It’s time for yet another thrilling episode of “When are Meghan and Harry coming back because we don’t want them back, please are they coming back??” Here is what I genuinely believe: Prince Harry has asked/indicated to his grandmother that he would like to visit her and the rest of the family this fall. Maybe Harry and the Queen have made concrete plans or maybe not. But Harry’s conversation with the Queen has sent the courtiers and Kensington Palace into a complete meltdown. Which is why we’re getting weekly stories about “how dare Harry want to visit his 95-year-old grandmother?!?” Here this week’s episode.
There’s been a ton of speculation about if/when Meghan Markle and Prince Harry will return to the United Kingdom, with some sources saying they are hoping to visit before the end of 2021 and others saying that Meghan specifically won’t be back at all. But apparently, there’s been some conversation about the Sussexes spending the Christmas holidays with the Queen and the rest of the royals in Balmoral!
The Sun previously reported that there had been discussions about Christmas “and whether an invitation should be sent to Harry and Meghan, after they spurned one last year.” But royal biographer Angela Levin, who wrote Harry: Biography of a Prince, says the royals still have trust issues with the couple.
“The Queen would be delighted because she adores Harry—and also, you love a child even though you disagree with everything they are doing—but I think for the other royals, it is quite a stiff time where everybody has a very explicit diary of changing five times a day and what they have to do at what time,” she explained. “I think it will be very, very difficult if they come over because the feeling is you can’t trust them and they might use this for their next documentary or for his next book.”
“…There has also been discussion about Christmas — and whether an invitation should be sent to Harry and Meghan, after they spurned one last year…” OMG “spurned”!!! You know, last Christmas… when the pandemic was still in full effect and there were widespread travel bans and Meghan was (as it turns out) pregnant with Lili. Besides, I don’t even believe an invitation was offered, much less spurned. In any case, the saltines want to make this about how audacious and terrible the Sussexes are for even daring to dream of…visiting the family or introducing the Queen to their daughter. Bitter, nasty people. I do think that *if* the Sussexes were invited to a Sandringham Christmas this year, they would spurn the invitation… but that’s just because they would probably prefer a Montecito Christmas. If they go to the UK, I think it will be in November or early December.
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The royals don’t even like the sandringham Christmases. Wasn’t it even said that most of them enjoyed being at their own homes last year without all of the protocol?
Shh. You’re messing up their fantasy with actual facts.
A very tight schedule with 5 outfit changes a day…on Christmas? It’s a no for me. That sounds torturous.
Isn’t that a telling glimpse into the lives of these people, though? How devoid of warmth their lives are. No wonder they’re (for the most part) so cold and selfish.
No wonder Baldy wanted to spend Christmas with the Middletons.
Cripes alfrighty. I barely manage to get out of my PJs on Christmas Day.
The papers normally publish the Sandringham Xmas schedule each year and it sounds absolutely deathly. Church, drinks, several changes of outfit, Xmas lunch at 1:00 p.m. but it all has to be over in time for them to sit down and watch the Queen’s speech at 3:00 p.m., the usual ghastly “outdoor” activities and then cold cuts in the evening. I think they allow the staff to have a drink at about 11:30 p.m. but they can’t do too much celebrating because they (the staff) have to be up again at about 4:00 a.m. to prepare breakfasts and make arrangements for the Boxing Day shooting party.
And that doesn’t get into Christmas Eve, which is the big formal dinner.
They don’t pay their employees all that well. Is it supposed to be some sort of honor to serve the royal family? It sounds dreadful.
We don’t trust them not to tell on our racism is more like it. They are so shook that the Sussexes have the name of the “Royal racist” in their back pocket (…I think it’s William).
You know it’s William with how hard the courtiers are trying to push Camilla or Anne into the news cycle over it. They are willing to try to throw those two women under the bus to save him.
@Millennial it’s hilarious that they have the audacity to publish things like this when EVERYONE knows that William is the one who cannot be trusted (well, none of them really can).
William has been the one running to Dan Wooten leaking like a sieve, but sure, Harry is the “untrustworthy” brother. 🙄 Their crap is just exhausting at this point. And sad for Harry.
It’s old, it’s tired and it probably not true.. the tale of the British media, BRF and firm.
Whether the Duke and Duchess of Sussex travel to England with their children will never be something the tabloids are privy to. Like previous trips by Prince Harry unless they are stalking their home town they won’t know anything until they are actually there.
They British tabloids really need to stop dragging the same nonsense out over and over..
I don’t know. I think that if they meet the Queen or another family member, it actually WOULD be something the tabloids would be privy to, since the royal courtiers love to flap their mouths. There’s no way they would have knowledge of such a meeting and not blab to the tabloids about it.
These people just want some of the Sussex shine to rub off onto their old and pale selves. You know, popular by association.
It’s guaranteed the aides will talk to the press they have the royals in their pockets if they want favourable coverage they have to spill the beans e.g the cambridge kids welcomed archie
I would be creeped out if I were Meghan and Harry and would never set foot over there again. Kate and Will have let their jealousy and obsessiveness go so far off the rails, I wouldn’t put it past them to wear M & H as a pair of skin suits like the alien in Men In Black lol.
You know they should do what Presidents and VPs, etc. do when they visit combat zones- don’t make anyone aware until you’re out of there.
Fly in private, transfer to cars directly, see the Queen in seclusion, then fly out.
Lol they really are SHOOK! They are so shook that we no longer hear from palace aids and courtiers boldly quoted anymore. They know Harry has a book coming out so they are treading lightly.
I’m sure there are still sending out talking points especially people like Jason Knauf but for the most part they have been silent. Lol
I think most of this is Royal reporters stirring sh** up because they need their narratives of Meghan and Harry out there. They need drama to sell.
It always ends up being the same story recycled every couple weeks but from a different royal report to a a different tabloid. Same sh*** different day.
@LP: You’re right. Since it was announced that Harry was writing a book the Palace briefings against him and Meghan have stopped. They know that anything they say might end up in the book.
Changing five times a day…I don’t think this is new knowledge but it’s still funny. I could see maybe 2 or 3 times maybe? Day outfit, outdoor exercise outfit, fancier night outfit? 5 seems excessive and the fact that it’s so regimented. How controlling. It’s a different world, I guess.
I think there’s a morning outfit, a hunting outfit, a tea outfit, a dinner outfit…..I must be missing one.
Probably also a church outfit. What a life 😅
@Lulu – oh you’re right, I was completely forgetting that we were talking about Christmas day, lol, I think they have all the outfit changes every day.
I’ve got a lot of clothes hanging that I never get to wear, esp. after the last 2 years so I could almost see this being kind of fun once, assuming you enjoyed the company and had a lot of alcohol. But def not every year. And well the hunting and church part would not be for me. So maybe a breakfast funny pajamas outfit with mimosas and bloody Mary’s. Then an outdoor walking outfit sans the hunting. Then a happy hour outfit, a napping outfit, and finally wear your fanciest outfit, whatever that means to you, which could be sweatpants and a tiara if you wanted. So that’s my alternative 5 costume changes but it would be non-mandatory so those that want to say eff-off, of course, may choose to do so.
“your fanciest outfit, whatever that means to you, which could be sweatpants and a tiara if you wanted”
I would add a lace-up corset top to the sweatpants and tiara just for shits & giggles!
I guess technically I change twice:
1. PJ’s to daywear (comfy trousers and Christmas jumper)
2. Daywear to PJ’s
I do have three Christmas jumpers but usually one is reserved for Christmas day (it’s handmade with crystals glued on so doesn’t wash well) so sometimes I change into one of the others to mix it up a bit but typically not.
Huh, maybe it’s not just the queen who has a rigid routine!
I think it was a tradition/schedule handed down mostly unchanged from either Victoria or Edward the 7ths time. Imagine being an Edwardian or Victorian woman and having to carry that many clothes because you had to change multiple times during the entire visit! Yikes!
First off, Sun, its Sandringham, not Balmoral.
Second – no one went to Sandringham last year ,not even the Queen if I recall correctly, right? She celebrated Christmas at Windsor. Wasn’t that when there was a big to-do because her staff refused to quarantine away from their families over Christmas? So H&M did not “spurn” any invitation.
Third – while Harry has spilled some tea in his interviews, its all been very careful and the worst he has said is that Charles cut off his support, William and his relationship is “space” and oh yeah someone in the royals is a racist who had concerns about Archie’s skin color (cough William cough.) but he’s not telling us the specifics of any conversation. Even things about how Charles wasn’t that great a father and the Queen and Phillip weren’t great parents….we all knew that anyway. It was only scandalous to the rota because they suck at life.
Fourth and finally – maybe they’ll go, maybe they won’t. I can see it being more likely that they’ll go in December (IF they go at all) and are back home by Christmas and celebrate christmas in their home, or maybe go over for New Year’s or something. That way they can see the family they want to see with less protocol and rules and easily avoid those they dont want to see. So they might go to the big family party at BP in December but I feel pretty confident saying we will not see them at the christmas church walk.
(again, that’s IF they go back, which is a big IF.)
@Becks: the big family lunch in December is where Princess Michael greeted Meghan with a blackamoor brooch. I don’t think Harry wants to put his family in that toxic gathering.
True! But I think if they go to any type of family event, it would be more likely to be that one where there are more people and Harry can avoid the people he hates, and its only a lunch, as opposed to Sandringham with all those rules and outfit changes etc.
Again though, that’s if they go back at all.
@Becks it doesn’t seem to occur to anyone that while they’re having this giant Christmas brunch w/tons of relatives, Doria only has one child and would likely be alone. I have no idea if Doria even cares; she might be fine with time to herself, or with other relatives, but that’s not the same as spending Christmas with Meghan and her grandchildren. As an only child with divorced parents, I *always* keep in mind that my mom will be alone. She never makes me feel obligated or guilty, but it’s always there in my mind, and I’m sure Meghan factors that in when making plans about where to spend any holiday. The BRF Christmases sound like utter torture, and even if my mom didn’t mind being alone, I’d definitely use it as an excuse to get out of that nonsense.
It’s also ridiculous how everything is always what the Queen wants and how the Queen will feel, etc. When it involves public events like Trooping, fine, they’re “working” and she’s the boss. But families, especially ones with small children — should have the freedom to decide how *they* want to spend Christmas instead of always being reminded of what Granny wants ffs.
We ALWAYS hear about how much the Queen wants the whole family together, but IIRC, the children are immediately shuttled off to a completely different wing of the house to spend the day with nannies so no one even gets to see them, play with them, give them presents, etc., and they can’t even eat with their families!
It’s so selfish for the Queen to guilt everyone into doing every xmas HER WAY even if it’s the opposite of how they want to spend the day.
I don’t believe Harry and Meghan will be returning to UK for the rest of year. The fact that the Wellchild Awards which usually take place in September/October were moved up instead of back says Harry is not going to be there. If he had any intention of visiting in November/December then the Wellchild Awards would be held then. It also turns out the piece that Richard Eden wrote about Harry and William reuniting in December for the Diana Awards was false. The CEO posted on Twitter that the story wasn’t true. The reason why the press is harping on Harry and Meghan returning for Christmas is because this is what they want to happen. Christmas at Sandringham sounds dreadful and I don’t think that Harry wants to go back to spending Christmas there after spending the last two with his own family. Plus, I would like to think they want to spend their 1st Christmas as a family of four in California.
Not even just in California, but actually with their own children, including Lili since it’s her first Christmas. The children are separated from the adults at Sandringham Christmas and have to eat and hang out in the nursery.
I’m sure they ALL have trust issues. The entire idea of a monarchy just screams “toxic family” to me, and here we have the inevitable fallout. As the mother of two sons myself, I feel so much for the late Princess Diana. It would pain me to know that after I left this earth, the rest of their “family” eventually and inevitably tore them apart. To me, there are no “sides” in this. I get zero happiness from seeing two brothers being pitted against one another by family and media, and I hate that their wives and probably, eventually children, will be drawn into this as well. I guess that’s why I tend to try to avoid these posts and the snark. They marched behind their mother’s coffin together as children after witnessing at least in some part what she went through. None of that ever should have happened, and the story, to me, is tragic. I hope against hope that the rift is repaired and all end up happy. Sorry, but I just do. Nobody’s really “winning” in the current scenario being played out. I think maybe Diana was the one who could’ve kept her sons together instead of letting them be separated by idiocy and royal dogma. But we’ll never know.
I don’t see Harry getting past the actions of his brother, which have directly led to his family having to have permanent security because of constant threats to their lives. This is more than a rift and some things are unforgivable, regardless of your relationship to the person.
But it’s not just idiocy and royal dogma. It’s racism, jealously and harassment I believe most from William and likely some other members of the family. William participated in this. Until he actually apologizes for his/his staffs behavior nothing can really be “reconciled.” You don’t just get over that.
Again, this is one area of gossip I avoid because of the reasons I stated before. I just said what I said, not really here for the argument. The family’s toxic and I wish them ALL peace.
I mean technically I wish them ALL peace in that truly peaceful people don’t go out of their way to hurt others and especially not family members.
I wish the royal family the same kind of peace they wished Meghan when she was pregnant, having suicidal ideations and they refused to get her help.
@CanIChangeMyName,
I appreciate the sentiments you’ve expressed, and that you don’t want to debate or argue. That’s commendable on your part. This is all a sad, complicated situation. Many people can relate to the complex family-related emotions and relationship issues. But more-so in the sense of our recognizing the Sussexes’ courage and their desire for self-preservation that made them strong enough to escape the gilded cage toxicity. Sometimes, it’s really necessary to leave toxic people behind. It’s not M&H’s responsibility to make peace. They’ve created their own peace instead.
Honestly, I don’t think M&H harbor any ill-will toward any of their toxic family members, on both sides. But at the same time, they’ve had to draw a much needed line in the sand to protect their marriage, their children, their future, all that they stand for and everything they care about. Their very lives were in danger of being radically destroyed or snuffed out had they remained held captive by the firm.
Now, although they still require a high level of security against threats that are out there, at least they have independence, autonomy, and the freedom to make their own decisions. They are thriving, not just surviving the broke British media and the antiquated firm.
Won’t we all like to forgive and forget. If only our dear dear brother wasn’t a racist bullying incandescent ahold to my wife, me and my children. Yeah, they will be no forgiveness and moving forward until William the incandescent tales ownership of his evil doings.
I understand that this is a very complicated situation, but you really don’t see two sides in this? One side weaponized an entire country’s media to villainize a woman to the point where she believed that being alive wasn’t worth it. The two “sides” are NOT comparable at all.
You’re very kind and I see your point about it being a sad situation. But there really are sides – they were established by the family, and the press, as usual, has been enlisted to solidify its side. There seem to be significant differences between how the RF defines it members as part of a greater hierarchy and how H&M define themselves as members of a family. Diana herself experienced the effects of these “sides” and Harry said he thought she may have foreseen that he’d have to leave someday. So, this isn’t a new “rift” that suddenly cropped up between brothers – each side has an entirely different philosophy of life. Of course, with Meghan, there’s the additional issue of race which made her position even more intolerable.
@CanIChangeMyName said:
” It would pain me to know that after I left this earth, the rest of their ‘family’ eventually and inevitably tore them apart. To me, there are no ‘sides’ in this. I get zero happiness from seeing two brothers being pitted against one another by family and media, and I hate that their wives and probably, eventually children, will be drawn into this as well.”
While I appreciate your thoughts, as I said in my previous post, I am in agreement with Eurydice, Over-it, Lila, LP, and Mimi. They have all made great points. And it’s not about arguing. It’s just our perspective on what the Sussexes have had to endure. And also, it’s a larger situation than just two brothers having a rift.
It’s about the rabid British media, and the toxic, incompetent, and outdated firm. If the firm wasn’t so lax, stale, and outdated, they wouldn’t need to be tearing down M&H at every turn, even as they copy their style, their ideas, and their initiatives.
Also, please understand that the brothers’ differences go back a long way to their childhood days. They’ve always been sibling rivals, despite being affectionate brothers too. The cracks already existed in their relationship, way before Harry met Meghan.
If Diana hadn’t been killed, lots of things would be different. But she was killed, and everyone has had to live with the consequences, most grievously, of course, her two sons. William was an impressionable 15-yr-old when his mother died. He was sadly, completely taken over by the grey men Diana hated, simply because of his status as FFK. William’s already problematic personality clearly worsened under the poor influence of courtiers and palace p.r. coddling him, and throwing Harry to the wolves. That was part of the whole tit-for-tat ‘media game,’ Harry grew up to despise.
Fortunately, however, being the perpetual scapegoat taught Harry how to learn from his mistakes. Plus, the media have no unrevealed secrets about H to leverage over him. The opposite is true for William, who learned nothing from his youthful errors, except that Harry would take the fall.
Oops, that’s no longer the case. Harry has escaped, while William remains trapped within the firm, a prisoner of his own transgressions, of his own petty rages and insecurities, and of the fawning, coddling grey men. Most of all, Cain TOB, is a prisoner of the tabloid media, who still leverage his secrets.
@Eurydice & aftershocks & everyone else posting the similar message
+1 more
The Windsors in England & BM/RR’s are the ones who have demonstrated they’re not to be trusted.
I wouldn’t hazard a guess at the Sussexes holiday plans, mainly because I assume any reconciliation regarding family issues won’t be discussed in public. At least until the book release and the public spectacle of the jubilee.
What creeps me out is Ms Angela’s obvious bitterness that Harry doesn’t return her calls… she’s like the villian in a lifetime movie…
The British caste system is based on shunning. The tabloids all have their panties in a knot because Harry and Meghan have opted out. The tabs keep trying to shun H and M on the royals’ behalf but that only works when both side care. The Sussexes don’t and the unquenchable fury by the tabs and courtiers and KP is kind of hilarious.
@Simone: When did the Sussexes give information about their Christmas plans to People Magazine? I have no recollection of that and if that was true, the Sun and others would not be still speculating about whether they were going to the UK or not.
Agreed. I don’t think the Sussexes work with any of the US tabloids either.
Me neither. They wouldn’t tell anyone of their plans 6 months in advance, let alone people magazine.
Doesn’t People have a British tabloid editor now? It wouldn’t surprise me if he decided to import some old habits.
I hope Harry & Meghan never set foot on that island again. From Mike Tindall’s comments to now this, it’s clear the Windsors still have a personal vendetta against Harry. That vendetta is only going to get more volatile, as H&M succeed further. That NYC visit really shook their frail little egos and I just know they’re planning to do some f*cksh*t the moment H&M land in the UK. These Windsors are nasty individuals.
It’s so annoying that we had years of the palace smearing the Sussexes (which still goes on), leaking their business & even trying to help the Mail’s defence in meghans case but because they hide behind the press as anonymous sources they have plausible deniability & can turn around and play the victim for those who don’t pay close attention.
Whereas because Harry& Meghan said what their issues were with the firm publicly- the press portray THEM as the ones who started the issues & can’t be trusted.
The press really want to get the jump on reporting when Harry may be in U.K. next. Why don’t they concentrate on the magnificent seven instead?
THIS. The Palace delusion is staggering- and totally normalized. They don’t see anything wrong because they’ve gotten away with their dysfunction and deniability for years.
I hope they don’t return anytime soon. Let the royal welfare recipients continue on competing in their one-sided rivalry with the Sussexes. Those people have a narcissistic idea of how important they are.
Here is the RRs new MO. Make up some BS about Harry and/or Meghan wanting to come back for some event or family gathering. Pray that it comes true. When it doesn’t, bullshit that it was the royal family that snubbed them and not the other way around.
Kaiser: love that picture and love the term “saltines”!!!
If Harry and Meghan didn’t want Archie first Christmas to be spent with a bunch of toxic people, I can’t see them wanting it for lili. Especially knowing how much those toxic Windsors hate them .
Levin is a troll. All this talk of the Sussexes “coming back for Christmas “ is just a the Rota’s collective wet dream. The Sussexes garner clickbait whereas the Fredos have us all agog with apathy.
Lol, the Sussexes don’t tell their plans to People magazine.
Harry and Meghan have no reason to subject themselves to that miserable family at such a joyous time of year. I can see them having their first Christmas at their new home as a family of four, grateful to have escaped and grateful for each other.
And yes, I’m sure they’re frightened of Harry and Meghan. If you help drive a woman to suicide ideation, there’s no reason to trust that her husband will keep your awful secrets. The Windsors are trash humans.
Lol and in other news the Sky is blue!
Obviously the royal family does not trust Harry and Meghan to not speak out, but pretty sure Harry and Meghan don’t trust the the royal family either and for other reasons. Which side is more justified in their reaction? I guess we can all make up our own mind.
Yes let’s use the word spurned cause declined is just too dull. Creative bullying, oops I meant writing at its best.
This is a bit out of topic, but very enlightening https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16261297/fake-grass-take-off-shoes-house-signs-common/?rec_article=true
@Sue, that was great, thanks for posting!
Funny how abusers call accountability “betraying their trust”! These people are evil I hope in Canada we open our constitution and get them the fuck out!
@Slippers4 life Amen!
+2!!