure. We have to get our own people to the polls, that’s all.

    • BraveLilToaster says:

      This comment is really classist.

      • Esmom says:

        Please. What I meant, and did a clumsy job in shorthand, was that segment of wealthy people (honestly I think it’s people who make a lot more than $75k) know how bad Trump is and made a conscious decision to back him because it’s in their best financial interest. Other Trump supporters have been swayed by Fox and other propaganda outlets and they tend to skew less wealthy.

        In case you haven’t noticed, the income disparity gets worse every year and I don’t think it’s classist to frame a discussion around where people fall in income brackets.

  11. Edna says:

    I hope this guy is right again🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

    Biden Will Beat Trump Says Historian Who Predicted Every Presidential Race Since 1984

    https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/politics/decision-2020/biden-will-beat-trump-says-historian-who-predicted-every-presidential-race-since-1984/2382453/

    • Nikki* says:

      Edna, I saw the headline and couldn’t bear to open the article in case it was bad news. I’ve honestly been in a terrible funk and anxiety every day that Orangeman sinks to an even lower level. I’m so glad you posted this. Now let’s pray he’s right, and let’s get every vote for Biden we can.

  12. Lukie says:

    …and water is wet 🤷🏽‍♀️

  13. aquarius64 says:

    Supporting Trump during a pandemic. Talk about ride of die.

    • Becks1 says:

      Right?? Or not even supporting him – but can you imagine being UNDECIDED at this point??? What, pray tell, would help you make a decision?? Another 150,000 American deaths????? It’s terrifying.

  14. SJR says:

    God Help Us All.

    Trump is the worst person to ever occupy the office of POTUS. Ever.
    Reading the comments, I am exhausted to see that folks are seeing/hearing the same as I have from Trump supporters. I was hoping all the the idiots were just in my area, nope sadly.

    I need to go sit with my dog. She seems like the only being I come in contact with lately who still is able to be sensible.

    • Nikki* says:

      I’m so with you. His time in office has been an absolute nightmare.

      • Liz version 700 says:

        I was convinced on Election Night that we were in trouble but I could not have imagined how much trouble.

  15. emmy says:

    Well… okay then. I don’t know if this is a good poll but I do know that I get this awful sense of foreboding. I feel like 2020 has more up its sleeve for this world and we better strap in.

    He could very well win. But even if he doesn’t, he’ll continue to spew hate and nonsense. I don’t even want to know many schemes this entire family has managed to put in motion these last 3-4 years. He is excellent at distracting everyone from what his spawn is doing behind closed doors.

  16. Aang says:

    Read Dying of Whiteness by Jonathan Metzl. It sheds light on why poor whites would rather die than join forces with minorities at the ballot box. And they do die. From lack of healthcare, gun suicide, and addiction as a direct result of republican policies. But they die “white”, and white identity means more than anything to them.

    • Edna says:

      “But they die “white”, and white identity means more than anything to them.”

      And yet they rant and yell that there’s no such thing as white privilege. Yet cling to their whiteness and believe in their minds it makes them better than POC.

  17. Stacy Dresden says:

    Trump is going down. Donate to try for Senate majority.

  18. Lala11_7 says:

    Racism and sexism is a HELLUVA narcotic…

    • Betsy says:

      But like narcotics, the effects are only ephemeral and not actually all the great. I don’t get why people keep taking hits. (I also can’t remember how narcotics are taken; “hits” isn’t the right word).

  19. Aitana says:

    I’ve found the ignorance of Trump supporters astounding, actually. I read a comment above that was stressing that many, especially higher income & those that want to retain power will continue to support Trump, too. Yes, that is true. However, where I’m from, there are too many poor, white people that still support him… they have no power & are too stupid to realize all his policies are actually hurting them. It’s all so sad to witness, really. My Mom was a Grump (not a typo) supporter until this pandemic came out. She was appalled @ his lack of reaction & indifference to the suffering of so many people. I kept telling her he is a NARCISSIST, but I guess that didn’t register with her until she witnessed exactly what a narcissist does in the face of human suffering (NOTHING), & then she had a change of heart bcz this issue affected her directly. Really sad to see so many, including my own relatives, that are downright ignorant.

    • Amy Too says:

      I think it’s racism/sexism/xenophobia and crony capitalism and ALSO people who are too stupid/gullible to realize that they are NOT protected from/exempt from the racist/sexist/xenophobic policies’ negative repercussions, AND they are not going to benefit from the crony capitalist policies. It usually does take something hitting them personally to SHOW them that they’ve been voting against their own interests to make them reconsider. Things like your kid coming out as gay to you, or being hospitalized and ending up bankrupt, or everyone in your family getting Covid and having some of them die, or having their “good Mexican” friend/boyfriend rounded up and deported.

  20. TeaForTwo says:

    It’s not MAGA. It’s MAWA, and that is what we should all call it when we hear/see it.

    • phaedra7 says:

      T. H. I. S! ! ! ! ! ! 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

    • Lady D says:

      The first time I read this, I thought the W stood for wealthy. I’ve since had coffee and now understand. Also, TeaForTwo, you are right.

  21. Mabs A'Mabbin says:

    If half the country is that stupid, that blind, that hateful, that…….stuck in their own despicable notions of what’s important, maybe we should go down. Do those people deserve to live in a nation that protects its citizens? They don’t deserve anything at all. And nothing is what they should get.

    • Rapunzel says:

      Mabs- half of white people isn’t half the country. And the innocent don’t deserve to go down with the ship just to give the guiltyvwhat they deserve.

      • Mabs A'Mabbin says:

        Oh I know. I’m just voicing stupid anger thoughts. Of course I don’t think millions of Americans should subsidize their lives for punishment purposes. But I do wish there was some way to shock the crazy white people into some realm of intelligent thought. And although I’ve always been very diplomatic, I wish there was a productive way to show the idiots how and why they need to choose the right side in order for the country to move forward and dig us out of the hell hole these last four years put us in.

    • Anonymous says:

      Who is “we”? Are you including all the economically and racially marginalized individuals who would suffer the most if that were to happen?

  22. chloe says:

    I personally never believe the polls, but Trump winning just wouldn’t surprise me, he has awakened and openly embraced every racist and evangelical in the country and apparently there are a lot of them. I also want to point out that a lot of the people I know that support him that are under the 75K salary range and most of my friends that hate him are above that, so I don’t think the average of what one makes unless you are a millionaire. I think the problem is a lot of people, including me, are not happy with Biden, I’m still voting for him but I know several people (conservative and liberal) that are voting Libertarian.

    • TeaForTwo says:

      Clearly a Libertarian candidate is NOT going to win, so are your friends passive-agressively throwing in for Trump instead by not giving their vote to Biden? I genuinely want to understand their thought process here . . .

    • Darla says:

      I can barely stand Biden and never could and I will be at the poll to vote for him on 11/3, and I will risk coronavirus, and you can add in some trump thugs coughing on me, hell they can shoot at me. I’m voting for Biden. If this doesn’t end I will. I can’t take it. ANd I’m gonna tell you something, any one comes to my face and tells me they’re voting third party because they don’t like Biden, I will smack their stupid face. I’m done with this crap you special snowflakes. DONE

      • BnLurkN4eva says:

        Allow me to just cozy up next to you and when you slap and their face rocks to the side there will be my palm waiting to smack their face back to you where you can slap it again. I’m done with the nonsense too, it’s beyond the beyond.

    • Traveler says:

      Oh God, this just pisses me off…………What is so wrong with Biden that voting for Drumpf or throwing away your vote makes sense in a country on fire!!! Sorry, I’m a hothead, especially on this issue.
      Biden, like every politician, has done things you’ll agree with and some things you won’t to a greater or lesser degree. BUT……..and this is a big but, he is inherently a decent human. His actions predominantly lean towards empathy and the greater good for the citizenry at large even when we throw in some of his questionable choices.

      I have so little faith in humanity anymore, this comment just made me further depressed.

    • Betsy says:

      Tell your friends that if they’re stupid enough to vote third party, perhaps they’re too stupid to vote at all.

      • Yikes says:

        Spoken like someone who doesn’t have the slightest concept of how the electoral college actually works.

  23. Red Queen says:

    Not at all surprising. I was talking with my mother about this last night and she was asking how anyone can still support him. I told her it’s because his supporters don’t believe anything in the media (including info about COVID) because they think it’s all “fake news” and a “deep state” conspiracy to unseat him. I’m convinced that he could shoot the Pope and his supporters would still back him. It’s digusting really.

  24. Tammy says:

    We live in central Maine and I totally believe it. The amount of trump signs, hats and flag is upsetting. It’s hard to be positive that things will change.

  25. Maida says:

    This is so profoundly depressing. One of the worst things about Trump’s reign is how thoroughly it has shown up America’s racism, misogyny, and anti-intellectualism. The number of people willing to embrace insane conspiracy “theories” is staggering. I just hope there are enough of us to vote Trump and his enablers out in November and restore the country to some version of sanity.

  26. Leah says:

    One thing I learned from the trash fire that was the election of 2016: Don’t trust the polls.

    Hillary had a lock on it or so we thought and well here we are. I don’t know who this 50% of white people are but they certainly didn’t show up in Tulsa (like they would have in the past). Also in 2016, we didn’t have a deadly virus, a tanked economy and a corrupt orange puppet.

    To add: they polled “2,850 registered voters”, that’s not even a large enough sample size for a country of 350 million. What a joke. I went to a university with 40,000 students in a large urban liberal area, it had a small republican club of maybe 20 members. That club did not represent the student body.

    • Anonymous says:

      2016 and today are drastically different. As much as a lot of media downplayed Trump’s support, Clinton never had a lock on winning. She never had the lead Biden has now, and she was disadvantaged by being a Clinton and, unfortunately, a woman. There is cause for optimism. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/biden-is-polling-better-than-clinton-at-her-peak/

      • Leah says:

        I know women who refused to vote for her simply because they thought a woman would be “too emotional” to be in charge and that a man would be better because “they don’t get so emotional”. I would have expected that type of comment from a man but not other women who are educated and only are where they are because other women trail-blazed the path for them. There was a time when women were not even allowed to attend college or wear pants or vote. The women who said this four years ago are enjoying the fruits of what their grandmothers and great grandmothers could only dream about.

        Flash forward to now, trump’s emotional raging on twitter threatening to shut down tik tock because the GenZ’ers played a prank on him and that incident is more important than a deadly virus that’s killing us. He’s an unstable, angry, emotional bag of garbage that has to go.

      • Zaya says:

        In 2016, I knew a lady who supported trump simply because he had r next to his name (she doesn’t know $h1! about politics) and because he was a celebrity. She hated Hilary and questioned if America was ready for a woman president. 🙄 I will never understand the misogyny woman have for their own sex.

  27. detritus says:

    Isn’t MAGA a self own at this point?

    He’s been in office for four years, how much longer does he need?

    Also, I’m feeling very vindictive today. I wish for trump voters to attend polls in public with no masks and no social distancing.

    • TeaForTwo says:

      As a friend of mine posted in response to the new 2020 Trump banner calling to ‘Keep America Great – This is great???????????

  28. Marigold says:

    How can that even be? I don’t understand even one person being for Trump. Especially among people with 4 or more years of college??? Are people really that stupid? I guess the answer is yes. People drawn to absurd religious fervor such as evangelical Christians don’t seem to have a handle on critical or abstract thinking.

    I’m from Texas and this surprises even me.

  29. Kalana says:

    The thing is Where the f*ck is Biden?

    Staying quiet and letting Trump run himself into the ground is NOT a winning strategy. Remember Kerry? Trump controls all the headlines just like in 2016. This helps him. We’re all still his puppets being jerked around. Where is Biden?

    People need a reason to leave their homes and vote FOR someone not just against someone. Biden has been missing or befuddled in terms of how he’s handled this. Where is the buildup and support? Where is the leadership? He needs to get out there. Figure out a way to interact with people in swing states and get out there.

    Everyone who ran for the Democratic nomination get back out there and focus on getting Biden elected.

    Regular people are marching in the streets and taking tear gas and rubber bullets? Where are our leaders. Where are the united responses?

    • Esmom says:

      If you’re not hearing anything from Biden, you’re not listening closely enough. He’s been as responsive and present as he could be in this moment. He showed up at BLM protests and talked to people. Holding big rallies right now just isn’t feasible.

      • Kalana says:

        He should be grabbing headlines about his plans to move the country forward. They have a lot of well paid advisors. They need to figure out a way to grab some of those headlines. The election is three months away. This whole thing seems half hearted and like going through the motions.

    • The Blower’s Daughter says:

      I HAVE been paying attention, so I know Biden is doing a poor job of getting his message — ANY message — out. I hear far more from Pelosi than Biden, and that’s just odd during an election year. It fuels the conspiracy theory that he has advanced dementia. Why does it seem he’s in hiding?

    • Amy Too says:

      Maybe he’s waiting until he announces his running mate bc he knows that people will likely be much more excited to hear from her then from him? I don’t really know though. I also think he wants to be seen taking coronavirus really seriously so he’s not going to be doing any rallies or big group meetings (other than online) that could be picked apart for not being socially distanced or safe enough. As for why his policies aren’t being reported: he has them, he’s released them, they’re on his website, he emails me about them as a campaign supporter, but honestly, when has the media ever written in depth articles about anyone’s policies and how they compare and contrast with the other party’s? That’s not an exciting flashy thing to put on the front page and it’s always been like that. I’m really hoping we start to hear and see more of him and his VP pick once she’s been announced. I think that’s what he’s waiting for. He knows he’s not that exciting on his own.

  30. Elizabeth says:

    My mother watches Praeger U and listens to Issues, Etc. Which are the most horrifically stupid right wing propaganda machines. It is impossible to talk to her on anything politics related because she just immediately begins repeating their talking points. She doesn’t think or consider, she just regurgitates.

    Authoritarianism and resistance to change really, really appeals to the conservative mind. Trump is also anti-abortion now, which is huge. It is like the one issue my mother really cares about, to the exclusion of any other concerns.

    I am far left, due to education and reading, and I have tried to talk to her and it’s like trying to talk to a brick wall. It is truly frightening.

    • Aitana says:

      Elizabeth, I can so relate to what U just said. I was in the same boat as U regarding my Mom, & absolutely nothing I told her regarding Grump made ANY difference. It was truly astounding. But, luckily when this pandemic struck, my Mom saw how awful Grump was & even tho Grump *tried* to B sympathetic, it was so obvious he cud care LESS abt anyone’s health. Confounding as it is, this was what changed my Mom’s mind. So, she despises him now, but how that process works, I really don’t know, but I’m grateful as hell she finally “saw the light.” I hope UR Mom may have a similar epiphany. All we can do is hope & pray. I’ll keep my fingers crossed 4 U!

  31. Caty Page says:

    I’m from a major U.S. city, but I’ve been staying in a rural Midwestern town for months to more easily socially distance.

    My fiancé and I are the only Brown people for MILES. Everyone is very friendly, but initial reactions to us are always tense and terse.

    If voters here are representative of the rest of the U.S., Trump is getting reelected.

    • BraveLilToaster says:

      Racism, sexism, and gerrymandering, will for sure do their part to keep him in power, sadly.

  32. adastraperaspera says:

    Well, sadly, this President Lyndon B. Johnson quote from the 1960s is still relevant today:

    “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

  33. yinyang says:

    He’ll kill your population with his poor handling of covid but whatever

  34. Cate says:

    I share the frustration. I’m a white woman who grew up middle class and got a liberal arts degree I’m still paying for while living in a homeless shelter. Years ago, I cried (happy tears) when I watched President Obama’s inauguration. I was so relieved! It was such a spectacular moment our nation shared. I couldn’t imagine a worse POTUS than Bush… I miss him now! And the Obamas didn’t disappoint. Articulate, intelligent and compassionate during an uphill battle and a crap economy to fix. And I was never embarrassed when they spoke, went abroad… I was a proud American. I cried again when Trump… I hate to even finish the sentence… I voted for Hillary and she was expected to win… where would this nation be if the popular vote prevailed in 2016? I’m really hoping to cry some happy tears in November… and I hope Kamala Harris will be VP! VOTE!! Don’t rely on a poll to decide whether or not you have the time… It’s so important to actually VOTE!

  35. Michael says:

    I always assume the number is higher because some people lie about who they want to vote for. I have no doubt that white people (particularly white men) will vote for Trump by a large margin. I have little doubt that non-white people will vote against Trump by a very large margin.

    Just the world we live in.

  36. SheBug says:

    Oh, it’s higher than that. Get ready for four more years.

  37. osito says:

    Sometimes I feel really frightened when I take in information that’s not really news to me, but is being laid bare. I usually don’t read stories about politics in general or 45 specifically because I hate how scared I am. There was the joke in 2016 that Black people were my shocked by how bad things could get, but you know, I was. I was shocked, then terrified, then broken-hearted, then numb. I didn’t think we were out of the weeds on racism at all — I just thought that the sum total of this man’s objective deficiencies would be enough to peel away *just enough* support for white supremacy at all costs that we could squeak by. People like Mike Pence, and their silent, calm, seemingly normal sadism scared me more. But now it just seems to apparent that the rage and distrust of non-whiteness is so profound and entrenched, it’s inescapable. So I’m scared, and I hate it.

  38. Liz version 700 says:

    I am trying to be hopeful since it is at least a man this time. We don’t have to worry about all of the misogynist “no vaginas” crowd. We just have to worry about the racists, Q-crazies and the Disney villains. 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️ We can do this people!

  39. The Quill says:

    It’s scary to think your alternative is an old man with dementia. Politicians aren’t there for the people’s benefit. Globalization has taken care of that. And twitter.

    • Steph says:

      I live in Tacoma which is less than an hour from Seattle and yet, Bc we live out of the city, I see trump signs in all the farmhouses between the cities.

      I don’t understand the farmers obsession with that man! Farm bankruptcies went up by 25% over his term. And that’s WITH a bail out.

      The people that support him are definitely one topic voters.

      • MargaritasForBreakfast says:

        Not to mention the tariff/trade wars with China may have effectively ended some markets for agri products…smh

  40. JJ says:

    “ Biden beat Trump among all other non-politically-affiliated voter demographics. Biden’s largest leads over Trump occurred in Black voters by 65 percentage points, Hispanic voters by 22 points, both voters aged 18 to 34 and voters earning under $75,000 a year by 14 points and female voters and Western regional voters by 11 points.

    However, the two political rivals ran very closely when paired among three demographics in particular. Biden led Trump by only one percentage point among Southern regional voters, voters over the age of 65 and voters with more than four years of college education.

    ….

    The poll, conducted by the Washington, D.C. newspaper The Hill and the market research company HarrisX, questioned 2,850 registered voters online between August 2-5.”

    The numbers from the entire sample sound off, and going to the original article, these numbers in particulars are slanted way towards Trump, relative to other polling. This sample seems to be biased or very poorly sampled.

  41. jferber says:

    As President Obama said at Representative John Lewis’s eulogy, the mofo will with surgical precision enable those voting for him and disable those who are not. He’ll, like, have one voting machine open in each blue state large city. How is that even legal?

    • emu says:

      I can’t believe that this obvious voter suppression is allowed to happen!!! Bring back the Voting Rights Act! Get rid of gerrymandering on all sides!

  42. MargaritasForBreakfast says:

    I listen to a lot of talk radio. The number of white guys who call in to various shows and describe themselves as independent yet go on to bash the libs/dems is astounding. More than once I’ve heard these independent white guys say they don’t really like Trump but because “the media” is treating Trump so badly they feel compelled to vote for him. I don’t get how they are Trump as any kind of victim? I also don’t get why they take pains to describe themselves as “independent” when they’re clearly right leaning? Not that voters MUST be either Dem or Repub but they often give some of the flimsiest rationalizations for claiming “independence” .

    • Betsy says:

      White conservatives are some of the biggest snowflakes around. “Oh boo boo hoo they’re so mean to him! But shut up about police violence already and start following the law!” I mean that’s pretty much them.

  43. Guest with Cat says:

    I’m a devout Christian, albeit one who avoids churches (long story) raised by Christian parents who also avoid churches and we do not understand Trump’s appeal to some Christians.

    There is nothing remotely Christian about anything he champions, nor in how he conducts himself. From running roughshod over immigrants of all kinds and particularly asylum seekers, to promoting violence against people he disagrees with, and don’t get me started on his blatant racist and misogynistic attitudes, how is any of that representative of a loving and forgiving savior who encourages his followers to be loving, peaceful and forgiving? To feed and clothe the poor and widowed and orphaned. To champion the disenfranchised. I can only see Trump mocking women and the disabled and dismissing “the weak”. The meek don’t inherit the earth in Trump’s worldview. They are instead mocked and derided.

    And why don’t these Christians look at Jared Kushner and see the same soulless “demon” the rest of us see? If these people are into conspiracy theories, there are enough juicy ones about Mr. 666 Jared alone that should have them screaming away from Trump. As long as Trump is in power, so are Jared and Nagini.

    Trump is so many ugly things I don’t have enough hours in the day to list them all. I am so grateful my own parents loathe him and my mom threatened to disown me if I vote for him. Lol! She’s a feisty one. I’m so proud of her for seeing through Trump despite early stage dementia. She can still accurately call him out on all of his bullshit. She is chomping at the bit to vote his ass out. She became a US citizen just a few years ago and she treasures her ability to vote. Her first vote was against Trump and she can’t wait to do it again!

    I am sorry for those of you having to deal with MAGA loving Trump supporters among your friends and family. Over the last four years I have drifted away from the few Trumpster friends I had. I believe very strongly that my friends have a right to their own opinions and beliefs, but these friends became very toxic in how they chose to express theirs. There really is something to Trump’s cult of personality in how it distilled otherwise pleasant normal seeming people into the worst possible versions of themselves. I suppose I should be thankful for that, as it helped me no longer waste time on people who deep in their core are against everything I aspire to be in my core. It also caused me to reexamine beliefs and values I had in common with them and purge the ones that are actually unChristian when closely examined.

    • emu says:

      I agree! How can anyone religious back Trump at all? How many abortions has Trump paid for? How does he show humility or care for the poor or ANYTHING that Jesus preached?
      I think the prosperity theology among some evangelists have really warped people’s understanding of Christianity. They think because Trump is [allegedly] wealthy, he is favored by God??

  44. Andrew’s Nemesis says:

    In the UK, before the 2019 election, pollsters predicted a hung parliament or a Corbyn win. Corbynites, rapturous in praise of their idol, crowed and peacocked about the Tory crash. Tory polling was hopeless. Boris Johnson was then (as he is now) mocked and derided. 83% of British Jews like myself has our suitcases packed, ready to leave the country. The markets prepared for a run on the pound. On election night the nation paused in suspense: just how bad would the Tory loss be?
    The Labour Party crashed to their worst election defeat since 1935, losing 80 seats. We unpacked our suitcases.
    I think what a lot of pollsters and the public aren’t banking on is the number of shy voters and the inimical hatred the citizenry hold in their hearts towards the man who said ‘you win some, you lose some’ about 158,000 Covid-dead. In the UK, the North of England lashed out against the threat of Corbynism. The north had traditionally been a Labour stronghold for generations. I predict that the same thing will happen in November. Trump’s shrinking voter pool will consist in the back part of the bell curve, Evangelical nuts and racist deplorables. And he’s going to crash Bigly.

    • emu says:

      That would be a truly tremendous outcome. We can just tell him because he came in last, he’s first.

  45. Mamasan says:

    I’m an educated, disabled vet raising a grandchild on my own. I voted for Clinton in the last election which I feel was stolen from her. I was so pissed I became an independent after the election.
    This time around I refuse to vote for Trump but I truly have yet to hear what Biden’s platform is other than shooting down Trump. It makes me uneasy with all the unknowns going into the home stretch for campaigning.
    This election in November is going to be a clusterf$>&@.

  46. Busyann says:

    Hill and Newsweek are more favorable in their reporting for Trump. Occasionally I see a few headlines that are negative but they tilt more Red than Blue. I take any thing they report with a grain of salt.

  47. A says:

    Joe Biden is polling well, but around this time in the summer, four years ago, I was genuinely under the impression that Trump would lose. And then he didn’t. I’m not going to discount anything this time. It’s not done until it’s done, until the last votes are counted, until whatever crybaby protest he kicks up as he refuses to leave the White House subsides. Stay vigilant, stay cautious, and keep aware.

  48. april says:

    The good news is that 50% of whites won’t be voting for Trump!

  49. Berlin says:

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/06/inside-the-cult-of-trump-his-rallies-are-church-and-he-is-the-gospel

    This is the answer to ALL our questions about why people will vote for Trump. Cannot get it out of my mind since I read it.

  50. Sidewithkids says:

    They’re the problem. To a lot of issues in America.

  51. Mina_Esq says:

    I know a few of these folks. They like to say that they will vote Republican, rather than use the T word. But yeah, I’ll judge them forever.

  52. EviesMom says:

    I am Canadian and have a certain level of anxiety about your election which should not be there for a foreign country. But Trump is an international menace.

    The Dems should be able to run a bowl of hair against Trump & win… I am gobsmacked every time I hear that it is a tight race.

  53. Anabe says:

    Let me be absolutely clear that I loathe Trump and everything he and his mindless, willfully ignorant, prejudiced, racist, deplorable followers and party stand for. That being said, I am 100% sure he is going to win again and I am trying to be mentally and emotionally prepared for it because I find the prospect utterly terrifying and disheartening.

  54. Bonnie Anne says:

    I read part of a transcript of a podcast where one of the men — the founder of a conservative magazine, I think — was trying to understand why people still supported Trump. One of the responses he got (paraphrasing here) was “You don’t get it. We don’t really care what he does. We don’t particularly like him. He’s our weapon.” Emphasis on that last word – weapon. For his supporters, Trump is weaponized whiteness. I’ve been trying to wrap my brain around how anyone could support him, and this really struck a nerve. White people, especially in the South, have been groomed over several generations to think of themselves as better than any other group.