Buckingham Palace and Clarence House released a lot of data yesterday, trying to account for where Sovereign Grant money goes, and where Charles’ Duchy of Cornwall money goes. Charles largely finances the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge’s office and lifestyle, although it seems like the Queen (and the taxpayers) are picking up significant tabs for them as well. But who can pay attention to any of that when we can talk about the Duke and Duchess of Sussex and how much money they did or did not receive in 2020? See if you can catch how blatantly Clarence House is playing fast and loose:
Prince Charles bankrolled the Duke and Duchess of Sussex by a ‘substantial sum’ in the months following Megxit, despite Harry claiming to Oprah that his family ‘literally cut me off financially’. Royal accounts made public for the first time yesterday show that the future king continued to fund Harry and Meghan until the summer of last year from a £4.4million Clarence House pot used to support his two sons and their families.
This contradicts Harry’s remarks when he told Oprah Winfrey that he stopped getting financial support from his family in the ‘first quarter’ of last year. He even claimed he and his wife were reduced to living off what ‘my mother had left me’.
What is clear from the independently audited accounts is that Harry and Meghan were still listed as receiving money from Charles’s Duchy of Cornwall income, despite quitting the monarchy at the end of March last year.
A senior Clarence House spokesman said: ‘As we’ll all remember, in January 2020 when the duke and duchess announced that they were going to move away from the working Royal Family, the duke said that they would work towards becoming financially independent. The Prince of Wales allocated a substantial sum to support them with this transition. That funding ceased in the summer of last year. The couple are now financially independent. I betray no confidence when I say they’ve been very successful in becoming financially independent.’ And when quizzed on the discrepancy in Harry’s remarks, the spokesman said: ‘I wouldn’t acknowledge that they are dramatically different. All I can tell you are the facts.’
Clarence House’s annual review revealed that Charles’s bill for the activities of both the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and the Duke and Duchess of Sussex – plus other expenditure including the prince’s capital expenditure and transfer to reserves in 2020/2021 – was £4.4million. This was a fall of £1.15million – around 21 per cent – from £5.6million in 2019/2020 – the last year the Sussexes were working royals.
The report provided no detailed breakdown of the figures and royal aides declined to elucidate further.
Charles: Here is the evidence that I bankrolled the Sussexes! PROOF!
Us: Wait, you’re not going to do a breakdown of what money went to Will and Kate versus what money went to the Sussexes?
Charles: Don’t you understand that Harry is a LIAR!
Us: So can we actually get the receipts on this or not?
Charles: You can see clearly that I spent all of this money on my two sons!
Us: Then why did Tyler Perry have to send his security to protect your son, daughter-in-law and grandson? Why did Harry have to use the money from his trust to take care of his family?
Charles: I’m not lying!! PROOF!
Us: *deep sigh*
In truth, I do think that Charles was “financing” the Sussexes… up until March/April 2020. That time was chaotic, with the pandemic and all of the lockdowns and border closings. Harry and Meghan saw their protection being taken away in March, and that was one of the major points from both Harry and Meghan. After that, they had to arrange their own security and that’s why Tyler Perry stepped in, and that is still one of the Sussexes’ biggest expenditures.
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Substanial sum? I think it needs clarification because the numbers would have spoken for themselves without the negatives HM stories in the past few days.
Can we talk about the million dollar in helicopter rides?
Preach!
“Substantial sum” is the financial equivalent of the bullying allegations. Vague but not detailed enough to give us the real picture. As a father, Charles and Thomas are cut from the same cloth. No wonder Harry fled.
Yes, please. Nearly a million dollars for 47, I think, helicopter trips during a year when most of it was on lock. down.
So where was the helicopter going? And who was in it? Because 1 million on chopper rides in a pandemic, in lockdown, where those two hardly worked and were zooming doesn’t make sense at all.
Yes, 47 is nearly one ride per week… makes it seem like a regular commute, perhaps between properties if one is living separately from one’s family, needs to visit the children and/or present a united front and doesn’t want the public to know? Hmm….
Sunday, I think you are on to something! We need more details about how Charlesand William, the eco-warriors, authorized and spent so much money on weekly helicopter rides!
I do think the helicopter costs may include the other royals – Anne and the Wessexes – but I wonder how much they were using the helicopter during a pandemic. Sophie and Edward were pretty locked down at Bagshot for the majority of it, same with Anne at Gatcombe. Maybe when work started more frequently in the first part of this year (2021) they used it more, but even so it seems that the Wessexes were doing most of their work around London to the extent I paid attention. And this report is through 3/31/2021, and the UK was still pretty shut down at that point, right? But maybe I’m misreading the report and that part is only for the Cambridges, PoW and the Queen.
Neither Charles nor the Queen used the helicopter to arrive at the G7 – both used trains – but the Cambridges did.
At any rate the fact that the royals have gone out of their way to make their helicopter usage LESS Transparent says a lot.
The helicopter rides during lockdown are a major deal. They should be explained.
Next year Charles has no one else to hide behind. He is left with the son and DIL he deserves. May they all drive each other into madness.
Prince Earthshot: The Most Prestigious Prize Ever helicopters back and forth between KP and Norfolk all the time. I’ve seen photos on Twitter of the whole family and the dog boarding on the KP lawn. Which, IMO, always felt a little risky for Harry with all the heirs on a helicopter at the same time. There are about six hundred sixty thousand pounds worth of helicopter rides in a year that was primarily lockdown and Charles doesn’t seem to be the one using the helicopter.
Agreed. Plus what if Chuckles “loaned” his son money in the summer. Would we trust him to admit that H&M paid him back? Hmmm.
The Inside Edition story is right on the money. They did not lie. I just do not understand these people. What is cutting off? They received support and then it stopped. It is like splitting hairs.
But yet they never told us what the subtantial sum amounts to. Any thing negative suits their narrative because the couple has proved them all wrong and they are thriving.
This guy is just confirming what Harry said. they were still working royals by March last year, no wonder Charles paid then.
But word salad is word salad and of course most of the money when to The Cambridges. This is all smoke and mirrors, saying harry lied without saying Harry lied.
I think Charles’ people are trying to show that he gave the Sussexes money during the first quarter of the financial year 2020 (and stopped after June 2020); which is basically what Harry said in any case – that he was cut off after that. So they had to secure Netflix and Spotify deals afterwards to finance themselves and their security needs. The deals hadn’t been finalised and wasn’t in consideration when Charles cut them off.
Chuck may have allocated funds for the Sussexes for 2Q20 but allocation doesn’t mean that they funds were actually used or if funds actually released 2Q20 to pay for expenses were paying invoices for costs accrued through March/April (2nd quarter being Apr-Jun)
pottymouth, this is exactly what I was going to say. This is the quote, “The Prince of Wales allocated a substantial sum to support them with this transition” Right! He could have allocated 1 billion dollars, but what did he really spend? It doesn’t sound like we’re going to find out. And, if he had allocated these funds and they were available, why didn’t he (at least) pay for security? He should be careful here, Tyler Perry knows whether he generously gave H&M security during their time in his home.
I PC is really hoping people will believe he did NOT cut off funds and SECURITY. Guess, what? Not working.
Yes but what does “substantial” mean exactly? What sum did they get then? Can that be seen in the figures? Vague information sent out to make H and M look bad again. The comments following this story today on the tabloids are hateful.
Harry reported using the diana Inheritance , that Charles probably released, and is taking credit for. If he paid him still March, he was still a working senior royal.
Harry should have already had full access to to his inheritance and I would be surprised if Charles had control of it at that point.
He did have full access – I think the boys got full access at age 30 or something, before that they got an annual payment from it (maybe that started at 21 or 25?) I remember “the fabulous lives of princes william and harry” on VH1 years and years ago told me the annual draw was about 400k but who knows if that was accurate.
Yes I watched that show and yes I loved it.
Charles never had control of that money. It was former Prime Minister John Major who put in charge of the money from Diana and to ensure that she wasn’t financially exploited in death.
@Amy Bee – I may be wrong but I think Diana’s sister, Lady Sarah McCorquodale, was also one of the trustees overseeing Harry & Williams Trust fund along with John Major.
@Amy Bee – I may be wrong but I think Diana’s sister, Lady Sarah McCorquodale, was also one of the trustees overseeing Harry & Williams trust fund along with John Major.
Lady Sarah is the co-executor of Diana’s will
@Demi – Thanks! I knew Lady Sarah was some how involved.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the money spent on the Sussex was that for the postal service in which they also checked the mail for suspicious or dangerous content. Of course he is not going to say how much he spent on the Sussex, because his carefully built house of lies would come tumbling down hard and fast. Yes, Chuck paying until March/April 2020 seems right, that was around the You could have had a bad bitch tour and soon after the Sussexes went to Tyler’s place.
I have no doubt the Sussexes were receiving funding until the very day they became non-working Royals and would that day not be 01 April 2020? I have no doubts that Charles cut the Sussexes off on 01 April 2020.
The point I am trying to make is that there is not a story here.
I have no doubts either that he stopped paying for them the exact day that they became non-working royals. Charles makes it a point to say that he was still paying in the summer for them, which could literally mean anything. I remember a story that said that CH was no longer dealing with UK correspondence for the Sussexes, that’s why I said that I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the actual expense, and not what Chuck was instead implying (that he was still paying for their lifestyle).
@Lauren – The summer of 2019??? Then yes, Charles paid in the summer.
@Bay no I think Lauren is talking about the summer of 2020, when there were a bunch of vague stories from the UK about Charles supporting the Sussexes and the Sussexes came out a few times and stated that they bought the house without his help, etc.
@Becks1 – I was attempting to be snarky and sarcastic about the word “summer”. Charles stated he paid through the “summer” but he did not say exactly which “summer”.
Charles can be very slippery like an eel when he wants to be then is delusional enough to think that no one can see the truth through all the slime.
@bay LOL! I got it now.
And yes he is very slippery. Even the language here is very vague and is intended to brand Harry a liar but I’m not seeing anything that actually contradicts what Harry said.
I imagine Charles also paid for their return to the U.K. in March 2020 and other items.
As he should have as the Sussexes were Senior Working Royals until 31 March 2020.
yeah, it’s completely disingenuous. that’s how bill payment works. just because he was “paying bills” until “the summer” (which could mean May) doesn’t mean that the services were still being rendered then. he most likely cut harry off and stopped the services, but the bills themselves were paid after that and didn’t show up on a ledger until months later.
Good point.
VERY good point!
Charles is a wicked man. Orchestrating an attack on his youngest son to cover up as to how he and his oldest son and their spouses have spent more public money during a pandemic when majority of the world was at a standstill and these royals were zooming all the time.
At least next year they won’t have the Sussexs to hide behind.
It’ll be interesting to see how they hide their separation to two homes and the heli rides back and forth.
Yeah the Sussexes financing was until the “coulda had a bad bitch” tour, I’m not stupid 😤
I find this confusing. I’ve been going back and forth with someone on twitter (who I trust and respect) about this and they are insisting that this proves that Charles was privately funding the Sussexes through summer 2020, but that seems to be based on headlines etc. Harry said he was cut off in the first quarter, which would be sometime in April-July 2020, and the Duchy filings say that Charles was no longer funding the Sussexes official duties as of 3/31/2020. But I guess we’re supposed to infer that he kept giving them personal money through the spring/summer? But then why did they need Tyler Perry’s private plane and to stay at his mansion for a few months?
Same. I believe they said they went to Tyler Perry’s house because it had security and he had his own security team because H&M’s security got cut off and they needed it in general due to threats but also after their location was revealed. They also needed a place to stay until they could get their own place sorted (which they did).
They also said the house they’ve brought it using their own funds and mortgage and went to the NYTimes to say that Charles hasn’t been funding them since March so yeah, no idea.
But I also don’t see where in the report it says the money went to the Sussexes alone. As I said below, for all we know, it all went to the Cambridges.
Yeah report just mentions a total sum for H&M & W&K but we don’t know split or what this ‘substantial’ sum paid to Sussexes is. It’s a bit weird because last years report said duchy of Cornwall cost for Sussexes ended in March 2020. Now Clarence House is saying funding ended summer 2020 which matches with Harry saying on Oprah he was cut off in the first quarter (April-June) of 2020.
My guess is that Charles provided one off sum for winding down their office& charity including payments to lay off staff, legal & administration fees (eg wasnt Clarence House still handling their mail?).
3rd year in a row the Sussexes have given the royal family cover on expenses- even though their £2.4m for Frogmore helped ensure the royal family didn’t have to dip into their reserves. Somehow spending is up by £3.5m despite less engagements because of covid & being down Harry, Meghan & Andrew as working royals . Even helicopter flights expenses are up. It doesn’t make sense but as long as the press can drag Meghan the public will just shrug. Wonder what stunts the firm will do for next years report. Clearly the firm are wanting to use the ‘bullying’ review results as cover then
“Somehow spending is up by £3.5m despite less engagements because of Covid & being down Harry, Meghan & Andrew as working royals .”
@ABrit Guest – So is this Charles’s idea of a slimmed-down monarchy? LOL! LOL! The aggregate spending on the monarchy will never decrease no matter how many working royals there are until you get down to zero working Royals. When you get down to no working Royals, the funding will simply be transferred to the elected Head of State.
@ ABritGuest does the UK use a different quarterly system? I always thought the first quarter was January/February/March, and the 2nd quarter was April/May/June. At least that’s how it is in the US.
EDIT: just read below their fourth quarter is January/February/March and first quarter is actually April/May/June.
For Sovereign Grant accounting, the fiscal year starts on 01 April and runs through 31 March is what I think is being said.
@LuckyCharm that changes too based on who is doing the accounting. For the federal government the FY starts 10/1. I know a lot of companies who start their FY 6/1. So 4/1 isn’t that weird in itself to me, its just something that was never really clarified in these discussions.
I had to deal with a County Clerk’s Office in the State of West Virginia with regards to property tax and this particular county closes out their books on 31 January of each year.
If he privately funded them, and it wasn’t part of the duchy money, there’s no need for it to be in this report. What i think is that this unknown substantial sum was maybe transferred to harry april 1st and charles said; this is the last you are getting.
The SG footnotes indicated that funding ended for HM in March. Didn’t the payment for refurbishing Frog more prevented BP from using private funding too.
@chica1971on what page? Do you know? Im sorry but im not interested in spitting theough the whole report
The exit plan was for Harry & Meghan to work to become financially independent. They deserved funding through the end of March 2020 as they were still part of the Firm. And, based on that wording that they would “work to become,” I assume that Harry and his lawyers negotiated continued support through some portion of the Royal Fiscal Year 2020-21 (April 2020-March 2021). We do not know what that agreement was, but it did not appear that the plan was to cut them loose at the end of March 2020. From what Harry said on Oprah, it sounds to me as if Charles continued the financial support that had been negotiated through the first quarter of 2020-2021 FY (which would be the months of April, May, and June 2020) and then the money stopped after the June payments. June is summer but also technically still the first quarter of the 2020-2021 FY for the Royals. Harry’s use of the term “cut-off” indicates that Charles stopped previously agreed upon financial support. Since Charles also stopped taking Harry’s calls, it sounds as if Charles reneged on the deal. We don’t know what the payments were for those three months and Charles doesn’t want to say because it’s a better optic to say that over 4 million went to two families. He’s protecting the Cambridges again at Harry’s expense. The Royal Rota Rats are screaming that Harry is lying but they know he isn’t.
That makes sense Harper. Harry was very specific in his use of the term “cut off” which made it sound like a surprise. So it sounds like Charles maybe offered some support in the first quarter and then abruptly pulled all financial support for some reason at some point during the first quarter.
ETA but we also do know that security was pulled as of 3/31, and I know people say that was due to their change in status, but Charles 100% could have and should have paid for private security for them after that. The fact that he wasn’t willing to do that tells me that his “substantial” help wasn’t really that substantial after all.
I read somewhere on a god-awful not-to-be believed for one second website that Charles was EXTREMELY displease the Sussexes left Canada for the USA.
I did not believe it at the time but it sorta falls in to line with all that has happened since 31 March 2020.
It said in the Sovereign Grant report of last year (I think) that Charles was funding them up until March 31st. So this isn’t news at all. I think if Charles was funding them any longer after that, it would have been said by Charles soon after the interview. He went to the Times to shut the “Archie and Lili won’t get titles” story pretty soon.
And there’s no way to check/see how much of that money went to the Sussexes and how much to the Cambridges so for all we know, all of it went to W&K.
Charles paid until March 30, 2020. Then he cut them off. That’s what Harry said. April 1st is the beginning of their first fiscal quarter.
As I said below I think a lot of people were assuming the fiscal year started in January (I know I did) so it seemed that C cut them off then.
right. and summer begins in june.
why is this so difficult for people to understand?
sometimes i worry for us all.
The military and civilian Federal employees (and maybe state ones?) in the US work on a fiscal year that starts 1 October so that could add to the confusion in understanding the timeline.
Unless we see otherwise, I’m gonna assume $4.3 mil went to the Cambridges while the Sussexes got about $50k in pocket change.
Sounds about right.
Signing off on this as well.
If that’s true, then that is so disgusting. Why do two people who had to stay home most of the time anyways because of the pandemic (except for that stupid stupid train show) need 4.3 million? And then they go around pretending to care about publics feelings and the hard labour by NHS staff. GMAFB
Yeah, remember the Royal Foundation gave away 1.9 million pounds in Summer 2020 for COVID Relief. I’m betting that money came from funds that used to be allocated to Harry and Meghan.
I was going to say $20.
Wait so that 4 million was for the cambs?
They need three household remember?
I would be interested in some enterprising individual on Sussex Squad to calculate the cost of all of Kate’s new wardrobe pieces for the year 2021.
Also, if prior reports released by Charles regarding his expenditures were itemized, even if it was in a vague way, that could be used to estimate certain costs.
Explains why Kate has been in expensive clothes every time she was out during the pandemic. Cashflow has improved.
Believe me, if the expenses were substantial like 50/50 he would have given the exact number. Boy o boy, the more I read about Charles is the more I love my dad.
Exactly.
This is what I keep thinking. They’re using phrases like “substantial sum” and “supported through the summer” as if that’s proof that Harry was lying. But if it was anything really substantial we would have heard it. And we know he was not willing to privately fund security for them.
Another Charles is a great dad, but he’s frustrated story. Man…these clowns need to find a narrative that works and stick to it. You can’t trash your son one day, then turn around and say well I supported his exit the next day. It’s either I am taking titles and slimming down the monarchy, or I am taking Harry’s titles and his children’s because I can. It’s either my show and I control it, or it’s a familial war you have let fester within Batten-Windsor.
I wish the BRF could learn from this whole fiasco, but they just keep being clowns at a clown show. Charles should never be King, but at this point I am also thinking Britain should reform its monarchy from top to bottom.
They also showed an additional $3.5M in spending in a year of Zooms and staff cuts post Sussexit. For what, exactly?
Without the Sussexes paying back 2.4 million for Frogmore, that number would’ve been 5.9 million in a pandemic year…..
So I “think” the explanation for that is that they were spending more money on the BP repairs – because no one was there, they were able to get started on some of the bigger interior repairs ahead of schedule, so money went to that that maybe wasn’t planned to go to those repairs until 2022 or something.
And in a normal company, that might make sense. “we started on some long term capital improvements that were slated for a few years down the road but are easier now with no one using the buildings.”
But the BRF isnt a normal company and considering how mismanaged the funds for renovating BP have been , I don’t trust that explanation.
But didn’t they get approval to get some extra money on the sovereign’s grant a year or more ago to do the reno on BP? And that extra money was approved for 3 years or so if I remember correctly. Them spending an extra 3.5 (that without the Sussexes would have been 5.9) and doing just a smidge of the work done on previous years is laughable. But then again if the Keenbridges are living in separate households, with separate staff that does make sense.
@Lauren yes they did get extra money. If you look at the breakdown that’s accounted for. But this is the explanation for why they spent OVER that extra money – presumably they wont need to spend that money again.
So if they spent 5 million over the SG allotment, the talking point is that next year they wont need to do some of those specific repairs that they started during the pandemic so the spending should be 5 million less. Like they bumped some projects up from 2022 to 2020 (I think the big one involved some interior wiring or structural work or something, something interior that is much easier to do without visitors.)
NOW, like I said, that may be the “explanation” and the “presumption” is that next year they will be under b/c they dont need to do those repairs again……but this is the royal family and I think we all know that next year the spending will probably be up and they’ll need more money for BP repairs.
Grifters gonna grift.
“The royal accounts also revealed that the monarchy spent £87.5M(!!!!) of TAXPAYER FUNDS between 2020/2021 at the height of the pandemic period”
47 helicopter trips (hmm, I wonder who) totalled £669,149 ($934,510) and the stupid COVID choo choo tour (love that name, thanks Kaiser) cost £47,965 (wasn’t this reported by media as taxpayer money?).
Oh and also, apparently KP “declined to release its staff diversity figures”. *looks at photo of W&K with staff in Germany* I wonder why?
So basically, if we see any stupid nEwS articles coming out about about Harry and Meghan (like the recent ridiculous article about Archie and the his RIGHTFUL Earl of Dumbarton title) its to divert public attention from all of these figures and to stop them from asking questions as to why RF have been spending so much of taxpayers money? Especially when more than half of the country was dying because of the deadly virus
Considering there were all at home, what exactly did they spend this money on? It was lockdown. Was will in lockdown in a Caribbean island
So, only five more helicopter trips to hit an average of 1 per week. During a year of lockdown.
Or, probably more accurately, 23 trips someplace and back about every two weeks or so, plus one with no return trip. Not necessarily the same person, may or may not be more no-return trips in there, only heaven and the tabloids knows the actual spacing of the trips, but roughly there.
This is hilarious. Charles is going through a lot to hide how much the keenbridges got versus what he gave Harry. If it was a lot, Charles would have named the amount down to the last penny. I think Harry got cut off late June early July going with the fiscal calendar
Harry was cut off a the end of March, their fiscal years starts in June, Charles had stopped taking Harry’s calls when he was in Canada.
All security was taking away at the end of March, so no Harry didn’t not have the firm’s security, it was taken away from the Sussexes.
I know he lost security, Tyler looked after them with that and housing, I wanted to know how much money Charles gave them because substantial is not a number and I am willing to bet my left cheek that it was not a lot of money he gave them
I hope Tyler Perry sends Charles a bill. “Bitch better have my money!”
He better get into Madea mode when he asks too. LMAO
Tyler Perry’s Madea Smackdown on Prince Chuckles. Tyler Perry likes to brand everything with his name but since he’s on our side I’m not going to quibble over it.
My guess is there were some wrap up expenses the Duchy covered so “technically” they provided some funding. Like someone came to pack their offices, clean things out, maybe forwarded some packages and the Duchy paid. I have no doubt that if it were truly substantial after 3-31, we would know the exact amount.
I remember a story from a few months back that Charles was going to stop receiving the Sussexes mail in the U.K., i.e. sorting any of the dangerous packages and death threats they reportedly receive. So I’m sure he’ll be pleased to save a few bucks on that for next year’s budget.
Does it show what happened with the money H&M paid back for the Frogmore cottage reno’s? Where did those $$ go?
Yes, also the advance rent they paid. It was counted as income.
I think part of the problem here is that the royal fiscal year starts in April while a lot of us thought it started in January, I know I did. So yeah, what Harry said was completely correct it’s just we all thought he meant Jan-March but what he meant was April-June.
I do think that’s part of it but also Harry just says that his father cut him off in the first quarter but doesnt specify when – so it could be April 1 (which is what the duchy filings say for official expenditures) or it could be later in the spring.
I realize I’m probably waaayyy out of the loop here, but this is the first I’ve heard about Tyler Perry’s involvement. That was such a kind gesture on his part, and my understanding is that he’s a very generous guy who steps up to help strangers on a regular basis. Was he a friend of Meghan and/or Harry before all this, or did he just hear of their situation (from a friend of a friend or something?) and offered to help?
TBH, Black Hollywood is pretty small. He may have been friendly with Meghan, but it’s just as likely that he felt empathy for their situation and as seems to be his personal MO, wanted to help them out with no strings attached since he has the means to easily do so. Either way, I have even more respect for him as a person now. By all accounts, he’s a pretty great guy.
I think he’s a friend of a friend and heard about their situation – he sent his private plane to Canada to pick them up and then they stayed at his house (with his security team in place) for a few months before moving to Montecito. I think they were there March through June maybe? I can’t remember exactly when they moved bc it didn’t come out right away, it was done under the radar.
There was an interview he did with Gayle King last summer and at the end she asked him about H&M living there and he laughed and just blew off the question (in a nice way) and its funny looking back bc we later learned that by that point, they were in Montecito.
I can’t imagine how much his help and support meant to them.
I think the friendship with Tyler Perry came about through Oprah Winfrey. She’s his son’s godmother, and of course is good friends with H&M so likely brought them together. He is a wonderful human being and a great philanthropist.
Jane of From Berkshire to Buckingham (a truly unhinged sociopath if there ever was one) is gleefully IG storying about this, saying it proves that H & M lied. It frustrates me because she’s a lawyer and writes with authority, so her followers and even media outlets take her word as gospel.
How could anyone believe anything definitively without seeing the numbers? If there was record of a truly substantial sum being giving to H & M, CH would have shown receipts. They didn’t. I hope H & M issue documents showing CH is lying.
I don’t think H & M are saints or perfect in any way, but who is more likely to be lying? Representatives of an institution that has done literally anything and everything, up to and including killing people, to survive for centuries? Or people who are financially independent and don’t *need* that institution (but clearly want to expose its skeletons, which I’m here for).
Clarence House’s spokesperson basically said Harry’s comments about timeline for when financial support ended was correct.
But if we remember BP announced after the Sandringham summit said that there was meant to be a transitional year for them to get financial independence, to resolve issues around security & Charles would provide support. According to rota reporters Clarence House was briefing that Charles was helping them & there were even reports that he had helped them buy their house which H&M pushed back on in NYT.
But turns out the firm/Charles reneged on what was apparently agreed in relation to a transitional year. Pulling funding& not helping with security costs was a move to scare Harry into returning. So that year review was pointless & as some suspected (& as some royal experts have said) the patronages etc were left open for that year review in case Harry returned alone.
And @BTB good point- certainly havent made argument that less working members of the firm automatically results in savings for the public purse have they
A woman who claims to be a lawyer and yet spends her time making bingo cards as if Meghan talking about being racially abused by the press is a joke.
Lots of lawyers are racists so this kind of fits to be frank. And if she’s based in the UK then she’s likely a conservative and buys into the whole white royalist nonsense.
But really Harry never provided an exact date as to when he was cut off so he didn’t lie. The fact remains that there is no more money going to the Sussexes now and the bigots should focus on the ones who still get millions of taxpayer money for doing nothing. It is a disgrace that they spent more during a pandemic year when travel was forbidden for many months. That’s the real scandal.
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It does not matter, if he is a friend of a friend, he was just being his helpful self.
No one knew that Harry was friends with David Foster.
There needs to be a breakdown of the money given to Harry and Meghan and what it was spent on. My guess it was for their office in the UK and CH was still sending out greeting cards on their behalf in 2020. As I remember, the agreement was Charles was to fund Harry and Meghan in the transitional year and from his private funds so for him to mention Harry and Meghan in the Duchy report was dishonest. If Charles cut the funds in the first quarter of 2020 (which for Royal accounts and the UK Government is April to June, it means Harry was telling the truth and Charles reneged on the agreement he had with Harry. He cut the funds earlier than he was supposed to ensure that Harry and Meghan failed.
Realistically, the entire monarchy needs The Audit To End All Audits, because that place is only slightly more financially transparent than the freaking Pentagon. And the Pentagon managed to ‘misplace’ 10 TRILLION USD in accounting ‘errors’! After more than 20 years of refusing to do the audit in the first place!
But The Audit of Doom will never happen, because the government feels it would embarrass the Queen. So this is what we get.
N/M; replied to a deleted comment.
I’m sure Charles did cover some of the expenses relating to the 2020 Commonwealth events. That doesn’t mean he provided for their security outside of the UK – which was Harry’s primary concern.
That was fast.
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@taris, I don’t know that it’s difficult for people to understand once they know the UK tax year is different than a lot of other countries. In the US, the first quarter is considered to be Jan 1st. to March 31st. 2nd quarter would be April 1st to June 30th. Rebecca English probably knows this and is intentionally giving a different illusion. Harry didn’t lie. It would only appear that way to countries that operate in a tax year that’s different than the UK. Sleight of hand story.
https://theconversation.com/why-the-uk-tax-year-begins-on-april-6-its-a-very-strange-tale-57247
If they’re not separating what Harry received from what the Cambridge’s received, that’s even more trickery being used. This story is from 2015, the full report link didn’t work.
https://www.vogue.com.au/celebrity/news/this-is-the-royal-allowance-given-to-the-duke-and-duchess-of-cambridge-and-prince-harry/news-story/1b078d24aa3760b1834f75a84c55a185
I don’t believe Chuckles unless he shows me the cash checks with Harry’s endorsement on the back. My MIL is around Charles’ age and last night she had my husband doing tech support trying to change the address on her credit card. She couldn’t figure out why she couldn’t do it on the airline’s website because it’s an air miles card. She pays all of her bills with checks so I’m sure Chuck still uses checks.
Harry can easily clarify by releasing how much he received and when exactly he last received funds.
Support for your children is a bit of from each according to his ability type of assistance. I don’t have Charles’ level money but I help my kids, for example my adult children are still on my medical insurance, the phone plan and car insurance. One of neighbors parents pays for her children’s college tuition. Based on where you are economically you expect/accept certain things, so Harry expecting his father with his millions to help him is no different than my kids expecting me with me hundreds to help them.
But it doesn’t appear that Harry *is* expecting Charles to help him. Why would he pay the Frogmore money if he was just getting money from Charles? That’s just your dad giving you money to pay back your Grandma (for a gift she gave you but whatever). If that were the case, the Royals would have leaked that when he paid for Frogmore because it would be an easy way to make him look bad.
The abundance of misinformation is staggering.. https://twitter.com/scobie/status/1408072084530425866?s=21
the Oprah timeline stated by Prince Harry seems to hold up to the fiscal cycles in England.
Also the BRF budget had the £2.4M added to the £3.5M increase so the amount spent was actually £5.9M over the previous year spending.
(Supposedly the Duchy final pay out to the Sussex’s was £1.1M so if £4.4M was spent on the Princes and family then £3.3M went to the Cambridge household)
This seems to be a system that the UK has no issue with and feel great pride in their spending as long as the Sussex’s are dragged, publicly harassed and punished for having the nerve to leave.
When next year rolls around and expenses continue to rise who will they blame then?
I hope the Cambridge’s get separate helicopters along with their new fully renovated home in Buckleberry after all it is the FFK and heirs and the public should expect their Royals to have the best and celebrate the honor of paying for it.. (reminder the yacht will need to be big enough for an adequate helicopter pad, the FFK and heirs can’t be seen in a dingy) SMH 🤦🏼♀️
This was one of the failures of the interview and I understand why because there was so much information coming out, it was easy to not fully explain things. Truthfully, it might be in the editing of the interview and where we ended up seeing the most shocking things for a more compelling interview on CBS/Oprah’s end the details were needed for HnM and were likely left on the cutting room floor. There should have been an explanation of the timeline because not all country’s have the same fiscal year and most people watching were Americans. Also, the title thing should have been more fully explained because that has been misunderstood and also the discussion about privacy should have been part of the main interview. The interview showed what a horrific situation they were escaping, but because their words would be gone over with a fine tooth comb by the BM to deliberately misinterpret everything they say, further details would have been helpful for the more gullible among us.
No matter how clear the explanation was done by Harry and Meghan during the interview about these finances, the British media would always deliberately skew it to favor their bias against the Sussexes. The problem I think is the absence of mainstream British media (and US media) doing an in-depth reporting and a willingness to cover and publish the report fairly. All the British media now are representatives of Buckingham Palace’s propaganda machine. All of them are after the Sussexes heads. They are out to destroy the Sussexes global reputation. They know about the Sussexes strong global appeal and popularity and they will not stop until they crush them and burn the House of Sussex down. The Royal Family will surely regret this. Their karma is the Commonwealth’s renunciation and rejection of the monarchy and its ultimate end. Hello Republic.
I am just disappointed that most common wealth country’s are so respectful of the queen and stay silent in order to not offend her poor whittle sensibilities. I think this is also partly true of other countries like America, no one wants to upset Betty and even Harry and Meghan are holding back, I suspect on account of her.
You’re right of course that they would twist things no matter what HnM say, which is just so sad. The royals of Britain have an entire country’s media reporting from their skewed point of view and most of the rest of the world are cowed because they don’t want to upset Betty. It would be an absolute riot if it wasn’t so heartbreaking to see a little family being the punching bag of an entire nation’s media and too many of their citizens, not to mention the worst of online trolls. I feel for them and can just imagine how helpless they must feel in this situation.
Well, my mom once slipped me a twenty to help out with my groceries while I was in Uni, but she wouldn’t then claim that she financed my entire education!
Giving “substantial” support to the Sussexes would have meant ensuring their safety at a time when they were most vulnerable. To pull an experienced, in place security team and leave your own son exposed in another country, in a pandemic, tells you everything, doesn’t it?
Even if we give Charles the (undeserved) benefit of the doubt and he was providing some funds privately, it clearly wasn’t enough to keep them safe. Otherwise, the Sussexes wouldn’t have needed to rely on Tyler Perry, David Foster, etc for assistance.
Speaking personally, my parents would have remortgaged their house and sold vital organs if it meant making sure their grandchild was safe from harm.
Charles is notoriously cheap with his own money. Seems like the richer a person is, the more Ebeneezer Scrooge they become. This is all a financial shell game that hides exactly what monies went to the Cambridges and Sussexes under one shell. What did come as a surprise was the sudden removal of security for the Sussexes…by his FATHER. His very rich father. Who has refused his son’s efforts to contact him. It is utterly unforgivable and small wonder Harry and Meghan have decided it’s not worth the effort to extend an olive branch to either Charles or William.
Agree, Jaded – as others have pointed out above, if the numbers made the Sussexes look bad, I have no doubt we’d be looking at an itemized list of Meghan’s “Hollywood” overspending on house rentals, wardrobe etc.
The fact that it’s not detailed, and in fact lumped in with the other households, speaks volumes. I wonder if Charles knows how petty this looks, or if he believes this absolves him absolutely. He probably can’t wait to explain to us how leaving Harry out to dry is one way he’s “streamlining the monarchy”.
This is a terrible thing to say, but Pedo Andy is a better father than Charles. He makes sure Beatrice and Eugenie are taken care of, even when he’s had to fight for it.
Otherwise, he’s a shit person, but then again, so is Charles.
It pains to to also admit it but he is a better father. And he’s never been nasty to the mother of his children unlike Charles.
Sarah and Andrew have had a complicated and VERY publicly tumultuous relationship, but that seems to be mostly because they’re both thirsty, grifting hos in a hostile environment where they are not equally valuable or equally protected.
They do actually seem to have cared for/still care for each other quite a bit and the issues in their relationship seem to be primarily external, whereas Charles and Diana’s issues are…all…the issues? Everywhere, and always. See that on the wall? Issue. What’s underneath this throw pillow? Issue. Look, out the window! More issues! Lock the doors, lock the bidets! They’re crawling in from the drains!
So what are they going to do next year? Is this why they are pushing out these bullying reports and the Fail now appealing Meghan’s lawsuit? Also Harry said he was funded through Q1 fiscal year, April-June 2020, hence the summer. They haven’t gotten anything since then but everyone is losing it over there again. Typical. Next year they’ll look for something else to get riled up about. And so it continues.
This family. It seems like their entire takeaway from the Oprah interview was: How dare they reveal our racism! And how DARE they discuss money! It’s just not done, y’know? Discussions of money are so gauche and embarrassing, at least for those who have always controlled it.
I guess they are counting on M and H to be to too embarrassed to refute or push back on this with (actual) receipts, or maybe it’s sort of a fishing expedition, to see exactly how extensive Meghan’s record keeping goes back. I very much hope that, like most of the royal family’s other gambits when it comes to Harry and Meghan, they will end up being outplayed. Again.
He did not. The protection for the Sussexes were paid by the Canadian government while they were in Canada until BP pulled the plug on the agreement between the Canadian and UK governments.
After the ‘summit’ he kept saying that he would pay while Harry publicly refused. He saw the offer for what it is. It may have been allocated, but was not paid out.
Once again cowardly behaviour to alleviate the shame of mistreating his son.
These people need to understand that projection as a coping mechanism feeds into the delusion and causes more pain and misery.
I know this is going to be a very unpopular take, but if we want to know the exact breakdown between Cambridges/Sussexes – more specifically whether or not the Sussexes received anything “substantial” – then I think H&M have an opportunity to clarify it on their end. Lord knows they do not tolerate being misrepresented, and have made it very clear that they won’t stand for dishonest coverage, so they do have a choice here. I think H&M stub their toes a lot with what they intend to convey vs. how it’s received and interpreted in the press, and the whole “cut off” thing might be the perfect example. I think this is a fight they will sit out.
I hope people remember that Harry and Meghan stayed in Tyler Perry’s house for over 3 months-they moved in July of last year-I believe the cut off for the Sussex services was April 1 2020-Whatever Charles gave them upon leaving was enough for them catch their breath during a pandemic-I think this was a percentage of what was due the Sussex family-Remember they paid back frogmore cottage and the royal family is satisfied with what they paid-their lease is up in March 2022-Mr. Scobie has explained that what Harry said to Oprah is in line with what the expenditures show.
In all these, only the Sussexes told the truth. Everyone else just noisily told a lie.