A ‘palace source’ insists that Prince Harry didn’t inform the Queen about the name

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Royal gossip is such a crapshoot these days. You never know which part of any story, interview or narrative will blow up into some royal-commentator’s hissy fit. When the Duke and Duchess of Sussex announced the birth of their daughter on Sunday, the commentators were caught off-guard by the lack of leaks from Montecito and the lack of leaks from their palace sources. If palace aides in Kensington Palace, Clarence House and Buckingham Palace had known anything about the birth of Lilibet Diana, that would have been the front page of all the Sunday papers in the UK. So that became the bizarre focus – partially – of the royal rota in the days since. Why didn’t Harry inform palace aides? What did the Queen know and when did she know it? Did the Queen give her “permission” to use her nickname for baby Lilibet Diana?

Sources close to the Montecito palace (heh) have insisted that Harry informed his grandmother both of Lilibet Diana’s birth and her name. The royal rota doesn’t know what to do with that information, and neither do palace aides. I feel like there are people freaking out in Buckingham Palace at the thought of the Queen chatting with Harry regularly and not informing them about it. All of which leads to this story, from the BBC:

The Queen was not asked by the Duke and Duchess of Sussex about naming their daughter Lilibet, a Palace source has told the BBC. The source disputed reports in the wake of the announcement of the name that Prince Harry and Meghan had spoken to the Queen before the birth.

But a Sussexes’ spokesperson insisted they would not have used the name had the Queen not been supportive. They said the monarch was the first family member the duke had called. The spokesperson said: “The duke spoke with his family in advance of the announcement – in fact his grandmother was the first family member he called. During that conversation, he shared their hope of naming their daughter Lilibet in her honour. Had she not been supportive, they would not have used the name.”

Following Lilibet’s birth, it was widely presumed that Harry and Meghan had first spoken to the Queen about the choice of name. There were subsequent stories in the press quoting “friends” of the couple who strongly suggested that Harry had sought permission from his grandmother.

The Times also reported that it understood the Queen had been informed by Harry about the name. And a source close to the Sussexes also told the BBC that Harry had spoken to the Queen before the birth and “would have mentioned the name” – claims a Palace source has since disputed.

[From BBC]

Just to recap, the Sussexes’ spokesperson is saying clearly and on the record that Harry spoke to his grandmother before and after Meghan gave birth, that the Queen knew about Lilibet Diana before the Sunday morning announcement, and that the Queen had been supportive (however explicitly or implicitly) of the use of her nickname. And an unnamed “palace source” is refuting the part about Lili Diana’s name. There’s an effort afoot to insist that Harry “blindsided” his grandmother about the name specifically. Because those palace sources can’t claim that Harry never called his grandmother, because A) they don’t know and B) they suspect it’s the truth and they’re mad that the Queen didn’t tell them. So they’re making it all about “Harry didn’t tell granny about the name.”

Omid makes a point:

Update: According to the Times of London, the Sussexes “issued a legal warning” against the BBC for this report. The Sussexes are saying it’s libelous to claim that they didn’t consult the Queen about Lilibet’s name, and they’re threatening to sue the BBC.

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  1. Belli says:

    Translation: Palace source furious that Queen didn’t tell them about phone call with own grandson.

    • Eleonor says:

      And they can’t say too much because I mean she is THE QUEEN and if Petty Betty wants to chat with her grandson she does it.
      I have this image of Petty Betty with a tablet (hidden somewhere) zooming with Harry in the middle of the night. LOL

      • Lorelei says:

        And now I have an image of her sneaking it out from under her mattress every night after she’s sure everyone’s gone

    • Nomegusta says:

      Yup, they’re upset they don’t have the chance to sell her grandson out. I’m sure they’re nervous their tabloid overloads feel slighted and are trying to save face.

      …bet y’all a quarter Angela Kelly and Jason Nauf are sitting on a nice chunk of Daily Fail change for leaking and lying to the Royal Roaches

    • Merricat says:


    • S808 says:

      Yeah they’re PISSED and you can tell lmaoooo

    • PEARL GREY says:

      #MyPalaceSource strikes again. Aides, insiders, courtiers, senior staff, whatever they want to call themselves, they all continue to show that they don’t know anything about Harry and Meghan, and routinely brief the press with lies in the absence of any real news.

      They are mad as hell that Queen Petty may be having secret chats with her grandson and his wife, and the rota rats are even more mad that they can’t write the “Our Queen finally disowns traitor Harry!” story they have been dying to, especially with all the effort they have made to convince the public that Harry “trashed” her. They know that each phone call ruins the “Her Majesty is horrified/blindsided/devastated/disappointed with Harry” headlines they run with every time Harry breathes, so the baby name has been a huge blow to months of hard work the courtiers and press pack have put into speaking for the Queen. But I suspect nobody is madder than permanently rage-engorged Willileaks, who wants to be seen as the loyal monarchist next to his linchpin wife as the only royal grandchild and spouse team the Queen can depend on. How dare the Queen continue to sneak private calls with exiled Harry after Elegant Will went on national TV to throw his dead mom under the bus to protect the institution? They are all fuming.

    • Snazzy says:

      And so begins the search for the burner phone she keeps in her handbag

      • LMR says:

        Exactly. They’ll be sneaking into her stuff while she sleeps to find the burner phone. Going through the mail to find anything postmarked from California.

        They are running out of time because once the queen croaks, H&M won’t be calling and trusting the next 2 guys in line. Any Sussex info connection dies with her.

      • Persephone says:

        I personally suspect that Harry gave her a burner phone (that he pays for) either before he left in March 2020 or at the Phillip’s funeral earlier this year. Along with a charger too.

      • booboocita says:

        Let’s hope she’s hiding the burner phone in her bra. Then again, I don’t think the men in gray would search there, but you never know.

      • Nina says:


      • RoyalBlue says:

        I am secretly hoping that Eugenie keeps the burner, and goes over to have tea with her gran, signs her on to the zoom call then waves bye bye to the courtiers on the way out.

    • Me says:

      I really wonder how much money the Tabloids are spreading around to offshore accounts about which Inland Revenue knows nothing. All this fuss is not just PR from the various constituencies, I suspect the information economy going on here is just as much about various office personnel supplementing their government incomes as much as anything else. I wonder if HM has realized that none of those jokers are loyal to her or the institution, such as it is. The whole thing is corrupt and, I think, will inevitably collapse after HM’s death; they might stumble through a few years of Charles III (such an unlucky name), but that will be it.

    • BABSORIG says:

      Oh my goodness these fools (bangs head on wall). It doesn’t matter, prince Harry will always be QE2 grandson, always.

    • Keroppi says:

      I think the courtiers are angry realizing that Harry is circumventing them and speaking directly to the Queen. They want to gatekeep access to her and H&M are not having it.

      • Nyro says:

        It’s giving me elder abuse and I wonder how long it’s been going on.

      • Wiglet Watcher says:

        They already tried when Hand M tried to visit with the queen. She invited them to spend the night. Harry said he called to confirm and then the Queen said she was busy after all. The courtiers sabotage all the can.

        They are bloated with power

    • Kelly says:

      Richard Palmer says the information was a “briefing” from the palace, and so the BBC has not taken the article down. If they don’t take the article down in spite of the threat of a lawsuit from H&M, what does that mean?

      • ElleE says:

        IDK but it is 8:23 pm EST and I hope Schiller is a West coast firm and us busy cranking out the motion for injunction and the complaint right now.
        They really thought Harry was going back after the 1year review in March 2021, back where he would be forced to suffer their abuse for the rest his life and sit back helplessly watch his kids be subject to the same abuse.

        That is what the British press does not get: this is a man protecting his wife and kids. Watch out.

      • Agreatreckoning says:

        If it’s from a “briefing” from the palace-why hide behind the infamous “palace source”? That is a rhetorical question.

    • McGee says:

      My mother is considerably younger than the queen but has reached the stage of memory loss and cognitive impairment. She can conduct a convo just fine and seem with it…but she may have no recall of what was said later or even that the interaction happened at all, and I notice some she’ll tell one person “A” and another “not-A.” It’s making for interesting dramatic times because most of the fam doesn’t want to acknowledge it, so folks are operating from all sorts of different and competing understandings. My mother is not THE Queen, but she is used to ruling nonetheless.

      All that to say— I wonder if any of these competing claims are due to something similar.

  2. NTheMiddle says:

    I adore Omid. Insert bitter knife while smirking. Twist.

    • Merricat says:

      Yes, that was lovely.

    • Eating Popcorn says:

      Read your comment as insert butter knife! (Which I think would be even more painful)

      • Astrid says:

        I did the same! Bitter/butter LOL

      • NTheMiddle says:

        Ha… I like butter knife better.

      • BothSidesNow says:

        Which ever knife they use, it’s certainly from the bitter collection! Maybe they should start a bitter flatware collection to make up for their lost revenue? As it’s apparent that they know nothing!!

  3. Merricat says:

    Lol. They are so mad that the queen kept Harry’s secret from them, they just can’t believe it. They think they can say these things because the queen doesn’t pay attention to the media, but they’re certainly making her out to be an addled old coot, too weak to prevent her grandson from using her beloved nickname. Now who is disrespecting the queen, you half-wits?
    Meanwhile, Charles is now assuring everyone that he’s THRILLED to be a grandfather again, thrilled, I tell you!

    • L84Tea says:

      Exactly. I find the fact that these courtiers are actually turning around and blatantly lying on THEIR Queen to be shockingly unprofessional and completely disrespectful. Wow, they are so mad that Liz was okay with the name. How do these snakes keep their jobs??

    • Cecilia says:

      My palace source tells me that even the queen is fed up with her aides at this point……

      • 2cents says:

        Where are the palace crisismanagers when you need them. The leaking by the royal household is out of control for the world to see!

        Since when does the BBC publish rumors in stead of facts, as low as the gutter press?

        Britain, where art thou?!!

      • Chica says:

        2Cents it’s not a rumor. It was a brief from BP and they said the queen authorized it. They put it in the BBC article that this was on account of her wanting that on record.

      • Myra says:

        She clearly doesn’t trust them and they have no respect for her. Days after the Oprah interview, she allegedly ordered everyone to stand down. They promptly ignored her.

      • (TheOG) Jan90067 says:

        Chica, where do you see this? All I found is this:

        “The aide behind the Palace leak to the BBC is unknown, though it is thought to be a *senior official*. It’s also unclear if the Queen was aware of the comment, though it is considered *almost unprecedented* for the monarch not to sign off on quotes from senior officials, even if they are anonymous briefings. ”

        At this point, as we all know, TQ is practically only a figure head. By her own admission, she’s checking out pretty much. PC is doing all the heavy lifting, and it seems that HE is the one that didn’t know sh*t, and is crying to the press with that “unauthorized” bs.

      • TeamMeg says:

        I wish the Queen would give an interview or at least make a little video about all the changes in the royal family, and her vision for its role going forward. She could just casually mention how happy she is for Harry and Meghan, and how delighted she is with her newest grandchild being named Lilibet. Just say it, Your Majesty! Come out of your shell and speak.

      • PrincessK says:

        The Palace needs a complete overhaul. It is unbelievable that after all that has happened they are still playing their shenanigans. A complete clear out is required. They appear to have learned nothing at all.

        It is unfortunate that this has become messy, but Harry is correct to stand firm. The non stop manipulation and disinformation coming out of the Palace since Meghan married Harry has been disgusting. Who is going to stop it? Mark my words in years to come Harry will be thanked for making a stand.

        It is not the Sussexes making the British monarchy look bad it is the Palace that is making a mockery of itself for the whole world to see. We will soon learn about the deep divisions that are in the Palace, there must be some kind of power struggle going on, it is really beyond belief that after statements have been issued certain people are still going off record to make comments. I saw the BBC fool who reported the story being questioned, he looked very nervous when asked why the matter of what the Queen said or not was of public interest, he said that it was a matter of public record. 🙄

        There should be an end to anonymous briefings, if you can’t say things publicly don’t say anything. This noxious symbiotic relationship between the Palace and the media must STOP.

      • PrincessK says:

        Interestingly this BBC ‘royal reporter’, who looked very nervous when being questioned about the mess is someone called Jonny Dymond….never ever heard of him and it seems as the usual ones at the BBC who report royal stuff were not involved in this. Fishy!
        This guy needs checking out, apparently he said that Harry had been rude to royal reporters in Australia, so maybe he has an axe to grind.

    • Agree MERRICAT and I love love love that the Sussexes have threatened legal action against the BBC and officially (through their spokesperson) shut this BS down. Maybe this will help teach the “legitimate” media to stop relying on lying palace aides or 🐀Rota whiners as sources. 😎.

      • BothSidesNow says:

        @ Lowcountry Lady, I think that their issuance of legal action is brilliant on their part. It shows that Harry and Meghan are willing to put their foot down and have receipts that say otherwise.

      • anotherlily says:

        It could force the BBC to name the ‘palace sources’

      • The Recluse says:

        Yep, you know that H and M keep receipts out of habit these days.
        Those courtiers need to cool it.

  4. Shawna says:

    Does this suggest the Queen is now concerned about leaks and trying not to unintentionally give courtiers info on the Sussexes? So far, the Sussexes have suggested that the Queen was sort of kept away from the worst of what happened to them…but what if she’s now actively taking steps to prevent being an unwitting instrument of “palace sources?” That would be a bit more active role for the Queen to play than we’ve been led to believe by the most recent info from the Sussex interviews and sources.

    • Alexandria says:

      I’m not surprised if she thinks she can be compromised anytime. Even her life can be compromised at this point. An old woman leaving in her sleep after being widowed…can be arranged. This is a screwed up institution.

      • Laugh or Cry says:

        The ruthlessness from this bunch knows no bounds. Wouldn’t trust any of them really. I guess it is a way of saying I don’t trust you as far as I can throw you, so I have someone on the outside with a large media presence checking up on me.

    • pearlime says:

      If she was that concerned she could give the courtiers a massive slap on the wrist by confirming that she was told about the name. Remaining silent is supporting the status quo.

      • JT says:

        A commenter on another thread pointed out that the queen is at Windsor instead of BP. And it was also reported that she is unlikely to return to BP full time. What if that is the reason for all of the miscommunication and how the queen was able to keep the baby news a secret? It was said that she had a skeleton staff, so in theory she would probably chose her most loyal aids to be there with her. I doubt Charles’ yes man would be at Windsor. It could explain all of the pearl clutching of the BP courtiers about not being in the loop.

      • Jais says:

        @JT- that’s an interesting point about her being in Windsor vs. BP. Like is she even surrounded by comms staff on the regular? I wonder if being at Windsor and he skeletal staff due to covid actually helped in Harry being able to speak more with the Queen. Think he mentioned that in the Corbin interview but it really could’ve been different if it had been normal times.

      • Lorelei says:

        @Pearlime if she was that concerned that the courtiers are treating her as if she’s a doddering old fool who doesn’t even know what’s going on anymore, she could clean house and get rid of all of them. Start over with a clean slate and employees who treat her — the MONARCH for Christ’s sake! — with respect. Because nothing will ever change if these people are allowed to remain in place and continue to exert this amount of power.
        I’ll never understand how employees even got to a place where they have this much control over a monarch.

  5. Becks1 says:

    So the Sussex spokesperson is going on the record against an unnamed palace source. Yeah, I know which one is telling the truth.

    I definitely think that at least at Buckingham Palace/Windsor, the Queen has separated her courtiers from the Sussexes – maybe in her mind its quite simple, they’re not working royals, they’re just family now, so the courtiers dont need to know anything about them. I’m sure Zara Tindall isn’t running every professional choice she makes past her grandmother, and that seems to work just fine in terms of her relationship with the queen. So maybe the Queen doesn’t think of it as “keeping secrets” just that family is family and the Firm is the Firm.

    • Belli says:

      That separation between family and firm is doubly highlighted in the choice of name. Elizabeth is the Queen. Lilibet is granny.

      • Shawna says:

        And even, perhaps, Lilibet is still QEII’s own self-conception…her own understanding of who she is, beyond the crown. That would make sense for Harry and Meghan trying to find out what to take from a beloved relative that isn’t already co-opted by the monarchy.

    • Nic919 says:

      The times is reporting that the Sussexes have threatened a libel action against the BBC for this.
      So you know they have receipts.

      • Merricat says:

        That is hilarious, I love it.

      • JT says:

        @Nic19 So now we really know who the hell is lying over there. H&M don’t play and they always win. The BBC better pipe down, it’s not like they don’t have credibility issue with the Dyson report going around or anything.

      • Ginger says:

        I love that. I love how they can now defend themselves. The UK media need to get it in their heads that Harry and Meghan aren’t playing. They will come for you.

      • The Hench says:

        Oh please let them sue, please let them sue…and win. I really, really want to see these shambolic f***ers in the media realise that they can’t keep putting “palace sources say” in front of whatever crap they want to spout and get away with it.

      • Izzy says:

        Damn. I am gonna make some popcorn and pull up a chair.

      • Becks1 says:

        YES!!! That’s amazing. I love the Sussexes unleashed like this.

        A suit would be interesting too because – maybe the BBC isn’t lying, maybe a senior palace source did tell them that – and wouldn’t it be interesting to find out who?

      • The Hench says:

        @Becks1 – yes – because that is exactly what happened with the Mail case – it was made crystal clear by the Editor that he was absolutely assured by a ‘senior Royal source” cough*William*cough that Jason Knauf had shared copyright on Meghan’s letter on the strength of which the Mail went to court. Only for the palaces to canter out months later mid suit and go ‘absolutely not – no copyright belongs to Mr Knauf whatsoever” leaving the newspaper with a massive bill.

        So – wow. If you were a media organisation facing a lawsuit right now (hello BBC!) do you really want to nail your colours and pockets to the mast of your ‘palace source’ given how totally unreliable they have already turned out to be? And I’d bet good money the media all talk to each other and know damn well who lied to the MoS inside the RF.

      • betsyh says:

        Becks1, I really want to finally see one of these anonymous palace sources named.

      • Rapunzel says:

        @thehench- after awhile, the media will get tired of being sued thanks to “palaces sources.” The BBC doesn’t need the bad press or the hassle. If it costs them money from a lawsuit on top? These sources are gonna find their calls will no longer be taken. The press will only take so much egg on their faces.

      • Demi says:

        The BBC has royal correspondents\reporters their job to report on everything royal Harry cut them off now they are mad their money fountain is gone.. usually Buckingham palace leaks to them then they report Harry got fed up & dropped all contacts with Buckingham palace&British media..

      • luna says:

        @BEcks1 that’s what I came here to say. I checked the reporter and he didn’t seem anti-Sussex(though you never know). I think he got played by his source and Sussexes know this and this is an act against the filthly courtiers, more than the filthy media.

      • Chica1971 says:

        They got receipts.GOnnabe fun to see BBC and palace walk this back! Watch for the wording or contortion… Popcorn people!

      • HeyJude says:

        They are racking up quite an impressive record of court wins, honestly.

        I don’t doubt they’d win this one either because they play to win with these abusive press and palace fools. They’ve got their number, they know their games inside and out.

      • Harper says:

        The article is still up on the BBC site, only now they’ve included the fact that Schillings sent letters to other news sources saying the report is false and defamatory and should not be repeated.

        This is truly a carnival of idiots. The BBC could argue that the story is supposed to be correcting the record that Harry spoke after the birth, not before, (and not that it matters anyway.) If Harry says he spoke to the Queen AFTER Lili was born and told her then that he wanted to use Lilibet, then why is the BBC reporting as NEWS the fact that Harry didn’t ask BEFORE the birth as if it’s a new fact. But the real dirty play by the BBC is that their headline is “Queen Not Asked About Lilibet Name” which their own story goes on to refute and quotes a number of sources saying so. The headline is the defamatory part and should trigger legal action.

      • Eurydice says:

        @Harper – I think the loophole in the headline is a “palace source” says that the Queen wasn’t asked. And the news is also that a “palace source” is refuting what Harry and Meghan have said. Very weasel-like, the BBC is shifting the defamation off of them onto the “palace source.”

    • Cecilia says:

      The way the queen things about it (family=family, firm=firm) is exactly how it should be but im afraid that under Charles those lines will be much more blurred.

      • Merricat says:

        I think whatever comes out of BP is Charles. I think he directs the messaging out of both BP and CH.

      • Becks1 says:

        I think the lines are definitely more blurred under Charles when it comes to Harry. He’s the one who didnt want B&E as working royals and now they’re just living their lives and there doesnt seem to be any real issues there. But Charles always assumed Harry would stay as a working royal and I think now Charles sees every single thing Harry does as a slight against him, even if Harry doesnt even mention Charles’ name. I think for the Queen it was a lot easier to just switch it off – okay, he’s not a working royal anymore, I can’t make him – maybe part of her looked back at Margaret’s life and wanted something different for Harry, who knows. But I think Charles is definitely going to struggle with that distinction.

      • HeyJude says:

        I’m afraid the way Charles thinks about things is: family=Charles, firm=Charles, press=Charles, sons=Charles, grandkids=Charles.

        That’s been his entire life. Everything is ultimately about him.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        IMAO, Charles is jealous of the Sussexes just as he was jealous of Diana. It is about whom the press focuses their attention on.

        Charles is not jealous of Baldy & Wiglet as there is nothing to be jealous of with regards to the Keenbridges. The Keenbridges do not really seek out the spotlight and the spot light definitely does not seek out them.

      • SenseOfTheAbsurd says:

        Was just reading some passive-aggressive drivel from Cameltoe in the Daily Telegraph, wringing her hands over the Sussexes making a distinction between the Queen as a person and the institution. Somehow this is very, very bad and is of concern to the courtiers. The reasoning behind this position is very murky.

    • Truthiness says:

      Issuing a legal warning to the BBC is a serious flex, the BBC is not a tabloid like the Mail and well, it’s the BBC. It makes perfect sense that H & M – the heads of Archewell – are not just protecting their reputation, they are cultivating a brand now. It’s quite a shot across the bow and the BBC had better clean it up, stat.

      • I’m sure Charles is driving the boat more than the Queen when it comes to Buckingham Palace. This kind of nastiness is so much his modis operandi. I would love to see a Sussex lawsuit that finally forces the release of palace aide names. These asses need to be taken down. I think Charles is running this wargame as he has a real history of using others to leak his nasty agendas. It was one of the main reasons that Diana felt she had to get her side out to the public with her own voice. And even now, years later, Charles is still fighting desperately to shut her up. He can’t let anything go! And now, it seems he just can’t let Harry speak his truth or live his life. Charles is an extreme control freak and a coward so this kind of underhanded ‘unofficial’ statement is just how he went after Diana. Sadly, Charles and William have both weaponized their teams against the Sussexes — even though the Queen has ordered them to stop —- they are blatantly disobeying her order for them to cease and desist.

      • Alexandria says:

        BBC has never written or reported anything intelligent about Harry and Meghan but resorted to parroting the same tabloid narrative. Commentators here can call out the tabloid lies and every contradiction so easily but the BBC don’t have it in them? Their so called journalistic integrity has been shattered.

        For goodness sake, BuzzFeed could produce a clearcut article about the discrimination Meghan faced for breathing while black. I’ve long stopped following them.

      • Lorelei says:

        I was surprised that this came from the BBC in the first place— I would have expected better from them, and that crap like this would have been in the Sun or the Fail. I’m an American, though, so my perception could be totally wrong. I know the BBC has declined in recent years, but this is just embarrassing.

      • Ann says:

        As Lorelei said, apparently the BBC ain’t what it used to be. It was a world-wide journalistic lodestone and now it’s engaging in lazy, tawdry reporting like this. I hope the Sussexes go after it with all they’ve got.

    • Nic919 says:

      I am seeing Angela Kelly proposed as the palace source and it clicks on many levels. It’s the type of personal petty thing she has already done with the tiaras and Harry is likely to have specifically told the Queen not to tell her.

      • Becks1 says:

        Angela Kelly makes perfect sense. She would be ticked if the Queen knew and didnt tell her, since so much is made of her relationship to the Queen – AND since so much IS made of her relationship to the Queen – if she went to BBC and told them this, BBC would think “okay it comes from the Queen.” Plus she came off looking pretty petty and mean spirited after Tiara gate so its possible she wants some revenge.

      • Merricat says:

        Lololol! I would love to see the Sussexes sue Angela Kelly.

      • windyriver says:

        Kelly had a very modest career as housekeeper in a British embassy in Germany when she had an opportunity to become a dresser on TQ’s staff. She’s been with TQ about 25 years now I think; sad to see how pathetically little loyalty she’s showing. I hope Harry really has given his grandmother some hints about her. AK’s in her 60’s and I though there was talk some time back about her retiring, though given her position creating TQ’s clothes, maybe it doesn’t make sense to rock that boat at this point. Looking like she has a lot in common with Sophie (and Edward), sucking up to the apparent people with real power in the hope of bigger future financial benefits. Seems to have had a lot in common with Sophie personality wise as well, nasty, mean, petty, vindictive.

    • Becks1 says:

      Also, this could be a semantics or timing issue here. the Sussex spokesperson said that Harry called the Queen after the birth and shared with her that they wanted to name the baby Lilibet, and she “was supportive.” that doesnt mean they told her beforehand, or asked permission (although the spokesperson says if the queen was not supportive – which I’m interpreting as “okay with it” – they would not have used the name.)

      That’s not the same thing as asking permission before the birth, which seems to be what this palace source is denying – “The source disputed reports in the wake of the announcement of the name that Prince Harry and Meghan had spoken to the Queen before the birth.”

      So could be that both things are true – Harry did not talk to the queen about the name before the birth, but did tell her they wanted to use Lilibet AFTER the baby was born and at that point the queen said “how lovely.” someone (ahem AK47) asks the queen “did you know before the birth that it would be Lilibet?” and she says no.

      So the palace source isn’t lying per se….just twisting the story to fit the narrative that H&M “blindsided” the queen yet again. What a surprise.

      • Lorelei says:

        And again, the Queen could have corrected this, but does nothing. I realize it’s a small thing, but considering the Sussexes are threatening the BBC with legal action (and that palaces have sent out press releases about such things as hair extensions), she might pay more attention to the whole thing and decide it’s worth her while to step in and correct the record.

        I know it’s complicated, but it’s so frustrating that she knows the truth and could easily vindicate the Sussexes, but doesn’t.

      • Nic919 says:

        You have to wonder what the Queen is being told when she is surrounded by vipers like AK47.

      • Becks1 says:

        @Lorelei at this point I wonder how much the queen even knows. We all assume she is reading the papers every day and sees all these headlines. but if she isn’t in control, then its possible that she doesnt see the extent of things like this, or at least can’t understand the reach of these false narratives. She may not even know that someone went to the BBC about this.

        I feel like that’s giving her a bigger pass than she deserves, but she’s 95 and just buried her husband of 70 years. It’s possible she’s being increasingly isolated from some of these things.

        (please note I’m not giving her a blanket pass for the last 70 years, just that right now, maybe she really isn’t as aware as we may think.)

    • Christine says:

      EXACTLY. The Sussexes are playing this so smartly.

  6. EnormousCoat says:

    TQ knowing about the name ahead of time makes the most sense. Honestly, the sniping by the BM is infuriatingly childish in its construction. It smacks of ‘I know you are, but what am I?’ And it is all because a Black woman wouldn’t allow herself to be degraded for the monarchy. This situation is depraved. If Charles wants to be king, he needs to correct this. Anything short of a full course correction and apology to M&H, imo, will lay the groundwork for the fall of the British royal family.

    • Merricat says:

      There will be no full-throated apology from these people. They will go down believing that they are superior to the rest of the world’s population. They are too narcissistic to make the necessary changes; the monarchy is doomed.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      “Honestly, the sniping by the BM is infuriatingly childish in its construction.”

      No the sniping by the BM is for the sole purpose of monetizing the Sussexes (and by extension the BRF) to the last dollar or pound of revenue they can squeeze out by posting stories that generate 17.5k comments (my latest check) in seven hours.

    • Lorelei says:

      @EnormousCoat, this is obviously JMO, but I can’t imagine Harry and Meghan using a name *so* personal to the Queen without making sure she was okay with it beforehand. The press will use terms like “ask permission,” to make the Sussexes sound like children, but imo they must have had her permission well before Lilibet was born because they recognize it’s significance to the Queen.

      Maybe if they were planning on using “Elizabeth,” it wouldn’t be as big of a deal, but Lilibet is extremely personal and meaningful to the Queen; I’d be shocked if Harry “told” her that was what they were naming the baby without taking her opinion on it into consideration, instead of asking her if it was okay ahead of time, to make sure she supported the idea. JMO

  7. Lady Digby says:

    Headline Harry and Meghan did not ask ,Queen to use Lilibet name- palace source article by J Dymond
    This has a tabloid feel to it, why quote anonymous palace source to create non story which is given undue prominence and credibility by being on BBC website? Harry now talks directly to his own grandmother to avoid leaks ,of personal information. He talked on Oprah about the invisible source peddling damaging false narrative s to the press about them.
    I am concerned that anonymous sources are being used to write gossip about the naming of a new born. How is the use of an anonymous palace source legitimate? Why doesn’t the royal correspondent name his source and state on whose authority they speak? Eg Mr Smith works for Queen and answers all her calls?Also is this news or just gossip?Is BBC now issuing palace source spin without challenge? Why should I care about what a so called palace source says anonymously? I am concerned about the way Meg and Harry have been portrayed in the media and briefing against them by faceless and nameless sources so I am concerned that BBC website should just parrot a palace source that reads as continuing such a narrative? BBC should be reporting facts not peddling second hand gossip or assertions. 
    This is my of ccompllaint to BBC I await response with keenness!

    • AD says:

      Why doesn’t the Queen come out and say “the did ask”. This is just ridiculous. How can you just sit back and allow these Conniving Viper Leakers to go around disparaging your grandson’s name. One statement from the Queen and it will be over. There is no way they would not have done it for William. I am not impressed Your Majesty.

      I’m not Harry and Meghan but in hindsight they should have named her just Lili or some other name. This is just plain ridiculous. The British Media twisting themselves in pretzels over a name. Now Harry threatening to sue the BBC. Simply unnecessary headache for the new parent. The Queen needs to step up. They should have known this might happen. They have been there before.

      I understand that we on the outside will never understand the dynamics within a family and it is sometimes complicated. But these Conniving Vipers aka Palace sources are a big problem.

      • MsIam says:

        Trust me, if the Sussexes had gone with some other name the spin would have been that they “snubbed” the queen. The level of evil coming from the palace is ridiculous and while I’m glad Harry is threatening to sue the BBC, its really the palace machine that needs to be hauled into court!

      • Lorelei says:

        @AD I totally agree with you that she should step the fck up FOR ONCE and correct the record about false reports regarding the Sussexes, especially since this one concerns her so personally, and now with the Sussexes threatening legal action, it could turn into some huge thing when she could shut it down with one phone call.

        I get that she’s only nominally in charge, and that most decisions are being made by Charles. We know there’s a lot she’s not even being told. But. At the end of the day, she’s still THE QUEEN and she can do *whateverTF she wants.*

        If it’s true that she has such a close relationship with Harry, she should SHOW IT by making a statement that she knew all about the name in advance and was delighted that they chose Lilibet— and that all reporting to the contrary is simply untrue.

      • Saucy&Sassy says:

        Lorelei, I agree that I think she’s only nominally in charge. I’m also starting to wonder if she is “allowed” to make any statements that aren’t approved by the Grey Men. And, ultimately (maybe) PC. I’m really starting to question just what power TQ has. I don’t think she has a secret burner phone, I think she probably does talk to her other grandchildren/family, and being Gran is the only true role she has. Until they need her for Trooping, etc. I also agree that she’s NOT telling what she knows. Probably a way to have some power over the staff and protecting H&M at the same time.

  8. Watson says:

    This is painting a bleak picture for me of the Queen’s overall existence. Its like she was living in a gilded cage, unable to take a simple private call without the courtiers around. I guess now that Prince Charles is essentially ruling behind the scenes things got slack and granny was able to hide a phone in the gold piano.

    • Jegede says:

      I think Harry has convinced himself of this about his grandmother, for whatever reason.🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

      Lizzie is NOT sans power, as I wrote below.
      There are many ways she can send subliminal support, or instruct her staff to back off as she has done in the past.

      But there’s not letting up on Harry & Meghan.
      And Harry has assured himslef of her innocence/ignorance.

      • Becks1 says:

        I think we need to listen to Harry and Meghan here. They still have a good relationship with the Queen, they have a direct line to her, Harry says she is getting bad advice and he does not hold her responsible for the events of the past two years. He has gone out of his way to protect her (making it clear she did not ask about archie’s skin color) and has made it clear that he has too much respect for her to blindside her.

        So maybe Harry is being turning a blind eye to some of her failings, but I think it’s more likely that Charles is running the show now and the Queen really is out of the loop. It’s not about “Harry has convinced himself” that’s the truth so much as that’s just the truth.

      • purple prankster says:

        I agree, Jegede, and his being in denial is muddling their message. I for one am fatigued and a bit confused by all this. It seems many commenters enjoy parsing the many stories to try and find the truth but after the Oprah interview it was clear to me that we have no idea what’s going on with Meghan and Harry, or more importantly who they are and what they stand for, unless they tell us themselves. Like there was the whole Petty Betty thing which clearly Harry does not subscribe to.

      • Becks1 says:

        @purple prankster you are contradicting yourself. You say that Harry is “in denial” but then say that “we have no what’s going on Meghan and Harry….unless they tell us themselves.” But they have told us themselves that they are on good terms with the Queen and that they love and respect her.

      • purple prankster says:

        I don’t think I’m contradicting myself. I think Harry is on good terms with the queen, but for a while there people assumed they weren’t. Until Harry explained it. But at the same time I think he is in denial about the queens role in their negative experience in the uk.

      • Ginger says:

        I agree with you Becks, 100%

      • teecee says:

        @purple prankster And I agree with you, 100%.

        I’ve seen so many friends, when they first cut off an obviously abusive parent, turn the other parent into a saint or a at least a “good guy.” It takes years before the friend realizes that at best, the other parent was an enabler, at worst, an active participant in the abuse, just not in ways the friend could perceive at the time.

        Right now Harry believes the courtiers, Charles, and William are the “bad guys” while the queen and Philip were the “good guys.” The further he gets away from them, the more he sees his own children grow up, the more he will realize that Liz and Phil played a large part in the abuse. He’s not ready to see that yet, but one day he will be.

        And from a purely tactical perspective, Liz is the only one of them who evokes a real, emotional loyalty from most of the British public (for whatever reason.) If Harry had publicly called her out, the response would have been 10,000 times worse for H&M than it has been, and it’s been very bad.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        Betty & Phil played a large part in all the abuse; The mental abuse suffered by Charles as a young person because they really did not and still do not understand him and the mental abuse of the Sussexes by standing back and watching then not putting in any effort to doing anything and/or stop it.

        With regards to “standing back and watching then not doing anything to stop it”, people have gone to jail in the USA for a long time for a whole lot less.

      • purple prankster says:

        Thanks Teecee, that’s exactly what I was thinking. Including the tactical part. Maybe Harry is seeing clearly but is being strategic about who he blames.

    • sunny says:

      Lol! The image of the hidden phone in the gold piano. I love it too much.

      • The Hench says:

        In my head it’s duct-taped underneath…haha.

      • (TheOG) Jan90067 says:

        Put there by Daniel Craig, aka “Bond…James Bond” after he parachuted into the palace 😊

        (That Olympics’ opening sequence was gold!)

    • Yes and we all know how Charles really feels about his mummy. No matter what he’s spouted lately, he has bitched for years —- and gone on record —- to air his extreme unhappiness with how badly he feels he was treated by both his parents. I agree with Anne when she publicly said — after the Digby interview — that he needed to get over himself. I think the man is still the angry child throwing a tantrum. I worry about her now that Phillip is gone. Now he is Prince Regent to a very elderly Queen…..all the rats (in and out of the palaces) are dancing to his tune.

      • BothSidesNow says:

        @ Lowcountry Lady, I agree! PC is well over 70 and either has two choices, get over as Anne had stated so brilliantly!! Maybe PC should seek therapy to get over his mommy issues!! My god, the man was raised without having to put toothpaste on his toothbrush but he has the gal to bitch about his f#cking childhood!! Maybe he should visit some facilities that deal with true childhood trauma, aka child abuse, child endangerment, etc, and see what growing up with truly horrible parents is actually a garden of roses compared to his upbringing!! Get over yourself Charles!!

      • teecee says:

        I don’t agree with this. Liz and Phil were abusive, absent parents. So many of the traumas suffered by their children and grandchildren, and Diana, were rooted in the failures of Liz and Phil.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @Loecountry Lady – I believe Charles was treated badly (and more so than is sister & brothers) by both Brenda & Stavros.

      • Becks1 says:

        So I do have some sympathy for charles because it’s clear he has never worked through his childhood issues/trauma (the way Harry has) and I think he would be better for it.

        I also think its possible the queen was a cold mother to him but a loving grandmother to his children – my mom’s mother was narcissistic and honestly maybe bipolar, but never diagnosed and she was awful to my mom, but wonderful to me.

      • Lola says:

        Just because Prince Charles didn’t have to put toothpaste on his toothbrush does not mean that his childhood wasn’t horrifically abusive and traumatic. It was. Child abuse isn’t limited to only certain socioeconomic levels. Just go back to the Queen’s father who had absentee parents who gave him to the staff to be raised, who abused him so badly before he was even able to speak that he developed a lifelong stutter.

        That being said, Prince Charles’ abusive childhood is not an excuse or hall pass for him to treat others as he has his entire life, and carry on the toxic cycle.

      • Lola says:

        Becks, my grandfather was the same. He physically abused my mom and her siblings to an extent that he would definitely get jail time for today. He did it daily and it was common in their culture and in their neighborhood. He was an abusive rage-aholic and they just tried to avoid him and stay out of the house as much as possible, becoming lost children.

        To me and my cousins, he was the polar opposite. He was never anything but happy around us and indulged us to the fullest degree. Our aunts and uncles would marvel out loud that they couldn’t believe their eyes, seeing him like this with us. Which always made me feel uneasy and a bit uncomfortable around him, like did he have a mask on hiding something behind it? But if he did, I never saw it in my lifetime.

      • notasugarhere says:

        The toothpaste thing was only for six weeks, when he broke his collarbone playing polo and had one arm strapped to his chest.

    • Lucky Charm says:

      I think at this point Prince Charles is essentially in charge of everything, and the Queen’s role is more that of the King Mother than monarch, hence she’s not really being informed of everything, but on a “need to know” basis which they don’t think she needs to know much of what’s going on. Anything coming from Buckingham Palace I’m assuming is from Charles, not the Queen.

  9. aquarius64 says:

    BBC’s credibility is not that great now thanks to the fallout from Diana’s interview with Martin Bashir. It is no better than the Fail. BBC needs to name the palace snitch or admit this story is made up. (it won’t.)

  10. Jegede says:

    Once the Times ran a sneering editorial about Lili’s name, I knew something was coming.

    If a newspaper like the Times, opts to make a point about a non-scandal – like a little baby’s name, – then someone’s feeding them.

    This was a spiteful move by the palace.😡😡😡
    No doubt, pissed they found out about the birth the same time as the rest of the world.

    And I don’t buy the narrative the Queen is some frail lamb staring at the palace walls, in order to exonerate her.
    No, she’s not as sharp as her young years, but I imagine she’s still sound.

    She sat on her hands about the bullying allegations, the MOS case, Jason Knauf e.t.c
    Like how she makes a point to be photographed with Andrew in a car and on horseback post-allegations, Brenda can put the kibosh on things/show support if she chooses.

    • JT says:

      It looks like the courtiers are going rogue to be honest. Or maybe Charles is angry that he didn’t know any details, so he’s throwing his weight around trying to find out how the queen is communicating with them. Now I’m certain that the bullying investigation didn’t come from the queen and I don’t believe she was helping with the MOS’s case. It is so sinister how the aides are trying to get their side out and undermine their own queen. They the palace staff for godsakes. They are the ones who don’t know their place.

      • Jegede says:

        It’s not just the courtiers IMO. They need to have the green light to continue this BS.

        And Branda could have helped with the MOS case earlier.

        I mean was only after Meghan won her privacy case, then the Queen’s lawyers denied the Crown had any copyright claim.

        Shame they couldn’t do that before, when the winds seemed against Meghan.😥😥
        Plus, ANL court documents flat out stated that the palace was helping them with their case.

        I just don’t buy that the Queen is in some catatonic state behind closed doors, entirely oblivious to what her staff are pulling.

      • JT says:

        Who says the green light is coming from the queen though? Charles is effectively the prince regent. He ousted her private secretary for his own yes man. Geidt leaving seriously put things into disarray. Maybe Charles via Sir Edward Young is giving him the go ahead. All I’m saying is that things aren’t as the appear. Clearly. Isn’t the what H&M said as well? I don’t believe the queen is in some catatonic state, but she is watched. She is controlled to a degree. The fact that aides are freaking out about not knowing the details surrounding Lili is a testament to that.

        The palace was helping with the case, Kensington Palace. That’s where Jason works. “The palace” doesn’t always mean BP. It could have even been CH, although KP looks like the culprit there.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        The only way this whole scenario makes any sense to me is if the BRF & the courtiers are trying to destroy the reputation of the Sussexes to the point they cannot financially support themselves and force to come back to the BRF and live in a BRF financed Royal exile. What is the end goal of the Firm?

        As I think about this even more, it still makes no sense as the Sussexes could very easily write their first hand account of what really down in a true tell-all book that would easily net them $30 million. Again, what is the end goal of the Firm?

      • Becks1 says:

        @Bay at this point I’m not sure if there is an endgame. Maybe making Harry come back hat in hand, begging for forgiveness? But that will never happen because like you said, all he has to do is write a tell-all book and he’s set for life. Heck he could probably sign onto the Crown as an “advisor” and get a nice paycheck.

        I used to think that a lot of this was a warning to other royals – you don’t leave us, we leave you – but what other royals? The Cambridge kids? The ones who are 6 and 3? That doesnt really make sense either.

        I basically just think they’re floundering and furious and can’t figure out their endgame either. I dont think it’s all that strategic at this point.

    • AD says:

      I agree with you. With one sentence this whole saga will be over. She is part of the system no way she is not. She might love them and all but her loyalty is to the Firm.

      • JT says:

        She barely control her own staff. She put out a statement after the Oprah interview telling everyone to stand down and that it was a private matter. Guess who stood down? Nobody. William goes on with his “not a racist family” bs and Charles let’s people know that he could bring out the bank statements. What is she controlling?

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @JT – Who is controlling whom? I really want to know.

    • Im not surprised, JEGEDE. The Times is owned by Murdoch. Their just one step up from the Daily Mail (also owned by Murdoch), when it comes to reporting anything about the Sussexes.

      And I so agree JT. The Queen let it be known publicly that the family was told in no uncertain terms to stand down after the release of the Oprah interview and it would seem that not one of the senior Royals is obeying her. I would say that clearly shows who is now ruling the FIRM. This is on Charles and his nasty, hypersensitive ego. Charles has always thought —- like the Sun King —- that he is the alpha and omega of that family. I really think their is no communication between the Sussexes and Charles at this point because Charles always sees himself as both the victim and the most important person in the room. He is a very strange personality.

      • Also, I know how to use they’re and there, but autocorrect dances to its own tune. Sorry I didn’t catch those glitches.

      • Liz version 700 says:

        Your description of Charles is so spot on. If he hadn’t been born Royal I think Charles would have had a hard time finding a wife or a job.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        The Daily Fail is owned/controlled by Jonathan Harmsworth, 4th Viscount Rothermere.

        The Scum is owned/controlled by Rupert Murdoch.

    • Lorelei says:

      @Jegede I could not agree with you more. (And I can’t believe that I’m disagreeing with @Becks— that never happens!!). I agree with others that Charles is running the show, but that doesn’t automatically mean that she’s completely helpless. Maybe she was unable to stop this nonsense from being reported in the first place, but she could absolutely correct it.

      She might not be as sharp as she once was and most decision-making might be done by Charles, but she’s still THE QUEEN and this is a matter that concerns her very personally. She could make one phone call and shut this down, but she hasn’t, and I find that disgusting tbh.

      At the end of the day, she’s still The Boss. If she wanted to correct this to give the Sussexes a break during what is already a very intense time for them, she could. And even if the courtiers have gone rogue, as @JT suggested, maybe this sh!tshow couldn’t have been avoided, but that doesn’t mean she can’t speak up NOW and issue a clarification.

      Idk why some people seem to believe that she’s totally helpless. She’s still The Queen ffs! If she in fact has this close relationship with Harry that we hear about, she should *show it* by vindicating the Sussexes publicly.

      Especially since this is about a story extremely personal to her. Lilibet is HER nickname after all, and she should grow a spine for once and set the record straight. A public vindication of the Sussexes straight from her would mean a lot.

      • Nic919 says:

        I understand what you are saying that she is the Queen, but she’s also 95 and her long term spouse just died. How much is she in control of things?

        It wouldn’t be the first time that they lie about the health of a monarch.

        On paper she’s in charge, but does she still have that capacity for it ?

      • Becks1 says:

        What kind of statement is she going to release that is going to make it through the men in gray suits? Do people think she’s just going to pick up the phone and call BBC?

        I think we all know she’s not running the show anymore. But my guess is that if we all know at least that much, the reality is probably a lot worse and more extreme. I mean people are joking about her having burner phones to talk to her grandson but she’s supposed to call the BBC and tell them to stand down?

        I also think its possible that people are taking this story way too seriously. The name is done. i’m sure the Queen is happy with it, whether she was told beforehand or not. Focusing overly much on the timing is giving too much oxygen to this story IMO.

        Also if Charles really is propelling this attack the way some people think he is – he’s also going to be limiting the access the Queen has(maybe she has no clue this is even a story) and he’s REALLY going to go out of his way to make sure she stays quiet.

        I can see this story just being from Angela Kelly bc she’s a petty B. But I can also see Charles driving this for petty and malicious reasons and if that’s the case, I’m not sure the Queen has the ability to stand up to him anymore. I think she used the last of her spine to protect Andrew.

      • Lorelei says:

        @Becks if you’re right and not only is she not running the show but that it’s even worse than the public knows (and everything that we’ve seen definitely points to that being true), then wouldn’t a not-insignificant number of British citizens want something to be done? That story about Harry’s lunch plans with her being canceled was disturbing…we only know about that because Harry was brave enough to make it public, but who & what else are they withholding from her?

        If it becomes clear that their Head of State is being completely controlled by anonymous employees with (imo) WAY too much power, unaware of what’s even going on, and possibly being undermined, wouldn’t that raise questions about her fitness to serve?

        If she’s at the point where she doesn’t do so much as read the newspapers each morning, are the people of the UK just fine with that? For how long? I know that the health of leaders has always been lied about (I mean by the end of Reagan’s second term…yikes), so maybe they just plan on letting things stay like this until she passes away. This is certainly the most advantageous option for Charles, but it’s wrong on many other levels imo.

        I have absolutely no idea what the procedure is if it’s determined that the Monarch is unfit to serve. Does Parliament get involved at some point? As an American I don’t have a clue how that would play out. I have to imagine there’s some sort of policy in the event of this happening. I HIGHLY doubt it will happen anytime soon, if ever, with Elizabeth, but I guess it depends on how downhill things go from here on out.

        I agree with you that more is being made of this one story than necessary, but I also feel as if it’s a microcosm of the entire situation that’s existed for years now — a blatant lie about the Sussexes is published, they refute it, the Queen is silent. Rinse and repeat. Only now, no one knows if she’s even aware of it. So while yes you’re right that this shouldn’t be a huge issue, it’s clearly important enough to Harry and Meghan if they’re threatening legal action, so that alone should make it important enough to the Queen to care about it (imo).

        This is a perfect example of a time when a clear correction and statement of support of the Sussexes from the Queen would carry a lot of weight. All she has to say is she knew about the name in advance, was delighted that Harry and Meghan chose Lilibet, and that any reporting to the contrary is simply untrue.

        Regarding her correspondence, I don’t know how the logistics work, but I think it’s probably oversimplifying it to suggest that her only options are to either 1) give a statement to the men in grey which they could edit at their own discretion or put directly into the circular filing cabinet, or to 2) pick up the phone herself and call the BBC. There must be some middle ground there. I have no idea what form it would take, but if it’s true that her wishes can be circumvented by employees and her statement on a matter (this could apply to anything, not just the Lilibet story) quashed, and she’s either unaware of it or there’s absolutely nothing she can do about it, then it goes back to the issue of fitness imo. (I can’t even stand this woman but I’m starting to feel a tiny bit sorry for her for some reason!)

        It’s true that courtiers could have followed instructions by Charles which caused this sh!tshow in the first place. But now that it’s a story in the BBC which Meghan and Harry have deemed serious enough to get lawyers involved, the Queen should absolutely know about it. I understand that her age is a factor and that she’s still grieving, but if she’s completely unaware or powerless…I don’t even know. She’s *always* been just a figurehead, but if she’s actively being kept in the dark now, there’s been a massive breakdown in communication policies and they’re taking advantage of her age and the fact that she’s in a vulnerable place right now since she just lost Philip to carry out their own agendas.

        (I have a bad headache so I have no idea if make much sense here, and I hope it didn’t come across as snarky, but hopefully you can see what I mean even if I’m unable to articulate it very well atm 😓)

      • Nic919 says:

        I suspect what is going on is that the Queen is slowing down, but it’s not enough for a legal qualification of a regency and for Charles to take over. That’s why it’s being done behind the scenes.

      • Becks1 says:

        @lorelei – i think it’s two things – one like Nic said, she’s not bad enough for a regency. She’s still somewhat competent, she just has very limited bandwidth right now and she only knows what people (ie Charles) want her to know. She’s not completely gone, she’s just old and tired and doesnt care so much about the sniping in the press. She can smile and greet ambassadors and take short tours of factories, and then she wants to sit with her corgis or ride her ponies and FaceTime with her great grandkids and that’s about it.

        My other thought is exactly what you are describing – if she is essentially unable to control her courtiers and staff, and can’t put together a statement for BBC, and Charles is basically running things – if I were a UK citizen I would want to know that. And I think the palaces are desperately trying to cover it up so it’s just getting messy.

        Remember the Queen has never really made a statement in defense of H&M – and there were many other times when she should have. And for some reason H&M forgive her for that and accept it. So I think there is def a missing piece we don’t know.

        Now if tomorrow the Queen goes on GMB and announces that H&M are destroying her legacy with Lili’s name, I will be the first to come here and rage with you all lol.

      • Beach Dreams says:

        “But my guess is that if we all know at least that much, the reality is probably a lot worse and more extreme.”

        This is an excellent point @Becks1. I think we just need to look at the Oprah interview to realize that nothing is what it seems when it comes to the BRF. We all thought that Harry and Meghan declined any and all titles for Archie when they were actually told he couldn’t have any (and that Archie would likely never have one when Charles becomes king). We had no idea that Meghan was being deliberately isolated and having her movements monitored & controlled. We didn’t realize just how much Sussexit was the result of Harry and Meghan literally being pushed to the limit until they had no choice but to leave for their safety. We had no idea that Charles was doing the exact opposite of secret support. And this is just what they were willing to divulge in a very civil, careful manner.

        Harry already told us about his grandmother getting “bad advice” from her courtiers and how they run the show. Today Richard Kay just claimed that maybe the Queen was “hard of hearing” and didn’t realize the name H&M told her. That’s veering dangerously close to an admission that she’s possibly no longer fit to remain monarch. For all we know, the Queen could be in a worse state and it’s being kept tightly under wraps by Charles and William. Personally I feel like they’d both want to hide behind her name for as long as possible before officially shifting to a regency.

  11. Truthiness says:

    Palace aides and the royals underneath Elizabeth have no power over the Sussexes and no idea of the truth in the situation. That is killing them! They have been spinning out all week and it is glorious.

  12. Rapunzel says:

    Harry and TQ have definitely come to some agreement where they have private conversation and TQ shares it with nobody (save Philip, when he was alive).

    I suspect in that private meeting they had at Sandringham (Jan 2020 when Sussexit was official), Harry probably took TQ to task for the fact that he had to go through people to talk to her. I think TQ hearing her beloved grandson say, “I’m your grandson and I shouldn’t have to go through your courtiers to talk to you” may have been a wake up call. Especially if Harry proved that these people sabotaged their chances to talk.

    Tin foil tiara theory: I suspect Chuck and Willyboy might be behind isolating TQ from Harry. The firing of Christopher Geidt might have been part of this plan. Notice it happened in 2017. Maybe Dad and TOB wanted to put lackeys in TQ’s orbit because they knew Harry was serious about Meg (he decided quickly), and they wanted more power to try and stop the relationship from reaching marriage?

    • Belli says:

      I’ve seen the idea that Harry showed Lizzy the receipts at the summit and it’s feeling even more plausible as time goes on.

      Plus, I think the Queen could agree that the courtiers don’t need to be involved with her conversations with Harry and Meghan. They’re no longer working royals, they’re just family. She’s all about protocol, but there’s no protocol that applies now they’ve left. Why would she tell her staff when Harry calls his granny?

  13. Amy Bee says:

    The courtiers have always had a fear of the close relationship between Harry and the Queen. Remember they kept Harry from seeing his grandmother when he returned from Canada. Kaiser you hit the nail on the head the Palace is panicking that Harry and the Queen are communicating on a regular basis without their knowledge and she is also not briefing her staff on her conversations with him and Meghan. Meghan also seems to have an open line of communication with Queen as she said in the Oprah interview that she just picked up phone and called her when she heard that Philip was sick.

    This also shows that the Queen is no longer in charge. Charles is the regent and the courtiers are in control of her every move. I think her refusal to ostracize Harry and Meghan as the rest of the family has done is her attempt to have some control of her life.

    • Lorelei says:

      @Amy Bee I agree with you completely, but when it really comes down to it, the courtiers are merely employees. They may be employees with an outsized amount of influence, but they’re still employees and they cannot defy the monarch. (If they can and are, there’s a much larger problem about the fitness of the Head of State that needs addressing.)

      Regardless of whatever politics happening behind the scenes at BP, she could and should speak up and make it clear that these reports are false and publicly corroborate the statements coming directly from the Sussexes.

      We keep hearing she has such a close relationship with Harry; FOR ONCE, she needs to grow a spine and show it. All it would take is one phone call from her, and public support of the Sussexes directly from her would mean a lot. For whatever reason, she’s choosing not to, and I don’t know how that reflects love for Harry (and his family) in any way.

      • Becks1 says:

        Unless the courtiers are acting according to Charles’ orders and the queen is way more out of it than people realize.

        Again, I’m not saying she’s a saint and the picture of a perfect grandmother. i’m saying that there’s a reason Harry and Meghan clearly still feel close to her, have protected her, and have named their daughter after her – and the same cannot be said for how they feel about Charles and william.

        Maybe Harry is brainwashed into thinking she’s blameless, but Meghan wouldn’t be, Meghan would see the writing on the wall as an outsider.

      • Lucky Charm says:

        “They may be employees with an outsized amount of influence, but they’re still employees and they cannot defy the monarch.”
        Perhaps the monarch they are actually reporting to/following orders from is Charles, and the Queen has essentially been put out to pasture at Windsor Castle.

      • Ann says:

        I don’t know, based on watching The Crown I think she has never been able to stand up to the courtiers, to the system, as much as she should have or wanted to. There is protocol in place, and she knows “her place” within it, even if she is The Queen.

        Maybe she thinks it is beneath the dignity of her position to speak about this bit of nonsense? The papers are acting like it was an insult for HM to name their baby after her. I mean, it’s preposterous, isn’t it? She didn’t want to speak to the public after Diana died, either. All this mayhem and emotion and fuss, so messy and awkward and undignified. She’s not comfortable with feelings and never has been. I’m not saying she doesn’t have them, just that she’s kind of emotionally stunted.

  14. JT says:

    This is just making the BP courtiers look incompetent. They didn’t know about the birth and the name. Why leak to the public that you are mad that you couldn’t leak? They are just blasting their unprofessionalism out loud. Take the L and move on.

    • Amy Bee says:

      @JT: Because the press is probably angry that the invisible contract is not being adhered to. The Queen keeping this information to herself means the courtiers and Charles do not have the hold on her that they thought they had and they can’t leak to the press.

      • JT says:

        It’s just crazy to me. They are the f*cking staff. They are nobodies. I said above that it seems as if the courtiers are going rogue over there and it kind of proves what Harry said in the interview, that the queen is tightly controlled. Every time the palaces lashes out it just proves his point, but this making me feel bad for the queen. It feels like borderline elder abuse. She can’t even keep a phone call to herself.

    • The Hench says:

      Not just incompetent but actively spiteful and out to tar H&M even if they get their own queen at the same time. Their reaction indicates that they were making a pretty penny from leaking to the press to supplement their meagre palace salaries and her Majesty’s new secret squirrel act is threatening that income. Otherwise that’s an ‘interesting’ position to take as a courtier just to be able to contradict H&M’s spokesman.

  15. Peanut says:

    That “close family “ comment is so beautifully shady…meaning the queen is who they’re close to and they are not close to Charles and William.

  16. AVEA says:

    Awwww are they salty the Queen didn’t inform them about a private family matter that’s none of their business so they couldn’t go leak it to the UK media? Well boo hoo for them, I guess!

  17. Osty says:

    I’m so glad harry and Meghan are involving their lawyers now. They are basically telling the idiots to fuck around and find out

    • Nyro says:

      You just know they have receipts. I can see Meghan writing a lovely email informing the queen of the name. And I’m sure the queen sent a lovely email back.

  18. mariahlee says:

    this story is so incredibly stupid and pathetic. royal courtiers and the britsh media have attempted to spoil every single positive moment in m&h’s lives. every single one. it’s cruel and it’s toxic and *this* is why people were saying the name is loaded and potentially burdensome. no one deserves this, but the baby especially.

  19. S808 says:

    We know “blindsiding the Queen” really means blindsiding the courtiers. I wonder if the cage around the Queen will tighten after this. It’s obvious she is not disclosing the content of the talks with her grandson. I know RRs were PISSED that the Palace had no information about the birth before hand. I know they’ve been putting pressure on the households on Sussex info so for the Queen to have been sitting on this info and not telling ANYONE? YIKES. The money they could’ve made by breaking the birth news, especially since they’ve getting out scooped by American media for a year now…..

    Also where are the crisis managers? Sure they have to know this is not a good look. Did they quit? I wouldn’t blame them. You got CH trying to push the reconciliation angle and BP going scorched earth about the baby’s name. Mess mess mess.

    • Watson says:

      Definite mess. They need to consolidate their communications and marketing teams, but that would never happen because these people aren’t clever enough to run the firm like a proper business.

      • S808 says:

        They look so disjointed and disorganized. They should be embarrassed.

      • (TheOG) Jan90067 says:

        Too many egos involved, not just TOBB (Mr. Engorged Incandescence) and PC (Daddy Dearest), but the “senior gray men” (along with income for leaks) as well. They will NOT consolidate, at least at this point. Also, PC doesn’t have the cajones (now, or even when he’ll be the *actual* king) to challenge TOBB and cut off the funds for his comms office, so it’s a no go.

      • Alexandria says:

        It’s not even the lack of consolidation that’s the root cause. The root cause is these people are obsessed with their ex staff and cannot seem to let go. Cannot seem to move on. How? Why? Is anybody there working? I guess not! This institution is a sham!

    • Jais says:

      @S808- you bring up a point I was wondering too. Will this cause the cage to tighten around the Queen? And will she now be cut off from even talking to Harry?

      • Lorelei says:

        @Jais, same. If the courtiers are in fact *completely controlling the monarch* to this extent, something needs to be done.

        It goes beyond this one issue; this just highlights how much the situation has deteriorated. She is still the Head of State, ffs, and if she can be controlled to the point where it almost seems like she’s a hostage, something needs to change.

  20. Kalana says:

    Name that Palace Source! Libel charge!

    • tolly says:

      Talk about slipping standards. This isn’t Watergate or the Panama papers–why is the BBC granting anonymity to someone who wants to mouth off about a newborn’s name? The tabloids do this to encourage malicious gossip, but the BBC used to aim higher.

      • Ann says:

        I’ve lost respect for a few news sources I used to trust and admire. Not entirely, but to a large degree. It’s sad.

  21. Asha says:

    Does the queen not know her staff is briefing against her grandson? Am I to believe she doesn’t get told that? Not even a “hi.. this is being reported in the press you had no idea – is this true? We are being asked to comment”

    • Sid says:

      Do you recall that story after the Oprah interview aired about how the BP courtiers wrote an official response statement and wanted the Queen to sign but she refused? Then they released it anyway without her signature. I think things are very, very messy behind the scenes.

      • Asha says:

        I heard those reports but that the queen vetoed their statement and made them issue what was actually released. Meaning, they still have to ask and she has to give approval.

        It’s just getting hard for me to buy the excuse that this lady has no idea wtf is going on.

      • Sid says:

        Asha, my understanding might be wrong but I recall it being that she didn’t sign off on it at all. For me, it is actually getting easier to believe that the Queen is being overruled by Charles, her staff, and William. Things have fallen off a cliff ever since Charles and Andrew forced her old private secretary out. That they even had the power to do that is telling.

      • Brielle says:

        @Sid is the British monarchy a racist,imperialistic,white supremacist institution ?was she the head for 60-70 years? Why is she suddenly absolved? Was she the head when there were those policies about not hiring minorities in the 60s til now? Even though she is old now,Charles is just running from what he took from her,a messy and racist institution who doesn’t want minorities working for them or ‘o shock,horror’ being a part of their family…and also I know old white ppl,and they are racist as fuck,in France they are the ones voting the most for Marine Le pen and racist ppl can also be very nice

      • Sid says:

        @Brielle, I don’t believe I implied that QEII is absolved of any of that. I commented on the current situation and my opinion of what is going on right now.

    • Becks1 says:

      Apparently after the interview the Queen ordered all briefing against the Sussexes to stop – Max Foster and I think one other reporter confirmed that – and that lasted for a few days and then they were back to it.

      Honestly, I think part of the reason BP is not issuing an official statement on this IS because the queen would have to sign off on it, and at that point she wouldn’t back up the senior sources, so they would look stupid – so they’re trying to protect themselves by not issuing a statement.

  22. Lauren says:

    Harry and Meghan had their lawyers put BBC on notice. They are not letting any media fck around with their kids. I love it.

  23. Krista says:

    Have a feeling more and more these palace aids are Charles yes men and that he is even more pissed he doesn’t have full control over the firm still.

    I said it a few articles ago but honestly Charles seems like a senior board member trying to push out the CEO of the firm. Except Betty ain’t having it

  24. Jillian says:

    Any polite person would mention it, ahead of time, to a relative if they planned to give their baby said relative’s personal and unique nickname. I just think any normal person would “ask permission” in this case; of course they spoke to the queen about it and it has nothing to do with her being queen

  25. Mina_Esq says:

    Unless the Queen somehow trademarked the name, IDGF whether or not she is OK with it.

  26. Harper says:

    I would have thought that TOB was blabbing to the BBC if he wasn’t supposedly mad at them about Bashir. Do we know for sure that Prince Elegant the Incandescent wouldn’t leak to the BBC anyway to continue to make Harry look disrespectful? Anyone else notice that there is never a storyline where William and the Queen are close? It’s ALL Harry and his grandma zooming and having tea and lunches at Windsor and sending waffle-makers. I think Betty has no use for William with his temper and his constant shirking of duty, and likewise, William avoids her when he can because she calls him on his laziness when they are in private. There is a significant lack of stories of George and Charlotte and Louis hanging with the Queen–it’s always Granny Middleton. The Queen snubbing Kate on the steps of Windsor is telling. Things are not that rosy between her and the Cambridges.

    • Sid says:

      Harper, William has always seemed the odd one out with regard to being close with the Queen. You heard about him spending time with her growing up for “future king” lessons, but nothing really warm or granny and grandson like. On the other hand, you always heard how tight she was with Harry, Beatrice, and Eugenie. Anne’s kids too. That says something.

      • MsIam says:

        Peter Phillips has been mentioned as the Queen’s favorite grandson. I wondered if it was because she didn’t want to show favoritism to the heir since he will get all the perks anyway but maybe its because TOB is just a crap person.

    • Catherine says:

      TOB has a long term deal with the BBC for his EarthShot Prize. He is not mad at them. He is not really mad at the BBC. He just wants the Panorama interview to go away. Johnny Dymond had definitely demonstrated that he is a William sycophant. So don’t discount his potential involvement. The BM and the courtiers are incensed that they didn’t have access to any info about Lili’s birth. I’m sure they thought they would get something. So this is their revenge. The thing that is interesting to me is that members of the Rota are actually contradicting each other.

      • Harper says:

        Catherine, thanks for reminding us of the Earthshot agreement. TOB has a lot riding on Earthshot taking off and being his legacy project (along with saving Scotland!). He is not going to burn a bridge with the BBC. The BBC didn’t say which palace the source is from, so KP is still in the running. I can see William casually saying, “No, Harry didn’t ask for permission” just to take some of the shine off of Harry’s moment with Lilibet’s birth. The original smear campaign was just to take H&M down a notch after they were too popular on their tour, so it’s in William’s bag of tricks.

    • tolly says:

      I like this theory. Harry, a blood royal, was already on the record saying that the queen was consulted, so it would be odd to rely on a lower-ranking anonymous source to contradict him. This could be like the Daily Mail suit all over again, when the editor said that he had a conversation with a very highly-placed royal source for the authorship concerns, and everyone assumed that it must be William.

      • The Hench says:

        Good point – or Charles. Now I have Hong Kong Fuey in my head…

        “Who is the super source?”
        “Is it Sarge, the Royal Protection Officer?”
        “Is it Rosemary the palace switchboard operator?”
        “Is it William the, er, mild-mannered heir?”
        “COULD BE!!!!”

    • notasugarhere says:

      Bill isn’t anti-BBC; the BBC is one big leg propping up the monarchy.

      BBC is funded via license fees paid by the public. In the past, there were billions in taxpayer subsidies for elders. That’s why RepublicUK threatens to sue them every so often, when they do a bunch of pro-royal pandering shows.

      Since many people paying those fees are anti-monarchy? RepublicUK doesn’t want royal coverage and royal documentaries paid by those fees. BBC is essentially pro-monarchy propaganda, unwillingly paid for by people who want the monarchy gone.

  27. teehee says:



    • Snuffles says:

      No, but I’ve noticed that some are furious that apparently Harry and Meghan bought the domain for Lilibet Diana already. I bet they are also in the process of trademarking it. Some would say it’s to profit but it’s to protect them from OTHERS trying to profit. Beyoncé and Jay Z did the same when Blue Ivy was born.

      And if them securing the domain already happened, then they have long known what they planned to name the baby and probably cleared it with Granny.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        “but it’s to protect them from OTHERS trying to profit.”

        I have posted this same type of comment on four different sites today.

  28. Lowrider says:

    Another non story being made into a story and by the BBC! Imagine watching your evening news as BBC reports on a baby’s name.

  29. JRenee says:

    Maybe they selected a girls name and a boys name during the 1st pregnancy and since they only used the boys name, they just used the girls name already discussed and selected years ago. I’m sure a lot of planning went into the naming.
    Eff the royal rata..

  30. Snuffles says:

    Maybe Harry discussed the name with the Queen when he was in the UK after the funeral. He did meet with her privately before returning to the US.

    As far as how the Queen able to keep secrets from courtiers and Charles. I’m sure she has people in her midst that are completely loyal to her and more than willing to facilitate her phone calls and Zooms.

  31. Amy Bee says:

    Charles is the person behind this mess. The courtiers are doing his bidding. The BBC royal reporter said on air that the Queen sanctioned this briefing. I have a hard time believing this. It was Charles.

    • Nic919 says:

      I’ve seen Angela Kelly mentioned and to me she’s the perfect source for this kind of petty story. She would be most offended not to have been told something like that by the Queen.

    • Nyro says:

      Someone made a good point on Twitter. Anytime you see a story that’s negative about the Sussexes and the queen, just put Charles name in place of the queens and it makes much more sense.

  32. MA says:

    These people are insane. Do they realize how poorly this makes the palace look? It’s bizarre, no one needs permission to make their child after someone or run it by their staff. Normal people have moved on.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      The Daily Fail is not “normal people”. The Daily Fail is an virulent organism that has only one function which is to generate money.

  33. Sure says:

    Just reminded via twitter that Johnny Dymond recently cited palace sources in “reporting” that M had radicalised H. Me thinks it’s JD who’s been radicalised by palace sources.

  34. Cat C says:

    I’m willing to bet Harry did call and the Queen is pleased as punch to have kept that so close to the vest.

    • Robin says:

      Me too. I also think they discussed the name with her some time ago, and that she was delighted and gave her blessing.

  35. DS9 says:

    These people really are doing the most for no reason.

    H&M don’t need permission to name their child anything they please, even granny’s nickname. There is also no way Charles cares that this kid has a nickname he’s “not allowed” to call his mother.

    And I thought from their perspective H&M were nobodies, their children even less so so again, wut?

  36. Crowned Huntress says:

    H&M have delicately let it be known that the Queen isn’t in charge of that ship. This current display of nonsense makes me feel like the Queen needs to be careful of the people around her. If she no longer serves the Firm’s purpose, they’ll figure out a way to get rid of her sooner than later.
    No one would blink and eye if she passed at 95 either.

    If they keep this up Harry will pull out more evidence as a means to protect her from her own Institution & courtiers.

    • Brielle says:

      But the queen was in charge of that institution for 70 years at least:it’s a colonial,racist and white supremacist institution and she was the head of that…but I guess she retired from racism since she is 95

    • Jegede says:

      By going to a national institute like the BBC, the Queen has sanctioned her courtiers to put this out there.

      And as convenient as it to believe that it’s ALL Charles, William, Kate e.t.c later history will show Lizzie played a role too.

      • Brielle says:

        @Jegede totally agree with you but now many want us to believe that the queen is a frail old lady and that Charles and the courtiers are running the show…as if we didn’t learn last week that under her reign in the 60s when I hope she has all her mental faculties ,she didn’t want anti discrimination policy in her household and those are still in place to this day…If Harry and Meghan believe that the institution became only racist when Meghan entered that family ,fine but we know the queen was a symbol of colonialism and white supremacy (there is a story where Oxford students don’t want Elisabeth portraits anymore because she represents colonialism)….The queen is a old Racist lady who was nice to Meghan and Harry likes her despite her racism and it’s normal,it’s his grandmother

  37. MMadison says:

    I’m waiting to see who is out. Like with Jason and the Cambridge’s someone will be leaving Buckingham Palace very soon….but who?

  38. MsIam says:

    The baby is not even a week old and there is already a huge mess. The Sussexes should never go back, save for Petty’s funeral, to that toxic stew. And for Charles not to step up and put a stop to this is unconscionable. He has no problem putting the spin out there about “slimming down the monarchy” and making himself look like the de facto king but he’s allowing this mess to spin out of control? His “crises managers” should put out a statement that everyone is fine with the name and that is that. But part of me wonders if this is not Middleton manufactured drama too? Too many eyes on the US and Baby Lilibet perhaps?

  39. L says:

    If it’s true Harry really talked to the Queen and informed her about the birth and asked her about her name and she didn’t say anything to the courties.. I LOVE IT!!! lmao what are they’re going to do? Tell the Queen «no you can’t do that. You have to tell us.» I do understand there are protocols in place, but if the Queen herself knew and she was fine with it then it should be all good? And maybe if the royal circles could quit their leaking and smearing everytime they hear something from M&H, M&H would actually talk to them and keep a somewhat regular update on what’s going on with them. But I understand 100% why they don’t.

    • AD says:

      Sometimes I wonder if they are mad because William and Kate did not think of the name first. Really if you think about it they really did call CHECKMATE!

      But the Queen needs to stop this and she can if she wants to. As I said before, one statement and it will be over. They sit there and let the media massacre the couple. Even when they know the truth.

      • Snuffles says:

        I dunno man. At this point I wonder how much control she does have. She’s 95, grieving and her son has been slowly taking over for quite some time now. Removing trusted advisers and installing his personal lackeys.

        I think her all encompassing power is waning and there is a power struggle going down between Clarence House, Buckingham Palace and Kensington Palace. It’s a total cluster fuck.

      • Marivic says:

        @AD, you’re right it boils down to William and Kate’s jealousy over the fact that they didn’t get to think first about the name Lilibet for their daughter. For the nth time they’re overshadowed. Giving the name Lilibet to Lili makes the Cambridges feel that they were one upped by the Sussexes.

  40. Chelsea says:

    Just clowns all around on this story. Instead of taking the W of this birth and name drowning out the Guardian story from last week about the Palace’s previous ban on poc working in clerical roles and BP’s still existent exemption to anti discriminatory laws, the palace has decdided to lash out because they are mad Harry still has a direct line to the Queen and that she kept what he told her in confidence. Nevermind that this was a cute story that added to this (unearned) lore of the Queen as this sweet old granny. No let’s instead prove that Harry and Meghan were telling the truth when they said the palace continually tries to ubdermine them with lies and wanted to change King George’s convention so that their kids won’t become prince/cess when Charles becomes king. Because if theyre freaking out about their daughter being named after the Queen to the point of running to the Beeb do you really think they’ll let her become a princess? Nahh.

    Also: let’s talk abiut the clownery from the BBC. Now that Harry has brought in the lawyers do they expect the same palace that sent Diana’s other son out looking like he was in a hostage video to trash them a few weeks ago to turn around and come to their defence? They shouldve just let that story die in the tabloids but they chose to air it anyway. Play stupid games: win stupid prizes.

    • Love your way of words CHELSEA. …..”Just clowns all around on this story.” And —- “ Play stupid games: Win stupid prizes.” Perfect!

    • Nic919 says:

      I mentioned this below but for BBC to go ahead with this story their palace source would have to be a significant personage at BP. They aren’t the Sun or the DM. So I think it was Angela Kelly who spoke with them. I am also prepared to consider edward young, the queens Secretary but I don’t think he would take it as personally about not knowing the baby’s name. Meanwhile Kelly thinks she’s the Queen’s bestest friend.

      So BBC is going to have to cut a deal or reveal their source. I sure wish they would do the latter.

  41. Serena says:

    They’re really trying anything to stir up ANY controversy they’re straight up lying. And they call themselves media.. trash is a more befitting name.


  42. Over it says:

    I can’t believe that instead of people just being happy that Megs was able to carry and deliver her baby healthy, they are raining on her and Harry and Archie and Doria happy parade with all this bullshit.Ffs what is wrong with brits in the palaces and media ? Back the F off let the people be happy it’s not even been a week .

    • Nyro says:

      Meghan and her kids are not safe in that country. I know his grandmother would like to see them in person but Meghan and the babies shouldn’t ever go. Maybe if the queen could find a way to maybe travel to another country under guise of needing a vacation or something and meet up with the Sussexes, IDK. But I know Britains hate her and those babies and would physically harm them if they could. And people can miss me with the “not all Brits” bullcrap, please. What a cesspool of a nation.

      • Alexandria says:

        @Nyro it’s gotten so bad I swore never to set foot on GB. I even refused to buy a Dyson.

        Their kids are not safe there and it would be even harder for Harry to provide private protection for them because his job opportunities would be severely limited by the institution. He would then be held hostage by his father and brother and even sister in law and her mother! Just so that he can get some money to get private protection for the kids. That’s no way to live. This would stress their marriage because both of them have to sacrifice themselves to be under the bus and then generational trauma because their kids are next as scapegoats. That’s insane!

      • Robin says:

        Exactly. The hate got to the point I thought one or both of them would be killed if they stayed here. It was febrile. I’m so glad they got away.

  43. Sofia says:

    This seems like courtiers getting upset that *they* weren’t told about the name and/or upset that the queen isn’t telling them everything because if she didn’t tell them this, what else isn’t she telling them which leads to fear in people (the courtiers) who are used to controlling the royals.

  44. Over it says:

    World leaders heading to the uk for the g7 summit are shaking their heads right about now about what exactly is wrong with the brits. Why can’t they behave and act civilized. It’s so embarrassing. Chucky should use this opportunity to ask his media to behave because it makes his lack of keeping them in line , makes him look even weaker

    • BayTampaBay says:

      Do not want to slight my English CB friends but what is going on with Boris and the current government. Boris cannot get along with Scotland, Northern Ireland, The EU and to some degree Joe Biden. Forget the BRF (Brenda, Chucky, Baldy and my name is “Archie”) because in the grand global scheme they are really not that important, what I want to know is what Boris Johnson wants.

      • Robin says:

        BayTampaBay. Hi from the UK! Who knows what Johnson wants. I’ve heard his primary objective, thoughout the whole of his life, has been to be liked by everyone, despite being a nasty piece of work. Covid and his Brexit projections have shown that he has no core beliefs or grasp of the facts. He simply lies and, when confronted with his lies, laughes them off. I have never known a British PM given such a relatively easy ride; it’s almost as if he lives in a bubble of nonsense. His personal life is such a shambles. Until recently, his behaviour would have got him sacked, certainly as leader of the Tories; as leader of the opposition, he would have been pilloried from all sides. His complaining about the PM salary, which is “too little” and “he’d never work for such a pittance again”, shows the pathetic character he is. Essentially, he hasn’t got the money to upkeep all his kids, or the sense of public duty to carry the office because of his political convictions. He won’t even answer whether he uses state education for his children. There is nothing of substance to him. And yet, I would ask, what does the British public want? Because at this point there is no ground swell of absolute disgust with the man. I don’t know whether this will change once we are, hopefully, post pandemic and a critical reassessment can be made. I know this sounds awful, but in a way covid kept him safe – a lot of people I know will say, he’s doing his best, no one else would want to be PM at this time etc. It’s mindblowing.

    • Demi says:

      Someone on Twitter wrote how come an infant’s name is breaking news in the UK and all those articles written by grown-ass men&women about a baby’s name..
      they have more serious problems going on Brexit catastrophic effect already showing the people in the fishing industry & farmers are already strugglings that’s the news!!

  45. Beach Dreams says:

    What the hell are the crisis managers doing??? They were allegedly supposed to right the ship but things have only gotten worse since they got on board last month. The BRF and the BBC look incredibly petty and cruel to drum up this hostility over a newborn baby’s name.

    • Nyro says:

      IMO, there should be no coming back from this. They are openly doing to Lilibet what they’ve done to Meghan for five years now. I truly cannot believe how vile his brother and father are.

    • Korra says:

      Since May, I keep reading comments here about where are the crisis managers. I am convinced they gave up and are just doing what the royal family wants, or they are in on it. Either way, no expectation for improved messaging at this point. This is who the BRF is and they will always operate this way.

  46. Nyro says:

    After the queen dies, Harry needs to cut these people out of his and his family’s lives. These people are incapable of family love and family bonds. William and Charles are very very bad people. And they won’t ever stop. Any and every time they have contact with Harry, even indirectly, they will use it to lie and bring harm against his family. They are doing this to his five day old daughter as we speak.

    • Brielle says:

      Charles and William are inheriting this institution from whom?why is it run so poorly?in the end the queen is responsible for the mess:she was at the head for 70 years…why would Harry cut the monarchy after the queen dies? He still presents himself with the titles bestowed to him by that institution ,he likes the monarchy and his unearned titles and privileges just not by ppl who run it at the moment

  47. Likeyoucare says:

    You know what to be funny?
    During the g7 summit, betty pass her present for lilibeth to biden so that biden can pass the present to H&M🤭

  48. Amy Bee says:

    Harry didn’t inform Charles and he’s jealous of Harry’s relationship with the Queen. This is the real story behind this mess.

    • Brielle says:

      We don’t know their relationship,only 5%…this is only speculations…Charles is very happy to have a fifth grandchildren,he said it this morning

      • Keri says:

        Charles said it, so it must be so. Yeah, the same Charles who pulled their security in Canada despite the heightened level of risk and death threats against this family thanks to him and William inciting hate against them via the press. The same Charles who then leaked their location and could have cared less if his actions caused their deaths. But yes, he’s so happy to have a 5th mixed raced grandchild. So happy that he planned to change the letters of patent to exclude Archie, his first mixed race grandchild, from automatically inheriting the title of Prince upon his ascension to the throne. The same Charles who lied about supporting the Sussexes financially while cutting them off behind the scenes. That Charles. So honest and loving!

        God I hope Harry and Meghan sue the pants off of the BBC and they are forced to out the senior aide (aka William or Charles’ hired hack). Take down and destroy the British mafia er media one by one. Will be watching with a big ole bowl of popcorn.

      • Well said, KERI.

      • Nyro says:

        Brielle is a frustrated royalist who’s pissed about a baby’s name and Harry’s defense of his mixed family.

      • Beach Dreams says:

        Definitely @Nyro. Brielle was one of the handful of shady posters claiming Harry “wants to be a third wheel again” when he went to Philip’s funeral and showing faux concern for Meghan. Best to ignore her nonsense.

      • Lady D says:

        Seriously? Can I ask you what in his treatment of the four grandchildren he already has makes you think he’s thrilled or even cares about another one? This is the man who hid in his castle when his newborn grandson was compared to a well-dressed chimpanzee and this is the man who abruptly cut security for his son and new grandson hoping for the worst. He’s not thrilled in the least. No one in that family of filthy racists ever wanted either of those children born in the first place.

      • Nyro says:

        @Lady D, thank you. Charles doesn’t even care about the white grandkids outside of their royal status. He doesn’t have a paternal bone in his body and should not have had kids.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        “Yeah, the same Charles who pulled their security in Canada despite the heightened level of risk and death threats against this family”

        I am going to give Charles III a slight break on this as I believe there is much more to this story that we know.

        “The same Charles who then leaked their location and could have cared less if his actions caused their deaths.”

        I do not believe that Charles had anything to do with this leak. I believe the courtiers of Clarence House passed on the Canadian location of the Sussexes to the courtiers at Kensington Palace who then leaked it.

      • Brielle says:

        @Nyro I am a black woman married to a white man and who had mixed children,how can I be pissed that Harry is defending his wife and his child? Au contraire I was super happy when they left after years of Meghan’s abuse and I am French so I am far from a royalist and I hate titles…why do you have to paint everyone who disagree with you as some royalist pissed at that name? What I don’t like is ppl telling me that Liz is some old frail lady who isn’t racist:Lizbeth maybe not be sharp anymore but she was the head of colonial empire when she began her reign and she is a racist who allowed discriminatory laws banning minorities from office work(maybe the Guardian was lying) and those laws are still in place to this day…Harry and Meghan can name their baby whatever they want(I mean it’s their baby,who am I to tell them otherwise? I pushed babies so I know what Meghan went through ) but nobody can make me believe that Lilibeth is some innocent woman who happens to be the queen of England:she is/was a racist queen at the head of a racist colonial white supremacist institution and now she is passing it to Charles and she was also nice to Meghan(she was also married to a known racist,her mother and her sister were also racists,and Harry did some racist things ..so….and I won’t twist myself believing other things because Harry and Meghan said so

      • Nyro says:

        Sure. Ok.

    • Robin says:

      Agreed. I think it’s Charles. At this point I think the Queen has zoned out of it all and only wants happy news around her. I suspect she knew of the choice of name because it was discussed with her directly by M&H. I imagine it gave her great joy. Charles is the one who felt bitter because he was left out.

  49. Daisy says:

    I bet a loyal lady in waiting has an iPhone stashed, or lets Betty use her phone. Wouldn’t be surprised if Harry and Meghan provided Betty with her own cell. Agree with you guys saying it’s fam vs firm with Betty.

  50. Athena says:

    BP should issue a statement that the queen was aware and gave permission. The person who gave the information to the BBC should be fired.
    I remember reading articles when other royal babies were born that the queen is told ahead of time of the chosen names and if she has any objections a change is made. This is her majesty the Queen, there is no way they would have named their child by her pet name without her approval.
    I’m sure W&K are probably livid about the name. Harry claimed his daughter’s birthright so Charles’ plan not to acknowledge these children seems irrelevant.
    Who gets so bent out of shape over a child’s name?

  51. Legalese says:

    This is all so sad. It’s a baby!! There shouldn’t be anything but positive and joyful headlines about the subject. Yet Harry’s family is allowing palace courtiers to start all of this drama and feed such negativity.

    I hope this has made Harry think twice if he had any plans to go to the UK in the future. Those people – his family included – do nothing give a shit about him, his wife, or his children. If they did, they wouldn’t have allowed this to happen. BP would have put out a statement to debunk the rumors. Lord knows they’ve put out statements on much less significant matters.

    • mariahlee says:

      You’d think by now it would click with him…. as long as Harry insists on being publicly tied to his family, Meghan and her babies will never know peace.

      • Legalese says:

        Agreed. I know he loves his grandmother, but I believe she could put an end to all the nasty briefings about Lili if she really wanted to, and she hasn’t. I support them 100% and obviously we don’t know what goes on behind the scenes but it’s hard to reconcile all of that. If I were Meghan or Harry I can’t imagine the anguish I would feel knowing there are people out there who have so much hatred for my children.

      • MA says:

        The sad reality is that there’s nothing Harry, or Meghan could do to know peace from the British media and palace. Both are obsessed with them. Look at them paying back Frogmore, leaving the country, giving up Sussex Royal, and all that. Putting that on Harry is unfair.

      • Nyro says:

        She is a super elderly person. Like most 95 year olds, I’m just going to assume that she’s not all there as far as clarity of mind and energy. The queen so many of us see in our minds is 25 years younger and stomping her feet over being forced to do right by her dead former daughter-in-law. There’s a huge difference between a 70 year old and a 95 year old. For this reason, I don’t want her to speak. Who knows how easily she could be convinced of a complete lie by the courtiers because she can’t recall everything she did or didn’t say during that conversation. No, let Harry and Meghan’s lawyers and their receipts do the talking.

      • Becks1 says:

        Harry is always going to be publicly tied to his family, there’s nothing he can do about it. At least now, he and Meghan can push back.

  52. L4frimaire says:

    I hope they sue and it’s obvious that the Firm haven’t caught up with the fact that Harry and Meghan are truly private and do not need to involve the palace apparatus in their personal decisions. They just can’t leak lies without consequences or pushback now, and no way will they allow their children to be attacked. No way would they have named their child Lilibet without involving the Queen first. The fact is a lot of people are upset to the point of willing to lose their jobs over the fact that the Queen’s mixed race great grandchild has her most intimate name. Even queens want eternity in other ways and Lilibet will continue on. They birthed an icon.

  53. Nic919 says:

    I am stealing this from the Twitter account my Royal burner account, but Angela Kelly was suggested as the palace source and it makes 100% sense. Kelly would be the most pissed at not knowing something like the baby’s name and the Queen keeping it from her. She would expect to know everything told to the Queen. Also, she’s close enough to the Queen that the BBC would take what she says seriously and believe what she is saying about not knowing the baby’s name.

    It’s also petty, cruel and bitchy and we already know she played those games with the tiara. And it’s likely Harry warned the Queen to specifically not tell Kelly because he already doesn’t like her over the tiara incident and leak to the press.

    • Paisley25 says:

      I’m coming at this from another angle. I think the Queen knew the name in advance and Angela Kelly found out and leaked the name a few weeks ago. I don’t think it’s an accident that Lilibet/Lily became such a popular choice with the baby name guessers. Maybe Angela thought Harry and Meghan would be upset and drop the name? And when they didn’t, dropped a story that the Queen wasn’t asked but informed about the name?

  54. aquarius64 says:

    This was all levels of stupid. If this goes to court doesn’t the BBC have to name the palace snitch under oath? Dollar bet the households are picking which courtier will be the sacrificial lamb.

  55. Jay says:

    Oof. Haven’t the media learned their lesson from Jason Knauf? Palace sources are all very good until Meghan’s lawyers sue you for millions. Then, you’re the one left holding the bag. Why die on this hill, BBC?

    I am kind of surprised the Queen has not issued a statement that clears things up, but maybe that would get too personal? Something like “The queen saw her newest grandchild and namesake over the weekend and is sending a silver rattle she herself was given as a child. She was honoured when Harry and Meghan told her the baby would bear her nickname and couldn’t wait to meet her.” Regardless of what really may have happened (and, in my opinion, it seems more in character that H and M told her before), letting the households squabble for a week seems like a very bad look. The queen (or Charles) could squash this if they wanted to – so why don’t they want to?

  56. Snuffles says:

    Philip the family enforcer retired 5 years ago. Now dead. Queen, 95, probably hasn’t been all there for some time. Grieving. Charles has been slowly taking over the past 5 ish years. Ousting her loyal private secretary and installing his own sycophant. It’s become easier and easier to keep her out of the loop and handle her because of her age and the fact the people she trusted are getting phased out. She’s surrounded by vipers. And people are using her name and image to hide behind as they pull all kinds of shit.

    I’m not saying she’s a saint. I’m saying there is a power vacuum that started with Philip retiring. Kensington Palace went rogue. All of the royal courts are briefing against each other. Charles is trying to shore up his power while his son is trying to jump his place in line. Throw in desperate social climbing Middletons trying to secure Kate’s future because they fear William’s wandering scepter. As well as Charles because he probably hates their asses too because they have more sway over the 3rd, 4th and 5th in line than he does.

    Then there is the Sussex’s exiled and setting up a “court” outside of his reach and gaining worldwide social currency.

    Total clusterfuck.

    • Nic919 says:

      I agree with this. And throw in vipers like AK47 who believes herself close to the Queen and you have got a mess.

      • Nyro says:

        AK47 started a lot of this mess with her “what Meghan wants, Meghan gets” lie she ran to the press with. Makes a lot of sense because she fits into the exact demographic that hates Meghan more than anyone. She probably had a crush on Harry too.

      • February-Pisces says:

        AK47 is another Paul Burrell except that she’s probably even worse. When the queen dies she will make a career out of her with tv appearances and books. I think she’s kissing willies ass and carries water for him because she wants to be kept on once the queen is gone, but I don’t think it will happen. Willie will use her then toss her in the trash.

    • Becks1 says:

      Yup. It’s a mess over there and I think things are just getting uglier.

    • Angelica Schuyler says:

      Such a perfect way to summarize the whole situation. I’m also toying with the idea that Harry, Meghan and the Queen are sitting back to watch exactly where the leaks are coming from, and just which courtiers are pushing back on the stories that they know were not shared outside of the Sussexes and the Queen. They are giving themselves away….

    • Sid says:

      ITA Snuffles. I’ll also add that as I watch my own older relatives move further in their elderly years, I have come to see that there is a lot of truth in the idea that as you get older the weaker or worse aspects of your personality intensify. QEII had the reputation of often sticking her head in the sand to avoid conflict and leaving it to others. Someone with that sort of personality isn’t going to magically turn into a leader at the age of 95. If anything, it will be the opposite.

    • Sofia says:

      Yup. You’ve also got Andy trying to claw his way back in but with little luck and the Wessexes (mainly Sophie) trying to secure their future as working royals and doing their own PR

    • Ann says:

      Well said. And love “wandering scepter.” Promise I won’t steal it though.

  57. Alexandria says:

    End of day, these courtier rats and media rats need to be cornered. Make them sit down, give them tea and ask them: Are you actually mad, stomping your feet and howling at the moon… because of a name?

  58. Nivz says:

    The so called reporter Jonny Dymond tweeted the Sussexes pushback to his original story as an update.

  59. Margaret says:

    The bm, rr, brf and trolls have lost their ever loving minds. The Sussexes honor the old girl by naming their child after her, and this is the hateful response. It is plain creepy the lengths these clowns are going to.
    The whole discussion is inappropriate. The queen does not own the name, other women have that name also. The Sussexes can name the baby anything they want. The hate brigade are really showing their ignorance and hate. Mores the pity, much to do about nothing.

    • Nyro says:

      It’s so inappropriate and hateful. Numerous granddaughters, great-granddaughters, random younger cousins, goddaughters, etc named after her. Yet for this particular baby girl, they’re acting like she and her parents stole something and they had better give it back or else. They’re acting like a slave master who didn’t approve of a slave’s name. It’s truly disgusting. One bright spot is seeing so many regular people pushing back on this. Like I’m seeing non-Sussex squad threads where a good 95 percent of people are fed up and disgusted by this. They all clearly see that the palace is now bullying a newborn baby and trying to taint her name and therefore her whole existence.

    • Ann says:

      My mother is Elizabeth, as was her mother and my sister. She grew up in the era of the young QE2 so she likes and admires her. And she sometimes called my sister “Lilibet” when she was little because she knew it was the Queen’s pet name and she liked it. It didn’t stick (my sister had a different, more common nickname) but I was familiar with it before I knew who the Queen was.

      Like you said, no one owns that name. It’s very common. Whoops, sorry, I mean “royal”.

    • Christine says:

      Perfectly said!

  60. lanne says:

    This should be a joyous time, and the courtiers are so bitter that they can’t even extend well wishes to the grandson of the Queen. There should be no question as to the racism of the royal family and their courtiers. Over a baby’s name. They couldn’t contain their racism when presented with the 8th in line to the British throne. And this right before the g7 summit. Have they no sense of the future? Have they no care for their brand? Are they willing to fight a pr war with the Sussexes on a global stage? Over a baby? Shame on the British royal family.

  61. Babz says:

    F**k around and find out, palace courtiers and British media. You keep royally pissing off the Ginger Prince, and he will burn. It. Down. The legal letter to the BBC is likely the last warning you’re going to get from the Sussexes. They are done. They can now fight back, and Harry will only take so much, and when he unleashes the lawyers fully, don’t even THINK about playing the victim. You’ve been warned…

    • L4frimaire says:

      The BBC was already under fire from both the palace the right wing press, with some wanting to privatize it. They really are stepping into it. These people need to learn to ruminate on news instead of react with such combativeness. The level of desperation for a scoop. We ain’t never seeing that little girl if they keep this up.

      • Babz says:

        I agree with you. To think that the BBC has stepped into it up to their necks is absolutely astounding. Especially following on the heels of the Diana/Bashir debacle.

      • Babz says:

        I agree with you. To think that the BBC has stepped into it up to their necks is absolutely astounding. Especially following on the heels of the Diana/Bashir debacle. At this rate, our girl will be entering college before we ever see her!

  62. macko says:

    The fact that Harry and Meghan has ZOOM video evidence of him talking with Granny, showing her her great granddaughter and asking about the name, should be enough to make the libel threat give the BBC pause. You would think!

  63. Tessa says:

    Just click bait articles triggering the usual bot comments.

  64. Oh says:

    Why did they name her Lilibet if she will be known as Lili? That old woman doesn’t deserve to be honored….Lili Diana would be such a cute name.

  65. Pink says:

    I’m just gonna say it, I think it’s a terrible name. I also don’t get the general BRF obsession with naming kids after each other, especially when someone marries in, it just feels weird that the kids are always named after royal members and not the non royal side of their family.

    • Ann says:

      I get your point, but maybe Meghan feels like Harry left his country and his family to live in her home state, near her mother, and this is a way of letting him keep those ties? To the women in his family who mean a lot to him? Of course she suffered a lot there and it’s his job as husband and father to protect her and the children, but this can’t be easy for him no matter that he made the right choice for all of them.

      I don’t like Lilibet, but I like Lili and that’s what she’ll be called. I figure Meghan likes the name. What’s not to like about Lili?

      • swirlmamad says:

        I think your take is really spot on. I really like Lili too, and TBH Lilibet has been growing on me since first hearing it.

  66. GGRosey says:

    Its a shame the world can’t just celebrate news of birth without all the argy-bargy that goes with it?

  67. Nlopez says:

    Glad the racist Telegraph fired Ole hateful Julie birchill for her racist tweet and calling Lil Diana ” it” instead of a baby. Good riddance to her saltine ass!

    • Ann says:

      Oh wow, really?! OK, I just looked that up. Holy cow. She suggested they name the baby “Georgina Floydana.” Great, mock a newborn AND a murdered man. What a prize.

      Also, she isn’t one to talk about parenting. Apparently she left her 5-year-old son and didn’t see him for ten years.

  68. lanne says:

    What’s the point of this protest by the royals? Do they want H and M to change the baby’s name? Would that be a “victory” for them? What do they win? They let the world know that this child isn’t what, good enough? White enough? To be named after her great grandmother? Would that give the courtiers satisfaction? What the hell do they think they are protecting? Once again, They make themselves the villains. As this sweet baby grows up, we will all remember this. I hope Lili never sets foot in the U.K., and never goes near a royal reporter. These people keep showing the world who they are. We must believe them. And condemn them.

    • RoyalBlue says:

      The point is to distract from whatever disaster is looming over the country and to cover the faux pas of certain people in charge. Exaggerate a non-issue irresponsibly, using their platform. It’s almost criminal.

    • Nyro says:

      They want them to change her name so that Baldy and Doormat can change Charlotte’s name to Lilibet.

      • RoyalBlue says:

        good point Nyro. Practically from the moment Charlotte flew out the womb the pundits have been crying that she is the image of the queen. now they are pissed they didn’t think of shortening her nickname to lilibet.

  69. Christine says:

    This is so incredibly bitchy and petty, I wouldn’t believe it, except it’s the royal family, so of course they are this ridiculous.

    I am REALLY curious, I would like someone, ANYONE, to explain to me who feels better thinking this article is true? Which side is propped up by this ridiculous “palace source”, because from where I am sitting, it’s absolutely no one. Do these people get paid? Even if they are just hanging around with no pay, there can’t really be people who think anyone is served by this narrative.

    FYI, “palace source”, YOU look like the problem, because you are. There is no grandmother on the planet who is angry when their grandchildren love them enough to want to carry on her name, any name. I know! I named my son after my Grandpa, same first, middle, and last. Guess how many people are irritated by my son’s name? Yeah, it’s zero, obviously, you fools.
    Seriously, this is utter crap.

  70. Jais says:

    I’m just tired and angry bout all this outrage. Really really hope that they have a big bubble protecting them and especially Meghan from this hatred.
    What do they want? I’ve always thought they wanted Meghan in the middle of the square and stoned or burned at the stake, metaphorically but maybe literally at this point. Like what tension valve release does society get from this? Cuz they(the part of society that revels in their abuse)are absolutely getting off on this and it’s rough to witness. Again, hope they are in a cocoon and have hardened their shells enough to where they truly DGAF but they’re human and it’s hard. The idea of bringing babies into this nonstop persecution probably greatly explains meghan’s feelings during her last pregnancy. I cannot imagine but know they will protect and burn down those that threaten their kids.

  71. Noor says:

    A joyful event on the naming of baby became a fodder for scandalous gossip and tabloids are hurling a variety of accusations against her parents like presumptuous, demeaning, rude to the Queen and so on.

    Lilli will grow up and learn to read the trashy and mean accusations on the day she was born.

    Lilli will learn that her great grandmother the Queen and her grandfather the future King and her uncle the future future King and her grand aunt the Princess Royal stood silent while the senseless abuse continued. The very people who could have easily stand up for Lilli did not.

    Indeed the Royals are trapped by their own doings.

  72. lee says:

    The palace source. Or he who is too gutless to be named. Stop hiding behind a 95 year old woman’s skirts and reveal yourself. What kind of person would use the birth of an innocent child to attack his parents? Its unbelievable the uproar over a grandson naming his child after a grandparent. People name their kids Hitler and don’t get this kind of outrage. Does anyone in that family realize how toxic they look outside of their publicity hound syncophants? How toxic they look to people of color in their Commonwealth?

  73. Athena says:

    Is the palace still having the two weeks on, two weeks off with the Queen’s staff? It might explain why Angela Kelly didn’t know about the baby name. Could have been her two weeks off. My money is on Angela as the culprit, but since the queen is 95 and may not want a change in staff, the delay in responding is them trying to figure out what to do next.

  74. Marivic says:

    The Queen didn’t tell them about phone call with own grandson Harry because she’s living the mantra : never complain, never explain.

    The royal rota are mad. They don’t know how much they make the royal family look bad in the eyes of world.

  75. candy says:

    I doubt the Queen is this much in the dark about what her aides are up to. You don’t go rogue on TQ. These directives come from the top, especially in organizations like this.

  76. Tessa says:

    The Queen can end this nonsense with a statement. She got out of continuing the Burrell trial by issuing a statement.

    • Marivic says:

      The Queen is not issuing a statement because she’s being controlled by William and Charles who are out to take down the Sussexes for good. These two are targeting Harry and Meghan where it will hurt them most— their innocent newborn child. No statement will come from the Queen to defend Harry. She’s gagged by these evil kings. Hope they lose their kingdoms. Down with UK monarchy.