Nicholl: Prince William was ‘naive’ to think Harry would always be his ‘wingman’

Katie Nicholl is currently promoting The New Royals, which is why she gave an interview to the Daily Beast’s Royalist column. It’s still funny/stupid that all of these royal biographers are going on the record about how Prince Harry shouldn’t write his story… when they’re all trying and failing to tell one highly selective palace-version of his story. The bulk of this Nicholl interview is, obviously, about the Duke and Duchess of Sussex and the new Prince and Princess of Wales. Nicholl got her start as Kate’s hagiographer and her sources are still very much in the axis of Middleton Manor and Kensington Palace. Some highlights:

On the Sussexes releasing those Misan Harriman photos: “That picture was very interesting. It was very deliberate. It was a reminder that there is an alternative royal court across the pond, and it’s one that is not going to be silenced or quietened. It was clearly published in response to the picture coming out of the Palace of the “new” fab four—Charles, Camilla, William and Kate—and this is a reminder that there are two other members of the family that still want a place in the spotlight.”

The breakdown in Harry & William’s relationship: “I think what’s at the core of it is a lack of willingness to forgive and a lack of understanding on the part of both princes. In the course of writing the book, I spoke to a wide circle of their friends as well as courtiers and advisers who worked with them in the past, and in some cases still work with them. It is such a complex situation. But when you boil it down, I think it does come down to William not really being able to forgive Harry for turning his back on his duty, and the way he did it. William feels that a lot of what Harry has done has been very disrespectful.”

The Queen was upset about William & Harry’s rift: “This idea of this rift between the brothers on a personal level for her was incredibly upsetting.”

Nicholl thinks the Palace was far too slow to take decisive action on the Sussexes: “It was naive on the part of William and the Palace to assume that Harry would always want to have the support role of being William’s wingman. I knew from the conversations that I’d had with Harry over the years [in her role as royal correspondent] that there was a lot of royal life that frustrated him.”

William isn’t looking to reconcile: “The reason why you didn’t see any real, meaningful reconciliation over the funeral is because William knows that, even if it’s delayed, there will be a book, there will be a Netflix series, and they will inevitably cause controversy and inevitably be damaging for the royal family. Harry has not just turned his back on the monarchy; he has thrown a stick of dynamite into the whole thing. William still can’t quite believe it has happened.”

How Charles feels: “We’ve seen from what [Harry] said in the past that he’s not been afraid of publicly criticizing his father, such as making it public that he had stopped taking his calls. Solving this problem is high up on Charles’ agenda. I am told by sources that he is determined to do everything he can to make the peace. But he’s going to expect loyalty in return.”

What about Lilibet & Archie’s titles: “The truth is we don’t know if Charles has yet decided on the issue of titles. It could be that as part of his vision for a slimmed-down monarchy, the children don’t get the titles. Giving them the titles would be a very generous olive branch because although the Sussexes originally said they didn’t want titles for their children and wanted them raised ordinarily, now it’s very evident that the titles do matter to them. Harry believes that’s what’s owed to them. But I don’t think Charles is going to give the children those titles unless he trusts Harry and Meghan to be respectful to him. Let’s not forget that when they left, they said that they would adhere to the values of the institution. That hasn’t always been the case. I think if the titles are given that message will be very explicitly reinforced.”

[From The Daily Beast]

One thing Nicholl has consistently emphasized is that William and Kate don’t want to make peace with the Sussexes. William and Kate got what they wanted for the most part – they successfully exiled and smeared Harry and Meghan, and they’ve “managed” that crisis in a localized way, meaning that they have the right-wing British media on their side. Nicholl has also pointed out that Charles actually wants to come to some kind of resolution with the Sussexes because he knows this is an issue which will affect his reign and the future of the monarchy – he sees that. William doesn’t see that. The larger problem still remains though, which is that the family wants Harry to capitulate but they have nothing “on” him and they have no way to force him to do anything. It’s not about “please be respectful,” because respect would have be given on both sides.

This is actually kind of a bold statement for Nicholl too: “It was naive on the part of William and the Palace to assume that Harry would always want to have the support role of being William’s wingman.” It’s true – it was naive. Childish, even. Immature. Lacking forethought, a juvenile inability to plan ahead and treat your brother with courtesy and love.

Photos courtesy of Avalon Red, Backgrid, Cover Images, Misan Harriman and Chris Jackson/Buckingham Palace.

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  1. Snuffles says:

    Charles wants control over Harry and his silence. Not going to happen. Harry will speak his truth.

    Now, a few years from now, after Harry and Meghan have said their peace and have moved on to completely focus on Archewell projects, they may never say a word about royal life ever again. But now is not that time.

    • Becks1 says:

      Ahem, the code word is apparently “loyalty” according to Nicholl, lol. Harry’s loyalty = his silence according to Charles et al.

      • Snuffles says:

        Yeah, it’s code for “I’ll give you your security back and not strip your children of their titles if you completely capitulate to me.” You know, that unconditional love. 🙄

      • Boxy Lady says:

        Yeah, instead of “loyalty,” I think what Charles actually wants from Harry is “fealty” which is more like loyalty and obedience to an exponential degree. Harry ain’t doing that LOL.

      • windyriver says:

        Charles should thank his lucky stars (if he still has any) that Harry is the type of person he is. Yes, he’s talked, a few times, about specific personal mistreatment – Charles not taking phone calls, cutting them off early on – but also expressed compassion, that Charles (and Will) are trapped in the system, victims of generational trauma, etc.

        Given what Harry must know about the family and the workings of the firm over the past 30 years, he could easily burn the whole thing down – but he hasn’t (so far). And imagine other family members in his position, free to talk; just picture Will in the same spot. Harry has only discussed things germane to understanding his own and his immediate family’s situation, or his work (e.g, TMYCS). Charles has already been the beneficiary of loyalty he doesn’t deserve (maybe because of Harry’s loyalty to TQ?)

        In any event, the person that tossed the stick of dynamite was Charles himself, 30 years ago, with what he openly said about his parents and his own childhood, but especially in his treatment of Diana during and after their marriage, the blatant lack of compassion and sheer disrespect of his relationship with Camilla. That’s what’s coming back to haunt him now – not the least because his treatment of Harry, but especially Meghan, has already demonstrated he’s exactly the same person, who’s learned not a single thing since the Diana years.

  2. equality says:

    So Will who put so much effort into forcing PH out, can’t forgive him for actually leaving? And KC’s “everything to make peace” includes being petty about a funeral for PH’s beloved grandmother? It’s the same-old story in the RF, loyalty and respect are expected to only flow one way.

    • Fifee says:

      I think its that H & M chose to leave before PW forced them out, as in exiling them.

    • Mrs.Krabapple says:

      What, exactly, has William done to demand respect from anyone?

      • HeatherC says:

        In William’s mind? He was born. He certainly hasn’t earned any respect or loyalty based on ability, talent or knowledge so birth is all he’s got.

  3. C-Shell says:

    Again. The Sussexes did not release Misan Harriman’s portraits, he did. Did he deliberately post them in response to the Drab Four? 🤷‍♀️ The timing was delicious, however. Throwing around “disrespectful” and Harry (and Meghan) being required to show respect to the “values of the Firm,” to Charles as a precondition for reconciliation is delusional. The BRF needs to atone (they won’t) before they can expect any forgiveness from Harry and Meghan. To earn their respect? That ship has sailed long ago.

    • Noki says:

      The pics were clearly supposed to be released weeks ago,but the obvious events took place. Im sure he would not have released them without checking with the Sussexes as a courtesy. And they rightfuly gave their blessing as the public and royal family mourning period was over.

    • Amy Bee says:

      Misan Harriman released pictures of Harry and Meghan the week before the Royal Family did. There was no issue then. The release of the second set of photos was just a continuation of that and all the photos would have been released earlier if the Queen hadn’t died.

      • equality says:

        Exactly. The RF stepped into H&M’s timeline.

      • aftershocks says:

        ^^ Exactly! Misan Harriman traveled with the Sussexes in order to document the preplanned events of their trip to Germany and to the U.K. No one in the Sussex camp is paying attention to what is released by the firm before deciding what they are going to release. 🙄 That’s a crazy f’ed up narrative that only exists in Nicholl’s, in the rota’s, and in the firm’s silly heads. ‘Alternative court,’ is the petty bitters’ fantasy label. LOL! Nicholl’s aim is simply to slickly continue scrounging to make money off of M&H while trying to demean them at the same time, in her blatant fronting and embiggening efforts for W+K and KC-trois. 👎

        Meanwhile, M&H will continue to live, to breathe, to exist, and to move with dedicated purpose in the world. They have absolutely no need to consider or respond to anything the ridiculous monarchy is doing! Especially M&H and Harriman don’t give a fig about a messy ‘failed four’ undertaker portrait snapped during a so-called mourning period for a Queen not yet cold in her grave. 👀😵‍💫🤮

        Harriman’s gorgeous portraits of M&H have zip to do with ‘alternate court’ nonsense. Harry will always be royal, but he and his lovely wife and children, Doria, and their close friends live in a different sphere that is far, far beyond and completely separate from the exploitative corruption and toxicity of the British monarchy and the British media.

      • Agreatreckoning says:

        Exactly to pretty much all the above. The Funeral Director’s/Drab Four photo was released 2 days before Harriman’s beautiful photos of the Sussexes. It’s not the Sussexes fault that the BM/RR’s/most people didn’t give two shites about the photo of the others. The BM always has the option to not talk about the Sussexes.

        They choose otherwise-ya know, because the Sussexes are so “irrelevant”.

  4. Noki says:

    It says a lot about William that he needs a ‘wingman’ at this stage in life. He is not some frat boy in college,he is PoW ( dont recall Andrew being a wingman) and future King, if he hasnt figured it out by now he never will.

    • ArtHistorian says:

      William has a wife, he shouldn’t need to have his brother be his wingman in this stage of his life.

      • Alice says:

        Philip was quite noticeably Elizabeth’s wingman.

        I will say that after Charles and Diana separated Anne and then later Edward/Sophie got pushed into roles they wouldn’t have if Charles was still married. But they still weren’t his wingman.

        William should be thrilled. His own supporters are painting him as a bigger narcissist anyone else in his family!

    • mia girl says:

      Yeah, it boggles my mind that William truly thinks Harry should exist to propel William’s success.

      Did he really think he & Harry would just “Shake and Bake” it, where Harry would let William win every race?

      Immature indeed.

      • Dutch says:

        Never thought I’d see a Talladega Nights reference in a royals comment. Kudos to you, you should celebrate by getting kicked out of an Applebees.

      • mia girl says:

        @dutch – lol!
        Me sitting in the Applebees: “can’t the RF resolve this conflict without anger?” 😂😂

        That movie is just so quotable.

      • Becks1 says:

        I feel like the Firm is afraid that Harry’s memoir is the equivalent of him coming at them like a spider monkey.

      • mia girl says:

        @becks1 – 😂👏🏼😂👏🏼

    • ThatNotOkay says:

      Who but Harry could William count on to wingman/cover for him whenever William went “deer stalking”?

    • Eurydice says:

      One thing people agree on is that Will has a giant ego. I can’t imagine that he’d want people to think he’s naïve and needs a wingman to do his job (however much this might be true). All these pieces/comments/excerpts about how Will needs Harry, but is incapable of reconciling – it’s like the “royal experts” are using Harry as a cover for actually criticizing Will.

      • aftershocks says:

        ^^ Yes exactly. Plus, Harry’s duty is to his core family unit: Meghan, Archie, Lili, and Doria. Harry doesn’t owe his royal relatives anything. They never respected Harry for himself. They only used him and took him for granted. Yet, Harry was supportive and loyal to them to a fault. Even now, Harry is dignified, truthful, and gracious toward his relatives, who ought to be thanking Harry for not going completely off on them and spilling everything. If the petty royals weren’t feeling guilty about their behavior toward Harry (and Meghan) in the first place, they wouldn’t be worried about the upcoming publication of Harry’s memoir.

        It shouldn’t be taking the firm and the rota this exorbitant length of time to realize that Harry has left that corrupt institution for good! That ship has friggin’ sailed, sunk, and is totally out of commission. Also, Katie Nicholl should stop trying to pretend she knew Harry back-in-the-day cuz she used to have conversations with him. LOL! 🤣😂🤪

        Nicholl is starting to sound like Angela Levin and Duncan Larcombe who apparently believe they have some kind of special knowledge of or close connection to Harry because he politely conversed with them briefly, as part of his royal duties in the distant past. 🙄 I don’t believe Nicholl either when she claims she’s spoken to people who are still close to Harry. No one ‘close to Harry’ is talking to Nicholl. No leaks exist in Montecito!

  5. Beverley says:

    Funny how racism and emotional abuse never get mentioned as the root of the problem, just Harry’s sin of the Oprah interview, Harry’s book, and Netflix.

    • JCallas says:

      If KC wanted peace, he would not have to had to be shamed into allowing Harry to wear his uniform to the vigil and would have already recognized his grandchildren’s titles.

    • EveV says:

      @Beverly
      This is what gets me. They only mention why William is upset (which his anger is due to actions that he put into motion), but don’t mention why Harry feels betrayed (and Harry has much better reasons for feeling disrespected). Harry’s family was smeared, racially abused, financially abused, mentally abused, and sold out to the media on an hourly basis. It’s sickening that the RR’s of course never bring that up. They act like Harry and Meghan just up and left with no warning after the BRF rolled out the red carpet for them and gave them every perk possible in the family. They are delusional.

  6. Lady D says:

    I’d be willing to bet large that respecting Meghan and Harry never so much as crossed William’s mind even once in his life.

    • Carty says:

      William doesn’t respect anybody. Certainly not Harry, his father, nor his wife. I doubt he cared much for his grandmother either. Hell, he’s even called his dead mother paranoid.

    • Well Wisher says:

      It’s more like a lacking in empathy as a start, respect is so far away from him.
      At the core of William’s social relationships, there is a malignancy, a dispitefulness.
      He tones it down to get his way, if all fails the anger, resentment and malice moves to the front.
      Meanwhile there is the gaslighting and projection, in actual fact, if he has the four S : sex, safety, supply and service anyone is replaceable.

      There is a lot of shame there, that is main reason for his demand for secrecy.

      He is fully aware that he lacks honour.

  7. ShazBot says:

    I wonder how long before one of the RR finally verbalizes that Will just could have been NICE to Meghan and Harry and wouldn’t be in the position he’s in.

    Thank goodness he wasn’t though. They’re so much better off out of there. The RFs problem is keeping people from realizing that.

  8. Plums says:

    They had to cancel all the publicity they had on schedule for their various projects during the mourning period for the queen, and the photo was released just as Archetypes came back from hiatus and was taken before the queen’s death anyway, so in response to nothing. It was obviously planned for a PR release. Not everything the Sussexes do is about you, Salt Islanders.

    • Well Wisher says:

      Why are you being reasonable?
      Just remember that Harry and Meghan live in William’s world, everything they do or do not do, is about him.

      It explains why there is a royal court in California. It’s alternative reality.

      He is not only in line for the crown but his late grandmother’s integrity and esteem.

      I cannot wait for him to wake up, if he ever does.

  9. Feeshalori says:

    Firstly, the Sussex children already HAVE their titles. For those in the backseat, they automatically received them when Charles became monarch. Now the question remains whether he’s going to yank these titles by LP.
    Secondly, Katie Nichols finally speaks the truth that William was naïve to think Harry would be his wingman/scapegoat and live his life in servitude to his big brother while having no life of his own.

    • Jay says:

      THIS. I think it’s important to push back on this narrative – Archie and Lilli already have the titles, regardless of what the royal website or Charles supporters might say. If Charles really wants to push for a new letter patent that conspicuously excludes only his two biracial grandchildren, so be it – he can put it in writing for everyone to read.

      But that’s very much not what Charles is doing. He’s hoping to just change the way we talk about this so that he won’t have to do the unpopular thing of taking something from actual babies. And we should call it out when we see it.

      • Agreatreckoning says:

        Agree. It’s important to push back on this narrative. It is wholly false. At no time has/have? Harry/H&M been on record saying they didn’t want their children to have titles. Ever. According to the previous LoP’s(the UK Constitutional Law Blog explains all this very well), as soon as Charles became monarch-Archie & Lili became a prince and a princess. Respectively. At this point, Chuckie Cheese 3 isn’t giving anything-he’s taking things away from his only biracial grandchildren.

        Katie Nicholl must have received a WhatsApp message to imply a different narrative. She’s inserting the Sussexes names into what, Anne, Princess Royal, supposedly said about her children and titles.

    • aftershocks says:

      @Feeshalori said:
      “Katie Nichols finally speaks the truth that William was naïve to think Harry would be his wingman/scapegoat and live his life in servitude…”

      Ummm, I personally don’t ever view Katie Nicholl as being in the business of telling the truth. She always writes about stuff we already know with added embellishments and false narratives. The fact that Nicholl is trying to claim she speaks to people who are close to Harry, and that she used to have conversations with him herself is a clear tipoff. She’s trying to legitimize all the utter falsehoods she and the rota constantly try to sell. She only throws a few nuggets of truth out there to entice people to click and to purchase her books.

      Katie Nicholl is a grifter and a clout-chaser who has managed to make her livelihood off nonsensical royal chatter, and styling herself as a ‘royal expert.’ She’s just another longtime carnival crew member. Nicholl has likely trolled CB for talking points since the supply of Sussex leaks from KP have dried up. Therefore, I don’t give Nicholl any brownie points for telling us something we already know that’s wrapped up in W+K embiggening lies and slams against M&H.

  10. Becks1 says:

    So again with the talk about Charles “giving” them the titles. He’s not giving them anything at this point. They HAVE the titles. He’ll have to take them away. I know we know that here, but I think we need to keep hammering that point because I think its a key distinction. Talking about whether Charles will give them the titles implies that he could just withhold them and it would be NBD. But he has to make an active move here if he wants the titles removed.

    Also, I’m not buying KN’s whole “they wanted him raised without a title and now they’ve changed their minds.” Meghan was crystal clear in the interview, that she didn’t think it was her choice to make for her child. and I know at the time we all assumed that the choice of Master Archie vs Lord Archie was H&M’s choice, but now I don’t think it was.

    And yes, William should not have expected Harry to be his wingman for the rest of his life. No one expected Andrew to be Charles’ wingman. Now Andrew was obviously problematic for many reasons but I think some of those problems (definitely not all) could have been avoided or mitigated if his position in the family was handled differently. The Windsors have not figured out what to do with the spares and its going to keep being a problem down the line.

    • Nic919 says:

      Once the Sussex dukedom was given, the courtesy titles attached to it would be up to Harry and Meghan to decide to use for Archie. I think by the time Archie was born they weren’t fussed into using them for him. They still could if they wanted to but I think the plan to go part time and leave the Uk was if not in motion then in significant planning stages by the time he was born. And titles on kids are weird outside of the UK.

      The talk of Harry being wingman to William was because William never gave off the sense that he was capable to do the job without help. Charles was never discussed this way even in the 70s when he was in his full playboy stage. And if doesn’t help that William married someone who is even more incapable than he is. Kate remains horrible at speeches and does very little work. Now that they have the more prominent title and are closer to the throne, there will be a lot more scrutiny.

      They are just mad that Harry and Meghan were able to gain independence and not be control by the need for funds, as the other spares have been over time.

      • aftershocks says:

        @Nic919, I think we should all continue to be diligent in remembering what M&H have already told us, and try not to fall for the false narratives that continue to be perpetuated by the firm and the rota carnival crew. M&H have advised that the public not believe anything said about them unless it comes from them or their reps.

        In this instance, M&H already revealed to us in the Oprah interview that it wasn’t their choice to not give Archie a
        royal title at birth. M&H didn’t say what their view is of the courtesy titles their children are also entitled to as the offspring of a Duke. But we do know that according to current LP legislation, M&H’s two children are now upon the Queen’s death & their grandfather’s ascension, HRH Prince/ Princess automatically, regardless of whether or not the royal website wants to acknowledge that fact. KC-trois can do whatever by this point. We already know he doesn’t respect the Sussexes or their children, his own younger grandchildren.

        What M&H said in the Oprah interview is that they are concerned about their children’s security. They further said that they want their children to be able to decide for themselves regarding the issue of bearing titles. Thus, we should cease second-guessing M&H’s specific views until and unless they speak in more detail about this.

  11. Kokiri says:

    lol that Harry didn’t understand.
    He understands perfectly. That’s why he left.

  12. Amy Bee says:

    It’s interesting that all these royal reporters, who pretended to be shocked when Harry announced that he was leaving the royal family, are now admitting that he wanted out for a very long time.

    • Ceej says:

      Even more odd to see someone treat Harry as the main topic of the things that have happened, instead of the usual meghan insisted on it all and Harry just got led about by the nose as usual!

    • Dutch says:

      Yet they still won’t connect that Charles made it clear that Harry would be let go from The Firm when he ascended to the throne as being a reason why Harry struck out on his own rather than waiting around to be dismissed after gran kicked it.

      • aftershocks says:

        ^^ Could you please elaborate @Dutch on what you are referring to exactly, and what time lines are involved? Before Harry met Meghan, Harry and his future family were fully included in Chuck’s idea of a slimmed-down monarchy. It was only after Harry’s marriage to Meghan and their huge popularity that jealousy and racism impacted how Chuck began to view Harry and his future progeny.

  13. Cessily says:

    Naive and immature seems to describe them perfectly. Also I have real issues with the “slight of hand” phrasing by constantly saying “slimmed down Monarchy” as an excuse to withhold or strip titles like it is a budget cut. They are not reducing any cost, and from what I’ve seen they have increased spending dramatically since the Sussex’s left. I expect that this year’s budget will be even higher no matter how many titles are out there.

    • Jennifer says:

      “Slimmed down” means “we kick people out of the money pot so that less people are using the same amount of money.” It’s not discount royalty and he saves no one no money. It’s just more money for Kate and Wills.

  14. sherry says:

    Champagne problems.

  15. Islandgirl says:

    “Let’s not forget that when they left, they said that they would adhere to the values of the institution.”
    What exactly are the values of the institution? Leaking and smearing to discredit and deflect? Feeding the beast called the tabloids? accepting cash for honours? allowing staff to break NDAs so you can discredit your brother and his wife?
    What exactly should Harry and Meghan be doing to adhere to the values of this institution. They are such hypocrites…

    • equality says:

      Actually that was part of a statement put out by BP and not something H&M said in person, so who knows if true or not. “While they can no longer formally represent The Queen, the Sussexes have made clear that everything they do will continue to uphold the values of Her Majesty.” And it referenced TQ not the rest of them.

      • Debbie says:

        That’s a good catch, @ Equality. Funny how quickly a statement made specifically about “the queen” quietly became about “the institution” after her death.

      • Agreatreckoning says:

        Excellent catch @equality. ‘Her Majesty’ not the institution or Firm.

        Out of curiousity, where exactly are these “values” of the institution listed? Like protocols, the values fascinatingly change on a day-to-day basis.

        fyi, the full 2020 990 of the American Friends of the Royal Foundation of the D & D of Cambridge is available. Quite Interesting. It looks like the majority of monies, over $6mil went to the Royal Foundation/Earthsh*t. As suspected. As much as Dick Eden wanted people to believe that W&K are popular in the US-the monies donated were largely due to one or two for Earthsh*te. lol’d at the supposed amount that was listed for Covid response. W&K were gallivanting around without masks a lot. I guess a line item for bots/derangers would be questioned.

  16. lunchcoma says:

    I think more importantly, it was naive of CHARLES not to spend some more time thinking about the role of younger children who weren’t, specifically, Dutiful Anne, Whipping Boy Andrew, and Invisible Edward. Things worked when Harry could have a career outside of the UK. They stopped working after he wasn’t able to do that anymore. William was an ass about things, but Charles really needed to spend some time planning out exactly what The Spare can do to live a fulfilling life.

    It doesn’t look like anyone’s interested in addressing anything now, either, so I expect that there will be trouble ahead when Louis is 30 or so.

    • Alice says:

      There’s also the inherent sexism involved.

      Anne wasn’t given a duchy or earldom when she married, unlike her younger brothers. (I will fight anyone who said she turned it down. HER FIRST HUSBAND WAS OFFERED ONE NOT HER. THAT IS A DIFFERENT THING)

      Maybe Charlotte won’t want to play the dutiful princess who is never going to be Duchess of whatever and whose children won’t have titles anyway.

      • lunchcoma says:

        That’s true, Alice, and if you look at Margaret as another data point in addition to Anne, there are a lot of ways that extra daughters can flounder without either a firm role in the family or enough freedom to build lives of their own.

        I hope that Charlotte finds something less conventional than Anne and more fulfilling than Margaret.

      • Chrissy says:

        For what it’s worth, the Queen did give Anne the Princess Royal title, although there is no land or money attached to it. I guess it’s understood that the heir will deal fairly with his/ her siblings in terms of a role in the family but how they support themselves has never really been addressed it seems. I guess that’s where selling their jewels, writing royal tell-alls or selling their royal status doe cash, like Prince Michael of Kent did to Russia.

      • aftershocks says:

        ^^ Since forever, the British monarchy and the British class system has been about patriarchy. It is an inherently misogynistic institution.

    • Sunday says:

      I agree it was naive of Charles, but also want to point out that things worked when William was M.I.A. on his “part time regular guy” routine, and they stopped working when he and Kate came back to the fold as full-time working royals, which they only did because they had to compete with Harry and Meghan. So, it wasn’t like Will had been working while Harry was busy with his career, Will was completely out of the picture and then the second he came back he decided to give himself a head start by kneecapping the competition, and he’s stuck with that tactic as he finds it easier to tear down everyone else instead of exerting the effort to actually build himself up.

      As father and (then future) king, Charles absolutely should have had a concrete strategy to deal with William and manage the heir/spare dynamic, but Charles has a lot of the same character flaws as William and seems completely unable to analyze the reality of the situation beyond heir good, spare bad. The entire strategy is just “comply, or else.” They are incapable of growth or progress and are doomed to repeat the same cycles because their entire brain trust, royals and courtiers alike, share the exact same shockingly narrow mindset clouded by privilege and conceit.

  17. girl_ninja says:

    Neither Will or Kate care about anything other than the money that they will receive to continue to live the life of luxury and leisure that they have been living. They don’t care about Harry or Meghan and don’t care about trauma they caused. Terrible people with no heart, no soul.

    • MsIam says:

      I think your statement sums everything up pretty neatly. They just don’t care. In Baldemort and Keen’s minds they’ve won and gotten rid of the troublesome Sussexes. If they rear their heads then Wails will send their press hounds after them. The Wails will be able to skate by for a while like this but their day of reckoning is coming.

  18. Aria Johnson says:

    These people always talk about how William can’t forgive Harry but they never talk about how Harry can’t forgive him/them!! Harry didn’t do nothing but say the truth about what went down in his life and his the truth about his wife. If u done me wrong to the point where I had to live in another continent just to get peace away from u and u expect ME to apologize, we will never speak again

    • Nic919 says:

      When we go to what Kevin Maguire said a few years ago, that if the public learned exactly what the family did to Harry and Meghan they would understand why they left, but that he can’t speak of it due to legal reasons, its pretty obvious Harry is the one who has a reason to still be mad at this family.

      • Lorelei says:

        @Nic, I wonder when the time for the public to learn is and if it will ever arrive. The Queen is gone, they should start telling the public what they know.

    • Solidgold says:

      Chuck, Camilla, Will, Kate all have plausible deniability.
      It was the media, palace staff, the deranged and bots that attacked Harry and Meghan. The media will never implicate themselves in their part of the character assassinations.

  19. FarFromRealTV says:

    Prince Peggington the Naive. Wills is gonna love that.

  20. Sascha says:

    A King that needs a wingman is no king at all how pathetic

    • lanne says:

      King is a one person job, not a 2 person job. All of this talk is really unflattering to William, because it shows that no one on his team really trusts him to do the job on his own.

  21. Mel says:

    If they’re so unimportant, stop talking about them. Everyone is tired of it, the Sussex family isn’t talking about them, they have moved on, move on and let everyone live their lives. If you’re upset about them leaving, you have only yourselves to blame. Accept your responsibility and stop worrying about people who aren’t even thinking about you.

  22. ThandieLand says:

    Bunkers! Everybody on Saltine island wants to have it both ways. the media and the royal family, in the telling and the doing respectively. which is it? did William force Harry and his wife and son out or is he hurt that Harry left? You salty crackers cant have it both ways! smfh.

  23. lanne says:

    What everyone is forgetting in British media land is that William isn’t going to magically wake up one day able to do his job. So either they accept that they will have a king who does next to nothing in the future, while his brother and SIL build a vibrant, active life on another continent, or they talk openly about William’s deficiencies so at least UK people, who will be supporting these people, are informed.

    Their MO seems to be bullying Harry and Meghan until they (he) relents and returns to his “duty” to do the work behind the scenes for his brother, preferably without Meghan and the children. That they still think this is possible is absolutely delusional, but they can’t seem to accept that Harry is gone, gone, gone. Neither are they giving him any reason to return. He doesn’t need their money, their “protection,” nor any “legitimacy” they may provide. They still cannot, willnot, accept him as a private citizen. My guess is that the courtiers are talking about how everything will improve for the monarchy “when Harry comes back.” As if there’s a specific smear or slander they could put out there that will bring him running “back where he belongs.” There seems to be a process of “let’s try X. That didn’t work? Let’s try Y.” No one is thinking about the future. Chuck and Co still have to build a legitimate brand for their institution, and yet they can’t seem to stop this stupid, destructive war that they started.

    These are the kinds of people who will refuse to course correct, and will go down with the ship. William and Kate are still big nothing burgers. Harry and Meghan will continue to dominate the news cycles. The world could start getting bored of the royals and their pettiness, especially if all they have to sell is the same old same old “whaa whaa Harry Meghan whaa whaa.”

    The royals will continue to be the voices of old, racist Brexit Britain because they don’t seem to want to be anything else.

    • Sunday says:

      They don’t want Harry to return to work behind the scenes. His “duty” is to provide cover for his brother, and I’d argue that the UK media still has him in that role no matter where he’s living or what the reality is. They’re not really trying to bully him into returning. I mean, I think they push buttons and sit back with popcorn to watch any and all fallout, but the bullying in itself is the purpose, it is his “duty” – even without returning, the current situation means that the UK press has carte blanche to smear Harry and his family every which way possible, all in service of making Will look good by comparison. That’s it, that’s the game.

      It’s all a charade. The true “duty” of the King isn’t to shake hands or cut ribbons, it’s to give a face to the UK establishment and smooth over the rough edges of proto-authoritarian rule. It’s to be a mascot for Tory government. That’s Will’s real job, and it’s why the Tories prefer William to Charles, and why they actually LOVE the situation with Harry and Meghan. They couldn’t write a better PR scenario if they tried – on one side you have the white heir, the husband and father with the demure, submissive wife, who believes in absolutely nothing, and on the other side you have the woke spare married to a Black American preaching about mental health and racism. It’s the literal embodiment of the right’s crusade, it’s a walking Tucker Carlson segment, and they’re loving every minute of it.

      Will is just worse at keeping up the facade of “service,” but part of me wonders if it’s not that he’s actually *bad* at pretending that philanthropy is the purpose of the monarchy, it’s that he just flatly doesn’t believe it. His beliefs are way more traditional – that he is superior because of his blood, and that playing pretend and cutting ribbons is beneath him. This current iteration of right wing government and associated media seem to share those beliefs, and they’re all just stoking the fires of the culture war, with Harry and Will as the perfect proxies.

      Just like with Brexit, the real question is whether this insular strategy is sustainable in the long run or if they’ll be forced to back off once they realize that their narrative is failing outside of their borders.

      • Justwastingtime says:

        That analysis rings true. The only thing is that the narrative will get old and boring inside the borders as well eventually. When that happens, the UK media willl be forced to try to make money off William and Kate. Accordingly they may have to release the Kracken and start divulging whatever they have on them and their marriage, Will’s affairs and potentially additional children etc At least that will be interesting (sort of).

      • Saucy&Sassy says:

        The only issue that the bm seems to ignore is the damage they’re doing globally. More and more people are paying attention to the lies and smears about H&M coming out of the UK. For an industry which uses its pen to frame any narrative it so chooses, it is apparently uncaring of what the message becomes outside of their island. They do not know, or they do not care, that they are presenting the UK as racist, sexist, every ist, xenophobic and so on. That will harm the UK in the short and long run. Is this a Tory issue? Is this what the government wants?

  24. ABritGuest says:

    Katie lying a lot there eg about titles for the kids. You can see why the palace put out that story in 2019 that Harry & Meghan didn’t want titles for Archie. They wanted to put the onus on the parents for titles being removed.

    Reports of the feud between the brothers started in 2018. Why can’t anybody interrogate why nobody in the firm seemed to do anything about it if Harry was so important to William’s reign?

  25. Pumpkin (Was Sofia) says:

    Why does William need a wingman in Harry when he has Kate? That’s who he his wingman became from 2011 onwards.

    You don’t hear stories about Margaret being a support to this level to QEII. Or any of Charles’ siblings. Yes there were/are some stories to Anne but that seems like a genuine “close sibling relationship to have for advice” rather than NEEDS someone.

    • Carrie says:

      King George VI didn’t need a wingman. And he ascended the throne unexpectedly after Edward VIII abdicated. King George looked to his wife for support, Tampon looks to Camilla. Why did/does William need Harry to be his crutch? Because he has no accomplishments of his own and needs to take the credit for Harry’s. Gosh if Harry stayed William wd be all over Invictus like a rash.

  26. Aimee says:

    How exactly did Harry turn his back on his duty? His duty was to be the “spare” and he fulfilled that just by being born. Why can’t he make a life for himself now???

  27. Jay says:

    What I find interesting about this perspective is the big Kate-shaped hole in the narrative. Despite Nicholls being on the Middleton party line, it’s all very much down to William and whether he wants to reconcile with his former wingman. And yes, it’s freaking weird that your future king would need a wingman.

    But there’s no mention of Kate, and that would be a natural place to do it. In the past, we heard a lot about Kate “standing by” her man and being a “rock” ( I assume they meant in terms of stability, not in terms of her wits). And yet…

  28. Saucy&Sassy says:

    Just when you think any one of these rrs and “royal experts” are incapable of telling the truth, someone comes out with, “This idea of this rift between the brothers on a personal level for her was incredibly upsetting.” This comment was in relation to TQ. I believe that the TQ was very upset and angry about the fact that Harry, Meghan & Archie left. They left BECAUSE of W&K and she was well aware of that. Obviously, Chuck had a hand in this somewhere–perhaps by letting it happen without intervening, or by being a party to the crap.

    I believe how we saw H&M treated at TQ’s funeral is how they’ve wanted to treat them before, but TQ wouldn’t allow it. There must have been a lot of angry people for TQ’s Jubbly. It was apparent that H&M’s participation was definitely what she ordered.

    Any slowing down and stopping with the Windsor’s cruelty toward H&M is now gone. Fails, Wails and Chucky are now free to do as they wish.

  29. Barbara says:

    Everyone else already made the smart comments so I’ll be the superficial one: whew, that picture of Meghan and Harry is smoking!

  30. Lizzie says:

    So they essentially want someone to work as wingman for room and board and everything else he must beg for or negotiate. The king just inherited billions, so offer Harry a salary to make it worth his while. Offer Meghan a salary too. And employee contracts stating what they are entitled too.

  31. The Recluse says:

    I love how these Royal Rota mouthpieces speak for people they don’t truly know, like Harry and Meghan, and so willingly go along with BP’s toxic propaganda.
    May the Monarchy rot.

  32. Tessa says:

    So being a wingman meant that William had to approve of Harry’s prospective wife, control his life, use him as scapegoat? This Wingman business is ridiculous. William needs to lead his own life.

  33. Deeanna says:

    I have read several references of late about Harry and Meghan having “established a court” in California. Being American raised and having no knowledge of royal courts, kings, princes, dukes, earls, or lords and ladies, could some kind Brit please explain this to me?
    I’m also curious about the concept of ” rival courts”. How does that work?