Queen Elizabeth didn’t get an advanced copy of Harry & Meghan’s interview

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Before we get into everything else, let’s talk about Prince Philip. He had some kind of procedure on his heart last week at St. Bart’s in London. My theory – and I have nothing to back this up – is that it likely involved a stent. Having a stent put in or replaced would make sense for how the Palace and the media has treated Philip’s condition recently. First they acted like he was at death’s door, but now they’re making it sound like it was more of a routine situation for a pre-existing condition. On Friday, he was even transferred out of the cardiac ward at St. Bart’s and he was sent back to King Edward VII’s Hospital, which is where he was before. They say he’ll stay there for days longer.

As for Philip’s wife… I keep going back and forth about how involved she’s been with the absolute PR nightmare of the past week. As we know, “the Queen” is used as a stand-in for many repressed, enraged, racist a–holes across the media and within three royal courts, so people saying “the Queen will terribly upset about such-and-such” means that THEY are terribly upset. I think the Queen DGAF most of the time and it shows. It’s not so much that she’s actively terrible and willfully petty, it’s that she’s out-of-touch and tone-deaf and no one bothers to tell her to change. So here’s where things stand with the Queen and the Sussexes:

The Queen has not been given an ‘advance copy’ of Meghan and Harry’s tell-all interview with Oprah Winfrey, reports claim. Senior royals and Palace aides will watch the much-anticipated interview ‘at the same time’ as the rest of the world, with network CBS set to air the two-hour special in the US at 1am UK time on Monday morning.

Officials have vowed to ‘reserve judgement’ on the show and will decide on Monday whether to make a public response in light of anything specific Meghan and Harry have to say. ITV will broadcast it at 9pm that evening. Sources yesterday told the Mirror the Queen does not have an ‘advance copy’ of the no-holds-barred special – which is set to contain ‘shocking’ revelations about Meghan’s short time as a working royal.

A friend earlier said Meghan would never ask to postpone Sunday’s release of her tell-all interview and claimed the royal family is using the Duke of Edinburgh’s health as an excuse to keep her ‘muzzled’.

Although most of the interview will be a one-to-one chat on what the duchess has to say about her brief but acrimonious time as a working royal, Harry is understood to come in towards the end to have his say on the media and discuss their plans for the future. It is believed that this approach has in part been done in an attempt to distance himself from any of the stronger allegations made about his own family by his wife. But if the 36-year-old prince, who is still sixth in line to the throne, thinks it will go any way to protecting his already fragile relationships with his relatives, notably his brother, the Duke of Cambridge, he will have to think again.

William has barely spoken to his brother in recent months and their relationship is said to be ‘hanging by a thread’ – although Prince Charles is understood to have tried not to get involved. Despairing officials also cannot believe that Harry is so ‘blinkered’ that he cannot see how the interview is likely to destroy any vestige of trust between him and his family.

[From The Daily Mail]

“…In an attempt to distance himself from any of the stronger allegations made about his own family by his wife…” They’re still trying to separate Harry and Meghan. They’re still trying to ascribe every bad thing to Meghan in an effort to somehow force Harry to leave his wife and child and “come back” to them. Something tells me those chuckleheads are going to be in for a big surprise. Harry has been done with them for a long time. Harry still has respect for his grandmother. But other than Liz, I suspect Harry would like to burn down the whole bloody island. “Despairing officials also cannot believe that Harry is so ‘blinkered’ that he cannot see how the interview is likely to destroy any vestige of trust between him and his family.” Despairing officials also cannot believe that Harry told them “f–k around and find out” and they cannot see that they are indeed finding out.

Royal Ascot, Portrait of HRH Queen Elizabeth the Second behind TRH Harry the Duke of Sussex and TRH Meghan the Duchess of Sussex

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  1. Seraphina says:

    I do apologize, but I find it bloody HILARIOUS that they even thought Liz may be sent a copy. This is the States and we do things differently here – plus Liz, you are the catalyst for all this so why would you the BULLY Queen be given one??? For damage control??? WOW, the entitlement knows no bounds.

    • Gillysirl says:

      I know! Like she’s still their life boss. And it wouldn’t end up being for only the queen to view- it would have to go through so many steps to reach her and so many people along the way would have (or find out how to) access to watching it. H&M learned their lesson about trying to talk directly to and only to the Queen. One way or another – it leaks.

    • VS says:

      These people are really insane! they think the queen matters to a US AMERICAN channel?
      We fought a revolution to kick those people to the curb; we don’t answer to any of them

      I agree Seraphina, they really do feel entitled or maybe are they just ignorant? who do they think they are? if not Meghan situation, this woman doesn’t even pass on our radar! jeez…..

      • HeyJude says:

        To Americans as a whole the Queen is pretty much one thing and one thing alone- The lady that was so absolutely hideous to Diana in life and after her death.

        That’s it. That’s the biggest press coverage of the Queen here in decades. The press, there’s been movies and documentaries about it, that’s all we have as a touchstone with her really. We don’t really see her otherwise frequently.

        Other than that the largest most recent coverage she’s known for is that she’s the clown that let Trump traipse around a European palace in a tailcoat and made him feel legitimized like he wasn’t an authoritarian nightmare and the most corrupt leader in our history.

        So very few are fans of her in the US. She carries zero weight in the public opinion, if not is just outright disliked.

      • ElleE says:

        We keep telling them that we are not part of the Commonwealth… do they forget, or do they think that our “special relationship “ extends beyond us wanting to sell them our bleached/chlorinated chicken?
        Also, “Meghan’s friend” saying Meghan described herself as “muzzled” – they can’t help themselves can they? (Sorry if this is a double post)

      • fluffy_bunny says:

        I know Willnot and Cannot have seen Hamilton because I’ve seen pictures of them at the theater I think on this site. They should have paid closer attention. It’s very catchy and they could have clued the Queen in that we don’t give a fuck about them.

    • MissMarierose says:

      It makes me wonder if she was given an advance copy of the interview with Andrew.
      Like, did she see that trainwreck in advance and go “ok, looks good!” lol

    • Becks1 says:

      Yes! Its hilarious and kind of mind boggling to me that it even has to be said that she didnt get an advanced copy. Why on earth would she?

    • AnnaKist says:

      Exactly what we’re all thinking. It would have been such a simple fix. She’s the matriarch, head of The Firm, the Queen of effing England if you please! One command from her and Harry amd Meghan might never have felt they had to leave. As if shutting her eyes to it all wasn’t bad enough, then, THEN she decides to get all Petty Bully and issue edicts designed to isolate her grandson and his wife even further! I hope she’s thorough;y pissed off that she didn’t get a copy in advance. She’s proved to the world just what a nasty, crusty auld harpy she is.

      • notasugarhere says:

        I wonder how much is down to Philip winding down for the last decade. Has he retired from both The Firm and from running the family privately?

        The deal was always, she’s the monarch but he’s in charge of the family. She’s hands off and an ostrich, except when it comes to protecting rapist fav son. She let’s courtiers run rampant when it comes to the business. Philip’s job was always to call the family to the carpet and make things function behind the scenes. He’s been withdrawing from that since 2010/2011, long before he officially retired.

      • MipMip says:

        @nota I think you are spot on regarding Phillip’s withdrawal from the family. It’s not that the way he shepherded the family before was right or good, but at least someone was the ringleader to this circus. In the past five years Williot has inserted himself in the running of the family and its image and…. here we are.

      • Nic919 says:

        While Philip was in charge of the family, his kids are all full on adults and some of them grandparents themselves. They shouldn’t need to have him involved. Of course Andrew is a total mess, but William needs to be controlled by Charles. He’s the father and ranks above him too. That he’s letting William go wild attacking his sister in law like this is on Charles more than Philip at this point.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Yes, Nic919, but that may not be how these people function. Without someone in charge and guard rails, they’re out of control.

        I’m on the side of Charles abused by and afraid of William. I still suspect Charles supports Harry and Meghan privately, which Harry understands has to be done privately.

      • UptownGirl says:

        @ notasugarhere, I agree with you. There have been several reports that PWT is petty and withholds his children from Charles when he doesn’t get his way. PWT behaves like a spoilt child and when he feels that he has been slighted in the least, he withholds his children and probably himself from Charles. The Incandescent With Rage monster in him has always been coddled and the fact that they ignore and give in to his nonstop temper tantrum’s has only exasperated his behaviour. Unfortunately, you are then left with a man child, as that is exactly what he is. What an absolutely disgusting POS he is.

    • Sandra says:

      I think that is a rule in American journalism though. The subject of the piece can see the article or segment ahead of time so that they can respond. I feel like I remember this from when Ronan Farrow’s Weinstein piece came out. Which is why I think this article is BS. I also think it’s BS because if the BRF didn’t know the Firm was going to be addressed, they wouldn’t be going as nuts with this oppo dump of “mean Meghan” as much as they are.
      Can any journalists chime in?

      • Carmen-JamRock says:

        No. Thasts not a rule of journalism. Its a courtesy, tho. But many editors are loathe to allow their writers to GUARANTEE to the subject of a story that theyll get a chance to see the finished product before it goes public.

      • Lady D says:

        A lot of the people I dealt with as a reporter believed they had the right to dictate the article and thought they had the right to preview it before printing. That’s not how it works.

      • Sandra says:

        Carmen and Lady D – Got it. A courtesy but not a rule. Thank you!

      • HeyJude says:

        Yes, I can. This isn’t investigative journalism. So asking the parties involved (or specifically accused) for comment is not the standard here especially as they are not accused of breaking laws (we think). There’s no legal need for it then, that’s usually why it’s done in investigative pieces such as Ronan Farrow’s investigation into illegal activities of Weinstein.

        This is a personal one-on-one Q&A human interest interview. A memoir, if putting it in book terms helps.

        It’s not hard news like Farrow does, no rebuttal comment from the “subject of the investigation” is expected journalistic ethics wise.

      • Sandra says:

        @HeyJude – thank you! Learning a lot here. Also, glad I’m not misremembering Farrow’s Weinstein expose.

      • Lorelei says:

        I remember one reporter I know saying that if she was interviewing someone and they requested that she turn the tape recorder off, she knew they were going to be full of BS.

        She would explain that the recording was for the subject’s protection as well — she could make sure she didn’t misquote them — but anyone who even asked seemed suspicious from the outset because why *wouldn’t* you want a record of your words?

        The fact that like 99% of the smears against Meghan have been from “anonymous sources” makes it so much more infuriating that people took it at all seriously.

  2. Lauren says:

    Harry is going to burn down everything as soon as his grandparents are dead.

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      Yeah – I think once they both pass we might get the truth of what actually happened. The Sussex’s will never return to the family fold, esp if the Cambridges remain in the line of succession.

      • ElleE says:

        If the UK government can justify just launching an investigation into the Sussex foundation which has been inactive since last July, what is to stop them from interfering with Harry’s provisional or whatever diplomatic status (I know that he doesn’t have an actual passport, or he didn’t need one when he traveled under the diplomatic cover of the BRF) and keep him in the UK while they work to “sort it all out”?

    • You know, I hope Harry and Meghan are far past all of this BS by the time the Queen dies and Archewell is thriving and doing good work. I hope — for their mental health — they find a way to move past this and forward in the years to come. They’ve bigger things to accomplish. That said, I hope some really good, investigative writer does a deep dive in book form about all of this in about 5 years.

      Which reminds me, whatever happened to the new book on the Royals that Tina Brown is writing?

      • Lorelei says:

        @LowCountry Lady: my hope is that the Tina Brown book is taking a while because she’s doing some *thorough* research, meeting with lots of sources, etc. — things that would just take time to set up.

        In any case @BayTampaBay and I are both waiting for that book with baited breath and will 100% post about it here immediately after pre-ordering it!

  3. Lauren says:

    Of course she has not received a copy. CBS is not going to risk anything leaking before hand. They probably haven’t even given ITV their copy to make sure that the firm couldn’t get their hands on the interview early. Sucks to realize you’re not the biggest fish in the pond.

  4. aquarius64 says:

    The palace doesn’t have an advanced copy but it hasn’t stop the preemptive smear campaign. They are stilled trying to push Earring gate but it’s not gaining traction in the US press.

  5. Grey says:

    What a good observation about her, she is tone deaf and won’t change. In my opinion, which doesn’t matter much, the handling of this whole situation shows that she should step down and let Charles take over (not saying he will necessarily be better). She has made a huge mess of this whole situation and everyone knows it.

  6. Scal says:

    I’ve been peaking in on the mail the last week or so and they really have been going ALL in on the new smear campaign. It’s gross-are they going to get sued again? Because they should

    • Chaine says:

      That’s what I’ve been wondering!

    • RoyalBlue says:

      I think this is beyond civil now. It borders on criminal, but I don’t expect the crown prosecution service to act anytime soon if they haven’t already.

    • Becks1 says:

      The “funny” thing is the past week is just giving more credibility to anything Meghan says about the press and the harassment she experienced. And when she says “the palace did not protect me” we are seeing exactly what she means.

    • Myra says:

      Meghan is truly up against a whole establishment. An establishment which usually dictates the fate of the nation, government policies, electoral outcomes, political careers etc. She has to face all of them and now they are bringing their poison to US media.

      • Lanie says:

        The Brits don’t control our media. We happily sent Piers Morgan packing when he tried to become a thing here. We can do the same with the rest.

      • Myra says:

        These RRs have been making some appearances on CNN and other networks for the past few days.

    • HeyJude says:

      I’ve stopped going to the Mail even just to gawk because I can’t give them the clicks. Piers is dangerously, abusively obsessed with Meghan and the entire paper is his vehicle for emotional abuse.

      I felt too complicit his abuse of her even just scrolling giving them engagement.

    • Well didn’t they have to make front page space today and for the next week in order to publish court ordered statement that Meghan won her case against them? I’m loving that they have to run their continual garbage against that headline.

  7. L4frimaire says:

    That is a really appalling take and so blatantly misogynistic. Harry would not be in this interview if he wanted to distance himself from his own wife in it. That makes zero sense. Do I honestly believe Oprah Winfrey, who has interviewed Presidents, is going to preside over trashing the British monarchy? I seriously doubt this. I think there will be a few pointed remarks , it won’t be a drag fest, will mostly go after the press and leaks , racism and sexism, and pivot to their lives now. I think she’ll also ask them some hard questions about their perceived impulsiveness and why they couldn’t stick it out, having it both ways and their privilege. This isn’t going to change anyone’s mind about anything. This was set in motion from the beginning of “ Straight out of Compton” headlines and they will be forever vilified by the British press. This is why people are so afraid to speak up and so afraid for them.

    • Petra says:

      @L4Frimaire this is not an attack on your comment. what is “having it both ways and their privilege” Is that an attack by the rota on Harry and Meghan?

      • L4frimaire says:

        Yes. This is what they always say, that Meghan and Harry want to have their cake and eat it too, want it both ways, etc., or that they have no right to complain or be upset, or speak about social/ philanthropic issues because they’re wealthy and titled. I think that actually applies to the press and royal family. They thought they could abuse them to their own benefit, while getting the international attention and looking like the good royals at the Sussexes expense. They really thought once they left, that spotlight would shift to them. It didn’t, hence the continued attacks on the Sussexes, who until now have said nothing except through the court filings. It’s all just so ugly.

      • notasugarhere says:

        It also goes back to the talk of William trying to take the Hubb money. Harry and Meghan were willing to represent the monarch doing engagments. But for their big charity work? They wanted it completely separate from royal or courtier control, just like Invictus and Sentebale are.

    • Prairiegirl says:

      I agree, there’s no scorched earth strategy here on Oprah’s part. She’s a professional and the absolute best at these interviews for a reason.

      • Rapunzel says:

        Not to mention, I doubt Harry is going to factor so little into the interview. It probably going to be a little of each separately, then mostly them together.

    • I think the Sussexes will be very diplomatic, but get their point across. Look at that 3rd clip released and you can see how Meghan takes the time to calmly search for just the right word.

      • Drun says:

        Yes, I think they risk ruining their future work, if they go on the attack. Plus naming names without proof, can result in lawsuits they don’t want.

  8. Beatz says:

    It seriously baffles me that instead of focusing on getting rid of that predator son of hers and helping his victims, she is worried about an interview. And the nerve to think she is entitled to an advanced copy.

    • Lady D says:

      It makes me laugh to think that her staff demanded an advance copy, when the whole world knows that not one of her employees can keep their mouth shut about anything. I wonder if they honestly though they were entitled to one? LOL

  9. Petra says:

    I’m sure if Harry and Meghan trusted BP not to leak the interview Oprah would have given an advance copy to Harry’s grandmother. The sad result about BP sabotage of Harry and Meghan is that a grandson relationship with grandmother was also sabotaged.

  10. Sinéad says:

    Did Harry really say “f@ck around and find out”? When / who did he say that to?

    • Grey says:

      I think it’s maybe just a phrase or expression? Not that Harry specifically said it, but more like he wasn’t going to put up with nasty behaviour and said so, and when things didn’t change he got out.

    • Prairiegirl says:

      No, that’s just this website’s writing style.

    • Lanie says:

      No. He didn’t say it. “Fuck around and find out” is a popular Philly (Philadelphia, Pennsylvania for those of you not from the United States) colloquialism. It basically means, “don’t test my patience, or else.”

      The phrase fits the situation.

    • RoyalBlue says:

      No, that’s a saying that someone from Philly says. We have ascribed it to our gallant ginger prince who, on seeing the bullshit that was being flung at his strong and powerful wife and child, made the unprecedented move of planning stealth moves to escape and save his family. His bold act was the equivalent of telling the Firm to fuck around and find out.

  11. harla says:

    I am constantly amazed at how the palace perceives their place in the world. In their eyes, the royal family and by extension the royal reporters et al. are the most important figures in the world, the pinnacle to which all should aspire. I think the recent coverage of the royals smear campaign against the Sussex’s hasn’t played on American shores the way the royals thought it would, they are being questioned about the treatment of Andrew compared to Meghan, the blatant racism and classism is noticed and commented on and frankly they are looking like fools. As Michael Sheen’s Tony Blair once said “who will save these people from themselves?”.

    • notasugarhere says:

      The BRF have viewed themselves as untouchable, the most important (AKA only ‘valid’) royal family for years. The negative comments about ‘bicycling royals’ come out of BP and their courtiers. What they’ve failed to see is how some other royal families have proactively changed to fit the times.

      In 1952, King Farouk of Egypt said ‘there will soon be only five kings left: the kings of England, diamonds, hearts, spades and clubs’.

      Not anymore. Belgium and Spain are on shakier ground, but the Danish, Swedish, Dutch, and Norwegian royal families continue to have strong support. Once QEII is gone, all bets are off especially with Scotland, Ireland, and members of The Commonwealth.

      • Spanky says:

        I’ve got my money on Scotland leaving soon, regardless as to whether TQ is still alive or not. We might see action with Scotland this summer.

    • Saucy&Sassy says:

      harla, it’s their “but we’re the British Empire” attitude that they can’t see past. If you view Brexit from that perspective then it makes perfect sense. It’s like the Tory government and the brf really believe they still hold the power of the Empire. Until they acknowledge to themselves that they are no longer that, they’re going to keep making these mistakes. Either they’ll adapt or they will dwindle away. It’ll be interesting to see which way they go.

  12. Louise177 says:

    This article doesn’t make sense. Why would the Queen get a copy? Why would Harry distance himself from what Meghan said? If he cared about the RF he wouldn’t have done the interview in the first place. The thing about this interview is I don’t think it’s going to be as scandalous as people think or hope it will be. The smear campaign really backfired because now people who didn’t care now want to watch.

    • Amy Too says:

      When I think “I really want to distance myself from what this woman said,” I definitely think the best way to go about that is to join her on stage immediately after she’s said those things, hold her hand, look deeply into her eyes and smile at her, answer questions WITH her to the exact same interviewer who elicited the offensive comments from her (with both of us finishing each other sentences and nodding in agreement with what the other has said), and then talk about my long term future social, personal, business, familial, travel, charitable, and marital plans with that person. I feel like that would definitely be the way to express how very disappointed I am with her and how very much I want to not at all be associated with her and the things she’s just said.

  13. Lizzie says:

    I sort of hope that what we heard already is all that is said about the rf, show them Meghan doesn’t think about them at all yet they are obsessed with her. I would like to hear more specifics about Netflix projects.

    • Carmen-JamRock says:

      Ooooohhhhhh I’m glad you said this because its occurred to me that some of the commercials we’ll see during the program will be the launch of some of H&M/Archewell’s projects.

      ETA: Perhaps thas why spotify mentioned the #harrymeghanoprah intv and perhaps also why the start if Archewell Audio’s regular series of podcasts didnt launch before spotify expanded its markets. I couldnt get spotify in my country but 2 days after their country expansion announcement, i could. So ive downloaded and pinned Archewell Audio.

  14. Jaded says:

    I think Harry will be the one who’s tough on the BRF, excluding Betty and Phil. He’ll come in at the end and be all “hold my beer” for a few minutes. His wife and baby were smeared, threatened and humiliated – he’s harboring a lot of well-deserved bitterness and resentment against a number of people including his asshat of a brother and his mannequin wife.

    • Boxy Lady says:

      An article came out last night, I can’t remember from where though, quoting someone “familiar with the Oprah interview.” The person claimed that M & H only had nice things to say about Will and Kate. If true, it’s a great approach, especially in light of all the crazy stories and commentary that the palaces have put out against M & H since this interview was announced. Like, “Why were you so defensive? We didn’t even say anything about you?” Which goes to show that there’s probably a bunch of negative things that the Sussexes *could* say about the Cambridges and the Cambridges and everyone else knows it.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Smart tactic if true. It leaves all kinds of room for interpretation. ‘Thank you for asking, no one else has asked me if I was OK’ from the documentary comes to mind. What, precious Kate the married-in with her own young children didn’t offer to help you in any way? Didn’t give advice or a shoulder to cry on?

      • Amy Too says:

        I don’t know. I feel like if they praise will and Kate and only say nice things about them then it might be spun like “Harry and Meghan know that they were the bullies at KP and they don’t want any of the bullying or bad workplace allegations to taint Will and Kate.” Or “they knew they screwed up and now they’re trying to suck up to Will and Kate who will have to decide whether or not they will accept the olive branch being offered by a sad and isolated Meghan and Harry who miss their brother and sister-in-law so much.” Or “why did they leave then if everyone was so nice to them! See! The family was telling the truth, they did roll out the red carpet and were super kind but Meghan just wanted to be a victim and made up grievances so she could leave and steal Harry.”

        Like, completely neutral things, fine. Not mentioning them at all, fine. Alluding to them but not by name, fine. But if they’re seriously going to say nice things about Will and Kate, they’d be lying. The brotherly feud and William’s rages and jealousy and Kate’s mean-girling and having her family leak about Meghan and never denying the stories that made her seem like a bullied poor little white woman to Meghan’s angry scary black woman were huge reasons they left. The mismanagement at KP, the using the Sussexes as deflection, the trying to steal foundation funds that Meghan and Harry brought in. That’s all part of it.

        I’m hoping this source means more like “they didn’t actively trash William and Kate” than “they only had nice things to say about them.” I don’t really see her saying “…the palace continues to perpetuate falsehoods against us,” in the same interview that she’s praising Will and Kate.

      • Lorelei says:

        @Amy Too, I agree, but for sort of different reasons— for those of us here who follow it closely, yes, it would be a smart tactic. But I think it needs to be more blunt for the majority of people watching this. If only nice things are said about W&K, then everyone will come away thinking they’re great.

        There are so many people who are planning on watching this interview but who don’t follow any of the royals regularly, and I hope Meghan and Harry are able to convey how badly they were treated by the entire family. JMO

  15. S808 says:

    I just hope by the end we know the “know” in what Harry said “if you know what I know you’d be doing the same thing” during the SA documentary. I want to find out what he meant.

    • Babz says:

      This is the comment that has forever stuck in my head. When he said that, he was throwing down the gauntlet to the family and the various households, in a not so veiled threat. If they didn’t stop, he would unleash Drogon, Rhaegal, and Viserion on the entire lot of them. He was also letting the public know that what he knows could have serious repercussions. They didn’t stop, and so now it remains to be seen just how much earth he’ll let the dragons scorch. I believe he’ll wait until the grandparents are gone, but by that comment, they know he’s got the power to really demolish them.

  16. MaryContrary says:

    They think this interview is destroying “the trust” between Harry and his family?! Um-wtaf? The constant leaks from KP and CH, the backstabbing by all the BRF courtiers, the obvious smear campaign orchestrated by William over the last week-that’s what destroyed the trust. There hasn’t been trust there in a long time-and that fault likes with the BRF who destroyed it.

    • one of the Marys says:

      I’m constantly shaking my head at how they frame the estrangement between the brothers, as if it’s Harry who must make the first move, offer a gesture of reconciliation, worried that it’s beyond saving. The press is still applying the hierarchy of the royal family so Harry, as junior, must work to repair the damage with ‘the Duke’. Harry is angry and aggrieved and, as far as I can tell, not motivated to repair or have any kind of relationship with ‘the Duke’. Things are only getting worse too as last week proved. Why does William think Harry will never retaliate?
      I agree with other posters, once the Queen dies Harry will respond more directly to any nonsense coming from the house of Cambridge.

      • notasugarhere says:

        He has clapped back some, after some leaking from William about their ongoing closeness. Statement issued by the Sussex Fam about how no one speaks for them. Blatantly showing William’s comments to be self-serving and not Harry’s opinion of the situation.

      • JT says:

        Maybe I’m going out on a limb here, but to me it seems like Harry was holding that family together. Ever since he began focusing on his own life and family, as well as stepping back, it’s been a complete shitshow over there. The family has imploded without him, with William just blatantly chucking the whole family under the double decker bus this week. It’s up to Harry probably because he’s the only one who can actually fix it. He’s the one who has to communicate first and I wouldn’t be surprised if he was the peacemaker, as often happens with the more tolerant and chill personality. We know incandescent would never try to solve anything and thinks he always right. Harry is used to being a leader and making decisions. The rest either smear, stay silent, or bury their heads in the sand.

        Anyhow this my working theory. I truly think Harry was the glue and heart of the RF.

      • Amy Too says:

        I agree, JT.

      • Saucy&Sassy says:

        JT, I think you’ve nailed it. I was that person for my family, and when I quit doing it the family had a REALLY tough time. And, I ended up being the target from everyone with a lot of negative stuff thrown at me. It looks like they’ve just continued to throw everything at Meghan. However, they keep pushing this feeble minded, brainwashed view of Harry. Isn’t that interesting? He definitely was keeping that family together, and he gets my complete respect for being able to step away from that family dynamic. It’s really difficult to do in a regular family, so I can’t imagine what it’s been like for him stepping away from the brf.

    • As Meghan said, “a lot has been lost already.”

  17. MissMarierose says:

    It continues to amaze me how the BP infantalizes a man who served two tours of duty in a war zone, and built two international charities outside the royal ‘firm’ from the ground up by the time he was 30.
    The guy clearly is not some passive dolt who’s being pushed around by anyone.

  18. Ohlala says:

    Ok here is the thing that I CAN’T understand. WHY the Queen is so regarded in UK and so “beloved” and all this repeated shite about duty etc. I just don’t understand as her behaviour and actions contradicting it ( her behaviour with Margaret,Diana’s death, throwing staff under the bus in 60s/70s, reaction to the horror in Wales) cold behaviour as mother, lack of intelligence. Even in Crown she portrayed like some eejit or sociopath with half of the time just staring with her mouth open.

    • notasugarhere says:

      See Brexit.

      Racist Little Englanders clinging to tradition and the idea their ‘Empire’ (tiny island) is a global power. Refusing to open their eyes and see the world has changed around them. QEII is a big symbol of continuity for those who want to stay in a box and never think for themselves. If they look too closely, they won’t like what they see – so they close their eyes and think of England.

      • Ohlala says:

        Yes but it is very much picked up by mainstream and some normal people too. Their tv, press etc not talking of tabloids etc. There are facts that she was not a good leader burried her head in the sand more often than not. But how she behaved after Wales tragedy (children died!!)and did not react is shocking.

      • notasugarhere says:

        In the end, most in the UK don’t have energy to expend about the royals. When the map feature on the royal website was working (still broken), you could see how little of the UK the royals visit. They stick to the Home Counties, a small geographic area of royal-support. Outside of that, most people are too busy struggling to survive to pay attention to a bunch of dolts in palaces.

      • HeyJude says:

        Which is hysterical because they’re singularly obsessed with attacking an American but there’d be no Empire right now without America.

        England would be part of some modern day Nazi territory. And the royals long dispatched if not for us lowly Americans saving their asses in WW2.

        And yet this family thinks they’re so superior. They literally are only ruling because of the US.

      • Harper says:

        She’s kept her mouth shut for a long time now and to her great luck has not had to deal with another Diana-like situation. Also, she’s entered into that “any day now ” phase of life–here one day, gone the next. So no matter how vile and unlikeable she proved herself to be in the whole Diana mess, her coverage nowadays is more funeral/eulogy than truthful reporting.

      • Jais says:

        Nota- What is this map feature? And how long has it not been working? That’s interesting

      • Saucy&Sassy says:

        notasugarhere, I posted re the Empire above before reading this.

      • notasugarhere says:

        On the official RoyalUK website, you can view past engagements and upcoming ones (Court Circular). You can list things by date, person, etc. There is also a map feature, where you can view scheduled engagements on a map of the UK. That map feature has been broken for a couple of years now.

    • bamaborn says:

      I think it goes back to her uncles’ abdication, which many believe, led to her father’s early death and something about her driving an ambulance during the war. Best I could get out of it.

  19. Sandra says:

    Ew, ew, ew. This is so “Yoko broke up the Beatles.” Guy falls in love with “scary” foreign lady and she “forces” him to leave. No matter how many times the other members of the band have said she did NOT break them up, that narrative is still there. Misogyny and xenophobia are unfortunately alive and well.

    • HeyJude says:

      We weren’t so scary when they desperately needed their petty little island bailed out in the 1940s though.

      Funny how that never occurs to them.

  20. Izzy says:

    1. She’s not entitled to an advance copy, they no longer work for her.
    2. Officials don’t need to reserve judgment, they have already made their judgment and bleated it to the press.
    3. As for destroying the last vestiges of trust between Harry and the family, that ship left the station when they decided to leave the UK. He DGAF.

  21. Nyro says:

    Haha!! They tried to do what they always do, try to make it look like she’s in control and in charge. Remember when she was “reviewing” the Netflix deal? LOL. Nope, that don’t work outside the UK, baby.

  22. Rapunzel says:

    Lol… the Fail is now saying the queen will “ignore” the interview.

  23. Ania says:

    Nobody in CBS said „hey, we should totally get a copy for that old lady in that small island so she can approve!”? Shocker

  24. TheOriginalMia says:

    If the couriers were so worried about the Queen and her relationship with her grandson, maybe they shouldn’t have worked so hard to destroy her grandson & his wife. Maybe at some point, one of them would have realized they were becoming abusive and were damaging Harry & Meghan. But not one of those couriers took a step back and looked at the bigger picture. Their pile on may have worked wonders in the UK, but beyond its borders the Queen’s/BRF’s reputation was taking hit after hit in the Commonwealth. They were so concerned about the black duchess sullying the white monarchy, they didn’t expect the black and brown inhabitants of the Commonwealth (and really decent people everywhere) to be pissed on the Sussexes’ behalf. To see everything being thrown at this couple and come away with the idea that the Queen, the UK and the BRF were racist af. So no, the Queen doesn’t get to see the program before it’s aired. No one in the US cares or wants her approval about the contents. If she cared, she’d be more vocal in her support and love for her grandson, instead of allowing his brother and her employees to attack them mercilessly for 4 freaking years. Oh, and maybe not stand on her vaulted principles and allow a veteran to lay a f&cking wreath for his fellow fallen soldiers!

    • Chrissy (The Original) says:

      Thanks for saying this. The courtiers are ridiculous and seem to be doing their best to make the BRF look as out-of-touch and antiquated as possible. I can’t understand how much the royals defer to the “wisdom” of the courtiers. It’s so counter-intuitive when compared to modern PR tactics.

  25. Coco says:

    Oprah should have sent them a blank VHS tape, because you know at least one of the old royals still has a working VCR. Definitely a few lying around in Anne’s house.

  26. J ferber says:

    HeyJude, you’re absolutely right. I still do see the queen as Diana’s bully who hounded her (along with the cheating and detestable Charles) to her tragic death. And now queenie and the press are trying to do the same thing to Meghan. Harry was so right in the clip that he couldn’t imagine his poor mother having to face it alone. And the queen denied his request to have flowers placed on her memorial in his name.

  27. Water Bearer. 💧 says:

    This is spin. The Sunday Telegraph reported on its front page that Buckingham Palace had received an advance copy of the interview so they could prepare for any rebuttal/ comment. So the Queen may not have a personal copy but her aids do. I mean does anyone believe that the Queen would be sitting up until 1 a.m. UK time to watch the show. She’ll be briefed in the morning.

    • Lanie says:

      I very much doubt Buckingham Palace received an advanced copy. Not the Queen. Not their aids. Frankly, they don’t have that pull with CBS. ITV may not even have their copy yet. This is a ratings bonanza for CBS and they aren’t going to risk it in the hands of a leaky monarchy.

    • Sid says:

      I don’t believe for a minute that CBS would risk the interview being leaked by providing BP with a copy.