Thomas Markle will ‘petition the California courts’ to see his grandchildren

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A few days ago, Fox News ran a story about Thomas Markle and how a “family source” said Toxic Tom is “tired of being blackballed” and “He loves Meghan. He didn’t try to capitalize off of her.” Seriously. I guess the family insider was Samantha Markle or one of the other trashy relatives, but it served as a precursor to this bullsh-t. Toxic Tom gave an interview to Fox News and he’s “threatening” to sue the Duke and Duchess of Sussex to see his grandchildren. How f–king stupid.

Thomas Markle is threatening to take his estranged daughter Meghan and Prince Harry to court in order to see his grandchildren. The 77-year-old former lighting director has yet to meet the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s two children, Archie and Lilibet Mountbatten-Windsor, or his son-in-law. But speaking to Fox News, Mr Markle said he was ready to take the matter to court ‘in the very near future’.

Speaking at his Rosarito, Mexico home, 70 miles from the Sussexes’ LA mansion, he said: ‘We shouldn’t be punishing [Lili] for Meghan and Harry’s bad behavior. Archie and Lili are small children. They’re not politics. They’re not pawns. They’re not part of the game. And they’re also royal and entitled to the same rights as any other royal.… I will be petitioning the California courts for the rights to see my grandchildren in the very near future,’ he added.

In the interview, Mr Markle also slammed Prince Harry’s announcement of the upcoming release of his memoirs in 2022. Mr Markle suggested that ‘after three sessions with the psychiatrists and Oprah Winfrey’, the Prince would not ‘have too much more to tell’.

[From The Daily Mail]

The Mail also brought up Thomas’s recent 60 Minutes Australia piece and quoted extensively from that too, including Toxic Tom’s seething about how Oprah is “playing” Harry and Meghan. He gave that interview the week Meghan gave birth to Lilibet Diana. Because he’s disgusting and he’s actively trying to harm and abuse Meghan and the children. Media outlets need to stop giving him the platform to do so – it’s been years now, no one is buying his bullsh-t and it’s not in the public interest to hear his belligerent abuse and toxic threats. If he tries to take any kind of legal action against Meghan and Harry, their lawyers will squish him like the cockroach he is. So why is anyone platforming Toxic Tom again? Is this Jason Knauf’s f–k you farewell or something?

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Screencaps courtesy of ‘60 Minutes Australia’, photo courtesy of Avalon Red.

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  1. Zut Alors says:

    Insane in the membrane

    • Lou says:

      He’s a sociopath. At least the people on this site get it. It makes me want to barf going on some of the nastier sites and seeing all the comments berate Megan for not seeing him.

    • Soupie says:

      Inacccuracy in the article (there are probably others):
      70 miles my A–. Rosarito Beach is 244 miles from Montecito, California. It is a 4 hour drive WITHOUT traffic. We all know it takes at least 3 hours to get from San Diego to L.A. these days. Add the time from Rosarito to San Diego, and L.A. to Montecito, and you have another 2 hours at least. That’s not even counting the time it takes to get across the border from Mexico to the U.S.

      If one of my children did not want to see me or for me to see their child(ren) why would I want to see them? Move on.

      • nutella toast says:

        Yeah – I lived in LA, visited Rosarito Beach several times, and also visited Santa Barbara frequently and I just went, “HUH?” with the 70 miles thing. C’mon people – saying they live in LA is like saying that people who live in Richmond VA live in Washington D.C. – same distance. Or that Washington D.C. people live in Hershey PA or just slightly less than saying LA people live in Mexico. Also, while he can petition a court to see his grandchildren in California, there has to be a strong “best interest of the child” factor and I don’t think any sane judge is going to think he isn’t going to take pics and immediately go sell them. So…no.

      • RobinEm says:

        Actually Rosarita beach is slightly more than 400 miles from their home in Montecito. Not that it makes any difference. He could live 4 miles away and still would not get visitation.

      • clomo says:

        I was wondering why that was printed.

      • Soupie says:

        @ robinem
        No. It is not 400 miles. Maps is your friend.

      • Soupie says:

        PS to robinem: I think you meant 400 kilometers, not miles. Because that checks out.

      • Marjorie K. Margel says:

        I’m pretty sure there either is a restraining order already standing or one is now in the works in the Courts.
        Everyone here posting is correct, Grandparents have No Rights ahead of parents in California.
        This is harassment.

    • Still_Sarah says:

      The best you can say about Thomas Markle Sr. is that he is very whiny. The worst you can say …. well, it’s a lot worse. And from what I’ve read about the law on this issue (grandparents’ rights), he has no case. So this is just a way to get press attention.

      • MerlinsMom1018 says:

        I don’t know about California laws, but here in Texas it USED to be calm near impossible for grandparents to see their grandkids if whichever parent had custody decided not to let them. (I say USED to, maybe itrchanged? All my grands are teens)
        Markle DID get one thing right…they ARE royal and deserve the same rignts .
        If he also feels their not “pawns” then stop trying to use them as such

      • Lawcatb says:

        I doubt this anyway. It’s just his latest ploy for attention. If he’s serious, he has no chance of prevailing. From the CA Courts website(

        In general, grandparents cannot file for visitation rights while the grandchild’s parents are married. But there are exceptions, like:
        -The parents are living separately;
        -A parent’s whereabouts are unknown (and have been for at least a month);
        -One of the parents joins the grandparent’s petition for visitation;
        -The child does not live with either of his or her parents; or
        -The grandchild has been adopted by a stepparent.

      • kelleybelle says:

        That’s exactly what it is. He KNOWS he’s dead to her. The press is only trying to intimidate her. She hasn’t spoken to him since just after her wedding. He has zero case and zero rights. There is no pre-existing relationship with her children, and you need that, and the repulsive POS is too cheap to hire a lawyer or get off his obese arse to do anything. It’s a non-story that the press is paying him for, again. Meghan will ignore him. Nothing to see here, move along.

      • Soupie says:

        Also, Thomas Markle lives in Mexico. He is probably still a US citizen but how does that work? He’d have to be keeping a legal address in the State of California to be able to file. And I’m not talking a P.O. Box. Wouldn’t he have to prove that he’s staying 8 months a year in California and 4 months in Mexico? Nomads and snowbirds technically have to spend at least eight months (maybe 7?) in their main domicile in order to claim it as such. Anyway, he’s not going to file. He sorely wants to though.

      • fluffy_bunny says:

        @Soupie- You file where the children are residents. It doesn’t matter where the grandparents live. Just like if parents have custody issues it’s taken care of in the state were the children live.

      • HeyJude says:

        He has no case, as court rooms would allow discovery evidence into his background which rumors from Hollywood old timers say is extremely spotty. I’ve heard things about gambling. That seems to jive with the fact that despite holding a great union job for decades and being set-up with the nice union pension he has so little money he had to move to Mexico to afford to live and take tabloid dollars.

        Courts would also probably require him to submit to drug testing to even be considered, again, there’s rumors he might not be able to pass those.

        There’s of course a ton of domestic violence & drug concerns regarding Tom’s side of the family too. His son continues to be arrested for violent crimes, often while intoxicated, against significant others with handguns involved, his grandson has also been arrested for violence (again while intoxicated), and another grandson runs a designer drug operation.

      • BooyahB!tches says:

        @Soupie: you nailed it, he lives in Mexico for cryin’ out loud! This is NOTHING to do with reality, he has been paid to squawk like this by a media outlet. Nothing else. He’ll see as much of those kids as we do!!

    • josephine says:

      I wonder if a tabloid is giving him the money to do this, because he’s broke, right? He’s not going to win, but I suspect he’s after something else, like another story to sell.

      • Jaded says:

        I think you’re absolutely right josephine. He’s proved again and again that he’ll sink to any low to get attention and therefore money. He’s feeding right into the tabloid jaws and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Sammy was in on this too.

      • BooyahB!tches says:

        “Not going to win”?? He’s not even going to get off the starting blocks! As Soupie wrote above, it’s a non-starter: he lives in Mexico and would have to live 8 mths in the US to be able to even BEGIN a claim; and there has to be a pre-existing r/ship with the children. Besides, a media outlet paid him to say this just to stir the sh*t. “Daddy” hasn’t learned his lessons.

  2. Jessica says:

    He doesn’t have a leg to stand on. If he persists in this direction, they should get a restraining order. Is he this interested in his other grandchildren or just the royal ones? Shameless grifter. All you had to do was walk your daughter down the aisle and keep your mouth shut and behave with dignity like your ex-wife, and you’d still be a father and grandfather in good standing. Your own fault that you’re not!

    • Britt says:

      He’s not doing a damn thing. He doesn’t have a leg to stand on. He’s been threatening his daughter for years now. He just threatened her months ago about testifying against her in court about that letter and the judge straight up told him he wasn’t needed. He threatened about giving an interview every thirty days and no one cares. Every celeb in America including president Obama has relatives like this. This is actually the norm and they never last because no one cares.

    • Scorpion says:

      I’m sure he knows this. Faux News went all that way to Mexico to rile him because at the mo, there are no news or photos of Meghan, Lili and Archie. All leaks have dried up, so they go back to the mentally unstable sperm donor for a cup of his vitriol to keep their readership happy.

      • Britt says:

        Which isn’t working anyway. No one barely watched his or piers interview in Australia 60 minutes. He says the same thing over and over again. It’s boring at this point. Everyone can see who doesn’t have derangement syndrome towards Meghan that the man is toxic and stupid.

    • manda says:

      I laughed out loud when I saw this. Grandparents don’t have visitation. How will this nutjob show that it is in the best interests of the children to see him when their parents (who haven’t been found unfit) don’t think that. I wonder who is bankrolling it? These sorts of cases cost mad money

      • Izzy says:

        Grandparents CAN get visitation rights, but the bar is VERY high in order for the courts to grant it. Tommy Trashboy meets none of the necessary criteria for consideration.

      • terra says:

        Izzy is right, in that grandparents can be legally granted visitation rights, but it’s my understanding that they have to have a rather established relationship with the children in question first in order for a suit to have much merit.

      • Yvette says:

        But Thomas doesn’t see his ‘other’ grandchildren, so what makes Archie and Lili different? And that should be the Sussex defense.

      • CooCooCatchoo says:

        I have a friend with mean, vindictive in-laws who won a court order for visitation. They never wanted anything to do with their grandson until he was about 10. Then they up and decided that they wanted to get to know him, and he was forced to spend one weekend a month at their house. He hated going and cried every time. It was obvious that they were doing it for themselves, with zero regard for the feelings and wishes of the kid.

      • (TheOG) Jan90067 says:

        In CA, grandparents must have a PRE-EXISTING RELATIONSHIP with the child.

        As per the website:

        Under California law, a grandparent can ask the court for reasonable visitation with a grandchild. To give a grandparent reasonable visitation with a grandchild, the court has to:

        Find that there was a pre-existing relationship between grandparent and grandchild that has “engendered a bond.” This means that there is such a bond between grandparent and grandchild that visitation is in best interest of the grandchild.


        Balance the best interest of the child in having visitation with a grandparent with the rights of the parents to make decisions about their child.

        Toxic Tom can go spit in the ocean off a cliff. He is not getting near those kids. HE KNOWS IT, but this is just another way to make grift off H&M for a paid interview.

    • Eurydice says:

      No only a leg to stand on, he doesn’t have two pennies to rub together.

      • HeatherC says:

        He does now. You don’t think he gave that interview for free do you? He’ll be broke again in a few days

      • Sophie says:

        This! He doesn’t have the money to do this. I commented below about this, but I went through this with my estranged parents in California. We warned them they would lose both the court battle and all their money, and they didn’t listen. And guess what happened? Just guess.

        He has no established relationship with the children, and the parents are married and alive. There’s no leg to stand on.

  3. Hyperbolme says:

    He has no interest in any of them except insofar as they feed his narcissistic rage for daring to deny his rightful place as their patriarch. I hope he rots.

    • LillyfromLillooet says:

      Sounds good to me!

    • Seaflower says:

      you forgot the words “in hell” ;)

    • Vavavoom says:

      I agree with that, but I personally think he only sees dollar signs $$$ when he sees Meghan, Harry or the kids. Sure, he wanted to meet the Queen and be in the palaces, and be a BIG part of it all, but he wants MONEY first and foremost. He thinks he is the one who deserves a mansion in Montecito because he MADE her and RAISED her. *eye roll*

  4. Charfromdarock says:

    Crazy insane, got no brain

  5. Vivica says:

    What a piece of trash person he is. H&M if you want to come hideout on the East Coast for a while, let me know. I got you. I even have a BFF that is a full on ginger family, we can hide you within their lot.

  6. Scorpion says:

    😂😂😂😂 He is like herpes, the gift that keeps on giving.

  7. Britt says:

    He’s not going to get the same easy ride in America like he did in Britain and Australia. A lot of media here have not touched him because we’ve all seen this song and dance. He’s going to get embarrassed and called out even more. I know he’s upset Piers is gone and frankly has no influence. That was his biggest cheerleader. The Markles, BM and Courtiers need to move on for real. This is getting predictable at this point and Harry and Meghan are going to continue living their lives. This man is only doing this because they want to use him for intel on the Sussexes and he’ll blab and sell pictures to the tabs. All I see is desperation from the RF, BM and Markles.

    • TigerMcQueen says:

      Yup, it’s all about trying to make a buck for him.

      If he wants media attention in the US and pap money here, he’s going to need to start talking about who in the RF has been bankrolling him and which courtiers he’s been working with. Just saying.

  8. lanne says:

    He is a buffoon and a clown, and he is still getting his chain jerked by the media and the royal family. I want meghans lawyers to have him investigated if he keeps up with this. A paper trail will lead right back to the media and to the RF. He cannot go anywhere near those children. He is a security risk to them. If fact, I think this is the British media and the royals last gasp effort to get pictures and video of the children. You know if he were to mee5 them, he would have a camera on him.

    The betrayal of Meghan by her own father is the biggest tragedy of this entire mess to me. He wasn’t a good father by any means, but she has completely lost him because of the evil of the royal family and their media flunkies. Objectively, marrying into the royal family is the worst thing that ever happened to her. Yes, she got a wonderful husband and 2 gorgeous children, and yes, it could be worth it. But why did she have to pay such a horrible price?

    • fluffy_bunny says:

      Cutting out a toxic parent isn’t a horrible price. What she’s gone through with the BRF and the BM is but They got out of there as soon as they could and now they’re safe and thriving.

      • Britt says:

        Meghan is doing the right thing ignoring the Markles, Piers and trolls. They want her attention and they want to know they’re getting to her. They need acknowledgment so bad from her. The more she keeps walking and thrives, the angrier they get. She and Harry need to continue what they’re doing because the less response they give these people the better.

      • Merricat says:

        @Britt, agreed.

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      TBH I think this would have happened anyway if she went on to marry again and have children (regardless of who it was). It would not surprise me if she financially supported him when she got the part in Suits as a way to keep him in line – am sure he was itching to put himself out there on the back of her success, it’s the kind of thing narc parents do. It’s always been telling to me that this behaviour pretty much started when she stopped supporting him financially (which from what I recall was around the time they got engaged). The fact that she kept Harry away from him was also telling.

    • Eurydice says:

      It’s sad. Never mind an actual visit – Meghan can’t even send him a photo of the children because he would sell it to the paps.

    • BnlurNforever says:

      I always wonder if she regrets it all. I wonder if she could go back knowing what she now knows, if she would decline that first meet up with Harry. I look at them and root for them and hope they will be happy together forever. Then I think about her life before and her life since it was revealed she was dating Harry and I can’t ignore that it looked like a happier life before. I have to remind myself that I am on the outside looking in and maybe having a loving husband and two healthy children is worth all she’s been through. I have to remind myself that I am speaking from my perspective, not hers. Still, I wonder if she regrets ever meeting him and yearn for the life she had before.

      Thomas Markle is a truly repulsive sentient, I wish a pox on him, whatever that means. What this man has done to his daughter is made worse by how public it’s been. I can’t help remembering how well she spoke of him before and what he actually has shown himself to be.

      • fluffy_bunny says:

        I think you wished for him to be covered in oozing sores.

      • Eurydice says:

        Maybe, but I think Meghan is a woman of larger ambitions. Not in a social-climbing way, but she seems to me to be someone who has the desire, drive and energy to make large changes in the world. She was fortunate to find a love and life partner who has similar goals, and he was fortunate to find a partner who could give him the strength and vision of a fulfilled and happy future so he could break away from a toxic system. They would have been a power couple for the BRF, but will be an even more powerful couple now.

      • VS says:

        I have asked myself the same questions!!! would she still agree to meet H? honestly looking from the outside, I am not her but if I were, I would say NO.
        No man is worth the racism, classism or all isms she has had to face since meeting him! he can’t be that “good”. She would have still had kids with another man, still lead a life of purpose by helping others but she would NOT have had to even think of all the crazies she now has to think about, the jealousy, the envy, the mediocrity, the incompetence, the backstabbing, etc…
        I 10000% wish Meghan well and I promise myself to always ensure I’ll do my best to help her by buying, investing, watching and encouraging others to do the same for everything she does

      • Jennifer says:

        Yeah, I’ve wondered same.

  9. Mcmmom says:

    Yeah, good luck with that.

    • Agreatreckoning says:

      Right. It would be entertaining to see him fumble through the questionnaire and his explanation for how it’s in the best interest of the granchildren to see him. A$$clown would probably write something like this isn’t about them it’s about my rights. He wouldn’t make it through the first question though.

  10. fluffy_bunny says:

    Won’t work. For grandparent’s rights to come into play the parents need to be divorced or deceased and you need to prove a meaningful preexisting relationship with the children prior to the parents going no contact. None of that applies here.

    • SarahCS says:

      Reality doesn’t get him interviews/headlines/ca$h.

    • Bettyrose says:

      Fluffy Bunny – that’s what I thought. The grandparents would have to be the child’s main connection to that side of their family to have legal rights. Obviously this isn’t really happening but it’s so creepy that he can just go on tv and make these claims.

  11. Alexandria says:

    You’re worse than trash Thomas Markle.

  12. Amy Bee says:

    Seems like KP gave him a call. He has no standing so his petition (if he does submit one) will be denied.

  13. Miranda says:

    If you need to petition a court to compel your daughter to let you see your grandkids…she probably has a damn good reason why she won’t let you see your grandkids.

    • bettyrose says:

      I know. WTAF? I’m pretty sure Grandparent’s visitation rights exist to protect the child in cases where one parent has full legal custody and is denying access to the other parent’s family. Kinda hard to make a case when the children already do have a close relationship with a grandparent on Meghan’s side. I know this won’t go anywhere, but it would almost be funny to read the court ruling just because it’s so absurd.

      • fluffy_bunny says:

        It usually doesn’t come into play with still married parents.

      • bettyrose says:

        Fluffy_bunny – I see that, but I’m guessing that means co-parenting parents, as well as married. It makes zero sense for divorce to be the deciding factor if the parents have split custody and are making decisions together. If two parents together decide a grandparent is toxic, that should be that.

      • fluffy_bunny says:

        If divorced parents who are coparenting nicely but decide together to cut out a grandparent the grandparent can petition because they are divorced. But they need to have had a meaningful relationship prior with the kids and prove it would be in the kids best interests to continue the relationship.

      • Bettyrose says:

        Fluffy_bunny – sounds pretty outdated. If 50% of marriages end in divorce, then 1/2 of all children born within heterosexual wedlock are raised by divorced parents. That doesn’t even begin to address children born outside of wedlock (which until about 5 years ago was also all children born or adopted into
        gay families). Point being that more children than not are raised outside the context of two opposite sex genetic parents in wedlock. That any legal precedent still stands privileging opposite sex marriages is … absurd. Can you imagine if biological grandparents who refuse to acknowledge the non-biological parent (of same or opposite sex) sued for visitation rights? One hopes the courts would not even entertain that.

  14. The Duchess says:

    He hasn’t got a leg to stand on. Go away sperm donor!

  15. Nev says:

    If this trick doesn’t go away…,

  16. Snuffles says:

    He doesn’t have a legal leg to stand on. He can’t even get past the initial paperwork step because he doesn’t meet any of the criteria

    This is The Firm or the RRs dragging his lard ass out again to punish Harry and Meghan and a desperate attempt to get pictures of those children. Once again, they haven’t done their research on the laws of the US and California.

    • Britt says:

      Harry and Meghan are so smart. Moving to California has been a life saver for them. Every time I see some sort of outrage from the press, Markles etc there is a sense of desperation and frustration. Sometimes it feels like begging. I even get the sense of them being tired of the same song and dance threatening and bullying especially if it’s not getting them the results they want. Maybe it’s time for them to move on.

      • (TheOG) Jan90067 says:

        The very definition of insanity: Doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results!

    • Eurydice says:

      @(TheOG) – it’s only insanity if Markle actually wants to get back together with Meghan and see his grandchildren. But, if it’s about picking up a check every so often from the tabloids, then he’s crazy like a fox. A slimy, penny-ante fox.

  17. JT says:

    I don’t know much about the legal avenues they could use, but can they sue him for harassment or something? This is ridiculous. It’s been years since he started this absurd campaign.

    • BnlurNforever says:

      I am sure they could, but that would play into the BM hands and HnM knows this. Ignoring Thomas Markle, like Meghan ignored Samantha Grant, Thomas Markle’s other daughter is the best way to go. It doesn’t matter what he says or does at this point, he’s dead to her and she has the means to ensure he doesn’t get close to her, Harry or their children.

  18. Savu says:

    This will be my abusive biological mother when I’m a mother myself. I just got married a few months ago, and she was absolutely not invited. The staff were given her photo so she couldn’t just show up. And you can bet your ass I won’t let her anywhere near my children. The entitlement of toxic people is astounding, until you’re used to it.

    (For the record, I’ve told her many times that my door is still open to reconciliation. I would need her to take some responsibility for her actions, and signs she’s trying to change. But apparently that is too much to ask.)

    • fluffy_bunny says:

      You are fine as long as you don’t live in NY. They have some wacky rulings. Anywhere else she would need to prove a meaningful relationship with the child to be granted visitation. Sounds like she’ll have no relationship.

      • HeatherC says:

        I’m in NY and went through a grandparent visitation case with my exhusband’s mother (who hadn’t seen my son since he was four because she stopped calling, he was 14 when she petitioned). I did have to go to court, it did cost me money I would rather have spent on other things. But in the end she was laughed out of court. I don’t know how it works with two parents that are still married to each other, but the ex didn’t have visitation either because he refused to complete a psych eval, among other reasons. So NY isn’t a complete yay grandparents harass the parents state yet.

    • Beana says:

      Hugs to you, Savu. It takes guts for a child to go low/no contact but I think it can be a real gift to our own children. My mom is similarly cut off from my child – she secretly relapsed into alcoholism during a period when she was babysitting at least once a week and we now believe she was unfit to care for him at times. All SHE has to do is abstain from alcohol and participate in some kind of structured recovery program. It has now been *checks notes* 5 months since she’s even asked for a visit. She’s also a lifelong narcissist. Toxic parents are the absolute worst.

      • Bosandi says:

        Yes toxic parents are the worse. My mother is a narcissist. I cut ties with her when my son was a teen. I never blocked her contact with him. He had a cell phone and they’d communicate off and on. She suddenly stopped communicating with him. I don’t know why. My suspicion is she’d rather tell people how I’ve shut her out of her grandson’s life. Always the victim…
        I’m glad she has no contact with him. She did a number on my brother and now he’s just like her. I couldn’t bare for my son to turn out like her.

    • Pat says:

      I am sorry your going through that. She will most likely never acknowledge the hurt nor will she change. My Mom is 80 and still sociopathic. Haven’t spoken to her in 20 years. It’s sad because we all want decent Moms and Dads and many of us don’t get that. It’s a terrible ache. It helps to know it’s not your fault and they are 100% responsible for their actions. These personality disorders don’t change. They just try to find other ways to draw people back in but always revert to type.

  19. ABritGuest says:

    Knew he would be coming out soon. When Meghan was a welfare royal there was a pattern of thomas doing an interview either before a big engagement (clearly so the press could see if she showed signs of stress) or when she was quiet so no new appearances for the press to exploit- drag out the Markles. Rinse & repeat.

    Yeah sure Thomas will petition the courts. can’t even see him applying to do this & he’s got no grounds so just feels like threats for the press. I wonder how his other grandchildren, some of who are adults who he has never met, feel as he blatantly only cares about the royal grandchildren. Harry & Meghan both have some awful relatives

    • Lady Digby says:

      Does he have a meaningful relationship with any of his other grandchildren?
      Tom Markle Junior is set to appear on Australian Celebrity Brother amid claims that he will tell all about much younger half sister he last saw 10 years ago, is that what passes for celebrity these days?

      • equality says:

        Junior doesn’t have a rep for good behavior. Hopefully it will end up being like Katie Hopkins.

      • GuestWho says:

        He has NO relationship with his other grandchildren. There are some (I think most of them) he has never met. He’s only interested in the royal grandchildren.

        Junior is taking hobgoblin Hopkins place since she got thrown out of the country – the line up for the show is clearly bottom of the barrel.

      • Seaflower says:

        I really worry about my country if they think Jnr is a celebrity… but then again the channel (7) does employ Ben Roberts Smith and Sonia Kruger, and Shine Entertainment who make BB wanted Katie H before Jnr so they are obviously trying to stir up any Meghan and Harry feelings.

        I hope he gets kicked off in week 1 (or whatever happens to get rid of them on that show)

    • BnlurNforever says:

      Yes, Harry and Meghan both have some awful relatives, it’s one of the thing they have in common. I don’t think Harry truly understood the depths of his families toxicity until they began reacting to Meghan and then he saw it all. Meghan seemed to have learned to navigate her awful family early on and was successfully managing them before she met Harry and the BM started coming for her. I’m sure they are consoling and reassuring each other every step of the way in this area as they both no doubt have coping skills developed through the years.

  20. Calibration says:

    70 miles from their LA (sic) mansion.

    It’s the details. They’re all (RR kp and TM) are as gross as each other. No surprise they wheeled him out at the announcement of the memoir.

  21. equality says:

    So he says he never met Harry but knows that Harry’s 36 years of life can be condensed down to a few hours on television? Somebody should have asked him how it is in the children’s best interest to meet his toxic self.

  22. Digital Unicorn says:

    This is nothing but an empty threat from him – he’s too lazy and broke to actually do it.

    Meghan and Harry will NEVER EVER let that awful man anywhere near those children – nor will he be allowed anywhere near them.

    I wonder why the haven’t used their lawyers to shut him up but i guess as he lives in Mexico it might be difficult.

    • Haylie says:

      He also has no legal standing in California:

      No prior relationship with Archie or Lili.
      Meghan is alive and a functioning parent.
      Harry and Meghan are married. (This is a huge protection)

      Those three things disqualify him before we even get to the on air blackmail and desire for pics to sell to the media, and the pre-wedding staged paparazzi photos.

      He’s working his way up to a restraining order.

  23. Ariel says:

    At this point I’m less disgusted by abusuve toxic absentee dad who we know is the worst, I’m more disgusted by any “news” organization that gives him airtime. He is never news- but he does bring the clicks, the advertising money.

    But seriously, he’s acting in bad faith because he loves the attention?? The news orgs are paying him??
    Could he really feel “wronged” by his poor daughter who he attempts to humiliate repeatedly?

    I know this is ugly, but what a relief it will be when his life comes to a natural end.

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      He is raging to the press because he has lost control and influence in and over her life – he isn’t getting what he wants from her and is acting out in this way to punish her for that. He is trying to bully and manipulate her way back into her life – it is a tactic that might have worked before but it isn’t working now and that is only triggering him even more. She cut him off to protect the children more than herself as they would become pawns in his games for power, money, control and attention.

      Thomas expected that the RF would financially take care of him and give him titles – he’s just like the MIddletons in the respect that he expected to be treated as royalty as well. He wasn’t and his fragile ego reacted badly to that.

      • Lady D says:

        Why is it these people automatically assume that manipulation and bullying are the best way to get what they want, especially now? The BM has watched for the past four years as their campaign to harass Harry and Meghan into a print/televised interview hasn’t worked, so how much longer are they going to stick with failure as their go-to method? I must admit, I’m a little surprised that not one newspaper in that country decided to take a pro-H&M stance.

  24. wow says:

    grandparent rights are a hot topic on r/legaladvice, boomer grandparents are cray cray

    there are certain states where it is not that hard to win, but california ain’t one

  25. L84Tea says:

    The whole topic of “grandparents rights” in general makes my blood boil. Nobody is entitled to see and spend time with my children except for me and their dad. Until they are legal adults, we are the only two people who have any right to determine who they interact with. A little shared DNA means squat to me. I once heard my father in law say “grandparents have rights” when speaking once about another person’s situation. I side-eyed him and tucked that memory away for if I ever need it one day. I doubt I will, but hey, you never know…

    Funny the timing of this. Harry’s big bad book is announced and suddenly this leech comes slithering out from under his rock. I’m really starting to believe he has a full fledge contract with the RF.

    • Erica says:

      Yeah, it’s weird to me too. My mom and dad divorced and my dads mom was horrible to me and my mom. Oddly enough, she adored my brother (she seems to favor males over females). She was threatening my mom, talking about taking her to court for ‘rights’ to see us. But when we did see her, she talked bad about my mom and would say she couldn’t believe my mom left my dad (who was an addict, abusive, and a cheater). My mom would never have me or my brother testify if she could help it but she did say that every time we saw grandma, we came back home upset at the things she said and no judge would allow my grandma to see us to alienate us from our mom.

      My grandma ended up not taking my mom to court and me and my brother really have no relationship with her anymore. Acting like Thomas (or my grandma) doesn’t endear you to your grandchildren, that’s for damn sure.

    • Lucy says:

      I will say, a friend of mine went through a situation that it sounds like the California courts would’ve helped with. Her sister was a single mom, and she and her mom and her sister were all raising her niece together.

      Her sister was killed in a car accident, and suddenly her loser addict ex (they’d never filed for divorce, but he lived with his mom and saw his daughter maybe three times a year since she was a baby) had custody.

      It was devastating, and they only saw her a few times after that.

      Those are the grandparents this is supposed to protect, not this waste of space.

  26. Curious says:

    lmao. he can try ,but its just empty words ,like he thinks he is scaring Meghan/Harry into seeing their children. there are recordings of what he said on tv before and after Meghan had children . not a chance he will ever get to see Meghan children.

  27. Erica says:

    I hope they get a restraining order against him. He needs psychological help.

    • Lady Digby says:

      Agreed Thomas Markle is behaving like a stalker who “loves” his victim and can’t accept that their relationship has completely broken down.Or else he knows there will be no reconciliation but loves the attention and money from paid interviews for vindictive commentary on someone else’s life that he can’t stop. For him every interview is a win because he gets paid for upsetting and punishing his daughter who he has decided should be financing him.
      I am annoyed that an interviewer doesn’t hit him with some hard questions about how he abused his daughter’s love and trust over the past 3 years. Grandpa or dad doesn’t grant you automatic access to offspring if you have emotionally abused them for years. And as for Harry saying too much and writing a book, bad dad needs to take a long hard look in the mirror. Also I have no doubt that he will self publish his own books entitled My Career and then My ungrateful daughter

  28. Steph says:

    This man is so gross. Also, he doesn’t meet the requirements to petition for visitation. One more thing, isn’t he living in Mexico for legal reasons like tax evasion or something? I doubt he’d step foot in an American court.

    • fluffy_bunny says:

      Sometimes it’s cheaper to live abroad when you retire because your money goes farther. You still have to file US taxes every year. I’m kicking around spending a couple of years in Asia and Europe when we retire unless we already have grandkids. It’s surprisingly cheap to live some places.

      • Steph says:

        Yeah, it’s definitely cheaper. But in this case I thought it was to hide from the law.

    • Jaded says:

      He actually had to declare bankruptcy some years ago and Mexico is a much cheaper place to live if you’re broke.

  29. Jezz says:

    I wonder if Meghan has a countdown clock, and if her father were to keep his trap shut and not talk to media for, say, six months, she’d reach out to him. But each time he gives an interview, she resets the clock to zero.
    I think she seems like a smart person, not a cruel person.

    • BnlurNforever says:

      It would not be cruel if Meghan has decided to never speak to Thomas again or have him near her children, that would be a wise decision. At this point it would be irresponsible of Meghan to let Thomas near her children, he’s proven to be a dangerous liar with no good intention. He maintains contact with the BM who has been carrying out a years long campaign to destroy Meghan and also his other daughter who hate Meghan and has hated Meghan since she was born. Thomas who knows how Samantha feels about Meghan not only allegedly shared the money Meghan gave him with Samantha, but always tried to put the responsibility of having a relationship with Samantha on Meghan. Meghan is a smart woman, I am sure she settled it a long ways back that Thomas will never be part of her life, or that of her children and that’s not cruel, it’s the right thing to do.

  30. Rebecca says:

    I hope Thomas Markle got a paycheck, because while perhaps he can file for “visitation”, his case would be tossed immediately. This is so annoying because grandparent rights in California is outlined on the California court system website and is easily found with a search engine. And it’s frustrating that any news organization gives him the time of day, but doesn’t follow up with the facts – he can’t even file because Meghan and Harry are married. He just mouths off and no one fact checks him. Ugh!

    As the court webpage says, “In general, grandparents cannot file for visitation rights while the grandchild’s parents are married. But there are exceptions, like:

    The parents are living separately;
    A parent’s whereabouts are unknown (and have been for at least a month);
    One of the parents joins the grandparent’s petition for visitation;
    The child does not live with either of his or her parents; or
    The grandchild has been adopted by a stepparent.”

  31. Liz version 700 says:

    Here is an idea Thomas…go see the multiple other grandchildren who are on their teens and have never met you. Why only interested in meeting the royal ones? So obvious and so gross

  32. Sofia says:

    It’s an empty threat. Remember when he said he was going to do an interview every month until Meghan talked to him? Or how he was going to sue Meghan’s friends about the People magazine article? None of that happened.

    And even if he filed for real this time and somehow managed to get a lawyer to take his case, it would fail during the first step.

  33. Over it says:

    You know I just can’t understand why Meghan would want absolutely nothing to do with this spermicide . I mean he just seem like the perfect grandpa. I wish he would go away and stay away forever.

  34. The Artist Formerly Known as Valiantly Varnished says:

    He has no legal standing to do that. And so once again this is about money for him and content for the tabloids.

  35. aquarius64 says:

    Bad Dad is the BM’s last chance to get pictures of Archie and Lili. TT has no leg to stand on; but if he got a stupid judge and was granted he can take pics of the kids with his cell phone and legally sell them to the Fail. There would be nothing H and M can do about it. And he better be careful. There may be more people in Hollywood that knows Markle’s dirt and may be willing to spill tea.

  36. Angel says:

    What about his other grandchildren ?

  37. Eurydice says:

    I guess his bank account is dwindling. If he really wanted to see his daughter and her family, he would do it the way Doria has – quietly, with Meghan’s best interests in mind, without selling her family to the press.

  38. Dss says:

    Doria must have superior supersonic genes to counter act his gene pool.

    • Jay says:

      Right? It’s astonishing.

    • EveV says:

      Lol! I have actually thought that before! Meghan is absolutely gorgeous (I mean, the woman literally glows!)! And she is smart and charming, etc and Thomas Markle is none of these things. He must have had some incredible game back in the day to make Doria look at him twice

  39. Wiglet Watcher says:

    Sure Tom, you can see Archie and Lili… just drive to this secure location, toss your electronics in the bag, get scanned, put on a mask, sign this NDA and you can visit with the only grandchildren you seem to care about.

    He would never unless he could profit from it.

  40. Coffeeisgood says:

    He is so gross. Ugh this makes me irrationally angry for Meghan. I hope her lawyers take him down

  41. Tish3 says:

    He would probably also petition the court for funds for while he had the kids. To buy necessities as well as bonus items to make sure quality of life was consistent. Like he would need a better car. A better house ….

  42. Grant says:

    Good luck, loser. Grandparents have no right to visitation in any US jurisdiction unless one parent has been deemed unfit and the child needs to be placed with next of kin. Can’t wait for him to get squashed in court!

  43. Jayna says:

    He’s being paid to do this. Some tabloid or his daughter put him up to this storyline to make money to say it. He would no more sue than the man in the moon because it could impact him financially. So it is a created story to either sell this story now and/or to create future stories off of it. He’s despicable. I would truly want to change my last name and not be associated with the awful last name Markle associated with dad and half-siblings.

  44. Julia K says:

    Somewhere he will find an attorney to take this case. Unwinnable, yes, but he will still pay an upfront fee. To some people, any publicity is good publicity. He only wants rights to the children so he can sell their pictures. $$$

  45. LMR says:

    If he were to actually file, and IF the court did not immediately toss his case for having no grounds and wasting the court’s time, I would love to see all of Thomas’ shady history disclosed and exposed on what would be a public record. Thomas Markle would have to embark on a 12-year self improvement plan just to be called a piece of shit. He is that low.

  46. Sophie says:

    Went through this stuff in California with my estranged parents. There’s NO way he gets his way. Grandparents rights do not apply to this situation. Also, there’s no already established relationship with the children, which means there’s no precedent for the relationship he’s seeking. And if H&M have their ish together, they probably have drawn up documents that ensure TM never gets access to the kids, even if h&m both passed away.

    When my parents threatened this, my attorney husband asked them if they like having money. Like, any at all. Because if they did this, they still wouldn’t get access to the kids AND they’d lose all their money in a drawn out legal battle.

  47. Lory says:

    Even half the comments on the Daily Fail story think he’s crazy with this one.

  48. Gina says:

    I wish somebody would investigate the connection between TM and the Royal Family (connection with British Press is obvious). As I heard, Jason Knauf was the “handler”, but I’d like to know more. Can we put the idea out there? To “Byline investigates”, maybe?

  49. MerryGirl says:

    Ha Ha Ha, wonder which RF member or tabloid is funding this insanity. He has as much chance of winning in an LA court of law as a snowball in hell.

  50. Serena says:

    Why is this fool still around?

  51. Gem says:

    I’m so sick of this narcissist and his bullshit. Thankfully he doesn’t have a legal leg to stand on.

  52. RoyalBlue says:

    yawn. same old same old. wake me up when Charles files for grandparents rights. Now that would be news.

  53. Jay says:

    Is he hoping the Sussexes will pay him to go away? Or is he hoping to crowdfund a lawsuit that would force Meghan and Harry to give up information to the court, then release it? And why is this despicable person allowed on 60 minutes???

    • Haylie says:

      60 Minutes Australia. They’ll let any clown on that show. It’s not the same as 60 Minutes US.

      • Jay says:

        Are they not the same brand, or this is an Australian program that happens to have a similar name to a more prestigious show? I’ve never heard of it!

      • Calibration says:

        I think they licensed the name which isn’t unusual. They used to be a fantastic investigative show 30 years ago but now it’s tabloid.

  54. ennie says:

    HA! suppose, just suppose that for a minute this happens, he would have to sign a BIG non disclosure agreement, and check him for cameras, chips and recorders before even seeing any grandchildren. He wants to sell them.
    HE would have to stay quiet for YEARS to demonstrate he is serious about not selling them before he could ever be considered for any forgiveness. He doesn’t stand a chance as it is, he dug his own grave.

    • nina says:

      Oooh boy.This fool is so going to regret this IF, and a big IF it gets past the filing stage. The court ordered investigation into his background while his application is pending, will destroy him. He is opening a Pandora’s box that will make hell look like a garden tea party.

      • L4Frimaire says:

        I’d really like to see a muthafucka try. He’s so anxious to have a day in court with Meghan, let’s see who’s been paying him and who he’s been selling Meghan out to. Who told him to pull that wedding stunt and even to try this nonsense. All roads lead to London.

  55. HaHa says:

    Has no one at the Daily Fail heard of Google maps? Because it’s 244 miles from Rosarito to Montecito. Morons.

    • Eurydice says:

      Oh, they don’t care. They probably think everyone in the US knows everybody else in the US. Like those people who say, “You’re from NY? Do you know my cousin Fred? He lives in Nebraska.”

      • nina says:

        I remember a South African friend of mine being asked a similar but intentionally racist one regarding South Africa. We worked in the same department at a large international company in London

        On our tea break one morning this douche bag asked him if they all lived in trees in Africa. His response was straight faced: “Yes and your Ambassador lives in the biggest tree at the end of my street.”
        I burst out laughing and accidentally spitting tea down the front of the guy’s shirt.

    • Jay says:

      Good catch! Several California-savvy posters have mentioned that the British tabloids seem to have a very loose understanding of California geography, thinking everything is close to Hollywood or LA. It is pretty funny that they would put such a specific number in the story and then be wrong about it! But I guess if you work for the Daily mail, you aren’t exactly worried about your dignity.

      • Agreatreckoning says:

        @Jay “But I guess if you work for the Daily mail, you aren’t exactly worried about your dignity.”

        Yep..nor do they concern themselves with things like facts or the truth.

  56. Well Wisher says:

    It is telling that he was on 60 minutes Australia along with Uncle Gary.
    Uncle Gary explicitly expressed sympathy for Markle in his interview with the Fail.
    Markle doing interviews with Fox and 60 Minutes Australia can infer he has contracts with both Rothmere and Murdoch. I guess it is safer to attack by class rather than race.
    It is about access to the children’s images and the ability to define them for profit.
    Their business plan is mired in the amoral and lucrative plantation economy of which the net profit is
    is selling images and reputation distruction rather than unpaid labour.
    Meghan’s favourable court ruling and the upcoming book does not bode well for that particular platform.
    It is clear from past actions is to go to the considered lower class embarassing relatives and pay them to make a complete fool of themselves. The reimbursement would seem for photos/images.
    This and theb brother in Australia. It is a business plan, not personal but steeped with the entitlement to amorally exploit humans.They must make the 💰 by hook or by crook. Real news be damned.

  57. Kkat says:

    I live in southern California near Long beach.
    It takes 2-3 hours to get to San Diego, another hour from there to the border usually.
    Then with traffic (there always is) almost an hour to get to Rosarito beach.

    Then going north it’s a good 3 hours to Santa Barbara. Or worse depending on time of day/week

    So if you were going really fast, with no traffic you could probably do it in 5-6 hours.
    But we always have traffic, so more like a 7 hour drive from Montecito to Rosarito

    I didn’t account for the line at the border, if it’s backed up you can add a good hour or more then.

    Plus in California he meets zero criteria for grandparents visitation court orders.
    My x in laws tried it, they got nothing.

  58. Traci says:

    I wonder how much money the daily fail has given him over the years to keep this narcissistic behavior going.

  59. TeamMeg says:

    What an A-hole.

  60. Swagger and Roll says:

    Sure he is. Who’s paying for it? If he loses, does he have to pay their costs? He can’t even afford his own.

  61. Grumpy says:

    Willfully inflicting stress on your daughter, that too a new mother, is next level cruelty. As some of the commenters mentioned, they need to see her in pain. My heart goes out to Meghan and Harry. Meghan has at least one supportive parent. I can only imagine the intensity of Harry’s grief and to have it all play out for the world to exploit. These monsters won’t let them grieve and move past their pain. They need to inflict more and more to ensure that they live in pain. And they have no repercussions. Where is Karma for these cruel people?

    • aquarius64 says:

      Karma would be the IRS to get a hold of the Markle bank accounts and tax returns. I’m sure that tabloid blood money had to be reported. Tax fraud is 5 years.

      • fluffy_bunny says:

        Even though he lives in Mexico he still has to file US taxes every year. Someone needs an audit.

      • Tessa says:

        I think he left the US to avoid the IRS. Andrew Morton in his book about Meghan said he lost a lot of money in bad investments.

  62. House of No says:

    He’s such a loser and a bum. I live in Southern California. He has no case for rights. None at all.

  63. samipup says:

    This was prob ably mentioned already. The visitation would not be allowed because the border of the US are closed aren’t they? The rise in Delta variant COVID and the high number of people who don’t care about helping stop the surge by refusing to believe in reality and scientific fact by not being vaccinated. Sorry re the rant. I’m a nurse and am hearing about the surge in COVID in young people.

  64. Gk says:

    All publicity seeking. He knows it will be nothing. He just have to keep finding new ways to get attention and get $. I predict next time it will be something about one of their projects/ the preschool Archie is in… the color of Lili’s stroller 😂

    • fluffy_bunny says:

      Maybe he’ll get papped trying to gain access to the preschool? I’m sure the school has a big ole picture of him and strict instructions on what to do if he shows up.

      • HeatherC says:

        They won’t even need a picture. He’ll come with paparazzi and cameras which would be trespassing unless the parents of ALL the kids at the preschool consent

  65. Aud says:

    He doesn’t even see his other grandchildren. He only wants to see these ones because of they’re connected to the RF.

    He’s running out of stories to sell to the press so he wants a “relationship” with Harry and the kids (he doesn’t care about Meghan).

    No court is going to give him visitation. He has no relationship with Meghan and has never even met the kids. Meghan has plenty of proof that it is not in the best interest of the children for him to be involved in their lives. I doubt he even files, just wanted a media pay day so he did this.

    • kelleybelle says:

      Guess what else? I don’t think he’s seen Meghan himself since 2011 at her grandmother’s funeral.

  66. Linda says:

    What a clown. He has no rights to her children, that is between the mother and father of the child. Stop trying to control your daughter and her womb. Random people can’t just come out the word work, blood or not and demand anything from parents of children in the family. This is abuse and harassment. They need a restraining order and this should be enough after all the crazy stuff that comes out of his mouth. The world is getting more disgusting by the minute.

    • Tessa says:

      I think Harry and Meghan by this time have a will giving custody of their children to the person of their choice to keep Tom away.

  67. The Recluse says:

    They’re going to need a restraining order to keep Thomas and his equally problematic daughter et al away.

  68. pearliecue says:

    Thomas Markle must just have money to burn. He has next to no chance to win.

    Here’s why:

    Under California law, a grandparent can ask the court for reasonable visitation with a grandchild. To give a grandparent reasonable visitation with a grandchild, the court has to:

    Find that there was a pre-existing relationship between grandparent and grandchild that has “engendered a bond.” This means that there is such a bond between grandparent and grandchild that visitation is in best interest of the grandchild.
    Balance the best interest of the child in having visitation with a grandparent with the rights of the parents to make decisions about their child.

    In general grandparents cannot file for visitation rights while the grandchild’s parents are married. But there are exceptions, like:

    The parents are living separately;
    A parent’s whereabouts are unknown (and have been for at least a month);
    One of the parents joins the grandparent’s petition for visitation;
    The child does not live with either of his or her parents; or
    The grandchild has been adopted by a stepparent.

    Obviously he has no prior relationship with the children, he poses a danger to the children’s emotional health, AND none of the exceptions apply in this instance. He’s blowing smoke — which hurts his daughter/son-in-law/grandchildren — and appears motivated by either 1] money, 2] publicity, and/or 3] interference with his daughter’s family relationships.

  69. Marivic says:

    The Royal family and the British media, together with some American media, are out to pulverize Meghan in the eyes of the world. The RF and BM know they’re successful in smearing the image of Meghan in UK— what with the results of her dwindling popularity as a consequence of the never-ending anti-Meghan coverage. But they’re having a difficult time convincing the world to go against Meghan. They see that she has silent support from all over the world. So their objective now is to destroy and burn her down on a global stage by non-stop and unrelenting anti-Meghan propaganda until she disappears from the face of the earth. Pretty much like what they did to Princess Diana. But this time they will fail. The people of the world are watching them and at stake is the loss of respect from across the globe and the potential withdrawal of the countries under the Commonwealth. The end of the monarchy finally.

  70. Carmen-JamRock says:

    I cant believe that folks are ignoring the fact that these very exact same stories were published bk in 2019 when this scumbag pulled the same prank/’threat’after Archie was born. The very same. The very same stories from the very same people; the very same outrage from the very same people; and the very same licking of chops for the courts to get involved by the very same people.

    • kelleybelle says:

      Yep, pretty much a non-story because surely these people know that legally he has zero grounds. It’s almost funny.

  71. Ry says:

    The level of white trash is funny. As if this pos has anything of value to spew. It’s not like he actually wants to see the kids or he’d of done it privately and never uttered another word.
    Nope. This is a narcissistic garbage bich.
    And a deprived lonely old fart.

  72. Ry says:

    I’d enjoy seeing wtf court of law is going to take him seriously. I mean it’s not like he can do a jury trial lol. They’d have to find 12 people hiding underneath a rock and then, question THEIR sanity.
    No one would negotiate.
    Literally, scumbag got paid for speaking.

  73. Lee says:

    Tom senior, threatening the law suit, Tom junior on Big Brother Australia, all they need is Samantha to revive the toxic trio. It’s so obvious these people are being paid to pull their stunts. Whoever is paying them they are not helping the cause because the toxic trio are so repulsive its impossible not to root against them.

  74. lola says:

    FFS. Even google knows – CALIFORNIA law –

    A judge deciding a grandparent’s visitation case begins with the presumption that grandparent visitation shouldn’t be allowed if both parents (or one parent with sole custody) agree that the grandparent shouldn’t have visitation. It’s the grandparent’s burden to prove to the court that visitation is in the child’s best interests.

    When determining whether visitation is in a child’s best interests, courts consider a host of factors, including each of the following:

    the child’s health, safety, and well being
    and history of domestic abuse by anyone seeking custody or visitation
    each person’s use of drugs or alcohol, and
    the nature and frequency of contact between the child and person seeking custody.
    In grandparent visitation cases, judges must determine whether there is a preexisting relationship between the grandparent and grandchild such that it’s in the child’s best interest to continue the relationship. Courts also must balance parent’s prerogative to deny the grandparent’s visitation against the positives of the grandparent having visitation. If a child is 14 or older, the judge will also consider the child’s opinion on grandparent visitation.

    When a child’s parent dies, the court can grant visitation to the deceased parent’s children, siblings, parents, or grandparents if it’s in the child’s best interests. Judges consider the amount of contact between the child and the other family member when deciding whether to grant visitation for all family members except grandparents; grandparents need only show that it’s in a child’s best interests for them to win visitation.

    take a hike ya media ho.

  75. NotSoSimpleTaylor says:

    So much royal tea has been spilled in my direction today and I will likely need time to process most of it. I had lunch with a royal reporter who spilled tea yesterday who asked to speak to my 82 year old tea spilling aunt Irina as an extra source (my aunt has done this in the past, she’s been a source for continental tabloids for years regarding either BRF or the occasional curiousity regarding my own family history). It’s been a minute since I had any recent tea and…omg. Give me a minute guys.

    However, one piece of tea that was spilled is that apparently Thomas is getting scary. He’s well on his way to a restraining order and not just for the interviews. Apparently when he dropped that letter off at Oprah’s house, he made an attempt to see Meghan but gate security wouldn’t let him anywhere near her and he gave a letter to her security team that made it’s way into her lawyers hands. Since Lilli’s birth, he’s been seen driving around Santa Barbara and Montecito a lot lately. And get this: he was given a cease and desist letter by Harry and Meghan’s lawyers after his 60 Min Australia interview. Simply put, if he doesn’t stop using the press to abuse his daughter and/or is seen near their house again, they will file a restraining order against him. My best guess is that a restraining order is imminent. But where Thomas was just toxic before, his actions are now going to what I can only imagine is a scary place. If he is in fact going anywhere near their house, that is not okay in the slightest.

    I’ll spill more once I process everything.

    • kelleybelle says:

      Sounds like wishful thinking to me. As much as I’d like to believe it … it’s too much info from someone, and how exactly do they KNOW this is the question. It’s awfully detailed and no one close to H&M will make a peep. So I question the source. He knows he is dead to her, he knows that. How could you not? Its been 3 years she cut contact.

  76. Carmen-JamRock says:

    ^ I dont believe u.
    No restraining order will be filed by/on H&M’s behalf against this crotchety old f@rt. Because, what happens when he violates the order, as he would? Do u see where this is going?
    Now tell us, in whose gossipy, voyeuristic, dying-to-see-Meghan-brought-low interest is it to see her take out a restrainjng order against her sperm donor and subsequently to see her fighting with him in court?
    Cui bono?

    • NotSoSimpleTaylor says:

      I don’t believe me either, for what it’s worth. It’s some juicy tea that got spilled over lunch. But one thing to consider, even if he goes to the press afterwards and they can prove their case and get the restraining order, then he can be charged with a felony in California when he re-enters from Mexico.

      There is only one thing I was told that I do believe and that is Harry wants to quit every single one of his titles and is being blocked by Charles and Elizabeth.

      • Lady D says:

        Chuck and Liz are blocking him because they don’t want to be known as the one who took the title from the biracial family member. Racist forever.

  77. MangoAngelesque says:

    He’s going to be like that abusive lunatic who keeps using the courts to repeatedly assault Sofia Vergara, isn’t he? He couldn’t force them to engage through the media, so he’ll find some unscrupulous lawyer willing to make noise, and use the court system to harass them now that they’re in the States.

    Surely now that they ARE here, and can take measures to protect their little family, they can legally rebuke him now? Slander, cease and desists, even restraining orders if he and Sicko Sammie just canNOT keep the Sussex family’s names out of their mouths…? Something??

  78. aquarius64 says:

    @NotSoSimplyTaylor – if was you say is true, the Sussexes need to bring the law in. It’s explains the visitation garbage. But I think what happened was TT showed up at Oprah’s and Meghan’s and dropped off letters. Meghan AND Oprah sicced their lawyers on him and why Bad Dad popped off at Oprah in the 60 Minutes interview. He probably blames Harry for not being able to see the kids. No doubt the Sussex lawyers are building a dossier on Toxic Tom that if push comes to shove they can bury him. And I bet law enforcement is in the loop. They are giving Bad Dad enough rope to hang himself; and watch the BM drop him and the Markles like bad habits because of potential criminal exposure.

  79. Julia K says:

    Is it impolite to wonder if this pos is actually Meghans’ biological father? They appear to share not one gene in common. She is intelligent, educated and behaves impeccably. He is none of those things.

    • kelleybelle says:

      Because Doria left the abusive bastard when Meghan was 2 is why.

      • Carmen-JamRock says:

        Yes she did. But because of her compassion & because she wanted her daughter to arrive at her own conclusions abt her father, Doria still welcomed toxictom to her home such that M was able to write in the Tig tht when her father came to visit, it wd be just like they were a family tht all lived together.

        I believe strongly tht one of the reasons that Doria left toxictom was tht his older spawns could come & go at their house whenever they pleased and they wd be disrespectful to Doria and toxictom did nothing abt it.

    • Tessa says:

      Tom’s first wife and the mother of two of his children is estranged from Samantha, their daughter–Samantha was the one who started running to the media. Samantha’s own children are also estranged from their mother. His first wife like Doria apparently saw how toxic Tom was and left him.

    • Marjorie K. Margel says:

      Doria saw what Tom was probably before Meghan was born, or right after and divorced him.
      Good for he.

    • Jennifer says:

      I don’t want to defend the guy, but from whatever biography I read about Meghan a few years ago, it sounds like her dad was a good dad to her until Harry came along and then he….curdled.

      His other kids sound awful, though I’m not sure who to blame that on.

      • Carmen-JamRock says:

        If you’d actually pd attention to the info thats available abt toxictom you wdnt hv any doubt abt his abject failure as a father, husband, grandfather and human being.

        Info from his 1st wife; from his other-daughter-whom-Meghan-doesnt-know (as she has said categorically); from his criminal son; and from his own well-documented actions & utterances (for ex: he’s only met 2 of his 6 grandkids and has NO RELATIONSHIP with any of them).

        And, of course, his many pd tv & print media appearances where, for the right price, he will bash his only successful child for sport.

        Anyone who still has any doubt tht toxictom is a garbage human, cannot be helped at this point.

    • Agreatreckoning says:

      @Julia K..Yes, it is impolite to suggest that.imo It’s not that unusual for children to be unlike one or both parents. There are enough problematic parent/child relationships in the public eye to support that. Matthew McConaughey didn’t speak to his Mom for about 8 years because she kept going to the press, Angelina Jolie didn’t speak to Jon Voight for awhile after he shared Maddox’s adoption to the press-their’s has been very back and forth, Oliver & Kate Hudson have been estranged from their Dad for a long time. Oliver did say after posting Happy Abandonment Day(around Father’s Day) he and Bill Hudson did engage in conversations after 12? years…Don’t know where Kate stands today. There is this.
      No one is questioning their parentage. It’s unseemly to question Meghan and her very dignified mother, Doria, on this.imo

  80. You Know Me says:

    NO fool like an old fool.

  81. Sarah says:

    LMFAO @ those of you who actually believe this man.