Duchess Meghan did pass along info to Scobie & Durand through a third party

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle attend an event at Millennium Point to celebrate International Women's Day in Birmingham on 8th March 2018

Yet another “death by a thousand paper cuts” story regarding the Duchess of Sussex’s lawsuit against the Mail. By the end of this mess, the Mail will have successfully convinced all of their British readers that THEY sued Meghan for being a liar and that they’ve won their case. The root of the case is that the Mail published selections from a handwritten letter from Meghan to her toxic father. The Mail did not ask or receive Meghan’s permission to publish the letter, and they only published part of it so as to keep up the charade (which no one is even discussing anymore) that Thomas Markle is so poor and aggrieved and Meghan mistreated him so badly. When clearly, the letter revealed Meghan’s own pain at her father selling her out for months.

Anyway, there are several updates on the case, because hearings and motions are still moving forward, even if the trial has been pushed back to autumn 2021. The Mail is now arguing that Meghan worked with Omid Scobie and Carolyn Durand on Finding Freedom in some capacity and something something that’s related to her letter to Toxic Tom. Well, Meghan has now admitted that she sort of gave permission to a friend to speak on her behalf to Scobie and Durand:

Meghan Markle has reportedly admitted to giving personal information to the authors of “Finding Freedom,” the tell-all book detailing her and Prince Harry’s exit from the British royal family. Markle spilled her own tea to authors Carolyn Durand and Omid Scobie in order to ensure her side of the story was included, The Telegraph reported on Wednesday.

According to docs lodged with the High Court, Markle revealed that she was worried “her father’s narrative” about her — including that she had allegedly abandoned him— might be included in the book. Therefore, she presented her own version of events to a source to pass along so “the true position…could be communicated to the authors to prevent any further misrepresentation,” the Telegraph reported.

Markle also reportedly insisted that she did not speak to the authors directly but that she couldn’t say whether the Kensington Palace communications team provided information on her behalf.

[From Page Six]

I get why Meghan is parsing and why Scobie and Durand are parsing about who said what to whom but at this point, I’m ready to scream at all of them. Anyone who’s read Finding Freedom knows that Meghan and Harry’s fingerprints are all over certain sections. Whether or not they had a third party pass along their thoughts and feelings, what does it even matter? Literally every royal has organized their own sympathetic biographies. And it has nothing to do with the fakakta letter to her father!

According to the Mail – I can’t believe they are getting so much mileage out of being sued – Meghan also claims that she has no idea how much this mysterious third party shared with Scobie and Durand. The whole point of the third party speaking to the authors was that Meghan wanted to get her side out about Toxic Tom specifically. Which, again, is kind of weird because all of Tom Markle’s f–kery around the Sussex wedding isn’t a huge part of the FF narrative. Yes, it’s discussed in FF and Meghan comes across as stressed and sympathetic, but that would have happened anyway.

Interestingly enough, the Daily Mail also says that in Meghan’s newest filing, she did share some notes and ideas with Jason Knauf as she was writing the letter to her father. Knauf didn’t help her write it (as the Mail claimed), but he did read some versions of it and he advised her about it, but he did not contribute to the wording of the letter. She also says that decided to write the letter “following advice from two senior members of the Royal Family in an attempt to get [her father] to stop talking to the press.” Prince Charles would probably be one of them. Who’s the other? As I said in earlier coverage, the more people to get pulled into this, the more likely the palaces will find some way to shut it down. If Jason Knauf suddenly gets called to testify, or heaven forbid the Prince of Wales is subpoenaed to testify about what advice he gave to Meghan, this lawsuit will be made to “go away.”

Meghan Markle, together with Britain's Prince Harry, arrives in Birmingham

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92 Responses to “Duchess Meghan did pass along info to Scobie & Durand through a third party”

  1. Likeyoucare says:

    Wouldnt it funny if the two seniors are willie and kate?
    This is before meghan know about their true colors.

    • Sofia says:

      I think it’s Charles and William tbh. I doubt Liz would have gotten involved. Don’t think Kate would care much either.

      • Digital Unicorn says:

        I think it might be Chuck and Cams, I don’t think she would have spoken to William about something like this. It would have gotten leaked long before it did if he knew about it. And we now know that he was pretty much encouraging the press to use the father to attack and undermine her.

      • Myra says:

        Somehow I doubt it’s William. If Harry and William had issues before and around the time of the wedding, I doubt they would have trusted him to give them sound advice. It is either Charles and Camilla or Charles and Elisabeth.

      • Sofia says:

        I low-key forgot Camilla existed when I wrote that lmao. Yeah I can see it being her but I can also see William nudging his way through and going “I’m the Future Future King so here’s my advice” even if Meghan didn’t ask for it

      • Becks1 says:

        When was the letter written? We know that Meghan and Harry spent time in Scotland with Charles and Camilla that summer, so I can see this topic coming up and those two then offering advice. But I think the letter may have been before the Scotland trip.

      • CC says:

        I think it’s Charles and William. Assuming that she approached them in a work setting instead of casual advice over tea or something, the married ins are first ladies, they don’t have much power only soft influence so I don’t think Kate had to kept in the loop. If she approached them because she needed to check with her bosses, William and Charles 100% imo.

        If it’s one of those things where Meghan sought advice informally, it may very well be Kate or Camilla.

    • Elizabeth Regina says:

      Just putting it out there and totally left field, it could be the Midds and Camilla.

      • Sofia says:

        It specifically says “senior royals” which the Middletons (other than Kate) are not. Plus why would Meghan go to them?

      • SpankyB says:

        William is often referred to Bill Middleton on this site. So talking to the Midds would mean talking to Bill and Kate Middleton, Senior Royals. I’m assuming that’s what ER meant.

    • The fact that the judge keeps letting in all this extra bullshit does not bode well. As Kaiser says, none of it….Meghan’s friends talking to PEOPLE or SCOBIE re FF, has to do with whether or not they had the right to publish a private letter without her permission. The Firm is going to make sure she looses.

    • Melissa says:

      I think it’s Charles and Harry.

  2. Sofia says:

    I thought it was obvious that friends did speak to Scobie. However, the Sussexes denied their OWN PERSONAL involvement. As in, they didn’t sit down like Diana did with Bashir. I always assumed they went something like “If Omid Scobie and Carolyn Durand come knocking down your door and you say a few things, we won’t hate you or get mad”.

    And even if she did personally sit down with Scobie and hand him the letter, that still doesn’t give the Mail themselves permission to publish it. Giving one person permission (which I don’t think she did tbh) does not mean everyone else gets permission

    • Nic919 says:

      Jobson’s book on Charles was done the exact same way but people are acting like this never happens. There is nothing here that Meghan is accused of doing that hasn’t been done by the other royals for decades with biographers and the media, but so many want to simply slam Meghan for being manipulative. I mean she’s not the one with a media blackout about an affair, but sure let’s call her manipulative.

      At the end of the day none of it shows that the DM has explicit permission to print that letter. Which is at the crux of the lawsuit.

    • mynameispearl says:

      Arent there 2 elements to this case though, copyright and invasion of privacy. I think the copyright bit has to be open and shut win for Meghan. The invasion of privacy bit must be what the mail is trying to muddy the waters on, as in how could we invade her privacy when she invaded it herself?

      They prob wont win either but they’ve already got a years worth of stories out of it, and I’m sure they will wring this dry before it’s done.

      • Belli says:

        I think on that part, the precedent of Prince Charles’ case against AN is interesting. He’d sent copies of his diary to friends, but when the Mail published it he still won his lawsuit.

        For the misuse of private information part, the letter wasn’t in the public domain, so as far as I know AN would need to argue that publishing it was in the public interest (NOT the same as being interesting to the public). Public figures still have a reasonable expectation of privacy.

      • Sofia says:

        How are you going to say it’s “open and shut” with the copyright but then say they probably won’t win? Lmfao

        You dislike Meghan and that’s obvious. So why don’t you be bold and brave with your dislike instead of cowering and hiding behind passive aggressive comments that you constantly have? Be brave. And don’t say you’re not being passive aggressive because I’ve seen enough of your comments and know enough people in real life who sound like you to know what it is.

      • Amy Bee says:

        Meghan is not suing for invasion of privacy. The media wants you to think she is but she’s not.

      • Becks1 says:

        I think @mynameispearl meant the MoS probably wont win either, not Meghan.

    • Myra says:

      I kind of read it to mean that her friend told her that they had been approached by the authors. She then gave them the okay to explain the real events surrounding her father in case the book repeated some of the lies her father had told. The letter itself (which was in the public domain already thanks to The Mail) was not shared with the friend to be passed on to the authors. They also never answered any questions directly or indirectly, but it also means that they did not prohibit their friends from talking.

      • mynameispearl says:

        @becks1 I did mean that I think the mail wouldnt win on either account.

        Someone upthread said Meghan was actually not suing for invasion of privacy, if that’s correct and this is for copyright only then I’d imagine she would win?

        I just googled and it says (on Tatler, not sure how reliable that is) that Meghan is suing for Copyright, Data Protection, and Breach of Privacy.

        I dont know enough about law to know if each item is treated separately, but I do recall reading somewhere that the Privacy element is how the MoS were able to get FF added into their defence.

      • Nic919 says:

        Even if she’s suing for privacy, having friends talk about the letter after it’s been published still remains irrelevant to the main issues. She didn’t waive anything prior to the DM publishing the letter.

    • Ginger says:

      Exactly Sofia. The book’s description said they talked to Meghan and Harry’s close friends. It’s not like they hid that fact. Harry even sat down with that awful Angela Levin for her biography on him and the press never said a word on it. Meghan is suing the DM regarding her letter they published but the DM are making it about Finding Freedom.

  3. Amy Bee says:

    Meghan didn’t pass on information to the Scobie and Durand, she gave permission to a third party to talk to them about the existence of the letter. She says she doesn’t know what the third party told the writers. Another thing that is not being said is that by the time she gave permission for the third party to speak to Scobie and Durand, the letter was already published.

    But anyway, whether she told them or not it doesn’t matter because the case is about copyright infringement and data protection. The Daily Mail failed to get permission from Meghan to publish the letter which is why she’s suing.

    Regarding the Royal Family’s role in this. They don’t come out looking great in this whole thing because after the letter was published, they failed to come Meghan’s defense. KP’s role is suspicious and may be much larger than what it is reported. Did they throw Meghan under the bus to stay in the good graces of the Daily Mail? And who were the two senior royals? People are saying Charles and William. I think that the two were William and Kate given that at this time, they still shared an office and Meghan would have looked to them for guidance. This probably changed after the smear campaign started in late 2018 and William made a decision to work with the newspaper editors against Meghan.

  4. Noki says:

    That family is sick, a woman like Meghan was never going to stick around for their BS. Been watching the Crown and seeing young Dianas training or princess classes really disturbed me. Maybe the whole process is a little bit mor modern now,but it takes someone special to agree to that life.

    • Ainsley7 says:

      Diana never had any “Princess Lessons.” She went to a Swiss finishing school before she even started seeing Charles. I’m not sure why they threw all that in there. It didn’t happen, and Diana has said many times that she didn’t receive any help or guidance. I honestly think she would have welcomed some lessons.

      • Oddsnends says:

        It didn’t happen with her grandmother, certainly. She also dropped out of finishing school and refused the help of Lady Peggy (?) Someone the queen offered. I think there were a few meetings, then Diana said she’d had enough. Diana paid attention to people and had a good understanding of courtesy which probably covered up any early etiquette errors she may have made.

        I didn’t know about the rollerskating in BP, but I had read of her riding a bike around inside the night before she married singing something along the lines of how she’s going to be a princess.

        She was so very young and had read far too many Barbara Cartland (her godmother) novels to have any idea about what marriage would entail.

        She really was a remarkable woman.

      • Tessa says:

        Well Diana did not think her marriage should entail her husband having Another woman around. I think Charles was the one woefully ignorant about what marriage should mean.

      • A says:

        Those were not “princess lessons” though. The show portrayed it as such, but they are lessons regarding royal protocol and how to behave as a royal.

        In real life, Diana got no such lessons. It wasn’t because she went to Swiss finishing school—they don’t teach you who to curtesy to. She had to learn everything herself every step of the way with no one to help her. Hence the mishaps early on with see through trousers and black ball gowns for events etc.

  5. Talie says:

    I agree, I think this lawsuit will quietly fade out and we’ll hear about some settlement, which won’t really even be a settlement. At this point, this stuff is just keeping them tied to the very madness they left behind.

    • Amy Bee says:

      Well, Meghan’s asking for a Summary Judgement which essentially avoids a trial. That’s what Charles was able to get with his case.

      • Becks1 says:

        I think she’ll get a summary judgment for the copyright. but she’s also suing for invasion of privacy, right? And that might be trickier.

        Although a ruling that talking to a biographer through a third party means you have no expectation of privacy would be very problematic for the royal family.

      • Nic919 says:

        Especially if they were talking after the letter was published. The issues were muddied when the court permitted FF to be included because it came out a year after the DM published the letter.

      • Mignionette says:

        @Becks wouldn’t the expectation of privacy be more about the actual contents of the letter and how it pertains to the disruption of her private and family life as opposed to the concept or knowledge of the letter. Especially given that Privacy laws are also about ensuring that everyone can exercise their right to their private and family life ?

        In this case Meghan was unable to effectively communicate with her father and resolve their differences without her most private thoughts and fears being communicated to millions of people.

        It seems like she would have a very good s8 privacy case on this base. I can see the MoS saying there was a public interest, but I can not see really how they’d establish that here Toxic Tom is in no way relevant to public life in the UK.

        In fact I think there is case law on this which relates to a UK pop star who was secretly married. Close friends were in attendance at the wedding but her family were not aware. A UK rag then printed the wedding pics and she still won.

  6. Harper says:

    The Fail published her letter before FF was a twinkle in Scobie’s eye. The deflection continues.

    • Elizabeth Regina says:

      This latest story about senior royals possibly being involved in the leak of the letter to the Daily Racism is a warning shot. The paper are ready to drag this out and spin all kinds of crap. The RF and courtiers will do anything to avoid names being named, hence the pressure on M to drop her law suit. The best the palace can do is ask the paper to settle quietly or for the judge to give a summary judgement. If there was anytime the queen needs to intervene it is now. Things are just looking worse for the RF by the minute.

    • Lady2Lazy says:

      @ Harper, Yes!!! They are pulling every action as a dirty deal on Meghans part to win their stance for publishing the letter as they know what they did was unethical and criminal!! Meghan has not used ANY third channels in regards to FF, but the AN is using it as if she did. As I also agree with many of you that she spoke to Charles and Camilla as I am certain that she would never had gone to PWT, she knew, as Harry did as well, how spineless and vindictive PWT and Unable are!!

  7. Becks1 says:

    I think the two senior members are Charles and William. But interesting that it says “following advice” – it doesn’t make it sound like she said “hey should I do this” but rather, THEY said “hey you should consider doing this.” And if that’s the case, then its interesting how this has ended up, isn’t it? And yeah, if there’s the slightest chance that the “senior royal” is going to have to be involved, this is going to disappear VERY fast.

    As for FF – I mean, that’s what all royals do and it doesn’t diminish their expectation of privacy or anything. Hell William leaks to reporters all the time and still claims “privacy” and “humans rights” over an affair story.

    • Nic919 says:

      Billy directly spoke to an editor recently but somehow that’s ok. And if Jason Knauf is involved then it has to be William as one of the senior royals involved. … she was trying to work within the system and they are still trying to burn her. This is so crazy.

      • Amy Bee says:

        It put paid to the story that Meghan refused to “follow protocol” and wanted to do her own thing. She thought she was a team player and wanted to protect the Family. Unfortunately the Royal Family didn’t want her on the team.

      • Myra says:

        Yes @Amy Bee. That’s the first thing I thought of. Senior aides rushed to say that Meghan refused to listen to their advice when the statement claims that she actually followed the advice of senior royals.

    • Royalwatcher says:

      Wouldn’t the other senior member (besides Chuck) be Harry?? He was a senior member of the family at the time. I definitely don’t think it was Willy because we KNOW he cannot keep his mouth shut about anything. So there’s no way, IMO, this all wouldn’t have been leaked at the time if Will was the other person.

      • Becks1 says:

        I was thinking of Harry but I think that would be a weird way to describe him. I agree that William would have leaked it. I said upthread that it could be Camilla.

  8. Belli says:

    This whole thing gives me a headache.

    It doesn’t matter if she told anyone about the letter or who she told if she told anyone! The Mail didn’t have her permission to publish her copyrighted material, no matter how much they try to muddy the waters. There is precedent with Charles’ diary and exactly the same defendant.

    The fact that they are able to profit off being sued by writing endless articles about it is incredible to me.

    • Mignionette says:

      “This whole thing gives me a headache.”

      ^^^ This is the whole point.

      The MoS have already lost hence the recent application obo Meghan for Summary Judgement.

      The strategy now is just to fill google with pointless searches on the subject so that future commentators cannot see the wood for the trees. If I were Meg I’d request a scrubbing of any inaccurate articles from the internet when she wins so that the only things that stands is that they f*cked up and she won.

      The hate camping against her is tiring.

      • Lady2Lazy says:

        @ Mignionette, that is exactly what they are doing. They don’t have close contact or inside scoops on H&M anymore, so they are sinking deeper into the depths of unethical and conniving.

    • Royalwatcher says:

      I feel the same way. Sadly, the trash paper’s strategy is working because of the number of people on this thread talking about her suing for invasion of privacy…which she isn’t. The case is about copyright infringement.

  9. Nic919 says:

    The book was published well after the DM published the letter without her consent so I fail to see how this relates to copyright in anyway. And telling a friend they can talk about the letter still doesn’t remove the fact that the letter had already been published at this point.

    And if Meghan consulted Jason Knauf on how to deal with her father then it shows she was trying to work with KP on how to deal with this. She didn’t just randomly send out a letter. How this gets used against her is behind absurd. Asking him “hey does this sound ok” still doesn’t remove her copyright.

    • Rebecca says:

      It’s quite interesting how there were suddenly all these articles about how the Sussexes “didn’t take advice” from palace advisors.

      Seems to me they got burned when they took advice from KP minions regarding writing the letrer, saw that it backfired when Thomas sold the letter to the DM. They were then left high and dry when KP chose to not defend or allow Meghan to defend herself.

      Wasn’t this also the time when there were rumblings that the Sussexes wanted their own court? Because if their shared advisors not only fumbled, but we’re actively protecting the Cambridges from botox and infidelity claims, but muzzling Meghan when it came to her defending herself from her own father, I can see how they felt it was imperative to have advisors who worked FOR them, without split loyalties.

    • Snappyfish says:

      Completely agree FF was published well after the letter. I haven’t read the book BUT if the letter was discussed within it’s pages I am guessing that is the avenue the Mail’s legal team wandered down in their brief to have it admitted into evidence.

      The only legal issue I see is The DoS stated she didn’t assist the authors. (No crime if she did) but now after that statement it comes out that she “authorized or allowed” others to take her side to the authors. That causes a credibility issue BUT STILL NOT what the case is about.

      This is muddying the waters. This case will be settled in her favor but she will not get a summary judgement

      • BnLurkN4eva says:

        But she didn’t assist the authors even if she knew her friends were speaking to the authors. That’s a clear distinction that anyone should get and the MOS knows even before you consider that the book came after the letter was published.

  10. ABritGuest says:

    let me get this straight- senior royals advised Meghan to write to her father & she did & then we know from court papers that KP had imposed no comment policy for her. So palace didn’t let her comment when he continued lying about no contact for months after? Wow. I wonder who the two royals are. I’m guessing Charles & Camilla. Can’t really see her discussing with William although guess he would know if Jason was in the loop.

    Also remember that vanity fair story that the Queen had wanted BP to handle Thomas but the Sussexes refused? That would have been after she sent the letter. So who leaked that? I imagine the Queen would have been informed of the letter if as she mentioned in the filings there is some protocol for media facing issues.

    So much tea has been spilt from this case & not good for the royals especially as the Fail seems to be pointing fingers at Jason Knauf

    • CC. says:

      Do you think that’s what the lawyer on GMB/whatever Piers is on meant? There’s a clip of a guy saying that the lawsuit will show why the Sussexes are very angry about the family.

      My guess so far is that they strongly encouraged Meghan to write a letter, may give her ideas of what to include and told her this is the best way. Everyone smiles and agrees. Meghan writes it. It got leaked (was it leaked right after or during the SA tour?), but anyway, at a time where they needed to. Letter was edited.

      Here’s the reach though, I think they told the father to leak it, or take the blame. Told her not to sue. Harry and Meghan probably suspected this and got really pissed when Meghan couldn’t have a say in it. Harry releases a statement defending Meghan, and both felt like they had been set up. The RF didn’t expect that they would sue.

      Is that a reach? I feel like this is so plausible lol

      • ABritGuest says:

        Remember when Meghan’s filings said she felt unprotected by the institution. The palace briefed that they couldn’t defend stories that were ‘true’.

        Meghan wrote to her father in August, but by December a palace aide was reported as saying Sussexes had turned down BP help to manage Thomas & he did another interview with Piers. If truly from palace aide & not press BS, why would they leak that false narrative which suggested Sussexes were not only ignoring Thomas but also palace advice?

        I’m sure KP would have been approached for comment on these articles& interview. I can understand not wanting to blatantly call Thomas a liar or go into details of the communication with her dad, but if they had mentioned her contact attempts through “sources” I’m sure the Thomas interviews would have stopped. But then remember that section of Tim Shipman Times article which suggested a parallel between Bill meeting with editors in prep for being king & those editors’ decision to side with the palace & have lots of coverage on the Thomas Markle debacle.

        I think after that court filing (which also set out that KP had a no comment policy for Meghan), the press also casually mentioned that when Meghan’s ex agent blabbed to the Fail & Jessica Mulroney called the agent to be like WTF, Jason Knauff reassured the Fail editor that it wouldn’t happen again- i.e. Meghan’s friends wouldn’t be defending her in the future.

        The press seem to be bringing up Jason a lot..

      • Becks1 says:

        So, timeline clarification. Meghan wrote the letter in the summer of 2018. the People mag article came out in January 2019 (I think), THEN the letter was published. the letter was not leaked until after the people article. Meghan filed the lawsuit during the South Africa tour in the fall of 2019.

        We also have the GMB guy (McGuire?) saying that if everything came out people would be sympathetic to the Sussexes, we have Tom Bradby saying that things were said that could not be unsaid, and Keir Simmons being quoted on Twitter as saying there is something big that the press cannot report on for “legal reasons” but it has nothing to do with the Sussexes.

        So, there is a lot going on and there are enough comments like those to make it evidence that things were REALLY bad behind the scenes and the Firm sounds very broken.

      • Woowza says:

        @Becks
        But is it ever going to come out? I thought legal documents were public in the UK. So why can’t the press report on it?

  11. equality says:

    It still makes no sense why any of this would give the DM the right to publish copyrighted material. If somebody were writing a book and got advice or discussed it with somebody or even published parts of it in a magazine, that wouldn’t give the right to twist the words or to publish verbatim to another publisher.

    • Belli says:

      Yeah just so we’re clear what they’re trying to argue…

      If a tabloid gets hold of a manuscript of a book manuscript someone’s writing, they’re allowed to publish it if that person told anyone they were writing a book, got advice on the plot from a writers’ group, sent a copy to a friend, or kept a copy themselves?

      Bull.

    • Harper says:

      Every published book/manuscript has gone through the hands of a literary agent, literary agent’s assistant, agents at publishing houses, assistants to agents at publishing houses, editors, proofreaders, marketers, advance copy reviewers and none of the above sullies the right to retain copyright. So the whole “Jason Knauf aided” wording, which is purposely obtuse, is just part of a scam. The Fail knows they have no case but they LOVE trashing Meghan and Harry and will continue to do so. Maybe Charles can shut this case down by exchanging a leak with the Fail about Will & Rose.

  12. PEARL GREY says:

    The Mail did not have permission to publish the letter. The end.

  13. Lemons says:

    I would just like to know what exactly those of us who support Meghan have gotten wrong. I would love some clarification on that. I can’t really see what is being hidden from us that is so egregious that the DM will win their lawsuit, but @Lotoya, you can always enlighten us.

    • Nic919 says:

      If Meghan was so great at manipulating the media then there are a whole lot of negative stories about her that wouldn’t be published. She’s not the one with a media blackout about cheating like William.

  14. PEARL GREY says:

    @LOTOYA

    Anyone who has been subjected to a 4 year public campaign to malign them would want to “get their side out.” There’s nothing “manipulative“ about that. If that’s the case, then they are all manipulative, as they all have writers and journalist mouthpieces working for them to combat negative media narratives. The others haven’t stayed silent in the face of press scrutiny, even for the most trivial of matters such as Botox.

  15. Rebecca says:

    She wrote the letter in August 2018. Thomas gave several interviews and said he hadn’t heard from Meghan since the wedding (while being in possession of the letter, and he even sent a reply where he asked for a photo op). A friend then mentioned the existence of the letter when defending Meghan against claims that she’d abandoned her dad in People. Mind you, the DM was in possession of said letter since Thomas took it from his mailbox and continued to published articles claiming Thomas had zero contact. The DM then published an edited version of the letter in February 2019.

    So, when exactly did she tell the friend it’s OK that if they talk the writers of the book? Do we know if it was before or after the DM breached copyright by publishing it without her permission? From my understanding, Omid said he started working on the book in 2017. So, how do we know that “permission” wasn’t given BEFORE, and the DM (and others) are just muddying the waters? Would the friend keep going back to Meghan to ask if it’s Ok to discuss certain topics every single time?

    It’s was apparent how she felt in the extracts the DM edited and published. So, I’m confused how this is being presented by the DM (and others) as some sort of gotcha.

    Also…the DM tried this same defense when they lost Prince Charles’s case in 2005. They claimed Charles working directly with a previous biographer during the Diana drama precluded any copyright claim because he had let other things get published.

    So, it’s weird they are choosing to go with a strategy that they know will lose. To me, this is strictly about milking this for headlines/engagment, and it’s surprising the judge hasn’t gagged them.

    • Ginger says:

      I agree Rebecca. The DM should not be allowed to make money off this case. I have noticed Omid has been completely silent on the case since his book was put in the trial. I don’t know if he was advised to stay silent or he is choosing to.

    • BnLurkN4eva says:

      The DM knows that some people will be anything they read and others will believe anything they print about Meghan so they have a rapt audience to entertain, so why would they not continue this losing argument when there are so many people eager to eat up every word and continue their abuse of Meghan in the process.

  16. Mignionette says:

    Urggghh the MoS are playing fast and loose with the letter of the law (AGAIN).

    Facts in operation;

    - Meghan holds the copyright in the absence of any information, which proves the contrary. Asking your PS to proofread it does not invalidate that copyright and the letter was in her hand on her headed paper and clearly of a private nature addressed ‘Daddy’.
    Letting third parties know that you had written to Bad Dad does not invalidate the copyright as the letter itself was not disclosed.

    - The letter itself was not in the public domain.

    - Meghan did not give any permission for the letter to be reproduced in any way.

    The MoS’s strategy appears to be to prove somehow that the letter is part of some carefully orchestrated media campaign. Good f*cking luck proving that Meghan wrote the letter with the sheer purpose of exposing Toxic Daddy. That is virtually impossible to prove.

    Also do the royals really want to lose all rights to their letters in the future just to suck it to Meghan?

    I know that Meg is suing on the basis of Privacy, Data Protection and Copyright here, but potentially she also has an action in Defamation as the MoS selectively used parts of the letter to misrepresent and malign her. I hope she wins on all 3 counts and then adds the 4th head and takes them to the cleaners.

  17. Snappyfish says:

    You have a valid point . Step away from the subjects & look only at the law. I don’t really know why saying FF would be admissible in this case but the Judge has allowed it. The Duchess has stated that she did not provide any information to its authors. I don’t know in what manner, be it in writing or under oath in writing or just audibly through her lawyers. Giving information or allowing a third-party to speak on your behalf makes the previous comment disingenuous. There are three things that are very important when trying cases, know what you know, know what you don’t know & never lie to the judge.

    I think in the end this case will be bloody & but it will be settled. The fact that KP & possibly PC are now know to be involved it will go the way of the Paul Burrell case where at the 11th hour HMQE2 suddenly remembered he had Diana’s permission to have the items he was “keeping”

  18. lola says:

    @Lotoya People in here are not idiots or blind as you seem to presume. YOU miss the point and what people in this website have been saying all along: DOUBLE STANDARDS. Why should she be crucified and called manipulative for something done daily in the RF? Being in the public eye one needs to play the game (control of one’s image, sharing information etc.) everyone does and yet she’s vilified for something the RF and each member do. It doesn’t matter if she shared her side of her story, for about 4 years her truth has been ignored and she has been harassed by the media (tabloids) with false stories etc.
    No matter what Meghan does/did it will never be worse than what the RF did. Unless she eats puppies no revelation is going to change how vile that family is or how the British tabloids are rubbish. People calling Meghan manipulative always make me laugh, please…Best manipulation is making a whole country think that the RF is necessary and should be worshipped and paid lol.

  19. lanne says:

    Being a part of the royal family was such a privelege that someone as unworthy as Meghan should have been groveling on her knees every day grasping at any crumbs of respect that came her way. That was the script written by the courtiers and the tabloids. This is all punishment for Meghan and Harry’s audacity to refuse to play their assigned roles. All Meghan and Harry need do now is live their lives on their own terms, raise their son, and be thankful they are away from that toxic cesspool. The tabloids only hurt themselves if they poison the uk public against the Sussexes. All that means is that they will rarely, if ever, return. Their loss, the worlds gain. Everyone loves the story of an underdog, and romance in the face of conflict and strife is one of the most compelling narratives out there. The tabloids and the RF are the bad guys in the HM story, and are helping create a legend that will haunt them for generations. They have learned nothing from Diana. There will be a Harry and Meghan film in the near future that’s going to hit as hard as the crown.

  20. Snap Happy says:

    Should she win her legal case – yes.

    Does this make her look manipulative of the narrative – a little.

    Her detractors don’t care what other royals have done because they don’t see her as Royal. She is an interloper in their minds. Even her supporters assumed she sent that letter to her father with an ulterior purpose. She was praised here for laying a trap for her father. Her supporters also suspected she had something to do with the book. They should have said they had no direct link to Scobie and Durant, but that they approved other people to talk to them. Coming out now doesn’t do them any favors, even if they technically didn’t lie.

    • Snappyfish says:

      @snap happy (like the name). 100% right. It’s a bloody mess & everyone walks away with a patina of tarnish.

      She will win her case or it will be settled in her favor prior to the court date. She will lose in summary judgment.

    • ABritGuest says:

      Yeah but there were articles before FF was published that said Harry & Meghan were relaxed about friends and aides talking to the authors so don’t think that she gave someone the ok to mention she did try contacting her dad isnt that surprising. I didn’t read FF but excepts I saw about “Harry\Meghan felt” etc always seemed to be commentary from friends or aides, from court docs, previous articles or obvious guesses

  21. tee says:

    Like clockwork, the RF faces some heat, and then new content to bash Meghan with emerges. What a convenient punching bag she’s been.

    This lawsuit really has to be a drain on both resources and mental capacity. I realllly hope she wins her summary judgement.

  22. Beach Dreams says:

    For all the crowing the RRs did about this story yesterday, I find it quite interesting that the newspapers chose to put the William/BBC story on the front pages. Normally the media never misses a chance to attack Meghan in the headlines, but the only paper that gave any front page attention was The Times, and it was one of the smaller headlines to the corner, focusing specifically on the two senior royals bit. This is implicating the royal family and we may finally be getting a glimpse of what Kevin MacGuire meant when he said that more people would support H&M if they knew the real story.

    Personally I think the two senior royals are either William and Charles or William and Kate. William is the common denominator, and these three make the most sense when looking at the senior royals as a whole. It was after this debacle that H&M were looking to leave KP entirely, so I feel like at least William must’ve been one of the two.

  23. GuestWho says:

    So what do we think the odds are that Jason, who had seen drafts of the letter, told the DM that the letter had been written and that they should get Sperm Donor’s handler to weasel it out of him?

  24. LucyLee says:

    I doubt M is going to drop this suit. The goal is not about winning but rather to expose the truth. Now that M is in the US and H is with her the BM needs a new playbook. M has no reason to drop the case. Plus, this season of The Crown does the family nor the media any favors. Outside of the Divided Kingdom the BRF is Palace Trash.

  25. aquarius64 says:

    Either way the BRF is dirty by this. Having full knowledge of the letter gives credence to the Times story that William gave the order to the BM to weaponize Bad Dad. The palace wants this suit to go away but it won’t. Bringing the royals in it gets more clicks.

  26. Its just me says:

    so what , she’s not allowed to share shit with her friends? None of this would have happened if the BRF told Meghan not to write a letter. And this Piers Morgan started the entire thing. He is Today’s Martin Bashir and the face of the English male to the world. it used to be James Bond, now its Piers Morgan.

  27. Its just me says:

    we are getting totally different coverage about this in USA from Reuters and AP then the British Press releases. Only the Guardian fits USA press releases.
    2 Senior Royals suggested Meghan write this letter to her asshole Father.

  28. Its just me says:

    Duchess Meghan did pass along info to Scobie & Durand through a third party.
    AGAIN, SO WHAT?
    She’s suppose to be quiet not say a thing, keep it all inside and allow Piers Morgan to bring that old fool stupid father on TV every month to throw out lies. And DM did not know about Scobie’s book it until August 2020,. Now go back and review Prince Charles memoir copyright lawsuit. There was no Media defense saying “well Charles told a friend 3 years later about his memoir and some excerpts ended up in a book so we’re off the hook”.

  29. Lowrider says:

    Duh!

    But what does this have to do with the copywrite letter?

  30. A says:

    Everything about this is garbage. After the awful racist headline from the tabs abt Harry yesterday, what I’m hoping for is that the Daily Mail dies in my lifetime. It’s a rag that doesn’t deserve the paper it’s printed on.

  31. Brc says:

    Remember when we thought she should write letter to her dad. We all knew he would sell it to the highest bidder. He acted out just as we had predicted. Why has this letter caused so much pain for Meghan. The selling of said letter just proves how vile and low life her dad can actually be. Should automatically be a win for Meghan. The public can obviously see the toxicity of her dads mind processes

  32. Sunnyvale says:

    I disagree with you @Kaiser about the palace having power to “shut down” this case. They lost all control over them after their exit+people keep forgetting that Meghan is American meaning she’s not beholden to RF or anyone in UK. It’s also unlikely that boris would interfere as he’s in enough s*** of his own.
    Reading the court hearing I didnt see where she admitted to giving permission and knowing how pagesix is Murdoch owned I think this is another case of tabloids having each others backs! As harry is suing the sc** they all clearly have a agenda to smear and distort facts about this case

  33. Noki says:

    But i think the point is, whether she manipulates the press and which ever media or press SHE decides to be in cahoots with is her choice(as many royals have done and do). The mail still had no right to publish the letter whether she asked a pulitzer prize winner to proof read it or not. All high profile people in the media have to have some degree of relationship with the media for the sake of good public relations.

  34. Mignionette says:

    @Noki – Agreed but there is a maxim under English law which says that “those who come to equity must come with clean hands”.

    So they’re trying to argue that she is attempting to misuse the law as a sword and not a shield and further that she wrote the letter for the sole purpose of entrapping bad Dad in full knowledge that he would publish the letter and on that basis the law does not apply here as Meghan has not acted in the spirit for which the statute was intended.

    The problem with this approach is that the standard and burden of proof is so high that the MoS would need a LITERAL smoking gun or a witness at the scene of the crime. Basically someone at KP would need to fold and take the fall. And even then that person would need to testify against Meghan and prove she was a liar.

    The whole tatic above is problematic and solely for the purpose of setting KP against Meghan and trying to force he to ‘shut up”. It might have worked 1 year ago when M&H were financially uncertain but now it’s a very risky strategy.

  35. Its just me says:

    THEY keep changing their story because they are losing.. Notice the Judge told DM Thomas Markle is a minor character and he sees no value in him coming to the UK. A big blow to DM who wanted Thomas to be the main show. A face off in court thing. ( I got good laugh) Finally after 2 years the real back story is coming out ,not DM 7 lying stories a day..
    I believe the BRF senior members had no clue to what lengths DAD would go., I believe Meghan and Doris knew hence why Meghan sought help.

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