VF: Prince Charles is ‘not vindictive at all, he wants to make peace with Harry’

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Vanity Fair has a new piece by Katie Nicholl, she of the Middleton sources. Nicholl has been wrong about so much regarding the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, but sure, I like to read her stuff because I believe she’s getting all of her information from Kate, Kensington Palace and Carole Middleton. The gist of Nicholl’s story this week is about how the Windsors feel regarding Harry’s mental health talk. This should be seen as a preview of coming attractions for AppleTV+’s The Me You Can’t See, which scares the hell out of the Windsors. Some highlights:

Harry feels like he’s following in a grand family tradition: “He would feel like a hypocrite if he didn’t talk openly,” one source close to the prince said. “It’s all very well people wanting Harry to put a sock in it, but Harry doesn’t think what he’s saying is wrong. He thinks we should all be talking about our emotions. Charles and Diana went on national TV and spilled the beans on all types of issues, so to a degree he’s role-modeling what he witnessed his mother and father doing all those years ago.”

Harry thinks he can help other people: “Harry has been on a personal healing journey for some time, and now he’s ready to talk about it,” said a well-placed source. “He’s had to understand where he’s come from and how what has happened to him has shaped his life. Now he feels he can help others. He will talk about what he went through as a young boy and how it has shaped who he is. He feels that he has to speak about his own experiences in order to be authentic. His mother’s death is a big part of that. He feels he needs to share his own story in order to encourage others to open up. He hasn’t gone into this wanting to attack his family, but to help others.”

Princess Diana’s former private secretary Patrick Jephson has thoughts: “Even now, remembering Diana publicly contrasts with the Palace’s tendency to overlook her contribution and to try to control what we remember of her. I’m glad Harry has the courage and determination to talk about his mother, to share his memories of her, and in doing so remind us of her enduring humanitarian legacy.”

Ingrid Seward grinds her axe: “Charles is probably hurt and angry like any parent would be. But he’s quite pragmatic about his kids and has always felt he has to let them get on with it. He knows he can’t change the past, and he won’t retaliate because he knows it will just make it worse. Over the years he’s had a lot of criticism over his parenting in the press. Deep down he is a very sensitive man, and I think it will hurt having Harry criticizing him so publicly.”

Sources close to Charles speak: “I think Charles has been quite devastated by some of the things Harry has said. He is such a gentle man and a dedicated father first and foremost. Knowing him, he’ll be feeling wretched and will take no joy or happiness in what’s going on within the family. But he will also want to seek a reconciliation. He is not vindictive at all, and he wants to make peace with Harry.”

William is engorged with frustration: William is said to be frustrated by how publicly Harry is talking about his grief. “The problem for William is that he has to live it all over again every time Harry talks about his mother’s death,” said a mutual friend of the brothers. “There is a sense that they both need to move on.” William spoke movingly about his mother and the impact her death had on him for a documentary to mark the 20th anniversary of Diana’s death, but he has said very little since then. Sources close to him say he prefers to remember his mother and honor her legacy through the work he and Kate Middleton do and in how they are raising their children.

How does the Queen feel? The queen, who has always been very private when it comes to her grief, cannot understand why Harry is so intent on revisiting the past and sharing so much of his private grief. According to a source close to the queen, “She feels the problem is the press will want to know more and more. She cannot understand this need to publicize and talk about one’s private grief and personal emotion.”

Charles is not a Victorian: “All Charles has wanted is for Harry to be happy. The Prince of Wales is a very thoughtful person and a very good father. It’s easy to cast him off as a Victorian father, but he’s not that in the slightest. He is warm and affectionate, and I’ve seen that between him and both his sons.”

[From Vanity Fair]

I don’t think Charles is a Victorian at all. William and Kate are the Victorians, the throwbacks to an era when royals dictated their images and did little more than galavant around the countryside. Charles has always been traditional, of course, but in retrospect, you can really see his modernity in many ways. Charles isn’t mad at the mere fact that Harry is speaking about his feelings and mental health. Charles is mad that Harry is making him (Chaz) look like one of many bad guys, another cog in the Victorian machinery of an out-of-touch palace. And the reason why William hasn’t come out, guns ablaze, engorged with rage about Harry’s stuff is because William does agree with a lot of what Harry has said. That’s pretty clear too.

And all of this is about how Harry has not told them what’s in The Me You Can’t See. They’re worried. As they should be. Nicholl’s sources claim that Charles still believes there can be some kind of reconciliation with Harry too. THAT will be an issue for Elegant Baldemort.

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  1. Lauren says:

    The fact that Chuck can be considered more modern than Elegant Baldingham. Wow. Chuck should just remember that it pays more to be a good person in the end. If he had tried to be a better father to his children and a good husband to his wife (or a least had he not tried to gaslight the hell out of her, and mistreated her and her memory) we wouldn’t be here talking about him.

    • Elizabeth Regina says:

      This has the makings of the worst royal soap opera of all time. Diana’s spirit will forever haunt that family. Charles is a disgrace of a father. He pulled his son’s security, putting him at risk and then leaked his location. The inelegant one aka Joffrey of Baldingham has the worst qualities of his parents. A temperamental rageroid who is always throwing his brother and anyone else under the bus for good press. No PR on earth will erase the stain of how they forced Harry to flee with his family. WE see them for exactly what they are.

    • Cecilia says:

      All im reading in these “reconciliation” stories is the same old “harry must come back”. Why? Why is it so important for harry to come back?

      • SarahCS says:

        To prove them all right and get ‘evil Meg’ out of the picture.

      • Anance says:

        W/out Meghan and the children. She’ll get to stay in the US.

        The BRF wants Harry back b/c he is a constant reminder of what horrible people they are. With a pretend reconciliation (the Royals don’t need a real one, nothing is real with them), they can continue having their little Main Street Disney Parades – what they call Trooping of the Color, without discussion of Harry and Meghan visiting some veterans somewhere on the same day.

        It’s for appearances’ sake.

      • harperc says:

        Because in the depths of his cold, self-centered soul, Charles knows that the Monarchy needs H&M far more than they need it. There’s over 1000 years of monarchy in England/Britain/UK, and Charles doesn’t want to be known as The Last King.

        And if he can get H&M back, they can prop up the throne at least until Charles dies. Then it gets passed to ToB, and at that point Charles doesn’t care, because he won’t be Last and thus the one who effed it up.

      • Lauren says:

        Because Harry dumped them and he is fcking THRIVING! Harry leaving and doing great, doing charity while a private citizen, and showing that you can grow a family without having to feed your children to the media is setting a worrisome precedent for the Cambridge children and thus possibly the dissolution of the monarchy. It also raises the question as to why is there a need for a royal family if they can get jobs and do charity, why should taxpayers be paying for some mediocre people to show up places for half an hour?

      • BothSidesNow says:

        @ Lauren, I think you hit the nail on the head. Why are the British taxpayers paying so much into this family that does nothing for them? They see a price who has become self sufficient with many jobs, continuing his campaign of service, all the while the rest of the RF sit on their asses doing nothing. And doing nothing for them!! They go out and thank the staff at the NHS but we don’t see a drive by the RF to give them raises or bonuses, so it sounds so empty. They have billions of dollars, luxurious multiple properties, a private helicopter and unlimited funds. Plus they are stuck with Dull and Duller who do nothing to earn their keep. Where as we have Princess Anne doing 3x’s the engagements that Dull and Duller can’t seem to do a fraction of what she does.

  2. Snuffles says:

    Charles is neither gentle, sensitive or thoughtful. Maybe he was growing up but he’s become hardened and manipulative. And of course he isn’t striking back, he knows Harry is right. He’s accepted the cage he is in but he has no right to demand others have to.

    • lanne says:

      Charles turned his 12 and 15 year old sons into human shields to keep him from getting booed by the public during Diana’s funeral. He can take all the seats. That’s as shitty and cowardly of a thing that a parent can do.

      • Tessa says:

        Charles was very hard hearted to Diana. He courted her when she was a teenager and saw how besotted she was with him. Yet knew he did not love her then he ditched her after she had the heir and spare for him. He is not gentle, sensitive or thoughtful.

      • Elizabeth Regina says:

        Yup. That was what made up my mind about him. A man in his 30s who deliberately sought out and groomed a teenager is not a gentle or kind person. There is a name for such a man.

      • Will go you one better, LANNE. Many reliable sources have said, that Charles spoke openly that he was terrified someone would put a bullet in him around the time of Diana’s funeral. According to some bios about Diana’s death, even his actions of flying to Paris, etc., had more to do with his own fears as to the hatred he believed would well up and endanger him, then it did about doing the right thing. Does that mean, I think he didn’t grieve or have regrets? No, I’m just saying it wasn’t necessarily his first concern. He was truly terrified that he would be blamed for her death and that it would get ugly. And yet, he demanded his sons walk with him! I think he was seriously putting them in harm’s way, and, once again, in his own mind, it was all about Charles, his PR, and what he needed and wanted. I agree, Charles used his sons as human shields, but his actions went beyond just his fear of being booed.

    • STRIPE says:

      I believe *he believes* he is LOL

    • Noodle says:

      Him as a father “first and foremost” flies in the face of every piece of evidence we’ve ever seen of him. Even in the “Charles at 70” doc, Harry and William focused on his work, and how dedicated he was to it. They talked about finding him face down, sound asleep on papers, because he worked so much he couldn’t stay awake. I would believe he is sensitive, but he needs to also start acting like it, rather than a workaholic whose sole contribution to his children is a business enterprise.

      • Elizabeth Regina says:

        He is sensitive alright. To his image, his mistress and his work. To his sons, not so mucch.

    • Myra says:

      I consider him sensitive on certain issues but not in relation to family or others. He wasn’t sensitive to Diana’s pain nor to Harry’s. He abruptly cut financial and security support, putting his son’s life at great risk. We are talking today about Diana’s lack of security contributing to her death. Since Charles is aware of that, why do the same to your son and grandchild, unless you are vindictive?

      • SenseOfTheAbsurd says:

        He’s sensitive and emotional, but only when it comes to himself, doesn’t give a damn about anybody else’s feelings, they’re only there to serve his narcissism.

  3. Amelia says:

    “William is frustrated” what happened to him being an elegant man?

    • Anance says:

      Different PR flaks.

    • fluffy_bunny says:

      Elegant Will came from the Midds PR machine. Frustrated Will comes from Charles’ PR machine.

      • Amelia says:

        Can a man be both elegant and frustrated at the same time? At this point that juggling image form Ireland seems to be the most fitting.

  4. Merricat says:

    Charles could change it all if he were brave enough. Harry will never come back, not as a working royal, but they could mend their relationship if Charles is willing to take some accountability. What a thing that would be.

  5. Becks1 says:

    So William is an elegant man, Charles is a gentle man….what’s next??

    And LOL to the idea that William is honoring his mother’s legacy with his work. WHAT WORK?!?!?!

    • Over it says:

      Omg, this exactly. These two don’t work but Kate likes to copycat Diana wardrobe from the eighties. She just says no to Diana work ethic and warmth to peasants.

  6. Laura-Lee MacDonald says:

    My partner and I get a kick out reciting out the words of various ‘sources’ and ‘journalists’ as if we were in a powdered wig and pox-scarred era costume drama about the shenanigans of the court. It really seems (to the barely educated about BRF history me) that nothing has changed except Harry and Meghan are less likely to be thrown in the Tower.

  7. Nomegusta says:

    No, he wants Harry’s silence.

  8. mary.kearney@aol.com E Kearney says:

    Good father’s spend time with their grandchildren. Amazingly this man of extraordinary means could manage to see Archie twice in his lifetime. Charles has only ever cared about Charles and the Rotwieller.

  9. Seraphina says:

    I think Wills is deeply traumatized and needs a spot on AppleTV+’s “The Me You Can’t See”.

  10. Jaded says:

    “Wanting to make peace” and actually “making peace” are two entirely different things. Saying through VF that you want to make peace punts the ball back into Harry’s court making it HIS responsibility to extend the olive branch. We know he’s already done that and been rebuffed so no amount of wanting is going to make any difference. This is just passive-aggressive BS and if Charles really wanted to he would have made peace by now and forced TOB and his ice-queen wife to make some effort at behaving like mature adults instead of spoiled brats. Charles first and foremost needs to have a come-to-Jesus meeting with Mean and Keen if this mess is ever to be resolved.

    • Jay says:

      I would love for Charles or William to be asked what they think this “peace” will look like, exactly – How do they think the “firm” will work in 10 or 15 years? What does this peace look like for them, and what would have to be done to achieve it? They don’t seem to know. It’s easy to wish for your problems to suddenly disappear, but it’s another thing entirely to do the work to make that happen.

      It seems like this article is suggesting that “peace” will be achieved by Harry being silent, somehow reverting back to his “spare” role in the family and not bringing up uncomfortable topics. That’s not peace, that’s delusion!

  11. Tessa says:

    Charles is an Edwardian father and husband. His mentors were Mountbatten and the Queen Mum.

  12. Jay says:

    I’m sure both Charles and William are probably not happy to be in conflict with Harry, but the solution is not to shut him up. They still think about Harry’s trauma in terms of their own discomfort – how dare he bring up the past? How dare he criticize his family’s behaviour? I always get the impression that they would love to reconcile with Harry, so long as “reconcile” means he will accept whatever they say and be quiet. Obviously, that’s not gonna happen.

    It is not surprising that Harry discussing his mother’s death is triggering for William, causing him to relive it, but the solution would be for William to take his own foundation’s advice and seek help in processing that trauma, not pushing it down and “getting on with it”. I kind of think Harry’s recent interview where he talked about entering therapy because he was “stuck” at the age of 12 emotionally was a little message to his brother to seek help, too.

    If William really believes that there should not be stigma in seeking help with mental health, he might seek help, too, and I hope he does.

    • Dierski says:

      ‘I always get the impression that they would love to reconcile with Harry, so long as “reconcile” means he will accept whatever they say and be quiet.’ – Exactly, Jay. My impression as well.

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  13. Tessa says:

    How come no mention of Meghan? Just Harry that Charles wants to reach out to. So Harry could be part of will and kate’s family and leave Meghan?

    • Hannah says:

      Was Charles sensitive and gentle when Meghan was suicidal or when the palace was refusing Meghan and Archie security? He was *at best* absent and apathetic.

  14. Millennial says:

    It will never stop boggling my mind that the people who chose mental health as their central campaign get so upset by one of their own sharing their own mental health struggles

    • RoyalBlue says:

      william wants to get out of the mental health talk (unless it involves having a few pints with the lads) and only talk about the environment.

      • MsIam says:

        Wasn’t the whole “mental health Heads Together” thing more Kate and Harry anyway? And Kate probably did it to have an excuse to be around Harry more.

    • Lady D says:

      I wonder if W&K will slowly and quietly drop mental health as their crusade? It is clear that Harry and eventually Meghan are going to have a huge, if not global reach with their mental health campaign. There is no way Cain and Unable are going to come out on top here. One is sincere, one is just going through the motions and it shows.

  15. Woke says:

    Seems pretty clear to me Charles and Harry could mend their relationship, they will never be close but they can be in a place where they could I don’t know call each other twice a month or something. And that will be possible only if at least Meghan is cleared of the bullying allegations.
    Now, I wish the focus can be on their work and not their personal lives after this.
    Only talk about the royal family when provoked.

  16. Asking for a friend says:

    I mean, Elegant Baldemort is just amazing.

    As much as I dislike EB, what Harry has said about his 12 year old boy coming out, I can’t help but have some compassion for the balding other. He should work out his issues, of course, so he doesn’t get a pass.

    • Becks1 says:

      It’s a tricky spot, it’s actually not unlike how I feel about Charles. I can understand, to a large extent, why Charles is the way he is (not completely, but somewhat.) He had a father who just didn’t understand him, who shuttled him off to a school that was apparently the worst possible fit for him, his mother was never around because she was the Queen, so he was most aligned with the Queen Mother, who had her own ideas about the role of the Crown and its importance, and Lord Mountbatten. I think no matter what Charles was going to have issues as a father, because he didnt really have the best role models for that, and his childhood seems very lonely and yet very structured. But knowing that doesn’t excuse actions like taking away Harry’s security, or throwing Harry under the bus for decades to make himself and his heir look better, etc.

      I feel the same way about William – I can understand to some extent how his childhood and his mother’s traumatic death must have impacted him, and how that must still affect him to this day in so many ways – we heard Harry talk about how he didn’t even like being in London – what if William feels similarly, and yet is forced to be in London for work? What if William didn’t want to have his wedding at the place where his mother was buried but felt he had to for some reason, and that explains his coldness on his wedding day? etc. But having compassion for the boy who was, and even the man he is today, doesn’t give him an excuse for his actions towards his brother.

      So it’s complex because you can feel compassion but that doesn’t give him a pass, like you said.

      • Asking for a friend says:

        Very well said, Becks1!

      • Over it says:

        Agree with you becks. But I went back to thinking of what Harry said about Meghan crying into her pillow before the Oprah interview aired and again when she was 6 months pregnant with Archie and I became triggered and I don’t know her . So like you said William nor Charles doesn’t get a pass because no one in that palace spits without those two permission. They did this and continue to do this to Meghan, so when the abuse stops , then maybe my compassion for those two bullies can begin. However don’t hold your breath because what they are doing to her is unforgivable

    • MsIam says:

      That’s why people like the Middletons are so toxic to William, he needs someone to encourage him to put in the work and get the help. All of that coddling is the last thing he needs, it just reinforces everything. Part of it may be the “chosen by god, invincible” thing where royals are not supposed to show weakness but for the sake of his own kids I hope he gets help.

      • Merricat says:

        Also, the Middletons love being big fish in the little pond and are perfectly fine with no more than that, so they encourage his worst fascist tendencies–when really, the ffk needs to have an eye on how he’s being received by the rest of the world. So far, not good.

  17. Amy Bee says:

    Charles is not vindictive. Really? His treatment of Diana and Harry says otherwise. As for William, he’s not a mental health advocate and the public and press should stop believing that he is.

  18. Pinkytoe says:

    Seemed pretty vindictive to me when he withheld money for security or when he wouldn’t answer calls or when he briefed against them or when he… I dunno did a million other vindictive things.

    • Anance says:

      I suspect other stuff, too. When Diana and Charles separated, the press detailed poor Charles’ considerable expenditures. Among them was a sizeable yearly contribution to a trust fund for Harry, plus Charles’ plans to leave Highgrove to Harry.

      I bet he took that away when Harry left. He already commandeered much of Diana’s jewelry to Camilla as part of the Princess of Wales jewels. I am talking about new gems that were not part of the Princess stash until Diana’s wedding. Camilla has been photographed wearing them. Although initially to be split in half b/t the brothers, Harry has no access to them and can’t give them to Meghan.

      And, where’s the Saudi sapphire suite and the Kuwait set Diana received. Those were hers.

      • MsIam says:

        Aren’t those Saudi sapphires the ones Kate wears?

      • lanne says:

        The big sapphires that Kate wears all the time are Saudi. Kate will be ragged on when she wears them again. Here at Celebitchy, I volunteer as tribute to lead the ragging and point out the hypocrisy.

      • Anance says:

        @lanne – You must point them out! I help drag her.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Anything that Diana received as a ‘gift’ of the wife of the POW never belonged to her. They would be considered gifts to the UK government, logged, and owned by the government.

        Whomever wrote that didn’t know what they were talking about. Charles could never legally leave Highgrove to Harry, because Charles doesn’t own it. The Duchy purchased it, at Charles’s request, to be the married home of the Duke of Cornwall. The Duchy owns the property, the board controls it. If Charles wanted Harry to have it? He’d have to convince the Board to sell it to Harry at market rate.

    • Over it says:

      Me too. Yup vindictive and spiteful

  19. Lizzie says:

    Charles has always been and will always be jealous of anyone in the spotlight that he believes belongs to himself, Diana, Andrew, Harry and Meghan. If Charles felt fatherly he would not have taken off to Wales the day after Philips funeral and turned his back on Harry. He would have used his sm to acknowledge Harrys anniversary. No, he is vengeful.

    Also, why does The Other Brother have so many feelings about Harry. It’s really none of his beeswax what Harry does. He goes on as if he is Harry’s father or something. Maybe someday when he is king he will have legitimate reason to weigh in but until then he should shut his pie hole.

    • Zebz says:

      I find Williams disposition as described in these stories unsettling. The Wooten stories actually give a incestual sexual abuse undertone. Especially the letter. Disturbing.

      • Nyro says:

        Zebz, I thought the same thing but didn’t want to say anything. That whole feel of that letter was beyond creepy and if it is really William briefing to Dan Wootton, he’s disturbed.

  20. Wiglet Watcher says:

    Harry is blowing holes in the Windsor’s facade and they want him quiet. After TMYCS comes out I’m sure another story about how Harry can’t be forgiven will be published.

  21. Laugh or Cry says:

    Umm correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t that require him to answer his son’s phone calls?

  22. Wilma says:

    I find it funny sources usually only come out of the woodwork when there’s some information already available for them to riff on.
    They never tell us something six months in advance.

    • Curious says:

      sources , friend, a palace aid are just cover up for their lies. the press made up the info themselves.. to cover their lies they say , a source,and aide a friend said. and they never name a person by name. if the press said, susan that works in the palace said this and that , then everyone will want to talk to susan,and susan will say i never said a word to the press. which means susan can sue them for lying ….

  23. Izzy says:

    No, Charles is as Victorian as the rest of that ratchet family. They play these stupid palace intrigue games that they used to play in the 19th century, not acknowledging or realizing that it just doesn’t work in the 21st century real-time information age.

    It’s remarkable to see a group of people so completely awful at reading the room, doing it so publicly, and continually not learning a damn thing from their same stupid mistakes.

  24. Maria says:

    I hope I am allowed to come to Charles ‘s defense, at least to an extent. Diana’s death was a terrible tragedy, and few of us will ever forget it. My husband died when my boys were 9 and 14, and I can sort of understand what Charles went through. The problem is you don’t know what to do. And like Charles, my older son, at 14 was eventually able to work it out. My younger one still has anxiety issues and is seeing a therapist. Also did alcohol and some drugs in his twenties. He is now 35. Charles was left as the sole parent of these two boys, as I was. And no, you cannot be both mother and father, you can only be yourself, and there is really no one who is as heavily invested in the children as you are. So he was left to muddle along as best he could. I think he broke the cycle to the extent that at least he didn’t send Harry to Gordonston, and I don’t think he bullied Harry at least not to the extent that he was bullied by his own father. Don’t forget, his mother merely shook his hand upon her return from a 5 month tour abroad. That, unfortunately is Charlie’s role model. I really deplore Charlie’s treatment of Diana and I still dislike Camilla intensely, but I think under the circumstances, he did the best he could.

    • TigerMcQueen says:

      Unfortunately, the ‘self’ Charles was able to be appears to be someone who remained distant and removed from his sons’ emotions and their day-to-day functions as teenagers. He saw them, what, about 12 times the year after Diana died? (Someone might have that number, but IIRC, it was a shockingly low number of times.)

      While no one is as heavily invested in your kids as you are, that’s in most cases. But it’s not always the truth (as I witnessed personally with my maternal grandfather). Over the years, Charles publicly has come across as much more invested in his personal causes, Camilla (and even her kids and grandkids) than in his own sons. He might feel all the feels for his sons, but the best he could was not much. And Harry, the recipient of that behavior, seems to understand that and isn’t coming across as blaming his dad. He blames the system they’re stuck in and doesn’t want his own family to be victims of that toxicity.

      I thought it was really telling that in The Me You Can’t See he said he felt more at home in Afghanistan than he did back home. When a war zone feels more comfortable than home, something is effed up, and thank goodness Harry is seeking treatment. The other Windsors would do well by themselves to get therapy as well.

    • Becks1 says:

      I’m sorry that you went through that, even if it was years ago.

      I can actually forgive Charles for a lot of his behavior when the boys were younger – not all of it – but a lot – for the reasons you mentioned. Charles was never going to be able to replace Diana for the boys, and I do think Charles was more physically affectionate with the boys than his parents were with him.

      It’s the behavior in the last 5 years that I find unforgiveable. Letting William actively brief against Harry in the press, throwing Meghan to the wolves to protect William, cutting off Harry’s security, suggesting that Meghan keep working because there wasn’t enough money to “support” her as a working royal – but plenty of money for Kate’s coatdresses and multiple houses etc.

  25. Lizzie says:

    There is only one reason to send this hack out there to say Charles is not vengeful and it is because there is evidence of his vengefulness all over.

  26. RoyalBlue says:

    William gave an awful speech last night, the words he spoke could have easily come straight from Charles’ mouth. I am horrified that a father would manipulate his son to slam his mother in such a manner. Charles knows where the phone is if he is serious about making peace with Harry. He has no such desire. Charles is vindictive and is desperately trying to rehabilitate his image as a detached, entitled, unloving, spoiled, petulant bastard. Wearing cufflinks from Camilla on your honeymoon?!!! I was leaving him right then and there.

    • Saucy&Sassy says:

      RoyalBlue, I haven’t heard the speech that William gave. I’ve seen some posts that called his Mother paranoid and jealous. All I can say is that I heard those words in my head when I read the info reported above. Well, I think he undid that good (?) that I think this was supposed to do. Geez, just can’t help but show himself. Does it never occur to any member of that family that sometimes the best thing you can do is be silent?. And, if they can’t be silent, then how about acknowledging Harry’s pain?

  27. MaryContrary says:

    Did the Queen and Prince Philip feel hurt and betrayed when Charles talked either openly or through aides/writers/friends about he was abandoned emotionally by them as a child, sent to Gordonstoun to toughen up, which he hated, and only felt love and comfort from his grandmother?

  28. Bess says:

    Which party started the mutually abusive relationship between the BRF and the British media? The Royal family wants to blame the media for publishing their scandals, but then also leaks information or sends out surrogates to talk to the same media.

    • booboocita says:

      I’d like to know the answer to this, too. There’s an episode in The Crown (second season, I think) in which Elizabeth is semi-forced to be more open about whom she greets, and to give a Christmas address on television, by a reporter called Lord Altrincham or something like that (he later renounced his title and became plain ol’ John Grigg). Was that when the abusive relationship started? Other members of the press decided that they could be more familiar with the RF, the RF started courting the press to get better/more positive coverage, and it’s just grown since then? Or is there something more insidious in effect?

      • Ann says:

        I remember that episode. He was in the dentist’s waiting room and Elizabeth was giving a speech on the radio. The speech was condescending and delivered in a prim, dull manner, so he wrote about it. But when he was interviewed, he said the reason he wanted her to do better when speaking to the public was because he supported a constitutional monarchy as a system of government, and wanted it to continue and not die out due to lack of effective communication with the public. So she gave the Christmas address and started doing more, but she resented it, at least at first.

        But no matter that they have made themselves more open, it hasn’t helped. It hasn’t necessarily hurt either, but this family still seems out of touch. That’s why they needed to modernize. They needed Harry and Meghan, and they drove them away.

  29. Reece says:

    I think Charles found his escape in the Duchy and, yes, Camilla. So instead of changing the system, as The Heir, (& oh idk, not dragging a young woman with just as many family problems as he into the fray) he escaped them. Resulting in good things for other people outside of his bubble (The Prince’s Trust) but compounded the family trauma within and weighed down his sons.
    Yeah I’m sure William deep down does ultimately agree with Harry about their childhood. However, instead of changing/fixing the system himself. He manifested and married his projection. He’s going to implode one day but they’ll probably cover it up.
    Harry is the one who finally said GFYs to whole institution.

  30. Liz version 700 says:

    Dude we have seen who you are. All the leaking to the press doesn’t change what people can see with their eyes. You are a sociopath Charles and you raised a FFK who is an even worse

  31. HK9 says:

    The fact that he stopped taking Harry’s calls tells me all I need to know about Charles.
    He didn’t lift a finger when Megan was being smeared. Literally, one phone call with a polite “cut it out’ would’ve done wonders-but no.

    The best apology is changed behaviour and we’ve yet to see it.

  32. MsIam says:

    I’ve said it before Tyler Perry is more fatherly towards Harry than Charles. I think the only reason why the Charles camp is putting these fake stories out here about him wanting to reconcile is as a counter to the other stories about what a jerk father he is.

    • Julia K says:

      Also David Foster, who arranged the Vancouver Island rental, and his wife, Katherine, who has known Meghan since school days, have been very supportive.

  33. Jay says:

    From the firm that brought you “Very much not a racist family” comes the sequel, “not vindictive at all”. Coming to theatres this summer!

  34. Harper says:

    It’s all just words from Charles. Charles is the perfect example of sins of omission. Those hard to do things that should be done but no one will call you out immediately for letting it slide and as a result, human misery and isolation continue on and multiply. Charles has actively done more good things for strangers through The Prince’s Trust, and friends and strangers have done more good things for his own son Harry, in Harry’s time of need. Even today, if he cared, Charles could hop on a plane and fly to Montecito and say I’m here and I want to be with you. There is nothing stopping Charles from doing that except for the fact that he doesn’t want to. And why doesn’t he want to? That is the question that needs an answer.

  35. Kitty says:

    I watched Prince Philip documentary last
    night on Netflix, they said that the narrative about the Queen and Philip are false, that indeed for their generation they where hands on and progressive and de reason Charles went to Scotland is because Philip had such a wonderful time there, wanted to pass his positive experience onto Charles ! Charles is full of self pity and although successful through his work, thought only of himself ever. Royal or common its a major self centered flaw.

    William l feel is very unhappy and has been for years, loves his children no doubt but it always looks like he is going through de motions with them, he should of never married Kate as royal reporters said at de time they friends but nothing more…..its a shame as just before he married he did a tour of New Zealand and has never looks happier, that alas l haven’t seen that happiness since ! He needs to make amends with Harry and accept his decision, with both Princes been at peace with Charles and themselves.

  36. Athena says:

    That’s a great picture of the men of the house of Windsor.

    The whole treatment of Meghan and of Harry and Meghan is such a massive fail. Other Royal houses should be taking notes as to what not to do. The whiteness of the British monarchy was never in jeopardy and they could have looked modern and progressive in the 21st century had they welcomed her.

    I have never seen such a relentless never ending attack on a human being who has done nothing wrong. The British Royal family and the British people have shown the world who they are and it can’t be unseen. When Presidents, Prime Ministers and diplomats meet with the family this will be in the back of their minds, the royal family has figuratively shown us their asses. Kate’s flash was a preview of things to come. there’s no more awe, or respect. These people have lost all credibility.

  37. Likeyoucare says:

    Charles need to becareful with his minions.
    This is still a small step from harry.
    If anything happen to harry’s family, i am sure harry will attack the monarchy.
    Imagine if he leed the commonwealth countries to claim back their wealth that british had stolen.
    Imagine that charles.

  38. FicklePickle says:

    Realistically speaking the Cambridges are not Victorians, they’re Edwardians.

    Victoria and Albert were open and ardent progressives who utterly despised the Tories and the ‘established order’, and yeah, while the popular image of the typical Victorian is the repressed busybody who resents change the reality is that the Victorian Era was one of immense social reform and the beginning of legal protections for workers, children, and women. And the massive infrastructure reforms and public works projects, like sewers in cities and HUUUUGE changes and expansions in public health laws. They were undoubtedly racist, sexist, classist, and more than a little trigger happy on declaring someone a moral ‘lost cause’, but they were trigger happy because they were trying to sweep away several centuries worth of overwhelming corruption and EXCEEDINGLY degenerate behavior even by modern standards.

    The typical Edwardian, on the other hand, tended to feel that the Victorians were a bunch of killjoys. Why waste time and money on soup kitchens for the poor when you could use it for hunting, shooting, and balls? Public works could still be a good way to make sure your name would be remembered forever, though, so things like sewers and bridges were still a go.

    AAaaaaaand then WWI kinda made them turn to near compulsive partying to cope with the trauma while they ransacked the economy during the 20s.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Victoria an ardent progressive? LOL. She disappeared and failed to do her job for decades because her hired husband died. She hated all of her children and she was vehemently anti-feminist.

      ‘I am most anxious to enlist everyone who can speak or write to join in checking this mad, wicked folly of “Women’s Rights,” with all its attendant horrors, on which her poor feeble sex is bent, forgetting every sense of womanly feelings and propriety. Feminists ought to get a good whipping. Were woman to “unsex” themselves by claiming equality with men, they would become the most hateful, heathen and disgusting of beings and would surely perish without male protection.’ – Queen Victoria

  39. Shazze says:

    Sources close to Charles speak: “I think Charles has been quite devastated by some of the things Harry has said. He is such a gentle man and a dedicated father first and foremost. Knowing him, he’ll be feeling wretched and will take no joy or happiness in what’s going on within the family. But he will also want to seek a reconciliation. He is not vindictive at all, and he wants to make peace with Harry.”

    No, we’re talking about Prince Charles, not Mr Rogers. You know, the cold, selfish, self-important, useless royal.

  40. Shazze says:

    William is engorged with frustration: William is said to be frustrated by how publicly Harry is talking about his grief. “The problem for William is that he has to live it all over again every time Harry talks about his mother’s death,” said a mutual friend of the brothers. “There is a sense that they both need to move on.”

    What Brits don’t seem to get is that ‘moving on’ doesn’t heal you. Don’t be afraid to feel, that’s how you heal, for God’s sake.