Royal commentator/biographer Katie Nicholl has given an interview to Entertainment Tonight about the Sussexes and the Cambridges and where things stand now that Harry’s first trip back is done and dusted. Nicholl even references Omid Scobie’s reporting in Harper’s Bazaar on Wednesday, which was clearly drawn from Sussex-sources. The most important thing from Nicholl’s interview is that clearly, at this point, even royal commentators are trying to dial down the expectations. They were crazy last week, trying to convince people that Harry and William’s funeral reunion was make-or-break. When really, it was just two brothers who dislike each other briefly coming back together to bury their grandfather. Some highlights:
The Fab Four isn’t getting back together: “I think the idea of seeing this reprisal of the Fab Four — Harry and Meghan, William and Kate — is really so far down the future. It’s almost quite hard to even envision it at the moment. So much has happened. There is so much hurt on either side.”
Charles gets credit for putting Harry & William together: “It is safe to say there were meetings with family members and certainly Prince Harry did have some time with his grandmother, the queen, before he went back to L.A.. It was Prince Charles’ idea to get the boys together after the wake. There really wasn’t any other time as Prince Harry was in self-isolation for the days leading up to the funeral for them to get together.” Nicoll says the three men walked around the grounds of Windsor Castle, adhering to COVID-19 regulations. “I think it was quite an important meeting and, as I said, it was Charles’ suggestion. William was also there, and Harry was also happy to go along with that. And that really was the first time that the three of them, father and sons, were able to come together and have a private, informal meeting.”
Harry & William disagree, fundamentally: Nicholl, meanwhile, suggests that things between the family are “not going to be resolved in one or two family meetings,” adding that while this has been an important step, “I think there’s still quite a way to go. The idea that Harry’s suddenly going to come around to William’s way of thinking, and vice versa, I think is a way off. I think there do need to be more conversations, there’s clearly still a lot of hurt, a lot of resentment, and a degree of mistrust on both parts. It’s early days, but I think the hope is that come July — when we are hoping to see the brothers stand once again shoulder by shoulder to unveil the statue in memory of their mother [Princess Diana] — that the relationship will be stronger and in a better place.”
The Keen Peacemaker: “I think Kate played a big part in getting William and Harry talking. You could see when she went to speak to Harry after the funeral he visibly relaxed, his shoulders dropped, he just looked relieved to be included, because I think up until that point, he felt very much like he was getting the cold shoulder from most of his royal relatives. Kate’s really gone out of her way to be a peacemaker and to help the brothers get back on track.”
No leaking: While this reunion may be a “significant start,” Nicholl believes the conversations between Harry and his family “will continue productively, and crucially not be leaked to the media.”
“There is so much hurt on either side.” Lolz. Funny that Nicholl can’t be more explicit. Meghan and Harry are hurt because William and Kate weaponized the British media against them and racially abused Meghan and wanted to exile M&H. William and Kate are hurt because… Harry and Meghan are hot, happy, cosmopolitan, free, rich, successful, charismatic and hard-working.
“The idea that Harry’s suddenly going to come around to William’s way of thinking, and vice versa, I think is a way off…” They keep hoping that Harry will dump his wife and children and come running back, begging for forgiveness and promising to do whatever Baldemort wants.
Photos courtesy of Avalon Red, Backgrid.
It’s time to stop referring to royal “reporters” as journalists reporting news or even gossip.
They are middle aged/elderly twilight teens writing fan fiction.
They’re the writers’ room for a soap opera—East Enders with more expensive costumes and sets.
That would mean that actually have the talent for what they do.
exactly…amazing how their articles about top cea/assistant is never about her WORK….never!
What work?
Wholeheartedly agree and would add that referring to these gossip columnists as “journalists” is an utter insult to real journalists.
Their pr strategy is hilarious isn’t it?
Hilarious and pathetic, especially when they keep using the same non credible and lying rota rats. We know what we saw and read for years. The leaks, briefings, lies with huge helpings of racism is their modus operandus. The Sussexes are well out of that cesspool of hate.
@ER The most ridiculous suggestion is that Harry, a man whose wife was abused by Kate not only before the wedding but, after Meghan revealed what really happened, doubled down and briefed the tabs every day on her ‘revenge’, would accept any attempts at peacemaking from her. The narrative coming from Lazy-in-Waiting’s court is unhinged.
It’s insane. A “reprisal of the Fab Four?” Is she serious??
Also, I find it creepy that they’re obsessed with the brothers being “shoulder to shoulder” — maybe it’s a common British expression? But their fixation on it s bizarre to me. These are grown men ffs.
This is a common expression in the US, at least, and it is used in describing adults who are in agreement/working toward the same goal.
What I find curious is that Katie Nicholl hasn’t had any exclusives from camp Middleton in a good while. The Middletons are blabbing to CT right now and not to Nicholl. I wonder what she did to them that they shut down coms. All of her articles have been full of speculation from stuff already known or a rehashing of known stuff.
As we’ve seen with William and Bradby, the Keens don’t like it when a reporter is even in their coverage of the couples. Nicholls is trying to straddle the fence; she wants to report on the Cambridges and seem like a Sussex source too. H&M get the most clicks anyway. The Keens going to Camilla might be a way to signal Nicholls to back off on being “nice” to the Sussexes? Camilla is willing to blow up her credibility for W&K, so this weeks articles might be a reward for her.
However, if I was Nicholls I would continue reporting on the Sussexes. She isn’t getting invited to Entertainment Tonight to talk about the Cambridges. The RRs know where the money is, it’s why they are upset about American outlets getting H&M exclusives.
Nicholls wants the American $$$$$ for reporting/being the TV “go-to”.
Yeah, Harry is never going to come around to William’s way of thinking because William thinks that Harry should be his eternal scapegoat, and that he should be honored to have his family thrown under the bus for the rest of time, in order to protect William and his family. Harry’s never going to think that so it seems the brothers are never going to reconcile, unless William changes his thinking and…..I doubt that.
Also again LOL at these reporters still being so salty over Harry talking to Gayle – “continue productively and crucially not be leaked to the media.” then maybe the royal family should stop leaking. My guess is that is, right now, the biggest thing Harry wants from them – just stop maligning us in the press. Just stop. We can tell when they have a story from the palace, so just stop it.
It makes me CRAZY that these coconuts ignore the torrent of leaks coming from the palaces and jump up indignantly whenever Harry or Meghan go *on the record* with the truth. And, no, Harry and William will never see eye to eye, but there may come a day they can tolerate each other enough to be in the same space without glaring at each other.
They’re still mad that one word from Harry to an American outlet can overshadow and shut down their bullsh*t from across the aisle. Once Harry corrected the record with Gayle about the unproductive phone call, nobody gave a damn about what was said by Cain. They need to stop acting like Harry has to play by the royal game anymore. If they wanted that, they should accepted the half in, half out compromise. Harry doesn’t have to sit on his hands and allow the BM and the RF to spin their fan fiction. He isn’t going to stay quiet to benefit them.
Why are they so desperate to make kate the peacemaker? I truly don’t get it. These are 2 grown men who can resolve their own issues if they want to. And harry looked anything but relaxed outside of that church but whatever katie “liar” nichols
Because the Oprah interview exposed Kate as a stone-cold mean girl re: the wedding fitting tears. That must have hit close to home. An innocent person would have shrugged it off.
Actually, the Oprah interview made Kate seem sympathetic. Meghan called her “a good person”, and implied the reason Kate hadn’t corrected the media’s take on the crying story was because she too was subject to some of the same factors re: communication that Meghan was.
As so many here said at the time, Kate and her people should have left it at that. But by continuing to belabor the point that Kate’s version of the story was the correct one, and implying Meghan was either lying or had shut the door in Kate’s face, Kate stupidly exposed herself once again as the truly mean girl she really is.
Notice the part about Meghan saying Kate was a good person has disappeared from all these articles. It’s interesting, because that would have been something that could have been worked into the peacemaker narrative. (Obviously I don’t think Kate’s out for anything other than herself at any point in time, but it seems like an obvious thread to use.)
Even if kate was the one to cry she would still be a b#tch because what woman goes to another womans bridesmaid fitting and throws a temper tantrum to the point of crying? It wasn’t kates day, ergo it wasn’t her place to make demands in the first place. If meghan set her straight and kate ended up crying because of that, thats on kate.
Btw, i fully believe meghan when she said the story was reversed. But this is just my analysis if we were to go with kates version.
Well, for one thing, we don’t know Kate threw a temper tantrum, etc. Am going by what Meghan actually said, which was, it was Kate who cried, and yes the issue was over the bridesmaid’s fittings. Kate then did what Meghan herself would have done, sent a note of apology, flowers. Details (like a temper tantrum) not mentioned by Meghan are possibly BM embroidery to the reversed tears story they published, to make Meghan look even worse.
But, supposing there was a big outburst, Meghan also said, Kate had “things going on”. Again, this was discussed here at length after the interview aired. People pointed out first, Kate was only a few weeks postpartum with Louis and likely emotional; barely four weeks, as his birthday is today, and Harry and Meghan were married 5/19. Others mentioned the brewing behind the scenes story of Will and Rose. Only yesterday, there was an extensive discussion about the possible timeline for a likely three year relationship between those two, when Kate might have found out about it, whether Louis was a make up baby for that, or for Will’s prior dad dancing.
My own take is, Meghan knew Kate’s crying was about more than being postpartum; she had compassion for the (unspecified) situation Kate was in, and hence, said Kate was a good person, and made it clear she didn’t hold it against her.
YMMV, but I’m not the only one here who thought Meghan made Kate seem a sympathetic figure. Kate’s best move would have been to say nothing. The bi*ch part is, she was clearly unable to accept this act of graciousness by Meghan, and continues to beat this dead horse more than six weeks later.
@windyriver. Meghan said that SHE was the one that cried. As in kate said something about the bridesmaids dresses and it made meghan cry.
@Cecilia, of course you’re right, it was Meghan who cried – I did know that, that Kate had made Meghan cry, not the reverse as was widely reported, but that at least the issue, bridesmaid’s dresses, was correct. Not sure why those sentences came out the opposite way, (early morning brain fart?) as my points are written from the perspective that it was definitely Kate who was in the wrong. But with that mistake it’s all probably confusing.
Thank for pointing it out.
It didn’t make Kate seem sympathetic to me. It make it look like Meghan was trying to be extra nice, throwing that bit about ‘good person’ in to try to get the Kate stans off her back. Later in the interview she leaned in to the idea that ‘they’d lie to protect others, but not tell the truth to protect her’. IMO that was pointed at Kate as well as courtiers. She knows Kate and her family are not innocent here; she was simply trying to get the truth out there and move on, without causing the Kate stans to go ballistic.
Meghan was nicer to Kate than she deserved. She might have made the original reason seem like Kate was acting out because of post partum and the cheating for which she apologized, but Kate’s failure to correct the false story was left out there. And almost 2 years later it’s obvious that Kate is a stone cold bitch because she doubled down on the denial even after the suicidal ideation was made public.
@Nic919, no question Meghan was nicer to Kate than she deserved. IMO Meghan also gave the impression Kate was affected to a degree by the same circumstances she was, when it came to being able to comment on news items. As I said, immediately post interview a number of regular commenters remarked Kate came off sounding, well, I’ve been using sympathetic. In the current Daily Beast article, there’s a few commenters voicing something similar – “I actually thought Kate came off kind of decent too.” That was my impression at the time, and I admit, I was surprised by what Meghan said.
Anyway, my original point was, Meghan gave Kate a gift; the smart move would have been to shut up and let the subject drop. But she didn’t. And after doubling down on the original lie, there were her performances at the vigil, and the funeral. She really is despicable.
@nota, have to disagree with you somewhat. I think Meghan was nice, because she’s a nice person and has compassion for whatever she knows about Kate’s personal situation (because she also knows what a complete sh*t William is). Second, I believe she doesn’t know the extent of the nastiness on SM and in the media. I suspect she’s not fully aware, for example, as we are, that many articles are so obviously made/planted/arranged by Kate/Carole, etc. Could be wrong, but hasn’t Meghan said she doesn’t read what’s out there? That would be smart, especially after the initial media reaction to her relationship with Harry, and everything that went on with her father and the press. She seemed not to know about the avocado toast, and sounded surprised to hear things were referred to as “Megxit”.
Can see her sending a message to Kate, along the lines of, BTW, I’ve got receipts, keep that in mind for the future. But even she must know it’s pointless to waste time over the deranged Kate fans. Or the media of course, who she’s handled in the only way they understand, by lawsuits.
It’s about inserting Kate into the story constantly and trying to do PR damage control. Kate’s not a mean girl who made Meghan cry and then never corrected the story, Kate’s the Great Peacemaker. It’s just another way of embiggening Kate.
Side note: is embiggening a real word? I feel like we use it so much here that I don’t even know if it’s a real word or not at this point lol.
Embiggening is a perfectly cromulent word. (It’s a made up word from The Simpsons, but it’s entered the lexicon so it’s a word.)
@becks1 they can only repeat something so many times until it becomes a moot point.
@raspin loved that.
Most firm’s hire people that will add “value’ to the company. Obviously, this firm is a bit different, but the “working royals” are paid to promote the Crown. Kate struggles with putting in the work, and it forces them (the firm/reporters) to add value to her however they can. She can’t spit out Heir’s and call it day anymore. Those two men will work it out, or not, at their own pace. Sometimes, things are not meant to be fixed. They are what they are. Especially in families.
Lone Ranger Funeral Truther here to remind you that Kate’s “peacemaking” resulted in William (?) shouting at her and making her cry white Duchess tears in public.
when did this happen, I don’t remember? But I have been thinking for a while that Kate, however flawed and problematic, may be in an abusive marriage…
@ Sue Denim Exactly! Plus she has been publicly humiliated with the rosegarden business. I do feel for her. No woman, regardless of our opinion of her, should be put through this constantly. She is in a very difficult position, and I for one, don’t want to support that in any way, shape or form.
TOB said something to Keen (with clenched jaws), that caused her to step back with Fiesta, who put her hand on her shoulder, while Keen wiped her eyes with a tissue).
It is still not a justification for Kate to then turn around and bully Meghan, which is what she did. Besides Kate has options. If Diana could as princess of Wales divorce Charles than Kate who is lower on the rung can also divorce William if the marriage is that bad. She chooses to remain there and she sure looked fine posing away for the photographers at the funeral.
Sue Denim, All we know is that she held the handkerchief to her face–we don’t know that she cried. She CHOOSES to stay in her marriage. She CHOSE a marriage with a man who would cheat on her–he had been throughout their pre-marriage years. The marriage is something that she can change any time she wants to. Since I seriously doubt that she’s living in the same house as Willileaks, she isn’t being subjected to his abuse except when she sees him. I don’t think she sees him that often. I think she believes the trade off is worth it.
I love your reminders on these stories.
Could you link to youtube video that shows it? I watched the video featured on this site and didn’t see it.
I looked at my DVR recording from the funeral and it doesn’t show William and Kate interacting in this way. However, if it is true that the feed has a five-second delay, something visibly ugly may have been happening between Kate and Will and that is why the camera cut away from the long-awaited reunion with Harry to show the other dull royals plodding ahead up the hill. The other dull royals are repeatedly turning around to look back, but they may have been just as curious as us to see what was going on with Harry and Will/Kate. By the time the camera came back, it was just Harry & Will together and Kate was with Sophie and she had her handkerchief out but seemed like she was dabbing her nose.
I love the expression on the York princesses faces.. maybe someday those two will do a talk show, now I might get cable to see that. I personally think they would be a lot of fun. Maybe if the monarchy slims down and doesn’t have room for them..
That’s what you ‘see’, that isn’t what a bunch of other people see.
Does Kate being in a so called abusive relationship make people feel better? Do people need an explanation at why she’s so awful? Maybe she’s just an ass like her husband. Perhaps it is a mutually abusive relationship. Or maybe this is just their marriage. It’s not like Kate is afraid to call her husband a neglectful, weak, lay his head in her mother’s lap, cheese toast eating fool through sources.
This woman has used a murdered woman, Sarah Everand, to promote her self. She just used Philip’s passing to continue her “savior of the monarchy narrative”. Just six days ago chica was practically doing a photoshoot at the funeral. Like damn. This is who she is. It
There is discussion about this on another thread. Briefly, anyone watching the live broadcast will have seen William, Kate and Harry leaving St George’s Chapel by the Galilee entrance and walking together up the hill. William and Harry were on the narrow pavement and Kate was on the road. The Wessex family were a few paces in front of them and behind them were Peter Phillips with Lord Snowden, Princess Anne and her husband and the Tindalls.
At some point Kate stopped and took a step back, then the camera jumped to the people walking further in front, including the Yorks and Charles and Camilla. The next shots were a birds-eye view showing William and Harry walking together with Kate behind along with Sophie and Louise.
The DM and others were running stories of ‘Kate, the peacemaker’ focusing on this detail of Kate stepping back. The claim was that she had brought the brothers together and then ”delicately” as one report put it, fell back to join the Wessexes. However, the Wessexes were in front. Before this section was edited out of the footage it looked as if Kate might have been told by William to leave them. Willliam had his mask off and was facing the camera, so a good target for any lip-reader.
Hi, nas. Haven’t been by in a while. Nice to see your name!
I think it’s more than William being jealous of Harry being free etc. I think it’s more that he didn’t/doesn’t like Harry and Meghan taking up more bandwidth than he does, and I mean that everywhere not just online.
bluhare! Can I run up and give you an enormous big virtual hug?!
Reunion for me too. We’re true old-timers. Made my day.
Hi nas and Red Snapper!! Nice to see some familiar old timers!. If you’re on Twitter let me know and I will give you a follow!
And yes, you may, nas. Right back atcha too. 🤗
@red snapper can you post a link to this? Ps- I admire your commitment to this line of inquiry.
There was a moment when Harry was talking to the minister, William was leaving and kate was visibly waiting for Harry and William turned and said something to Kate.. She did go out of her ways to be seen as the peacemaker but not sure if her wiping her tears later was about this or something else.
Maybe her attempt wasn’t at peacemaking. Maybe she just wanted Harry to walk with her and pay attention to her. Then he sped up to catch up with Will and talked to him, ignoring her. That made her cry.
I watched the CBS coverage on YouTube. Something was said as Sophie and co surrounded Cannot off to the side when Sophie group stepped back from in front of the trio. It’s a glaring shot. Then suddenly they are behind the brothers and Cannot is wiping at her eyes. My personal tin foil hat hope is H said to his brother I am Not walking with this witch. Willnot shooed Cannot away.
Right? I’m not crazy. I hope. It’s been a rough year. And a half.
I saw it the day of the funeral, but it’s been removed. There is now a gap in the video. If someone has a link to the original I’d love to see it again.
That’s interesting. Also adds support to Red Snapper’s Lone Ranger funeral truther theory.
@Red Snapper “Lone Ranger Funeral Truther Ride or Die!”
Red Snapper, I saw this, too. I can’t remember where I saw it–I remembered the funeral, so I put it on and wasn’t watching the entire thing. I did look up for this–something happened because Kate almost came to a stop she slowed so quickly. I’ve been looking for it and it’s very interesting that those few seconds are missing.
Kate was the one hanging back looking desperate to talk to harry. I think Willie must has snapped at kate and told her to get the f*ck out of their shot. Maybe Willie knew what keen was up to and that she was desperate to get the headline she wanted. She did anyway and got the ‘peacemaker’ articles out there, it was even written 4 days before the funeral by camilla T that Kate was going to be the ‘peacemaker’ so it was clearly orchestrated.
I find it very fascinating that Willie has the balls to snap at kate in public with cameras on them. He knows he can do what the f*ck he wants and will still be protected. If that’s what he’s like in public imagine behind closed doors. But I don’t feel bad for keen, she knows where the door is. The fact she’s so desperate to stay married to him, that she will literally throw anyone under the bus to save herself, must mean she’s desperate to keep this life and had no desire to escape it.
They don’t want the fab 4, they want Harry as 3rd wheel again. And how is Kate going out of her way? If she were going out of her way, she would be correcting things with the press and publicly apologizing. Talking to somebody at a funeral they are both attending is not making a big effort, especially when she seems to be hot for Harry and his wife is nowhere around.
It’s incredible that anyone would position Kate Middleton as a “peace-maker” when we’ve actually witnessed her atrocities against her sil. I doubt very much that Harry had any interest in talking to the woman who treated his wife like garbage.
Another daily puff piece! Wtf is going on??? Lol this is just weird.
It really irks me that the media is focused on the brothers not getting along. The royal family have used those two 2 men to stay relevant after Diana’s death and now they’re scrambling because the image of the big happy family has been shattered.
Even if we see them shoulder to shoulder at this unveiling nothing will change.
How many iterations of this story have we seen now?
Feels like 1000s. Every single day.
Every. Single. Day.
Seriously, I’ve heard the word “peacemaker” enough this week to last the rest of my life. It’s like, WE GET IT. Are they just going to keep publishing a variation of this same damn story every single day?
When it comes to Kate they don’t have a lot of words to use for her that are flattering, so they regurgitate the same few over and over again. Imagine if reporters could write what they really wanted, just one day of the year? They could spend the rest of the year embiggening her to make up for it, but we would get the truth.
Shes as much a peacemaker as *tries to think of warmonger’s name* somebody!! I didnt see much peace making with meghan which would have been a much more productive use if her time if she wants Harry as a friend
They do NOT want the Fab 4 back, I know that much. I know the balcony moment in Fiji is kinda known as The Beginning of The End but it was lowkey the summit in 2018. Meghan ran circles around them. I think that was the first and last real engagement they all had together (correct me if I’m wrong).
They been calling Kate the peacemaker since this all went down and no peace has been made LOL.
Yeah agree with you bout the summit being the beginning of the beginning of the end. Even Tatler reported on Kate’s face at that summit but can’t remember exactly how it was phrased? At this point, I don’t think there ever was a Fab 4, just the possibility of it and the press coining it but it was never a thing.
Yup. Meghan ran circles around all of them. Kate looked like a deer in headlights, Will looked like he had sucked a bag of lemons, and Harry was probably totally turned on at how boss his fiancé was, lol. In all seriousness, he was totally proud of her and the other two were green with envy, albeit for different reasons.
@S808 too funny. They continue to call her a peacemaker, while also saying that Harry is still icing out his family. The gold standard advisors need to get it together.
Add another title of things Kate sucks at: Peacemaker.
So true re heads together summit. You can literally hear the penny drop in W & K’s brains. “Ruh Roh. Not just a pretty face. We gots to nip this energy in the bud.”
@S808 ITA! The Fiji balcony moment was definitely pivotal as well, but that was like the icing on the cake imo. It cemented William’s rage because it was such an iconic moment, but he and Kate were already threatened by the Sussexes.
Meghan had already outshone Kate the day of the Heads Together event and the entire world saw it. Meghan was making interesting comments about women’s rights and Kate was just sitting there mutely with an awkward smile on her face — she had absolutely nothing to contribute. It was like “the adults were talking” and she was quietly waiting until they were done.
It’s not Kate’s fault that she’s not a fabulous public speaker, and definitely not off the cuff without notes, but it just became so apparent that day that the Cambridges would have to up their game *significantly* in order to even be in the same league as Harry and Meghan.
Whoever said that the Sussexes made William and Kate look “suburban, dowdy, and dull” really nailed it. I honestly don’t know what they could have done at that point to try and polish their images, but they never even tried; they just went straight to trashing the competition.
Kate’s pr team needs to really take a breather. We get it, she’s integral to the monarchy! King maker, peace maker, ever the maturing queen consort in waiting. Ugh. These articles are the equivalent of Kris Jenner saying “You’re doing great sweetie!!”.
@Watson omg I’m laughing so hard at your last sentence!!
As long as William’s idea of a reconciliation is Harry returning to The Firm (preferably minus Meghan) and being under his thumb until the day he dies, it’s never going to happen.
Harry’s goal is 1) Stop briefing against me and my wife 2) Apologize to my wife and treat her with respect 3) Let’s just be brothers and not co-workers and leave the family business out of it.
They are really betting on July. The whole lot needs family therapy. This will not be solved in a couple of months.
I hope Harry doesn’t go out of spite. I’m petty…With the newborn coming soon and the pandemic, I think he should postpone it or find another way to honour his mother 🙂
I think the obsession with July is weird, I got it before, but now Harry has been back to the UK, he’s seen his family, he’s “talked” to his brother and father (however briefly and/or superficially the conversations might have been), they have shots of the brothers walking side by side (thanks Peter Phillips!) – it seems to me that a lot of the build-up over the statute should be gone.
I think it’s partly because, while they were both at the funeral, it was a funeral. It wasn’t about them. This statue unveiling however is all about them–their connection to Diana, to each other as brothers. I can see the RR’s salivating from all the way over here. They want to see Harry and William actually interacting with one another. They want to see ‘Diana’s boys’ to see how much they need one another. And even better, if Meghan comes, that adds 5,000 other stories on her looks, on whether or not she talks to anyone or they talk to her. They’d want to gloat in her/their ostricization from the RF. They are HUNGRY for this because this has the makings of articles upon articles.
I think their obsession with the statue unveiling is crazily over the top too, but L84TEA makes a good point. If Harry does go that day, the resulting photos/interviews/etc. will probably comprise half of the RR’s/photographers’ incomes for the entire year, lol. They need it, and if Harry doesn’t go, they’re going to get even more desperate than they already are.
Sure, initially there will be a flurry of stories about how “disrespectful” it was of Harry not to attend; they’ll make it sound as if Harry spit on Diana’s grave for god’s sake. But where do they go after that? It will be all up to the Cambridges to provide “content” going forward, and if they can’t deliver…I don’t know. Either way it’s going to be interesting to watch.
They want Harry in the gladiator ring with William and July is the perfect setting for that. Agree that at the end of the day, this visit was about laying Phillip to rest and everyone had to be on their “best behavior”, including the RRs. They want blood and fodder for weeks/months to write about, and they think — hope — the brothers are going to slug it out with Diana’s statue as a backdrop.
What the RRs want is Harry back without Meghan, that’s why they keep harping on it. W&K refused to let Meghan attend the private commemoration in 2017. W&K and the RRs want all of this to be done without Meghan as part of any of it. My hope is Harry skips it and stays home. Let W&K make it a pathetic, obvious PR outing of their kids (with army of nannies hidden just out of frame).
@Nota, I’m with you. I really do not want Harry to go–for a multitude of reasons, but especially because at this point it feels like a really sick power struggle. Like they are so desperate to get Harry on UK soil without Meghan so they can keep saying and believing “see, he still chooses to come here to us…see, he’s willing to leave you at home for US.” It’s demented and is starting to feel gross. Their possessiveness over Harry is disturbing.
Harry should only go if Meghan goes with him. Please no more Fab Three pictures with Kate grinning away.
If this is “out of her way,” what’s in her way at all?
Good point
I guess when you have no real work or accomplishments to speak of, this is all that’s left for the royal gossip mongers to write about you.
Katie wants a slice of the American Megs and haz pie. It’s killing her that only omid on her side of the pound gets the occasional update. Guess you should have been a real honest journalist and not a keen Kevin and Karen boot licker all of these years.
The thing is all those royal reporters had a chance to treat Meghan fairly but they didn’t. They wrote and spoke about her in a dehumanizing way rather than treating her like a human being. If they had just reported on her fairly, like Omid did, they could be getting exclusives and making money but they didn’t. It reminds of the Pretty Woman scene on Rodeo Drive in that these reporters are like the snooty shopkeepers and Meghan is like Julia walking in with all her shopping bags and saying “Big mistake. Huge!”
William doesn’t care if their relationship is in a better place by the time of the statue unveiling. He just wants Harry to show up and stand there for the photographs and avoid the headlines that the brothers are still in a rift. William doesn’t want anyone too intrepid digging into the rift and smelling the Roses. Especially an American reporter who can’t be controlled.
Exactly
William needs Harry to show up for the coverage. Within him, nobody is really going to care. The Keens little engagement might as well have not happened yesterday as it was hardly mentioned. Their anniversary came and went as well. Meanwhile, Harry having a meeting LA with no pictures made headlines everywhere.
CW service 2020 people, that’s your keen peacemaker true personality .
Exactly. That’s why they keep pushing the peacemaker thing. They want people to forget that she acknowledged only 2 of the 4 people sitting there-the 2 not named Harry or Meghan. Even Will gave them a nod.
The hope is to erase her cantankerous looks from that day to support the never putting a foot (in this case face) wrong.
No, Harry did not visibly relax and become comfortable around Kate the Abuser of Harry’s Wife. Nicholl needs to take several seats.
That part is so ridiculous. What is she, a body language expert? None of that happened, she is just making it up to support her Kate The Peacemaker nonsense. I mean, Harry is probably very uncomfortable around his brother so having someone, anyone, come join them so he doesn’t have to be alone with William is probably not unwelcome, but no way does Kate “relax” Harry after she threw his wife under the bus for years.
Harry’s body language toward Kate was avoidance in the lead-up to the Great Walk Up The Hill. He purposely looked away when Kate walked in front of him while he was waiting to speak to the officiant after the ceremony so she couldn’t make eye contact. Kate and Will were standing in front of Harry in the tent while the Queen got in the car and neither were speaking to Harry or looking back at him. The overtures on Kate’s part were for the cameras only.
Sounds like Kate has been dictating her fantasies to Nicholl for her to write. In Kate’s daydreams about Harry, he loves being in her presence and she “relaxes him” with her touch. She is leaning heavily into the crazy tabloid/Mugxiteer narrative that Harry looks unhappy around Meghan but happy with Kate as part of the “original trio”, and that Meghan is leading Harry astray, but Kate is a “positive influence” on him. No wonder she couldn’t keep her eyes off of Harry during the funeral service.
@Pearl Grey,”Sounds like Kate has been dictating her fantasies to Nicholl for her to write. In Kate’s daydreams about Harry, he loves being in her presence and she “relaxes him” with her touch.” hahaha
If the crazy tabloids/Mugxiteers really think Harry doesn’t look happy around Meghan then they don’t have a clue what happiness looks like. Yes, that vixen lead him astray from the toxic family and my goodness, he looks happy & great as a result.
It’s high time some of these writers apply the Sagan Standard to their stories before pressing send. Their strenuous efforts to make Kate look good and continuously calling her a peacemaker make them look bad & dimwitted.
The bots are out wanting Harry to resume the “wonderful days’ of when he and Kate and William were together as a “family.” APparently they want him to ditch his wife and go to William and Kate and Kate “cares for Harry” so much. Horrible.
I just rolled my eyes at that.
As usual Katie doesn’t have much information and what is being left out of her comments are the issues that have lead to rift: racism, misogynoir, xenophobia, jealousy, the smear campaign, the failure to look after Meghan and Harry’s mental health and the rejection of Archie. For there to be any kind of reconciliation the Royal Family has to admit, apologise and make amends for all that they did to Harry and Meghan and I don’t see that ever happening.
I love that trench coat on Meghan. She looks pretty, relaxed, and very stylish. It’s almost funny how good she looks next to these photos of drab, button-happy Kate.
Kate the “peacemaker” is on par with Kate modeling herself after the Queen with an “abundance of tolerance.” Really, what does the Queen, Sophie and Kate all have in common? They are (were in the Queen’s case) all in sham marriages. QEII being tolerant of Phillip’s many companions is well-known; I can see that Sophie serving as Edward’s beard all these years has really pleased the Queen and made them close (see leaked tape files where she calls the Queen a cow); and finally, the sad state of the Keenbridge marriage, where the most Kate can do is try (and fail) to freeze Rose out of her social circle.
These women have a great deal of commiseration with each other and the “duty” they uphold is all based on image. They are worlds away from women like Meghan, Diana or even Anne: women who will walk away and publicly divorce for the sake of their own happiness.
@Lyds your comment about Sophie brings up an interesting comparison. For the record I agree with you about their marriage, so going on the assumption that it’s true, all Sophie needs to do to “please the Queen” is stay married, look happy in public, and keep her mouth shut. She doesn’t have to do any work at all, and certainly not as much as she does. The family couldn’t do anything about it because as you said, she’s served as the beard (rather convincingly, imo) for all these years and they want to keep it that way.
She’s essentially in the same position as Kate, in what the family needs most from her is her “discretion” — but Kate takes advantage of it by doing no work at all because she knows there’s nothing they can do about it. (Kate’s position isn’t 100% secure, but she has a lot of dirt that the family must be worried she would spill if they pulled a Diana on her.) Sophie chooses to work her ass off anyway. It was just interesting to me when I thought about it this way.
Such a strange suggestion, because it didn’t work. He went home and it wasn’t constructive. There is a push and pull narrative going on. Either they are saturating the press with W&K’s dignified efforts at diplomacy and royal readiness, because they are intending to move them prematurely into a reign of sorts; or Kate and her mother are determined she stays relevant in the hope that they can orchestrate a power bid. Without the foil of M&H, Kate and William are pretty soon going to look very dowdy, outdated and beside the point. DM comments on their visit to the cadets were very few; ironically, it was even pointed out by one poster how few people had anything to say about them. Or, as others have said, there is major news of an affair on its way.
The sky is blue, water is wet, Katie Nicholl is still full of it. Next …
Do you think she believes her own hype? I’d like to see a video of Kate falling straight to the bottom of a pool, because “Duchess Of Cambridge really goes out of her way to walk across water.”
Whew?!? The key is no leaking? Ummm that is Sure funny to read from the RR who KP leaked against for 4 years! And Kate the peacemaker needs to quiet down. No one who is really a peacemaker actually needs to advertise it. Yikes
I know right? That story was literally dictated to her, lol.
Wait, you guys. I don’t think I’m getting this story correct. Is Kate the great Peacemaker? Or is she the great Peacemaker? The half a dozen exact same narratives from different publications haven’t really gotten this point across yet…
I’m gonna go out on a limb and assume she’s the great Peacemaker. That must be it.
The way Kate’s embiggening has ramped up recently, it makes me think her insecurity has increased over *something.* She’s lost more weight, had extra work on her face, and is going overboard with the “Kate is Great” tabloid stories. That’s over-compensation for *something.* Maybe a story will break soon?
My theory is that she’s trying to sell herself to William so that he doesn’t divorce her. There used to be rumors of a 10 year marriage contract, well 10 years is coming up and he’s miserable with her. They had their kids, he has his heirs, she adds nothing in the way of gravitas, sparkle, social connections, behind the scenes political help, engagement numbers, or press interest. They don’t make each other happy and he would rather be with other women. I think he’s *thiiiis close* to ditching her and she’s trying to show him, through the press, how special she is and how much she adds to his image. And barring that, at least convince the public that she’s a wonderful woman and the only person for the job of FFQ to get them on her side and invested in the Will and Kate marriage/family image.
They have such obviously disparate PR campaigns right now. He’s saying one thing and she (and the Meddletons) are saying something completely different. Plus there hasn’t been really any coverage of their big 10 year anniversary. That’s some super easy good PR—just posing for lovey dovey photos and giving interviews about how your relationship has changed and matured and how you’re more in love than ever and committed to being partners for life—and yet we haven’t seen any of that.
They don’t even have to do anything special themselves for the 10-year anniversary. Just having their staff post a few previously unreleased photos with some schmaltzy commentary here and there would’ve been enough (predictably lazy, but enough and realistic for their standards). The fact that they aren’t even doing the bare minimum regarding their anniversary is truly brow raising. It’s literally the easiest and most obvious way for them to control the narrative post-interview and they haven’t done it. Also, the British media’s past 2-3 year campaign of retconning their relationship into a fairytale romance has basically stopped. Again, one would’ve expected a few sappy pieces about their ~special journey together~ by now. The fact that none of the above has happened–especially before Philip’s death–is pretty strange.
This is a good point….why HAVEN’T we seen any articles/coverage about how happy they are together (or as happy as the RRs would love for us to believe)?? No leaks about how thrilled Will is with Kate and their kids….how they are going on some second honeymoon to celebrate, or SOMETHING. And focus on that and how they are so strong and united after 10 years 🙄 instead of finding a way to jab at the Sussexes. They’ve literally got nothing, b/c there is nothing THERE between them anymore.
@Amy Too, it doesn’t seem that any of the royal marrieds do a lot of publicizing about the state of their relationships, although of course the media will drop occasional vague (or sometimes not so vague, even somewhat “rosy”) hints. So when it was obvious, to anyone who could hear, see or read, that H&M were head over heels with each other, that probably rankled. One, because maintaining an even keel through good times and bad is supposed to keep speculation to a minimum and they were breaking that rule, and two, from sheer jealousy and resentment that H&M were obviously not just settling for each other.
But cheer up, BRF! Freedom and a chance for happiness is available to you, too, if you just have the courage to go for it.
Of course, if you’d rather sit tight as a fly in amber and snipe at Harry and his lovely family, you can do that, too.
Uncle Gary is also being allowed to speak to the tabs more than he has in a very long while.
I saw screenshots of his most recent interview too and WOW, he is bold as hell to be suggesting that Elizabeth should step aside AND have his niece and nephew in law take over. I’m not even sure if William approves of this; he’s recently had his own PR propping him up over Charles but Uncle Gary’s statements are just…odd. I have so many questions.
A peacemaker would have swiftly denied the Crying story to the media to shut it down. A Peacemaker would not have aided and abetted a cheap PR stunt by her husband with a commercial jet to put down her brother and sister in law.
The Cambridge stans rave about how happy the “three of them” were together. I guess they would have loved Harry being the happy bachelor and third wheel.
The derangers just got a school that had made a tweet about the difference in press treatment between Meghan and Kate to delete that tweet because of a harassment campaign orchestrated by an account strongly suspected to be run by Knauf (as per Heidi Moore). They have serious issues to be going after institutions that simply point out they did a project about media studies in the different treatment.
I’ll say it again: something is very rotten and very wrong and soon to be very public here.
The only constant BRF messaging on Harry’s departure (which he still has not explained-he said the British press was “toxic”,ok, sure, but-there is more, so, so much more) has been: stay tuned. THERE IS NEVER A REASON PROVIDED, AN ALTERNATIVE PLAN ( other than just saying this week that Charles is working on one now that his dad who retired in 2017 kicked off), SHARED OR A STATEMENT TO THE EFFECT OF: WE BEGGED THEM TO STAY, BUT THEY REALLY WANTED TO LEAVE, SO WE WISH THEM THE BEST AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THEM AT THE HOLIDAYS EACH YEAR! Love, the BRF
The 1st message is: “we are surprised at the timing here and they want to make $ and we’ll see how that goes and review their status in 1year.” Ok.
2nd message: ??????
They control massive amounts of land and wealth and the sole purpose of giving one family this power is to provide balance to the government and prevent their ever being a dictatorship and and Brit here can jump in and explain the rest. Doesn’t that come with some accountability to the British public on matters of changes in the family and transfers of wealth and power that go along with those?
They are turning this into a soap opera but just like Charles divorce had real implications, and Andrew’s possible civil liabilities may have real implications, doesn’t the fact that Harry and his heirs, possibly before they were born, were being frozen out of the Firm and whatever assets they may have been entitled to, aren’t their real political implications there that should be publicly disclosed at this point?
And what about Frogmore Cottage? Is it ok with the British public that no one knows anything about the status of that Crown property now that Harry and his family do not live there?
No one in the line of succession has rights to taxpayer assets. Charles doesn’t own the Duchy of Cornwall, William won’t own it either, Harry was never going to be the Duke of Cornwall. Any actual Windsor family assets, the private wealth? That has nothing to do with who is a working royal and who isn’t.
It doesn’t matter if anyone lives in Frogmore Cottage. Harry and Meghan have paid the full legal lease, they are free to do what they want with it. They can leave it empty for decades, let his cousin live there for free, or sell the sublease.
@nas 💜 Thx for overlooking the typos and understanding my questions.
@nas 💜 Thx for overlooking the typos and understanding my questions.
So if the monarchy were dissolved, all the holdings of the Duchys would be publicly owned?
I had to wipe tears of laughter out of my eyes, to read this article. The photo, of the two of them protectively clasping their hands over their genitals kinda says it all. Yep, you two are DEFINITELY into each other.
Some Peacemaker she is. Some of her stans want Harry to resume the “happy days” of when he trailed after William and Kate.
There is nothing wrong with her trying to bring them together.