DM: ‘Palace aides’ want the Duke & Duchess of Sussex to ‘give up’ their titles

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As soon as the Duke and Duchess of Sussex left that dusty island, there were “calls” for their ducal titles to be removed. Harry and Meghan had to promise not to “use” their HRH-style post-Sussexit, but they are still HRHs and they are still the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. When Meghan announced the publication of her children’s book, The Bench, people began crying again because she’s listed as author with her title: “Meghan, The Duchess of Sussex.” That was when it really struck me as to *why* there’s such intense focus on the titles, specially for Meghan. Meghan is using her married name. That’s her legal, married name now: Meghan, The Duchess of Sussex. When people attack her for “using her title,” they’re attacking her for marrying Harry and being a Black woman married to a prince. Well, guess what? “Palace aides” have renewed their attacks on Harry and Meghan’s married names/titles in the wake of Harry’s Armchair Expert podcast. From the Daily Mail’s exclusive:

Palace aides have called on the Duke and Duchess of Sussex to give up their titles following Prince Harry’s latest ‘disgraceful’ assault on the Royal Family. In a withering condemnation of the couple’s continued attacks on the Royals, senior courtiers told The Mail on Sunday of a growing sense of ‘bewilderment and betrayal’. They are particularly incensed over Harry’s ‘shocking’ criticism of Prince Charles’s parenting skills and, by implication, those of the Queen and the late Prince Philip.

‘People are appalled that he could do this to the Queen when the Duke of Edinburgh is barely in his grave,’ said one aide. ‘To drag his grandfather into this is so shocking and disrespectful. The Duke of Sussex has now spent a significant amount of time emphasising that he’s no different to anyone else and attacking the institution which he says has caused him so much pain. There is a growing feeling that if you dislike the institution that much, you shouldn’t have the titles.’

Laying bare the toxicity that now exists between the Sussexes and the wider Royal Family, another source said: ‘They should put the titles into abeyance, so they still exist, but are not used, like they agreed to do with their HRHs. They should just become Harry and Meghan. And if they refuse to do that, they have to explain why not.’

While it is understood that no formal moves are planned to strip the couple of their titles, the pressure for them to be relinquished demonstrates how deep the sense of betrayal has become in the Palace.

His latest outburst means tensions are expected to be high when Harry returns to Britain for the unveiling of a new statue of his mother, Princess Diana, on July 1. Harry has left senior Royals baffled by his ‘woeful lack of compassion’ in the expletive-filled 90-minute interview last week with actor and podcaster Dax Shepard. In particular, there is fury that he spoke out just a month after his grandfather’s funeral.

A close friend of Charles last night said: ‘If you follow Harry’s logic and treat the Royals just as ordinary people, then the Prince is a single parent who’s been doing his best for years. Can you imagine how it feels to have that effort judged so harshly, so publicly? Harry talks about compassion. But where is the compassion for his father? Where is your compassion for your own family who have just buried a much-loved member? And where is your compassion for your grandmother who has just lost the man she’s loved all her life?’

[From The Daily Mail]

This is going to be different from the palace aides and royal commentators’ intense focus on “paying back” the money spent on renovating Frogmore Cottage last year. That was one of their favorite ways to bash H&M for months. Until Harry paid the money back. Now it’s all “they should willingly give up their titles!” Y’all know that the titles were a “wedding gift” from the Queen, right? If Liz wants to be a tacky bish and take back her wedding gift, she’s going to have to do it herself. Or get Charles to do it. But if the palace openly seeks to formally remove Harry and Meghan’s titles, then questions will be asked about why Prince Andrew is still the Duke of York. And why Prince Michael of Kent abuses his royal title to profit from his association with Russian gangsters *and* the crown. Besides all of that, this story is all just another example of the generational trauma and toxic family cycles Harry spoke of in the g–damn podcast. Jesus.

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  1. Belli says:

    Well if you insist… Prince and Princess it is!

    • Seraphina says:

      I was wondering – OK, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex maybe can be given up if Liz gave them those. But would they not go back to Prince at least? I would think that title is a birthright and cannot be demanded back.

    • Jane says:

      This is hilarious – Professor Kate Williams, a renowned royal commentator who actually knows her shit, unlike a lot of the hacks, pointed out on Twitter that if the ducal title is removed, their titles will revert to Prince Harry (because that title can’t be removed) and Princess Henry of Wales, which in reality will mean people, particularly Americans, referring to Meghan as Princess Meghan, just as they refer (incorrectly) to Princess Diana and often Princess Kate. So yes, remove the ducal titles and bring on Prince Harry and Princess Meghan!

      • mariahlee says:

        I think the Princess Henry label is particularly sexist and demeaning, as far as these archaic titles go. I can’t imagine Meghan would want the complete erasure of her name in her primary official styling.

      • notasugarhere says:

        It simply means she isn’t a princess in her own right, mariahlee. It is another form of married name.

      • FC says:

        Lol the DM just buried the title story and removed all tags (so when you click the Meghan Markle tag it doesn’t show up). It was literally their top homepage story yesterday. Heads in asses.

      • Miranda says:

        It may be the proper style, but I have to agree that it comes across as sexist and archaic. Yes, I realize it’s comparable to us peasants addressing a woman as “Mrs. (Husband’sName)”, and that also makes me cringe. To me, it feels like, thisclose to just calling Meghan “OfHarry”.

      • Brittany says:

        It does really come across as sexist, especially since other royal courts allow married women to use their own names with their Princess titles. For example, Princess Sofia of Sweden or Crown Princess Mary of Denmark. I think the English tradition is actually the odd one out.

      • So says:

        When Princess Charlotte marries will her husband technically be Prince Charlotte?

    • Snuffles says:

      Americans will just happily call her Princess Meghan. And even though Duchess is a higher rank, Americans don’t know that, nor would they care. All they really know is King, Queen, Prince and Princess.

      • Erica says:

        I literally don’t know one American that would ever call Meghan “Princess Meghan’ LOL

      • Seraphina says:

        We Americans may just begin calling her Queen Meghan – that would really chafe the Middleton’s rear.

      • Nina says:

        @Erica. I know quite a few who do call her princes Meghan. So I guess it’s a question of who you ask. People don’t care. They do what they want.
        Given the good PR people. the Sussexes have that can be achieved if the “palace aides” insist. Be careful what you wish for “palace aides.” This is what happens when the help starts acting more uppity than the royals.

      • Wiglet Watcher says:

        A ton would. There’s a strong Diana link there and even the tabloids would eventually help with that because it would be a title heavily associated with her.
        They just need to complain about something.

      • Lauren says:

        Technically speaking Prince is above Duke, but there is a difference as to a royal duke (they inherit dukedoms held by the crown and given via patent letters to direct descendants of the monarch) who hold the HRH and the non-royal duke.

      • anotherlily says:

        Duchess on its own is not a higher rank but a royal Duchess ranks higher than a Princess. This is because her husband is a Prince plus a royal Duke. This is why HRH Prince Edward, Duke of Kent, ranks higher than his brother Prince Michael of Kent.

        Archie now has a legal right to inherit the title Duke of Sussex. This is his birthright. Harry is a Prince by birth and nothing can remove that. There is no reason for him to deny his heritage and every reason for him to pass that on to his children.

        ‘Palace Aides’ have replaced the Queen in the Mail’s call for titles to be removed because it has finally been recognised that there are no legal powers to remove Harry’s titles. All they can now do is to call for a voluntary giving up of titles, which is meaningless,especially when other royals have for many years been using titles in their private business dealings.

      • marie says:

        Meanwhile “Princess Henry” is trending right now on Twitter, but sure, no American would ever, amirite.

      • Normades says:

        As an American I will gladly call her “Princess Megan“ it had a nicer ring to it.

    • ➕💯👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 BELLI——- 😈. I say let them come and get them. Why ask the Sussexes to do your dirty work. Go to Parliament and do the work if it’s so terribly stressful to know the Sussexes still are titled and use them when they want.

    • PrincessK says:

      Surely the silly Palace must have learned that removing titles will be another thing to backfire, and will make the Sussexes even more popular. The titles are not what puts them on the front pages.

  2. Red Snapper says:

    Such a crazy disconnect between the truth and what the palace says the truth is! I’m amazed they think they can just demand the reality they desire.

    • Em says:

      Right! When they said (summarized) “If they don’t want to give up their titles, they need to explain why.” Well, no they don’t. These people are actually making demands from people they do not know, about things that are none of their business.

      Can you imagine having a problem with someone you really do not know and making demands regarding their life? I know H&M just laugh at this shit but my god.

  3. Cecilia says:

    I highly doubt the rest of britain will call for prince pedo or prince michael of kents titles to be removed.

    But im sat here laughing at the fact that if they do return the titles, meghan will be called princess henry of wales. Which people especially the media, will just shorten to princess of wales or even princess meghan. All these years they tried to make princess kate a thing only for it to be princess meghan. Pleases me greatly

  4. Sofia says:

    Oh so the podcast is the “last straw” now? I thought it was the new Finding Freedom chapters? Or was it the Oprah interview? No no it was the Spotify deal. Wait no it was telling people to vote. Actually it was the Netflix deal. No it was Finding Freedom. Or was it buying a house in Montecito? Could it have also been moving to the US? Or moving to Canada? Actually it might have been when they first announced they were leaving? Actually, the “last straw” may have been Meghan breathing even when she was a working royal.

    • LaraW” says:

      Kate and William have been generously donating straws from their hay bale of love.

      • BothSidesNow says:

        @LaraW, unfortunately, a bale of hay from love made of these two is very small, so they must be running out bale very quickly as there is no love with this couple, except for bows and buttons!!

      • lanne says:

        They can thatch a roof with all those last straws!

    • Myra says:

      We have been through a dozen last-straws already. Didn’t both parliament and palace put an end to this title debacle a while ago? Was I dreaming because I feel like they commented on this before.

    • Becks1 says:

      Right?? At some point you would think they would run out of straws, lol.

    • LMR says:

      Well then, I can’t wait for the next “last straw”. Bring it on.

    • iconoclast59 says:

      @Sofia, good point. They have enough “last straws” to fill up a barn at this point. Maybe the Cambridges can make them into bales for their next rustic family photo op.

    • Isabella says:

      And the timing, always the timing. It is never right for Meghan or Harry to speak.

  5. Amy Bee says:

    It doesn’t seem like the palace aides actually listened to the podcast because Harry, after all they did to him, still has compassion for his father and grandparents. If they want to strip Harry and Meghan (it’s really Meghan they want to take the title from) then they should do it. They will only end looking mean and vindictive to the world and would be dredging up memories of how they treated Diana and people will just end up calling Meghan, Princess Meghan instead.

    • Amy Bee says:

      I’ll add they Harry and Meghan should not give up their titles. Let the Palace take them.

      • NotSoSocialButterfly says:


      • anotherlily says:

        The Palace cannot take them. It has no power to take away any of Harry’s titles. The dukedom is not like an honorary military rank or a royal patronage. It does not depend on fulfilling any particuar role. It is a gift and is now Harry’s legal property which Archie has a legal right to inherit.

        Princess Margaret’s husband was given an earldom and he remained the Earl of Snowden after the divorce. Their children were ‘Viscount’ and ‘Lady’. Their son has now inherited the earldom. Archie is being raised without a title but he is, legally, a Viscount and will be, legally, a Prince when his grandfather is King.

      • Feeshalori says:

        Actually, l think Archie has the courtesy title the Earl of Dumbarton. It’s Prince Edward’s son who’s a viscount who will inherit the Earl of Wessex title.

      • BlueToile says:

        I agree, Freeshalori. It really speaks volumes that in his birth announcement Archie was not styled as Earl of Dumbarton and the palace lied and said this was Harry and Meghan’s wish. Meghan made it clear they were not consulted. This is what makes me angry when people say Meghan lied about Archie not being a prince right away and she didn’t know protocol that Archie isn’t a prince until Charles becomes king. It seems pretty obvious to me that she was saying they NEVER intended to have him titled a prince. Ever. Now I wonder if Chuck will feel pressure to title Archie just to save face,

      • Feeshalori says:

        As l understand it, Charles will have to change the Letters of Patent to remove Archie’s title as prince because he automatically becomes one once Charles becomes king. The Queen changed the LP to include all William’s children as HRH princess/prince but left it that Harry’s children would become the same once Charles ascends the throne. If he does revise the LP as an excuse to downsize the royal family, then he should also turn his attention to other family members such as James and Louise who l believe can assume their HRHs once they turn 18. But there is the matter if they become working royals, but that obviously doesn’t mean anything where nonworking royals can still retain their titles.

    • Becks1 says:

      Exactly. Harry said that he wasn’t blaming his father, but its no secret that Charles wasn’t the best father and it’s no secret that his (charles’) childhood was lonely and he had a weird relationship with his parents. I guess the anger is that Harry is reminding people of that, when so much of Charles’ image rehab has been about how he is such a caring father etc.

    • L84Tea says:

      THIS. I simply cannot wrap my brain around how they don’t see how bad it would make them look! It seems when all else fails, they default back to this “take their titles” battle cry. Where in the world are the crisis managers??

    • anotherlily says:

      They can’t take the titles. There is no legal process for removing the titles other than treason i.e. conspiring with the UK’s enemies.

      ‘Palace Aides’ are aware that Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex, ranks higher than his brother in popular acclaim. He is simply more attractive in every way and therefore more newsworthy.

    • Thirtynine says:

      Well, we saw four of them comment on fim for the Oprah interview which they hadn’t seen, so nothing is more likely.

  6. LaraW” says:

    Close friend of Charles, you say? Story must come from the dear old deadbeat himself. Regency is essentially in place and Charlie still hides behind his mother’s skirts.

  7. Phoenix says:

    They just love feeding haters souls but in reality the trolls don’t realize what it would mean to remove the titles of Harry and Meghan.
    I say go ahead, open that can of worms. Princess Henry of Wales sounds even better 😉

    • notasugarhere says:

      As I explain below, I’m not sure ‘Wales’ is part of his title anymore. When they got married, Sussex replaced Wales. If they take away ‘Sussex’ someone would have to give back ‘Wales’. Otherwise, they’re may just be Prince and Princess Henry. No ‘of anything’ after it. Once Charles is king, it might revert to Prince and Princess Henry of Lancaster, as Charles would then be Duke of Lancaster.

      • Nic919 says:

        I believe the children of the monarch are called The Prince / Princess (first name) and don’t have anything else attached unless they have a title.
        Charles is tricky because he was Duke of Cornwall from 1952, but Anne was The Princess Anne, and Andrew and Edward are The Prince Andrew and The Prince Edward with their ducal title after that.
        Harry will become The Prince Harry when his father is monarch.

      • Nic919 says:

        Ok that should be Henry but it’s the same principle.

  8. Seraphina says:

    Palace aides – who are the palace aides? Don’t palace aides work FOR Liz and Charles. Seems to me a better gig would be a palace aide since they are able to “demand” things of the BRF.

    • Cecilia says:

      “Palace aides” in question are a nasty combination of trolls and royal rota rats who have been screaming this at the top of their lungs since January 8th 2020

    • Eurydice says:

      My thought is that there are no “palace aides.” The tabloids have been making up stuff all along, knowing full well that the RF won’t stop them – so, why not make this up, too?

      • Robyn says:

        You would think the “palace aides” would at least come up with a new storyline by now! Stop trying to make fetch happen, KP.

    • Myra says:

      If they want us to take them seriously, they need to put a name behind their statement. Only a coward would hide behind anonymous royal source, my palace source, senior royal or palace aide. Why are they so afraid of Harry?

    • notasugarhere says:

      Courtiers who often work around, behind the backs of, or in spite of royals. The courtiers don’t act in the best interest of anyone but themselves. They are convinced that destroying Harry and Meghan means courtiers keeping control of the monarch and working royals, so that’s what they’re doing.

      • Seraphina says:

        @notasugarhere, From reading my history courtiers were typically aristocracy back in the day. Is that true here or are they hired help.

      • notasugarhere says:

        They’re hired help now, but people who manipulate the system to keep themselves employed. As long as they have controllable royals (W&K), they keep the system running, they keep their jobs. It isn’t about preservation of monarchy because they believe it is a good thing; it is preservation of a monachy filled will easily-manipulated people because it keeps Grey Men in their jobs.

      • Seraphina says:

        Thank you for the explanation.

  9. Lauren says:

    They want the Sussexes to be the one the one to give them up so they don’t have to open the can of worms of “but what about this person’s titles”. I hope that H&M make them go through the official channels if they are that pressed about the titles. In any case they will remain Prince Henry of Wales and Princess Henry of Wales.

  10. Izzy says:

    Good grief, this is such a terrible, tone-deaf look. Where are these maverick crisis PR people? Why aren’t they shutting this kind of crap down? Because the longer the palaces continue the conversation about Harry and his comments, the longer you have people (like us) rightfully pointing out that 1) Chuck did the same thing in his own interview, 2) Pedo Andy and his shenanigans, and 3) the racist Kents and their profiteering.

  11. Snuffles says:

    I don’t know what they think they will accomplish with this move. It won’t stop any of their deals or continued success. I’m not even sure if it would hurt their feelings at this point.

    So the only thing they will accomplish is temporarily satisfy some salty royalists in the UK. Then they will go right back to being outraged that Harry and Meghan haven’t fallen into oblivion and continue to be happy and successful.

    • Eurydice says:

      It’s the death throes of a giant industry. “Royal Expert,” the tabloids, the monarchy, all working together – it’s worth millions and millions.

    • Becks1 says:

      And it’s hilarious bc as others have pointed out – he’s still Prince Harry. Are they going to demand he stop going by Prince?

      • notasugarhere says:

        Yes, Becks1. If they voluntarily stopped using Duke and Duchess of Sussex, the next thing haters would do is demand they stop using Prince and Princess. Then they’d demand they stop using Mountbatten-Windsor as a last name.

        If you give a mouse a cookie and all that.

    • BothSidesNow says:

      That is what is infuriating the entire population of Salty Island. They all hoped that Harry and Meghan would fail and come running back, but the exact opposite happened and they are more salty than they were before. So now they are back on the “removal of the titles” rant because they have so little to attack them for. They fully repaid for the renovations of Frogmore Cottage, that was funded by taxpayers which probably wasn’t reimbursed, and now they have all of these spectacular deals and are tied with some of the most progressive partnerships. Salty Island is be one more salty as each day progresses and they are only using what little dirty tricks they have left.

  12. Victoria says:

    Like, so we will call them Prince and Princess.

    Like you bitter bitches are still mad because he wifed up a chick who half Black chick and said her half Black live matters. HALF. She is one of you too, white people! Like, why are you denying her and half her identity? She was a credit to both races you dumb ass ingrates.

    Harry was never going to marry you delusional pick mes, weirdos and so harping about Meghan’s LEGAL last name is ridiculous. It is what it is.

  13. S808 says:

    If they want the titles, they’re gonna have to go get em. I think they’ll have to take an L either way. As said above if the titles are taken, they become prince/princess Henry. We will absolutely call Meghan Princess Meghan. Or nothing happens and H&M (&the kids) will continue to dominate the royal sphere until (hopefully) the Cambridge kids take over.

    Either way one thing that’s not gonna happen is H&M giving up their titles and I don’t think they should. I’m on team “Make Em Take It”.

    • Cecilia says:

      To be completely honest, i don’t think the queen nor charles would want to strip their titles. I know many don’t want to admit this, but for the BRF to get maybe a corner on the global stage they need meghan and harry to remain attached to them, someway, somehow. Their titles is their only link with royalty. Not to mention, they want harry to come back. Might be a bit hard if they take it title away.

      • JT says:

        @Cecilia This right here. For all of the talk around who are the real royals, it’s H&M that bring in the attention for the monarchy. The only time the royals trend is in relation to H&M and maybe a Cambridge kid’s birthday. Being attached to the Sussexes is their only play going forward, because without them, nobody else cares. Apparently not even their own “subjects.” It’s why there can’t be a single royal story that doesn’t mention Harry and Meghan.

      • LaraW” says:

        I think Charles really does want them to stop using their titles. This is his perfect little solution, putting the titles “into abeyance.” That phrase threw me off, because it’s not part of the Daily Mail’s or generic palace aide lexicon. Also the whole “friend of Charles” deal— I wasn’t aware Charles had any friends who spoke to the DM. I thought Clarence House was all about the “senior palace aides” doing the leaking.

        Honestly, I am here for the drama. All of this title crap before the birth of H&M’s daughter, when we know there was significant behind-the-scenes bullsh-t before Archie was born? How they were told Archie wouldn’t be titled, wouldn’t get security, Charles was looking into amending the whatever act of whatever (btw did they succeed with that?)— if Harry and Meghan voluntarily put their titles “into abeyance,” scrutiny as to why H&M’s daughter isn’t going to be titled makes it seem like H&M’s decision. Only this time H&M don’t have to shut up— they can tell the world that Charles— and Charles specifically— denied their child her birthright because he’s a racist piece of shit.

      • Becks1 says:

        @LaraW – no they have not amended the letters patent yet, my guess is that Meghan bringing up that issue in The Interview put a hold on any talk of it, because it would just prove everything they were saying was right, and the palace has spent the past 2 months insisting that H&M were wrong about the title discussion.

      • JT says:

        @LaraW I don’t think Charles wants their titles stripped. Not because he cares, but because it puts into question Andrew, which people were already pointing out. Also, stripping them of their titles for something as dubious as giving an interview, puts the rest of them in the line of fire as well. What happens if Charles does something the people don’t like? Or people get tired of lazy Katy? Couldn’t their titles be taken then too? It will just get too messy and throw the entire peerage system out of wack, because it could effect everyone else as well.

      • LaraW” says:

        @JT I agree he doesn’t want their titles Officially Removed, but I think he does want them to voluntarily stop using them “like their HRH.” They would still have it by law or letters patent or whatever it is the monarchy uses but are not allowed to use it publicly. I don’t know if there are legal implications, if any, but it’s extremely symbolic.

        The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that Charles put this out. He’s the one who wanted Harry’s exit plans in writing. Now “palace aides” are calling on the Sussexes to “explain” (presumably in writing, in a statement issurd by their spokespeople because I can’t imagine Harry making some kind of speech about it) why they should be allowed to keep using the titles.

        William is not smart enough to come up with an idea like this. Charles must have been thinking about finding a loophole for quite some time. And I really do think this is about their daughter. I mean—

        What If She Has Dark Skin?!? What if the Black Blood outs itself and taints the Lily White Blue Blood!?!?!

        There is no way those conversations aren’t taking place behind closed doors. Like I said, I am here for it. I want to see how the monarchy, they of the “Very Much Not Racist” ilk, reacts to Baby Sussex, now that the whole world is watching and Harry and Meghan are free to speak their truth. No longer silenced.

      • notasugarhere says:

        I think it was W&K scared of SussexRoyal, with William pushing now to get the titles removed. It wasn’t Clarence House frantically buying followers on IG trying to keep up with SussexRoyal. Not only did William try to steal the money from Together, he wanted to destroy what Harry and Meghan had already built with SussexRoyal by denying them the use of it in the future.

      • Saucy&Sassy says:

        LaraW, there’s a comment above that said that Princess Henry was trending on twitter. Then another comment that the Fail story disappeared and all references to it under Meghan on their site. I have a feeling that these two items are linked. It would be hilarious if they (Charles?) decided that they would rather H&M went by Duke & Duchess than Prince and Princess. ‘Cause you know that people would call M Princess Meghan. Especially if it p*ssed off PC.

  14. Miranda says:

    “Woeful lack of compassion”? Really? They’re going there? The people who nearly bullied HRH Meghan, The Duchess of Sussex into suicide and refused to answer her pleas for help are accusing HRH Harry, The Duke of Sussex of lacking compassion? F–k allllll the way off.

    Also, this “BUT THE POOR WIDOWED QUEEN!!!” shit is getting old. They have repeatedly gone out of their way to say that the Queen herself has been good to them. There is nothing wrong with talking about the fact that older generations’ methods of childrearing were problematic. Many elderly people will admit as much themselves.

    EDIT: I’ve actually perused the Daily Mail myself a few times in the past couple of weeks, and their fixation on Harry and Meghan is equal parts disturbing and hilarious. And the comments! Those are some salty bitches.

    • Snuffles says:

      I’m just picturing all these courtiers sipping tea going “All of these FEELINGS, how gauche.”

      • Miranda says:

        “Push it down! Push it down! Push it down until it turns into an ulcer! And don’t you dare complain when it bursts!”

  15. A says:

    If your a British tax payer aren’t you a little pissed that the palace continues to hire idiot pr people? This is one of those times that you actually shouldn’t complain and explain. The sixth in line does a podcast recorded half way across the world, where he lightly touched on his common since thoughts on parenting, and instead of ignoring it and pretending like you have more important things to worry about you make a one day story a damn international crisis. This why you continue to play inadvertent hype man for this podcast episode along with the project Harry was actually there to promote!

  16. Winter Day says:

    Palace aides are a bunch of exhausting whiny little bit&hes. I wish Harry and Meghan would tell them “Hell no we will not give up our titles until that pedo give up his. So until then, fu&k off motherfu&kers and kiss our ever loving asses”.

  17. Catherine says:

    Thank you, thank you for making this point about the titles. I have always believed that the obsession with the Sussexes titles was because it was their married titles. It is an attack on the marriage and an attack on Meghan. Also, remember the birth certificate controversy where she was made to remove her name. The only thing on it is the Duchess of Sussex title. So if it’s taken or given up. Then that would legally invalidate the birth certificate. Her legal connection to her child would be invalidated. I hope now that they are in the U.S. they registered Archie’s birth and he now also has an American birth certificate with Meghan’s name on it. Also, I have no doubt that if they were to give them up. The UK tabloids would immediately spin that against them. I can see the headlines now. “ Sussexes snub poor widowed Queen by rejecting her wedding gift”. This issue is the same as the patronages and military honors. If they get taken then that’s on the family. But the Sussexes shouldn’t have to participate in tje palaces punishment and marginalization of them.

  18. Margaret says:

    Oh for peace sakes, let the queen and the parliament do their jobs and publicly remove said titles, and give cause, before the world.

    I say #neversurenderthe titles. The petty bullies have had their way long enough. If the palace wants to go before the world and ask for their titles, let them do it. Should be one of the last straws for the monarchy. Should be very interesting. To the brf, let the aides who have placed you in the position you are in today, keep giving bad advice.
    To harry and meghan, don’t give in to the bully mob. You have given up enough, it’s a Neverending story with those people.

  19. mariahlee says:

    Remember how Harry was mocked when shortly after they announced they were stepping down, he said that he was “just Harry”. The moment they stopped using their titles, they’d be called ungrateful and pretentious; it would be disrespectful to the old grieving Queen to disown her gift. Just like with Frogmore — the minute it was paid off, they pivoted to their $14M California mansion.

    There is no winning with the BM. Harry knows this and I think at least the Firm is finally understanding that these tactics don’t harm H&M in the grand scheme. I saw a Times excerpt where it was confirmed that no one in the RF with influence was actually pushing on the titles. The BM is desperate.

  20. Noki says:

    I actually think Harry is making it a point to talk more and make a point to do it himself. He wants the haters to hear it straight from the horses mouth and hop off his wife. The last week they have had very little to pin on brain washing ,scheming Meghan now they are actually directly going after him for once.

    • NotSoSocialButterfly says:

      And it is an excellent strategy. H&M are really painting the BRF and RR into a figurative corner with each successive move of simply moving forward in their own lives.

  21. Chaine says:

    How would anyone stop them using the titles, anyway, even if the queen “took them back”? Is the British government going to sue Harry and Meghan for unlawful use of the name Sussex? I mean there are people all over who call themselves Prince of this and Duke of that, even that stupid Countess real housewife, and no governments sue them for claiming to be royalty of things that don’t even exist.

  22. aquarius64 says:

    The royal aides (read certain members of the BRF) want the Sussexes to renounce the titles because there is no legal way to pull them. Parliament has to take the titles away and the bar is high where treason has been committed. Also the quern signed Letters Patent where the titles Duke of Sussex is passed on to the firstborn legitimate son. Archie is heir to the title; Harry and Meghan would not want Archie to lose his birthright.

  23. Margaret says:

    Oh for peace sakes, let the queen and the parliament do their jobs and publicly remove did titles, and give cause, before the world.

    I say #neversurenderthe titles. The petty bullies have had their way long enough. If the palace wants to go before the world and ask for their titles, let them do it. Should be one of the last straws for the monarchy. Should be very interesting. To the brf, let the aides who have placed you in the position you are in today, keep giving bad advice.
    To harry and meghan, don’t give to the bully mob. You have given up enough, it’s a Neverending story with those people.

  24. Alexandria says:

    Why wait for them to give up the titles? Take them, go to Parliament. Go ahead. Not gonna make me love them less.

    Oh what’s that? Too much work for you? Then shut up.

  25. equality says:

    What is “shocking” and “attacking” and “lacking compassion” is the BM. Nothing Harry said was shocking. It has been out there for years. A real journalist would have gone in depth about what was said previously by Charles and “royal experts” instead of trying to incite hate for H&M.
    If the “best” Charles could do didn’t include helping Harry when the press attacked him, with all his PR people, then it’s not a very impressive “best”. He managed to defend Camilla and shut off SM comments when she was getting attacked but not for H&M.
    I looked at the royal website yesterday and Meghan barely has anything under her name. No mention of the smart works clothes or the cookbook. Harry still has Sentebale and Invictus mentioned with a longer write-up and Kate has a long bit about her “early childhood” work. It’s like they can’t bring themselves to acknowledge Meghan did anything and are trying to big up Kate.
    And notice I didn’t call ANY of them by titles. I don’t think these courtiers realize how unimportant the titles are to anyone outside the UK. (And probably not highly important to most in the UK). Harry has only had those titles since his marriage and has been titled by military rank or just Harry or Prince most of his life. Why do they think the other titles are so important to him? The only reason I could see him thinking they are of importance is because they were from his grandmother. It’s his only “wedding gift” he didn’t have to pay for himself.

    • L84Tea says:

      Yeah, I tried to explain to some guy on Twitter about how we don’t care about that stuff. He was trying to claim “poor sad Americans, you wish you had a Monarchy”…um, yeah no. A monarchy is the last thing we want in this country. Nobody cares about titles and all that make-believe garbage. As my father said while watching all the pomp and fuss on tv of Will and Kate’s wedding, “It’s all total horsesh*t!”

      • Kelsey says:

        Our American taxes go to enough bs without having to add a monarchy into it. He is wild. Lmao.

        Will gladly refer to Harry and Meghan as “Prince” and “Princess” just to piss off the Salt Isles.

      • Kristen says:

        Some doofus on twitter actually tried to say that us poor sad Americans WISH we had a monarchy?? Yeah right, lol! I get tired enough of my tax money going to pay for pork barrel promises, and to finance a worthless monarchy on top of that? Because let’s get real, they ARE worthless. The monarchy in modern day society serves no legitimate purpose beyond pure entertainment. And if I need entertainment, that’s why God invented cable tv, lol! Lord knows it’s alot cheaper than financing the luxury lifestyle for the royals.

      • iconoclast59 says:

        OMG, if we instituted a monarchy in the USA, you KNOW who’d be rushing to the front of the line, screaming, “I’M KING!!!!” NO THANK YOU.

    • Gail Hirst says:

      It’s his only “wedding gift” he didn’t have to pay for himself.

      Your sentence struck me as unbearably sad. It’s true. Frogmore was a wedding present .. o my it’s just all so sad…..

  26. Over it says:

    Hellooooo, people on isle of salted bullshit, Chucky himself said in an interview when he was in his forties that he had bad parents who were not there for him growing up. Petty left him when he was what 14 months old to go have 4 or 6 months can’t really remember, of quality time with Phil in another country. So in my opinion, that is the definition of a bad parent.

    left him when he was w

  27. Over it says:

    Also , If I were Harry, I would sit quietly by and let them take those titles if they want, I won’t offer to give them back. You want them, come get them. Let’s see how long it takes the shit to hit the world fan as a result.

    • BlueToile says:

      Yes. I want the entire world to see the titles taken by the British people and/or the Royal Family. I want ALL the Commonwealth counties to see it. Canada and Australia can cheer (just my assumption from a lot of their media articles), while all the others set their plans in motion to leave the day after the Queen’s burial, if not sooner.

  28. lanne says:

    Where are the calls for Pedo Andy and the Rent-a-Kents to “renounce” their titles? Do these idiots understand what they would unleash if the Sussexes lose their titles? They really are a circular firing squad over there. Imagine the Queen’s funeral, with the Duke of York and Prince and Princess Harry of Wales showing up, Harry in civvies while all the royals are in their bemedalled and be ribboned military cosplay.

    You know american and likely australian media would start shortening Prince Harry of Wales to Prince of Wales. So Meghan and Harry become Prince and Princess of Wales the moment the titles are revoked. Media might even call them that to troll the royals.

    I know I will always call them Prince and Princess of Wales if that comes to pass. I would suggest it to the Sussex Squad as well. We should all do that here at Celebitchy, and see if we can get it to catch on.

    Hail, Prince Harry and Princess Meghan of Wales!

    • swirlmamad says: William’s head would incandescently explode.

    • The Hench says:

      “circular firing squad”. The perfect description of the courtiers. Lol.

    • notasugarhere says:

      The ‘Wales’ part would soon be moot, which would mean yet another title change. Harry only had ‘Wales’ as defacto last name because his father was the Prince of Wales. The second the Queen dies, Charles is no longer the POW.

      Harry isn’t the son of William, who will be the POW sooner rather than later. It would likely end up being Prince and Princess Henry of Lancaster if anything.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Adding, the ‘Wales’ part may no longer exist already. When he was born, he was ‘Prince Henry of Wales’ because his father was Prince of Wales.

        When they married, ‘Wales’ was replaced with ‘Sussex’. His title isn’t HRH Prince Henry of Wales, Duke of Sussex. It is HRH Prince Henry, Duke of Sussex. Sussex has supplanted Wales as any part of his name as I understand it.

      • lanne says:

        I know and agree with you, but my point is that most US media don’t know that. The US media likely thinks that Harry goes back to being Prince of Wales, as he was Captain Wales in the army. Calling him and Meghan Prince and Princess of Wales is the ultimate troll, especially if it happens before William gets the title.

        The ratchets would be all over the US media trying to explain what you just said, but once Prince Harry of Wales gets established by the media, that genie will be out of the bottle. No one paid attention to the fact that Diana was not Princess Diana but Diana, Princess of Wales. People magazine has been using Princess Kate instead of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge for years.

        Princess Meghan of Wales for the win! Not because it’s accurate, but because it’s catchy, and it will sell media, which is what matters a heck of a lot more than correct titles.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Except that William is petty enough to legally try to stop the use of ‘Wales’, even in forums or SM, once he is POW. He’d do something like copyright any titles related to ‘Wales’ and start suing people on twitter and tumblr for using those titles when referring to Harry and Meghan.

        They did something like this before. They went after tumblr accounts who were critical of their laziness. The excuse they used was people violating copyright by posting pictures taken from their events. They notable did NOT go after pro-W&K tumblrs who were using the exact same photos.

        Kate did the same years ago in the dating years. Same picture taken on the street, one publication with a pro-Kate headine, one questioning the status of her relationship with William. She went after the negative one for harrassment in taking the pic (the same pic mind you) and left the other alone.

  29. swirlmamad says:

    I’m just laughing at how they are all appalled — “How dare you criticize Charles’ parenting????? He’s just a regular widowed single dad doing his best all these years!!!#?($*!!!”

    Meanwhile, they constantly and straight up accused him of being the posh version of a deadbeat dad in the early 90s, as if we can’t Google that shit in 4.3 seconds. OK then.

  30. Serena says:

    “Palace aides” can stfu, as if anyone care what they think, but really we know who’s behind them *major eye roll * .

  31. Grouchie says:

    Don’t forget that Sarah, Duchess of York still has her title. Like to see them explain that and remove H&M’s titles.

    • notasugarhere says:

      It is her divorced name. Until she remarries, which she never will, it is legally her divorced name.

      • Emmitt says:

        And “The Duchess of Sussex” is legally Meghan’s last name but that’s not stopping “Palace Aides” from trying to force her to stop using her legal name.

  32. Merricat says:

    All that salt is speeding the desiccation process.
    I wonder if they have any awareness that to the rest of the world, they make Britain look like it is populated by huffy thirteen year olds with serious boundary issues.

  33. Over it says:

    Phil might have been legally declared dead about a month ago but let’s be honest, that man has been looking dead for a couple years.

  34. I don’t think the Queen or Prince Charles would dare take the Sussexes’ titles. They are very much afraid of the repercussions this will have globally especially the Commonwealth. This will not go down well for the monarchy.

  35. Simalu says:

    At the risk of disagreeing and with all respect using titles to generate the type of profit and publicity in the land where these titles don’t matter doesn’t seem like a great PR idea. If they are indeed not interested in working with the Firm the titles should be rescinded.

    • Becks1 says:

      Why, though? Not everyone with a title is a working royal.

      No one is tuning in to Dax’s podcast or the Vax Live concert to see a “duke.” they’re tuning in to see/hear Harry. So he’s not using the title to generate any profit or publicity.

      • The Hench says:

        Exactly – the podcast was trailed and titled as with “Prince Harry” not the Dos.

    • mariahlee says:

      I also don’t understand it, from a PR perspective. I get that it’s legally their names, but it’s an interesting choice to build your humanitarian/charitable brand on noble titles.

      • LaraW” says:

        @MariahLee— If this were merely a matter of charitable branding and not a discourse regarding systemic racism, I would agree with you.

      • notasugarhere says:

        They’re using their legal names, not sorry that upsets some of you.

        They’re building their ‘brand’ under the name Archewell, not anything with Sussex in it.

      • LaraW” says:

        @Nota— Just to clarify, I’m not upset they’re using their legal names. I do my personal best to avoid using titles when referring to anyone because the foundational premise of royalty disgusts me. If you (not specifically you, but the general “you”) accept the idea that some people are chosen by god to rule over others, are superior because they have been chosen by god, and that status of holy anointment is passed on by blood, then you also accept the premise that some people were chosen by god to serve the monarch, a status which is also passed on by blood. And the natural conclusion of this logic allows people to embrace the premise that god chose some people to be slaves to others, and that slavery is passed on by blood. And historically, they did use this justification for a very very long time.

        Hail Britannia.

        I am NOT saying I think it’s Harry’s fault for being born into his circumstances, nor do I hold it against him. I just.. have a grudge against history. Also the US managed just fine to use this logic without having a monarchy, so. Major grudge.

        Admittedly this sometimes gives me cognitive dissonance when I’m arguing that Meghan should keep her title and all, but mostly I’m able to distinguish between monarchy Back Then and monarchy as a historical and symbolic institution entrenched in racism as it exists now.

        Can you tell that I took today off from work? I’m tying myself into inarticulate philosophical knots. Where is ArtHistorian? I need them to give a soothing historical explanation of the European monarchies to me. Does Elizabeth still believe she’s appointed by god?

      • HeatherC says:

        From a PR standpoint: Name recognition. Everyone knows who Prince Harry is.

    • Sofia says:

      There are royals with titles who don’t work for the firm. Examples are: Earl Snowdon, Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie and Andrew.

      And that’s not even getting into the peerage who have titles and are private citizens.

    • LaraW” says:

      @Simalu— as I stated to MariahLee, if this were just a matter of branding for charitable endeavors, I would agree. But it is not. It’s a conversation about racism, and the multitude of heinous racist attacks from the media and extremely racist treatment from the palace that Meghan had to endure— and still has to endure— for being a Black woman who married a white prince. The calls of the palace and BM are not motivated by branding. They are motivated by racism. That is the center of this conversation and will always be the center of conversation until the monarchy and tabloid press own up to their collective racism, institute meaningful reform, and apologize sincerely for their abhorrent treatment of Meghan.

      • mariahlee says:

        That’s an interesting perspective. Essentially, not using their titles would be like letting the racists win. I do like the idea of Meghan continuing to disrupt the white supremacist power structure British elitism/the BRF was founded on and is sustained by.

    • Sid says:

      Well, Parliament and the Queen seem to be in no rush to rescind the titles, so that’t that.

    • Emmitt says:

      Beatrice and Eugenie are not working royals. They do not work for “The Firm.”

      Should Beatrice and Eugenie give up their titles and just become “Beatrice Mapelli Mozzi” and “Eugenie Brooksbank?”

    • MissySnow says:

      The only reason H&M are not working for the Firm is because of the abuse from the BM, jealousy from the heirs, briefing against them from the Firm and courtiers. Otherwise, H&M would still be working Royals.

    • Lizzie says:

      The titles were a wedding gift from the queen, do wedding gifts come with strings attached?

      • MerryGirl says:

        Apparently yes in the case of Harry & Meghan since they were bullied into paying back 2.4 million for Frogmore Cottage renovations.

  36. Devs says:

    the palace aides are so aggressively racist and drunk on power that they really don’t seem to have learned their lesson from the oprah interview.
    they will lose.
    all this frothing at the mouth and the constant attempts to attack meghan will backfire tremendously if meghan decides to speak on it again after her birth. regardless of how meghan and harry feel about the royals, republicanism is growing in england and gen z has no interest in kate and will. the ONLY thing that can help their image is bringing meghan and harry back into the fold somehow (never gonna happen) and talking openly and candidly about their mistakes and making a public apology or public amends.

    all they’re doing is digging their own grave. i swear these aides care more about the arcane rules and traditions of that outdated evil institution than actual royals.
    they’re a bunch of parasites just like their bosses the royals.

    • lanne says:

      What they are doing is increasingly linking the royal family, which is supposed to be apolitical, with right wing causes. That was always the tacit truth, but now it’s the active truth. What’s happening now is what the royals feared would happenhad King Edward not abdicated. King Edward was openly admiring of Hitler, he was supportive of fascism. There is the infamous photos of him teaching Elizabeth and her sister the Nazi salute, and the picture of him and Wallace greeting Hitler in Germany (where the Germans put on a big show of giving Wallace the HRH and Royal Duchess treatment she craved).

      No one is minding the institution. An institution that already lacks Gen Z support in the UK, that’s being increasingly coopted by MAGAloonies in America, that a POC majority Commonwealth becomes less invested in, that becomes the face of Brexit in Europe. That’s an institution that’s built on swiftly eroding sand, yet refuses to relocate to higher ground. Apparently it’s only just now occuring to them that the interest in the Sussexes will shadow all of their work from this point forward. These fools won’t know they’re drowning until the water’s up to their noses.

  37. jferber says:

    Aren’t “palace aides” basically employees/servants? WTF right do they have demanding anything of anyone? Nameless ciphers.

    • notasugarhere says:

      They are the ‘Grey Men’ who run the system for their own self-preservation.

  38. Kimberly says:

    Can I ask, who cares about the opinions of Royal aide? They have zero power in bestowing titles, so their catty nonsense is just that…nonsense…

    the more they talk the more I’m like, “Give Meg a crown, a wand and a platinum carriage!!” and I don’t even like Meg, but I really dislike the royal mean girls squad even more

    • NotSoSocialButterfly says:

      Genuinely curious- are you willing to disclose why you “don’t even like”/dislike Meghan? Because that phrasing puts a whole new perspective on your comment. Is is about disdaining the institution of the monarchy? Meghan was a self-actualized, fully functional and independent adult before she met Harry. What’s not to like about that? We cannot help who we love, we just do.

      • KatianaD says:

        Are there any celebs that rub you the wrong way? Being successful and hardworking doesn’t mean everyone will like you. Once you see someone as phony, a sell out, or disingenuous, it’s really hard to unsee it. (I don’t mean all that about Meghan but those are the reasons I dislike certain other celebs.) we all have are reasons for not liking people’s personalities. I thought I liked Paris Hilton until I heard her podcast, same for Gwyneth paltrow (after hearing the goop podcast many times I find her phony.) Meghan has spoken a lot, once you speak you open yourself up more to people’s natural reactions. Hence why Beyoncé was a groundbreaker in not doing interviews, Taylor swift has also followed that somewhat, I’m sure there are some others who followed Beyoncé in this that I can’t think of now.

      • Saucy&Sassy says:

        KatianaD, Do you like Harry? I agree that we all like and dislike people for any number of reasons. Can you explain why you don’t like/dislike Meghan? Does that mean you are neutral?

        Unfortunately, there are any number of people reading these stories that will believe what the palace aides are reported as saying. There is harm in that as I’m sure you know. The question isn’t just why are palace aides talking, but why are they given such a huge platform? It’s not me or you who give these individuals head room, it the the BM tabloid media who are elevating them and giving them importance.

  39. MF1 says:

    I LOL’ed at this part: “They should just become Harry and Meghan. And if they refuse to do that, they have to explain why not.”

    Uhhh, no. H&M don’t have to explain anything. They don’t work for you, they aren’t beholden to you, they owe you nothing.

    • lanne says:

      What will happen is that Harry and Meghan would become the former Duke and Duchess of Sussex, which will still tether them to the RF and make people wonder why they are no longer part of it. Already, they have the problem of seeing Harry and Meghan do great work, and having people wonder, why isn’t this work being done on behalf of the RF?

  40. LMR says:

    It is my sincere hope that after Liz dies, Harry begins the process of becoming a US citizen. If there is any giving up of titles that needs to happen, it can happen at that time and for that reason.

    Britain won’t have the guts to come after the titles forcibly. Not with the Commonwealth relationships hanging by a thread.

    • notasugarhere says:

      There is no giving up of titles required if he were to become a US citizen. The haters tried to prevent Meghan getting a title based on her US citizenship, because they fail to understand the basics of citizenship, titles, and what has been ratified.

      Grace Kelly’s kids (Monaco royals) are all titled and US citizens. Former Kendra Spears, her kids are titled and US citizens. At least one of Princess Madeleine’s kids is a US citizen and titled.

      • Tessa says:

        This intense dislike started early on, even though there are bots ranting about “the interview” and “hurting our Queen.” There were blogs that claimed Meghan was Pregnant at the wedding and the child would not be “legitimate” as a royal since he was conceived out of wedlock. Unreal. Certainly HM and her courtiers noticed but did nothing to protect the couple.

      • Saucy&Sassy says:

        Besides, if Harry became a US citizen, he would have dual citizenship just as his children. Since he would still be a British citizen, why would they need to remove the titles?

  41. Midge says:

    They can’t hurt Harry and Meghan anymore and it’s making the BRF and the press desperate and unhinged.

  42. jferber says:

    Palace aides are underlings and servlings (to coin a word). No validity.

  43. Maria says:

    This is one of those ridiculous moving goalposts.
    People screamed they didn’t deserve to be “half in half out” – they weren’t.
    People said if they wanted to step back from their positions they should leave – they did.
    People screamed they should repay the costs of Frogmore’s renovation – they did.

    They’ve done enough. There is no reason for them to voluntarily give up their titles any more than there is for them to go back to the UK. The people calling for this crap won’t be satisfied no matter what they do. The Sussexes have every right to keep them.
    And if they want to take them away – go ahead. Like everyone else said, it’ll open another Pandora’s box that the Firm can’t contain.

    • lee says:

      If they gave up their titles they would then demand Harry not be called a Prince. It will never end. They will continue to move the goal post. But know this, they will never remove them. If popular opinion from the mob can make a duke loose his title it can also endanger the title of a king or queen. So they should stuff it.

  44. L4frimaire says:

    So some random people at the palace, who refuse to be named, are complaining to the Daily Mail that they want the Sussexes to give up their titles. I want the Daily Mail to give all the money they owe Meghan since she won her law suit against them, and give up their front page to the huge apology they need to print.

  45. Amelie says:

    If Harry and Meghan have to give up their titles, so do Andrew and Fergie. Andrew for obvious reasons. As for Fergie, she has used her duchess title for years. I think it’s one of the reasons why she never remarried, she loved the title too much and also she and Andrew have always had a weird thing. She’s been into super shady stuff when it comes to her finances.

    • Lizzie says:

      Andrew, Michael and Fergie deserve to lose their titles but Harry and Meghan do not. They are pedophiles and grifters while Harry and Meghan have kept to the queens instructions for them only.

  46. Susan says:

    My family manipulated me to do what they wanted by threatening “they’d’ disown me if I didn’t do/did do X” and or “you’ll lose your inheritance if you do this, marry this person, etc” , I chose to do what I wanted and didn’t care about the threats. I found a career and a life where I didn’t need their money—and or approval—to be happy. While I was fully prepared to “lose the family,” the funniest thing happened…they couldn’t/didn’t do any of the above things. And in fact, I kneecapped them, although it wasn’t my intention (I just wanted to live my own life). It was an eye opening experience.

    while I know this is a different scenario (as I am not a blood princess, lol), I wonder if a similar approach is being taken by H and M. “Okay, take our titles. Stop threatening and DO IT.”

    • lanne says:

      Absolutely! And kudos to you! People shouldn’t play chicken unless you’re really prepared to lose the game. Meghan and Harry have nothing to lose, and the RF have nothing to hold over them anymore, even if they don’t know that. I expect some “oops we were just kidding. Bad bad media” at some point. Not for real, but purely as a face-saving measure.

    • Agreatreckoning says:

      @Susan-It is such a liberating feeling, isn’t it! I think you are on to something there. It would actually hurt the BRF more than Harry & Meghan, on a global level, if they were to take the titles away.

  47. Rapunzel says:

    “They should just become Harry and Meghan. And if they refuse to do that, they have to explain why not.”

    They have to explain why they’re using the title that is their legal name? Which was gifted by Harry’s grandma, the Queen? Wouldn’t giving up that name be disrespectful to her?

    And lol at these fools wanting them to be just Harry and Meghan. Don’t you silly aides know that going by only one name only makes you more special? Like Cher, or Madonna, or Beyonce?

  48. lolalola3 says:

    Thank god they got out of that hell hole. I cannot imagine what kind of courage that took.
    Hooray that both Meg & Harry have those a-holes in their rear view mirror.

  49. Liz version 700 says:

    Translation, this is all we have left to harp on because William’s constant temper tantrums are giving us a headache. Will and Kate can’t stand that they are loosing the popularity context, but the titles aren’t why. It is because you are the kind of people who want to take those titles that make you not liked. Just work, do your jobs for once and leave H&M alone

  50. Mia says:

    Most people who have these ridiculous titles are asshats, Meghan and Harry are the exception – not the rule lol.

  51. Beach Dreams says:

    LOL. Clearly some of these idiots are still hoping that no titles will magically vanish H&M’s popularity while magically bestowing their appeal onto W&K. They’ve certainly been trying to capture the Sussex magic with the constant social media rebranding: They eventually became KensingtonRoyal after SussexRoyal was more or less shut down. And now that they’re seeing the major moves and influence H&M are making and having, they’ve switched to Duke and Duchess of Cambridge. It’s just…extremely pathetic.

  52. Eleonora says:

    Worry about Andrew and Kent first

  53. Joanna says:

    Forget that! What about Prince Andrew? Done worse and still has his title.

  54. Truthiness says:

    The queen has pivoted to being a loving grandma to Harry, with full communication, liberated from being Harry’s boss. Charles ought to follow suit with his own class act, as late as it may be, and that path would pay huge dividends. Accept that Harry is a philanthropist of the world now, a prince amongst men who doesn’t need a title to do good. Harry’s success would be a reflection of the family he came from and no drain on the purse. It’s the only win-win here.

  55. Julia K says:

    Palace aides and courtiers are employees. They do not have the authority to advise or make executive decisions. Why is no one at the tabloids pointing this out?

  56. India says:

    Harry is a great human being. He would make a great king. Bully Baldy Boy NO.

  57. Amy Too says:

    This is sort of like The Crown all over again. The Crown made everyone in that family look a little bit more sympathetic than they actually are. It “explained” the motivations and emotions behind, for instance, Charles’ bad behavior by showing that he’s a damaged person who had a difficult upbringing in a weird institution. It made him seem slightly more human, more sympathetic. It made his relationship with Camilla seem like a Romeo and Juliet true love denied sort of thing, so that when he did everything he ended up doing to Diana, we “understood” the motivation behind that behavior. But rather than just ignore the show and let himself be humanized and his last bad behavior “explained” away, he threw a tantrum about the show, drew a bunch of attention to it, and bullied and blustered so much that more people started looking into what actually happened in real life because this Charles guy sounds unhinged and horrible, so what is he hiding?

    And now the family, and Charles, are doing the same thing with Harry’s podcast interview. Harry brought up generational trauma, how the way you are parented and brought up affects the way you parent. He gave his dad an out for the way he treated him. Charles could have been a somewhat sympathetic character here. A lost boy, who grew into a damaged man, who became a distant and aloof parent, BECAUSE of the way he was raised. And his parents raised him that way because they also had trauma and issues and weren’t sure how to be better. Take the win, Charles. But instead, he has to come out b*tching about how cruel and naughty Harry is maligning him by….talking about Harry’s own childhood? Which makes one thing “yeah, I see what you’re talking about, Harry. Your dad is screwed up and very into keeping things secret and pushing feelings down down down.”

  58. Kyliegirl says:

    They can take the titles away. Harry’s (and William’s if he wants to be honest) popularity is tied to being the son of Princess Diana. Harry has said this twice. Once in his Sentebale speech when he said everyone cheered when Diana’s second son got married and in the recent podcast when he mentioned the impact of marrying Princess Diana’s son. The ROTA and royal family can’t stand that Diana is the reason and not his title.

  59. Lizzie says:

    I guess that’s a firm no from the queen so now the courtiers are trying to bully M&H into giving the titles up. NOPE. There is no end to this, next they will want Harry removed from the line of succession or something else.

  60. Freddy says:

    Most Americans called (and still refer to) Princess Diana, as simply Diana, most of us refer to the Sussexes as Harry and Meghan….whatever Daily Mail. That Black American woman walking around with a British prince and a title really drives them nuts…and I love it! LOL!

    • Nivz says:

      This this this!!! Titles make no diff, much like the HRH, beyond the initial “huh”. They’re Harry and Meghan. The power of their story, combined with Diana’s history, far exceeds the titles.

  61. JRenee says:

    That’s a pandora’s box they really don’t want to open..

  62. herhighness says:

    I really hope those who are not of color, can see the viciousness we face. Megan is not even 100% black, yet the 1 drop rule treatment STILL applies.
    Humans are disgusting the way we treat each other. We don’t deserve this beautiful planet. All we do is destroy, pollute and kill.
    There are SO many black women who wish we were never born, ready to die or silently furious as a result of these lived experiences of attack upon us simply for E X I S T I N G
    And ppl wonder why we are angry.

    • Gail Hirst says:

      @herhighness…I’m sorry.
      Yes, many yt’s DO see and know and are appalled by the viciousness
      Humans are humans and as humans, we are a deeply flawed species.
      And again, I’m so deeply sorry for the way the white world has treated you, your brothers and sisters, and all POC throughout the world and Commonwealth. We may not have known better then, but we sure as heck know better now, and like Harry, we ought to be doing everything in our collective power to call out hate for profit and to support H&M and every POC within our sphere. I’m so sorry.