Prince William & Kate have had ‘ups & downs’ but they got through it without a ‘moan’

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We’re getting so many embiggening articles about the Other Brother and Keen Guevara this week/month because of their anniversary. The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge are celebrating their ten-year anniversary and it feels like they’re doing so through gritted teeth. I definitely think there’s enough evidence to suggest that they live separately and that William only sees the kids occasionally. Kate and her mother are doing the MOST to remind William and the rest of the family that Kate is the “lynchpin,” that she’s indispensable, that she’s the Top CEO and Baldemort couldn’t do anything without her. The Queen obviously wants the Cambridges’ marriage to work, and just as the Rose Hanbury stories were picking up in 2019, Liz gave Kate the Dame Grand Cross of the Royal Victoria Order. It was like a little gift that said “thanks for sticking with your unfaithful douche husband.” So what will the Queen give Kate for this anniversary?

The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge have experienced “ups and downs” in their married, just like any other couple, but have always been committed to serving the Queen, a royal expert has claimed. Prince William married his university girlfriend Kate Middleton 10 years ago in April 2011, and they are now proud parents to three beautiful children. The couple dated for years before the prince got down on one knee, reportedly wanting to make sure Kate was ready for royal life before officially welcoming her into the family.

In a special interview ahead of their 10th wedding anniversary, royal expert Duncan Larcombe claims that while the couple always seem happy, they still face the same tensions and troubles as everyone else. Speaking to OK! magazine for their special anniversary edition, he said: “William and Kate have got through 10 years of marriage and royal duties without so much as a moan. Like any couple, they’ve had their ups and downs, their rows and tensions. But their commitment to the Queen and to this country has been unwavering, and the controversy over Meghan and Harry’s departure from the UK has made that even clearer.”

He also revealed that Kate and William plan to celebrate quietly with their children, George, Charlotte and Louis. But he believes the Queen wants to mark the occasion in a special way, especially as it represents the end of Kate’s first decade of duty.

He explains: “An anniversary dinner or reception is obviously impossible because of the Covid-19 pandemic. And I don’t think the Queen will bestow any new honours or titles on the couple either. In 2019, she marked Kate’s eighth year in The Firm by appointing her a Dame Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order. But she is conscious of the fact that their status could soon change dramatically – when her own reign comes to an end. Whatever she decides, as a Queen and grandmother, she will not let this occasion pass without paying tribute to Kate and William.”

[From The Daily Mirror]

I believe that people in Buckingham Palace and Clarence House know that Kate is a Mean Girl who is not that bright. The Sussexit underlined that knowledge in a very peculiar way, right? Like, it’s well known and probably well-discussed in courtier circles that Kate is lazy and mean. The courtiers also know Carole is the one keeping the Cambridges’ marriage together, and so there’s a tenuous truce between the Middletons and the Windsors, so long as Will and Kate stay together. Out of everyone in this situation, I still think William is the wild card. If he ever wants to leave Kate, he will, and he won’t care about the chaos of it. As for how their anniversary will be marked… I wonder if they’ll even spend their anniversary together. But I do know that Will and Kate will separately organize their own very obvious embiggening campaigns. And maybe the Queen will give them something special, like another helicopter, or perhaps their own train.

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  1. Boxy Lady says:

    “Without a moan?” I’m choosing to interpret that as “no orgasms.” 😂

  2. Lauren says:

    If you read between the lines there have been plenty of moans in 10 years and not a lot of royal duties. I’m honestly surprised though that of all the women that Baldemort has cheated with Rose was the one that got pushback from Keen Guevara. She was pretty quiet about the lawyer, the girls in the clubs (though we do know that that is how she got her way with having Louis), Baldingham travelling alone to see Jecca while Keen stayed home with the kids. But only Rose got the pushback as if she were Baldemort’s own Camilla. So… Are Baldemort and Rose still a thing?

    • Cecilia says:

      I think the affair with rose is over. But i do think it was more than a fling. Like he was in a full on relationship with rose. That being said, i feel like baldy might me in a new relationship if the ludicrous embiggening stories about kate are anything to go by.

      • Kaye says:

        Do be a little respectful ~ it’s “Baldemort,” not “baldy.”

      • CC2 says:

        The hand holding at Eugenies wedding came across as an attempt for reconciliation rather than an act of affection. There was something so odd and desperate and stiff about that moment imo.

      • Jais says:

        @kay-Lol, do get it right, darling. Baldimort is so much more refined.

      • Nic919 says:

        The “hand holding” at Eugenie’s wedding was Kate putting her hand on his thigh for a short period of time before he brushed her off. Even that gesture looked pathetic compared to all the other married couples around them.

    • notasugarhere says:

      She got Louis because he was caught drunk dad dancing with young blonds on a skiing holiday – while Kate was also out of the country having a skiing holiday with Pips as part of the Hen party.

    • Becks1 says:

      Rose and William being more than a fling is the only thing that makes sense in the context of Kate trying to freeze her out. Or maybe the London lawyer, the girls in the clubs etc don’t bother her because they’re not in her face? It’s different to know that your husband is having an affair with some woman that you don’t know, and to know that your husband is sleeping with your neighbor who is in your country social circle.

      • notasugarhere says:

        It may be that Rose and William are casual, but as we’ve discussed, Rose and Rocksavage are playing the role of Van Cutsems at Anmer. They enable William to have whatever side relationships he wants, privately at Houghton, 15 minutes from Anmer. That would help explain the Kate and Carole anti-Rose freakout, if Rose is enabling William’s Second Wife Search.

      • Wiglet Watcher says:

        William has flat out taken separate residence from Kate where she was not welcomed. Kate stayed with her parents and many articles came out like Kate telling reporters William hasn’t seen his children in some time. During his RAF and bespoke cert times.
        He’s had other mistresses that have apparently lasted longer than Rose. And Rose seems to have been a fling. Just also a fling that got under Kate’s skin for whatever reason.

        Only because it made print is Rose the lead mistress like Camilla. But even Camilla wasn’t always mistress number 1. Kanga flew under the radar and annoyed the hell out of Cam, but was never called out like Cam was.

      • Robin says:

        Hi Becks1. I’ve never been convinced it was Rose, mainly because she’s too close to both Kate and William, geographically and otherwise. I’ve always thought it’d be a woman only he knows and therefore someone he could keep secreted away from his normal life. Further than that, I thought this woman would be in quite a bind professionally if word got out. The banker things makes sense to me, therefore.

    • UnionSnack says:

      Kate was jealous bc Rose was (is?) named “Queen Bee” of their set. There sould be pnly one Queen – Kate is not about friendship and sisterhood.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Agreed, UnionSnack. William having an affair with Rose? Rose and Kate were never friends, the affair itself wouldn’t be the sticking point. Rose retaining her role as Queen Bee in the face of aristos dissing Kate? That’s the issue.

        Kate has only ever complained about his cheating when it is public, otherwise she knows it is part of the deal. The Middletons have always pushed back in the tabloids against William when his straying is made public.

        William hunting in Spain with Jecca? Kate let’s herself get papped taking their son to Mustique. Goes to Jecca’s wedding party in Kenya instead of family easter? Middleton pap parade to church with kids in tow. William caught dad dancing on a lads holiday? Kate gets Louis.

        Wiglet Watcher, do you have more of these? I remember you had a good list of examples a couple years ago.

      • Wiglet Watcher says:

        I just typed it all out, but I referenced my old handle and every time I do that I think my comments get flagged. So I’ll keep it shorter and to avoid being long winded will give details if requested.
        RAF cottage
        Reno 1 and 2 of KP.
        Anmer reno
        Notably George pregnancy and 1st 6 months.
        Same for Charlotte 1st 6 months.
        Multiple “family” vacations.
        William agro bespoke cert program.
        And even after joint events they were seen heli back to KP and taking separate vehicles to separate locations like strangers with no goodbye.

        Here and there midd pr or Kate herself would confirm William was away or have tanna snap pics of William far away from Kate to publish and shame him. Remember those?

      • UnionSnack says:

        I kinda believe that this time she’ll get nothing even if william will bang chicks on air. I guess they’re living separately and William don’t give a heck about her and perhaps about kids. For sure she tries to send “signs” – through media (“Kate has convinced William to get the fourth child), through her look – these *preggo vibes* coats. Funny that there is only one in this clique constantly TRIES to show that they are still a family and this is not William.

      • bluhare says:

        Had a feeling I knew who you were, Wiglet Watcher. Hope you are well.

      • Wiglet Watcher says:

        Omg bluhare
        I haven’t seen your handle in years!
        I’m really good. Life takes turns and sometimes they’re all in the right direction.
        Hope you’re doing well also!

        My new handle is a nod to the old Wiglet watch days.

      • Nic919 says:

        I think we need to add William getting covid and hiding it as another instance where he was with someone who wasn’t Kate.

    • Myra says:

      It’s likely due to the affair being closer to home. Rose is her neighbour, runs in her social circle and is her friend. While I don’t usually place blame on the “”companion” in extramarital affairs, I do hold a friend to a higher esteem than a stranger. I don’t expect respect from a stranger, but I do expect it from a friend.

      • Kiera says:

        I am wondering if the rose affair was a bigger deal because in reality Rose is the type of woman that William was expected to marry/tried to marry before settling with Kate. I think there’s a difference in your husband having a cute fling on the side that you know you can crush versus another woman of a similar social class and standing who could be a real threat. I don’t think Rose would ever leave her husband because she gets all the perks of the aristocrat etc. without having to fulfill any obligation/duty to the crown really.

      • goofpuff says:

        I highly doubt Rose and Kate are friends. Kate doesn’t have any friends in that social circle aka Tatler article. They seem more like co workers for charity when Kate can be bothered to do charity, Rose does a lot of charity work and isn’t lazy.

      • Becks1 says:

        @goofpuff – I think Kate thought she was friends with them, or at least thought that she was the “head” of the Turnip Toffs, considering she’s the FFQC – her inability to freeze out Rose followed by the Tatler article a year later disabused her of that notion.

      • Myra says:

        I mean, Rose might not see her as a ‘friend’ friend (I would say more because of snobbishness and classism than work ethics), but Kate no doubt did. Kate aspired to be part of that circle. This is why this affair would likely hurt more than rumours with random strangers.

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      Let’s also not forget the story about him being friendly with the other mums at the kids school and how he was friendly with a footballers wife. IIRC there was some vague implication about being at the gym with them as well (its near the school).

      • notasugarhere says:

        That seemed like part of the ‘no he’s not having an affair’ PR push. Like the strange Kate swimming in pearl earrings story from Carole that came out right before news of the affair hit.

    • February-Pisces says:

      I feel like the affair with rose was over for a minute but it’s not done. I think break ups and make ups happen frequently in those circles. I’m still in two minds whether it was the middletons who leaked about rose in the first place. They seems to “win” in this situation. I think the original leak was a warning shot to rose to back off. Also it made Willie sh*t himself. Eyes were on them now more than ever meaning he had to cool it with her and work double time showing his ‘love to kate’. Also if Willie ever did ditch Kate and go public with rose, we can reference the fact they had been linked since 2019, meaning poor keen has been cheated on this whole time, just like diana. Also Willie doubled down his smears against Meghan and harry forcing them to leave.

      It’s definitely a wild theory considering that keen spends most of her time pretending to have the prefect marriage, but if Willie was ready to walk out the door, she may have had no choice but to take drastic action. Plus it all seemed to work out perfectly for Kate who ‘won’ at every turn. Rose had her warning shot, Willie has to play act the perfect husband, harry and Meghan leave the country, and keen is still set to be future kween.

      • Anance says:

        ‘I feel like the affair with rose was over for a minute but it’s not done.’

        I think this is correct. Outing the affair backfired because it showed Rose’s husband was fine with it; William can pretend “well, now everyone knows.” If
        Will and Rose truly split up, Kate would have had her fourth baby.

        ‘I am wondering if the rose affair was a bigger deal because in reality Rose is the type of woman that William was expected to marry/tried to marry before settling with Kate.’

        Absolutely. Rose probably has supporters in the Palace and Clarence House as a superior Queen Consort. In fact, there are rumors that one of Rose’s children is really William’s and older than George. How’s that for hardcore nastiness.

  3. BearcatLawyer says:

    Without a moan? Their public comments about each other are often a little sniping, almost bitter, but couched in humour so they can be laughed off as teasing.

    And they are not committed to duty. They are incredibly committed to the money and lifestyle though.

  4. Cecilia says:

    William and kate have had ups and downs in their marriage but have always committed to serving the QUEEN????? Not committed to make their marriage work but committed to serving the queen. So if it weren’t for the queen these 2 would be divorced by now. Why do i feel like the media is starting to say the quiet part out loud?

    • JT says:

      Committed to serving the queen, all while barley working. They don’t even out work her, how the hell are supporting her?

    • notasugarhere says:

      If it weren’t for Carole these two never would have married.

    • Becks1 says:

      Yup, like you said – they’re starting to say the quiet part out loud and it’s getting messy.

    • UnionSnack says:

      He doesn’t love her and doesn’t care about her – it’s obvious. But still they need good PR. That’s why when Kate goes for obvious PR stunt at the memory of killed woman – she is “so in touch with all the women”; when she is silent she is “dignified”: when she is not working she is “hands-on mom”. We’ll get a lot of articles about their “stable” and “quiet” relationship soon and even their divorce will be “classy” and “elegant”.

      • notasugarhere says:

        We’re getting a lot of pro-Kate PR from Kate, Carole, and the Middleton-friendly tabloids. It doesn’t include pro-William PR, but are more embiggening Kate stories. Trying to convince the general public to embrace Kate, should William attempt to divorce her.

      • Becks1 says:

        @nota that’s what I think is happening here.

    • escondista says:

      I see this as less about Will and Kate’s relationship with each other and more about being ugly to Harry and Meg. Stories about Will and Kate are always in bragging opposition to H&M’s life choices lately. W&K and the British press are obsessed with H&M.

      • Mooney says:

        People should really be careful what they wish for. They are hoping to break up the Sussex marriage, but who knows it’d be their golden perfect couple who’d end up for divorcing.

    • Myra says:

      It’s the royal equivalent of “we are staying together for the children”, only for them it’s because of “duty”. Duty seems to have a vague, loose, definition though.

  5. Emily_C says:

    They’ve had “ups and downs,” “rows and tensions,” but remain committed to the Queen and country. Not each other. Not a hint that they give one fine damn about each other.

    • Over it says:

      I so agree with you. We put on a show for the public, our marriage is the act. We definitely live separate lives behind the scenes

    • harla says:

      This statement has to be the most unromantic thing I’ve ever heard! Not committed to each other or to their marriage but to Queen and country?! Wtf?

    • SarahCS says:

      Sometimes they accidentally tell the truth as has been pointed out here before. Their ‘marriage’ is 100% business arrangement but all part of the smoke and mirrors of monarchy.

  6. OriginalLala says:

    I love how they remain committed to the Queen but not each other lol

  7. Nomegusta says:

    I get serious Dax Shepard/Kristen Bell vibes from these stories. Like everytime they come out it feels like confirmation that things are so, so much worse behind closed doors.

    BM are so wonderfully bad at this

    • notasugarhere says:

      Good analogy. Another set of people who scream about press giving their kids privacy, but who turn around and use their own kids for PR and moneymaking.

  8. Haylie says:

    There couldn’t possibly be any down moments. Unkle Junkie told us that Kate has never put a foot wrong!

  9. equality says:

    This is weird. So all that can be said for K&W is that they have stayed married, had children, and done the expected duties they are being paid for? So why should Will jump ahead and be king before Charles? At least in an article about Charles SPECIFIC things he has founded or advocated can be listed. Writers don’t have to resort to “at least Charles isn’t like Andrew, he’s still a working royal”.

  10. Naomi says:

    i do not see william leaving kate. he knows that if he divorces this will put the entire British RF in danger, and william WANTS to be king. things seem to be fine for him: keep the marriage to stay in line of king, sleep with other women on the side. seriously, a divorce would blow everything up! and he wants that kingship too bad to rock the boat.

    • Merricat says:

      This divorce would be no worse than the other divorces. They have the heir and the spare. Now they need a ffq who works.

    • JT says:

      What danger? According to most people, the Brits are too apathetic to even get rid of it. If the monarchy could survive Diana and Charles divorcing and Pedo Andy, then they are fine. At most, it will be diminished but that was probably going to happen anyway. Kate is not beloved, that entire image is manufactured. She has barley made a blip in ten years and even now she is only mentioned in the context of Meghan. William’s reign would probably be better off without Kate to be honest. It’s not like she working her ass off for the crown or something. All the royals’ need to do is frame a divorce in the right way. They e done it before. It’s not like C&C were some great love story.

      • Jais says:

        I feel like the press would love to eventually move on to articles about new women William might be seeing. Right now, they have to write about Kate the great but really the press loves to vilify and demean women and this would give them fresh targets. It’s gross but I think the press would actually love a divorce? Will might prefer having the situation as it is but the press might not idk?

      • Harper says:

        Concern for Kate as Royal Admits She is Not Coping With Increased Workload.
        William Is Torn Between Duty to the Crown and Loyalty to Kate as Marriage Crumbles Under Work Stress.
        The Latest Victim of Megxit: Kate and Will’s Love.
        Charles Orders Kate to Show Up as Duchess Dolittle Hides Out in Norfolk for Third Straight Week
        Carole Middleton’s Tabloid Hijinks Forced Harry to Choose Love Over Duty
        Royal Monster-In-Law: Did Carol Orchestrate Meghan Smear to Save Kate’s Marriage?

        I mean, there are so many ways to smear Kate if the tabs decide to. We’ve seen that even when there is no scandal, they are able to weaponize avocados and belly bumps.

      • swirlmamad says:

        @Jais, agreed and a divorce would certainly give them the fodder they’ve been salivating for ever since H&M left. The BM has no personal incentive for these two to stay together. They only hype them up now to create content to pull down their real cash cow.

      • windyriver says:

        Also thinking Will’s reign might be better off without Kate, and it must have occurred to him too, hence all the “amazing Kate” articles recently as Middleton manor gets more worried.

        I think seeing Harry’s relationship with Meghan was a big trigger (along with getting older). He realizes something’s missing with Kate; not necessarily (just) romantically, but having a useful working partner. Will’s jealous of Harry’s power player status, which has grown since he married Meghan, while Will’s attempts to compete consistently fall flat, despite his status as FFK. He won’t blame himself, has been taught to believe he’s better than Harry, so the next logical step would be to blame Kate. And IMO, Kate made a big mistake not developing any skills over the years, to be prepared for the moment when the tide (sands?) shifted, as they were bound to do. She should have copied more from Diana than her clothes.

        Obviously, Will’s not preparing for a workload like, Charles, Anne, or even Sophie. He’s still lazy. But he wants to be internationally respected and taken seriously. While his reign is likely years off, as Charles assumes more and more duties from TQ and plans the monarchy’s future, being known as part of that process is something Will definitely wants.

        Finally, if it’s true Will had a three-year relationship with Rose – well, like Meghan, she’s no slouch in terms of what she’s accomplished, in her own sphere. If Will’s idea of what he wants in a partner has changed, Kate has nothing new to offer. And while Will isn’t much different than he was 10 years ago either, his position was always secure. I agree if they were to divorce, it wouldn’t have that big an impact in the long run, not after all the other divorces in the RF, and certainly nothing like Charles and Diana.

      • Dee Kay says:

        @windyriver all you say here makes sense, but I still think Wililam won’t divorce Kate, and that’s because he couldn’t find anyone else halfway decent to marry him. Rose Hanbury Cholmondeley would never ever divorce her husband to become QC. That would be a huge step down for her in terms of her privacy and personal freedom, she is queen of her own small kingdom with very few intrusions from press or public, and she knows William is a raging crybaby. Anyone with an aristocratic background, a lick of sense and good work ethic (which is what William would need to have lined up if he left Kate) would say no to him in a hurry. So even though he *would* probably divorce Kate, he can’t by virtue of the fact that he couldn’t secure any other better partner for himself.

      • windyriver says:

        @Dee Kay – agree Rose would never give up her current situation for Will, nor would most women even consider marrying into that family, after seeing what happened to Diana, and now Meghan. But, what if William didn’t have to be married? For example, people talked on the other thread about the PR possibilities of Will casting himself in the role of a single, divorced father. Charles and Camilla are married, but hasn’t she maintained her separate residence, and enjoys a family life with her own children that Charles isn’t really part of? What if Will hooked up with someone willing to partner with him for periodic engagements, but who otherwise remained out of the public eye? The RF could sell this as a “modern” relationship.

        A commenter here recently expressed what appears to be fairly reliable tea, that Will and Rose did (do?) have a relationship that lasted three years. So, while it’s hard to imagine what there is that’s attractive about Will given what we’ve read and seen, there must be something to keep a woman like Rose interested that long. There is of course the small issue of Will’s propensity to cheat, and how many other women would put up with that the way Kate apparently has, but perhaps he’ll find his own version of a Camilla, and cut back on the carousing.

        Who knows, just throwing out ideas here!

    • Gab says:

      Agree. He won’t leave her. He’s happy to just keep other women on the side and she lets him for the most part.

    • Amy Bee says:


    • Cecilia says:

      @naomi. The only bad thing that would come from a divorce is the endless comparisons to diana. But if it ever were to come to a divorce im sure williams media henchmen will do their best to completely tarnish kate image, something i believe to be fairly easy. There’s enough dirt on that woman.

      • SarahCS says:

        Plus if they divorce then Kate will be in the wind. We know she makes zero effort with anything so if there is continued noise around her it will all be Carole and I don’t see why Kate would want to engage when she can sit back and shop, play tennis, get her hair done.

    • swirlmamad says:

      As has been said numerous times, Charles survived divorcing Diana, who was much more loved than Kate will ever hope to be. Will can easily do the same, esp for those stans who have been hollering for him to skip Charles for years. They’ll forgive him moving on and he won’t even have to do that much rehabilitative work as Kate’s been digging her own grave for months. It sucks but men always get the free pass in these situations and Will, Diana’s firstborn son will be no different.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Divorces do not put the BRF in danger. 40 percent of marriages in the UK end in divorce. The Church of England has allowed divorced persons to remarry in the Church since 2002. The future king, Charles, is already setting the example that you can be remarried and still end up as king (no matter what the Diana obsessives will tell you).

      William could easily divorce Kate, and if the Midds don’t to quietly, the BRF goes nuclear on them. Nothing the Middletons have on William comes close to what the BRF and Tory government have on the Midds.

      We’re seeing the Middleton panic now, with all the Kate embiggening articles that cast William as weak or secondary.

      • Tessa says:

        Peter Phillips got divorced and it was hardly a blip on the radar even though he is the QUeen’s firstborn grandchild. I think William could divorce Kate if he met someone he loved and wanted to marry and custody agreements could be worked out.

      • notasugarhere says:

        When we look at it, many are divorced. Charles, Anne, Andrew. Duke and Duchess of Kent have lived separately for decades. Linley/Snowdon and Serena. Davinia Windsor Lewis.

      • Lizzie says:

        A lot of people are still mad at Charles and Camilla. I don’t know how popular he would be if Diana had lived and everyone saw Camilla taking her place.
        It’s not just divorce per se but the circumstances around the future head of the church divorce/remarriage.
        Kate has a lot of fans who would not appreciate someone taking her place, but I guess we all know what a smear campaign can do.

      • Wiglet Watcher says:

        I believe the opposite is true.
        Diana was starting to grow as she aged and wasn’t on awful terms with Cam. They were playing the game. That Diana died left the situation as it was and the resentment grew from the public towards Cam and Charles.

        That Kate is alive will show is she can move on or be bitter and attacked in the press. She’s not beloved like Diana.

      • Saucy&Sassy says:

        notasugarhere, I think someone mentioned this in a previous post days ago, but do you think it’s possible that the hiring of two crisis managers could be anticipating a divorce? I have to admit that might be the smartest thing they ever did if it’s true. If so, no wonder the Mids are in a panic.

    • Monica says:

      I suspect that William can do whatever he wants at this point. The BRF is going to fade into irrelevancy out of sheer inertia. It’ll be like nightly network news shows in the US. A grand institution for decades, still extant, but no one watches.

    • ShazBot says:

      The only reason I think he wouldn’t want to divorce is because his family man image is literally all he’s got going on right now. It’s an easy thing for him to fall back on.
      But it could very very easily be arranged for it to look totally fine – they fell out of love, they are committed to their kids, he takes on some more duties “throwing himself into the work”, and, after an appropriate amount of time, ventures into the dating pool.
      It’d be exceptionally easy to cast off the Middletons, they’ve provided more than enough ammunition over the years.

  11. Sofia says:

    I mean they definitely have “moaned”. It was literally last year they were sending legal letters to Tatler, they’ve been moaning about the Oprah interview and Kate has also moaned about Meghan making her cry (when that wasn’t even true)

  12. Over it says:

    This picture with her in the red and white and him looking the other way always makes me feel that he just b—-tched her out in the car then got out and doesn’t give a f. I think it’s the way their daily lives are, she cries and drinks a lot because he doesn’t care about her.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Former staff have remarked on her bitchiness, and call her Prickly Princess. She’s been known as a bully and meangirl for years. Whatever this unhealthy relationship is? They’re both going after each other, with Carole playing peacemaker for two decades. No victims here.

    • booboocita says:

      Honestly, that pic made me feel a bit sorry for her — a very small bit, but still. It’s light years away from the Photoshopped pics from Philip’s funeral. Her anxiety and unease definitely show. She looks about ten years older than she is. I know some of the rough skin is from smoking, and I suspect some of the deep grooves in her forehead and around her mouth are from heavy drinking, but you don’t become that haggard at her age just from substance abuse. She’s paying a heavy price for a chance at a crown.

  13. Woke says:

    All I’m seeing is if it wasn’t for the crown these two would’ve been divorced already. They should tone the embiggening stories down. Its redundant.

  14. SurelyNot says:

    I understand most of y’alls nicknames — but you aren’t actually referencing Che Guevara here no?

  15. Harper says:

    Ups and downs? Rows and tensions? Who authorized such brutal honesty during the glorious week of celebrating the Cambridges’ pigeon love?

  16. Lizzie says:

    I said yesterday that if self-pity were a sport these two would take gold medals. No monaning? That is now there brand, Woe Is ME, but please take my picture.

  17. Over it says:

    Does anyone else feel that maybe the wandering Willy got someone besides his wife pregnant? This would explain the midd constant pr drive.

  18. harla says:

    I find it so interesting that none of the RRs bring up any love between William and Kate, no sense of romance or even companionship, just duty to queen and country. If anyone spoke about my marriage in this way I’d be very hurt, thinking that all anyone sees when looking at me and my hubby is duty, no love, no passion, hell not even the littlest bit of warmth.

    • Emily_C says:

      Yeah. I’ve been thinking that the rota seemed seriously offended that Harry obviously loved Meghan. Like, they thought a man loving his wife was totally out of bounds — at least for a man of his class. (And obviously racism, xenophobia, classism, etc. made it that much worse.) So maybe they think a marriage without love or even the slightest hint of friendship is ideal. It’s creepy.

      • Miranda says:

        Love is for peasants and mistresses. The RF clearly believes that Meghan, being the former, should have settled for being the latter.

      • swirlmamad says:

        I think the main offense is that he so deeply and purely loves a NON-WHITE, FOREIGN woman. Looking at the FFK and Q, the epitome of aspirational white English upper-crust society, and anyone with eyes who can read between the lines can see that their union is a sad, broken, and lonely one. In their minds is the resounding question — Why should this half-black, non-British interloper get the loving, devoted life partner that the English rose (ha) Queen-to-be will never receive?

  19. Over it says:

    Or maybe one of the side pieces had a pregnancy scare and now midds are terrified

  20. Miranda says:

    I suppose it makes a marriage much easier when you’re indifferent to your husband’s infidelity, which I’m pretty sure Kate is. Either she has her own side piece, or she’s completely frigid and only gets off on positive press (blissfully unaware that her idea of “positive” is eyeroll-inducing to normal people) and Regina George LARPing. I’m sure she brings up William’s cheating when she’s feeling especially petty and there are no flower girl tights to sob over, but she doesn’t REALLY give a shit.

    • notasugarhere says:

      She might give a sh!t, but she ruthlessly went after him for a decade regardless. She knows cheating has always been part of the agreement to marry her, in exchange for her getting status and a title.

      • swirlmamad says:

        I remain convinced that she went into it with the cliched view that he would change once she officially got him into her clutches. That, and her stage mother pushed and coerced her into it with the same view.

      • notasugarhere says:

        She cheated with him for months behind his girlfriend’s back, she’s sat back and enabled the cheating for years. Staff leaked a story about William telling the Queen and Charles that he didn’t love Kate enough to be faithful. She’s always known and accepted cheating, during marriage, as part of the deal. She wants the title of Princess of Wales and Queen (Consort), and will put up with anything for it. But as time goes by, it is clear she may not get those titles because William will ditch her first.

  21. lanne says:

    I’m shocked that no one is pushing the “fairy tale romance” thing anymore. That was allwe heard when they got married. She did look beautiful, the wedding had all the pomp and circumstance expected from a Big British Shebang, and it was the first and happiest Big British Shebang in a long time. So why no nostalgia? Why no replaying the wedding? That seems like the simplest way to suggest “All is fine, nothing to see here, move along, move along!”

    So…what’s the story?

    • Cecilia says:

      All their anniversary stories seem to either revolve around the sussexes, about duty to crown and country or are puff pieces for kate. Not a mention of romantic gestures of william, not even about their kids. Very strange indeed

    • Haylie says:

      They had to do lots of embiggening in late 2010/2011 leading up to the “romantic” fairy tale wedding. The engagement announcement was to distract from economic strife that led to protests in London. Charles and Camilla’s motorcade got caught in one of the protests. Next thing we know, the Clarence House engagement announcement between Willie and Waity was offered up.

      This is a sham love story.l designed to keep people from noticing the Royal Robber Barrons.

    • windyriver says:

      They likely had different plans a month ago about how to play up the anniversary. Remember the visit to Westminster Abbey, Kate’s white dress, and this picture of them looking at each other?

      And didn’t People do a special edition about their 10-year anniversary?

      Then Philip died, and the big news was whether Harry (and Meghan) would return, etc., and Kate being such a peacemaker, and so on…

  22. Monica says:

    They have plenty of surrogate moaners in Unka Gary and the BM.

  23. Amy Bee says:

    I’m predicting that KP will release a new picture of William and Kate and the children to mark the the tenth anniversary and the Queen will give them a new title. They’ll probably announce some new patronages that they will be taking on to show their continued commitment and duty to the Queen.

    • notasugarhere says:

      There’s no point in a new title. They’re already going to have some cobbled together ones, once he’s Duke of Cornwall and Cambridge, or Cambridge and Cornwall.

  24. swirlmamad says:

    “But she is conscious of the fact that their status could soon change dramatically – when her own reign comes to an end.”

    Care to elaborate on this one? This very easily could be interpreted as a change in a NEGATIVE way.

  25. Julia K says:

    Does anyone else remember Wm saying, after the wedding and getting into the carriage, “are you happy now?” according to the CNN lip reader? That has always stayed with me but I could be mis remembering. Never hear anyone else talking about this.

    • swirlmamad says:

      I thought it was that Kate said to him “are you happy?” which is also a bizarre thing to ask your new husband right after you are declared husband and wife.

  26. Belig says:

    Please pardon my ignorance as someone who rarely visits Royals posts : what is the “evidence to suggest that they live separately and that William only sees the kids occasionally”?

    • Becks1 says:

      Welcome to our fun royal world! lol

      So Kate and William have both made a variety of comments over the years about William not seeing the kids a lot – someone else will have them more handy than I do, but even as recently as late 2019 I think William made some comment about being able to spend time with the kids or something (it made him sound like a divorced dad who only saw the kids on weekends or something) – Kate made a similar comment when George was a baby about William not being around that much.

      In the early years of their marriage when they were living in Wales Kate was spotted frequently with her mother in Bucklebury, so she clearly wasn’t in Wales. I think it happened enough (or she was in London) that people sort of figured she wasn’t really living FT in Wales.

      Most recently, its been the fact that William got COVID but no one else in the Cambridge household did, and the fact that they suddenly started zooming from Sandringham about 2-3 months ago. There’s no reason to zoom from there, Anmer and KP are both large enough to have separate “zoom rooms,” it really gave the vibe that William was living at Sandringham so Kate had to travel there to zoom.

      • Jenna says:

        To be fair, my husband had Covid and he was the only one in our family of 5 that tested positive. And we had just been on holiday the week before he fell ill, so we were together even more than normal.

        This does not mean I believe the Cambridge’s stay together, just simply an observation of the bizarre way Covid infects.

      • swirlmamad says:

        @Jenna, I have definitely heard of this happening and it is true that it’s possible he could’ve been around his family, gotten COVID, and the rest of them somehow didn’t. But coupled with all the other clues and Easter eggs….it all just seems very suspect.

      • Dee says:

        Or Kate did get it and they kept it hushed because she had been out and might have infected people? When William got it has never been made clear.

      • Nic919 says:

        William is likely now living in Wood Farm since Philip was forced to move to Windsor last year. Doing a zoom room at sandringham would make it easier for him instead of trekking all the way to Anmer.

    • Jan says:

      Princess William was the only one that got Covid-19 in the family, unless Kate and the children have a super immune system.

    • Belig says:

      Thank you, everyone. Very enlightening!

  27. Steph says:

    The wording here is so weird. They’ve had their ups and downs in their marriage but they remain committed to…. the queen. Not to each other? Their relationship?

    • ArtHistorian says:

      The wording is weird – but I remember when they were married that some of the media commentary was that according to “royal sources” that this marriage couldn’t be allowed to fail – and that this fait came from the Queen.

  28. IRMAVEP says:

    It’s ghastly to see the canon of Cambridge photos of their [increasingly rare] joint engagements. They barely even smile – William especially – let alone exchange a grin with each other. Both look strained, frustrated, bored, fake, angry. Then compare these Cambridge ‘reveals’ with photos of Harry and Meghan, who clearly enjoy being with people and relish each other’s company. As do Charles and Camilla. Is this canon of Cambridge expressions all that the RF can look forward to from W&K for the next fifty or so years? Imagine being at some function, waiting for the Cambridges to arrive, and feeling your heart sinking into your boots as the car doors open and out step the ‘new glums’, grimly waiting for their ten or fifteen minutes in your company to be over. And then, as the morose pair appear in the press photos afterwards, explaining to someone senior to you, why the Cambridges were so bored at your charity/ institute/ gallery opening, etc. How many charities etc., wish the Cambridges elsewhere, I wonder?

    • notasugarhere says:

      Very Charles and Diana circa South Korea, no?

    • swirlmamad says:

      They rarely if ever interact with each other. At the engagement they just did the other day (where they both looked like they’d been put thru the ringer), K attempted to smile and say something to Will and he didn’t even acknowledge or look her way. Just kept staring down at something with a straight face. Odd ducks, those two.

    • Lizzie says:

      The new glums, lol.

    • Nic919 says:

      Even seeing the interactions of Jack and Eugenie , Mike and Zara and Beatrice and Edo, at the funeral, you saw the obvious difference between them and the Cambridges.

  29. Becks1 says:

    wrong place

  30. Midge says:

    No mention of love anywhere in that piece. Kate was hired for a job.

  31. Rapunzel says:

    I’m starting to think Will has learned something negative about Kate in recent times, and really wants to get rid of her because he doesn’t trust her or Carole anymore. Like, did she have an affair of her own? Purposefully get pregnant with Louis without his agreement?

    I think something happened– this isn’t just a marriage naturally falling apart.

    • notasugarhere says:

      It may be the constant briefing *against William* in the tabloids, where Kate/Carole are embiggening Kate by making William look weak.

  32. Maria says:

    They are miserable together.

    I’m suspecting he’s waiting for the Queen to pass.

    And that article about Kate hoping for a new honor from the Queen for the anniversary is so pathetic and laughable. And even Uncle Gary’s comments couldn’t get the approval of DM readers. What is going on in this household? 😂

  33. keroppi says:

    I always wonder if she has someone on the side? We always discuss W and I have no doubt that he does, but I’m really curious about K. Do you think W would even care?

    • Anne says:

      I am curious about that too. But I honestly think that she is unhealthily obsessed with William.

      • keroppi says:

        I think that was definitely true in the past, but I could see that changing as it becomes more obvious that they live separate lives.

  34. L4frimaire says:

    I find this couple uninspiring, mean and disappointing, but there seems to be a lot of projection here. We don’t know where they’re living, or if together or separate. Seems a little mean spirited and feel this can be conveyed with facts and analysis over snark. I think there is a bigger story here but not seeing it through the swipes.

    • Maria says:

      Aside from the fact their situation has not only been documented but also been underhandedly confirmed, with all of the things this couple have done to make Harry and Meghan miserable and to try to break up their marriage and get Harry to leave Meghan – this is exactly the commentary they deserve.

      • L4frimaire says:

        You’re probably right they don’t deserve much more, and this is minor compare to what the Sussexes go through 24/7. I’m sick of them and fawning, and they don’t deserve much sympathy. I guess there actually is very little actual news on these two because there are so many layers surrounding and protecting them, which is just so frustrating that they get to coast through life after trying to wreck others.

      • Maria says:

        That I definitely understand. Nobody knows for real what’s happening. It does seem like camp Middleton is spooked though!! So the speculation from that is inevitable!

  35. Anne says:

    I’ve just literally spit my coffee when I read Keen Guevara. Thank you for the laugh. It might be my new favorite expression ever.

  36. Libellule says:

    If it weren’t for the crown, these two wouldn’t have married at all, let alone stay married. There is no chance in hell Kate (and Carole) would have pursuit William if he wasn’t FFK

  37. Jay says:

    I always find it odd how much these Cambridge sources big up the importance of Kate’s “waiting period” before her marriage. To make sure she was really really ready, and yet Kate is still described as “learning” her role. She’ll get the hang of it someday!

    Just imagine if, on the occasion of your ten year wedding anniversary, the only kind thing people could say was how good it was that your partner made you wait around for several painful years to make sure you were good enough for him. It’s pitiful.

    I can see that it’s meant to contrast Harry’s “hasty” marriage but… it’s not flattering in the way they might think.

  38. Joy says:

    I think Carole will murder William before she allowed a divorce.

    • Saucy&Sassy says:

      Joy, I have a feeling that she won’t get much of a chance. I think the people who have posted about the rather nefarious doings of the Mids and Uncle Gary are known in detail by the brf. The Mids probably won’t get much of a chance because the Firm will go scorched earth on them.

  39. NotSoSimpleTaylor says:

    I think Carole played with the big dogs but has now lost control of a situation. This should end well.

  40. candy says:

    This is supposed to make them sound good? It does this opposite. The last time William and Kate looked happy was before Louis was born. I do think William enjoys the closeness with Kate’s parents, and that this filled a big void for him. Unfortunately, there is something unnatural about being too close to your in-laws, it creates a brother/sister dynamic within a couple. I admit, I was reluctant to believe the Rose rumors, but I’m starting to think they are true. At the very least, something isn’t right in the marriage for there to even be a whisper of “ups and downs.” This is a totally new narrative emerging.

    Back when they got married, everyone was saying they were gonna “last” because they’d already been together so long. It’s NOT a good sign when a guy takes ten years to propose. It usually means he isn’t willing to commit. I follow FDS pretty religiously and you really shouldn’t stay with a man who doesn’t pop the question within a reasonable time frame, ladies (if marriage is your goal).

    • Jais says:

      What is FDS @candy?
      I wouldn’t have believed the rose rumors if it hadn’t been followed with the smearing of Meghan and Harry about the private planes and then followed by the Flybe stunt. That had me thinking the rumors are prob true and Will and Kate are actually helping the press go after Meghan. That’s where I felt there was real intent that could be read between the lines of the tabloids.
      Who knows? Maybe there has never been cheating and it’s all speculation?
      But if there was cheating and members of the media covered for Will in exchange for leaks about Meghan and Harry, what will happen. Ext? If they’re not getting clicks anymore, what would stop them from eventually leaking evidence of the affair? Whether it’s true or whether Will and Kate stay together doesn’t seem to matter as long as it can be used for clicks now that the sussexes are gone. Good chance the Cambridge’s know this and that they might just be waiting for that shoe to drop, or at least be worried about it?
      William seems to have sway with certain outlets but nothing lasts forever.

      • candy says:

        Hi Jais, it’s Female Dating Strategy, which started on Reddit but has since expanded to other media. FDS is female-focused and aims to foster an environment where women are put first, valued, safe, etc. within their dating experiences, but also more broadly in the world of work and society.

  41. AMJ says:

    A new narrative, no ‘big romance for the ages’ articles… That marriage is dead in the water. Once QE passes, William will ditch Kate. He will slowly spin the PR about her being lazy, manipulative, blackmailing him emotionally into the marriage and whatnot, etc. Carole will get a rude awakening when she’ll end up suddenly being the evil mastermind of all this in the press.

  42. Kfg says:

    I don’t think he’s still with Rose, I think he’s seeing a TToff aristo girl who is actually intelligent and has a pedigree. I think once the queen retires, Charles will support the divorce and use all the midds bs to crucify them and Kate in the press. KP and CH will blame Kate for H&M leaving and then say that Kate stalked Will and that her jealousy and greedy family were the cause of the rift. They’ll also say she was attempting to have an affair with Harry.

    • Deering24 says:

      Whoa. The bombs TF will drop about Kate’s role in driving Meghan out are going to. Be. Epic. Guess we’ll _finally_ get the real story about that bridesmaids/cry drivel. 🤣😈😎🤣

  43. Coco says:

    What came to my mind is the Upson* family from “Auntie Mame” – bourgeois bigots with delusions of grandeur.

    *There’s a groan-inducing joke in the movie where Mr Upson says, “Your elevator is like our country house because it has its Upson Downs!”

  44. Keri says:

    Very true candy. My new man told me almost the same thing when we got together 2 months ago. There’s nothing like a ready man and one who isn’t. They know immediately what they want from you so if he isn’t proposing after a reasonable time, he doesn’t want to. I’m expecting mine on Thursday. He’s too obvious. No man is worth the kind of bs Kate has put herself through. She has aged so horribly probably due to stress from constant worrying and plotting. Nothing is worth your peace of mind, absolutely nothing.

  45. S808 says:

    I’m still team ‘they’ll never divorce’ but SOMETHING has Kate/Carole real freaked out cause the embiggening articles kicked into overdrive after Rosegate. I don’t think comparisons to Meghan are enough to make them pile on like this.

  46. Merricat says:

    Now would be a great time for Kate to grab hold of the narrative by leaving William AND Carole and turning her self-obsessed life into something actually good. Wouldn’t that be something.

  47. ClaireB says:

    Everyone is speculating that William has a new sidepiece that he wants to drop Kate for, but I cannot imagine any woman of his class being willing to put up with him as a full-time job. You can tell from his pictures and the few words he bothers to speak that he’s a miserable person, and that’s supported by the rare leaks from the palaces about how he’s always been a bully. Who would want that? Another lazy gold-digger, who just has a bit more utility than Kate? Who??

    • Greywacke says:

      Well, Charles did. Camilla could have bailed by the time they married. But then Will doesn’t need a replacement, and if he had one ready, it would be a long while before they debuted the relationship.

    • Cessily says:

      Someone who is being “love bombed”

  48. Linda says:

    If Willy is as sexually active outside the marriage as you all think I hope Kate is getting some on the side as well. Fair’s fair.

    • swirlmamad says:

      I’ve made it pretty clear I’m no fan of hers, but if William is flagrantly stepping out on her I think she has every right to do the same. May as well be equally dysfunctional.

    • Leanne says:

      Oh, you know she wouldn’t be allowed- Mr Incandescent with Rage and all

    • Saucy&Sassy says:

      Linda, wouldn’t it be interesting if KATE is the one in a long term relationship with a side dish! That would certainly get Ma Mids into hyperdrive.

  49. JRenee says:

    My goodness, you all dropped serious tea here today, wow.
    The way he’s appearing at her events, I thought maybe he was afraid she’d speak out of turn regarding the Sussexes.
    Now, who really is lining up to have affairs with him?

  50. Epic says:

    Oh so you’re like obsessed, seek help…tragic.

  51. bluhare says:

    Nit sure you’re who o thought you were. I dont think she would have been as nice! Let me know who you were back then, we certainly had a lot of fun with all that! nice!

  52. Melanie P says:

    Kate looks old for her age,, it really shows when she’s not laughing like a horse 🐎