Prince Harry & the Windsors are ‘not as fractured as the tabloids would like it to seem’

Britain's Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex (C) is introduced to performers as he leaves after attending  the annual Commonwealth Service at Westminster Abbey in London on March 09, 2020. - Britain's Queen Elizabeth II has been the Head of the Commonwealth thro

The Sussexes and the Cambridges: are they talking or not? I say they’re not. I think Prince Harry totally checks in with his father and grandmother, but for the most part, Harry and William are taking a big break from each other. Which is healthy! I think after all of the sh-t that went down from 2017 until today, it’s perfectly healthy for the brothers to give each other the silent treatment and take a big communication break for a year or two. The unhealthy choice, to me, would be two brothers still living in each other’s toxic pockets as both men are in their mid to late 30s. But because of Robert Lacey’s book and just the everyday, relentless psychodrama of the British tabloids, we have to constantly check in with Harry and William and create these fantasies about how they’ll eventually soften towards each other.

Meghan Markle and Prince Harry are making strides when it comes to both their personal lives and their careers. A source tells ET that the couple has gotten closer to Harry’s family during the coronavirus pandemic, and are also getting ready to show the world more of their passion for the causes they support. Amid tabloid reports about continued drama among the royal family, our source says the reports are exaggerated.

“A lot of the family-specific drama that the tabloids are focused on, it’s not as fractured as the tabloids would like it to seem,” the source says. “The pandemic has brought the family closer together.”

The source also says Meghan and Harry are excited about the work they’re doing after moving to Los Angeles. The couple has been publicly supporting a number of important causes to them, most recently, celebrating International Day of the Girl with Malala Yousafzai. They joined the activist for a video call on Sunday, where they discussed the barriers preventing 130 million girls from going to school.

“Like any family that’s starting a new adventure, they’re quite excited about everything,” the source says. “They’re firmly focused in their nonprofit and the work they’re doing. They are really committed to their work right now. You’re going to see a lot more of the duke and duchess in the coming weeks and months,” the source adds.

[From Entertainment Tonight]

“The pandemic has brought the family closer together” - where and how? Is this Sussex PR saying that there’s no big drama? LOL. That’s kind of funny to think about, if it is coming form Montecito, because the British tabloids have absolutely created this parallel royal universe where the Windsors are disgusted with H&M 24-7. And Harry just breezes by Entertainment Tonight to say “actually, everything’s fine!”

As for the nonprofit – likely called Archewell – I hope they do launch everything this year. We need some good news!

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  1. Chic says:

    I guess the Windsor’s realize that this “payback” is not showing them in the most positive light.

  2. Snuffles says:

    Nah. I could see them keeping up with Granny and Dad and a number of cousins but I think it’s total silence with the Cambridges. At most I see Harry sending presents to the kids for their birthdays.

    • Oh says:

      But did William send present to Archie birthday? If not, then why would Harry bother himself and send presents to the Cambridge children?

      • CC says:

        Why should Harry stoop that low and cut himself from the kids? The drama is between the brothers, and kids shouldn’t be brought into this mess (even if one party already did). Uncle Harry/Aunty Meghan is probably the best thing to have happened for the kids, especially when they grow up.

      • Oh says:

        If my brother does not accept that my child is existing and does not send a present for his birthday, why should I bother myself and be the nice person?? I don’t care, if I was Harry I would treat their children like they treat Archie

      • Lady D says:

        It’s not the children’s fault, but they will suffer with this attitude. When they go low…
        When my nieces were little I would spend about $100 on them at Christmas. In return, my brother and his wife would give my son a one dollar chocolate bar. My son was little and happy with his chocolate bar, my nieces looked forward to mine (and my sister’s) gifts so much, because their parents had little. I’m glad that I could give the girls that joy at Christmas, whether my brother reciprocated with my son or not.
        Ftr, I wasn’t too happy with their gift, they could have put a little thought into it, but I’ve never said anything. It would have just hurt the kids. Don’t make children pay for their parents behaviour.

      • Snuffles says:

        Maybe Harry isn’t petty and doesn’t see the need to hurt innocent kids just because their Dad is a jerk.

      • Oh says:

        Why would the children be hurt if Harry didn’t send them presents ?? Lool They don’t need it. God alone knows what W&K say to their children about Harry and Meghan.. At the polo match the two older kids never interacted with Archie.

      • Bloemheks says:

        It would depend on what their relationship was prior to the fall out between the brothers and whether Williams kids cared specifically about anything Harry did for them for special occasions. If they do care, then I can’t imagine Harry not doing what he could to ensure they still know he cares without offending W&K. You don’t punish children for their parent’s behavior, but you also don’t need to try and manufacture a close relationship if it wasn’t there to begin with. If it didn’t mean much to them before then he likely has staff who pick out and send gifts and cards which they may have already been doing for years, because that’s what’s done. I don’t see Harry as a petty person. He’s still going to do the polite and proper thing. Kids grow up. Maintaining some kind of positive contact just gives them a path to come to you for support later when it’s not always up to mom and dad.

        The idea any of it should have anything to do with whether W&K do the same for Archie is silly. Archie is a baby. He doesn’t know or care whether he gets gifts from KP. If the brothers remain distant he likely will never care, because a relationship was never established. Archie’s non-relationship with KP doesn’t need to have anything to do with Harry’s relationship with his nieces and nephews. It might hurt Harry’s feelings a little, but you put that aside and do right by the kids if you know they would miss something from you. If you can no longer show up for the parties or Christmas you arrange a short informal zoom call. Archie can’t lose what he never had, but W&K’s kids can, assuming there was something there in the first place. We have no idea whether Harry was that close to them. If the rift happened much earlier they may not ever have been close.

      • windyriver says:

        @Bloemheks – this is an excellent explanation. For a similar reason, I suspect Meghan still has at least some level of relationship with Jessica, despite Jessica’s actions some months back – if only because of her relationship with her children.

  3. MaryContrary says:

    I think this is H & M for sure who don’t want this negativity overshadowing their good works. A few Facetime calls a week with Prince Charles so he can see Archie? Sure-I would guess that’s happening. And maybe a few superficial texts between Harry and William. But that’s it.

  4. Becks1 says:

    LOL. Sure, Jan.

    I think Harry is in contact with his father and I really don’t think there’s bad blood there. I think Betty is Petty and I think some of her actions have hurt Harry (like the removal of the honorary military appointments) but overall I think he is fine with his grandmother. So maybe, to a certain extent, he has gotten closer to his father and the Queen, because it is easier to contact them on Zoom or whatever than it was to talk to them in person pre-pandemic.

    But Harry and William? Nah. There’s bad blood there. We’ve heard it from too many sources, and we’ve seen the tension between the brothers when they interact in public, for it to be “everythings fine!”

    • Merricat says:


    • Myra says:

      Their relationship was laid bare at the Commonwealth service for the world to dissect. Plus all the time William talked about his brother to the press. I’d rather think that nosy people ask Harry about his brother and he just says we’re fine, ignore the tabloids.

    • Mia says:

      why talk to Willileaks, anything said will be reported to Daily Fail

  5. Amy Bee says:

    I think the source is Katie Nicholl.

    • MsIam says:

      I was just about to write that this definitely sounds like Katie Nicholl garbage, but usually she puts her name front and center. Maybe she thought it would sound more “authentic “ if they used “source” lol.

    • kelleybelle says:

      Who as usual knows exactly nothing, while trying to pass herself off as some sort of unofficial biographer or whatever.

  6. Nancy says:

    Hmmm yeah, no. They got away from the garbage family for good reason(s). I’m sure they keep in touch with people like Zara, Eugenie, etc. but their contact with the Cambridges, the Queen and even Charles is probably VERY limited, as it should be for their own (H&M) mental health and wellbeing.

    • Noodle says:

      @Nancy, I’m not sure about Zara and Mike and their kids. Remember in the midst of the high drama (perhaps during the pregnancy or just after Archie’s birth) the Tindalls had that “fun, family-filled day out” with the Cambridges, where they frolicked and the kids rode on cousin’s/uncle’s shoulders? I’m pretty sure that was their choosing sides.

      • Nancy says:

        Hmm good point. I guess I hope that’s not the case though :(

      • Becks1 says:

        I don’t think they would choose the Cambridges, and I don’t even think they would pick sides, because they don’t care. Zara isn’t a working royal. Out of anyone in the family, she probably understands why Harry wants out the most, because she is in a unique position – part of the family, but not “royal” (i.e. no title etc) – so she can probably see a lot of the toxicity in the working royal side of the family and see how much better her life is for being out of it. She gets to go to the big events like Ascot and Trooping, she gets a lot of the perks of being a part of that family, and then she gets to do her own thing and make her own money and live her life, which is what Harry and Meghan are doing now. And her view is going to be different than even Beatrice and Eugenie, who probably really do want to be working royals (definitely Bea.)

        I’ve gotten the impression she (Zara) is close to both brothers, but I think she only asked Harry to be a godfather to one of her kids, not William. (I could be wrong there.) And I just don’t see Mike Tindall getting caught up in the drama between the competing palaces. Mike was also the one who clarified that Meghan told the family prior to Eugenie’s wedding about the pregnancy. Also, do we really think that Zara and Kate get along? I just cant see it. I’m sure they’re civil with each other but I feel like Zara probably has no use for Kate.

        I’m not saying the Tindalls are perfect, because they aren’t, but in terms of their relationship with the Sussexes and the Cambridges – I think they are probably pretty neutral in the “war” and get along with both families.

    • Kyliegirl says:

      I thought so too, but the Tindalls spent last NYE in Australia with Nacho and his wife. Mike has also said in his podcasts that they have been doing their own thing and seems supportive of Harry. His podcast mate is also very good friends with Harry. I am hoping it was Zara just happy her cousin and his family came to see her ride. Harry is a godfather to her second child. Family relationships are complicated. Just because of one outing I wouldn’t write them off. Their kids are also cousins and looked like they got along, You may not like everything your family member does or how they behave, but you still have that long history together. Sometimes you can choose both sides and choose to agree to disagree on issues.

    • Max says:

      Nah sorry not the tindalls and unlikely the Yorkers since they were also leaking stories to distract from their father. I think it will strictly be Elizabeth and Charles for now, but in a more formal ‘hi’, ‘bye’ capacity.

  7. Sofia says:

    They probably talk to Charles out of all the “elders” the most and keep in contact with the Queen and by that I mean, a few curt emails a week with her private sec. I think it’s probably radio silence between the Sussexes and the Cambridges other than, again, a few curt emails/texts. Probably stay in touch with Eugenie and Zara out of everyone else.

  8. What’s eating you says:

    I think the issue has always been between Harry and William. If William weren’t a man child and threatened by the Sussex’s popularity then Harry and Meghan would still be there. I wonder if William is smart enough to go realize that the smear although horrible created the Sussex squad and brought many people over to the Sussex’s side and made there popularity grow.

  9. Ginger says:

    I think this is to counter Lacey’s book. I don’t buy it all.

  10. February-Pisces says:

    I’ve always thought is was Willie and Kate Vs the rest of the royal family, not harry and Meghan vs the royal family. I don’t think H&M relationship with the rest of the royals is amazing, but I don’t actually think there’s any beef there.

    Whenever I do my tarot I have asked about how Charles feels about H&M, he wants them back, he’s low key rooting for them but is stuck from doing anything about it. He also wants William’s affair to be exposed, my guess is to bring him down peg or two, and he absolutely want kate gone. The queen shares similar sentiments.

    • Ginger says:

      I agree. I believe Harry has always been well liked by the family but not William and certainly not Kate. I don’t think anyone likes Kate but they just deal with her.

      • Oh says:

        Do you want to convince me that this racist family likes Meghan?? No way, they might love Harry, but they don’t like Meghan. They did not accept that she is married to Harry yet

      • Becks1 says:

        I don’t think they like Kate either though. We know there is definitely a history between the York princesses and Kate, and while we have seen Kate interact with Autumn (who is now obviously an ex), I always thought that was more based on the kids than a relationship between the two women. As I said above I cant see Zara having much use for Kate. And if William is as much of an ass as he’s been portrayed recently, then probably Harry IS the preferred Wales brother. It sounds like a very messy family dynamic.

      • February-Pisces says:

        They know harry comes with Meghan and archie. I don’t think that they love Meghan, but they also know she’s innocent and that William, Kate, KP and the middletons are the ones in the wrong. The queen and Charles have in the past been thrown under the bus by them too and very much knows exactly what they are like.

    • Lady D says:

      Charles has had 60 years to deal with the press. If he wanted the story about William’s affair out in public, it would be out. He probably knows 100 ways to leak it, while maintaining a hands off approach.

      • Seraphina says:


      • February-Pisces says:

        Charles wants a lot of things but is too chicken to do anything about it. He didn’t want his son to leave but still didn’t take any action to get him to stay. William has Charles bound for whatever reason, doesn’t mean Charles doesn’t want William to get his karma, he just doesn’t want to be the one to pull the trigger. William would know for sure. Not to mention the whole media knows about the affair anyway and are not reporting it because William has cut a deal with them. Part of me even thinks maybe Charles wants it out, so William isn’t still being blackmailed into giving leaks because of it. Whilst the press are covering it up, William has to keep them fed.

  11. ABritGuest says:

    Seems more like Firm PR. the Firm’s press minions have been saying the family is critical of the Sussexes& there’s been recent books & articles saying how much they hate Meghan but want Harry back. Of the back of the Lacey book makes more sense for this to be the Firm’s message. It’s probably from Katie Nicholls & Harry & Meghan have said in their own words how they are enjoying family time & working on their charity & Netflix projects

  12. Maliksmama says:

    The rest of the members of the BRF have taken the Cambridge side in this squabble. Though the family claims only working members benefit financially from taxpayers, I don’t think that’s the case. Everyone of them gets funding which will continue under Charles. I don’t believe William will be forgiving to folk who sided against him in his feud with Harry once he’s on the throne.

  13. GG says:

    I think Charles catching COVID probably brought everyone (I hope!) more perspective about what’s important. I do think that removing themselves from the businesses aspect of the the firm creates opportunity to have healthy relationships (I think that’s the simplified crux of the disconnect between H&M and the Windsors – H&M are family first, which is why they don’t vibe with The Firm which doesn’t care about the people they steamroll) but I don’t think there’s been enough time for wounds to heal and relationships with authenticity to develop. Could they be on the right track? Absolutely. Do I think they talk everyday? No. I would say that speaking to Charles 2-4 times a month falls into the healthy category for a man who is married and in a completely different time zone. Im sure Harry does speak to William – when the occasion warrants it and when it’s absolutely necessary – so probably like once every couple of months? I just don’t think H&M would be unhappy about that lol. I do think that the media would like like us to believe things are more strained than they are because happy people don’t sell click bait.

  14. RoyalBlue says:

    Every few months KP pushes this silly narrative, but they are not fooling me. there is no love lost between the brothers. They can’t stand each other and it is fractured beyond repair and will take a long time for them to cordially reconcile. Furthermore, Kate has written off not just Rose from her inner circle, but also Meghan. She is going through her Kill Bill list and writing off her enemies.

  15. cc says:

    Well, to me it seems that allowing all this to happen for no reason what so ever, means relationships have been fractured. William and Harry definitely, because I believe he was the driving force of this mess and other things, which I won’t put online.

  16. NotSoSimpleTaylor says:

    Royal families are…weird. I know from what I’ve heard about Scandanavian houses that most don’t talk shop with each other and leave the business to aides or if they do, they don’t discuss them after a certain hour most of the time. It’s like having a family owned business. There’s a time talk about the business and a time to just be family. The only difference is that this family sees itself as God’s chosen family of England which is ridiculous since Parliament chose them as successors and can easily take it back.

    The more this goes on, the more I think this is more dramatic for William, the courtiers, and the tabloids than it is for Charles or Elizabeth (though I suspect she wants them back to put out more dumpster fires that William is creating). The problem is that they need Harry for the future and the health of the monarchy more than Harry needs it.

    I don’t think the Queen is one bit upset over what he said. I wouldn’t even be surprised if Harry called her or her office to get advice for his message (I felt there was a palace tone to it and might be why he was a bit stiff because he said verbatim what was advised for him to say). I think the courtiers might be stressed out with no end in sight over this but I highly doubt Elizabeth is losing any sleep. I think she understands royal life wasn’t for Harry, maybe even more so than anyone else. I think the only people that see that message as political are hard line conservatives from the USA and the UK who think being racist is a right, not an outdated privilege.

    • Bloemheks says:

      Agreed. From everything Harry and the Queen still have weekly Zoom calls. My ex is British S. African, now a US citizen, but all of his family still live there and they aren’t just British, they’re 1950′s British. Even during our divorce, everything remained very polite. It’s been 11 years and I still find myself accidentally happening upon the weekly or special occasion Skype call and I swear to God the conversation is almost the same as it always was, always including a good 20-30 minutes simply exchanging what the weather is like in excruciating detail. It’s not just because I’m there, this is just how this family interacts. When we were married I’d get so bored I’d leave the room to “take care of the kids” and could come back 30 minutes later and they’re STILL TALKING ABOUT THE WEATHER!! What??? Every Sunday.

  17. Vanessa says:

    I don’t think there will ever been true peace between William and Harry what William and Kate did to Meghan was pure evil they helped bullied and dehumanizing Meghan for three years with the press . William and kate helped the press go after Meghan while she was pregnant They continue to leaked untrue rumors about Meghan continue to help the press with their racist attacks after Harry was threatened by white racist with a violence for being a racist traitor. The Cambridge’s still continue to help the press harass Meghan knowing that there were people wanting to harm Harry and Meghan and Their unborn child. Would anyone else wanted to be friendly with a family member who wants to see their spouse and child harm . This is Kensington Palace Trying to do damage control over the book that being Released William isn’t looking good and Kensington is doing what they always do use Harry to protect William .

    • Kalana says:

      It clearly showed that William lacks limits and Kate is his ride or die no matter what. How do you publicly talk about supporting pregnant mothers while helping to harass your pregnant SIL? Or throw shade because Meghan made her own choice about how to engage with the press when presenting Archie?

      The misogynoir Meghan dealt with was appalling. Kate and William need to show serious growth and change before Meghan and Harry have anything more to do with them.

    • NotSoSimpleTaylor says:

      I think William is extreme enough that he doesn’t care if Harry, Meghan, and Archie are harmed at this point. In the last 5 years, William has become obsessed with the health of monarchy and his image to the point of paranoia which I think is all Kate. I think William may have enough cruelty in his heart to think it may be better for the monarchy if something bad happens to the Sussexes in the same way something bad happened to his mother, coincidentally when she began opely dating within Middle East aristocracy (I won’t touch what happened beyond that). If William is as racist as we believe he is, it’s possible he sees what happened to his mother as the “will of God” or some such nonsense for dating arab men.

      • Elizabeth says:

        I really don’t think William looks at the tragic death of his mother as anything but a horrific accident driven by paparazzi and her sad divorce. He clearly loved/loves her deeply. Is William also a racist and a violent, abusive person, yes, so there could well be deeper underlying resentments…

        Diana was dating Middle East aristocracy?

      • NotSoSimpleTaylor says:

        Well super rich Middle Eastern men. I thought the Fayeds were distant relations of the Alis?

  18. Mariane says:

    I wouldn’t take anything from hatie nicklols as truth. I agree with others in that harry is probably in contact with his father and the queen but I doubt he’s speaking to willy. They maybe only spoke during a joint zoom with charles when they found out he’s sick with covid

  19. Guest!! says:

    You have to remember, what William is after is his TAX FEE inheritance as Monarch. Even if the monarchy ends the next year he get’s it all…and believe me it’s more than £350 million they claim it to be.