Prince Charles was the ‘royal racist’ asking about Harry & Meghan’s kids?

The Duchess of Sussex talks with Prince Charles at the Westminster Abbey Commonw

There’s a new royal book out this week: Christopher Andersen’s Brothers and Wives: Inside the Private Lives of William, Kate, Harry, and Meghan. Andersen has written royal books before, but I mostly know his name because the Daily Beast’s Royalist column is always quoting him about various storylines. I don’t really have a feel for whether he’s in the pocket of Clarence House or Kensington Palace, honestly. The excerpts from this book have the feel of half-truths and throne games, so who knows. One of the biggest headlines from the book excerpts is that Charles apparently asked Camilla about what Meghan and Harry’s children would look like, and that got twisted (??) by Buckingham Palace courtiers. Sure.

On Nov. 27, 2017, the engagement of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle was announced at 5 a.m. A few hours later, Prince Charles sat down for breakfast and mused to his wife, Camilla, “I wonder what the children will look like?” Camilla was “somewhat taken aback” by the question and replied, “Well, absolutely gorgeous, I’m certain.”

Lowering his voice, Charles asked: “I mean, what do you think their children’s complexion might be?”

This is according to a well-placed source who contributed to Christopher Andersen’s book “Brothers And Wives: Inside The Private Lives of William, Kate, Harry and Meghan” (Gallery), out Nov. 30. But Andersen stops short of claiming that Charles is the unnamed “senior royal” whom Harry and Meghan — whose mother is black and father is white — sensationally accused during their shocking interview with Oprah Winfrey

The author presents it as if the curiosity of Charles was seized upon and twisted by scheming courtiers to give it a racist spin. By the time the repackaged account reached the ears of Harry and Meghan, it had reached peak toxicity. Andersen points the finger at a group of high-level palace advisors known as the “Men in Gray.”

“The question posed by Charles was being echoed in a less innocent way throughout the halls of Buckingham Palace,” Anderson writes, describing the whispers of an elitist clique whom the Brits term “the old boys’ network.” Their gossip focused on how the royals would “look to the rest of the world” once African-American blood became part of the mix.

The book also reveals Harry’s frustration after he complained to Charles, who, according to another insider, told the prince he was being “overly sensitive about the matter.” This unsympathetic view was shared by William, who allegedly called the skin tone comment “tactless” but “not a sign of racism within the family.”

A spokesperson for Prince Charles told The Post: “This is fiction and not worth further comment.” A spokesperson for Harry and Meghan did not respond to requests for comment.

[From Page Six]

Yeah… at this point, my take on the “racist royal who was concerned about how dark the baby would be” conversation is that several royals were discussing it quite openly among themselves, but perhaps only one royal actually said that sh-t to Harry. While I’ll buy that Charles and his racist aides were probably saying sh-t (and maybe it got back to Harry), I still believe that William was the one to actually say something to Harry about “you can’t be serious about Meghan, think about what your children will look like.” I also suspect Kate probably said something along those lines too, anything to try to get Harry’s attention back on her. But to be clear, none of this was just an innocent query. I’m sure the whole family AND their staff members were all saying racist crap about Meghan constantly.

Oh, Chaz is super-mad!!


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  1. Alissa says:

    I’ve been pretty certain it was Charles the whole time. Harry seemed a lot angry with him than William when he spoke with Oprah.

    also they can try to spin it however they want but Harry and Meghan specifically said that the royal asked Harry to his face, so it had nothing to do with whispering courtiers.

    • Elizabeth Regina says:

      I see the hand of Joffrey all over this. Let the Games of Thrones begin.

    • Lurker8 says:

      I think it’s William. Harry said he and Charles were talking again. Keep in mind this man cut Harry’s security and would not provide any to Meghan and Archie and also basically directed the tabloids to their location in Canada and yet Harry is working on that relationship with his father but with William, Harry said he loved him but the relationship was space. It speaks volumes

      • Amy Bee says:

        @Lurker8: I don’t remember Harry saying he was talking to Charles. He said that there was a lot of work to do on their relationship. Charles didn’t even know that Harry and Meghan had bought a house or that Meghan was pregnant again.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        I never thought it was Charles that spoke to Harry about this matter and still do not think it was. Do not ask me why. I just never had the gut feeling that it was Chucky III.

      • Becks1 says:

        @AmyBee – Harry did mention talking to Charles, bc then Oprah asked if Charles was taking his calls again, and Harry kind of laughed and said yeah he was.

    • Selene says:

      Exactly, I think the courtiers would never repeat that question because due to their job (advising and upkeeping) they know that comment is incredibly damaging and backwards. This is the last thing The Firm needs, especially with today’s climate.

    • Amy Bee says:

      @Alissa: I think Harry expected more from his father. Hence the disappointment, he said Charles let him down. William tried to ruin Meghan’s life with the smear campaign and was racist towards her. William is not innocent in this.

    • Becks1 says:

      Harry said that he and his father were working on their relationship but his relationship with his brother was “space.”

    • Snuffles says:

      I got the opposite impression. I feel like Harry is completely done with William, but wants to try and rebuild things with Charles.

    • Ronaldinhio says:

      Agree, it was always Charles.

      I also seriously believe that they think this was a reasonable comment to make. They have no concern for other’s feelings, simply their God given right to behave as they choose.

      They in my opinion absolutely are a racist family – I will only ever remember the Sussex wedding to stunningly highlight this case.
      Their behaviour during the sermon from Bishop Curry said it all.

      It is a colonial family through and through.

      • Mac says:

        I think it was Charles because he is obsessed with his image and no doubt wondered how a black grandchild would reflect on him.

      • Jan says:

        I just don’t understand why the Royal family would have to worry about what Archie’s skin color would be, when they’re so many mixed race children in England.
        Well Charles did tell a brown person in Manchester (??), that she don’t look like she was from there, he is just as racist as his father.

      • Athena says:

        According to the article, he brought it up at the breakfast table, surrounded by servants within earshot. Given the staff structure, most like people of color and he didn’t think it was inappropriate. Going by Camilla’s response she seems more socially conscious and tried to change the tone of the comment.

        This story is coming out of William’s camp after the dragging he received and being called a racist for telling Africans to not have so many children. This was his unofficial response, I’m not the royal racist, it’s my dad.

      • Amanda Thomas says:

        Not a huge fan of Prince Charles but maybe his words were just taken out of context? On other blogs people admit to saying things like “I wonder what their complexion will be” for their own biracial children. Here CB has their Meghan rose coloured glasses on

    • Lurker8 says:

      @Amy Bee, I think Oprah asked him and he said his father is picking/answering his calls now but I’m going off on my memorybof the interview. I could only watch it once. It was too sad and I’ve never been able to watch it again.

    • Sid says:

      It was Willileaks. For their IG post for either Father’s Day or Charles’s birthday, the Sussexes put up a photo of Harry, Archie, and Charles at the christening. I do not believe they would have done that if it were Charles who had made those nasty comments. Meanwhile they never did anything like that for Willileaks. And Harry said he was working on his relationship with his dad, while the relationship with his brother was “space.” That says it all.

      • Nick G says:

        I think it was William too. Royalists are always trying to use the excuse that you can speculate on a childs colour innocently, but H and M were clear that the question shocked them. Meghan is a grown woman and as such has experience with both overt and casual racism. I have no doubt that Prince Charles, like his father, can be casually racist all day. This was more even than that…hence William, who is Harry’s age and would be expected by normal decent people to think differently.

      • Courtney B says:

        I’ve always thought it was primarily William. That there were various musings but William made THE point of no return comment. Charles is old and insulated, I could see him musing about it like what would a child with Meghan’s skin tone and Harry’s red hair look like or something. But I think William made a ‘wouldn’t that be awful’ or ‘can you imagine’ kind of nasty remark. And thus Harry is more at peace with space between he and William because he’s just DONE. But he loves his dad and wants more and better, wants him to GET it. And so he’s angry but said flat out in the interview he’ll keep working on their relationship. Plus the whole ‘it would be bad/damaging’ comment. I just don’t think people would be oh so shocked if it was Charles or had been Philip or the queen. Just way different generations and lots of people shrug because they have older relatives. But William? Someone of an age who *should* know better (but doesn’t)? Diana’s son, the future of the monarchy? I think William being outed *would* have been BAD in a way his doofus ‘we’re so not racist’ comments weren’t.

    • Jan90067 says:

      I think it’s William. After all, Harry DID say he’d still like a relationship with his father, but it’s “SPACE” with him and William. Harry wants *nothing* to do with his brother for the foreseeable future, if ever. I think he’ll be polite in public (as he was for PP’s funeral and Diana’s statue unveiling), but that’s it. No staying to catch up, no “family” occasions, nothing. It’s William.

      • Athena says:

        And William is the one who would not even acknowledge Archie as his nephew, preferring Pippa’s white son as his nephew over his brother’s .25% black son.

    • Demi says:

      I commented the exact thing after the interview my belief it’s only Charles capable of making such comments and there were cues from the Oprah interview. Logically speaking it can’t be William because he has his own heirs and they are all tilted so it won’t really affect him if his brother’s children are biracial. Charles, on the other hand, those are his direct descendants so it makes sense that he’s more concerned especially that Royals are obsessed with bloodlines and image I think it’s Charles and his advisors concerned about their future image with royal babies “not looking British enough” Then the way Harry was discussing Charles with Oprah and how he was disappointed because Archie is Charles’s grandson.

      • Becks1 says:

        That’s exactly why I think it was William though -he has his heirs who already have their HRH, who are going to grow up side by side with the Sussex children (well that was the plan anyway.) I think William wanted his heirs to be the only HRHs of that generation, and I think he was worried about decades of balcony appearances etc with his white children next to children who were…..not as white.

      • purplehazeforever says:

        Like I said all along…Charles. Too many of you let your opinion of William cloud you on this & think about this for a second.

      • Demi says:

        It could be many people in BRF are racist but only Charles & his advisors can deny Archie from HRH title William doesn’t have this power yet. just look at who goes on important tours to represent the queen and who will be traveling to Barbados Charles is already the head of state behind the scenes. William’s only power is leaking negative stories.

    • Green Desert says:

      @Alissa, I agree. I always thought Charles was who Harry was referencing during the Oprah interview. He was visibly so much angrier when talking about Charles in other parts of the interview than when he spoke about William.

      However, I still think this whole situation is like c*nt-gate on Veep. Most of the family/firm said something racist.

      • JT says:

        I think it was William. Charles is a coward. Chuckles had been ducking and dodging Harry for some time and even started blocking his calls. Every time Harry is in town Tampon disappears, never to be heard from again until Harry leaves. Charles may have had private concerns about Archie’s skin color, but I don’t think he’d have the balls to say it to Harry’s face. William on the other hand, would absolutely tell Harry that his kids might be too dark. He’s been running around town telling every RR who’d listen that Meghan is a bitch and a sociopath and that Harry is damaged goods whom he “can’t put his arm around anymore.” Do people forget who William is? He went on national TV and called his own mother paranoid.

    • RoyalBlue says:

      William is saying…I admit I said it to Harry, but father has been saying it behind his back all along.

  2. TheOriginalMia says:

    Any book or article that tries to frame William as being calm or concerned on Harry’s behalf makes me suspicious about who the author spoke to, and the passage I read yesterday made William out to be too good to be true. I don’t think the C&C convo happened as written. Maybe it did, but I fully believe William is the racist & said that ish to Harry’s face.

  3. Snuffles says:

    I agree. I think they were all talking about it behind Harry’s back. I also agree that William said it to Harry’s face AND probably used exceptionally rude, racist epithets while doing so. Wasn’t it Tom Brady that mentioned things were said that cannot be unsaid? Exceptionally hurtful things that cannot be forgiven?

    • Elizabeth Regina says:

      It’s the way they tell on themselves. The three houses were quick enough to issue a joint statement and Chuck is able to engage his lawyers over a book but when it comes to his biracial daughter in law it’s crickets. This is going to run and run!

    • Myra says:

      Agree with this take. Charles may have participated in conversations behind their back (probably joked about it, too), but the person who said it to Harry was William. He probably didn’t realise that Harry would repeat this to Meghan. And with his living space decorated with blackamoor statues, Charles cannot claim he is not a racist royal.

  4. Alexandria says:

    It’s ok Chuck. I think you’re all racists. Feel better?

  5. Millennial says:

    In recent months I’ve suspected it’s actually William. He is grinding his axe on a whole other level, which leaves me to be believe he’s either the one who said it…. Or that he legitimately thinks they leaked the rose affair.

    I think Harry was mad at Charles for cutting the security and being callous about the safety threats.

  6. Digital Unicorn says:

    I think that there were likely several royals who asked that but to make Harry that angry it was clearly more than that – I still think it was William as Harry seems more angry at him than his father. He is at least wants to have a relationship with his father but not his brother – that tells u all you need to know about what went on behind the scenes.

    Plus this convo with Cams reeks of fan fiction. Wonder if the ‘source’ was Jason? Reads like it.

    • Magick Wanda says:

      Exactly. When I read that Cam said H&M’s children would be “absolutely beautiful” I knew it was total fiction and total crap. She would never say such a kind thing about anything to do with Meghan, I don’t think. I’ve only seen her snarky “of course (with eyeroll)” when asked if she would miss them. If this had not caused so much pain and fear for H&M, it would be funny. But it terrified them and so there is nothing funny about any of it.

    • purplehazeforever says:

      He’s more angry & disappointed at his father, not William. I watched the interview with Oprah, I know what I heard & saw.

  7. Jessica says:

    It was William, but Charles is always a convenient person to throw under the bus since he’s very unpopular. Maybe it was both of them, but my first guess is William.

  8. Beana says:

    I read this story on Page Six, and they go out of their way to paint Kate as kind and welcoming. So my take is that this is KP deliberately leading a press offensive to throw Charles under the bus. They likely were the “source” for this book and have shared extra details with their sympathetic reporters in advance. And my guess is they’re doing all of this because: 1) William really did say racist crap to Harry that he is afraid will now come out so he needs to control the story and point fingers away from him; and 2) William needs red meat to throw at the press to protect his own secrets and he’s turning on his dad to get it done.

    This should get interesting by Christmas.

  9. Lady Digby says:

    I wouldn’t line the birdcage with The Sun which is infamous for whoppers. Trying to spin the misunderstanding line is for the birds! I am with Kaiser on this one: one said it but both thought it. It will be interesting to see how this plays out as both parties try to blame Princess Anne, Mike Tindall and all! Harry does know exactly what was said and by whom so with his autobiography pending that could concentrate the mind. Yes he told Oprah he wouldn’t reveal all but if royal sources keep smearing his wife then maybe all bets are off?!

  10. Amy Bee says:

    “Yeah… at this point, my take on the “racist royal who was concerned about how dark the baby would be” conversation is that several royals were discussing it quite openly among themselves, but perhaps only one royal actually said that sh-t to Harry. ”

    Me too. It’s gone from recollections may vary to it wasn’t me. Charles reaction to this story only confirmed that racist things were said about Archie’s skin colour and I think William and Kate were extremely racist and condescending to Meghan.

    • JT says:

      The fact that Charles is briefing that it wasn’t him and I believe I saw that he was threatening legal action makes me think it wasn’t him. His spokesman said that the claim “was fiction and did not warrant further comment.” Charles have a direct statement and I don’t think he’d do that if he really questioned Archie’s skin color. I think it was William who said it and he’s throwing Charles under the bus. Notice how William has never come out directly and said it wasn’t him.

  11. LaraW” says:

    Eh, I think this is just Andersen trying to promote his book. It’s something guaranteed to grab people’s attention and have the royal houses streisand effect the sh-t out of for the rest of the week. Also seems strategically released before the second part of the BBC2 series.

    ETA Or I guess it could be William trying to do some “damage control” from the vicious dragging he got on twitter for being a racist asswipe.

  12. ABritGuest says:

    This is a family that only stopped inbreeding to preserve bloodline recently. Of course they all likely talked about it- was probably the hot topic in the palace. But the conversation that Harry mentioned shocked him was had with him directly so this one that Anderson is talking about wasn’t it.

    This story has come out as a way to downplay what H&M said to it being about mere curiosity but also to protect the real culprit who the establishment thinks will have a longer reign & has more to lose in terms of his rep 🤐 . I guess nobody was buying Anne being the one. I always thought the royals would out the main person themselves to get ahead of being outed. Let’s see how far it goes before Harry’s memoir drops.

    I think this Anderson person is pro KP. He’s written a book about the Cambridges love story.

  13. Becks1 says:

    They specifically said that it was something brought up to Harry in person and that there were “concerns” about the skin color. So even if this story is true (which it may be, I wouldn’t be surprised if every royal was openly wondering about the children), it still doesn’t fit with Charles being the person Harry discussed in the interview.

    We know it was definitely Charles or William bc if it was neither, Harry would have said so – the same way he clarified to Oprah afterwards that it was not the Queen or Phillip. But harry couldn’t say “it wasn’t the Queen or Phillip and it wasn’t my father,” because then we all would know it was william. (or “it wasn’t William” then we would all know it was Charles.)

    My guess is that William was the first one to bring it up directly to Harry, that was the “thing that was said that cannot be unsaid” and he was also the one pushing for harry’s children to not be HRHs which is where Charles got dragged into the convo. But we know for sure three things about the conversation:

    1) there were “concerns” – it wasn’t just some idle breakfast musings
    2) The conversation was with Harry himself
    3) There was more than one and while the conversations may not have been directly tied to whether archie would be HRH, they seemed related enough for Meghan to mention to them together in the Interview.

    • Amy Bee says:

      @Becks I think there were more than one conversation brought up by different people in the family, namely William and Charles.

      • Becks1 says:

        Right, I said that I wouldn’t be surprised if every royal was openly wondering about it.

        It may be that it was specifically brought up to Harry by more than one person, but we do not know that based on what was said to Oprah. We just know that there were “concerns” and that Harry was shocked by the conversation, and that there was more than one conversation.

    • Mich says:

      Meghan said that the conversations she was referencing happened when she was pregnant with Archie. They weren’t offhand quips about possible future children, they were about Archie specifically. And they happened at the same time conversations were being had about denying him a title and security.

      • Becks1 says:

        Yes, that’s what Meghan said, but I thought Harry said when he come into the interview that one of the conversations was before they were even married. So I wonder if there was a conversation about the skin color with someone (cough william cough) that maybe Harry did not mention to Meghan, because he thought it would hurt her/upset her, and then when the conversations started back up again when she was pregnant he told her?

    • Over it says:

      I also say william because this is why that relationship is space. Harry won’t get mad at William for saying take your time to get to know this girl. Harry knows it took his brother 10 years. No, Harry needs space because william went full on kkk, and for this Harry lost it and probably wanted to deck william. I know I would like to deck him.

      • Bethany says:

        Bingo! Whether siblings are royalty or not this is how it often can be. You described it perfectly.

    • Lizzie Bathory says:

      I agree with your assessments, Becks1. I also wonder if it wasn’t William who pushed for Meghan to keep working after joining the Firm. I had assumed that might have been Charles, but William might have thrown his weight around after failing to thwart the wedding. It has the feeling of the sort of cheap, nasty swipe we’ve seen William pull in other areas (Flybe, etc).

      I know, of course, that Charles was the one to cut off their security once they left. At the time, I thought it was merely punitive, which it was, but I now realize that it was also a last ditch effort to force them back into the fold so as to save them all from William without Harry.

      • MipMip says:

        “I know, of course, that Charles was the one to cut off their security once they left. At the time, I thought it was merely punitive, which it was, but I now realize that it was also a last ditch effort to force them back into the fold so as to save them all from William without Harry.”

        Lizzie- God, that is grim and probably totally accurate, I never thought of it that way. Good call.

    • purplehazeforever says:

      You’re guessing that it’s William & not Charles because of what, exactly? How do you know it wasn’t both of them at the same time to approach Harry? I know this site dislikes William but Charles isn’t father of the year & shouldn’t receive any passes for his past or present behavior.

  14. Lila says:

    I see they’re still trying to push this as if it was only one person who said some racist crap and that it was merely a white person being curious.

  15. TeamAwesome says:

    Prince Say Hello to all the Africans Charles said something clueless and racist? Noooo.

  16. Cathy says:

    I’m going to put this story in the “Meghan made Kate cry” box. If Charles was going to say anything about what the future kids would look like it’s my opinion that he would wonder if they would be red heads? (We have strong red hair genes in my family so everytime a baby is on the way that conversation comes up)

    I’m going to agree with @digitalunicorn as all roads seem to be leading back to Jason?

    And this story is more about showing William that the press can make him or can just as easily break him.

  17. Cathy says:

    Another writer bringing up controversy to whip up the masses so they buy his book…

    Yawn, if only they would stop with the Georgie aka Lady Colin Campbell playbook? Yawn…

  18. Aurora says:

    It was William. Kensington seems to be the most toxic house as far as briefing against other family members. Charles needs to get the Keens in order.

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      Never going to happen – Chuck doesn’t have the balls to stand up to his eldest son, never has and never will. U reap what you sow Charles.

  19. Jessica says:

    Did we ever get a name on which royal referred to Meghan as a “degree wife” (because they thought/hoped the marriage would only last three years)? The POS who said that probably had no problem making racist comments either. Trashy family.

    • L84Tea says:

      I might be wrong but I feel like it was confirmed at some point that it was Sophie who said that. Sweet, isn’t she?

    • Jay says:

      I was today years old when I realized that I misinterpreted the insult of Meghan as a “degree wife” – I had thought it was an odd put down of Meghan as a sort of show off, like how conservatives in the U.S. were mad about calling Dr. Biden by her title. Or I thought it might be a way to belittle Harry for not having a university degree himself, but *just* an intelligent wife.

  20. Matthew says:

    if it’s Kensington Palace selling out Clarence House then why do they sort of try to make Camilla look ok in this story?

    • LaraW” says:

      I don’t think it’s about making Camilla look okay, but making Charles look worse by contrast. It makes it seem as though Charles, and only Charles, was racist in the household.

  21. Jay says:

    Charles: “I am not THE royal racist, I would never claim that mantle myself when there are so many of us. And I like to think I’m polite about my racism! I would NEVER directly say something to my son about his baby’s potential complexion, that would be common, all I did was continuously talk and ask about it BEHIND his back with all and sundry. Like any gentleman would.”

  22. Sofia says:

    I keep saying this but the fact that people can put forth legitimate reasons for why it could be Charles all the way down the Princess Michael and beyond is not a good look for the family. But H&M have said it was multiple conversations so while we could say “it was Charles”, “no it was William”, “Actually it was Camilla” etc etc, it’s most likely it was all of them.

  23. swirlmamad says:

    I absolutely see Charles asking the question, but in the clueless, tactless way old white people usually do. I’m absolutely sure Charles is bigoted as well — he’s firmly entrenched in a lily-white institution that pillaged and took advantage of people of color for generations. So I think he did say something and it probably did happen along these lines, but you just got the sense that at least in the beginning Charles did seem to like Meghan, or at least did a much better job of acting supportive of H&M. William, on the other hand, seemed to have a chip on his shoulder almost from jump street, and while there are plenty of people (a good friend of mine included) who think “Oh, he’s of the younger generation, of course he wouldn’t have said it bc he’s more open-minded” — LMAO. William 100% asked that sh*t too, and said it to Harry’s face AND probably was malicious about it. That man is toxic and you will never convince me otherwise that William was the innocent supportive brother in this. Why would he have been when he’s done nothing but stab Harry in the back and mentally torture Meghan ever since?

    • Harper says:

      William has a vicious sense of humor that we’ve all seen displayed in public—covid victims, Uber delivery drivers. I can just imagine in private his sense of humor has even fewer boundaries and I suspect he let loose on Harry in a casual conversation that revealed his true antipathy. We also know William went to great lengths to intervene to prevent the marriage–from dragging in Charles Spencer, to who knows what with Meghan’s father. I have no doubt that all the royals voiced curiosity, however, Meghan and Harry were basically told their child’s future skin color was of such concern that there were moves to disassociate themselves from the child by way of denying him a title. Whoever said that William probably didn’t want his children to have the same titles as the mixed race child seems on target to me. William lacks achievement and relies on optics for his reputation and is jealous of Harry’s success. He most likely wanted his family distanced from the mixed family and that is why Harry is now done with the Burger King.

    • Jay says:

      But, @swirlmamad, Charles is not just some clueless or tactless old person – he’s the heir to the throne, future head of the commonwealth, head of several global organizations and trusts etc. He also often represents these interests abroad, where being aware of the implications of your words is crucial to carrying out his duties.

      Choosing language carefully is essential to the role he expects to have, and one he has been preparing for for sixty- odd years. So, if he’s somehow unable to grasp the inherent racism in his question about Archie’s “complexion”, then he is not fit for service. End of.

      • swirlmamad says:

        Oh, I absolutely agree that there’s no excuse — as the future head of the commonwealth, which consists of a majority of people of color — he should be well aware of these things and how they can be perceived. I fully believe that he was concerned about what the optics of a visibly ethnic HRH of the BRF would look like — to other white people. Forget the fact that it would have meant SO much to numerous Brits of color and those in the commonwealth. These people don’t think of anything they can’t see beyond the end of their noses, and for all their privilege and wealth, they are not educated. Charles may have TRIED to embrace Harry and Meghan initially, but his jealousy and innate ignorance and bigotry got the better of him. In short, he might have started on the right path but then managed to f*ck it all up, as per usual with him. So I can believe that Charles expressed this thinking in what he might have thought was genuine curiosity at the time (even though that line of thinking is NEVER innocent and if he had half a brain he should have known that he never should have opened his fat mouth at all), but I will always believe that William was acting in bad faith from the start.

  24. S808 says:

    my vote remains that it was all of them but hard boiled egg head is still the idiot who brought it directly to Harry.

    • Betsy says:

      I can totally see that. (When you say “hard boiled egg head” I see the ones with the dark green line of overcooked egg).

  25. KW says:

    I am going with they all discussed it. William said it to Harry. The man has no self awareness. A complete narcissist to the tenth degree. The second time lecturing Africans about population control in four years. Joking about the POC uber eats driver on a podcast. Joking about covid, sleeping with a neighbour his wife was friends with while she was pregnant. Ugh. Dad dancing and taking off to attend weddings alone, yikes. He’s an entitled prick. And he’s so smug. He probably said something about how “when George is king his cousins won’t look like him and that could be bad for the monarchy ….” something stupid. He has no problem throwing others under the bus for his own gain and he will bring down the monarchy due to his own deluded and inflated ego. I hope he is good at picking weed at the inlaws farm.

  26. Margaret says:

    I said it before, and I will say it again, there is no low to which silly willy will go. He wants the throne, and can’t wait his turn. The leaking and backstabbing of Charles, and Camilla has started. Don’t leave out Sophie and Edward’s assisstance.
    Charles conspired with willy to get rid of the Sussexes, now his turn has come, who couldn’t see this coming, oh and don’t forget the Middlebots. This could could get really ugly.

  27. Sean says:

    Someone above mentioned Game of Thrones and Joffrey.

    I was watching an episode recently and I wondered what Tywinn Lannister would make of all this. Personally, I think he’d see the royal family as fools for what they’ve done and he’d admonish them because he’d see what a power couple the H&M make.

    “The Markle girl is a fine match for Harry. She’s popular with celebrities, politicians and the common people alike. I trust you’ve seen how the Americans adore celebrities. She and Harry will make ideal envoys to the Americas and will allow this family to have significant influence on both sides of the Atlantic. His marriage to her will help to ensure the Windors stay in the good graces of the public for decades to come. William and Kate are to cease these attacks, do their duty and make peace with Harry and the Markle girl at once.”

    If William tried to rage at him, Tywinn would send him to bed with some Essence of Nightshade.

    I’ll see myself out.

  28. Miranda says:

    The whole idea of ANYONE asking “innocent”, totally-not-racist questions about what Meghan and Harry’s children might look like is complete bullshit. A non-racist would never say or even think anything but “how wonderful for them, the baby will be beautiful!” I grew up in a very diverse family (counting myself and just my most immediate family, there’s Puerto Rican, Jewish, Japanese, Korean, and Black heritage), and NONE OF US have ever even mentioned the prospective skin color of any of the children. Because it’s irrelevant. We only care that the kids are healthy (and as an unimportant side note, have been consistently gorgeous!) and that everybody contributes to our family’s culinary repertoire.

    • Betsy says:

      I have never speculated on how a child would look in regards to racist features, but when this news came out, there were lots and lots of posters on this site who had bi- or multi-racial children and they said they got tons of questions like that, that when it was born of curiosity and not malice, they didn’t care.

      For what it’s worth, lots of people who have children who are not born healthy take serious offense to the idea that “born healthy” is the end goal. Even “unhealthy” children are worthy.

      • Demi says:

        Betsy in my culture (Middle Eastern) it’s common for people to wish for children to be born healthy it usually just means that they wish for pregnancy to be carried to term and that labour goes smoothly

  29. Case says:

    I think Charles was the one to actually say it to Harry. I’m certain William and the others talked about it privately, but Charles strikes me as the only one who’d actually say it to his face.

  30. SISYPHUS says:

    Meghan has made it pretty clear she doesn’t identify as Black. She identifies as mixed race. I am mixed, I don’t identify as either because it erases one side of my family. The persistent erasure of mixed race identifying people is maddening.

    • MerlinsMom1018 says:

      Two of my grandchildren are mixed race. I have and will continue to verbally slaughter anyone who is foolish enough to ask why two look different from the others. I have ZERO patience for that nonsense.
      Interesting to note that when they are referred to as “the other race” they always reply with “no. I am___________. That’s who I am.”
      You are correct in the “persistent erasure of mixed race identifying people is maddening”
      if anyone really wants to go there, I believe (just the gospel according to MerlinsMom) there are far more mixed race folks out there than can be counted

    • Green Desert says:

      @Sisyphus, I didn’t know that Meghan had made that clear? I too am mixed and get what you’re saying. I’m black/white. I’m clearly mixed but when people look at me they don’t see “white” first, so I go back and forth identifying as mixed, black, biracial, a person of color, a woman of color. I agree that erasure of mixed/biracial/multiracial people can be frustrating. But I have just never noticed that Meghan is frustrated by that erasure and prefers to be identified as mixed? If you have interviews or something you can point to, I would love to know.

    • swirlmamad says:

      When they were on the South African tour right before everything hit the fan, remember when she spoke to the group of young African women and said something along the lines of how she stood with them as a Black woman? I don’t think Meghan has ever said she does not see herself as black — she acknowledges both sides of who she is, sure, but if she didn’t realize before, I think she’s learned throughout this terrible ordeal that society absolutely sees her as a Black woman.

    • Emmitt says:

      Meghan identifies as biracial AND black.

  31. Over it says:

    Everything Kaiser said I believe to be facts. They are all racist but it’s the total arrogance of Kevin and Karen keen to think they could bring their racist shit to Harry about the woman he loves.

  32. Jessica says:

    I’ve said from the beginning, it was William, not Charles- it’s clear from how Harry describes his relationship to each (working on it vs space). This article is William trying to divert the hounds, maybe to make up for his comments last week about Africa’s population?

  33. Kit says:

    Ahhhhh l don’t think it was Charles either, Charles for all his faults is quiet progressive and even at de Commonwealth ceremony Megan was very warm towards him, I think it was William too, l wonder will Megan and Harry issue a denial.??

  34. Annie says:

    I know everyone thought it was Prince Phillip but he looked so happy to meet Archie in those official photos. His smile was so big. Charles never looked like that. Nor William. Phillip knew he didn’t have that much time left on this earth. He wasn’t going to let anything stop him from enjoying one last greatgrandchild. Maybe I’m naive but I did buy his joy. This BS is all Charles and William. It’s devastating that William has decided to bully his brother and Megan the way his mother was bullied. She’d be devastated by seeing him turn into his father. The sad part about all of this is that if Diana hadn’t died at some point William would’ve turned on her too.

    • Just Me says:

      Annie says: The sad part about all of this is that if Diana hadn’t died at some point William would’ve turned on her too.
      Very insightful comment and I totally agree it would have happened.

    • ArtHistorian says:

      William refused to publicly acknowledge Archie as his nephew when asked about it. He said he already was an uncle (meaning his SIL’s child). He wouldn’t acknowledge his relationship to his nephew by blood! There’s rumours that William is very right wing and I have come across statements of people claiming to know people he worked with saying that he was very openly racist in private settings. It is, of course, second-hand hearsay – but the fact that he wouldn’t acknowledge that he is Archie’s uncle (and privileged him being the uncle to his SIL’s child) says something significant. People took it to be about William being angry with Harry – but this response could also be about William being so racist that he simply won’t acknowledge that he is blood-related to a child with a partially black heritage.

    • Marcel says:

      ITA The comments William made about Diana and the BBC interview featured him weaponising mental health to make the BRF/ institution look good at the expense of his mother. He could have extended a lot more compassion to her. While still expressing his discomfort with the media’s obsession towards her.
      I also think that this BS is on Charles and William. Andrew too but he’s currently being politely tolerated so he has less power.
      It says everything you need to know about this institution
      A) there’s multiple people you can imagine making this comment. Because none of them took concrete steps to publicly shed Meghan, Archie & Lilibet from racism.
      B) Andrew still has access to royal accomodation and is being protected from law enforcement by his immensely wealthy family.

      I’m so glad Harry & Meghan decided to leave. When you’re dealing with that much toxicity walking away is the healthiest choice.

  35. aquarius64 says:

    Bully am said he thought the comment was tactless but they are not a racist family. Billy basically out Chuck. You backed the wrong son Charlie.

  36. lelbit says:

    SO WHAT!!!!!!!

  37. diana says:

    It’s either Charles or William that made the comment. However I’m not a fan of Christopher Andersen as a biographer. The guy basically cuts and paste info for all his books and tries to pass it off as new info. Your not gonna get any new info about this. I wish someone like Ronan Farrow would do a big investigative piece about this topic. And while I’m not a fan of Charles I think it’s easier for him to get thrown under the bus. Since he has major PR issues dating back to Diana. And a lot of people want to see William as the second coming since he’s Diana’s son.

  38. Bunny says:

    Willileaks needs to watch his back. Charles holds all the cards and can deny William the throne.

    Upon coronation, Charles could say that it was his mother’s most fervent wish that Charles be the last monarch, and that he spend his reign dismantling the monarchy.

    If William continues his idiocy, I hope Charles does it.

  39. MelOn says:

    I don’t think it was Charles. I think it was William and right now he’s trying to deflect suspicion and throw his Dad under the bus. Harry is annoyed with Dad, but he’s FURIOUS with his brother. I’m going with William.

  40. Catherine says:

    Andersen was just on the Today show. He is actually defending Charles. Saying the comments were benign and then twisted by courtiers and that Harry heard about it secondhand. Let’s be clear Meghan said several conversations/comments were made to Harry by several family members. Also he told a bold face lie. Claiming that on Harry first day of school the teacher shook William’s hand first and that was the beginning of Harry feeling second best. There is VIDEO of this moment. The teacher shakes Harry’s hand and even as a toddler William is incandescent and tries to step in front of Harry. This author also has endorsed the Harry is Hewitt’s son narrative. I think this book is in the Robert Lacey category. That Lacey book was supposed to be William’s defense but was so tone deaf that it just exposed him. I think Andersen is an American royalist. So he sees the toxicity but is willing to defend it. He defends the Queen’s supposed pettiness over a Christmas photograph as an example of her commitment to the monarchy.

    • Diana says:

      As I said below. Andersen is a bad writer who takes things from prior articles and books and tries to pass it off as his. And who also engages in fan fiction.

    • Tessa says:

      The part about Hewitt has made me avoid his books. Andersen needs to just look at pictures of Harry and CHarles and Philip and see the resemblance. Re: Harry’s first day of school, there is also a photo of Harry reaching out his hand to the teacher and Diana noticing this, while the teacher shakes hands with William.

  41. Galisteo says:

    I read a book this author wrote on Camilla a few years back, wish I could remember the title. At the time, I thought this author had some very good inside contacts either with Camilla or her camp. It was juicy, with very detailed gossip that rang true I hadn’t read elswhere. And if the conversation where Charles wonders the color of skin occurred while talking with Camilla, then, my earlier assumptions make sense. I think he knows some people.

    • Tessa says:

      Although Andersen is an interesting writer, he does create dialogs between people. He created “pillow talk” between Charles and Camilla and what they “said” about certain things. I don’t think he has inside info from Camilla. I think it is William not Charles or Camilla who said this. I also don’t like the way Andersen has dealt with Harry in his books.

  42. annie says:

    William and Charles are both racists. Harry is willing to talk to his father which means that Charles is not the one who asked him about the skin of his children directly. Harry refuses to speak about and to his brother. That should tell you everything. Unlike William, Harry cared for his brother. The betrayal, anger, hurt and pain he feels must be overwhelming. This is why he can only say space when referring to his POS brother. I hope his upbringing will help him realize that Charles and William were raised to believe that they are special and better than anyone regardless of who it is. I hope he understands that his father is a self centered narcissist who only cares about himself. He may care for Harry but he is incapable of loving anyone but himself. He cares for his wife, his obsession with making her Queen Consort has nothing to do with her , it’s all about him. William is worse, because he is a narcissist spoiled brat with anger issues who only sees people as servants to him. Even his wife and kids. Give it a few years and he will gladly throw his children under the bus to distract from when one of his affairs becomes public. Mark my word! The British media is finally realizing that the world sees them as the racists who with the help of the Royal Family bullied Meghan and Harry away from the UK. Starting next year or 2023, we will be seeing a war between Charles and William. William started it with the Charles is racist. Can’t wait for Charles fight back. These idiots and their equally idiotic staffs will keep fucking up. Meghan and Harry will be chilling and doing their thing. Happy Barbados Independent Day !! Canada will get there soon i know it #AbolishTheMornachy

    • Tessa says:

      Unfortunately, I think William shows some of the bad traits of Charles re: parenting. He already treats his young son George more “special” than the others. He thinks of “dynasty” a lot like Charles. does. If Charles put being a father with genuine love for his sons ahead of DYNASTY, he would not have allowed William to try to boss Harry around and work against him.

  43. susan says:

    My guess is that every one of them said something along those lines at some point or another.

  44. A says:

    In all honestly the more I think about it, the more I love the idea of Harry holding this over the entire family’s head. Not necessarily for revenge, but as a way of getting them to modifiy there standard unpleasant behavior. It’s like the carrot is no one gets called out indvidually, and the stick is everytime one of you idiot’s does something racist/sexist/classist/ or all of the above you get called on it (I’m looking at you baldingham) and shamed by media that would usually just give you a pass, because you let them tour a palace and/or gave them dirt on another family member. In the last couple of months we’ve had at least two of the palaces admit they need to at least prentend to care about hiring people who are not rich white males, and William hasn’t been able to blindly get away with either his african women need to stop populating, and racism in football can be solved by tweet crap, without some push back! I’ll actually be sad if this “reveal” ends this newish period of accountability!

  45. Lulu says:

    This is all so sad and was totally unnecessary. All this grief, upheaval and hurt caused for something that’s not even real. Race is a social construct. Some diversity in the extended family would have helped them tremendously for the next few decades. Racists and neo-nazis are on the losing side of history. That’s a fact. Such a self destructive institution the royal family is- a perfect reflection of British politics and decision making today. I honestly can’t wait for all of them to get their comeuppance. I hope it comes in my lifetime.

  46. Tessa says:

    I read some of Andersen’s books. He is offputting since he creates dialog between two people (in one book he had a recreation of Kate’s reaction to Diana’s funeral complete with Middleton family dialog). He also has not been kind to Harry in many ways in his books.

  47. blunt talker says:

    If you allow the courtiers and pr teams to be your mouth pieces-stories will come out differently than original intent-however they are cowards to snipe behind Harry and Meghan’s backs instead of during a family discussion about the concerns they had about future children-that being said if the royal family felt it was problem having a child whose skin maybe darker than their own sounds very racist indeed-what’s wrong with brown and black skin-you are showing racism by thinking out loud this is an issue in the 21st century-the pr speakers for the royal family embellished the story to Harry and Meghan to not only hurt them but to insult about having darker skin-I take solice in something Harry said at his engagement -they don’t really know me as well as they think they do-Harry has thoughts about what is the right thing to and what is the wrong thing to do-at least he knows how to apologize when he makes an error-the royal family can’t apologize for shit because white royal people are always right everybody else is wrong-disfunction at the highest. God bless and keep the Sussex family safe and in your hands.

  48. PrincessK says:

    It was probably all of them.