Penny Junor: ‘A reconciliation over their dead grandfather could be a possibility’

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You know what has happened? The royal commentators had spent much of the past five weeks building up the drama for Prince Harry and Prince William’s “reunion” at Princess Diana’s statue unveiling, and now all of the commentators have just taken all of that energy and put it towards the Duke of Edinburgh’s funeral. It’s the exact same storyline, just different circumstances for the reunion. And can I just say? I’m super-disappointed in the New York Times for following the British press’s lead in their coverage. The NYT went all-in with this idea that the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s Oprah interview was unforgivable, and that it was “bad timing” given Philip’s ill health. The Windsors truly sent that man to the hospital right after they learned that Harry and Meghan would sit down with Oprah that very same week. The Times also spoke to Penny Junor – whew chile – about the battle of brothers and of course everything she says is asinine. Why give her the platform, NYT?

That period of national concern over Philip’s health lent the royal family sympathy during an unusual dust-up within the institution, one that pitted brother against brother as Harry, in the interview with Ms. Winfrey, accused his family of racism and emotional abandonment.

With that conflict still raging, Philip’s death on Friday at age 99 opened a new and uncertain chapter in the turbulent life of the House of Windsor. Among the first acts of the post-Philip era was the announcement that Harry would attend his grandfather’s funeral, scheduled for April 17, a slimmed-down ceremony that palace officials said would be limited to 30 people.

No question was more on the minds of royal watchers than whether Harry would make peace with his brother, Prince William, after a monthslong feud.

“Harry will come home, and a meeting between the brothers and perhaps, with luck, a reconciliation over their dead grandfather could be a possibility,” said Penny Junor, a royal historian. Or not. “It’s going to go one way or the other. There’s a sort of war going on within the family, and being played out in public. It’s been everything the family doesn’t want.”

The heating up of those tensions during Philip’s hospitalization created an awkward split screen, which defenders of Buckingham Palace used to attack Harry and Meghan for doing anything that could detract attention from the patriarch’s health. In her interview, Meghan referred to Philip’s illness after Ms. Winfrey had asked about regrets. She said she had awaked that very morning to a note saying that Philip had been hospitalized. Nevertheless, she and Harry offered a painful account of their life within “the Firm,” the family institution that Philip spent much of his life trying to preserve.

Few elements of the fallout between Harry and the rest of his family have pained Britons as much as his strained relationship with William, with whom he was once said to have a very close bond. “If there is a coming together at the funeral, and the boys, the brothers, can speak to one another and forgive and forget, then I think there’s some hope that Philip’s death may bring about an end to something that might otherwise have gone on for decades,” said Ms. Junor, the historian, who wrote “The Firm: The Troubled Life of the House of Windsor.”

“But that hasn’t happened yet, and it may not happen,” she said. “I certainly hope it does.”

[From The NY Times]

“…The boys, the brothers, can speak to one another and forgive and forget, then I think there’s some hope that Philip’s death may bring about an end to something that might otherwise have gone on for decades…” These people, my God. And it brings up something I’ve been saying since the very f–king start of the Sussexit: why all of the energy towards “the brothers must reconcile”? Why does that NEED to happen? Sometimes relationships are just toxic, sometimes people need space and time, and sometimes an abusive bully shows his stripes when his favorite victim walks away. William has been throwing a massive tantrum for much of the past 15 months, and even if there could be some resolution of past grievances, it’s been clear for a while that William and Harry don’t want to forgive and forget. What William wants is Harry’s capitulation, and all Harry wants is freedom to live his life.

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  1. Lauren says:

    A months-long feud she calls it, let’s pretend that they haven’t been beefing sin 2017 at least. Reconciliation will happen when Baldingham has a good, long, and hard look at what he, his wife, and his people have done to Harry and Meghan and sincerely apologizes to Meghan, Archie, and Harry. Otherwise, Harry will be keeping him at ocean length until he does.

    • Missskitttin says:

      Then, reconciliation is not going to happen 🤔

      • Lauren says:

        If it happens, I expect it to happen when the Cambridge kids are adults, and Charlotte and Louis will be used to shield George. Maybe when seeing his own kids not talking to each other he will understand why his brother went to live as far as possible away from him and the rest of the klan.

    • Gabby says:

      And that will be the day gold coins come out of his backside.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Probably since summer/fall 2016, when Harry informed staff in early September that Meghan was The One and they’d better start preparing.

    • PEARL GREY says:

      According to Penny Junor, things that aren’t “unforgivable”:

      •Making racist comments towards a baby
      •Cutting off your son’s financial help and security
      •Not answering your son’s calls
      •Refusing a suicidal, pregnant woman’s pleas for urgent medical attention
      •Telling an untrue story about someone making you cry

      Things that are “unforgivable”
      •Talking about the racist comments made towards your baby
      •Talking about being cut off from financial help and security
      •Talking about your father not answering your calls
      •Talking about being refused medical treatment when you were suicidal and pregnant
      •Correcting an untrue story that was told about you

      Right. It’s not unforgivable to abuse, but it is unforgivable if you talk about it. What a lovely message in the era of anti racism/bullying/sex abuse/mental health stigma movements. Protect the perpetrators image, even at the expense of you, the victim, because if you speak out, you’re “trashing” them.

    • Virginia says:

      Out of topic, l was checking the internet and l was so surprised when l saw Argentina, Bolivia, Chile and Peru reporting on the Sussexes Netflix production about Invictus athletes. What a victory! Nothing about the other brother.

    • Moxylady says:

      Look. Let’s just call it. William has narcissistic personality disorder. It’s clear as day and there is no reconciliation to be had with a narcissist. There just isn’t.

    • Bex says:

      Oh, I think the beef goes back to 2016 when William let it be known that he “didn’t support” Harry’s decision to issue a statement calling out the tabloids’ racist articles.

      When the public rightfully wondered why William would side with the tabloids, he hastily issued a statement of support.

    • Identifying 🐀Rota “knee pads” Penny as a “royal historian” is just hitting it out of the ballpark into total fantasyland.

  2. Lookfromallsides says:

    I realize this is a very unpopular opinion with this audience, but, I sort of agree that it was unforgivable (ish). I’m not saying what the family did to them is not unforgivable, but why not just step away and never look back? They have a wonderful, free life now, why go on national television and just totally trash your family in front of millions of people? And, I really don’t think the family sent Philip to the hospital because of the interview, I think the poor man was dying, and they were trying to help him.

    Like I said, just my opinion.

    • Becks1 says:

      Because the family continues to attack them through the press and to allow lies about them to go unchecked. Harry and Meghan had the right to get their story out there, to make it clear why they stepped back from royal duties.

    • Em says:

      How the hell did they trash their family? That was the nicest interview I have ever seen, they obviously had to give an explanation of why they left if not royal reporters would have spent decades rewriting history, the only reason we know what happened to Diana is because of interviews she gave in her own words. They were nice to the queen and Philip and placed blame mostly on the courtiers, the fact that people think the monarchy is a perfect institution that can not be criticized is actually very concerning.

      • Gab says:

        That was the nicest thing you’ve ever seen? I’m not saying they didn’t have a right to speak their minds. But nice is a stretch.
        That said I’ve seen families fight and reconcile. It could happen.

      • Maria says:

        LOL Gab. They literally said things like “Kate is a good person” and “we are talking things through.” Yes, it was nice.

      • Elizabeth says:

        I agree. They did not “totally trash” their family. In fact they made a clear effort to be diplomatic while also truthful and illuminating their choices. Meghan explicitly said that Kate was a good person and she didn’t want them pitted against each other in the press. They went out of their way to protect Harry’s grandparents. They didn’t even allude to Andrew or his pedophile/rape/trafficking issues.

        The monarchy should be under the strictest public scrutiny. It should not be some kind of shield for criminal or unethical or racist/sexist/colonialist acts.

        Painting this interview as some kind of aggressive coup de grace is just not the case. They explained their situation and were open about things such as Meghan’s mental health issue and her need for help, but also open about how the palace refused her help. That is one of their core charities and so it is important for them to be transparent about it. People need help and social stigma hurts people who are struggling with suicidal ideation. Meghan speaking openly about her struggles helped vulnerable people.

        They referred to the question about skin color but specifically did not name the culprit. Harry said he never would. I think it’s important to acknowledge and expose racism wherever it exists. Look at how damaging racism is in our society. Black, biracial, brown, indigenous women deserve safe lives. We must speak out about racism when we encounter it. I don’t have a problem with that. Nor do I see it as unforgivable or trashing the family. It is truth.

      • Purplehazeforever says:

        They didn’t trash their family. I’m not sure they were “nice,” either. Nice would be to refrain from talking about your family on national TV.

    • Lauren says:

      They could never completely step away while the palaces were still briefing the press left and right about the Sussex movements, while so many lies were still being told about Meghan specially and the papers were making money off her pain. Every single person in that godforsaken family has had the chance to say their truth and to set the record straight except for Harry (who for decades has been his brother’s human shield) and Meghan. The Klan trashed them publicly for years and they are just supposed to take it lying down because it’s family? Meghan wanted to kill herself while pregnant, the klan knew, the aides knew, the press knew and they all continued to trash her regardless. That is unforgivable. Keep in mind that the purpose of that interview was to tell the Klan to tread lightly because they have receipts and no more lies will be tolerated.

    • lanne says:

      All lives matter, right?

      How about this: everyone has the right to their own story. You have the right to yours, and I have the right to mine, agreed? Why wouldn’t Meghan and Harry have the right to their own story? Half of the UK think Meghan is a toxic narcissist because of a man whose jealous that more people like his younger brother than him. How is that okay? If you have spent your life building your good name through your words and actions, would it be okay for me to trash your good name in public because I think, perhaps, that you threaten me by your very existence? Would that be okay if I were, say, the Queen of Wakanda? Would you just shuffle back and meekly bow while I trash your name and your character all over the word? I’m a Queen after all.

      I don’t think you would be okay with that. Why should Meghan? Why isn’t she worth the same fairness that you’re worth? Why does Harry have the right to choose his own spouse? He’s a spare, not a slave.

      Meghan has had her name smeared and her character compromised in a way that’s difficult to fathom, and for the most flimsy of reasons. She hasn’t cheated anyone, stolen anything, defrauded anyone. She just married a guy she loved, and his family wished he had chosen someone else.

      • Commonwealthy says:

        This on repeat, all day every day.
        Meghan’s treatment by the royal family and British media is such a case study in toxic whiteness, which hates to be called out for its crimes – descendants from genocide and slavery in America have to get over genocide and slavery without a change to the system and without reparations, former colonized nations have to develop without seeing stolen wealth returned and without fair prices on natural resources which continue to be extracted to developed countries, Black South Africans have to just start over from apartheid as of white South Africans still don’t own 85 of the wealth in the country.

    • Dee says:

      If Bully Bill and Katie Keen (and Cheapo Chuck withdrawing security) had just let them leave amicably, then there would be no need for the interview. Obviously, they were being slandered, and there comes a point when you can’t allow the lies to stand or they may hurt your business prospects. Add in Petty Betty not allowing Harry’s wreath and the needless punishments of taking away his military honors and patronages and you see depths to which they’ll go to trash you in order to hide their faults.

    • Cecilia says:

      What was the trashing? Harry & meghan were very respectful of the queen, philip & even kate. Harry has a right to set the record straight and say he’s been doing it on his own, especially since his fathers camp has been bleeping to the press how he was still providing for harry. Meghan had every right to set the record straight about that “meg made kate cry” story. And truly meghan basically answered you question in that interview. You can’t expect her to stay silent when the “firm” is playing an active role in perpetuating falsehoods about them, PUBLICLY.

    • GuestWho says:

      Your comment about “totally trashing the family” reads like you might have a different agenda than just sharing your opinion. They did no such thing.
      And their life won’t be totally free until billy the basher stops his insane attacks against a woman who fell in love with his brother.

      • Lookfromallsides says:

        I have no agenda, it was just my thoughts. Harry has always been my favorite, and I was so excited when he and Megan got engaged! I was really hoping the fab four thing would BE a thing. I can’t imagine being in the royal family, maybe their is a rulebook?

      • GuestWho says:

        But you’re still going with the narrative that M&H trashed the royal family? They didn’t. End of. They were pretty gracious actually.

        The rule book would consist of this: Don’t outshine the heir and/or his boring wife. If you should do so, you will be destroyed through the “invisible contract” that exists between the RF and the rota. The fab 4 would never have been a thing, because two of the 4 are as far away from fab as you can get.

      • Nyro says:

        Guestwho, exactly. The Fab Four thing was never going to happen when you what you really have is two fabulous people being expected to carry two unimpressive lames on their backs.

    • S808 says:

      What was unforgivable was that they abused that woman on a national level. She had a peaceful, fulfilling life before she moved to that god forsaken country and entered that horrid family. They ruined her reputation and had her contemplating taking her AND her unborn baby’s life. Harry and Meghan didn’t trash them ENOUGH.

      • Dawning says:

        You call speaking their truth trashing? I wish they had named names.
        Maybe they had to so their interview ro warn the W&KMART to call off their tabloid hounds, or the next Oprah sit-down will really tell it all. The Sussexes have their receipts. Don’t mess with them.

      • bamaborn says:

        THANK YOU! It’s always the black person who’s suppose to be super understanding and not show any hurt. Never mind this successful lady’s life has been trashed beyond belief. That group got off pretty easy.

      • Sure says:

        It was on an international level! I live in Australia and the same smears that originate in the UK get pumped out here in the papers, magazines, radio and of course TV. The regurgitation of these smears as fact is so lazy and disgusting but then Australia has always been a racist country.

    • Sid says:

      I thought Meghan explained rather clearly in the interview why she felt she needed to speak up. I would also be curious to know in which parts of the interview they trashed anyone. Talking about people’s harmful behavior towards you isn’t trashing in my book, but that is just me.

      Sitting back comfortably while you and your staff help the press attack your pregnant sister-in-law, or cutting your son off with no notice and leaving him and his family at a security risk seem more “unforgiveable-ish.” But again that is just me.

    • Kalana says:

      Harry and Meghan were being trashed by their family every day in the press with things that weren’t true.

      Telling the truth about how how you were treated is not trashing someone unless that person behaved like trash. Especially racist trash.

      The BRF needs to take accountability for behaving like trash.

    • boyd says:

      The Problem was and still is the BRF 24/7 attacking newsfeed to the UK Tabloids . So 1 Meghan responded just once.. 1 times and she’s crucified.

      The Jews in Warsaw were persecuted, gradually exterminated for several years and then in 1944 they finally fought back. that ONE TIME. The Germans were furious and outraged..

      I saw the images of 16 year old Phillip and King Edward marching with Nazi’s.. I read Prince Phillip’s shocking racist comments. Dismissed as gaffes. talking about unforgiveable..

      • Elizabeth says:

        Exactly. The royal family has been racist for centuries. It’s glossed over when it should be exposed.

        I saw the videos of the queen and her sister making the Nazi salute as children, passed off as a joke or private family matter.

    • Snuffles says:

      In my best Oprah voice:

      “Did they trash the royal family? Or is the royal family just trash?”

      • truthSF says:

        That part Snuffles!👏🏽

        But we know this Lookfromallsides is no fan of Meghan. Just the royal family and Harry, but only when he was under the RF thumb!!

      • Lookfromallsides says:

        I am a fan of Meghan, and was terribly disappointed when her “fairy-tale” didn’t work out.

      • Harper says:

        It wasn’t just a fairy-tale that didn’t work out. Meghan was specifically targeted and her reputation ruined on purpose by William and his wife to keep Will’s family man image intact when he was in fact continuously unfaithful and his family-man image is a lie. The British press gleefully smeared Meghan with daily false headlines about the most insignificant aspects of her life … touching her belly, eating an avocado. Kate joined in by letting false stories about her and Meghan go on without correction. Will and Kate hired an entire commercial jet to fly them to Balmoral just to make Meghan and Harry look bad. They wanted Meghan, the only biracial member of the Royal Family, to go live in “Africa.” If you are a fan of Meghan, you owe it to yourself to go beyond the People magazine surface-level knowledge of what caused Sussexit because it’s not that your opinion that they trashed the family is unpopular, but that your opinion is grossly uninformed.

      • Lookfromallsides says:

        I absolutely believe that Will and Kate were jealous of H & M. I just don’t understand how media that went from loving H & M, suddenly decided to smear them? They were media sweethearts for awhile.

      • L84Tea says:

        That was all covered very clearly in the interview. It was all sunshine for a very short period, until they saw how well she did the job and how much better she did the job than Kate. Stop being obtuse and dancing around what you’re really trying to say here.

      • Tessa says:

        I never really saw the media and social being “nice” and “welcoming” of Meghan.The DM did not seem to like her from the get go and the social media comments or some were horrendous. And these comments started when Harry and Meghan became a couple and were photographed.

      • Tessa says:

        I never really saw the media and social being “nice” and “welcoming” of Meghan.The DM did not seem to like her from the get go and the social media comments or some were horrendous. And these comments started when Harry and Meghan became a couple and were photographed.

      • Lorelei says:

        Snuffles!! 👏😭

        @LookFromAllSides: I never remember them as having been “media sweethearts.” The headlines and stories were nasty from literally the first day it was revealed that Harry was dating Meghan.

        There were times that were worse than others, and there was probably some nice coverage around the wedding, but the Markles started getting airtime pretty quickly, and by no stretch of the imagination was Meghan EVER a British media sweetheart.

    • Myra says:

      Where did they trash the family? Not once did Harry and Meghan say anything bad about the family. Harry and Meghan’s lives are in real danger because of what the family did to them. Even after stepping back, the attacks never stopped. Keeping quiet only served the palace and William. Being open made everyone pay attention to the attacks against Meghan orchestrated by the palace and possibly sending out a warning that they too will have no choice but to retaliate if it continues. So who cares if they never forgive Meghan for speaking out, they should be the one to apologise to her.

    • Amy Bee says:

      @Lookfromallsides: Is this Emily Andrews? The only people who talk about Harry and Meghan trashing the Royal Family is the press and KP.

      Anyway, Harry and Meghan saying that they encountered racism and were neglected by the Royal Family is not trashing them but stating why they decided to leave. If the press and the Palace didn’t like that Harry and Meghan got to state they side of the story after four years of enforced silence then the Royal Family should have done more to protect them and told the media to back off. Plus, let’s not forget days before the interview the Palace released information trashing Meghan.

      • Commonwealthy says:

        All sides is def a royal reporter doubling down even after people have responded more than adequately to their post. You don’t have to comment here, All sides, lurk in peace!

    • goofpuff says:

      Did you watch the interview? They were talking about their experiences and why they decided to leave. They trashed the British Media (who has been trashing them for years) not the family.

    • Jaded says:

      Totally trashed the family? Hardly, they both were the modicum of discretion and understatement, Meghan even stood up for Kate. This was a situation that got so out of hand, so controlling and threatening, that Meghan couldn’t even go out for lunch with friends. She had a newborn and was contemplating suicide while she nursed. That’s what the family was doing to her. Neither she nor Harry did anything to deserve that kind of deliberate sabotage. William and Kate showed their true selves – jealous, vicious and underhanded. I’m surprised the Sussexes didn’t come down harder on them – they showed a great deal of restraint IMHO.

    • Islandgirl says:

      @lookfromallsides….I was also of the opinion that Harry and Meghan should go on with their lives. They say thay living well is the best revenge. However, it became quite clear that the family did not intend to let them live their lives in peace.
      The birth certificate saga showed that they still intended to use any information they had against Harry and specifically Meghan.
      So I believe that the interview was to warn them to stop…to leave Harry and Meghan alone.
      I feel that the family knows that there is a lot more that could have been said.

      • Lookfromallsides says:

        I think this definitely makes sense. And I never understood the whole birth certificate thing, why it was changed.

    • Pamuk says:

      They tried to go away quietly but the palaces kept putting out false stories ie birth certificate and bullying. The sussexes sent warning shots, the RF kept beating them with false stories. Meghan said at the start of the interview, “did the firm think we would continue to stay silent while the leak stories and lies to the media.” Oprah was harry saying back off, leave us alone and we’ll stop talking.

    • Sunnee says:

      The fact that Harry is your favorite and you “wanted a Fab Four” so you’re disappointed reeks of privilege. You feel thwarted in your desires so you wanted them to suck it up? So they were not supposed to speak the truth of why they left? They were to allow the Charles to get away with claiming he financially supports them while in fact placing them in danger? They were to allow Baldy to trash them and piggyback on their ideas? Your “opinion” is not just unpopular it is tone deaf. The press and the family continues to excoriate the couple, even now. . They perpetuate falsehoods and I challenge anyone to consider how they would react if they were in Harry and Megan’s shoes. Given their opportunity I would have named names.

    • Over it says:

      I know it’s your opinion, but I am so tired of this ridiculous narrative. For years now this so call loving family has been throwing Harry and Megs to the wolves. None of them in all their supposedly loving supportiveness did one thing to ask the media to back off and let Harry and Meghan start their lives as newlyweds and new parents. So why is it always on Harry and Megs to be the bigger person. Why can’t the rest of those backstabbing people learn to take responsibility for their actions? Why do people continue to make excuses for the royals because they are royals. Harry and Meghan are humans too and are therefore deserving of respect and love , just like you would want for your children or yourself.

    • notasugarhere says:

      When an obvious troll comments, remember to simply state ‘troll’ and move on rather than giving them oxygen. Makes it easier for Kaiser to remove their trolling posts that way.

      • Lorelei says:

        @Nota I don’t think she’s necessarily a troll, she sounds genuine to me, and has been responsive to other commenters. Most of us don’t share her opinions, but I don’t think that automatically makes her a troll ¯_(ツ)_/¯

      • notasugarhere says:

        To each their own. If I’d been the first person to read their comments, I would have labeled them a troll and moved on. What they’ve subsequently written convinces me they are a troll.

    • Lila says:

      Because the family continues to brief the press against them, because they didn’t want false narratives being spread against them. If it wasn’t for the interview, the general public would continue to think that Charles was bankrolling Harry and Meghan, as Charles’ people were saying to the press. They would continue to think the family was being “supportive” behind the scenes. They would continue to think Meghan is a bitch who made poor Kate cry.

      It’s very easy to say someone should walk away and never look back, but that suggestion fails to consider a bunch of other factors.

    • ElleE says:

      @Lookfromallsides We need differing opinions here, so no worries on that score.

      Harry has a lot of people in his family, right? Cousins, aunts, uncles. He told the world that, when he and his wife were on that unexplained “6 week break” in Canada in 2019, and dozens of women in Britain’s Parliament from across the political spectrum wrote the open letter of support to his wife NOT ONE OF HIS FAMILY MEMBERS THEN NOR SINCE HAS OFFERED ANY SUPPORT.

      One person’s “trashing his family” is another person’s “really f’in interesting”. Here is an excerpt from the letter, to show how easy it would have been for someone to drop Meghan a nice note without disparaging THE QUEEN or THE FIRM:

      “On occasions, stories and headlines have represented an invasion of your privacy and have sought to cast aspersions about your character, without any good reason. Even more concerning still, we are calling out what can only be described as outdated, colonial undertones to some of these stories. As women Members of Parliament from all backgrounds, we stand with you in saying it cannot be allowed to go unchallenged.”
      “we share an understanding of the abuse and intimidation which is now so often used as a means of disparaging women in public office from getting on with our very important work.”

    • Tessa says:

      They continue to be slammed by the media and on social media…

    • swirlmamad says:

      You can stop right there with “went on national TV and trashed their family.” They did nothing of the sort. What they DID do was correct months and months of slander and lies against them. And if you say that if you were in their shoes and would just “let it go” and attempt to live your life amongst the constant hammering and taunting and goading — because that IS what’s been happening, even after they left — and didn’t have the desire to respond and correct the narrative, well forgive me if I do not believe you in the slightest.

    • LaraW” says:

      Your username tells me everything I need to know about you.

  3. Case says:

    “Why does that NEED to happen? Sometimes relationships are just toxic, sometimes people need space and time, and sometimes an abusive bully shows his stripes when his favorite victim walks away.”

    Great comment. I have family members who don’t speak to their siblings or parents and they’re better off for it. I don’t like the “blood is thicker than water” nonsense. No. We’re not all meant to be buddy-buddy with our family members, especially family members who, in Harry’s case, gaslit and backstabbed his wife over and over while she was carrying their child to the point she was scared she was going to kill herself. That’s unforgivable, sorry, and I won’t blame Harry for a second if he never reconciles with those people.

    • molly says:

      Not all siblings are close. Charles seems to hate Andrew. (I do too, but that’s pretty irrelevant.) Is anyone concerned about THAT?? Will THEY reconcile over their dead father? It was reported in 2019 that the two brothers had a “crisis lunch” at Sandringham and Charles read Andrew the “riot act.” The UK press seems fine that those two aren’t close, since that clearly doesn’t sell papers and there’s no one to leak stories about it.

      • Nyro says:

        Andrew is not needed and he’s not the key to holding it all together. They know the monarchy is dead without Harry and Meghan doing all the work, including emotional work, while the lazy and uncharismatic King William and Queen Catherine get the credit.

      • Becks1 says:

        I know we’ve said this before, but the emphasis on how “necessary” Harry is to the future of the monarchy is still so weird to me. Like you said Molly and Nyro – no one talks about how Andrew is “needed.” It just makes me think, while we all have a guess at what William is like behind the scenes, the truth is so much worse.

      • Lorelei says:

        @Becks THIS is exactly what I find so interesting! There is something very, very wrong with William if it’s common knowledge and openly discussed that Harry being “shoulder to shoulder” with William is necessary for him to have a successful reign.
        I’ll try to remember where I saw it, but I read a few days ago that Harry had been expected to be a “support” to William in the same way that Philip was to the Queen. Um, what? Isn’t that Kate’s role?! I hope we have the full story some day.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Becks1, I thought I had replied to this. Anyway, we don’t see this in other royal families.

        Denmark – I’m no fan of Fred, but Joachim isn’t some great star and is seen as stuck up

        Spain – Felipe over either of his sisters anyday

        Norway – Heir is good, spare is increasingly goofy and was never considered more desirable to the monarchy than the heir

        Netherlands – Second son was beloved, but no one wanted him to be heir over Willem-Alexander and charisma machine Maxima

        Sweden – Heir is wonderful, spare is a laughingstock, youngest (Madeleine) has plenty of charisma but has taken herself to another country to live

        Japan – Don’t get me started on horrible back-stabbing younger brother and his horrible wife

    • Commonwealthy says:

      @Becks – I think Harry is needed for William to have a monarchy to reign over. The British media is saying “we need someone to talk shit about for our survival, it can be Harry and his family, with William and his family as the perfect never-put-a-step-wrong foil, or it can be William himself (and we don’t even have to lie – between laziness and infidelity there’s plenty to work with). But we absolutely will be maligning someone. So who’s it gonna be, royal family? Choose your scapegoat.” Without Harry, the media will reveal all William’s secrets, which will bring down the monarchy before George can be seen as the new hope, the way William is/was to Charles.

  4. Sinéad says:

    I can’t wait until one of their productions is up for an Oscar and they turn up on the red carpet (2022 please) Will will go f-ing spare

  5. Becks1 says:

    It’s kind of like what Meghan said in the interview, right? When she said that she didnt know how the Firm could expect her to remain silent while they continued to brief against her in the press? I don’t know how anyone can expect Harry to “forgive and forget” when William has not changed his behavior and is still actively attacking Harry and Meghan in the press on a regular basis.

    And like Kaiser said, I think the main issue for William is that he wants control of Harry and he is never going to have that – and I don’t think he can get over that.

    • Rapunzel says:

      Exactly. Will needs to shut up for any reconciliation– genuine or surface level– to happen. And he won’t.

    • Cecilia says:

      Exactly. Like i said so many times that interview was a warning shot. Meghan and harry are done being silent while the press and the royal family continually lies on their name. And the collective amnesia of these Royal reporters is truly staggering. Acting like the rift started after the oprah interview.

    • Myra says:

      Exactly. Leaks after leaks about Meghan, even up to the days before the interview with the trumped up bullying accusation, the earrings revelation and smear related to UN Women. It was obvious that the palace was willing to throw anything and everything at Meghan to discredit her. And now they are acting as if they have the moral high ground here.

    • Gabby says:

      Prince Livid needs a big distraction…something that consumes all his attention so that there is simply no room in his brain to think about Harry. Then they will both be free from each other.

      • Nyro says:

        Controlling and abusing Harry has been William’s lifeblood since their mother died. He simply can’t believe that his first and most important victim actually got away from him. He has no life. He’s not into his wife, doesn’t care that much about being a dad, cuts ribbons for a living, has no real hobbies other than shifting pigeons a few times a year, etc. William’s got nothing going on for himself. He is damaged beyond repair at this point and the only way to stop him is for the family to come together and expose him. That’s never going to happen though.

      • notasugarhere says:

        It started before then, Nyro, with the nannies treatment of William vs. Harry, and William taking full advantage of his position as future heir.

  6. Snuffles says:

    I expect a reconciliation between Harry and Charles long before William.

    But let’s define “reconciliation”. What does that entail? Harry returning to the fold? Give the RRs access again. I’m sure that is the RRs and The Firm’s definition. Or is it, let’s stop beefing publicly and leaking to the press, and let each other live their lives as they please and occasionally see each other, be polite and civil and treat each other with respect. I think that is Harry’s definition.

    I think in the coming years the MOST The Firm will get from the Sussex’s is tolerance.

    I will put my predictions for the rest of 2021.

    Charles and Camilla to visit Harry and Meghan in California after the baby is born.

    Harry visiting the Queen for Christmas. And MAYBE Meghan and the kids, depending on if the rhetoric dies down.

    • Becks1 says:

      That’s a good point – for the Firm, reconciliation means that Harry stops pushing back in the press, that Harry…what, returns to the UK? That’s not happening. For Harry, I think it means to stop the lies in the press (and to tell people like Dan Wootton to stand down), so that he doesnt need to “push back” – and to just be civil and respectful of each other. Harry and William’s lives were never going to be the same bc William is a future monarch. So William needs to get over the fact that Harry’s life is about Harry and his wife and kids and not about William and if he can, I think they’ll be able to reach a point of civility so that they can see each other once or twice a year without drama (even if they are never close again).

      I do expect Charles to visit them in California at some point, not sure about Camilla because that is a long flight for her.

      • notasugarhere says:

        We might see Camilla if it also involves a tour to Canada or an official State Visit to the U.S.

        It could be presented as taking a short holiday while already in North America for work.

      • Tessa says:

        I don’t think Camilla will go. It would be better if only Charles went so he and Harry could have private conversations.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Harry doesn’t hate Camilla, as much as some people apparently want him too. If Charles goes on an extended tour of Canada plus a visit to D.C. and sidetrip to California? Camilla would be with him.

      • Tessa says:

        William is the problem, not Camilla. There’ little Camilla can do. Charles needs a one on one appointment with Harry and not for a few minutes maybe DAYS and without WIlliam hovering around. Not that I think it will do any good but at least there can be an attempt. Somehow I don’t see Charles flying to California to visit. There is something odd that he is afraid to “offend” William

      • notasugarhere says:

        More likely it would start (or is starting) with short videos calls with Archie and Charles, like they described having with the Queen and Philip. Ease in to that being a positive relationship (Charles and Archie) and moving forward from there.

    • Liz version 700 says:

      That is a fantastic point. Harry is never going back now. He knows just how successful and free he can be, why would he step back into the mess his family constantly is? They can’t even control themselves for a week with a funeral looming. But, eventually Harry and Meghan may be able to see Charles once or twice a year away from the press if he can behave himself. I suspect William will always be in “space.”

    • Commonwealthy says:

      Great point snuffles. Even the definition of a reconciliation is probably different between them. And, given that a reconciliation in the eyes of royal reporters includes them (not so invisible contract), why would Harry agree given all he has sacrificed to get away from the royal reporters? Now that I think of it, the royal reporters will never allow the royal family to reconcile with Harry and Meghan without either getting access to Harry and Meghan again, or getting leaks about Harry and Meghan. If royal family leaks, Meghan and Harry are in the same place they are now. Why would they do that?

  7. The Duchess says:

    When are they going to let this fantasy go? It’s not going to happen, stop trying to make it happen!

    • Dee says:

      Will can’t make his fantasy (Harry doing the work, Will taking credit) so he continues to mewl and stomp and seethe.

    • Heat says:

      I wouldn’t call it fantasy, per se. It would be nice to hear that Harry & Meghan’s mistreatment is acknowledged by The Firm…especially William…and rectified.
      It’s true that certain words and actions can’t be undone, but the Royal Family actually has an opportunity to right these wrongs. If they were smart, they would realize that the only way the monarchy can be redeemed would be to issue a very public mea culpa.
      Okay…maybe it is fantasy.

  8. Christa says:

    I have been really disappointed with the NYTimes as of late. I read that the newsroom is very divided between the wokies and the less woke set. Also, feel like slowly over the last decade they have been trimming their budget and important parts of their organization are getting left behind and that makes them less nimble in response to news stories. Penny Juror is not up to the old standard, that’s for sure. And that whole firing of the reporter who repeated a slur uttered to him in disbelief is if to confirm that is what was really meant is/was BS, IMO.

    • Jais says:

      Same. Really disappointed as in F- the NYT. Why are they just regurgitating the BM’s stale storylines. There’s a real opportunity for some fresh takes on the royal drama in the American mainstream media and I feel like they are just punting it.

    • Elizabeth says:

      Printing Tom Cotton’s racist opinion piece without benefit of an editor even glancing at it showed how far the Times has fallen. Really gross.

  9. Rapunzel says:

    Said this yesterday and will say it again:

    If I was the BRF right now, I’d give Harry everything he wants. And gag Will.

    After the funeral, issue a statement that the death of Philip has left a hole and the whole family wants to apologize to Meg and Harry for not giving them enough support and for any racism they experienced. Say the whole family wants and is working to do better with respect to race issues and they hope that Meg and Harry accept their apology. Then announce that William and Harry have used the time of mourning to patch things up, with William admitting he made insensitive racial remarks (color of Archie) but that he didn’t mean to hurt, and he knows better now and that with the statue unveilI have coming up, he’s eager to embrace his brother and his brother’s wife, who both exemplify Diana’s goodness. Let Kate admit that the crying story happened like Meg said and she is sorry it was never corrected. Have the family say that due to their work with mental health charities, they should have been more attentive to Meg’s mental health and that they are sorry she was not given proper care by them when she was suicidal. Say the Oprah interview was the Sussexes speaking their truth, and the family listened to it and respects it.

    Then, say Harry and Meg will return to part-time duties, but with their own income stream and no royal rota presence at any of their events because the rota caused too many problems. Announce that Harry and Meg will base in Montecito most of the year but return for various periods to do their work in the UK. Let them be half in and half out.

    Agree to do all this. Even if there is no real reconciliation between the brothers, you can just have the Sussexes not appear with the Cambridges.

    Then shut Will up and keep him shut.

    Not sure this would be good for Harry, but if you’re the RF, then this should be your plan. But it won’t be, even if Harry would agree. Instead, we’ll get more stories of how Harry wouldn’t apologize and William is incandescent.

    These folks are so bad at PR. This could’ve been played for gold.

    • TeamMeg says:


      I wish the BRF could see this—not only see it but DO it!

    • Nina says:

      Never going to happen. You’re thinking like a person who has to deal with the everyday frictions of being a member of the public. To the RF the public exists for their benefit, they never have to explain their actions or accommodate public opinion.
      That was why they were incapable of comprehending the public’s reactions to their coldness when Diana died. It took Tony Blair to go and explain the facts of life to them, then they made William and Harry walk behind their mother’s coffin to please the public. Who in their right minds do that to children.

  10. boyd says:

    This was the Headline about the RF in Jordan after 1 week of Buzz:
    Jordan’s king breaks silence, says family rift “nipped in the bud”.

    That should have been the BRF’s response YEARS AGO.. They made a mess of this.

    • Em says:

      They’re puppets in the longest running soap opera, they have to keep the drama going to make people interested in them

    • Amy Bee says:

      @boyd: Hmm…I think the Jordanian Royal Family is a bit more authoritarian than the British one. That’s why they squabble can be nipped in the bud so quickly. That being said, all Royal Families are bad and should be abolished.

    • Katherine says:

      I… don’t think I would compare to Jordan. It’s an autocratic king. Nipped in the bud there means threatening to kill. With the serious ability to. Not just squabbling in the press.

    • Elizabeth says:

      Jordan has a royal dictator, an omnipotent autocrat. He nips rifts in the bud with torture and imprisonment and threat of murder.

      The English royals are leftover figureheads in a democracy. They used to torture, imprison, and kill their enemies but no longer have that power.

  11. Em says:

    I honestly feel Harry should never reconcile with his brother again, William hates him and it will never change, they’re adults with kids now, they can just be formal with each other but that brotherly bond has been shattered forever and if Harry let’s William back into his life and business he will actually regret it. They can put a show for the public but they should literally never reconcile

    • Gabby says:

      I agree, and feel that any “reconciliation” will come at H&M’s expense.

    • Harper says:

      William would have to be seriously, soul-searchingly humbled to give any kind of apology that could repair what’s been done to Meghan. And, from the looks of the statement he issued just yesterday, he ain’t there yet. I have no idea what kind of personal earthquake could result in significant enough development of William’s character for any kind of reconciliation. And, an apology would have to include Kate, as well, who participated in the damage. Both the FFK and Q would not only have to understand what damage they did but why they did it. And to admit they are jealous? No way. Remember when Kate had to be photographed in that blue coat outside a book store a few days after the iconic Meghan and Harry under the umbrella shot? Their jealousy is a knee-jerk reaction and deeply ingrained.

      • notasugarhere says:

        And include Carole, the Middletons, Uncle Gary – all of their leaking, open anti-Meghan interviews and statements, and colluding with the tabloids.

  12. Phoenix says:

    Nope, not happening.
    Yesterday’s statement of Bulliam is the latest proof that there is no upcoming reconciliation

  13. Merricat says:

    This fantasy, my god. Harry lost a baby and almost lost his wife. He is not the one who needs to be forgiven.

  14. Amy Bee says:

    The press and the courtiers are desperate for reconciliation because they know that without Harry, it becomes very difficult to convince the public that they need a Royal Family. I think Harry has already told the Palace that he will not be returning to the UK in July for the statue unveiling so this funeral is being used by the press and Palace as a chance to get Harry and William to reconcile. I don’t think it will work.

    • Cecilia says:

      I don’t think the UK press pack realizes that even if the brothers reconcile (and is a big if) they still won’t be getting any acces to harry, their babies, and especially not meghan. And he won’t come back to the royal fold. The only way the latter would happen is if queenie decides she’s had enough and boots willy out of the line of succession. But since william would literally have to commit an act of treason, that’s not happening.

      • Amy Bee says:

        @Cecilia: I agree. Harry’s definitely returning to royal fold which means that there will never be a reconciliation as the press wants.

      • Nyro says:

        This. And it’s clear that in William’s mind, according to that gross Dan Wootton open letter, Harry returning without his wife and children is still what he wants and expects. William really does believe that. Meghan, the babies, the new career, etc. is just “stuff” that Harry had to get out of his system. The man is an abusive prick and this never going to end for Harry. If he wants to make peace and have a relationship with his father but not William, that’s his business. William is truly an f’d up human being. He really is.

    • TheOriginalMia says:

      Phillip’s funeral gives Harry the perfect opportunity to visit his mother’s grave, see the statue in the artist’s workshop and bounce. There’s no need for him to return in July. William’s behavior has shown Harry he is right to keep his distance. William isn’t going to suddenly act right in July. This is who William has always been. Harry is done.

      • notasugarhere says:

        I like that idea, Harry visiting the artist privately to see the commission and thank them for their work.

  15. Pétulia says:

    These people are setting up the narrative that William did everything he could to patch up things with his brother and Harry refused.
    At this point W and H will never be close again. This ship has sailed and I suspect it sailed the minute William raised concerned over his baby colour. All Harry want now is William to stop these attacks on Meghan through the media.
    But even if William start acting right, the attacks on Harry and Meghan won’t stop I hope everyone knows that.

    • S808 says:

      While I think it would die down, I agree it wouldn’t stop. The press themselves are pissed that H&M escaped and severely cut the money they could’ve made off of them. They all seem to have personal vendettas against the Sussexes. So yeah it’d never truly stop.

    • Cecilia says:

      If they are setting up that narrative harry’s spokesperson could easily come out and deny that thd brothers spoke outside of the funeral and its arrangements. That’s the beauty of stepping back. They have every room to set the record straight. I just hope harry would take that opportunity

      • HeatherC says:

        I would love it if Harry’s spokesperson would say “His recollection obviously varies from Harry’s.”

  16. Rapunzel says:

    “Why does that NEED to happen? Sometimes relationships are just toxic, sometimes people need space and time, and sometimes an abusive bully shows his stripes when his favorite victim walks away.”

    It needs to happen because it’s the rift between the brothers that started everything and is keeping everything alive. I think this is a tacit way for the BM to admit that Wills is behind the smears.

    But also: $$$$$$
    There needs to be a reconciliation so the BM can make $$$$$$$$

    • aquarius64 says:

      Agreed. The BM wants a reconciliation so Billy the Bully and his minions can still inform on the Sussexes.

  17. ArtHistorian says:

    Why does this Junor woman keep referring to the two princes as “boys”? They are both grown men approaching middle age!! I honestly think that the way some royal “experts” repeatedly infantilizes both men is really weird – but it is because they feel some kind of ownership about Diana’s “boys” who lost their mother so tragically and young. Commenters like Junor and Leevin et al. seem to be too emotionally invested in these people to look at things in a neutral manner.They keep harping on the need for Harry and William to reconcile because they themselves, for some twisted reason, need the princes to reconcile to reinstate some rosy image they have of Diana’s boys shoulder-to-shoulder.

    • Tessa says:

      Ironically, Junor uses most of her books to include Diana slamming.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Junor and Nicholl strike me as very similar. Somehow in their twisted minds, they think if they slam a woman enough, the royal will wise up marry them (the reporter) instead. Honestly, I think Junor wanted to be Charles’s second wife and Nicholl thought Harry would fall for her some random night at a club.

  18. gm says:

    I told my child, in grade school, he should live and speak his truth as he chooses, and understand others may not want to listen, may disagree or not care.
    Secondly the whole system of monarchy is flawed at the core, winner take all except, winner is decided by birth, not by merit. Look at Jordan, also rans are often problematic, the BRF should be grateful H isn’t sticking around trying to show up his brother and criticizing him. This works out better for them, he is far away doing his own thing.
    I don’t get how short sighted and blind they are with their approach. I think they are desperately trying to stay the same and it is not working. Plus the also rans are going to be adults in 20 years and they don’t think Charlotte and Louis aren’t going to cause issues? Seeing their brother be heir to billions, let alone have tens of millions coming in every year from the duchy coffers, while they may have ” affluent” lives but no real money of their own (Andy couldn’t pay off his Swiss chalet, Harry has a mortgage, Zara and her brother).

    • Tessa says:

      There are a lot of signs that George as a child is already being treated more special. Even only showing George with Prince Philip even though Philip obviously spent time also with Charlotte and Louis.

      • notasugarhere says:

        I doubt Philip spent much time with the kids, especially as W&K have been hiding from the other royals for years. That one pic with George is from five years ago.

  19. S808 says:

    BM just don’t want to be stuck writing about the Cambridges 10 years from now. They helped abuse Meghan to the point that Harry had to get her and Archie out of there and now American media is getting all the exclusives. They want a reconciliation for $$$$ and to not be stuck with the boring ass Cambridges who they already have on a leash.

  20. MaryContrary says:

    Penny Juror needs to stfu. That woman has one agenda: prop up Charles at all costs. She trashed Diana for years, and now she is all about slamming Meghan and Harry by extension.

  21. goofpuff says:

    At this point, it’s obvious that the people who think that victims should always go back to their abusers because “family” are trash themselves. From my experience, those kinds of people are usually abusers or enablers of abusers themselves.

  22. TheOriginalMia says:

    There will be no reconciliation. As I said yesterday, reconciliation to William is Harry’s subjugation to him. That’s not going to happen.

    Junor’s insistence on Harry reconciling with William is ridiculous. Why is it necessary? What has William done to merge the gap between the brothers? This distance didn’t just start a month ago. It didn’t start a year ago. It isn’t Meghan’s fault William & Harry are at odds. She’s the easy target and impetus. Their issues go back years because William had repeatedly used Harry as a shield. These stories are frustrating because they never call William out. He’s the saint putting up with his impetuous, high strung, younger brother, who just needs guidance. Instead of portraying William as a coddled, incurious asshole, who spent years abusing a woman who did absolutely nothing to him and his wife. Other than show them up and prove it just takes caring about your work and being appreciative for the opportunities that have been given to them. William is lazy and takes complete advantage of his younger brother. That is not the basis/foundation for a healthy relationship.

  23. equality says:

    “It’s going to go one way or the other.” That’s some cutting-edge journalism there. Brilliant.

  24. Oh says:

    Sorry, but some people here live in a delusional universe or what?? Charles and Camilla visit Harry and Meghan in California after the baby girl is born?? What is this bullshit! Do people still think Charles loves his son? He never defended Harry even before Meghan .He is a despicable and cowardly father.

    • Amy Bee says:

      The Charles stans still believe he’s an honourable man and that he will do the right thing in the end. Diana is proof that he’s not and that he won’t. The story is that Diana didn’t want Royal protection but given what Charles did to Harry, I’m starting to believe that Charles pulled her security from her after the divorce.

      • Tessa says:

        Even if Charles had a falling out with Harry, his pulling security impacts the security of his own grandchild and his future granddaughter.

    • Becks1 says:

      I mean, we all heard Harry say that he was working on his relationship with his father. No one is saying that Charles is hopping on a flight next week to go to California. But its clear that he has not cut ties with his father, as much as people may want him to, so its entirely within the realm of possibility that they repair their relationship as much as possible and that Charles visits him in CA.

      I think the idea that Harry and his father have no relationship in the future is delusional, since we HEARD HIM SAY that they were working on it.

      • notasugarhere says:

        This. Harry made it clear the door is open to a relationship with Charles, that he (Harry) wants that relationship repaired.

        The comment about William was telling, about needing space. To me that indicated that relationship is over until William does some serious soul searching. That and watching the closeup on Meghan’s expression while Harry was talking about William. Yowza.

      • Carmen-JamRock says:

        H said he WILL work on his relationship with charlie boy. Future. Tense.
        Its not happening now. Right now, all thats happening is that civility is being maintained, for public consumption and importantly, H&M will always be civil and courteous to the members of the Family, as they seek to protect their children’s heritage.

        With phillip’s death, the entire brf is giving the appearance of a united-in-grief front. H will play his part in that.

        I believe he will stay in the uk until after betty’s birthday on April 21 and then he’ll hop on the private jet that took him to the uk and head on home to his family.

        And he wont be returning for the statue unveiling.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Simple point being, he welcomes repairing the relationship with his father. The door is closed on a relationship with William. As we’ve seen, Charles got the message, as he’s not briefing against the Sussexes while William continues to spin out of control publicly.

        I don’t see Harry spending 10 extra days hanging around Frogmore Cottage just to say, Happy Birthday Ma’am. He’d want to get home to his family.

    • Tessa says:

      I doubt Charles will go to see Harry. I don’t see any chance of Camilla traveling there.

      • Christa says:

        NOTASUGARHERE is want see a GIF/MEME of Megan’s face at that part of the interview. It would be so epic!

  25. Over it says:

    Someone needs to copy and paste Kaiser article to the nyt. They are so not getting the real issues. I am always disappointed when real news media takes the twisted vile views of the racist British media. The same people who were helping to send Meghan to an early grave so that Harry could return to them and be his brother whipping boy

  26. notasugarhere says:

    ‘a reconciliation over their dead grandfather’

    Junor is so crass. Not ‘a reconciliation at their late grandfather’s funeral’ merely ‘a reconciliation over their DEAD grandfather’. So tacky.

  27. Tessa says:

    Junor really needs to stay out of it, she slammed William and Harry’s mother in her books.

  28. Andrew’s Nemesis says:

    Reconciliation over the ‘dead grandfather’? How unutterably crass and vulgar the Junor woman is.

  29. Izzy says:

    Petty Junor can sit all the way down now.

  30. Pocket Litter says:

    The NYT hasn’t been ‘the NYT’ for years. The ownership changed years ago. It’s no longer “the paper of record” in the States or around the world. It still has its bright spots, but Junor isn’t one. Shame, really. It was once a grand old dame.

  31. LRobb says:

    these people are deluded. there was neglect , bias and co.icity with abuse that members of rf engaged in against the sussexes and until they admit that, apologize sincerely, and make substantive changes to their relationship with them, forgiveness in a general sense may be possible but true reconciliation is not.

  32. A says:

    I mean, it depends heavily doesn’t it, on what “reconciliation” means exactly. I can see them all setting aside their differences and uniting in their grief to remember someone who was a part of their family. But a reconciliation? I don’t think so. That requires some degree of forgiveness, and forgiveness is earned, not given freely on account of your shared grief as a family.

    I can see Charles possibly repairing some aspects of the relationship with Harry, but privately. I don’t see this happening with William. William is too invested, at this point, not w/ the press exactly, but with making himself look good, and is probably convinced that he didn’t do anything wrong. You can’t reconcile with that. I can see Harry just going along to get along for the most part, but I don’t see a genuine sense of forgiveness for William at any point in time, unless William actually owns up to his sh-t and matures a great deal, which I don’t see happening.

  33. Agreatreckoning says:

    They didn’t trash the family Lookfromallsides. The British Media/tabloids were the ones being ‘trashed’. It does seem odd to start off with “I realize this will be an unpopular opinion with THIS audience.”. Why the need for that? It doesn’t sound much different than, ya know, when Meghan was referred to as ‘THAT girl”.

    Did they speak of difficulties within the family/firm/sytem-yes……but I’m pretty sure they held back with great fortitude. They did try to go away quietly and live their own life. Unfortunately, the British Media and leakers just couldn’t quit themselves from letting them leave quietly. Thus the interview.

    It seems to a lot of people globally that the British Media and certain members of the RF are more concerned with appearing right with the continuous negative stories than actually doing the right thing-which is leaving Harry & Meghan to live in peace and being good with their successes outside of the monarchy. And stop talking about them.

    A lot would be resolved if a certain future future king Other Brother(and wife) owned up to being leaky arrogant rascist @sshats. Now that would be a true fairy tale ending.

  34. Well Wisher says:

    There is so much fear surrounding this situation and it is not from Harry. He would be fine as long as he keep the boundaries firmly in place. He acknowledged his priorities in terms of work and family based on mutal respect and regard. He has been liberated from all toxic relationships and would need to be consciously aware of old unnecessary habits and ways of being.
    The future monarch in the meanwhile..