People are speculating some really horrible things about the Armie Hammer exposé

Armie Hammer wears Calvin Klein at the 22nd Annual Hollywood Film Awards

As I’m sitting here, writing on a Tuesday morning, it feels like the calm before the storm. This week will probably be about Donald Trump’s impeachment trial, but what if a big celebrity-related story breaks this week too? I keep waiting for updates on the Armie Hammer situation, because I’ve convinced myself that something big is coming out sooner rather than later. I mean, it’s clear that something is about to break – Armie’s agents and publicists wouldn’t have cut ties so suddenly over the weekend. I spent all of Monday waiting for a major publication to drop some bombshell about Hammer, but nothing happened. All of which means that people on the internet are spinning some theories.

Twitter is waiting with bated breath as rumours continue to swirl that an explosive story on embattled actor Armie Hammer is set to drop at any minute. Celebrity gossip Instagram account Deux Moi shared screenshots of a number of submissions that predicted a large US media outlet had a shocking story about Hammer due to be published imminently. The contents of the story remain unknown at the time of publishing, but the nature of Hammer’s previous allegations – which include sexual assault, coercion and emotional abuse, in addition to the disturbing sexual proclivities revealed in a number of unverified Instagram DMs – appear to indicate that it can’t be good. The story is said to be the reason behind the Call Me By Your Name star’s agency and publicist both suddenly dropping him over the weekend.

Twitter users have gone into overdrive trying to predict what the claims could be against Hammer, who allegedly referred to himself as a “cannibal” in leaked DMs posted by the Instagram account House of Effie. Some are going so far as to suggest that Hammer could be accused of murder, with the remains of three women apparently found near a location he was filming last year. As talk continued about the upcoming exposé, House of Effie posted (then quickly deleted) an Instagram Story about the developments. “Holy s–t. I know what’s going to come out. It’s bad. Really bad,” read the text posted on the Story. “Like I’m shaking and feel like I’m gonna throw up bad…”

Speculation has reached fever pitch, with some online sleuths alleging that the disappearance of a woman just outside of Palm Springs in June of last year was at the same time the actor was said to be working in the area. Remains were found this month, leading many commenters to draw connections between the upcoming story and the timely discovery of a body, however GRAZIA is not suggesting that this is anything more than social media conjecture. Deux Moi, meanwhile, seems to believe that this theory is incorrect, as an anonymous source says Hammer “had girls there the whole time” while filming, and that he “wouldn’t have done a whole press thing there if he had killed two people”. Either way, things are getting wild.

[From Grazia]

Does anyone around here read Jonathan Kellerman’s Alex Delaware series? I swear, Kellerman had a book about a Hollywood star who was secretly a serial killer and, like, into dissecting bodies and sh-t. I keep getting flashbacks to that book (even though I thought at the time that Kellerman based the star and his wife on Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie). Anyway! I keep going back and forth about whether I believe the Armie exposé will be about murder. I really don’t know!

Meanwhile, did you see that Brandi Glanville tried to, like, cannibal thirst-tweet Armie? She tweeted “Dear @armiehammer You can have my rib cage [heart emoji] how do you just keep getting hotter and hotter #letsbbq.” My God. She then tweeted “Guys I DID NOT KNOW the extent of what’s being alleged against AH. I just read he was getting divorced and thought he was hot. No more headline p–n for me! I have learned my lesson.” Narrator’s voice: she has not learned her lesson.

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  1. Ohlala says:

    Someone called him a perfect nickname: Cannibalistic Ken doll.

    • SusieQ says:

      I can’t get over how dead his eyes look. Every photo of him unnerves me.

      • Miss V says:

        He legitimately looks like a psychopath. There is something sinister about the way he looks that is scary.

      • NotSoSocialButterfly says:

        Funny how the *worst* people have the brightest blue eyes.

        *I’ll see myself out… running for cover presently*

      • BnLurkN4eva says:

        @NotSoSocialButterfly you are the 2nd person in as many days I’ve seen linked blue eyes to bad people, is there something I’m missing? I’ve never seen anyone link eye color to good/bad before so I’m just curious if this is something people have been talking about and I missed it.

      • Dani says:

        Miss V – the first time I watched the social network (like, when it came out in theaters lol) I looked over at my now husband and I legit said, this guy is definitely a serial killer.

      • Nikki* says:

        NotSoSOcialButterfly: Paul Newman had the bluest eyes and was one of the greatest guys EVER. He had a great sense of humor, and made millions for charities, including a camp for very ill children. I have bright blue eyes & I’m kind.

    • coolspray says:

      That is PERFECT!

  2. Christina says:

    I swear I am checking the news 5 times a day for this expose to drop. Last night I woke up to pee and checked my phone. I used to like him quite a bit and was very taken by the whole perfect family shtick that his wife displayed on Insta. Now, I am horrified and so, so sorry for her. I follow House of Effie and she also said that “what he and his friends have done is much worse than I have shared”, or something along those lines. I, too, get the feeling this is going to be big.

    • bub244 says:

      Oh dear, we are the same!! It’s the first thing I’ve googled for the last three mornings. Although all the rumours indicated the article would come Sunday or yesterday so now I’m not sure. Poor Effie though. The screenshots make my stomach hurt.

    • Jamie says:

      I kept checking back throughout the day yesterday. I wonder if it’ll drop after the impeachment trial is over so it won’t have to share the news cycle.

    • Isabella says:

      She is MAGA, don’t feel bad for her at all.

      • sassafras says:

        I don’t believe even MAGA women should be victims of abuse or trauma. C’mon. We’re better than that.

      • Christina says:

        The rumor that she is MAGA started around the time the rumors of their breakup started, as a way to justify the divorce. Poor Armie can’t stand his MAGA wife, lol. I follow her on Insta and she’s been posting BLM and Biden/Harris stuff, so obviously, not MAGA. Armie’s mother is pro-Trump, but Elizabeth is living with Armie’s father and his wife (not Armie’s mom) in the Caymans.

  3. Rapunzel says:

    He has money, which could help bury any story. But the whole thing makes me nauseous. Brandi is a moron, of course.

    • Nanny to the Rescue says:

      He has money and connections, but I don’t think he’s enough A list to bury it now, not anymore. Too many people have noticed.

    • Golly Gee says:

      If it comes down to murder, I wonder if the Caymans have an extradition treaty with the US?

    • Nina Simone says:

      Does he though? One of his exes recently said he is broke and that his family apparently cut him off because he wanted to be an actor. Don’t know how true that is

      • JULIE says:

        I kept asking why he’s broke. My friends husband is a family attorney and his thought was he was trying to “hide” his money during the divorce. There was also an article that the grandfather lost a bunch of it

      • Maxime duCamp says:

        I listened to a podcast episode on the AH scandal. The podcast is “So bad it’s good” and he had on some rando Instagram person (Sophie Ross? is she insta-well-known?) who was spouting a lot of her own speculation as fact. But the host , Ryan Bailey, took acting classes with Armie and had some stories, although nothing that pointed to the current scandal. He liked to party, plenty of girls throwing themselves at him and the one semi-relevant one was that he lived in this gorgeous and obviously expensive apartment but told everyone that it belonged to a friend and he was just couch surfing there. Later another classmate told Ryan, “no, that is his apartment, he just doesn’t want everyone to know he’s rich.” At the time it seemed innocent enough and understandable. The guest also speculated that him telling his exes that he was broke was part of his manipulation to make them feel sorry for him, which seems plausible but I can also see hiding money due to the pending divorce as well.

      • KnivesOut says:

        Milk and Honey Roses speculated he was probably locked out of joint accounts by Elizabeth. Paige Lorenze said they had to drive for hours because he couldn’t afford plane tickets to wherever his mother lived, for Thanksgiving.

    • lucy2 says:

      It depends. Weinstein, Cosby, Lauer, they all had the money and power to hide stuff for a long time, but it all ending up coming out. And AH doesn’t personally have that level of money or power, or seemingly many people willing to cover for him.

  4. PamelaJudy says:

    How can you not know the extent of the allegations and yet so perfectly replicate them??

  5. Queen Meghan’s Hand says:

    A not-so-blind blind item linked on Deux Moi said that one of his lovers became pregnant and he beat her so savagely she miscarried.

    If Johnny Depp still has a team, then you know this is horrible horrible.

    It may be horrible gruesome or horrible in that it implicates his reps as well.

    • Eleonor says:

      That really says something.

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      I read somewhere that he’s been telling people that his agent was complicit and enabled by ‘sourcing’ for him.

    • Sarah says:

      Johnny Depp has made a lot of people a lot of money and very, very connected. Armie not so much. They are both violent assholes but sadly not comparable.

      • Sofia says:

        Armie comes from a rich family. His great-grandfather was a CEO of and I think got a controlling stake in an oil company that makes something like 21 billion dollars in profit. So he’s got the money and the connections (which is perhaps why he managed to get away with it for so long) but as someone said above, it’s going to very very, very difficult to hide it and get away with it

      • Sarah says:

        @sofia that’s true, but acting was his rich boy hobby and that industry doesn’t care about him, which is why he never really “happened”. His oil money might protect him, but Hollywood is letting us know that they don’t care about this particular predator because he doesn’t make *them* money.

      • Sofia says:

        @Sarah I get what you mean. And you’re right. Hollywood won’t take a massive interest in protecting him like they did with Weinstein up until a certain time and continue to do with Woody Allen

      • Julie says:

        I really do not understand how people think that his great-grandfather is somehow protecting him from prosecution. His own grandfather served time for crime, guys. They are rich and they are wealthy but they are not in the “bury a body” league. That league requires not just money but political leverage (like Weinstein) or Kompromat (like Epstein) on very powerful people (like Trump or Clinton levels).

        No, if he hasn’t been charged for a crime it is because people have not reported it, plain and simple. Which is why these social media exposes gets so annoying. Sure talk about it because it warns potential victims and energizes other victims to come forward but for goodness sake also post some kind of police report.

      • HeyJude says:

        They are not comparable because Depp has nowhere near the connects of the Hammer family. They’re one of the most high profile “citizen diplomacy” families in the world. Armand Hammer invented that concept and spent his life currying friendships and favor with some of the world’s most powerful from the Kennedys to the British Royals, including Prince Charles. He was also a spy for Russia. All while reigning over the billionaire industrialist class with his ownership of Occidental Petroleum, which provided him with oil baron connections world wide. He also made massive donations to platinum level philanthropic entities like the Met, the Kennedy Center, the National Gallery, opening even more doors and connections through them. The influence of the Hammer family is absolutely unmatched by very few in Hollywood, outside of maybe the Gettys or Hearsts.

        Johnny Depp at the end of the day is just an actor in comparison. Money maker or not that’s his caste in these levels of the ultra-elite class that we’re talking about.

    • Nanny to the Rescue says:

      Depp is a scumbag, but if what you wrote about Hammer is true, than he is much much worse than Johnny. Johnny seems prone to substance abuse, followed by domestic violence (and should be punished for it), but doesn’t seem to actually be a sadist, unlike Armie here.

      (Not defending Johnny, just saying there are levels of how effed up people can be.)

      • KnivesOut says:

        Yes, Johnny was a vicious drunk in a toxic relationship and Amber was an enabler, provoker, and victim – all in one. But he was not pathologically sadistic or sociopathic. Most people nominate someone like Nelson Mandela or whatever when asked about their dream dinner guest. This guy had no qualms saying Marquis de Sade.

      • Bread and Circuses says:

        Johnny has shown plenty of capacity to be sadistic when it comes to Amber Heard — chasing her all over with insane lawsuits, fantasizing about murdering her, and hiring bot-armies to smear her name online.

        But I understand your point — he’s not a sadist, in the sense of cruelty being an appetite he has. Johnny is mired in an extended fit of near-murderous vindictiveness, but it’s directed at one person. It’s not an any-victim-will-do craving like Armie shows signs of.

    • Jamie says:

      I know very little about DeuxMoi…how do we know they’re a reputable source? Do their blinds often get “solved”/proven to be true?

      • Sofia says:

        Sometimes their stuff is proven true i.e someone will say a celeb broke up and a week later, there’s an announcement in People or something.

        But like all gossip sites, stuff on it should be taken with a grain of salt (NOT talking/referring to serious accusations like the Armie stuff)

      • Eva says:

        It’s not trustworthy, anyone can send gossip to deuxmoi, the mod herself said she doesn’t check the posts, she goes on posting everything, people believe because people love fake news. That’s why guys like Trump win.

      • Julie says:

        @Eva thank you. Deuxmoi and other similar sites operate on confirmation bias and the public’s love of fake news. The more outrageous the better because people like to think that rich people are up to the most outrageous nonsense all day every day. I believe Armie is dodgy because actual women have come forward to say so. Whatever Deuxmoi posts on her social media is just incidental to that.

      • NotSoSocialButterfly says:

        From my understanding, the site is a sort of confessional for the star adjacent to purge themselves of what they know that they find disturbing?

      • Jenn says:

        Eva’s comment about “fake news” is right on. Not to remark on any one specific blind-items website, but I have indeed noticed that many of them have been gravitating toward right-wing conspiracy-trafficking — even reprinting some pretty gruesome pizzagate falsehoods, the type that actively contribute to real-world harassment and threats. It really seems like blind items are just one more communication channel vulnerable to disinformation campaigning, and it’s taken a lot of the joy out of cheesy gossip for me :/

      • Gunna says:

        They aren’t a reputable source at all. They just post whatever ‘tips’ people send in, no fact checking or anything.

        When they’re right it’s because whatever happened was clearly going to happen eg. it’s easy to preempt a lot of breakups because it’s often very obvious when a couple is building towards a divorce announcement.

    • thecookingpan says:

      That’s what I think, it may not be as extreme as everybody is imagining, but somewhere along the line his reps have either been the enablers or are implicated and that’s why they’ve done a runner and this has made speculation even wilder.

  6. Sarah says:

    I don’t think it’s actually murder…one would hope that journalists with that kind of credible info would turn it over to the police rather than drop it on Buzzfeed. Then again, he’s clearly escalating and that’s where this is heading if he isn’t stopped.

    • Kiera says:

      Agree I don’t think it’s murder either. It’s something horribly taboo/his team could not figure out a way to ever spin it.

      Hence I come back to my theory yesterday of consensual cannibalism. Not illegal but not something society will at large be ok with. He has the money to pay, the intermediaries to arrange, and clearly the interest.

    • Eni says:

      In fact, journalists are absolutely doing their job right when they report on criminal activities in the news… That’s how powerful criminals get exposed, otherwise you know, evidence magically get lost, suits miraculously get dropped, and the rich and powerful never face the music.

      • Sarah says:

        Yes, I know that. Which is why I said if there is irrefutable evidence of *murder* it should be turned over to the police, not just in exposé form. Both things should happen.

    • Ninks says:

      There was a murder case in Ireland a few years ago where a man was sending really disturbing texts to a woman and acting out some really disturbing fantasies it escalated to the point where he murdered her. The Armie texts remind me so much of that case. I don’t think he’s murdered anybody yet, but I could see it happening in the future if he isn’t stopped.

      • H says:

        Yes, I saw the documentary on that. The man looked normal, had a wife and kids, good job. The gf and he had a D/s relationship and the man was very abusive. I think Armie is this guy if he’s not stopped.

      • Ohlala says:

        What was the case? The one with renown architect? With the missing case amd abandoned car?

    • Jellybean says:

      I grew up watching Jimmy Saville and Rolph Harris. I had a long-time co-worker go to prison for the worst of crimes. This could be going there, it happens. But the legitimate media and the police seem to have this now, so I think I will try to switch off on all this for a while. It is too horrible.

    • Eva says:

      I find it irresponsible to accuse him of murder before something comes out, even more stating that he is responsible for the disappearance of a woman in California. People need to know how to wait for what is coming over them, if something is really coming.

  7. Justjj says:

    I honestly think ppl are amping this up and it’s going to be a bunch of “verified” tweets, and or someone in the industry coming forward visibly (not anonymously) in the expose, and charges have been filed somewhere or something.

    • lunchcoma says:

      I think the murder speculation is a bit overboard as well. Some of the women he abused were very young adults. I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a teenage girl in the mix, perhaps one who’s willing to talk to a journalist who can verify her texts.

      • Justjj says:

        Yup. This is my guess. An underage girl with texts who is willing to go public, someone who works in the industry who directly witnessed or was subjected to abuse who is willing to go public, statutory rape charges filed by a family of one of his victims, or something similar to that…

      • lucy2 says:

        That’s my guess too.

        Though I do find it a bit odd that there are 2 separate instances listed above of remains being found.

  8. Feebee says:

    Is it just me not really thinking too much about Armie Hammer or did this whole thing escalate really quickly? He seems to have gone from guy who likes reddening a butt cheek or two to possible serial murderer in a few weeks. Having said that, if he is a murderer it is the kind of thing that might come out like this.

    • KnivesOut says:

      Years of alleged abusive behaviour in relationships. All just coming out now. House of Effie (2016/7 – 2020, while ex-wife was preg with son!) admits she’s still in love with him, whom she recognises as her abuser. I agree with some of the reddit people that she went public after he announced his divorce and went public with Paige instead of going official with her.

  9. Sam the Pink says:

    I mean its pretty obvious something is coming, because he wouldn’t have been dropped otherwise. What it is, who knows? I’d assume its probably either a woman who is fairly known in her own right coming forward, or its multiple women willing to go on the record and name names. That, or underage stuff.

    I also really hope that if any of it is actionable, the authorities get involved.

  10. Laalaa says:

    He looks like Dracula.
    Or Edward Cullen’s dad.

  11. JT says:

    Have any of those DMs been verified yet? This entire story has escalated so quickly that I’m confused at what’s actually happening. There’s been a lot of speculation lately and no clear facts yet.

    Part of Armie being dropped probably has to with the fact that he wasn’t worth keeping on top of a scandal. His films haven’t made much money and he’s still a bit of an unknown quantity despite how long he’s been acting; he isn’t a household name. Depp has made some serious money for people so he’s worth keeping.

    • Cat says:

      There is tons of evidence in the DMs that it was him was else do you want??? Numerous ex girlfriends have went to the press to tell them they 100% people the text messages as he did the same with them. His agents only last week said they didn’t plan on dropping him so what changed in the days after that leading them to drop him? If he wasn’t making them money then why chose to stand by him? They got hard evidence of something they can’t excuse or deny so they dropped him.

      • JT says:

        @Cat relax. I haven’t seen any of those DMs verified and wanting to know if they were does not make me a rape apologist either. And I am asking about the hard evidence, hence “were the DMs verified?” I haven’t absolved him nor did I doubt the women. I’m just trying to keep up with what’s going on and what has been found out. Last week people thought he was just a creep and now some of you are speculating that he is a murderer. And I already stated that having a major scandal such as this ON TOP OF not being a major star made him not worth keeping. We’ve seen how far agencies will keep a person as long as they are profitable e.g. Harvey Weinstein so chill.

      • Julie says:

        People are reading too much into him being dropped. He simply isn’t worth the trouble. He’s on tape bragging about cheating a drug test to see his kids. He’s on tape taking drugs. He’s on tape drinking while driving. So even before we get into the texts, he’s got a lot of work ahead of him to rehab his image. They may have simply dropped him because he refused to issue a statement apologizing for that and going into rehab. A mid tier actor whose with no hits who is not even helping himself.

        I seriously doubt there’s an uncovered crime in the mix. That’s simply not the kind of story journalists would sit on for this long. I mean are they looking to be scooped by savier journalists? And even in the face of police investigations, they would release something even if they withhold details. Nowhere in the history of journalism have the police been able to kibbutz a story for this long and no career climbing editor would allow it on her watch.

      • Maxime duCamp says:

        @Julie, I tend to agree with you, that he’s simply not worth the trouble, especially as he was never a big money maker pre-scandal. But as far as the journalists sitting on the story, if this is being written by legit news sources, like the LA Times, and not some tabloid, then their reporters would be working OT trying to get sources on record and then they would have to try to verify what they were told by those sources. It’s not something that they can just write and publish over a weekend.

      • Julie says:

        So blue tick twitter accounts were teasing a story that hadn’t even been vetted? And they have it locked down so tight there are no leaks and no hungry journalists running to scoop them for a less respectable outlet with a battery of lawyers say New York Post or National Enquirer or even the British tabloids? Really? If LA time is working on an article I bet it’s just consolidating the current allegations and then exploring the wider social issues.

      • Dani says:

        He’s not as stupid as you may think. He messages from social media platforms or whatsapp for a reason. Facebook and Instagram and Snapchat and even TikTok do not have to respond to subpoenas for messages etc. They are a privately held company. Hell, even VERIZON didn’t have to send in text logs for a criminal investigation I was part of years ago. Seeing a blue checkmark means nothing because it is essentially useless in terms of tracing back to the source.

    • cer says:

      I don’t think any of the recent DMS or other blind items have been verified.
      I think it was on Sunday’s thread someone compared DM to CDAN and the other, earlier blind gossipers. I understand the appeal of blind items, but I still see a lot of people dropping all skepticism when it comes to them.
      So I’m taking everything with an ocean sized grain of salt.

    • MM2 says:

      His own private IG where he has a woman on a bed & specifically treats her like an object, and even less than the pieces of furniture in the room, has been verified. He also does drugs on the IG & it’s overall just a peek into his sick mind. He did issue an apology to the official Miss Cayman because he called the woman in the video that label. Nice that he was worried about the organization (huge eye roll).
      There are enough women who have come forward, and evidence, that most people aren’t questioning the validity of the dms anymore.
      The news cycle last week was not that he was ‘just a creep’, because once the dms came out, it was obviously about abuse. Most of us accept the reality that severe physical abuse can quickly lead to death of women. It’s not that far of a jump, except to people who minimize abuse as ‘just being a creep’. Insinuating that it’s crazy for people to consider that he could potentially murder someone after his abuse has been outed is interesting. What a keen defense tool to put it back on the people processing his abuse…

  12. Nic919 says:

    I have to admit that I was surprised that they would be linking him to murder. I expect the expose to be along the lines of Jian Ghomeshi, which was basically a guy who assaults women in less powerful positions under the guise of bdsm.

    I guess I am wondering about the claims that armie had a construction job in the summer, which is what places him near the location of where the women disappeared. Is that accurate?

    • Rapunzel says:

      Oh dear, I’d forgotten that construction job, and now I can’t help but think construction sites are great places to dispose of a body.

      • Golly Gee says:

        And maybe the reason he suddenly decided to work in construction. It seems like a weird thing to do unless he’s always been into carpentry.

    • Dani says:

      It was confirmed yesterday or the day before that he wasn’t in the country when she Erika disappeared. He came back from Cayman sometime in either end of June or early July.

  13. Case says:

    I don’t think it’ll be murder, but I do think he 100% looks like a serial killer. Never got his appeal (and Hollywood clearly never did either despite trying to make him happen for a decade).

  14. LaUnicaAngelina says:

    I keep following this story and waiting for the other shoe to drop.

  15. Belig says:

    All I know is, he fits the profile of someone whose behavior escalates until they kill. Whether he had already, or the sh-tstorm stopped him in time…

    I read somewhere that he also said horrible stuff about his kids in the DMs. That might be what got him dropped. That, or the fact that he was implicating his agent in one of the DMs, saying he could blackmail him as he had dirt on him. The agent is not great either, apparently.

    • Jamie says:

      I completely missed that. What did he say about his kids?

    • Claire says:

      @belig yep, he does strike me as someone who is escalating and that’s no good. I wouldn’t be surprised if someone dug into his time as a kid in the Caymans and some disturbing stories turned up there…

      • Belig says:

        @Jamie, Jane posted it below: in an unverified DM, he allegedly says he wants to “Chris Watts” his kids = kill them.

        House of Effie publicly urged another victim (Milk, I think) to reveal what he had told her about his kids, and the other girl refused to do so, but didn’t deny there had been a shocking comment. So either he made this horrible comment to several different people, or it was several different horrible comments.

        Milder, but related:
        * he used his kid(s) as a cover for his affairs, taking his daughter to the park to see at least one of the women (and she might have been there while they were f-cking? I don’t remember)
        * some users at Reddit think he sexualizes his kids in a weird way, the toe-sucking video, another pic where his daughter applied sunscreen herself and her face looks like it’s covered in… something else… Idk.
        * I also read somewhere he was complaining about having to spend time with his kids, but I can’t remember where there was supposed to have come from.

        Just like the wife, it’s possible the kids were just a cover as well, and he doesn’t even care for them…

      • Belig says:

        @Claire: I’m surprised no former classmates have come out of the woodwork to tell us what he was like back then, and whether they’re surprised or saw this coming. Then again, with Hilari(a)’s, it took a few decades… And apparently, Armie’s family is all-powerful on Grand Cayman, so maybe they’re afraid of speaking up…

    • dj says:

      I saw him on an episode of Bear Grylls and he told stories about how he was an “outsider loner” kid. He kept getting kicked out of private schools. One story he told was he wrote his name in light fluid and lit it on fire. That got him kicked out of that private school again. So that alone would have got him an early diagnosis in the DSM as a child. I had a strong negative opinion about him there that he was “troubled” to say the least.

      • Jenn says:

        That sounds an awful lot like reactive attachment disorder (think “Child of Rage”). I feel like a lot of kids with RAD experience constant shame and may even *fear* that they’re sociopaths — especially if they suffer from “pure-O” OCD, which causes scary intrusive thoughts — but they generally are not, and are in fact entirely capable of living normal, healthy, happy lives. That’s why I’m really reluctant to jump to any conclusions about AH. However, I do feel sad for anyone who was abused by him, and my one wish in this life is that everyone with trauma would have the resources freely available to them to heal.

    • KnivesOut says:

      “All I know is, he fits the profile of someone whose behavior escalates until they kill. Whether he had already, or the sh-tstorm stopped him in time…”

      Totally agree. He’d get out of the house by saying he’s going to push the daughter out for a walk and leave the daughter to the side while he got a BJ (with Effie, I think), in the shrubs. Also talked about how he was so desperate on a flight that he was about to drag the flight attendant into the bathroom. This guy is a disturbed, impulsive, reckless person. With drugs and the right opportunity think he would have already succumbed to his sadism and acted out his fantasies of necrophilia and cannibalism mixed in with some form of sexual contact.

    • Jamie says:

      @Belig Omg, I’m stunned!!! I’m glad his wife got away from him before something worse happened to them.

  16. Ariel says:

    Beginning to think if there was a story, the family money paid to kill it.

  17. Godwina says:

    Yeah, I feel we’re about ripe for a high-profile person turning out to be a serial killer story.

  18. Janethetrain says:

    I know the internet is going cray with this. But there is apparently a text in which he says he wants to “Chris Watts” his family. Depp, Manson….all the POS’s we can name that still have reps don’t involve kids.

    Well except Pitt. But that’s a different story of course $$$

  19. Ally says:

    He looks just like my brother-in-law. Now I’m creeped out by my husband’s brother. 😬

  20. Crikey! says:

    Anyone else getting some Roose Bolton vibes?

  21. MM2 says:

    Something I find especially unnerving about AH is his use of his friends in his abuse. I think he traveled in a group of sick men & they are more dangerous as a rabid pack. His private IG where he shared his drug use & sexcapades is weird. His post about loving his friend who he lived & did construction work with pings red flags, & I’ve heard that he owned a hotel with his friends (scary as hell). I have no idea what the article will include, but I do know that these mofos are more dangerous & mentally deranged when they can intensify abuse together. Some men bond with other men over abusing women….bonding is not even an intense enough word, it’s like a non-physical, but very emotional, love affair the men have together over abusing females.

  22. Boogaloo Shrimp says:

    I wonder if AH tortured animals as a child/teen.

    • Frida says:

      House of Effie posted he wrote to her about killing lots of animals and pets when he was little. And occasionally strangling and beating his dog Archie…

  23. newmenow says:

    Years back, there was a story on CBS Sunday Morning about the author Lee Childs and his best selling series of Jack Reacher books being made into movies starring Armie Hammer as Reacher.
    Jack Reacher is described in detail as being 6′ 5″ 225lbs. a brutal loner who has fists like hams, no problem in killing, a retired MP and Army Major.

    Big publicity showing off AH as Jack Reacher. Several years go by and no films were made w/AH.

    Finally a film but, starring Tom Cruise as Reacher. Which brought a ton of “you sold out” to Lee Child. It was unreal to try to sell Tom Cruise at his height of 5′ 8″ at best as Reacher. Sell out for the big $$ and condemned by fans of the books, after all Lee Child was many times over a multi-millionaire.

    With all this coming out about Armie Hammer, I now wonder how much hollywood knew years back. Was his personal behavior already known and Lee Childs killed the deal?

    Something is very off/dangerous about AH and I find it interesting that he was able to keep a lid on most of his behavior for years. I don’t think the dirt coming will be about murder but I think he hollywood days are over.

  24. Chisey says:

    My first reaction was that there must be something huge, but now I’m wondering if someone is just doing the work of verifying and legitimizing the accusations that are already out there. When I first he was accused of abuse I was pretty confused. The DMs were disturbing, but I didn’t think he was really a cannibal etc, they just seemed like weird role play or something. Not for me, but not abuse either if everyone involved was ok with it. When I heard people say he was abusive, I wasn’t sure if they thought the DMs were literal or what. I had to dig deeper to find accusations of actual physical abuse. And a lot of stuff out there is kind of vague. If someone did the work of contacting people and getting their stories down in a straightforward way, and then verifying them (like confirming they talked with friends or someone about it at the time) and putting them all together so everything was clear, then I think that might be damning enough to get his agent and PR to drop him. No bodies necessary.

    And in general I’m really uncomfortable dragging this poor dead woman and by extension her family into this without any evidence. I’m sure the family is going through hell and doesn’t need to be gossip grist on top of everything else.

    • Justjj says:

      Yes, this. If it’s all verified by multiple sources, and/or to the point authorities are being contacted and irrefutable evidence is being brought forth, it’s all truly horrible enough on its own.

  25. Amelie says:

    Well the murder theories are wild but I think that’s social media conjecturing veering into outlandishness. But if the expose is gonna reveal things that are even worse than what we already know, my mind is going to some dark places. Holding women against their will? Branding? Creating a secret society of slave women?? My mind is going into Keith Raniere territory (I listened to a podcast episode of Murder Squad yesterday about NXVM and one of the hosts Paul Holes who was one of the main investigators for the Golden State Killer case also posited that Keith Raniere could be linked to some women he had associated with who had either died or disappeared in mysterious circumstances… soooo who knows!!)

    • Golly Gee says:

      Raniere is one creepy dude. Whether or not he committed murder, at least he is and will remain safely behind bars for the rest of his life.

  26. observing says:

    I know everyone says he looks like a serial killer, but he looks like a bland guy who works on Wall Street to me (which I guess is a different kind of crazy, as in greed and excess, but not what he’s involved with in terms of abuse and cannibalism). I would have never guessed he’s this insane just by looking at him.

    • Jamie says:

      I mean, don’t most serial killers just look like a bland guy who does X, but with a lot of them there is just something off. I think “13 years of trying to make Armie Happen” without success is indicative of something, and I think its that people either knew about him or felt that off feeling and went in a different direction

      • observing says:

        I think he fits into the category of being more conventionally attractive than the average person who is bland. He’s bland but physically fits the criteria of objective handsomeness (WASP standards?). He does nothing for me, but he looks like a rich, good-looking person that is probably boring to talk to (first impression appearance). He’s not someone who looks quite like Jeffrey Dahmer to me. I think Hammer would likely be considered better-looking from an objective perspective. Maybe his height would also put him into a different category of good-looking as well. He looks like that lawyer or executive who secretly dips into cocaine and maybe does a little cheating on the side, not someone I would suspect of storing bodies in a refrigerator. Though I agree with the general point that most serial killers aren’t suspected of being serial killers. It’s only in hindsight people realize that person X is crazy.

        When he didn’t make it as a huge star, I thought it was simply because he was THAT boring to look at, despite being conventionally handsome. Most big movie stars are a little more unique to look at (i.e Christian Bale, Julia Roberts, Tom Cruise). He’s more like that guy in school everyone expects you to have a crush on because he looks a certain way (blonde and tall?), but you secretly find the guy who is really good at math and science more interesting and hot to look at instead.

        I actually think he looks like the type of man most affluent, high society moms would love for their daughters to bring home, but likely does nothing for the girl seeking a partner herself.

        When he never made it, I simply thought it was because he was boring and probably not interesting as an actor. Usually people who are kind of “off” make better actors, so the fact he’s not that good at acting is a little puzzling to me.

    • elle says:

      His looks have deteriorated dramatically in just a few short years. He went from being extremely handsome but bland to completely average with a hint of serial killer.

      • KnivesOut says:

        He’s got a very cheesy look, like very old-fashioned handsome and a little off at that. Poor person’s version of Jensen Ackles. He’d be great as Ana’s evil fiance in Frozen I.

        Effie is now saying the LA Times expose is separate to the big secret, which is apparently, from her hints, something his group of friends got him involved and which sounds really illegal from her wording.

        Can’t see the LA Times doing a complete murder/cannibal investigation and publishing it because they have irrefutable proof before law enforcement agencies conduct an investigation. So makes sense there are two different things going on / coming for Armie.

    • Girl18 says:

      He is definitely bland looking. His voice is alluring though.

    • CC2 says:

      Not saying he’s a psychopath, but we did learn that the average psychopathic man would more likely be in Wall Street/corporate America than a terrifying looking serial killer. So it’s interesting you would say that hahah!

    • Dani says:

      People LOVED Ted Bundy and he was super super popular and relatively normal, too.

  27. deering24 says:

    “… I thought at the time that Kellerman based the star and his wife on Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie)…”

    Oh, man, one of James Patterson’s Private thrillers features a mega-couple that suspiciously resembles Pitt and Jolie.

  28. BeanieBean says:

    I read that Kellerman book. AH looks just like what I pictured for the actor. Creeped me out (although most of Kellerman’s books do, and yet I keep reading them! I like Milo).

  29. Brandy says:

    Um ….. “Deux Moi, meanwhile, seems to believe that this theory is incorrect, as an anonymous source says Hammer “had girls there the whole time” while filming, and that he “wouldn’t have done a whole press thing there if he had killed two people”. Either way, things are getting wild.”

    Has anyone heard of Aaron Hernandez? “Aaron Hernandez got away with two homicides but still signed a 40 million dollar contract with the Patriots and played a full season, which Dan Wetzel said was “one of the craziest NFL stories ever”.”

  30. Lizzie Bathory says:

    I know this isn’t the point *at all*, but who told this guy to wear mock turtlenecks with double breasted jackets? Can we get an investigation while we wait for the expose to drop? I’m legit impressed that someone found a way to make 6′ 5″ man look this weird & dumpy.

    • Delphine says:

      Thank you! Was coming to say this. It’s not a good look at all. The tailoring of the jacket makes his body look so weird.

    • KnivesOut says:

      Always said he, along with his ex, had the worst dress sense on the red carpet. Casual outfits too. Some very F U G outfits.

  31. Faye G says:

    He’s honestly given me the creeps ever since I watched him in that Facebook movie. I could never explain it, but I’ve tried to avoid his movies ever since. I will believe anything that comes out about him, many predators hide in plain sight.

  32. coolspray says:

    I honestly think he’d be best served to fully come clean and disclose everything himself. Get ahead of it and own it, do the standard ‘rehab’ stint and then a PR tour. If he wants to salvage anything… assuming it is salvageable.

    I want to hope that whatever people are speculating is worse than the reality, but I don’t think so. This is going be like Shia LeBeouf, Manson, and Weinstein rolled into one + cannibalism. Seriously makes me feel sick.

  33. LeeSuzanne says:

    Every time I see him in that white turtleneck/blazer combo I get such Ted Bundy vibes. It creeps me all the way out.

  34. KnivesOut says:

    From House of Effie’s stories yesterday, I’m now guessing he’s done worse cutting than he did with Paige Lorenze, and somehow his friends (the construction ones) were involved. I think it will be exposed in a thoroughly checked piece by the LA Times or some other outlet, and this will prove the impetus for charges to be laid or victims to put together a lawsuit. Just my opinion.

  35. Em says:

    If something actually involves murder, wouldn’t the police or FBI be involved already (and the media aware by now)?

  36. Girl18 says:

    I am not surprised by this. Stuff like this was floating around on Tumblr, Reddit, Forums back when he did ‘Call Me By Your Name’. It’s very interesting how all of sudden it all came to light… but it was definitely on the internet back in 2017, just not to this extent as it is now. His career and life is over. I always got weird vibes from him.

  37. Dani says:

    I think that if anyone has any info on him being a pedophile or abusing his kids or putting them in harms way, they should go to the police before they go to the freaking LA Times or Vanity Fair or any other stupid magazine. Milk didn’t share any of that info on social media or with the general public because she wants to take legal action, unlike Effie who knew of this for a while and just keeps touting it to the public while also liking pictures of his kids on Elizabeth’s Instagram.

  38. Aworthylove says:

    This whole scenario reminds me of Bundy. No one willing to believe a man so “good looking” could do something so horrendous. Also cops not looking into this deeper is very typical. Most law enforcement are extremely lazy which makes serial killers end up looking like masterminds when they’re not

  39. Bread and Circuses says:

    It’s doing Armie no good to have this story NOT come out.

    People are imagining him a serial killer, but it’s more likely he’s an abusive drug addict. What we already know is bad enough to end his career. The big story drop might just be confirmation of that, not an escalation of it.

    That said, I’m having flashbacks to the first time I saw Jeffrey Dahlmer’s photo on a newspaper and thought, “Oh, he’s kind of cute.” And then I actually read the story…

  40. SLV says:

    Have you noticed the account that started it all @houseofeffie…is gone from IG?

    Don’t you find a bit odd?