As we count down until Sunday’s 60 Minutes interview with Prince Harry, I love it even more that the first clip 60 Minutes released was about Harry dismantling “never complain, never explain.” You can really tell that the British media doesn’t want to get into what Harry actually says here, like “That correspondent will literally be spoon-fed information and write the story. And at the bottom of it they will say that they’ve reached out to Buckingham Palace for comment. But the whole story is Buckingham Palace commenting.” Once more, with feeling:
I bring this up because, wouldn’t you know, the Telegraph published a piece about King Charles’s thoughts about his younger son. This kind of detail appearing in the Telegraph – not one of the tabloids, and a long-time monarchist newspaper – would surely mean that Buckingham Palace’s comms office had pulled in Vicky Ward and briefed her precisely on what they expected her to write, correct? Alas, one of the last lines of this Telegraph article is “Buckingham Palace declined to comment.” Drats, now Prince Harry has no “proof” of his claims!!! Some highlights from the Telegraph:
King Charles IS willing to reconcile: The Duke of Sussex was wrong to claim that the King has shown “no willingness” to reconcile, sources have said. Harry said of the Royal family: “They’ve shown absolutely no willingness to reconcile… I would like to get my father back. I would like to have my brother back.” However, those close to the King insist that he has always made clear how much he loves both of his sons, keeping communication channels open throughout the last few years, despite the many barbs from California.
Jubbly meetings: Father and son are understood to have remained in contact, meeting several times during the Platinum Jubilee celebrations last June. Their relationship has occasionally been tense but the King has repeatedly said that his door remains open and that the Duke and Duchess are welcome at any time.
Deeply saddened: Although he has not watched the couple’s Netflix series and is not expected to read Harry’s book, he is said to have been “deeply saddened” by much of the criticism aimed at the institution by his son and daughter-in-law. But as several sources have made clear in recent weeks, he has no desire for further acrimony and would always welcome his younger son back into his arms. One insisted that the King would never let personal hurt prevent him from building bridges, noting that he had insisted the Sussexes were invited to his coronation.
The Queen’s funeral shenanigans: What the Duke and Duchess want, specifically, from the Royal family is currently unclear. They are likely still smarting from their perceived treatment in the immediate aftermath of the death of Queen Elizabeth II when Harry was not personally contacted by the King before a public statement was released. There was also confusion over a mistaken Sussex invite to a state reception at Buckingham Palace – never fully explained – and tension over military uniforms. The King was said to have seen “tremendous flickers of hope” in his interactions with the Sussexes over that period, raising the prospect of a rapprochement.
So, obviously, this came straight from BP’s communications team and this is King Charles’s real perspective. So much complaining and explaining! The thing is, I have gotten the feeling that Harry and Charles are communicating a bit more in the past year. I do think Charles and Camilla met with the Sussexes a few times (and at least one meeting, with the kids, which was not publicized whatsoever at the time) last June. I also think Charles made some kind of half-hearted effort to “include” the Sussexes during QEII’s funeral. My point is that Harry and Charles are on speaking terms, which is better than Harry and William’s relationship. I believe that in Harry’s interviews and in his memoir, all will be made clearer about who Harry blames for what. I also believe that Harry has always had pretty low expectations from his father, but what really hurt him the most was when William turned out to be such an incandescent pig.
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To whom has Charles “made it clear”? To Harry or The Telegraph?
Charles is bad at “making things clear.” Really bad. IMO.
There’s that and also that everything he wants to “make clear” is contradictory. He wants to reconcile, he wants to exclude Meghan, he pulls Harry’s security, he loves Archie and Lili but wants to remove their titles, he’s furious, he’s bewildered, he’s terrified, he’s calmly carrying on. If we went by what BP leaks to the press, we’d think Charles is kind of nuts.
Very contradictory. He’s just as bad as his mother was at handling problems. KC3 is king now, he’s in charge of an unhealthy institution, with unhealthy bonds to the tabloids. He was in charge long before the queen died, and was aware of the huge problems long before H&M left, but the only thing he and the queen did for them was to seperate their and the Camb’s offices. Had he been a true leader, he would’ve cleaned house and fired of every leaker. He would’ve fired the racist in his firm and made a clear statement against the rags horrible treatement of Meghan. He would’ve sat down and listened to every word H&M have said, read every word Harry has written, and take action to improve the rotten state the firm is in, but he won’t. Because he first had to fire himself, his mistress consort and his eldest son and wife + a whole bunch of other family members. Harry says they’re trapped, and in one way they are, but it’s possible for a KING to do something about a rotten court. When he doesn’t do anything, it’s clear he prefere it that way.
@Eurydice,
That is so very funny bc it’s 100% TRUE. 😆
Exactly. Has he actually told Harry this or has he told the media and thinks that’s enough? Because it isn’t.
Only the never ending gaslighting is clear, at this point.
Can we all agree now the royal racist is absolutely 💯 william?
@Brassy: Classic gaslighting! “BuT I iNviTed hIM to a wOrk eVeNt (that glorifies me). WhY woN’t hE foRgiVe mEeeE?”
“If you shut up about our abusiveness you can come back to working for us” does not equal “reconciling,” Charles!
“If you shut up about our abusiveness and leave your wife and family, you can come back to working for us” is even less of an attempt at reconciling.
“He loves his sons equally” Really? Then why don’t they get equal security?
Why was Harry’s location leaked to the press when he was
1) in Afghanistan, putting him and SCORES of other brave soldiers in mortal peril
2) in Canada with his young family, putting him, Meghan and Archie all in mortal peril?
That’s never happened to Perennially Incandescent William.
Never happened to that pedo pig Andrew, either.
It did happen to Diana though, and look where she ended up.
Only conclusion that can be drawn is Charles is petty to the point of madness, he wanted Harry and Meghan GONE just like he wanted Diana gone.
It’s only thanks to Tyler Perry who stepped up to rescue H, M & A that Charles did not succeed in his plot to kill his own son, daughter-in-law, and grandson.
The British govt clearly colluded with the BRF to end Diana’s life.
I think the Sussexes should never return to the UK, especially for the Coronation, because the BRF will just keep trying it until they succeed in destroying them.
They DESPERATELY want them there at the Coronation for the views, clicks and diversions the Sussexes can bring.
I also suspect that Andrew is mounting pressure to attend and that can only happen if the Sussexes also attend since the UK insists in engaging in their INSANE equivalence in treatment between Andrew and H&M.
This! That’s why I think they shouldn’t attend. We’ll see
I think it’s more negotiations that reconciliations going on.
Look, Harry wants his security back and the ability to come and go as he pleases to the UK whether it’s for charity visits or visiting friends. Charles wants some good PR and for it to look like the Sussex’s supports his reign.
I think Harry would be willing to show up to his coronation and the occasional family event in exchange for the above.
How is Harry showing up for any family event when Meghan is excluded?
I’m sorry I wasn’t clear. I’m assuming any deal struck would include Meghan too.
Harry was told that Meghan wasn’t family. How is he overcoming that?
Don’t forget princess 🧱 and imitation vanilla Sophie, plus 🖤 mistress consort, tye dye Anne daughter and husband. It’s not just 👑 Falls the 🥉 and wannabe the 🗣️ literally Willy the bully🐂. Who’s going to deal with that crazy when they don’t have to. Let’s keep in mind. California has to go to the UK it’ll never be the other way around
Their blatant stupidity in constantly proving Harry an Meghan right (while trying to tell the public that Harry & Meghan are lying) is remarkable to me.
It is spectacular, isn’t it? Unfortunately the public’s critical thinking skills are at an all time low, so a large swath of the population (both sides of the pond) take this at face value.
Have you been on Twitter? Many people on both sides of the pond changed their minds after watching the docu-series and after how they handled the Jeremy Corbyn incident. Not only that, they are paying close attention to it now and calling out the royal family. On UK’s most popular radio station, LBC, people are voicing their destain for the royal family, they realize the royal family never defended H&M, and they are ashamed of just reading a headline and judging them based on that.
Steven Schmidt, a conservative republican who writes about politics, wrote an article on Monday, calling the hell out the royal family and their newspapers. People were shocked to read his article and believed everything Harry and Meghan said, and he called Meghan Mccain out on her bullshit.
@LULU – That Schmidt article was amazing!
@Eurydice- It was the icing on the cake. Especially coming from him.
@LULU Yup, I’m on Twitter and for some reason in my feed I get a lot of H&M haters, even though I use Twitter primarily for political news and humor. I don’t search RF stuff on Twitter so not sure why the algo is serving me that dreck, but I scroll past. I reserve my RF reading for this site 🙂
And that’s great that the doc is changing hearts and minds, but I maintain that many, many people simply regurgitate the talking points of the folks that scream the loudest.
@ Startup- This week one of the many royal reporters was crying on one of Murdoch’s networks; her quote was, “unfortunately, because of the Sussex Squad and their vitriol, people are siding with Harry and Meghan.
When you see a high traffic of haters and you don’t follow the royals, that is a sure sign of bots.
Here’s the Stephen Schmidt article, it’s a very good read…https://steveschmidt.substack.com/p/the-duchess-of-sussex-and-her-stalkers
@Jaded he”s also done another one calling out Piers Morgan treatment/smearing of Harry and Meghan (mostly Meghan) and Morgan has blocked him! 😆 Although his politics is right of centre he’s one of those people who when he speaks people listen. It’s great that someone of his stature is speaking up for them in “Overseas”, as it will go a long way to smothering the attempted smears creeping into the American mainstream. No doubt when the Fail and the Murdoch press catch wind of the articles they’ll probably orchestrate a smear campaign against him!
@Startup Spouse, absolutely disagree about the ‘large swath of the population (both sides of the pond) take this at face value.’. Not seeing it on my side of the pond (America). Are there some minor parts of the population that bought into the bs? Sure. Not a ‘large swath’. I live in a very large Republican county(sadly) in my state. I’ve only encountered 2 people over the last six years who had anything negative to say about H&M. Most people think the monarchy is bs and simply say they remember why we have a celebration on July 4th and don’t blame the couple for leaving too
I posted on a different thread the other day about comparing RR # of followers to those of James O’Brien and Larry the Cat’s on twitter. Between JO & LtC, they have almost 2 million followers. It takes at least a dozen of the regular RR’s to come close to that number. The ‘large swath of the population’ in the UK is not as big as the BM want people to believe. It’s why the BM made a conscious choice to not show the super excited, very large crowd of cheers to the Duke & Duchess of Sussex at the NY vax live event. It’s also why there is such a hard court press of negativity about the Sussexes from the BM and their tentacles.
Loving Stephen Schmidt’s articles. I hope he stays the course.
It really is just so blatantly stupid and cruel. After the Clarkson article, BP should have immediately issued a statement condemning it, tying it into overall press treatment of women and society treatment of women etc etc. Instead we got crickets.
After Harry is seen in a clip talking about briefings from the palace and what that looks like, we get an article looking exactly like what harry described.
I believe the JC hit piece came directly from Camilla. That’s the reason they haven’t touched it.
I agree completely @Becks1 and @Carty, I can see it coming up as a ‘joke’ during the lunch then off he went to write it.
The thing is, with Camilla’s ‘work’ with women they could have positioned themselves with no mention made of Meghan, just a reaction to the national mood of outrage. I mean we’d have know what it really meant and that’s the issue isn’t it? She was 100% on board and either C3 was also on board or (and more likely in my view), doesn’t care enough to tell her to stop.
oh I agree that it was sanctioned by camilla, so BP felt it couldn’t condemn it bc Clarkson would say “but she agrees with me!”
still….how stupid.
When Harry references reconciliation I think he means the issues that made him leave. Charles and William are not going to change their behavior so no reconciliation. What’s the point if Harry and his family will continue to be treated horribly?
They are choosing to interpret the word very differently (and incorrectly) from Harry’s meaning.
@Louise, @Sarah, totally agree and I am hoping that Harry’s notion of “reconciliation” is clarified in one of his two upcoming interviews so the Royals can no longer weasel around the truth.
It would be better if Camilla did not join in these “meetings” under the circumstances IMO. I doubt Charles accompanies her when she has meetings with Tom and Laura. She said nothing in protest at what Clarkson said. Charles imo also is to blame for not issuing a statement against all the nasty things said in the media about Harry and Meghan. I think bringing Camilla along would be a big mistake. And Kate probably will still go in for meangirling and William is still incandescent.
Harry has been clear from the beginning that he still talks to his father and that there is a relationship there, fractured as it is. The issues has and always will be with his brother – the REAL reason he walked away. Harry is clearly very very angry at William (and kHate thou that is not mentioned) and its clear that William not only leaked/planted the negative stories about them but made the comments about Archie’s skin colour.
Harry will never return to the family fold – he will maintain a relationship with certain family members from a distance but he will never return. Too much has been said and done but both the family, institution and media.
There is also a press war brewing between Peggy and Chuck – the King WILL throw Peggy to the wolves to protect himself and Cams.
Charles should stop the gurning. He looks ridiculous.
He is ridiculous, and a hideous looking little man, with short, red sausage fingers.
It’s highly likely that there is some contact between Charles and Harry but probably not as much as in previous years.
I think William is the main stumbling block to a partial or full reconciliation. The relationship between Charles and William has been difficult over the years and I think Charles and the late Queen gave in to all his demands to keep him onside. If Charles couldn’t stand up to William with the queen for support, he is not likely to have the courage to do so on his own.
Charles inaction regarding William IMO does not absolve him of blame. He is in charge. He could have ordered William to back off but didn’t. He just sat back and let Meghan and Harry get slammed by the media and the pathetic “investigation” by Knauf take place. The Queen was very elderly and sick and Charles was the one to get William under control.
@tessa I don’t think I agree with you about Charles. Yesterday, I watched an interview of William on YouTube from about 6 years ago. He’s not someone that’s going to be told what to do. There is no reining him in.
@tessa i agree that Charles should be taking a much stronger and decisive role but I think William has serious anger issues and that it will take a very strong person to exercise any control over him. Charles is not that person as he seems to have inherited his mother’s trait of burying his head in the sand.
Charles has had opportunities to control william and has failed to do so. When he held the purse strings and William was funded by Charles as the duke of cornwall – Charles could have controlled him them. Heck even after William became the Duke of Cornwall himself, Charles could have dangled Prince of Wales over his head for a few years.
At this point it seems either Charles has zero desire to control William, or just has never been able to even when he had things he could use to do so. And yes its gross for parents to “dangle” things over their adult childrens heads’ to control them, but hey, a toxic family’s gonna be toxic.
And now he’s given an award to Knauf for his ‘good works’ in destroying Meghan’s reputation. What a guy!!!
I imagine the fights between Charles and #1 son have been incendiary and that during those fights William has made threats to expose a lot of his father’s business and personal indiscretions. Hence the immediate PoW titles being given to the Cambridges to mollify them. But William is a seething mass of barely contained anger, arrogance and jealousy, and it will likely explode into the public domain at some point, especially now that everyone is running scared about Harry’s media appearances and book.
“Tremendous flickers of hope”
I actually heard that in CIII’s gritted-teeth, lips-not-moving manner of speech. My god, this entire article is dictated to the Telegraph. It clearly proves what Harry has been saying, but yes, it’s what CIII believes. This is the first time that Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex has been thrown into the welcome, albeit not all the way into the loving father’s arms. That’s just Harry.
“Tremendous flickers” of hope indeed… they seem to think this means something, when instead it’s just an oxymoron.
Substantial wisps of hope…
Dense chimeras of hope…
Damp squib of disappointment…
Blazing whisper of denial
Thunderous whispers of lies …I could do this for hours about the royals lol
Vapour trails of anticipation…ephemeral streaks of aspiration
Steph, Charles is in effect Williams boss. He could have told William that unless he did more work, no vacation for him. If William is out of control he could have been sent for counseling. Charles has no excuse. I notice he had no trouble getting that title for Camilla. Charles has misplaced priorities
I personally think that so long as Harry and Meghan can potentially be useful to him Charles will be open to reconciliation on his terms. Charles almost had me fooled with walking Meghan down the aisle and I think that Charles would love another moment like that.
William seems less phony but more unwilling to see more than a few steps ahead. So I’m sure that relationship is DOA.
Charles showed his true colors at the funeral. Banning Harry from flying to Scotland with the other royals, leaking that he personally banned Meghan from going at all, announcing QEZ’s death while Harry was still in the air, uniform-gate, etc etc
King Charles just have to read the King of Norway ‘s statement on racism against his black son in law to find his direction.
As clear as a tampon!
Am I the only one who finds it hysterical that articles are being written about Harry’s words all based on a commercial snippet? The interview hasn’t even aired yet and they are dissecting every breath to within an inch of its life. I know this is what they do, and I shouldn’t be surprised at all, but for some reason this is striking me as hilarious. The way they completely go berserk in an instant shows what utter clowns they are and how much they lack in real journalism. 😀
Considering the outcry about the Netflix trailers you would think that the British press would be more cautious about the ITV promo. But the real aim was to discredit the docuseries which thankfully failed.
I think that’s partially why I find it so funny–because they do this to themselves repeatedly. They completely flip out into hysteria without any real context. The stupidity of it all is comical at this point.
I’m not so sure that Harry and Charles are communicating. Charles aides speak to Harry’s team via email but anything else has to be confirmed by Harry. We’ll see what he says on Sunday. However you would think that given what Harry has said about sources that the Palace would be eager to prove him wrong. They can’t even do that. What’s wrong with going on the record? If anything comes out of this maybe the Palace will be forced to change how they communicate with the press.
Ugh, it’s besides the point of this article but can I just say “didn’t watch the documentary and won’t read his book” comes across so cruelly to someone who was privileged enough to have supportive parents. They might not understand my degree or work, but they sure as hell take in as much as possible.
How is he trying to sell himself as the regular loving dad when openly denigrating the projects his son has been working on for the last two years? Yet again proving the doco, they relate as business colleagues, not a family.
Charles says he’s bewildered about Harry. I would think that watching the docuseries and reading the book for himself would probably help with his bewilderment. It shows he has no interest in understanding Harry’s point of view or reconciliation.
Oh, but according to yesterday’s brief, Charles doesn’t need to read the book or watch the series – “he knows what he needs to know.”
He didn’t wait his entire life to become king just to have to start paying attention to his son now!
Just because Charles was obligated to have an heir and a spare, doesn’t mean he actually wants both kids….or cares, apparently.
I think its pretty clear what the Sussexes want. It reminds me of a scene from West Wing, where Toby is arguing with a Republican in congress and they’re discussing whether a veto was going to come from the president or something like that, and Toby says something like “I’ll put down my gun when you put down yours.” (oh American tv.)
It’s not entirely applicable here bc I don’t think H&M are threatening the royals in any way, but I do think all they want is for the royals to just put down their proverbial gun. They want them to stop the incessant briefing and they want them to call off their attack dogs in the press (so many metaphors, so little time.) They’re trying to educate the general population on how the system works, so that people understand the briefings come from inside the palace. WE all know that, but so many people just see a headline and accept it as the truth.
As for Charles wanting a reconciliation – I think he does, in his way. and I think Harry is willing to meet him at least part of the way, or he was – and then Charles keeps shooting himself in the foot because he just can’t help himself. The pettiness and cruelty around the Queen’s death just pushed things back more in my opinion.
But for some reason Harry is looking at Charles and William through two very different lenses. I’ve said on here a few times recently that maybe its just because he expected more from William, but that’s obviously just one guess.
Just a guess, but I think Harry is being generous by looking at his father as a product of his generation – as opposed to William, who is of the same generation, who had the same parents (for good or bad) and with whom he shared the same values. The pact that he and William made to never brief against each other shows that they both recognized the trauma that came from their parents behavior, so I can see how Harry expected better from William.
There were consequences of Charles treatment of Diana. If Charles had ended things with Camilla perhaps he and Diana could have had a better chance. Diana imo was a much better parent than Charles. I assign more blame to Charles. Diana never would have tolerated Williams behavior to harry. I think more to the point how their father behaved but will has turned into his father in many ways.
I think it’s possible that Harry gave up on Charles long ago, and never had a whole lot of faith in him anyway. So while his relationship with Charles is also over, it’s Will’s betrayal that still hurts more.
I would have lowered expectations of Charles if I were Harry.
I agree with all this. It’s clear to me the Sussexes keep talking because the royal family keeps up the BS and they want to be clear about what’s going on.
I also think Harry speaks to Charles and is open to an arrangement with him. William is the main issue and the main person who has hurt Harry. It’s obvious to me that Harry is an adult who has sought therapy for his childhood trauma and as part of that has made peace with who his father is. At some point, it is what it is and you accept who your parents are and realize you can’t change them, they can’t be who you need and you decide what level of relationship you want with them. I think in Harry’s case, his main issue with his father is likely the security piece and continued briefing. With William, the hurt is so much deeper and I think again you can trace that back to their shared traumatic childhood. Harry expected better of William. They likely relied on each other as children and young adults after losing their mother and having Charles for a father, along with dealing with the family business/institution (I’d argue them even having a KP press office is the biggest indicator they were their own separate entity from Charles for that reason – but together).
At some point, William made his deal with the devil (or possibly Harry realized his brother had maybe been doing this all along – I would not put that past W) and was willing to toss his brother away to save his own ass. That to me is what is likely most hurtful and the main reason Harry would peace out. Also Harry is not stupid. He knows eventually W would be in control of him, and that is not a situation he wants to be in. Getting out when they did has allowed them to be independent of the firm well before Rage Monster Willy is in full control.
What kind of father openly brags about not watching or reading his sons work? Like that’s something to be proud of?
Hey Charles, here’s a hint. If you’re confused about why Harry is upset, he’s laid it out bare, if you check it out.
They are lying; He watched it. In one of the many articles, they slipped up and said The King was pleased Harry and Meghan didn’t go in on him and Camilla in the docu-series and wanted to meet Lillybet after seeing her in the docu. Later they changed the story like they do all the time and said he didn’t watch it.
What kind of source can tell us exactly what the King did and did not watch and read? Is it Camilla?
What precedent does it set when the King has “opinions” published world-wide on his behalf instead of speaking for himself? And these opinions are about a book he has not read and a documentary he did not watch.
The message could not be clearer: King Charles III does not think for himself or speak for himself. The press does all his thinking and speaking for him.
Charles will never stop briefing the British press on Harry and Meghan, he has too many skeletons in his closet. Harry knows this and that’s why he said he would like to have his father back, but until he stops that isn’t going to happen.
I do not believe Charles and Harry are keeping in touch. A lot of people have a super difficult time realizing that all parents do not love their children. It’s especially hard to realize for the children in question. But Charles doesn’t love Harry — Charles purposefully endangered Harry’s life. Harry’s had a lot of therapy now, and I think at this point, especially after realizing his father is a liar, he’s done on any personal level.
Charles may believe he loves Harry, and it serves his public image to say he loves him, but his idea of love appears to be limited and transactional. And it would be, given how he was raised. We all know he is capable of going through the motions after witnessing how he courted and treated Diana.
“Whatever love is…”
I suspect with nothing other than my suspicions Harry and Meghan will attend the coronation with a delayed celebration for Archie’s birthday, within a day or two after the coronation, they will head back home. From a PR perspective, this will be good for Harry and Meghan as well as Charles, although the optics will signal several messages for those interested in reading between the lines. Having a connection to the King of England as a son has its advantages for Harry and Meghan’s children as well as the couple. If it were me I would stay far away but I have always somehow managed to cut off my nose re spite. I am stubborn and hold grudges. I continue to wish this couple well. My support is not contingent on them doing what I would do but based on their doing what they feel is in the best interest of them and their family.
Stubborn is one of my worst traits. I only hurt myself and it doesn’t happen very often at all, but man I’ve pulled some boneheaded moves being stubborn. I wouldn’t mind a couple of do-overs but c’est la vie.
Agreed.
And honestly the above article confirms what we were hearing while the Queen was alive. Harry has been talking to his father, but needed SPACE from William. And he didn’t even talk about what was said when he got asked during Invictus. I do think he has been talking to his father, and I think most of the press fights during the Queen’s funeral had William and Kate’s hands all over it again.
ChillinginDC, I don’t think Fails has the pull to uninvite H&M to a state dinner. That’s all on KFC. I also believe that telling Harry last that QE2 was already dead is also on KFC’s decision.
What I think is interesting is that Harry told Anderson Cooper in a clip that everytime he tried to do something privately, it got leaked. So, what does this article tell us? I believe one of two things. 1) is was leaked so that it wonn’t happen (Netflix); KFC wants it to look like there’s a possibility of reconciliation when there is not.
I don’t know what H&M will do for the coronation. KFC needs them there. I believe we’re all agreed about that. Will the security risks be so high that the Sussexes have to stay away? Possibly. Does Harry believe it is necessary to be there because of he is as a person–one that he has put a lot of attention and effort into becoming? Does Harry believe after the Jeremy Clarkson article that he owes anyone in the brf a second more of his honor? It’ll be interesting to watch this play out.
KFC is not a parent. That I have been clear about for a very long time. He was always the fk and now the k. That’s who he is and there isn’t room for anything else. Fails is becoming the same (if he’s not already there). He is not a brother. He is a fk and that’s who he is.
I hope that Harry doesn’t end up with RPOs. I hope his security is allowed to carry weapons and get the needed intelligence. I don’t know that I would trust the racist RPOs.
The part that stuck out for me was Buckingham Palace repeating the things they (intentionally) did to Harry following the Queen’s death.:
‘They are likely still smarting from their perceived treatment in the immediate aftermath of the death of Queen Elizabeth II when Harry was not personally contacted by the King before a public statement was released. There was also confusion over a mistaken Sussex invite to a state reception at Buckingham Palace – never fully explained – and tension over military uniforms. ‘
It’s almost like they are reminding us they did this on purpose. Snubbing him and in their minds, publicly humiliating him.
If the Susssexes attend the coronation, the Firm will continue their cruelty. It makes me feel that they do not want the Sussexes to attend so the full attention will be on the remainers.
To be honest, I think it’s the opposite, this is all performative speech. Charles does not want to reconcile with Harry. It’s always opposite day with the Institution.
So, Charles is not “deeply saddened” by much of the criticism aimed at his son and daughter-in-law by the institution? This statement tells me exactly where Charles’ loyalty, priorities and concerns truly lie.
Yeah.. nope. No one believe it
Harry has given his family 4 opportunities to learn why he has taken the actions he has taken. 1) the Oprah interview 2) The Me you can’t see 3) the Netflix series 4) his memoir.
Deliberately ignoring these major communications, then claiming you “don’t understand what’s wrong” is completely disingenuous. It means he doesn’t want to know. Therefore, Charles doesn’t want to understand where Harry’s coming from. Also, it’s worse for Charles in 2 ways. 1) he’s too thin-skinned to hear any critique of himself, constructive or not. bad, bad look for a king. 2) he’s completely beholden to his staff and their machinations. He believes what they say about Harry’s media, not what Harry actually says.
Come on, Chucklefuck. Man the F up and learn what your son has experienced. Without doing this, you have no hope of ever showing empathy to anyone other than yourself. Charity begins at home. If you want to be a king of 14 realms (and falling) then you have to be willing to learn about people and situations outside your own bubble. He’s showing what a piss-poor leader he is, and he’s falling into the Hohenzollern-Romanov trap that probably all monarchies fall into: fundamentally, Chuck and his ghastly heir believe that the UK exists to serve him, not that they exist to serve the UK. Whatever his mother’s failings, at least she was committed to the idea of service, however limited that was. But Charles and his Spawn of Satan heir? It’s all about me, me, me. What I deserve as heir. Not how I can serve.
@lanne 5. Sandringham summit
“he’s too thin-skinned to hear any critique of himself, constructive or not. bad, bad look for a king”
Perfectly normal for a king, actually.
LOL!
Charles has been pushing this reconciliation narrative since the Oprah interview. The whole world dragged him when Harry revealed he stopped taking his calls and pulled his security. Harry said he felt let down by him so now him and his team are desperately trying to get that “supportive father” image back. He tried that a little bit when he lied about paying for their montecito house but people clocked that sh*t when the Sussexes’ netflix deal was made public. Also the only reason we know he met Lilibet and Archie during the jubbly is because of a briefing at the sovereign grant meeting with reporters. Moneybag scandal was looming over his head so his team quickly briefed about his “emotional” (probably crying tears of joy that Lili has blue eyes and pale skin) first meeting with Lilibet. So not exactly proving he wants reconciliation, he just wants to be able to use the Sussexes and their children when he’s in deep sh*t.
Yep, you got it. Horrid, horrid man.
@Hail. Charles said he paid for their house?!? How did I miss that? Was it a briefing, a rumour he didn’t correct, how did this get out? Oh wow what was Harry’s response if any
So Charles is saddened is he? Was he saddened when he allowed the headlines “Harry’s gangster girlfriend” or “Harry’s girl straight out of Compton”, or how about “Harry and Megan have tainted the Royal blood line”, obviously NOT, or he would have put out a statement then. Or was he saddened when the Queen and Prince Philip didn’t attend Archie’s christening, or when he didn’t phone HIS SON to say his grandmother, the Queen had died, BEFORE briefing the press. It’s just more Palace PR bullsht. All Charles cares about is himself and Camilla, and all William cares about is getting his sticky little mits on the throne. None of them have the guts of Harry who is willing to speak out. They just brief their little press minions so that they can SEPERATE themselves from the releases
My 2 Cents – The RF will NEVER reconcile with Harry (& Meghan) because it will put their whole business model in jeopardy. This is the reason you keep seeing all the stories falsely equating Harry to King Edward’s abdication and Prince Andrew/Prince Harry as the same. If the RF ever embraced their own who work for a living; making their own money, and do charitable works the whole jig is up. That is why there is no 1/2 in & 1/2 half out. No immediate member of the RF can be seen as self-sufficient. The Queen knew this, KC3 knows this, and William knows this. They will beat Harry until he draws his last breath.
At what cost though? How long can they beat the same dead horse? All they have achieved thus far is that the absense of Harry and Meghan has become the biggest story of Charles’s reign. It’s the only story anyone pays attention to. I don’t think that Turd and his incandescent spawn truly understand that they won’t get their way (Harry meekly behind them, doing their work for them, Meghan gone forever). There has to come a time when they cut their losses and just move on with their own lives. The only thing that can happen at the current rate is the royals becoming more and more aligned with right wing racists (which I wholly endorse–let the royals shout their connection to white supremacy with their whole chests and be honest for once.)
Perhaps that’s the point. Chuckie & Wills get to pull all sorts of dirty business because everyone is “Look! Harry & Meghan…”.
One doesn’t see what’s happening is one is looking in another direction. (Being done with full knowledge and complicity of the press).
@lanne – I agree with you. Wrote something to this effect in an earlier piece. Essentially, I believe any usefulness of the “let’s blame it all on H&M” strategy is coming to an end. It’s no longer the same ball game as the last few years. IMO the most significant factor is the death of QEII, and the end of almost instinctive reverence for the crown because of her long reign that shielded much of what went on BTS. The UK has serous economic problems and politically, things are a mess. The RF can’t replace the number of appearances done by Philip and the TQ, many former patronages are now unfilled, so the public at large sees much less of the family for whom they foot the bill, while meanwhile Charles is advertising an expensive coronation. Whether the family or the media like it or not, the H&M documentary has changed minds. The poorly handled situation with Ngozi Fulani, and, especially, failure to respond to Clarkson, alienated a portion of the UK public, while also confirming the validity of things said in the series. As a result, many will take seriously what Harry says in his upcoming interviews and memoir. Spare will be a bestseller; Spotify and Netflix are riding high with the success of Archetypes and the documentary. Nothing the RF or BM says will damage the Sussexes current worldwide commercial appeal. Time for a new direction.
There will always be a core group of supporters, of course. And the family in particular can pretend they haven’t been personally damaged by what’s gone on the past few months. But if they continue on in the same vein, it’s either a refusal to face reality and course correct, or a conscious choice, and they will be the ones to reap the consequences.
If Chuck really wanted to reconcile, he would have released a statement after the vile comments of Camzilla’s ciggie buddy, JC. But that family didn’t so much as even leak or plant a story that they were upset or dismayed by the JC comments. There will be no reconciliation until Chuck can stand up publicly for Harry and his family. But that never happens because Chuck and his nasty wife and their minions do not really care about Harry and his mixed-race family. Not their feelings, or safety, or peace of mind.
I also had to crack up that the first article after Harry said they complain and explain to the press and then end with ‘BP declined to comment”….was EXACTLY how that article ended. Is the paper secretly doing that on purpose to show Harry is right?! They’re all just so bad at this. 🤣
King Gaslighter. Charles is exhausting and he’ll never change.
This is just KC PR , just meaningless words designed to make him look good. His actions however make it clear that he has no desire to put things right between his son and DIL. He cares more about appeasing the BM than reconciling with H and M. They are designated villains to deflect from the real misdeeds of RF. Senior Royals have horse traded H and M to keep their own secrets. Sad to say can’t see them changing their MO now. H and M won’t be at the Coronation to be treated badly for a third public spectacle. They were finished when they attended the funeral.
If it’s true then he shouldn’t have too much of a problem putting it in writing to Harry. That’s what he likes right? Everything in writing.
I love this comment @Feebee. It’s like, “Dear Dad, remember that time you asked me to put my intentions/plans down on paper. I request the same from you. Not that I would leak it, because I won’t. I’m better than that. Unlike-fill in the blank. It’s important to me that you put down in words (regardless of the innocent pens/inkwells that piss you off) how much you want to reconcile with me. We both know that the royal rota way to go is the royal rotten way to go.
Please put down on paper we actually mean something to you. Thanks for the invite to stay at your place. So magnanimous of you. Big olive branch on your part. So much better than you speaking out on behalf of my wife who has been brutalized by the British press. Silence is betrayal. But YOU invited us to things(or GMA did). We should be grateful. Anyways, please put down in writing how we can reconcile things. Not a one sided thing either. It’s time for the King of England to act like a man who holds himself accountable & responsible for family dysfunction. XXOO, the Good Son who served 2 terms in the Army and was thrown under the bus to cover up others misdeeds
In the blurb posted above from the story in the Telegraph it said: “Although he [i:e charlesDaCruel] has not watched the couple’s Netflix series and is not expected to read Harry’s book….”
^ This, to me, contains the seed that will be the source and cause of the death of the british monarchy. We prolly wont be around to witness the very end of it but we are already seeing the process in action. And isnt it always true that the journey is more interesting than the destination?
Because how can you be the putative head of an organization and allow it to be said of you that you wont read or watch something that concerns you so intimately. Does charles not know that ordinary people are making the leap to say, ok so if that is a matter concerning the son he professes to love so much and he’s allowing his minions to say he wont bother to see/hear/listen to his son about the things that concern him, then how likely is he to concern himself with the likes of us?
This is the layabout, entitled slacker who gets his minion to put toothpaste on his brush so you better believe this attitude to things is within charles’ wheelhouse.
But it gives me an insight into the thing that has bothered me about H&M’s attitude to betty, the head of the whole shebang when she was alive, yet she never stuck her neck out for M tho she did it for other women. But its just occurred to me: she never did it for those other pregnant women either, in particular, carrie johnson. Betty did it for diana, and then it became part of the machine’s playbk:….they signed betty’s name to statements on behalf of others but not H&M.
If you recall, johnny dimmond himself, who was the bbc mouthpiece who ignominiously told the world that betty objected to a little baby being called by the same name she has, but then he had to retract that and say “BP said that betty said…” after H&M issued a warning statement.
THIS is the reason H&M still honor betty: they knew, long before she died, that it is the likes of the diabolical edward young who are running things in monarchy and betty and now charles are just their minions.
Harry is sorry for his family’s predicament. He pitties their ineptitude. he wants to help them see that they dont have to cower to the shidtmedia or the machivelians behind palace walls.
But the Windsors are too afraid.
The constant references to “the family” – the family no longer trust Harry, the family have tried to reconcile, the family this, that and the other – can we for once be honest and admit “the family” in this case consists of only two people, Charles and William? Camilla and Kate have zero influence over their husbands, despite what the tabloids say about how much they depend on their wives. Camilla’s job is to stroke Charles’s ego and assure him he is amazing, Kate’s is to produce the heirs and show up at engagements (and there’s only one of those things she has been completely successful at). The rest of the family are still in contact with Harry and Meghan and are refusing to take sides. The Wessexes may have been the exception, but their treatment since the queen passed makes their devotion to the monarchy slightly less assured.
Camilla actively courts the RR and The Daily Mail and their communications guy is a former editor. There have been stories of fear of what Harry might say about Camilla. She is no innocent, and probably neither is Kate. I think probably Eugenie is Harry’s only close member of the family. I can’t see Anne being warm to anyone except her own children. The Winkleman woman just wrote a piece in The Spectator supporting the royals and indirectly slamming the Sussexes. You have the thuggish Mike Tindall bad-mouthing Harry at every turn. Sophie, Camilla and Kate clearly mean-girled Meghan at the Queen’s funeral. The impression is that Harry probably didn’t socialize with other members of the wider royal family except his first cousins to begin with. I don’t think Harry has any “family” to speak of in Britain, now that his grand-parents are both gone.
I’d wager to guess he is still close with his Spencer relations. I’m sure there is no love lost between them and the royal family.
If Charles truly wanted to reconcile with H&M he could do so.
#1. He himself, could PRIVATELY contact them, and grovel, apologize repeatedly, beg, offer them whatever they ask for.
If H&M could be so gracious (I can’t. I hold grudges for years) to hear him out in PRIVATE
they all could meet at Balmoral in Scotland.
Balmoral could be less intrusive vs. any place in England, maybe.
IMO, Charles is wasting time in so many ways. He is in his early ’70’s, get on with it.
Any try at reconciliation must be completely on Charles!
#1. Charles must mend fences
#2. William must also.
#3. What a flaming disaster as a Father Charles is, always has been.
Are these blockheads truly so entrenched in their BS that they can not see it is their fault that they no longer can even have a phone call between them? FFS!
I bring my own family disaster to this entire situation.
I was estranged from 2/3 of my brothers for over 20 years. Not a civil word or card was attempted by any of us. Until Brother #3 was diagnosed with less than 1 year expected.
We all came together for him. Uneasy peace. Now? All 3 are gone.
Charles is an absolute Idiot to go on in this way.
In the immortal words of my. Aunt Bea, it takes two to tango. The Sussexes can’t expect an apology while seemingly being unable to admit there were errors from their side as well.
Also as a 38 year old man, Harry should be able to meet and talk privately with his father and brother without Meghan. Harry’s relationship with his father and brother is separate from Meghan’s issues with the BRF.
I know I would have zero problem with my husband meeting with his father and brother without me. They’ve known him longer.
@Val
What are some of the things that Harry and Meghan would need to apologize for, though?
@Val, unless your Aunt Bea is Al Hoffman or Dick Manning, they are not the immortal words of your “Aunt Bea”. Pearl Bailey would be shaking her finger at you for even suggesting what you’re suggesting. The phrase, in simple terms, means that both parties of an argument are equally responsible. Please explain how the multitude of negative false articles put out on a daily basis over the last 6 plus years by the BM via the BRF about Meghan, in particular, along with Harry, is somehow their(H&M’s) responsibility. Along with explaining how Chuck & Willard ever showed any responsibility or accountability.
What exactly are the errors you believe H&M are supposed to admit to? Breathing? Having charisma that others don’t? Actually looking and working as two people who wanted to modernize the monarchy? Being popular? Truly caring about their patronages? Being alive? This is very curious stuff.
Uhhmmm..Harry pretty much explained in the docuseries that they wouldn’t meet with him. Then, Meghan goes back to Canada and all of a sudden, they would. Meghan should have been present at Sandringham. Her and their child’s life was involved. Harry didn’t want to do it on his own. He had to. They took the option away from him. They’ve always talked about being a team. Chuckles & Willard were afraid of that team. Harry went to England twice without Meghan. Meghan obviously had no issues with Harry going on his own.
Harry had greater issues with the BRF and how they treated his wife. They weren’t just Meghan’s issues. Nice/F.I.N.E try.
Val, iirc, Harry said in the docu that he did talk to W&C at his grandfather’s funeral. The problem is that they cannot see beyond the Firm and have no idea what Harry is actually saying. If you remember, Meghan wasn’t at Philip’s funeral.
I am so tired of people always accusing the wife of being some mastermind behind a husband drawing lines in the sand with their families. Have people simply never met men who are capable of determining when their parents and siblings are toxic? Are men supposed to just hang on tight to their mothers, fathers and brother and sisters? If a wife is treated like sh!t by the husband’s family, is he supposed to tell her to “suck it”?
I’m sorry, Val, if that’s the relationship you have in your marriage or with your significant other. That has to be brutal at times. I, personally, would never choose that life. If I was treated the way Meghan was and my husband told me to suck it–I wouldn’t stay. It’s that simple.
Isn’t this the same guy who claimed he was always excited to talk to Archie each week on Zoom post Sussexit, but wept afterwards since he couldn’t hold him in his arms, only to later admit he never took their calls?
Don’t be fooled. This is just more gaslighting.
When Harry said that he would like to have his Dad and brother back as family, but not as the institution…..I interpreted that as Harry’s clear statement that he will never attend official royal engagements like the Coronation, Trouping the Colour etc. again and that he only wants to pay private family visits to them, in case both parties succeed to reconcile.
Meaning that his grandmother Queen Elizabeth was the last monarch he would do official engagements for. With the low key way the Sussexes attended the Jubilee celebrations it was clear that they wanted to break the pattern; they did just 1 official engagement to honour the Queen, made several private visits, then surprisingly left the country before the grand Jubilee finale.
Why would Harry and Meghan attend royal engagements like the Coronation, if it’s obvious they are invited, but not welcomed or even treated disrespectfully by the institution/royal family as we have seen during the Jubilee and the Queen’s funeral.
Harry and Meghan should first put legally binding conditions (briefing stop, security etc.) on any reconciliation with Charles, William and their wives before meeting them in person.
“Buckingham Palace declined to comment.”…….. I mean, it’s helpful to know we are getting information directly from the Royal Family when this sentence pops up.
What a laughable mess. Please make the RF and their centuries-long grift go away!
Yeah, on his terms. That’s not reconciliation, that’s subjugation.
He probably did all those things..which exclude the thing Harry needs..his father to actually stick up for him and to admit his part in the situation.