Michael Moore warns: the enthusiasm in Donald Trump’s base is ‘off the charts’

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Even though the ratings were down for the Republican National Convention and even though the RNC was largely a criminal enterprise in blatant violation of the Hatch Act, I still expected Donald Trump to get a “bump” in the polls. It happens every four years, regardless of how dystopian and death-culty the Republican Party is these days. Democrats get a polling bump from their convention, and Republicans get a polling bump from their convention. Plus, most swing voters “decide” who they’re voting for in September anyway, so we’re already going to see some frustrating and infuriating polling coming out over the next few weeks. Enter Michael Moore, who is still here to scare the bejesus out of everyone:

The documentary film-maker Michael Moore has warned that Donald Trump appears to have such momentum in some battleground states that liberals risk a repeat of 2016 when so many wrote off Trump only to see him grab the White House.

“Sorry to have to provide the reality check again,” he said. Moore, who was one of few political observers to predict Trump’s victory over Hillary Clinton in 2016, said that “enthusiasm for Trump is off the charts” in key areas compared with the Democratic party nominee, Joe Biden.

“Are you ready for a Trump victory? Are you mentally prepared to be outsmarted by Trump again? Do you find comfort in your certainty that there is no way Trump can win? Are you content with the trust you’ve placed in the DNC [Democratic National Committee] to pull this off?” Moore posted on Facebook late on Friday. Moore identified opinion polling in battleground states such as Minnesota and Michigan to make a case that the sitting president is running alongside or ahead of his rival.

“The Biden campaign just announced he’ll be visiting a number of states – but not Michigan. Sound familiar?” Moore wrote, presumably indicating Hillary Clinton’s 2016 race when she made the error of avoiding some states that then swung to Trump.

“I’m warning you almost 10 weeks in advance. The enthusiasm level for the 60 million in Trump’s base is OFF THE CHARTS! For Joe, not so much,” he later added. He continued to voters: “Don’t leave it to the Democrats to get rid of Trump. YOU have to get rid of Trump. WE have to wake up every day for the next 67 days and make sure each of us are going to get a hundred people out to vote. ACT NOW!”

Moore cited CNN polling of registered voters this month to assert that “Biden and Trump were in a virtual tie”, including a poll that showed the pair tied at 47% in Minnesota. Moore said that Trump “has closed the gap to 4 points” in Michigan.

[From The Guardian]

Moore is a Bernie Sanders guy and he doesn’t care for Joe Biden, nor did he care for Hillary Clinton. It reminds me of some analysis I saw in the months following the 2016 election, which was that male commentators were obsessed with the “enthusiasm gap” between Clinton voters and Trump voters, but they never took into account the fact that those same male political commentators often shouted down or dismissed the millions of (female) voters who were genuinely enthusiastic to vote for Hillary Clinton. I feel like the same thing is happening here – the talking point will be the “Trump voters are very loud, mega-salty and violently butthurt and they’re all going to storm the polls.” Meanwhile, millions of voters are quietly thrilled to vote for the Biden-Harris ticket, we’re just not arming ourselves with AK-47s and shrieking about it on Facebook.

That being said, I don’t completely hate the fact that Michael Moore and others are raising the alarm. It IS true. DONALD TRUMP COULD TOTALLY BE RE-ELECTED. I know all of us have ulcers and migraines and our stress levels are through the f–king roof, but it has to be said and there’s still time to work to get the Biden-Harris ticket elected and GOTV.

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  1. Lightpurple says:

    No, Michael Moore, we aren’t confident about anything, and we need you to hush.

    • Megan2 says:

      1. I passionately dislike Michael Moore. Like, deeply dislike him. I didn’t like him even before he went to the first Women’s March, talked over his time, and basically tried to make it into a “White man showing up to help the ladies learn” event.
      2. I have no confidence. I am stressed every single day about what is coming in November. I’m so grateful to be Canadian, even if I do live in Alberta with a Premier who seems to be auditioning for the role of “Baby Trump in Canada’s Texas”. And even so, living in Canada, I’m terrified.
      3. Once again, Michael Moore sucks.

      • SM says:

        What is the point of this comment? Truly? I am not a fan either, but at this point someone telling not to trust that a bad situation will resolve itself and calls for active participation and involvement from anyone should be welcomed. This vote will be decided by those who can be persuaded that in this situation Biden is the right choice, the lesser evil. The 2016 election result was such a shock to many (among other things) because people would just go “I don’t like him/her so I will just disregard everything he/she has to say”. Seriously, this is how “obvious” wins are lost. And don’t be naive about it, Trump has real chance of fixing himself a win.

  2. Cocococococo says:

    I am not American but am fearful of what will happen in the November election. Trump’s supporters are not deterred by any of his antics and he himself is doing everything he can to undermine the democratic process. Even if he loses, he will not go quietly and his supporters will be not take the result with any grace.

    • Myra says:

      Same. That’s also a good point you make about his supporters when he loses. They are literally like a cult at this point. It really takes a lot to deprogramme people from political brainwashing but it can be done, especially if criminal proceedings are started after his removal and his crimes laid bare

    • Mari says:

      I just viewed a comment posted by a friend in response to a post on a pro-Trump site. There isn’t a shred of morality in any of them. Toxic masculinity, allegedly defending the unborn, but hey, it’s okay to sexually assault them once they’re a certain age. Black people aren’t even people to these guys. Dems are just baby killers and pedos to them. They are filthy, nasty, vile, hypocritical assholes. I hope they’re all sterile.

      Vote Blue!

  3. Liz version 700 says:

    Can we return him to sender. He is so arrogant and so annoying. Can we get others to raise the alarm?

  4. Laalaa says:

    I am not American, and my opinion doesn’t matter, but the media covering your elections here in Europe seem even more sure in Trump’s win than 4 years ago. And we are not happy.

    • emmy says:

      Same. I also find that for example the German media are absolutely sh*t at covering Trump. They try to stick to their factual, neutral coverage and in the process, the sheer insanity and criminality of this man and his administration get completely lost. I’m horrified whenever they start with “His critics/opponents say” NO! These are facts, not allegations!

      • Allie says:

        Not sure what you are reading but SPIEGEL, ZEIT and SZ are very vocal in telling it like it is: that Trump is a dangerous lunatic who could easily get re-elected and that Republicans are useless.

      • emmy says:

        Have you watched Tagesschau etc lately? FAZ has also only very recently started to be call him out explicitly. And even those you mention use the “he’s accused of being a racist” etc. He is a racist and there’s tons of evidence. Language matters and those who don’t follow US media read these things differently.

    • MommaDawna says:

      Send Help.

  5. Jess says:

    I don’t like Moore but I agree – I live in Wisconsin and am from rural MN and the people who love him and continue to think that white conservatives are the most persecuted group in America are out there and so loud. I also just read an article about my reliably blue MN possibly going red for Trump if Biden doesn’t visit there. If Biden doesn’t focus on these close states that are trending red (ugh), like MN, WI, and MI, we’re screwed. I used to live in Texas and every election Dems were convinced this was the year TX would turn purple and it never did, so Biden needs to worry more about the rest belt and the midwest and less on Texas. I’m so terrified this is going to be the end of America as we know it.

    • Jess2 says:

      I live in Wisconsin, too! I was not confident before, but I drove from southern WI to northern WI this weekend to see my parents and now I’m downright frightened. The insane amount of Trump signs on the highways AND in rural yards made my stomach turn. I counted only 1 Biden sign the entire 5 hour drive, and only 2 Biden yard signs.

      I’m really scared.

      • Jess says:

        Hi Jess! Northern Wisconsin is all in on Trump. The key will be getting voters out (and voters being able to vote) in the cities. I love Wisconsin but it’s so sad that there’s so much support for such a hateful person here.

      • sassafras says:

        Same in rural Texas. But again, it’s like those maps that show all the middle of the country red. It looks impressive but the # of voters in those counties are like one precinct in Dallas County. We have to GOTV in the cities. BIG TIME. Signs don’t have a vote.

      • SC says:

        @Jess and @jess2 What can those of us who live outside of WI do to help? Are there groups that you know of in the cities who are reliably getting out the local vote and addressing voter suppression? I think this comes down to the local groups and it is hard to tell outside of a state who to support with funding.

    • STRIPE says:

      Texan here and I agree – Texas is flipping this election or in any elections in the near future. It makes me want to scream when I see Biden spending time/$ on the state. Focus on the swing states and don’t repeat 2016 mistakes! Ugh. I’m scared.

  6. Mabs A'Mabbin says:

    I don’t like him, but I’m with him on this 100%. Every day I have to face my fear as I find myself mentally preparing for a shit stain win.

  7. Maida says:

    Trump’s base are cultists who will do anything for Dear Leader. We get it, Mr. Moore. I don’t know anyone who feels complacent about the election right now, notably unlike 2016. How about you stop scolding the people who are working to elect Biden and focus on why it’s essential to vote Trump out? Use your giant megaphone for good.

  8. BlueSky says:

    “Don’t leave it to the Democrats to get rid of Trump. YOU have to get rid of Trump. WE have to wake up every day for the next 67 days and make sure each of us are going to get a hundred people out to vote. ACT NOW!”

    WTF does that mean??? Is he out here encouraging people to register to vote or volunteer??? I despise this man. Stoking fear and despair and not offering a solution. I believe he wants Trump to win so he can prove a point of “this would not have happened if you all nominated Bernie.” MM is also wealthy so regardless of who wins he will be fine.
    He also predicted Romney would win in 2012 and Bush would not get re-elected.

    We are not stupid. Of course he could get re-elected but what are YOU doing besides stoking fear.

    • cer says:

      MM is also one of those people who’s focused on enthusiasm for Trump and not paying attention to the fact that even if voters aren’t enthused for Biden they’re very enthused to vote out Trump.
      I get the point that we can’t look at nationwide polls and take anything for granted.
      But MM’s such an arrogant white guy that it’s hard not to roll my eyes at him.

      • IMUCU says:

        I hope there are more people enthused to vote out Trump. All of my family and my neighborhood is still ride-or-die for Captain CooCooBananas. I am worried, even if we have the popular vote, the electorate may go to Trump again.

  9. minx says:

    Moore routinely predicts that Democrats will lose, it’s his thing. He predicted that both McCain and Romney would win.

    • Liz version 700 says:

      Yes and when he was right on Trump everyone forgot his 6 previous errors and declared him a soothsayer

  10. grabbyhands says:

    I don’t like Michael Moore either, but he’s right.

    There should be literally no state that is off limits for a Biden visit – I don’t care how red they are. The Democrats don’t have the luxury of counting out any vote this time and god help us if too many people think it is just going to be a slam dunk on Election Day.

  11. Nina Simone says:

    The problem is I don’t live in a swing state anymore. So I somewhat feel powerless. I’ve been donating a lot but I’d love to be able to GOTV and drive people to the polls. Any ideas?

    I’m also having some PTSD. In 2016, I lived in Pennsylvania and was a Hillary volunteer – phone banked, knocked on doors etc. We worked so hard and it’s still a shock we lost that state.

    • MarcelMarcel says:

      First of all, I love your handle @Nina Simone

      I’ve been donating to the legal aid and bail funds of BLM activists. (definitely not as much as I should because impulse online shopping has spiked for me during COVUD-19). I find most of it thru trustworthy left wing activists on Insta. Anyhow social media can be a great way to find grassroots organisations to connect with.

      I’m in Australia and I’m terrified. We tend to follow the USA’s political lead.
      It’s heartbreaking how many First Nations People have already died in custody. There loads of amazing BicPoc activists fighting here for change but not enough White Australians are willing to do so yet.
      Anyhow protesting here and donating when I can helps me hold onto hope.
      I think connecting with community strengthen our ability to build a better future together. I’m sure you’ll find an amazing way to help people vote.☺️

    • lucy2 says:

      You can still phone bank and do other volunteer things for swing states from out of state.

      Reclaim Our Vote, Vote Save America, and Postcards to Voters are campaigns doing that. You can also sign up to volunteer nationally for Fair Fight 2020, fighting voter suppression. I’m in NJ which is pretty solidly blue, and have been doing postcards, mainly to Florida, for months now. It’s helped me feel less powerless and more involved, I highly recommend it!

  12. Other Renee says:

    I read Moore’s dire warning over the weekend and I could feel the clenching in my gut. The evil that emanates from Trump and his cronies makes me sick. We can’t take another four years of this. But with the Republicans willing to do whatever it takes to win, including lying, bribing, stealing, invalidating large numbers of legal ballots and making it impossible for certain ethnicities to vote, I am seriously nervous.

    I keep asking myself WHY. Four years ago my Mom said that this was the last stand of the angry white man to hold onto power in a country that is changing and where eventually he won’t be part of the majority. Four years later and this is still true. The anger on BOTH sides terrifies me for our future. Trump is preying on our fears by pointing to places such as Portland and saying, “See what happens when Dems are in charge? Elect me or this is YOUR future.”

    • Mrs Robinson says:

      What (also) worries me are the people who wouldn’t admit it publicly, but will vote for Trump in secret out of selfishness/fear/racism/xenophobia. I fear there are way too many of them.

    • april says:

      I agree with both of you!

  13. Snuffles says:

    This election will be decided by Independents and each parties ability to recruit new voters. I’m looking at AOC as an example. All polling had her WAY behind but she won because she got NEW young people who don’t typically vote to come out and vote for her. That’s what the Democrats need to do.

  14. OriginalLala says:

    Watching this unfold from Canada has been, and continues to be, terrifying. Trumpist-style politics is taking hold here as well and I’m furious and scared. I can’t even imagine what 4 more years of this could unleash.

  15. Amando says:

    He’s right, Trump could and probably will get re-elected. Not only is his fan base is large and loyal, but Trump will do everything in his power to keep Biden voters away from the polls. I personally don’t trust the mail-in system so I will be voting in person. I’d rather risk getting the virus than to see Trump re-elected, as scary as that sounds.

    • Miranda says:

      I know a number of people who plan on voting in person, who aren’t so much scared of the virus, but terrified that Trump’s supporters will be hanging around polling places with guns. And I don’t think those fears are unfounded.

    • Ginger says:

      Fill in a mail-in ballot and hand deliver it to a poll or designated drop off point. You can look up your locations online.

      • Hoot says:

        @Ginger – That is good advice. Do not trust the mail service with the problems they currently have.

        Also, call friends and relatives to verify they are registered voters. It helps if you can get even one person registered! People are still able to register online until early to mid-October, depending on the specific state (so check yours).

        Originally from MI, I still have many friends and relatives who live there. Most of the ones who voted for Trump have soured on him over the past two years, and they are NOT voting red this time. This gives me some hope. Although we may not like Michael Moore as a person, he is calling attention to facts. We must do whatever we can to ensure Trump is not re-elected.

  16. Eugenie says:

    I don’t like him, but like others have said here. And I’ve being saying all along, he’s right. I live in PA and those who aren’t from PA- it’s Philadelphia and Pittsburgh with a whole lot of Alabama in between. All I’ve been seeing are Tump signs and rallies at the Walmarts. I’m worried. This is NOT a done deal! We fell into this trap in 2016- thinking that of course people aren’t going to vote for Trump and believing the polls. Believe me the Trumpers will come out, even more this time around! And there are silent Trump voters. Don’t forget about them. They came last time and you can guarantee they will come out this time. Vote. Tell everyone to vote!

  17. Lala11_7 says:

    Folks in MSM are so COMPLICIT and USED to caping for Whyte Supremacy that they view EVERYTHING through THAT default filter…there’s a deadly pandemic with 1000s being infected and dying everyday…millions are without work and there’s not enough work to get…Black folks keep getting executed with impunity…Moore et al KEEP spinning those 2016 optics with Trump being a juggernaut over Hillary…and THIS AIN’T THAT!

    That fear and enthusiasm tactic swings BOTH WAYS!!!

  18. Lunasf17 says:

    He was right about 2016 and Trump winning while I (and many others) naively thought there was no fing way Trump would win. I read his warning this weekend and I think the dems need to pay attention and not settle in to an expected victory. Anything that can be done to help Biden win needs to be done.

  19. Ann says:

    He’s right. Get ready for another 4 years. I was fighting to be optimistic but I’m fresh out after this weekend. If Biden wins it will be a pleasant surprise but the chaos that is to come with either outcome is going to be historic, to say the least. I’m legit looking into what it takes to move to another country.

  20. Ragna says:

    I’m not from the US, but I can’t help but feel, like some other Europeans I know, that T-bag will be re-elected.

    I’d prefer to be proven utterly wrong, I really would.

    But I don’t trust your electoral service, I don’t trust your voting process and honestly? I don’t trust the vast majority of you.

    I wish rather than a two party system that you had a multi-party one. Maybe that would have mitigated the disaster you’re in a little.

    But you don’t. And I don’t trust most US voters, I hope Burden wins and I hope it reveals serious voter fraud in 2016. I truly do.

    I’m not even on your continent and I don’t want T-bag to win.

    • M4lificent says:

      There is nothing in our Constitution that requires a two-party system. We can and do have other parties, as well as independent candidates. However, most of the time they don’t have enough backing to be viable candidates — especially at a national level.

      Candidates like Bernie Sanders (who started out as an Independent) typically have to caucus or run with a party because the party is a center of organization, money, and power. However, there nothing structurally in our government that limits us to two parties. It’s just how politics has evolved in our country.

      And in the US, we don’t vote for parties, we vote for individuals. So, there is nothing to keep any voter from “mixing the ticket” and voting for a Republican senator, a Democratic president, and a Green Party governor on the same election ballot.

    • Betsy says:

      Your country’s intel services – and no, I won’t even hazard a guess as to where you live – undoubtedly have audio, video or intercepted emails and the like of these people criming.

      And I sure wish they’d share the goods.

  21. Tanguerita says:

    yep. At this point i am absolutely sure that he will be reelected. I think we just need to accept the fact that Trump is what America is about. He is the pure and unadalturated embodiment of USA. Everything else is an abberation. I feel sorry for all the good people who will suffer because of this, but it is what it is, you know.

  22. Rapunzel says:

    Fear is a helluva drug, and Trump is blatantly selling it. So let’s not get complacent. But I’m convinced Trump will do something to destroy himself soon. Moore isn’t taking into account how reckless Trump is getting. He’s going to Wisconsin against the Governor’s wishes. He can’t help showing his true colors and the more he recklessly he courts violence, the more likely he’ll cause something really bad to happen that will really hurt his campaign.

    Also, that Wolkoff woman writing the Melania tell all is supposed to have tape of Melania bashing Trump and Ivanka. If that tape is released… I see bad times for Trump.

    They are desperate at the GOP. There is a reason for that. I’m not convinced Trump’s doing that well. Encourage turnout, and keep hope alive.

    • Betsy says:

      I agree with you. Michael Moore is an a$$, he hates the Democrats, and has spent years generally being a jerk and missing the point. Trump’s supporters are still die hard nuts for him, yes, but he *has* lost support. He has no room to increase his support, either. He’s wrecked so much and so many people know he’s a complete fraud.

      *I fully believe the Russians (or perhaps just the GOP on electronic machines) changed votes in 2016, that while all of this horror occurred, it was not the truth. It may happen again, but not if we vote overwhelmingly as we did in 2018. The GOP is scared.

  23. Edna says:

    I drove through southern Maryland to Richmond, Va. through red Trump country. Four years ago on the same drive I saw dozens of Trump signs. Yesterday, I saw only four and one Biden-Harris sign which shocked me. Unfortunately, a handful of swing states will decide this election for the rest of us. And Trump could very well be re elected and that should scare us all. The only sliver of hope is if the Dems can hold the House and retake the Senate….then checks and balance can be restored and they can impeach and remove him from office.

    • JanetDR says:

      Here’s the thing about signs: Trumpsters post them and hang their huge flags. People who are voting for Biden are not so loud and in your face about it. I have really strong political feelings and I have never posted a sign. I feel it is like yelling at your neighbors.
      Grateful that I live in a rural area and don’t have to see such signs across the road or beside my house, I would lose my mind!

    • sassafras says:

      I live in Texas and we have one house in my neighborhood that flies a Trump flag. The neighbors have quietly put up BLM and “Hate Has No Home Here” signs, which is HUGE in Texas. Signs don’t get to vote though. Put your money and efforts into GOTV.

    • Betsy says:

      Yep. His support is definitely softening. Everyone has their breaking point. It’s horrible for how many people he hasn’t reached their breaking point yet, but some peeled off when he made it clear that he wasn’t going to govern for all, for some it was the kids in cages, for some it was the open treason (pick your event; there have been several), for some it was pretending there’s no pandemic as we all responsibly live our lives in our homes as much as we can. He is not some infallible bogeyman; we are BIGGER AND BETTER THAN THE GOP.

  24. SamC says:

    Joining the chorus here, not a Michael Moore fan but totally fear he is correct. Biden supporters seem equally as incredulous that Trump could get re-elected, as much as people disliked Hillary they seem ambivalent about Biden, which might be just as bad, and if he is skipping the states Hillary did, shake on him and his campaign for not learning anything from the last election or from Obama. You cannot do the old school type of campaign any more, they have to evolve.

  25. Cassandra says:

    That’s voter intimidation right? That can’t be legal

    Not that it matters and I’m sure there will be idiots with guns at polling places.

    I REALLY hope Trump loses Florida. He already stated our mail in ballot system is great, so he can’t fight it

  26. BnLurkN4eva says:

    I am so scared all the time now. I’ve never felt this level of terror in my life and what’s worse I don’t trust those around me anymore. All my coping tactics are failing me and I’m desperately trying not to give in and just give up. I know we need to fight, but it’s so hard because you keep wondering, who are these humans you are living around? Where’s their heart? Why didn’t I see this is who they are before? I truly didn’t think there were so many terrible people in the world, I guess history should have prepared me, but it’s been a constant shocker these last few years.

    I don’t trust the ballot, I am voting in person and take my chance with the virus and gun totting MAGAs.

    • Nilestheninja says:

      I just have to say that I could have written your comment myself. I live in the Metro Detroit Suburbs-like rural/upper middle class. I know that I am surrounded by MAGAts but I also have started seeing Biden signs sprinkled where there had not been Clinton in 2016. I am cautiously optimistic; I used to be a High School Teacher and I am working to remind former students of the critical nature of this election-not telling them who to vote for, just making sure they are registered to vote and have requested absentee ballots if they don’t plan to show up. As for me, I am going in person and driving as many people to vote and drop ballots at the Registrar’s Office as I possibly can. Its terrifying and have severe anxiety. How can there be so many people who look at what he is doing and who he is and who he surrounds himself with that think, “yes..that is my guy!”?

      • abby says:

        Thank you for for doing what you can. I grew up in the Detroit suburbs and I haven’t gone on Facebook in ages because my feed is clogged with former classmates who are all MAGA, and it is frustrating, scary, and bewildering.

      • BnLurkN4eva says:

        You are doing great. I am helping people get signed up to vote and I’m a driver on election day for pick up and drop off. We have to NOT give in, but it’s really hard. I know I’ve been naive because I truly thought people were better than this. I truly didn’t think so many people I know were this.

        @Abby, it’s like looking at a stranger when you realize people you know and thought were normal and decent are MAGA, it’s a disconnect. Like, how do you support this and not realize what that says about you? Why don’t you care about what that says about you? I don’t know how to do this, one day at a time I guess.

  27. MsIam says:

    I think that in 2016 Trump was unknown quantity and to some people a novelty. He doesn’t have that advantage anymore. So I think his base is not necessarily the same folks that voted for Trump last time, I think it’s shrunk to the core of true believers. As for the Bernie people including AOC and my congressperson Rashida Talib, I’m disappointed with their apparent lack of enthusiasm for Biden. If Bernie had won the nomination, they would expect everyone to be all in for him. Why doesn’t the door swing both ways? I know I will remember this the next election. I doubt if Bernie runs again but these two and the rest of the squad will.

    • Betsy says:

      AOC has been very smart and has distanced herself from “the squad.” She’s been supporting Biden since at least April. She just got to nominate Bernie the not a Democrat at the DNC in honor of the fact that she’s clearly a rising star in the Democratic Party,

  28. A says:

    Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. That’s the motto here. You can’t go wrong with that. I don’t blame Michael Moore for scaring the pants off people in this way. This stuff is scary.

  29. Lindy says:

    I definitely think Trump can get reelected. The people who love him love the newfound freedom they have to be racist, hateful, and misogynistic out in the open. They’re not going to want to give that up.

    Additionally, I don’t think many of us are taking the Qanon threat seriously enough. If you’re not following Steven Hassan on Twitter, you should check him out. He’s a mental health professional with decades of experience working on cult behaviors. Those of us on the left have tended to dismiss QAnon as crazy conspiracy theory nonsense.

    Not only is it being aggressively promoted by Russian trolls and bots, it’s actually eating into Christian evangelical congregations, moving into innocuous lifestyle Instagram influencer culture, and sucking in huge numbers of people who even just a year ago you never would have expected to go full cult.

    It’s pretty terrifying and I don’t know how you combat it, because once people have swallowed it completely, there is no information or data that can be used to contradict them. (That’s why Hassan is so interesting–he’s done work on cult deprogramming).

    They will absolutely vote, every single last one of them. and they are all deeply convinced that Trump is the chosen one who will protect America’s children against the Democrat child trafficking rings.

    Here’s a good article from a reputable source talking about the rapidity with which this is spreading:


    Another one worth reading:

    • Betsy says:

      I really wonder how a President Biden would be able to set about deprogramming so many people who have been in a cult.

      Let’s be honest though. Q is just the next step in the Fox/OAN crazy progression. The warning signs have been there for years but a lot of people have persisted in their belief that “both sides” are equally at fault. Not on your tintype they aren’t. Thanks for Steve Hassan’s name.

  30. sassafras says:

    Of course Trump can be re-elected. But there were so many people that gave him a shot or stayed home because they didn’t like Hillary. I think that same group of people will have to come over for Biden this time. I pray. If they’re still voting for Trump, then they can’t use Hilary as their reason. They have to say to themselves he’s actually done a good job and how can anyone do that looking at 2020?

  31. pottymouth pup says:

    rabid ideologues tend to be extremely & loudly enthusiastic at the idea they could be in the position to stick it to everyone who doesn’t bow down to their beliefs & in their support of someone who pledges to put them in a position of power. I really wish that Bernie bros like Michael Moore & John Cusack would just zip it, they do more harm than good

  32. Katrine Troelsen says:

    Have you ever heard of the expression “dont kill the messenger”? That is what 96% of all yall are doing. Moore was right in 2016 and he could be right now. That message is horrible. But just because he is perceptive, doesnt mean it makes sense to dislike Moore.
    Thats killing the messenger. And you need to focus on killing Drumpf instead.

    • cer says:

      I am perfectly capable of understanding that we can’t presume Biden is going to win with no longer admiring Michael Moore. Looking at what he’s done recently, and that’s even before 2016, for me it makes sense to find him annoying and often dis-likeable.

  33. laura-j says:

    For those of us who want to help from home here the four organizations I’m letter writing and post carding with. All have scripts.

    Postcards to Voters – One of the first organizations, they have different campaigns going on all the time. At the moment they are sending postcards to Florida voters to sign up for vote-by-mail. The great thing about this one is that they are automated. You text a bot and ask for addresses to postcard to and it sends them to you.

    Flip the West – Working on Senate campaigns in the Western states.

    Reclaim our Vote – A big sophisticated operation to register and re-register primarily people of color.

    Vote Forward – Mail letters from home focusing on getting out the vote in swing states. Need a printer.

    All of these are very simple and are just the cost of postcards and stamps, I’ve already done 150 postcards and will be postcarding and mailing until Election Day. It’s a bit of slog, but if you are watching tv, do 15 postcards a day and it really helps.

    Hope this helps everyone.

  34. CityGirl says:

    This election has me frightened to my core. I too will go vote in person, covid, maga be damned.

  35. Liz version 700 says:

    I live in MD not a swing state. I am donating to Senate races we need to swing to get the Senate back to reign in a would be King as well as Biden who harassed me for money a lot like a lot. And I volunteered to make calls for Biden to swing states. I hate making calls. I have never made calls before but I am this year. Screw MM and anyone who tells me I am a complacent democratic. I feel like I am doing whatever small part I can to help fight for our country. The racists are loud. Democratic Women need to be louder.

  36. jay says:

    I live in Washington, DC and even here you see Trump signs. And you don’t have to go far into the DC burbs of VA and MD to find them either. Let’s be clear–these are not just people working in the administration. They are people of all races, sexual orientations, young/old, you name it. I just hope all of the folks marching and protesting will have that same enthusiasm when it comes to election day.

    • Liz version 700 says:

      Me too I keep asking if you can be strong and brave enough to match and risk tear gas surely you can make a plan to vote? Ps to all I have a major migraine today and I noticed my grammar is umm very Non standard …apologies. Now Kamala has texted me 2 times today and Obama wants to know if I got his email. I would love to know if the RNC fundraising emails are as melodramatic as the DNC gah Nancy also wants to know if we can have a word

  37. mosia says:

    I felt that way for couple years now.. Im from Poland, where it feels like we are even in fron tof USA when it comes to psycho leaders outright propaganda and idiocracy. And this year we lost our elections, not by much, but enough, country deeply divided, getting further from european and liberal values, dont know where we will be in 4 more years, and Im terrified to see if USA goes the same route, it will not only be detrimental to the USA, all other idiots feel empowered by dumb cheeto.

  38. Mel says:

    Why do people act like Trump won in a landslide in 2016? He lost the popular vote by 3million and we were stuck with him because of the electoral college. We have to get out and vote in a landslide of blue. VOTE!!!

    • Christin says:

      Exactly! He was behind in polls but kept stirring the pot (with help from “but her e-mails!”) during the final days of campaigning.

      It’s all going to depend on people besides the cultists making the effort to vote, and not throw away votes on any third party candidate.

  39. Tiffany :) says:

    NOTHING is written in stone yet. We all have a responsibility to donate and volunteer our time and energy to making sure Biden voters get to the polls.

    Don’t let anxiety or despair make you ineffective. Don’t let fear paralyze you and prevent you from taking ACTION.

  40. Mary says:

    My enthusiasm to vote against trump is off the charts.

  41. JanaTHING says:

    Really? Because the morons in my neighborhood haven’t even put their signs out yet; and they had them up in July of 2016 and left them up for a solid year, just in case we needed a reminder that they were stupid.

  42. Lilitel says:

    European here : unfortunaley a lot of europeans are convinced (and terrified) that Trump is going to win again. The DNC has done a big mistake and a big disservice to the USA and the world by appointing someone as weak as Biden to oppose Trump.