King Charles will decide on Archie & Lilibet’s titles ‘further down the line’

Ellie Hall at Buzzfeed had a somewhat exhaustive look at the issue of royal titles for the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s two children, Archie and Lilibet. Currently, the kids are not referred to, in the public sphere, with any royal title. They appear in the line of succession with the surname Mountbatten-Windsor, even though they automatically became prince and princess the moment QEII passed away. The institution of the monarchy simply refuses to acknowledge that though – it’s not King Charles III “giving” Archie and Lilibet titles, it would need to be Charles taking them away. Despite the royal commentators trying to pretend that Meghan and Harry spent the mourning period “arguing” with Charles about the titles, I believe they’re sitting back and waiting to see what Charles does now. Harry and Meghan already said their piece to Oprah, that they were told that their children wouldn’t get royal titles, that the Letters Patent would be changed to remove the titles from their kids, the first mixed-race royal children in the line of succession. Ellie Hall tried to parse what’s happening now:

We’re more than two weeks into the reign of King Charles III and there’s still no answer to one seemingly simple question: will his grandchildren, Archie Harrison and Lilibet Diana Mountbatten-Windsor, become a prince and princess, to be addressed as “their royal highnesses,” or won’t they?

Buckingham Palace has said multiple times that it won’t be addressing that question until after the official mourning period for Queen Elizabeth II ends on Sept. 26 — although in press briefings, the royal spokespersons have given some eyebrow-raising quotes when asked about when the decision about titles will be made, in one instance replying “the future is an amazing thing,” as reported by the Daily Mail.

In a speech delivered on Sept. 9 just shy of 24 hours after the announcement of the Queen’s death, the new King gave his other son and daughter-in-law, the royals best known as Prince William and Kate Middleton, the titles of Prince and Princess of Wales. Within hours of the King’s speech, the page on the royal family’s official website listing the line of succession was updated with the new Wales titles for William, George, Charlotte, and Louis. (The children were previously Princes and Princess of Cambridge; they’re now Princes and Princess of Wales.) But Archie and Lilibet were — and, as of press time, remain — “Mountbatten-Windsors.” If Buckingham Palace is to be believed, those quick website updates for William and his kids were a fluke, a one-off.

When asked about why Archie and Lilibet’s titles hadn’t been updated on the royal family’s official website during press briefings, the King’s spokespersons somewhat evasively replied that they were waiting for further information from an unspecified party. “We will be updating the website as and when we get information,” one spokesperson said, as reported by the Sunday Times. The Press Association even titled its Sept. 10 story “Palace waits for information on Archie and Lili’s titles before website change,” as if it is a decision to be made by an outside force.

Without question, the best official response to a media query about the Sussex children’s titles and the royal family’s official website was made by a spokesperson who referenced King Charles III’s inaugural speech, in which the King said, “I want also to express my love for Harry and Meghan as they continue to build their lives overseas.”

“While the website was updated for the Waleses, clearly updating love on a website doesn’t quite work so we’ve not quite done that but clearly he does love [the Sussex children],” the spokesperson said, as reported by Hello! Magazine on Sept. 10.

Another spokesperson for the King confirmed the accuracy of the quotes above via email and said that “the focus now is on mourning the Queen, and [the issue of Archie and Lilibet’s titles] is something for further down the line.” The spokesperson declined to provide further specifics on how long that line might be.

[From Buzzfeed]

To be clear, this is entirely Charles’s mess and he’s the only one who can clean it up. Like everyone else in that ghastly family, he painted himself into a corner and he’s screwed either way. If he goes ahead with his original plan of changing the Letters Patent and taking away Archie and Lilibet’s titles, then he’ll look racist, punitive and evil. If he does nothing and allows Archie and Lilibet to retain their titles under the Letters Patent, then congrats, all of his grandchildren are princes and princesses and he’ll have to treat them accordingly (which he also doesn’t want).

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  1. HeatherC says:

    “If Harry’s book is nice to me, I won’t take his kids titles away.” is what Charles is really saying.

    If the book is in anyway critical of Charles (and in his view critical could be pointing out that one day he had food in his teeth) he will figure out a way to release a statement saying the Sussex kids won’t be GIVEN a title, instead of the truth that the titles are being taken away because their grandfather is an over sensitive man baby ahole.

    • usavgjoe says:

      We ain’t forgot Charles what the Sussexes said you planned to do, to Oprah. May Charles socalled Kingship go down in flames.

      • Edna X Mode says:

        The fact is that the Queen and Prince Charles refused -from the day Archie was born- to follow the modern precedent that was already in place in 2000s for the queen’s son Prince Edward. Prince Edward married and had his 2 kids @bout 20 years after Charles Anne and Andrew. the writing was on the wall by 2000

        Prince Harry is not thei heir to throne and thus while son of a king/queen, should be just like Prince Edward/kids as follows:
        Archie and Lilly Should from the day they were born, be Lord Archie and Lady Lilibet as children of a Royal Duke (eg harry) and his lawful wife Duchess Meghan.

        The royal house decided back in 2000 for Edwards *kids that tho they won’t be “addressed as HRH or Prince Princess (and said if kids wanted to at 18 they could “step up” BUT that was all smoke and mirrors cuz now Louise has turned 18 and no one in the royal house is gonna let her start *using the HRH or Princess…

        the fact is the precedent for Harry’s Children *should have been Lord and Lady since the day they were born (and follows the European royal families “slimming down” of the HRH/prince )

        I hate that thuse turds *knowingly refused Archie the “lord” title cuz we all know enough about these turds to realize they love using the “master” title *which is not correct they do not call Prince Edwards son “master” they call him “James, Viscount Severn”. Archie should be Archie, Earl of Dumbarton.

    • Sue E Generis says:

      I don’t think Charles loves Harry at all. And he certainly doesn’t give a @#$% about Harry’s children. He is waiting for the publication of Harry’s book so he can use it as an excuse to do what he has always intended, which is to take the titles away.

      • goofpuff says:

        Charles loves no one but himself.

      • RoyalBlue says:

        “whatever love means”. Charles doesn’t know what love is, period.

      • SussexFan says:

        He wanted Harry to be a girl. It started from there. Diana indicated that he was disappointed that Harry was another boy. And then he was witness to his mom’s pain, culminating in the funeral. Those boys should not have been there behind her coffin.

      • Concern Fae says:

        It’s a particular flavor of dysfunctional family. He desperately loves the Harry who lives in his mind, the young child grown into the early dreams Charles had for him. But no one grows up to be exactly what their parents had in mind. Some parents can’t handle that. So they just don’t “understand” what is happening, why you are like this.

        It’s a horrible dynamic. A parent constantly telling you they love you and want to help you, but they don’t understand what you are saying to them. It’s a really nasty little way of being controlling. Especially hard on the child, who ends up having to defend why they have turned their back on someone who “loves” them so much. Yeah, I recognize this.

    • MeganC says:

      If Charles fragile ego is hurt by Harry’s book we might also see the so-called bullying report that allegedly will never see the light of day.

    • Susan says:

      @HeatherC, you nailed it. The titles are being held over Harry’s head until he edits/changes/releases the book/stops talking about his family. Classic manipulation tactic.

  2. Maida says:

    There is just not enough eyeroll. Charles is a few weeks in and already power tripping.

    • Colby says:

      I wonder if it’s more that he’s checking to see which way the wind blows before he makes a decision. Does the British public want them titled? Do they not? There’s no reason for him to sit on this decision other than that IMO.

      I think he’s desperate to be beloved and will do whatever he thinks will get him there.

      • Jay says:

        Charles is definitely watching public opinion, but he seems to want to please both sides – there’s a reason Harry got to where his uniform to his grandmother’s vigil, but he wasn’t able to wear it to the funeral and wasn’t allowed the ER insignia. So basically a decision that nobody was happy with.

        I wouldn’t be surprised if he tries something similar here, like keeping them as prince and princess but only when in the U.K., or taking away some other part of the style.

  3. girl_ninja says:

    He’s waiting for Harry’s book to be released to see if he gets destroyed in it (he won’t) before making a decision. What a wanker. That photo of the woman kissing Charles’s hand is creepy.

  4. Rapunzel says:

    Translation: Charles is waiting till the heat is off to act the racist fool by stripping Archie and Lili of their title.

    • Seraphina says:

      I wonder if it dawns on them that the heat will not dissipate by waiting and doing nothing. It will only get worse. Actions speak louder than words and so does doing nothing.

    • Ace says:

      This is exactly what I think is happening. He’s going to try and pass new LP while something else is going on to try to hide it. I don’t think H&M are engaging in whatever blackmail the BRF is doing, but since Meghan is lkely going to do press for Archetypes I wonder if she will be asked about it and what she will say if so.

    • lucy2 says:

      Exactly. He and the rest of his cronies didn’t come off well with all the Harry issues during Elizabeth’s funeral, and he got booed in a few places, he’s waiting until he can do this more quietly.

    • Liz Version 700k says:

      He looks smaller, more racist and petty by the day

  5. usavgjoe says:

    H&M aren’t even thinking about Charles on this… he showed his arse at the QE2’S mourning events and funeral in his treatment of them… they called him out on Oprah’s interview with them that Charles had plans not to give his grandchildren the Titles and that he was going to change the patents.

  6. Becks1 says:

    I’ve been getting into so many fights with people on twitter about this over the past few days.

    The issue isn’t whether they have HRH Prince/ss. They do, unless there has been a secret LP issued. The issue is whether Charles is going to actually issue a new LP and change the rules for Archie and Lili.

    People are insisting that they don’t have HRH but have Prince and Princess, or that HRH is up to charles, etc. And yes in some ways it is up to Charles and he can change the rules so they don’t have HRH, but he hasn’t done so yet.

    I think he’s going to and that’s why the palace is being so “we’ll discuss it later,” they hope people just forget about it and forget what Meghan said to Oprah.

    • Jais says:

      Just wrote the same below @becks1. Whew this gets me heated. They literally are HRH prince or princess right now unless a secret LP was issued. Which is possible?

    • Tan says:

      Twitter racists just want Meghan gone and Harry brought to heel. The truth is the last thing on their minds

  7. Amy Bee says:

    The press and the Palace owe Meghan an apology. They said she was lying on the Oprah interview about the titles. The fact that the Palace did not change Archie and Lili’s names on the website but did the Cambridges means that Charles intends to issue LP to strip Harry and Meghan’s children of their titles.

    • Christine says:

      He can wait until after his coronation, King Charles III will still be stripping titles from babies, and his son and daughter-in-law will still have prophesied it…to Oprah, which everyone on that island still screeches about “lies, Lies, LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!”

      Prophesized?

  8. A says:

    All he’s got to do to get this right is nothing, literally nothing, and that’s too hard for him.

    • molly says:

      There’s a VERY good chance that H&M don’t even want their American kids to use these titles in the first place!

      Charles can update the dumb site, H&M will release a statement that says “while officially HRHs, Archie and Lili will continue to be styled as Mountbatten-Windsors while in America”, and everyone gets what they want.

      JFC, Charles has the absolute worst instincts about stuff like this.

  9. Seraphina says:

    That pic of the woman kissing his hand is nauseating – my stomach turned over. WTF.
    There was an article today somewhere stating that the Sussexes’ kids’ titles will be his first test and his failing miserably. I am loving it because not only is his racist self being shown but he will continue to lose more of “The Empire”. Go get ’em Chuck. Your mummy is smiling at you from where ever she may be.

  10. mycatlovestv says:

    Just when I think the RF couldn’t be more awful, I come here and discover they can dig themselves further beneath the rock. God, they are worse than the worst spoiled children.

  11. Jais says:

    They are hrh prince and princess right now unless Charles has secretly already written new letters patent. There is no reason that the press should not refer to them as prince or princess in this moment bc that’s what they are. As to why the website list isn’t updated…the website list does not reflect the reality that they became hrh prince and princess the moment Charles became king. This is the reality until Charles chooses to strip it away. This idea that we are waiting to see down the line whether he will give them with titles is a lie. They already have them so he can’t he can’t give them. The royal reporters know this. Honestly, I don’t even love Ellie Hall’s question at the top about will they become prince or princess. They are right now until Charles strips it away by writing new letters. Unless he’s written secret letters already that will be revealed after the mourning period.

    • BothSidesNow says:

      @ Jais, that is the truth!! They became HRH Prince and HRH Princess the moment he became king!! No amount of what he posted changes the rules of the LP. I agree that KC3 is extremely stunted in all things regarding family matters.

      KC3 is only using this as a stick to create confusion when there isn’t any, and also punishment for his grandchildren as well.

  12. equality says:

    Also not updated: Edward. “Clearly he does love them”? How is that clear?

  13. MaryContrary says:

    How is it that these people, with all of their money and soft power, can be so incredibly bad at PR??!? It is mind boggling. Of course he should say they have titles. It makes him look so petty and weak and vindictive to be holding off.

  14. Blue Nails Betty says:

    Good grief, that pic of the woman kissing Charles’ hand…get some pride, lady.

  15. Eurydice says:

    Whichever way Charles decides, I don’t think it will make a difference to the Sussexes. The easiest thing is to leave things as they are – non-working royals aren’t entitled to anything anyway, and I can imagine that William would want his grandchildren to be automatically prince/princess without any extra work on his part (if the monarchy survives). Changing things only puts unwelcome PR on Charles and validates what Meghan said.

    • Isabella says:

      I also think that passive-aggressive is Charles’ style. He makes decisions by doing nothing. Look at Edward and the Duke title he hoped to get.

  16. Same says:

    I swear someone writes a story about this once or twice a week and nothing has changed.

  17. Over it says:

    Archie and lili are being punished because Harry choose their mother and them over Chucky and his racist institution. This tampon king will never change. Harry, Meghan and especially Archie and lili deserve so much better in a grandfather.

  18. Talie says:

    Any change to their titles will have to note that Harry & Meghan agreed to the arrangement to keep the peace. If there is no mention of that in any official statement, then speculation will run wild. He needs to their buy in. If it’s a unilateral decision, it won’t go down well and it will look like he views his grandchildren differently.

    • BeanieBean says:

      That’s not how it works with monarchs. They don’t have to ask anyone’s permission. That’s how Charles got himself into this pickle. He’s not having discussions with H&M about anything, he’s doing what HE wants.

  19. aquarius64 says:

    Chuck is running out the clock to avoid this. Royal mourning ends today and the palace narrative is that it’s the Sussexes’ fault if the children don’t have titles. He is screwing over his brother with the Duke of Edinburgh title so it looks like the decision is not racist. The problem is the Wessexes are classified as “working royals” and he is going against his parents’ wishes. No wonder Sophie resents Meghan, Sophie blames her for not being a duchess now.

    • BothSidesNow says:

      Sophie’s anger is misplaced. If she is angry she should be angry with Charles, not Meghan. Meghan has done nothing to Sophiesta, it’s simply that Meghan is an easy target for her to use.

    • equality says:

      Or maybe PC is going to restructure to less royal patronages and fire E&S? If he’s going to streamline he’s going to have to dump some patronages and busywork like ribbon-cutting. People speculate about him getting PA out of RL. He may have his eye on evicting E&S from Bagshot. Both are large residences with a big cost to maintain and could be bringing in big money.

      • Elizabeth says:

        Edward and Sophie could easily move into one of the smaller apartments at Kensington Palace. I know that the Duke and Duchess of Gloucester were willing to move out so that Harry & Meghan could have a bigger place than Nottingham Cottage.

      • Becks1 says:

        They won’t move right now, dont’ forget James is only….14? I think? But there might be a deal struck to get them out of Bagshot when he turns 18 or something.

      • molly says:

        The queen had 500+ patronages in her lifetime and Philip had 800+. The patronages aren’t the problem. Showing up for the ribbon cutting and handshaking is about the only thing the royal family does right! People looooove seeing Anne’s numbers at the end of the year.

        “Slimmed down” needed to be done when the Gloucesters, both Kents, Alexandrea, etc. were all over the place and living in KP. The part that needs to be “slimmed down” NOW is royal couples with four homes and little public visibility. If Beatrice became the new Anne, going to unglamorous charities five days a week, she could be highly respected.

  20. RoyalBlue says:

    Charles is negotiating behind the scenes for a quid pro quo. Harry, drop the book, or I will change the Letters Patent. I really hope Harry doesn’t fold.

    • BeanieBean says:

      He won’t. And in any case, pretty sure it’s out of his hands. Contracts have been signed, schedules met, etc. That book is coming out when it was scheduled to come out.

    • 809Matriarch says:

      Harry will not fold on this. He can’t. If he yields King UP-Chuck will use those children to blackmail Harry forever. Also, even if Charles doesn’t strip those titles. Do you think William won’t? I’ll bet the first thing William does when he becomes king is issue letters patent to remove those titles. Thing is Harry & Meghan have to make the Windsors do it with their whole chests so they cannot try to claim it was a decision made by the Sussexes.

      • aftershocks says:

        @809Matriarch, are you speaking from expert knowledge of how these convoluted and archaic inheriting of royal titles works in the British monarchy? I doubt it. I also freely admit that I don’t possess expert knowledge either. What I do understand is that based on the George V Letters Patent written into law, Harry’s offspring already have the styles and titles that automatically come with being the legitimate grandchildren of a British monarch. Unlike with James and Louise, M&H did NOT enter into any special agreements regarding their children’s future titles with either Betty (when she was alive) or the former Prince Charles. The fact that Betty left things as is w/o changing the LP against Archie & Lili, is also glaringly obvious.

        When Will becomes king, I would hazard to say he could not reach back retroactively to snatch away his niece’s & nephew’s styles/titles (if Charles leaves things as they stand). FWIW, anything Charles does at this point will be retroactive too, and would inevitably affect Will’s future grandchildren. This is likely why legislation was put forward by a racist government official to give the monarch the right to arbitrarily strip individual titles. As of now, taking away titles from adults has to go through Parliament, AFAIK.

        Even Chuck realizes that without a mutual agreement between himself and the Sussexes regarding their own children’s styles/titles, he would have to specifically fiddle with legislation that would affect Will’s lineage too, unless Archie & Lili are exclusively singled out for disrespect in order to ‘punish’ their parents. 😵‍💫 🤮 We already know that’s what this is all about in the first place. But the ball is in Chucky Tampon’s court to make this ‘bad racist look’ by the royal firm exposed as even worse and even messier. I can’t see M&H giving Chuck any reprieve, any acquiescence, or any leeway whatsoever to make this land softly or be swept under the rug.

  21. Well Wisher says:

    This became a bargaining chip, it seem clear that a plan was hatched in place on the event of the Queen’s death.

    They never ever intended to listen to Harry, he best intentions were always taken for granted.
    They rarely actively listened to him, so they were totally unaware of what is truly important to him until the interview.

    The Oprah interview provided a small inkling of their concerns in terms of with emphasis on security and less so on heritage.
    Harry’s concept of family and his ongoing success, shut their plans down so the original leaks deftly orchestrated by Kate were clear on this point.

    The comments away from the fish bowl indicated a small shift, with a threat to do something, as it stands all is required is an update, just look back at the time and subsequent update of Miss Lilibet Diana’s, the denial of her baptism within the palace system.

    This is on par.

    The only other item, when did the new king had time to argue about titles? It seemed that Harry was rudely ignored under the guise of “unity” in the daily hate’s online papers.

    Would it have been any different if Master Archie Mountbatten-Windsor had one of his grandfather’s name instead of Harrison?

    Whatever happened to a promise kept?

    • ROAA says:

      I find it Interesting that Harry named his daughter after his grandmother and his mother, but he did not name his son after anyone in that family, including his racist grandfather, Philip, Is it because Archie will inherit the Duchy of Sussex in the future, so they chose for him a unique name? while Lili won’t inherit anything ( Even the title “princess”, because obviously Charles the ‘loving’ grandfather will strip her of her title) That’s why they named her after Betty so she will always be associated with the monarchy.

  22. JCallas says:

    I believe Meghan. I don’t think Charles ever wanted his mixed race children to have titles. He’s just looking for an excuse to strip them so he won’t look racist.

    • aftershocks says:

      ^^ Huh? 🤨 There aren’t any excuses under the sun, the moon or the stars that will make any of this look any less ‘racist’ than we can already see it to be. It can only get worse and messier by this point. If M&H don’t give Chucky an out — and why should they!? We all know that Chucks is desperate to try and ‘punish’ and demean M&H and their children via all of his actions and inactions to date! What else is new(s)? 🙄

  23. Blithe says:

    I’ve been confused and troubled by comments that Archie and Lili don’t need or don’t want titles and honorifics because “they’re American”. Please correct me, but I’ve assumed that the kids either have or are eligible for dual citizenship, at least until they’re adults. To dictate their citizenship, their birthrights, and their needs and wishes based on where they happen to live as toddlers, seems premature, at best. I also haven’t read any similar suggestions for the children of other children in the BRF who temporarily (as far as we know) reside outside of the UK.

    I’m also confused by the whole “working royals” mess. Is this a defined category? Did it exist as a category following William and Kate’s marriage? To me, it feels like much of these “rules” and “protocol “ are being invented on the fly to punish the biracial Sussex family. Wouldn’t it be simpler if Charles, or the RR, or whoever is inventing these not-quite-edicts just owned them?

    I’m genuinely trying not to derail here, but these petulant punishments strongly suggest that many people are incapable of looking ahead — in case a Plan B might be required before George comes of age (and possibly a Plan C, and a few more beyond that). There are so many excellent reasons to support maintaining cordial relationships with the Sussexes, at the very least, for the next decade or so.

    • Concern Fae says:

      My understanding is that the term “working royals” came about when it became clear that having every HRH get money from the sovereign grant wasn’t going to work anymore. The WR would get money, the rest wouldn’t. It’s not a bad set up, it’s just that it is run by Charles. He’s frugal, but the ridiculous sort that isn’t willing to look at what things actually cost and make hard choices about what makes sense financially. He also seems to think that everyone else should defer to his judgment, even though he’s not being at all realistic. Charles may want to cut Edward and Sophie off, but they are almost at retirement age. To expect them to just go and make their way at this point is foolish and cruel. It’s one thing to change the rules for children, but not for the older generation.

      • Blithe says:

        I quite agree with you about Edward and Sophie. I also hope that
        Queen Elizabeth’s cousins — who were working royals for decades — are appropriately provided for in retirement. If the crucial issue is getting money from the sovereign grant, then it would probably make sense to treat being a “working royal” as a more defined job, separate from identity and titles, and issues related to security. This seems like a really convoluted mess — especially since some of the officially “working royals” seem to work less than some of the non- working royals.

        What’s bizarre to me is that if Charles is King due to some divine right, then it would follow that Harry, Archie, and Lili were also placed in the line of succession by divine right — regardless of what Charles decides their titles should be.

  24. Gubbinal says:

    I am no longer a royalist for many reasons, but if there must be a royal family, they are too tacky. To announce new titles and ransack Gan Gan’s jewelry before the mourning period ends is trashy.

  25. eb says:

    His selfishness will lose him half of his realm. If ostracizing Harry and Meghan hastened the cracks with the monarchy for these countries, depriving Archie and Lilibet, othering them, will finish it. All for having African ancestry. He will have no one to blame, but himself. It will not just be the black and brown countries either. Canada and Australia, and the UK are watching too. Multiculturalism matters. He wants a multifaith coronation. That will not cancel out this racism we are seeing. HRH or nothing.

    • SarahCS says:

      I hope it costs him everything. Partly because he’s a terrible person (along with most of his family and all the hangers on) and partly because in 2022 we do not need to be paying for a monarchy.

    • Well Wisher says:

      He does not own realms, they are under the tutelage of the UK government of the day, he is the head of state for realms, dominion and nation state.
      Any change will be due to their fascist actions evident to their own citizens.

      Removal of head of state goes beyond independence while the type of government remains in tact due to the common foundations ie.Magna Carta.

      The Commonwealth remains in tact Madame Mottley attended the Queen’s funeral as the head of government since Barbados remains a part of the organisation.

      He will be blamed when realms leave, and this would be the given reason.

      His actions belie honour, he is using the law to remove titles inherited through birth to disinherit his son.

      If enacted it is deemed amoral and punitive.

  26. tamsin says:

    Charles has two choices. He can do nothing, hence leaving whether Archie and Lili have HRH in abeyance. No one would refer to them as HRH’s without the king’s confirmation. Or he could act, and remove their HRH’s. Neither makes Charles look good and makes a mockery of the seriousness of titles if they can be decided on the the whim or choler of the monarch. There is no acceptable reason Charles can give for either option that doesn’t make him appear petty and racist.

    • aftershocks says:

      ^^ AFAIK, ‘HRH’ is a style; ‘Prince/ Princess’ are titles. The same as Duke & Duchess of Sussex are titles.

  27. JRenee says:

    This further confirms that he made an agreement of some sort to take care of Andrew in exchange for her declaration that Camilla should be QC. Obviously she didn’t persuade him to agree on Edward getting the Earl title or to leave Harry’s kids as they rightfully should be.
    Less than 3 weeks in and all he’s done is leak shit that makes him look worse, rapidly pronounced the POW titles and proclaim his love for H& M as he is publicly cruel to them.
    So much to do about a book that demonstrates how to live without leaks to the media. I personally hope Harry doesn’t give him much ink to demonstrate how little he means to him. What a dismal failure already!

  28. jferber says:

    Meaning, take the pulse of the public about removing his bi-racial grandchildren from HRH (and security in England) and see what’s in Harry’s book. Charles is a horrible man, husband, parent, grandparent and, no doubt, king (as we will painfully see in the coming weeks, months, years).

  29. blunt talker says:

    his parents gave him genetic pain(KIng Charles)-so he passed that same genetic pain onto his two sons-Harry and Willy-no surprise about his actions-he is vindictive with a huge dose of racial distain for anyone who challenges the white royal line.

  30. Justjan says:

    HnM should answer to the public that their children are whatever titles they historically, traditionally, and undoubtedly are. Let the world know now BEFORE Chuck is tempted to follow through on his racist plot. Doing so will highlight his racism should he follow through.
    As an aside, any American worthy of fireworks on the 4th of July could care less about royal titles. It occurs to me that the creatures in the USA which Americans freely bestow those titles on are our DOGS.

    • aftershocks says:

      ^^ LOL! 🤣 🎯 💯

      Atta boy Duke! Sit, Prince! Heel, my Duchess! Lay down, Count Baddie!
      Sic-em Earl!

      And don’t forget about cats! Meow my purr-fect Princess! 😆