Donald Trump is already trying to declare victory & wants to stop counting votes

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In some ways, this is worse than 2016 and in some ways it’s better. At this point, early Wednesday morning after Election Night 2016, we pretty much knew that Trump had won. This year, the sheer volume of absentee ballots across so many states is the X factor. Going into Election Night in 2016, I think most of us believed that Hillary Clinton would squeak out a win. It was a shock when Trump pulled the win four years ago. This year, all of the data indicated that Joe Biden would win handily in key states. That… hasn’t happened. Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia, Arizona and New Mexico. Just… keep counting the votes.

“Just keep counting the votes” is something Donald Trump disagrees with, though. He did a little Nazi rally at the White House’s slimmed down election party and demanded that states stop counting votes.

Speaking to supporters at 2:20 a.m. Eastern from the White House, President Trump falsely claimed victory in the presidential election and said that he would demand the U.S. Supreme Court stop counting votes. Trump’s remarks capped off an intense, high-anxiety Election Day that sees the president in a close race with challenger and former vice president Joe Biden. He kicked off his speech by baselessly claiming that Republican voters were being disenfranchised.

“Millions and millions of people voted for us tonight, and a very sad group of people is trying to disenfranchise that group of people, and we won’t stand for it,” he said. “We will not stand for it.” Trump continued that he was “winning everything, and all of a sudden it was just called off.” Calling the results so far “phenomenal,” he indicated that he had been preparing to celebrate victory Tuesday night.

“Literally, we were just all set to get outside and just celebrate something that was so beautiful, so good, such a vote, such a success,” he said.

Despite the race still being too early to call, the president nevertheless attempted to declare himself the winner and threatened to enact court action to halt further ballots from being counted.

“Frankly, we did win this election,” Trump falsely asserted. “So our goal now is to ensure the integrity, for the good of this nation — this is a very big moment, this is a major fraud on our nation. We want the law to be used in a proper manner, so we’ll be going to the U.S. Supreme Court. We want all voting to stop. We don’t want them to find any ballots at 4 o’clock in the morning and add them to the list. It’s a very sad moment.”

Trump spent most of his remaining time at the podium insisting that he was ahead in a number of races, claiming with no proof that it was “clear” he had won Georgia and North Carolina, when no major news outlets had called the results in either state.

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Yes, Donald Trump is arguing that because he saw some early results in various states, those are the results which should count because he was “winning,” and no more votes should be counted. What’s incredibly upsetting is that millions and millions of people voted for this. They voted for this little baby-fisted despot. The sheer number of people voting for white supremacy, having seen it in action for four years, is beyond depressing.

Anyway, no, Trump doesn’t get to just halt the vote count and go to court. That’s not the way any of this works. Even Ben Shapiro balked.

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  1. Zen says:

    The voting HAS stopped, they are just counting now. And Donald, you don’t have 270 ECV so you are not the winner.

    • Scal says:

      And if they stop counting right now-he loses.

      Apparently his campaign is running around BTS making sure the counties are counting what they have.

      • Agirlandherdog says:

        Technically, he wouldn’t lose per se. If they did stop counting now, neither would have 270, so it would go to the House (Dem controlled) to vote for the president, and the Senate (Repug controlled) to vote for VP. But you’re right, he truly doesn’t understand how any of this works. Just like he doesn’t understand what “disenfranchise” means. Disenfranchise is what’s he’s doing by trying to deny lawfully pledged votes being counted.

  2. Trillian says:

    Is that even possible? To stop until all votes are counted? I really don’t get it? He’s not even ahead at this point? I am German and worked as a poll worker and no one (of us helpers) leaves the polling station until ALL votes are counted. Period.

  3. Charlie says:

    He thinks he can flip Arizona, so they should keep counting there… We knew he would do this, he said he would, but I still feel sucker-punched. And so sad. I don’t understand how anyone can look at what he’s done and support him. I don’t know how these results are so close.

    Shy-Trump voters? How hateful and angry must someone be to want four more years of this?

    • Esmom says:

      Hate and anger is what drives so many people now, apparently. I don’t get why people want to live like that. It’s exhausting.

    • Seraphina says:

      Right he does think he can get Arizona and wants votes to continue to be counted but in other to stop voting. This is not Trump real estate where he can buy and sell and do what he wants. Lord help us all.

    • Ashley says:

      Shy? Or cowards? Cowards who hid what they were really hoping for because they knew society would burn them at the stake. Bunch of Nazis hiding in plain sight more like. I hate this country. I want to go back to Paris. This place is a dumpster fire filled with nothing but hateful people who continue to support this vile turd of a man.

      • guilty pleasures says:

        @Ashley, you are right up inside my head!!? I am repulsed, scared, ashamed of humanity, and glad I am living in Canada.

  4. greenmonster says:

    I can barely contain my anger, frustration and sadness. I am very afraid he might actually win, but it isn’t over yet.

    The fact that almost half the votes went to Trump is beyond me. How is that even possible? But I shouldn’t be surprised: racism, sexism and a lot of other terrible -isms are alive and kicking. His supporters are nothing but filth.

    • denisemich says:

      I am numb and scared but I think it would be so much easier if his people were all of those things you say.

      Most are just willing to tolerate a sexist racist crook because they think that is okay as long as their taxes aren’t raised or they are promised a job.

      I am constantly shocked that the Hispanic/Latino vote is what is making the difference. He has said horrible things about Latinos and Mexican Americans in general and yet they voted for him and are doing so again. They are supporters of this shit. So… I am not sure how you fix self-hate and stupidity.

      • Lanie says:

        I hate to say it and I don’t want to sound like I’m coming down on you, but anyone (black) who has lived in a state with a high Latino population is not at all surprised. White Latinos can be super racist. Brown Latinos trying to get as close to whiteness as possible can also be super racist. They don’t even flinch over these kids in cages. They might shed the tiniest of years when their own relatives get deported, but go right back to supporting white supremacy.

      • Krista says:

        I had the same thoughts last night when they announced Florida and then this morning, listening to the news; they said that the large majority of Latino vote this time came from Cubans and then more Venezuelans and Colombians (which both serve socialist dictatorship type government systems these days – which, hello, now makes sense. to why they would vote for Trump.)

        I’m holding out hope for the battleground states to hold out – but I just cannot fathom how our country can stand for this and accept/approve of what is happening here.

        Exit Polls show 6/10 voters went in thinking about the economy when voting 2/10 went in with Co-Vid as a priority and 2/10 went in thinking about racial divisions. I mean, what is this? Money means more to you than human life and decency? Got it.

        I’m seriously thinking about moving abroad again. I don’t want to live in a country that puts money over humanity.

    • Millennial says:

      I really thought this would be a blowout. I can’t (and yet still can) believe 66~ million people so far voted for a man willing to squash the democratic process. Racism is a helluva drug, I guess.

    • SusieQ says:

      I’m not surprised that it’s this close. I worked in state politics when I was in my 20s, and that’s when I learned how secretly vile much of the population is. They will absolutely vote against their self interest, because (white) people really believe the whole “pull yourself up by your bootstraps and someday you too will be a millionaire” nonsense. And so many white people know they are safe, no matter who is in office. That makes it easy to be racist, sexist, xenophobic, and homophobic.

      • Becks1 says:

        Something I read once really explained it to me (from the book “Dog Whistle Politics” which is excellent) and goes along with what you said – they aren’t voting against their self interest. They’re voting against their ECONOMIC self interest but are voting for their racial self interest. So many white people are scared of losing their position at the top of the racial pyramid. It’s horrible.

      • Ellen Olenska says:

        There is a song in the musical 1776 that nails this. It’s called Cool Considerate men”. It was removed from the movie supposedly at Richard Nixon’s request. In the scene the conservative pro British crew and southern delegates sing about why people follow them…

        HANCOCK, spoken]
        Traitors, Mr. Dickinson? To what? The British crown? Or the British half-crown? Fortunately, there are not enough men of property in America to dictate policy

        [DICKINSON, spoken]
        Well, perhaps not. But don’t forget that most men with nothing would rather protect the possibility of becoming rich than face the reality of being poor. And that is why they will follow us!

        To the right, ever to the right
        Never to the left, forever to the right

      • SusieQ says:

        @Becks1, you’re right. Too little sleep and not enough coffee caused me to leave off the economic part of self-interest. I used to talk to constituents regularly, and I was astounded by the sheer number who believed they were one lotto ticket or business idea away from Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous.

    • Myra says:

      Yes, he has received too many votes for sure. I actually thought he might do worse than last time by a few million votes but no, he did even better. I’ve never been this nervous for any election before.

    • Agirlandherdog says:

      The last four years has shown us the worst of our country. That is certain. If Biden wins (please god!!), we need to look forward to the 2022 mid-terms. We didn’t take back the Senate. McConnell will hamstring Biden just like he did Trump. Until we can flip the Senate and keep the House, we can’t begin to undue all the damage Trump has caused. So take some time, recover from the utter emotional upheaval of this election, then jump back in the fight.

  5. Rae says:

    I need a new word to describe what I feel about him. Hate and loathe just don’t pack enough of a punch for me right now.

  6. Juju says:

    A president that doesn’t even know what a democracy is.

  7. Lori says:

    I feel/hope that most of the early voting was done by democrats ensuring their votes got counted in case any GOP goonery happened on the day. At least that’s what I’m telling myself, from the toilet, with election-induced IBS. And I’m not even American.

  8. Schade says:

    Ben Shapiro? Fuck that weirdo.

  9. Leah says:

    “ Frankly, we did win this election”

    Last time I checked it was Biden: 238 Trump: 213.

    Once Nevada catches up, it should push Biden to 244.

    Amazing how he says that even while he’s trailing Biden. His supporters just lost Arizona and are being salty about it. The governor of that state was just whining about it. It made me laugh because this must be John McCain’s ultimate revenge.

    The voting has stopped yes, but the count goes on.

    Dems (majority wise) tend to vote by mail while republicans vote day of this is why I’m hoping WI, PA and MI pull us out of this mess. I have no confidence at all in NC or Georgia.

    • Minnie says:

      I apologize on behalf of NC ☹️

      • MerlinsMom1018 says:

        Don’t apologize.
        I live in Texas and I stopped apologizing long ago. No matter how hard we work it just ain’t enough

      • H says:

        But it was close in NC. My relatives there voted for Trump and they are racists, but in the Triangle, more and more voters are blue. I have no doubt we can flip NC just like CO.

  10. MrsRobinson says:

    New Mexico is set, it’s Nevada that’s still counting.

  11. Lauren says:

    I’m watching this from the other side of the world, and I’m sick to see it. Trump is merely the face of the rottenness that has permeated modern society. It’s not just USA.
    Even if Biden squeaks out a win, it will still be a sad day for humanity.

  12. Digital Unicorn says:

    He’s been saying for weeks he would challenge any result which did not make him the winner – he’s screaming about fraud as he knows he will lose and is relying on the Supreme Court (which he owns) to hand him his win. Even other Republicans are calling him out on his ‘win’ announcement. He looked like he sh!tting bricks when he made that statement.

    He’s going to burn down American democracy and the constitution cause no one loves him.

    I think Biden will win but by the skin of this teeth and its going to be chaos between now and Jan as he is not going to go away quietly and neither is he willingly going to give up the Presidency without a fight/civil war.

    • notsugarhere says:

      This. Looking in and not an expert here. What I see? Moscow Mitch controls the courts at all levels and Drumpf thugs own the US supreme court 6-3. He’ll challenge every vote he doesn’t like and outcome will be decided by the pro-Trump court. Nobody pro-democracy anywhere should be celebrating any time soon.

  13. Vox says:

    He’s legitimately insane. He’s both terrified of the early polling and mailed votes (hence wanting Biden to concede despite having a narrow lead) and somehow also sure he will win because he’s the Don and nobody can beat him. It’s such a weird dichotomy.

    Who knows who mail-in ballots will go but early voter polls are promising for the Dems. I don’t trust exit polls at all tbh but clearly it’s getting to the baby-fisted one.

  14. Yoyoma says:

    welp. Americans being stupid again. Who would’ve known.

    • HeatherC says:

      As an American I would love to take offense at your statement.

      Sadly I can’t.

    • Seraphina says:

      Present company excluded please. A great number of us are trying to cope and come to terms with these “stupid” people who are our neighbors, friends, coworkers and the like. It has been a very difficult road to hear people support this man because I silently (and verbally) question their reasoning.

    • buenavissta says:

      Canadian here. There are plenty of Americans who are good people who did the right thing yesterday.

    • paranormalgirl says:

      Yeah, we could paint with a slightly less broad brush. I both voted for, and campaigned for Biden/Harris.

  15. Cg2495 says:

    I have not been able to sleep all night! I knew Biden had most eastern states in the bag ( I am from NY) but it’s appalling and enraging how many people are voting for this sorry excuse of a human being! Oh God! This race is too close for comfort.

    • Miss V says:

      It is seriously mind-blowing how people can vote for for Trump. Like, my whole entire soul hurts just thinking about it…. this is too closed or comfort. And it really shows the true colors of our fellow Americans. It’s embarrassing and shameful, among other things.

    • Feedmechips says:

      Also in NYS here…the margin by which Biden took NY was a travesty. Should have been a blowout.

    • Noodle says:

      I’m with you. I finally passed out at midnight (pacific time) and now I’m back up at 3:15 because of the anxiety. I don’t think I’ve ever needed an Ativan at 3:15am before. My heart is so sick.

    • Giddy says:

      I completely agree, but I’m in Texas. We had such high hopes that Biden would flip Texas this year, but no. Now we will all watch as counts trickle in. I’m so disappointed in my fellow man that I feel quite sick. How anyone could vote for this clown is beyond me.

  16. Genessee says:

    What saddens me is that MORE white women voted from Trump this time around. Like, really? WHAT was his appeal? Racism?

    Also not cool, we didn’t win the Senate and Turtle Boy is still hanging on in KY

    • Michael says:

      I am saddened but not surprised at all. White women have largely been part and parcel to the injustices this country has committed. They prove every election cycle that they think the same as white conservative men do.

      • Deehunny 2.0 says:

        Internalized mysogeny is real. I live in Florida and a have a girlfriend who voted for the first time ever…. For trump. When you ask why, she literally believes in Q-ANON, and she just parrots what her idiot brother says (unarticulately).

        She also sleeps with several different men a week, does now know her own self worth, and got a boob job recently which she loves. No slut shaming here bc she owns it, but she doesn’t realize how simply uneducated she is or the real issues or how it will effect her. Plus she’s Jewish which really blows my mind. How can any minority of any type vote for him?

    • Chris says:

      I don’t underestimate the horribleness of white women, but if that number is from exit polls then it’s not accurate. It’s measuring the people who voted in person which leans Republican. Exit polls aren’t really accurate this year.

      If that number includes absentee ballots then wow. Wtf.

    • SusieQ says:

      I have a sorority sister who posted something incredibly tone deaf this morning. She talked about how no matter the election turns out, she still has her husband and sons and that’s more important than who is president…completely ignorant of her white privilege and the fact that her family is safe, no matter what. So many people have had their families separated from them due to the actions of the Trump Administration. She doesn’t have to worry about her sons being murdered by police either.

  17. grabbyhands says:

    Absolutely zero shock that he said it. That was pretty much the whole point of railroading the Stepford wife into the Supreme Court – so he could scream fraud and try and force them to declare for him. Anyone saying that we have blocks in place to prevent this happening obviously hasn’t been paying attention the last four years.

    I’m disgusted by the voters in this country – there is no way we should all be sitting here at this hour stressing about how we still don’t have a result because it’s still too close to call and worse, what kind of horror show is going to go down until January if Biden actually wins.

    I held off looking at social media until almost 11 PM Pacific (I watched The Way I See It from Pete Souza and pretty much cried for the whole 90 minutes of it) and I wish I’d waited. I couldn’t go to sleep until almost 2AM and then I had 90 minutes of nightmare plagued sleep before I gave up.

  18. Lauren says:

    I am horrified. I can’t believe so many people want 4 more years of this.

  19. Mandy says:

    Watching from Australia in disbelief!

    How even one person can vote for him is shocking, the fact that the results looks pretty close has me just reeling.

    So depressing .

  20. Teebee says:

    To me, the saddest thing, because I fear a Trump squeaker of a win is inevitable, is that Trump doesn’t even want this job anymore. At all. And once the afterglow of “winning” wears off, he will start whining again about everything and everyone, just as he has been doing this last 4 years and the entire campaign.

    We are going to have 4 MORE YEARS of Trump bitching about the job he has to do. That he was elected to do. And the only things that will get done are the awful things that Republicans behind the scenes want: less taxes, less reproductive choice, less immigration, less social welfare, less environmental protections…

    And because he doesn’t care about re-election, forget about pandering or talking out both sides of his mouth.

    We will get Asshole Trump 2.0. A super gloating, bragging, tone deaf, arrogant and chaos-wreaking version of the Trump we have grown to hate.

    I have gone through the 5 stages of grief in the past 12 hours. I am shocked I have made it to acceptance. But I also to intend to be off social media for the next little while, because the in-your-facing and useless media analysis will change nothing and only make me sadder.

    All those here who live in the US, that hoped for the best. I am truly sorry. I hope my sympathy and empathy bolster what is left of your hope.

    And the even sadder thing is as I write this the election hasn’t even been called yet. But I have no faith, optimism or hope left.

    Peace, Celebitches.

  21. Seraphina says:

    We were shocked Virginia was being shown in red when we went to bed. Thank God we turned it blue.
    I’m shocked to see so much red covering the map of the US. I have a pit in my stomach. It’s been a roller coaster ride and anxiety ridden.

    • Chris says:

      I’m in Virginia and I knew it was not going to go red. It’s ridiculous they did that before the vote count was all or mostly in. Of course cities return results later, there are more people in line. I was an election officer in a rural area and we were absolutely done when the polls closed and reported results immediately.

      • Seraphina says:

        There was a great commentary on how calling early results was actually harming people’s faith in the American political party system. I so agree.

  22. Lizzie says:

    Biden still looks good. But with McConnell leading the senate nothing will get done.

    • Chris says:

      Yeah, the odds are still in Biden’s favor but the senate… ugh. If biden wins it would help the senate as Kamala would be the tie breaker vote. McConnell though. If I could get rid of him or trump I’d pick McConnell. They’re both evil, but McConnell is smart. 2020 continues to 2020.

  23. Michael says:

    I think a lot of people voted for Trump once the curtain was closed Certainly the same people who voted for him in 2016. They voted in favor of White Supremacy above all else. It is clear that many people want to go back to the “good old days” and do not care about the price other people have to pay. Even if Biden ends up winning I will find it very hard to trust people when they talk about a united country

  24. AnnaKist says:

    I want something – anything! – to come along and obliterate the bad feeling I have.

  25. Rapunzel says:

    One of my Trumpian neighbors said yesterday, “It feels like Super Bowl Sunday.” I think that gives you the Trumpian mindset: it’s all about winning. This is a game to them- Own the libs. They are playing games with people’s lives.

    • Florence says:


      It happened here after the Brexit vote – “we won, get over it.” Like kids playing a football match. They have nothing in their lives so they squirm over to whatever big bully can make them feel a bit less pathetic about their existence. They win and it’s the only time they’re winners in their lives. They then sit there repeating “hurrhurr you lost” for four years plus because they hold onto it like a participation medal they were given out of pity.

    • Esmom says:

      Omg, one of mines said the same thing on social media. It must be something being said in right wing chatter. This is the problem with so many Trumpers. They see this as a game they want to win. It’s all entertainment, all about owning the libs. Meanwhile we take it deadly seriously, terrified for the future of our children and our planet and lose sleep while they just think it’s so funny. I’m numb.

  26. mrsBump says:

    seriously WTF is wrong with America?

    After the first election, so much was made abt the Russian interference that stopped Hilary from winning. Well now we see that 50% of Americans didn’t need the Russians to vote for Trump, because look here they are doing it again!

    F-ing unbelievable.

    • ChillyWilly says:

      I know. I’m starting to really believe we should just split our country up. I for want to live with these disgusting Nazi’s anymore.

    • Esmom says:

      The thing is Russian interference did play a huge part. The propaganda war is real and asymmetrical and I believe that is what turned out so many people for Trump in 2016 and again in 2020. Fox News, Facebook and other forces are literally destroying us with disinformation that people are all too happy to believe.

      • mrsBump says:

        People seek out information that reinforce their own believes.

      • notsugarhere says:

        It isn’t that simple, mrsBump. Cambridge analytica, Russian trolls, etc. on social media push the information to the vulnerable, in calculated and effective ways.

  27. ChillyWilly says:

    Well, just had a huge sobbing episode. I’m very sad that this wasn’t a blow out for Biden. I’m so sad that so many Americans wanted 4 more years of this racism and corruption.
    The bright side is I think Trump loses but I wanted the Senate so badly. I wanted to see Moscow Mitch lose his power.
    I need go to find a place that lets you play with puppies and kittens. Do those exist? I love all of you at Celebitchy! You are all good peeps who believe in Democracy and love and acceptance and for caring about someone besides yourself. Ugh, I’m going to go cry some more…It’s like my emotional floodgates have opened after trying to hang tough for months.

    • Esmom says:

      I’m with you, Chilly. I haven’t cried yet but who knows what a mess I will be when the numbness wears off.

      As for puppies and kittens, both my kids’ college towns have cat cafes. I wish I had one nearby. Not that it would be open right now anyway. Sigh. I’ll settle for my IG feed, which I’ve set up to most include kitten foster accounts.

  28. Jodi says:

    honestly you guys, if there weren’t places like this forum and groups i belong to on Facebook of likeminded people who genuinely care about society and democracy more than they care about their own self interests, i would be desolate. i am still depressed and shaken at how many people voted for this man so far but it helps to have places to go to where people are equally as shocked by this turn of events. as my sister said via text last night: this country is sick.

    • Esmom says:

      I know, Jodi. I don’t know how we can undo this anytime soon, either. I told my group chat of girlfriends, who all have kids around college age, that right now my biggest fears is that they will become disillusioned and disengaged, just when they’ve first gotten involved in the political process. We need them to help keep up the fight.

  29. mellie says:

    I read something about all the ‘secret’ Trump voters, the ones that are too embarrassed to admit they voted for him, those are the people that no one knows about….
    The first thing he’ll do IF (still holding out hope here…) he gets in again, is start working on ending term limits. That’s the first g-d thing he’ll do. Canada anyone? Will they take us? Please???

  30. Sigmund says:

    We didn’t get the blue blowout we wanted, and that sucks. So badly. It really does. But to all my fellow celebitches hurting and panicking, please remember that this is intentional. Donald Trump is trying to sow chaos. He knows many of those absentee ballots will be democratic, and he’s already losing. Not by as much as we wanted, but he is.

    There is already precedent that absentee ballots are protected and legally equal to any other ballot. Please don’t let the orange fanatic scare you. If he wants those ballots thrown out, he would have to take it to each STATE Supreme Court, not the federal one he stacked. And he would fail, because again, absentee ballots ARE already protected.

    I know it’s not the decisive victory we want, but this is straight out of Trump’s playbook. Try to stay calm and trust that Biden’s campaign is not going to tolerate any fuckery. It’s ugly, but things always are when Trump is involved.

  31. emmy says:

    I don’t know why people are surprised. And I’m not saying that to feel superior or be a d*ck. But he told everyone who he is before 2016 and people voted for him. Not in spite of his character but because of it. Why would they change their minds? Covid? Not to be macabre but… the friends and relatives of those who died aren’t enough to swing this election and even if they were, he has people convinced it is China’s fault. People don’t just accept his racism, they like his racism. They like his misogyny. They like that someone tells all those lesser humans who want equality that they’re just that, lesser humans. Democrats need new strategies even if Biden wins and my god I hope he does.

  32. Guest with Cat says:

    One thing we need to keep in mind and work on is the perception that being a Democrat is the same as being Socialist, with them thinking of how socialism plays out in Cuba and Venezuela. Knowing people from those places and from some former Eastern bloc countries, I have gotten the impression they are above all else terrified of any hint of socialism in this election.

    Trump’s campaign was unfortunately very effective in scaring some brown people into believing a vote for a Democrat was a vote for the form of government they were fleeing when they or their parents immigrated here. So that may explain in part, at least, why some people of color unexpectedly went for Trump.

    I think going forward, we need to explain and reassure such people why the USA needs more support for social programs and support for public health and that such support means something different here than the socialism they are envisioning.

    Please let my post have made sense. Sleep deprivation is a bad look on me! I got some sleep but not as much as I needed.

    • Ashley says:

      Guest with Cat – If only we can get a PR company to paint socialism as French. Dumb airhead white girls who watch Emily in Paris and dream of being her might actually vote for it. Who cares that Emily in Paris is fake. We just need them to believe if they vote socialism they too can be cool and French.

      • guilty pleasures says:

        Hey there, scary Canadian ‘socialist’ here. We are happy to illustrate how it works to take care of one another. We don’t worry about the level of health care we will receive. We don’t go broke due to unforeseen illness. We ensure that our fellows are fed, and housed (for the most part).
        We are not perfect, by any stretch. We are still terrible to our First Nations, and of course there is still homelessness and mental health and addictions crises. But there are no problems associated to our attempts to look after one another. No bread lines or whatever it is that people fear.
        So, I don’t know what Emily in Paris is, but how about we produce a really cool Carolyn in Canada?
        My heart and prayers are with you all, we hold our breath for you.

  33. Marigold says:

    We knew he would try this. No surprise there. If it’s awful, he will do it.

  34. Suz says:

    It sort of reminds me of when my nephew was 5 and we’d play Mario Kart. If he wasn’t winning he’d cry that we had to start over again. He was a cute 5 year old learning that sometimes you don’t win. This is a 74 year old man we’re dealing with here.
    It’s like a hockey coach claiming his team has won if they’re up in the first period.
    Shut the f*ck up, Donnie. You’re like a small child.

  35. Kerenza says:

    I’m so devastated about this. The idea that he has so much support after the last 4 years really hurts. Even if Biden gets in he will be blocked at every turn by the Senate. I watched Tracy Chapman singing last night – haven’t seen her for so long, and she sounded so gorgeous and looked so beautiful that I had hope. And then to wake up to this mess this morning – horrifying, totally disillusioning.

  36. DeltaJuliet says:

    I’m just amazed and disheartened to see how many people are digging in their heels with support for this f’ing clown. It’s such a disappointment and I really don’t see how we can possibly come back from this anger and division.