FF: Prince Harry wanted to ‘do more work’ but Prince Charles wouldn’t support it

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There’s a fascinating section in Finding Freedom where the “falling out” between Prince Harry and Prince William is analyzed through the issue of funding from Prince Charles. Before the Sussexes briefly had their own office in Buckingham Palace, they were clearly unhappy with sharing the same office with the Cambridges at Kensington Palace. No surprise there, since Harry was convinced (rightly) that William’s people were throwing him under the bus. The separation of the Sussexes and the Cambridges’ offices was seen as a necessity to give the brothers some breathing room, although Harry and Meghan’s desire to have a completely independent office was vetoed, and they were given space at Buckingham Palace. Prince Charles was (and is) still largely funding both of his sons AND their work, even if one brother’s work is practically nonexistent.

Prince Charles, who funds many of his own public, charitable and private activities through the revenues of his private estate, the Duchy of Cornwall, “controlled the purse strings,” which also caused some of the issues between William and Harry. The brothers sometimes had to vie for additional funds for projects from their father, who also helped cover expenses related to Camilla and some of those for his sons (including Kate and Meghan’s wardrobes). “They actually genuinely have to debate who gets what amount of money from their father to fund their projects,” an aide said. “Add in the fact that there is an inherent hierarchy and that is really tricky.”

“While Charles may be a father to Harry, he’s also their boss, and that makes their relationship complex for a number of reasons,” a source added. “Charles is extremely focused on his public image, and there have been times Harry has felt that has taken precedence over everything else.”

Harry wasn’t the only one who had a complicated relationship with the Prince of Wales. “The boys can be hot and cold with their father,” disclosed a source, who gave the example of planning the photo session for Charles’s seventieth birthday, which they called “an absolute nightmare.”

“Neither William nor Harry made much of an effort to make themselves available,” the source said.

A second aide, who had been involved in meetings on the brothers’ futures, explained, “Where you are born in this family dictates your position of power, and because of that, Harry has always come second to his brother, especially when it comes to funding. There were times in the past that Harry wanted to take on bigger projects and do more work, but he couldn’t get the money to support it. William was always the priority. A lot of their quarrels have been over budgets. That’s what happens when you are in business with your family.”

[From Finding Freedom: Harry, Meghan, and the Making of a Modern Royal Family]

Before Meghan came around, it was always said that both Harry and William had a tricky relationship with their father, not so much because of money, but because of Charles’ focus on “his public image” even if that means throwing his sons under the bus as well. Meghan was said to have smoothed things over between Harry and Charles, and then William got jealous and suddenly he wanted to be close to Charles too. It was a smart move on Charles’ part to play his two sons against each other, although clearly, Charles unleashed something he couldn’t control. And at least we now know that from the jump, Harry and Meghan’s good ideas and work plans were vetted and vetoed by Charles, because William’s lazy ways took precedence.

FF goes on to say that despite Charles giving William a structural and monetary advantage, “Harry and Meghan were already propelling the monarchy to new heights around the world. The Sussexes had made the monarchy more relatable to those who had never before felt a connection,” and behind-the-scenes, courtiers were debating about whether the Sussexes should be brought further “into the fold” so they wouldn’t eclipse the monarchy itself.

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  1. Priscila says:

    “A second aide, who had been involved in meetings on the brothers’ futures, explained, “Where you are born in this family dictates your position of power, and because of that, Harry has always come second to his brother, especially when it comes to funding. There were times in the past that Harry wanted to take on bigger projects and do more work, but he couldn’t get the money to support it. William was always the priority. A lot of their quarrels have been over budgets. That’s what happens when you are in business with your family.”

    I wanna hear more from this aide. Finally, a courtier who is not stupid! Yay! Give him/her a raise, Chuck!

    If they could do a book on this terms, and not this whole ” Harry feels this, harry feels that” I think it would be better.

    Facts, context, names- let the reader decided. If you just write about conjectures of how people felt, then it is either rumour or—you cannot say ahwt you want to say, which is a shitty way of writing a book.

  2. Onerous says:

    I just fail to understand this family’s willingness to cut off its nose to spite its face.

    A popular Harry & Meghan only benefits the family as a whole, but because they’re all preening for attention, they cannot stand it! They’d rather cut them out than allow THEM to benefit the Monarchy. Short sighted and stupid seems to be the way they always handle things.

    • Dinah says:

      The Windsors aren’t the smartest (monarchy), never have been – it’s a bunch of lazy, weird relics, disconnected from reality – but the people they hire to run their family and working business are the biggest idiots: a bunch of amateurs and backstabbers who play power games all the time with and for their masters. They can only behave as they do, because it’s validated from the top of the institution; staff perform as the leader(s) allowed them to.

      The only conclusion one can draw is that Lizzy is a very unskilled, uninvolved leader. What leader always a(n) company/institution/family to operate so poorly for so many years, without doing the necessary clean up and putting the boundaries? And to make the same mistakes over and over again when girlfriends and wives enter that family (business)? It looks like she is very indifferent to these women’s mental health and well beings.
      What this new biography again shows is how uncaring and loveless this family is to its married-in kind (Diana days 2.0). I’ve lost every respect for Lizzy and her RF. It’s really time for her to go.

    • Chica says:

      I really think this is a left over from the previous days of how their monarchy behaved. A popular non heir could easily get the heir or the monarch overthrown or killed, in order for them to be replaced with someone seen as more palatable to the public, and/or court. They don’t want to deal with the comparisons at all, which is why they had to create a toxic and denigrating narrative as H&M to the world as to not here the H&M should be FFK&Q.

      Charles has already had to contend that narrative with W&K, but W&K only just started gaining momentum per the smear campaign.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        There was nothing “easy” about overthrowing a monarch in the olden days – it generally involved war, often setting off decades of civil war. Just ask the Yorks and Lancasters.

  3. Lemons says:

    When you can’t get funding from the family business, you look for outside funding. Makes even more sense that they left to make connections and take on projects that will finance their charitable endeavors.

    These people are so lucky they were born rich because they clearly cannot manage their affairs.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Harry has been earning outside funding for his charities since he was 19.

    • Dinah says:

      Harry is the most successful royal to find fundings for his projects (oke, I give some credit to Charles too for funding his charity, the Princes Trust. But that took him a lifetime to do). Look how he start his latest project Travalyst: he partnered with the biggest players in the industry. And what about Invictus? What a success! Sentebale, his first foundation, is running for almost 17 years now; he and the other founding prince managed to find fundings from the start, till now. So yeah, when all the haters and royal reporters keeps screaming that Harry won’t be able to make money to support his family, because he never had to as a prince, they are telling a lie. Harry is well connected, so is Meghan. They don’t need the Windsors to go forward, for that matter.

  4. Sofia says:

    The Windsors have had messed up relationships between their parents for generations, more specifically the heir and the monarch (or future monarch in this case) Even if Diana never happened, Charles and William may not be super close and have a loving relationship. I think a lot of that is to blame for the type of family they’re born in (as well as just general dysfunction which again could lead to the family they’re born in)

    I just hope William and George have a good relationship.

    • MissMarierose says:

      Whatever one might say about the Middletons, they are a close and supportive family. Hopefully, William and George will learn from that family’s relationship and not the Windsor’s dysfunction.

      • notasugarhere says:

        You say ‘close and supportive’ I say co-dependent and dysfunctional.

      • Nic919 says:

        Carole placed Kate above the other two and that’s always dysfunctional. It’s why Kate is so much lazier than her siblings because the catch a prince plan was goal number one to the detriment of the rest. So both sides have a bizarre hierarchy and that will not only mess up George but it will also affect Charlotte and Louis.

        The one thing the Middletons do manage to do is not go to the press and turn on each other… that’s a Windsor specialty.

      • anotherlily says:

        They are an ‘enmeshed family’ which is why none of the Middleton offspring has achieved adult independence. Enmeshed parenting stunts a child’s development.

    • Tessa says:

      william needs to have a good relationship with his other children. They need attention and purpose in life too.I think it’s too late for William to learn and I’m not hopeful about George.

      • Nic919 says:

        The entire fallacy to the hands on mother nonsense was that when you are surrounded by sycophants and a bizarre hierarchical system, there is no way for siblings to not be dysfunctional in some way. The Middletons aren’t any better because Kate was placed above the other two and that creates resentment of some form.

        There is no hope for the Cambridge kids to be ok unless they left the BRF. The system is too corrupt and dysfunctional to create anything but people who get rewarded based on birth order and privilege and no real understanding of consequences of the outside world.

        Every single generation shows dysfunction and it won’t change unless the parents take the kids out of this system … I.e. what Harry and Meghan did for Archie.

    • Alexandria says:

      Uh Carole, really? Encourage Kate to change college to pursue William? Wait 10 years to be on stand by? Tolerate William’s cheating and put downs? Both her daughters rarely worked. James Middleton? I don’t know what he is doing now. He’s having mental health issues too but of course to be fair, that may not be due to Carole.

      Relationship between Doria and Meghan seems to be what Harry and William are missing.

  5. Becks1 says:

    Ah. So if this is true, it definitely adds another big layer to Sussexit and the whole financial independence piece. Many of us assumed it was because they didn’t want to be beholden in any way to William when he’s king. But now it seems they wanted to get out from Charles as well.

    I can also see this being a big circular fight – Harry wants to do more, take on more, asks for more funding – Charles says no outright or asks William, and the answer is no, because it would make William look bad, and even Charles doesn’t want that – so Harry gets angrier, he and William have words, William complains to Charles, next time Harry asks Charles says no, rinse, repeat. And Harry just gets angrier and angrier because he’s being held back and William and Kate are barely working.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Add in William trying to steal the funds Meghan earned through Hubb. Last years financials about how Meghan and Harry were bringing in the funding, W&K were only expensing. Not only did William not want Harry to get funding for any projects, he wanted to steal whatever funding Harry and Meghan earned on their own.

      • Becks1 says:

        Right?? No wonder H&M wanted to separate from that foundation and the Cambridges.

        Its like so many other things with William – he wants the credit (or here, the money) without putting in the work. Like you were saying yesterday – he wants the money and PR and adulation that comes with being king, but he doesn’t want to actually be king .

      • Amy Too says:

        That makes the Hubb kitchen project funds being stolen an even bigger deal. If Harry had to fight very hard for funding for the Hubb project in the first place, and then it’s so successful and making enough money for them to roll into further projects (thus negating the need to go ask Charles for more funding), then I can see how Will trying to take that money for his own projects (or for whatever reason) would be even more of a slap in the face. Harry and Meghan finally find a way to keep working without having to get funding/approval from Charles and William, and then William tries to thwart that as well. It’s adds a whole other layer of insult and injury.

        Also, they keep saying things like “we needed to find a way to bring Harry and Meghan more into the fold so their projects would reflect well on the RF and not just on them.” They were ALREADY part of the fold. They were working members of the royal family. Everything they did was for the RF. It all looked as if it was being done for/on behalf of the royal family. How could they have been any more “in the fold”? Unless they wanted to officially change their names to “HRH the Duke and Duchess of Sussex brought to you by the British Royal Family.” I don’t get that. Maybe do more projects WITH them. Maybe support their projects openly. Maybe publicize and advocate for their projects on all your social media and in interviews so that everyone is constantly reminded that anything they do is supported by, and thus reflecting well on, the institution.

        Smearing them, bullying them, shutting down their work, stealing their funding, and publicly attempting to humiliate them at every turn does NOT harness their popularity and power for the benefit of the royal family or bring them “more into the fold.” It others them and makes it seem like they’re working and thriving IN SPITE OF the RF. It pushes them out, they leave, and then everything they do really is no longer on behalf of the RF, but literally just for themselves as Harry and Meghan. Especially when you tell them they can’t be working members of the family in any sense or use their HRHs for their work. These do not seem like the actions of a firm that wishes to make sure the work of their most popular members is tied to the firm in public perception.

      • Travelin says:

        What a good analysis.

        They are just now considering that they should have brought them “more into the fold”. They were there! Representing the family! But the competing interests kept the others from promoting HM initiatives. Think about it, they could have worn one of the work clothes or handbags from the line Meghan designed. Or promote the cookbook. Or travelyst. But nope! They must leak mean things to the tabloids and complain that they are interfering with their coverage. Or downright release something at the same time even if it was planned in advance. And the favor could be return. What a novel concept.

        Instead of working together to make them all look good they felt like HM popularity took away from them. So they attacked and smeared and actually drove them out.

        And for Charles to make the boys compete for funding. So bad. Why not set them up with a budget? If you must favor one then make his slightly bigger. But I guess he prefers the control and to make them grovel. Interesting that neither son was willing to cooperate for photos. It might have been some of the only leverage they had.

  6. OriginalLala says:

    Finding Freedom is really showing just how toxic the BRF is, how incompetent they are, and frankly, how much the monarchy needs to end.

  7. S808 says:

    I cannot imagine the frustration of wanting to do more but not being able to cause your older brother is the priority and he’s not doing anything. This is one of those instances where Harry got out for himself and why he won’t go back.

    • Noki says:

      It is like having that Manager that is great at deligating and does the bare minimum,but shows off when the owners or shareholders are around to take all the credit.

      • JT says:

        That’s what I don’t get. What projects did William do that needed funding over Harry? I can’t think of any initiatives from Will. Meanwhile, Harry has Sentebale, IG, Headshot, and Travylyst ( no idea how to spell it). Precedence should only be followed when you have something to show for it. If Will has nothing, the funding should have gone to Harry.

      • MA says:

        Let’s see, there’s that anti-bullying initiative that ended in a speech where Williams openly says he achieved nothing, the sailing event, that engagement that was literally him riding a motorcycle, and let’s not forget the culmination of his decade long fight against mental health: watching a football match.

  8. Noki says:

    So was William mainly jealous because of their popularity or their work ethic which would make him and his wife look even worse? I doubt if Harry wanted to work more than the Cambs had he remained single they would have cared as much,it is the fact that Meghan(inteligent,great speaker,passionate,bilingual,driven) truly highlighted how mediocre HIS choice in wife was,so again making HIM look bad.

    • TeamAwesome says:

      A lot of Harry’s work before marriage flew under the radar when it came to engagements being counted in the court circular etc. The doubled star power of Team Sussex makes it much harder to keep Harry in the shadows.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Harry private charity work (Sentebale, InvictusGames) weren’t counted for years. Nor was his 3X a week volunteering at MOD rehab.

  9. Amy Bee says:

    Harry and Meghan basically said one of the reasons for leaving was so that they can do more work. However, this new information does have me wondering about the Royal Foundation’s funding. If Charles was funding their projects it probably means that some of the money in the Royal Foundation’s coffers really comes from Charles and not donors. The new 1.8 million COVID Fund comes to mind.

    • OriginalLala says:

      There have been whispers about the shadiness of royal finances for years – I wish journalists dug into that instead of freaking out about Meghan’s nail colour.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Charles topped up the donations to W&K’s wedding fund for the Foundation. The public didn’t care about their wedding, they couldn’t even raise 1 million. Charles took around 300,000 worth of Prince’s Trust money (highly questionable) and sent it their direction, to make it look like the public cared a million worth about W&K.

      Harry’s Sentebale and InvictusGames have always been separate from the joint Foundation. Those are private charities not controlled by House Windsor.

      We still haven’t seen any details about the yacht race last year, meant to be W&K’s big fund raiser moving forward. Odds are it didn’t raise anything, while all the work was done by external entities with W&K showing up for the photo op.

      • Amy Bee says:

        Information about the Regatta is in the Royal Foundation 2019 report. It raised 490,000 pounds, primarily from sponsors because admission to event was free. The majority of the money, after paying 30,000 to a sports management company owned by the foundation’s Chairman, went to Kate’s Early Years Programme. It received £392,464 whatever remained was given to other 7 charities.

      • Becks1 says:

        What did she do with almost 400k for the Early Years? The survey?

      • Nic919 says:

        That amount to Early Years should be broken down much more. It’s crazy that it isn’t and the accountants did the bare minimum to meet the filing requirements.

    • Alexandria says:

      @Amy Bee, didn’t Catherine Quinn explicitly say she left to do MORE charity work!? Hahahahah that’s pure SHADE.

      If Ms Quinn is lurking here I would like to say if she shills a book about her time with WK I’ll buy it!

      • Nic919 says:

        I’m sure she would have great stories but she’s too professional to do that and she would be blackballed in the UK because the establishment still strongly protects the Windsor family, even if they are incompetent.

      • Alexandria says:

        Agreed Nic919, she’s a professional.

  10. Snap Happy says:

    I think Harry and Meghan were looking for fairness in an institution that is inherently unfair. The courtiers/RF will always fall back on the excuse, that the monarchy does not have to play by any rules other than their own.

  11. Berry says:

    Instead of fathers throwing sons under the bus and brothers throwing each other under the bus, why don’t they all just shut up and do their work?

  12. taylor says:

    So he has to compete with his brother for funding (a competition he is likely to lose because of hierarchy), but he also can’t earn his own money to support himself or his projects (like his father, because hierarchy). Has no spare before Harry had ambition? After 1000 years of this institution, how are issues like these not resolved on a structural level?

    • Ennie says:

      Gentlemen did not use to work, er… held a job. Ladies, much less than that.
      Margaret was a spare, I don’t think working, actually doing things that was the issue. Other royal uncles and aunts have quietly gone about their ways, receiving funding and doing smaller stuff, not all that,
      Charles wanted a streamlined monarchy, but his brothers -sister are firmly entrenched into receiving $$, too. I don’t think they’ll go without a fight.
      As terrible as this sounds, Elizabeth’s longevity and obsession with nit giving up the crown, is probably a double edged sword to her own institution.
      Charles should have been king for a few years now.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        I read that Charles will never get rid of the Princess Royal because Anne is willing and seems to enjoy doing the bread-and-butter stuff no other British Royals really want to do,

        Anne is formidable so I doubt Charles could get rid of her unless she wanted to retire.

      • Becks1 says:

        I also think Charles likes that Anne just…..works. At this point in time, she’s not messy. Sure, her kids benefit financially a great deal from her, but they aren’t on the sovereign grant and overall, Mike Tindall escapades and Peter Phillips milk sponsorships aside – they aren’t really messy either. And Anne and Charles grew up together and probably have a very different relationship than they do with the other two, given the age gap.

        She shows up for all the big palace events, she does the bread and butter engagements, she does a few international trips a year – I doubt Charles even wants to sideline her.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        “I doubt Charles even wants to sideline her.”

        That is exactly what I think. However,

        I keep reading that Charles wants rid of Anne, Andrew and Edward when he ascends the throne in the name of slimmed down BRF, However, due to Sussexit, he will now be “forced” to Anne & The Wessexes until the Cambridges kids have completely finished their educations. Of course I think this theory is BS but a very entertaining read for the gossip troll that lives rent free in my head.

        All CBers with inside knowledge: Is true that Phillip mandated the Wessexes stay as working royals as Edward is his favorite son?

      • Becks1 says:

        @Bay – I don’t know if it was Phillip but I know that a few years back there was a great deal of pressure exerted to keep the Wessexes on, Phillip would make sense.

        I think Charles always would have had a hard time sidelining his siblings. Removing their children as working royals is probably the next best thing in his mind. And then Andrew is now out (although still has the perks….), Anne could keep working forever with very little press attention (like the Gloucesters) – but the Wessexes are trickier, because they are younger. Anne could gracefully retire at 85 and it wouldn’t look like she was “sidelined.” But it would be a different look for Edward and Sophie.

        Oh well, that’s Charles’s problem, not mine, lol.

      • L84Tea says:

        At this point Charles HAS to keep Anne around, because Lord knows he’s got to have someone in that family who actually gets off their lazy a** and works. W&K certainly aren’t jumping through any hoops to do the bare minimum.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Harry has always earned money for his outside charity projects, like Sentebale and InvictusGames. Those are separate from royal control.

      He might have had to compete for funds for Well Child, Endeavour Fund, etc. Now he’s taken Endeavour Fund, which was always his project under that foundation, and moved it under Invictus Games so the Windsors cannot touch it.

      • Amy Too says:

        I’m wondering if this is part of the “we have to bring Harry and Meghan into the fold.” I wondered up above about how they could possibly be more “in the fold” since they were literally members of the RF, so everything they did reflected on and helped the family. But now I’m wondering if it was these outside projects they were talking about that really were just Harry‘s personal projects and not RF projects. But a good way to “bring him into the fold” would be to give him the funding he needs to do all of these projects within/for/on behalf of the RF! Duh. But if he’s getting so little funding and supporting that he has to go off and do personal projects with his own private fundraising, then that’s a problem. Especially if the RF’s stated goal was to bring him more into the fold so that his popularity would reflect on the BRF and not just on Harry, the person.

      • Royalwatcher says:

        @Amy too – this was a courtier saying this “into the fold,” so my interpretation is that they meant they wanted more control over H&M to force them to work LESS so as not to show up the heirs. “Into the fold” spoken by a courtier = (IMO) more control, shut up and do what we say, stop questioning the system, get in line. I don’t in any way think they meant “more royal” or anything like that.

    • Alexandria says:

      This is a modern issue not a 1000 year old issue. Royal families around the world did not need to do charity work for PR and survival. They just existed and lorded over people. Liz has been around for a long time so she just keeps doing what she has to do, nothing more nothing less and not to upset the status quo. Go along with whoever is in Parliament. I think she was like…just let Charles figure out the next move or strategy for the fam, I’ll be dead anyway lol.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        I think she left it to her courtiers as she always does.

        Throughout her reign she has always left everything to the courtiers and/or Philip prior to his retirement.

      • Alexandria says:

        Baytampabay, I think that’s it. She just lets the men in grey do the strategizing. Philip reigned in much of the family’s antics. Queenie is many things but she’s not an astute strategist top CEO type A, and as many observers here said, she doesn’t like to confront. Her reign is very dependent on the courtiers. She takes her role seriously but she relies on her team for longevity. It is far easier to do multiple bread and butter events and let the British public take a picture with her once in a while, than to be an actual changemaker (British Vogue doesn’t count). She’s a follower and sometimes, a puppet. To an extent yes, she is not supposed to provide her opinion on many topics and rock the boat. However, she has shown that she or her team can change the narratives and issue stern warnings to the press. They did not for HM.

  13. ABritGuest says:

    This adds up. Tom Bradby said when the engagement was announced that money, popularity and status was something that the Sussexes would have to navigate so it’s probably been a long standing issue with the brothers.

    Guessing this is more of an issue for this generation as they wanted to do more project stuff than the bread and butter engagements- ironically following Charles lead on passion projects.

  14. morrigan01 says:

    Seems to be a Windsor-thing where the fathers and sons NEVER get along. IIRC, this actually goes all the way back to the Hanoverian days, and George I and his son. George V and Edward VIII were the peak of that whole thing. Until now I guess.

    • MaryContrary says:

      Actually Queen Victoria did not get along with her heir either. I think it just shows again how outdated the whole concept it and should just be abolished.

      • morrigan01 says:

        Victoria AND Albert didn’t get along with Bertie (future Edward VII). Victoria even blamed him for Albert’s death. So on Bertie’s end, he got it from both his mom *and* his dad.

        Charles has a LOT in common with Edward VII in that regard too I think. Not just having to wait forever for his mother’s reign to end before he becomes King.

        I remember during W&K’s wedding a British historian saying William and Harry were the closest pair of Royal bothers ever and the bad father-son relationship thing with the Windsor/Hanoverians didn’t seem to be on the level it has been in the past with Charles and either of his sons. Ooops. Guess not. On both counts.

  15. Snuffles says:

    I can only imagine the mounting frustrations Harry had when William was given precedent when it came to funding and William barely doing shit. What projects was he trying to find? Anything that was notable, Harry was also significant part of. So I can only imagine Will asking Dad to increase Kate’s wardrobe budget.

    I can also see “go getter” Meghan going bonkers and thinking she could do a better job of finding money and support for their projects if only they were allowed to. And if it was allowed by The Firm she could have gotten ENDLESS clothes, jewelry and other accessories on loan for public events without having to spend a penny. EVERY thing she wore sold out in minutes. Designer would fall over themselves to dress her. That’s how it’s done in the entertainment industry.

    But back to Charles and money, maybe he should have made more of an effort to encourage Will and Kate to get off their asses and WORK before he ever gave them a penny. Harry was a hard worker. Meghan was a hard worker. Charles, Anne, Phillip and the Queen also worked hard and kept busy.

    How could NONE of this rub off on William and Catherine. The only reason I can see is that he was constantly coddled and cow-towed to. I’m picturing Will threatening to abdicate every year unless he got his way. I think deep down Will doesn’t want to be King.

  16. Ennie says:

    They could not make more projects or engagements than Won’t and Kan’t.
    Harry and Meghan were ready to work, and did. I wonder if all the necessary visits to create the Hub book were counted as royal work.
    I don’t have the number, but Harry never surpasses Will in numbers, and now we clearly know why.
    Some harp that Meghan did not work so much, but she was barely there. She got married and had a few weeks off, later, she was pregnant and all the royals have like one or two months off around Christmas, they cannot be singled out without making all others look bad. Later, she had maternity leave. Add two international trips overseas, a few secret projects announced after they were sone.
    I think she was working just fine. She did not have the grace of being “eased” into the job, nor I think she’d want that.
    Keennis still getting comfortable i to her iwn skin after a lifetime of getting used to it, and some still make excuses for her. It would be totally fine if they were fair to Meghan. That she made mistakes? Stupid things, “women stuff”, that have been done by several other royal women without consequence.

    • notasugarhere says:

      The majority of Meghan’s work with Hubb, the 100+ meetings she had before selecting charities? None of that counted in the Court Circular.

      • ennie says:

        true, she wasn’t “official” yet, and some hateful people are using those numbers against them.

      • Becks1 says:

        Meghan’s work was way undercounted in the CC. I went and checked a few months ago (eek maybe in December or so) and there was nothing listed for her last summer – maybe an engagement here and there, but no meetings were listed. Except she guest-edited the September issue of Vogue and the Smart Set came out in September, so we know there WERE meetings, but they weren’t listed. now maybe it updated and changed, but considering Kate counts meetings with Poor Jason – its definitely meant to make the Cambridges look better.

    • Lizzie says:

      Yes, Won’t and Kan’t are stupid besides lazy. They could have just sat back (gone on multiple vacations) and let Harry and Meghan work because they are very good at it.

  17. Aang says:

    Grown men with millions of their own pounds asking their father the pay for their wive’s clothing. And the women go along with it. Anyone else find that disturbing?

    • Ennie says:

      All of them benefit. The queen is one, if not the richest woman and she gets paid I have no idea how much, has horse breeding and racing as a hobby, gets to wear Incredible jewels that were looted from poorer, dominated countries. Remains of imperialism.
      All other monarchies benefit their members, but the British seem to have a lot if hangers on. Maybe the rules should be clearer.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      Charles paid/pays for the clothing worn by Kate and Meghan to official events as neither Kate or Meghan are/were allowed to accept freebies or loaners. Any clothing worn only in a private capacity is paid from a different source which is probably the annual allowance received by the Sussexes and Cambridges from Charles. QEII gave Sarah Ferguson York a dress allowance when she was married to properly attire herself for official events as Andrew literally had no money of his own that was not “tied-up” except for his naval pay.

      Footnote: Though I have been told I am wrong, I still believe the BRF receives discount on their clothing only paying “wholesale” as opposed to full “retail”.

    • notasugarhere says:

      The clothing for tours and everyday bread-and-butter work, that’s work expenses. All of the royals use taxpayer funds for this. Princess Alexandra, Duchess of Gloucester, Duchess of Kent, Sophie Wessex. All of the clothes they wear at royal events are paid by the taxpayers via the Sovereign Grant.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @nota – Thanks! You stated it much better than I did. The dress allowance given to Sarah Ferguson York must have come via the Sovereign Grant.

    • Alexandria says:

      Working royals get work clothing allowance. It’s not unusual.

    • Lizzie says:

      They are expected to wear expensive clothes to public events that they would not otherwise need to own. So it make sense to me that the wardrobes are paid for by the duchy of Cornwall.

    • BnLurkN4eva says:

      The firm is a supposed to be a business and in this case Elizabeth and Charles are in charge of the treasury and responsible for things like expenses and salaries. If Charles is still funding them, it falls under the heading of retirement salary. When you have a family that raise a person from birth to be supported financially in exchange for representing said family, this is how things work. Harry is supposed to be working towards becoming independent, but that doesn’t happen to anyone overnight, not even regular people. If We are lucky, we are supported by our family until we get out their and starts earning a independent living.

  18. Beach Dreams says:

    This must’ve been so frustrating for Harry. It’s one thing having your older brother take precedence (it’s a hierarchy of course), but for your brother to basically sit on his ass (oh sorry…except for watching football while pretending to do “work” for mental health) and keep you from working just so he doesn’t look bad? *And* your father is happily enabling this? Disgusting.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Why do you think Harry founded Sentebale at 19 with Prince Seeiso? He didn’t found it with his own brother AND with Seeiso. He founded it only with Seeiso. He’s been building his own charity profile outside of royal work for years.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      I think Charles found it easier to say “no” to Harry than having to deal with William if he said “yes” to Harry.

      • Prayer Warrior says:

        A prime example of when doing the easy thing instead of the right thing comes back to kick you in the ass.
        You have a kid, he’s crying, you give him a cookie to distract him then wonder 20 years later why he’s obese….cause kid learns to self-soothe with cookies.
        @BayTampaBay is 100% on the nose…Charles is no leader, set no limits on Wm’s behaviours, there are no consequences for bad behaviour and those examples are set in stone (andy) AND THEN puts Lazy Wm ahead of Hardworking Harry. A recipe for disaster. And I repeat, a prime example of when doing the easy thing in the moment instead of the right (and always hardest) thing comes back to screw you in the end…..

      • Sid says:

        I can see that being the case Bay. But then really, if he said no to William what would happen? William can rant and rave and threaten to leave all he wants. It’s empty threats. What’s he going to do without the BRF? I doubt the inheritance from his mother and great-grandmother would be enough to fund his and his family’s lifestyle and security needs forever. Not to mention it’s probably all in trusts with lots of restrictions on how and when money can be used. He and Kate aren’t go-getter types who would be able to figure out how to earn a comfortable living. I guess he could work his network of aristo friends for housing, access to private planes, etc., but for someone as arrogant as he seems, how long would that last? He needs the BRF as much as they need him. Charles needs to start putting his foot down.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @Sid – Charles does not like confrontation nor can he negotiate IMPO, especially the negotiate part. Charles is incapable of putting his foot down as Prince Philip very often did. Charles is a doer not a leader.

        IMHO, Harry would not go to the tabloids and leak things about his father. William would go to the tabloids and leak BS or repackaged truths about his father that were just nasty enough to cause Charles semi-major public embarrassment but not enough to “destroy” the monarchy. It has been said many times that Charles is very concerned, almost obsessed, with his public image.

      • Sid says:

        @Bay, so Charles is just like his mother and it will be another 30 years of courtiers fully running the show. Good luck. And honestly, I expect that once Charles is king and William moves up, there will be mutual under-the-bus-throwing in order to try and keep the media beast fed and off their respective backs. I know Charles is image-conscious but now would be the easiest time to bring William to heel. Once he moves up and has full access to the Cornwall money, I doubt he will be listening to anybody.

  19. aqubbb no llarius64 says:

    At the end the monarchy comes first and that was a mistake. And the House of Windsor is paying for it.

    • Prayer Warrior says:

      Your first sentence is GOLD…at the end the monarchy comes first…..which then becomes the end of the monarchy! I love this!!

  20. BnLurkN4eva says:

    The whole way things are set up with the Firm is so outdated and continues the same in order to keep them firmly established in Britain. They are not trying to be of real use, and they don’t reward hard work and talent, which is why for people like Harry and Meghan who wish to serve others in various capacity leaving was the right decision. No matter how successful they became it wouldn’t be appreciated and in fact it seemed to have been frowned on because it was them, (6th in line) achieving it. The so called Firm isn’t really a business, it’s really a dysfunctional family posing as a business to keep collecting money and remain in exalted positions of power.

  21. Catherine says:

    “Prince Charles was smart to play the brothers against each other….”

    He’s been doing it for decades, THATS their father and that is Prince Charles being Prince Charles.

  22. L4frimaire says:

    Im just starting the book so there is a lot more complexity and behind the scenes info just getting wind of. Despite being a modern democracy, these guys really still operate behind the scenes like it’s the 17th c., pitting family against each other and rigid hierarchy I haven’t read this part yet but if they were worried H&M would eclipse the monarchy, maybe the monarchy is the issue, not them. Also, this couple likes to work.

  23. Lizzie says:

    I read a fascinating book about corporate teamwork. Featured a car dealer who reached out because he wanted his sales force to work together. After multiple meetings he would not back off of a yearly competition for a free cruise and they just flat out said then you do not real want teamwork. Fostering competition will never result in teamwork, family or no.
    Sad to see a father do this to his sons.

  24. yinyang says:

    Foolish Harry, don’t you know when you do more work you set precedence. Wouldn’t want that for the royal family.

    • ennie says:

      It’s like that new employee who gets scolded by the older ones to not work, because ehe’ll put everyone on the spot

  25. Deborah says:

    I find it incredibly annoying that I cannot find a way to read the comments. Why do you make it so difficult for people to read the comments?!