Here on this blog, I think we referred to “Queen Consort Camilla” a handful of times before we dropped “Consort” completely. Some of that is simply a space issue, especially for headlines, it’s easier and faster to write “Queen Camilla” than whatever gaudy half-measure title the palace dreamed up as a placeholder. Plus, everyone could see the writing on the wall: Queen Consort Cam would be phased into “Queen Camilla” in no time. And that’s exactly what will happen officially:
Buckingham Palace is set officially to describe Camilla as ‘Queen’, rather than ‘Queen Consort’. The change is likely to come after King Charles’s coronation in May, according to well-placed sources. It will set the seal on a remarkable transformation for Camilla in the nation’s affections.
When she married the then Prince of Wales in 2005, it was widely assumed she would never be called Queen when he acceded to the throne. That was because of her longstanding relationship with Charles while he was married to Diana, who famously said in her Panorama interview: ‘There were three of us in this marriage, so it was a bit crowded.’ But Camilla has won around the public, and the late Queen’s intervention in February last year when she called for her daughter-in-law to be known as ‘Queen Consort’ is seen as a crucial show of support.
Now Buckingham Palace is set to go further, according to insiders. The first sign of the new approach came last week when Camilla launched the ‘Queen’s Reading Room’ – without the ‘Consort’ – when she updated the name of her charity, the Duchess of Cornwall’s Reading Room. It is thought that the Court Circular – the official register of Royal engagements – may also soon reflect the change.
A well-placed source said: ‘There’s a view in the Palace that Queen Consort is cumbersome and it might be simpler for Camilla to be known just as the Queen when the time is right. The Reading Room was a sign of that. Her Majesty is the Queen after all. Prince Philip was Prince Consort officially, but he wasn’t known as Prince Consort. The Queen would of course still be Queen Consort so the Palace of course wouldn’t stop anyone calling Her Majesty that if they so chose.’
This was always what Charles wanted and he basically just wore everyone down. It’s not that Camilla is suddenly some beloved figure in the UK, and it’s not like the vast majority of Britons forgot that she’s a homewrecking side-chick who actively tried to destroy Princess Diana. It’s just that no one cares about this heifer’s title at this point. Let Queen Sidepiece have her title, she’ll probably be the last consort.
Meanwhile, William and Kate’s titles have now been formalized too:
Prince William and Kate Middleton’s titles as the Prince and Princess of Wales are now official. Just one day after the Sept. 8, 2022, death of Queen Elizabeth II, King Charles III gave his first speech as the United Kingdom’s monarch. In the televised broadcast, the new sovereign announced that his son Prince William would be the new Prince of Wales and his daughter-in-law Kate would become the Princess of Wales.
However, the royal titles only became official this month, when the Letters Patent passed the Great Seal of the Realm on Feb. 13. The full notice from the Crown Office was printed in The Gazette on Friday.
The announcement read in full: “In accordance with the direction of HIS MAJESTY THE KING Letters Patent have passed the Great Seal of the Realm, dated the 13th February 2023 for creating His Royal Highness Prince William Arthur Philip Louis, Duke of Cornwall Rothesay and Cambridge, Earl of Carrick and Strathearn, Baron of Renfrew, Baron Carrickfergus, K.G., K.T., Lord of the Isles and Prince and Great Steward of Scotland, PRINCE OF WALES and EARL OF CHESTER.”
I forgot how many gaudy titles came along with the PoW title. Plus, they got to keep their Cambridge and Strathearn titles. Anyway, Charles issued a Letters Patent about Peg, but still no Letters Patent about Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet, huh? Oh well.
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If they honestly think changing her job title ‘will set the seal on a remarkable transformation for Camilla in the nations affections’ I want some of whatever they’re smoking.
This is on a par with Bulliam ending racism in football by being bored with it and doing the same for homelessness last week. You telling us she’s Queen doesn’t transfer any of the feelings that people had for Liz except maybe in a few ultra royalist enclaves.
The best! What are THEY smoking!lol
Charles is the most desperate looking king – trying to push his woman on his people in a sad attempt to make them accept her. He is so delusional thinking that people actually care about it, it’s laughable. People care about their own lives and their own problems, not what Camilla is called. They don’t hate her not because they fell in love with her after Charles’ “brilliant” PR campaign to rehabilitate her image. They don’t hate her because people have moved on. He is the only one who lives in this little drama because he is too coddled in his palace to realize that apart from this sad affair, nothing else of any real consequence has ever happened to him.
This is important because there is currently only one woman known around the world for the past 70 years as ‘The Queen’. Now, Camilla has not only erased Diana from memory, she will also replace Queen Elizabeth as ‘The Queen.’ When people say ‘The Queen’ they will mean Camilla, not Elizabeth Regina. There is something so wrong with this and I’m astounded that Charles is allowing it. Camilla was only Charles’s side-piece girl and should have been satisfied with marrying him and gaining the title of Consort, as Charles once promised.
@ yvette I believe Camilla is playing dirty press again. In carefully reading the “source” up top it says “The Queen would of course still be Queen Consort”. That means nothing changes. Camilla is just trying to trick everyone into calling her consort. And if you don’t it makes it awkward.
Yvette, that is the spitefulness and selfishness of the king coming through. Charlie chinless doesn’t care about anyone else’s legacy. He wants what HE wants and to hell with everyone else, but the vain, stupid man doesn’t realise that he will never command the same respect of the Queen, and Camilla definitely won’t. His legacy will be the man who ignored what the Queen’s last wishes were, to put his mistress on the throne and did nothing to bring his family back together. No wonder his sister has nothing to do with him
Now Camilla has achieved everything she wanted! And literally walked over dead bodies for this..
Dead bodies? What are you referring to?!
Diana and Elizabeth, I’d assume. Maybe a sprinkle of Philip, because he’d have been against it too.
Diana, perhaps?
Dale Tryon said she was pushed out of the window when she was brought to the hospital. She was another of Charles’ married mistresses. She ended up dying three months after Diana. I think there was another girlfriend or mistress who ended up dead but I can’t recall enough detail to look it up.
Years after Charles had ended the relationship, Tryon was in rehab when she “fell” out of the window in what seems like a pretty obvious suicide attempt. She later died of sepsis.
Sam, I always said this isn’t a coronation, but Her victory lap
“it was widely assumed she would never be called Queen when he acceded to the throne. That was because of her longstanding relationship with Charles while he was married to Diana“
That is sexist since Charles will be called the King, and all of her sins that they are referring to there, he did equally! I don’t like the word consort, it makes me think of prostitution or polygamy. Queen Camilla sounds fine but when people call her “the queen” it is very confusing because we also still talk about the queen who recently passed away
This is the deal with a hereditary monarchy. The only qualification is to be born from the correct person or married to the correct person.
The spouse of the king is a queen. Their character or morals are irrelevant. And so this was inevitable once Charles married Camilla and all that talk about princess consort was nonsense.
It’s likely why Charles was not allowed to marry her during the Queen Mother’s lifetime because she knew the reality of that marriage. The Queen did as well but she also knew she wouldn’t be alive to see it.
It’s also nonsense their throwing in that bit about how well, technically speaking, Charles was Prince Consort and now he’s just King. Huh??
no, Philip was prince consort. Charles was always a prince.
I think “consort” is exactly right for Camilla. she got to where she is on her back. THE Queen will always be Elizabeth, no matter how much lipstick they apply to nasty old Camz.
and Princess Diana is forever Queen of people’s hearts.
Charles could have stopped the relationship with Camilla but didn’t I think she masterminded the Charles and Diana marriage because Charles allowed it.
You think she told Charles to marry Di? Like because Di was an “easy” opponent? It wasn’t in the crown and I’ve never heard that
Camilla endorsed Diana as bride. After all she and Andrew hosted Charles and Diana many times as houseguests. There was even a comment about that in the princess documentary
Camilla allegedly said Diana would be a mouse and not interfere
I hesitate to bring her up, but look back at that old Tina Brown article, “The Mouse That Roared”
@MoBiMom, that is a great article to look back on though I don’t agree that Tina Brown was ever a good friend of or to Diana. Brown is a royalist. Not a feminist who paved the way for other females. When the post about Camilla/Dahl came up the other day and Cam was quoted as saying something about squeaky mice and roaring lions my first thought was that TB/VF article. She knew exactly what she was saying and the history.
I’ve posted many times now in the last few months my mea culpas having ever defended C & C. I genuinely believed Charles (and his cowhore) recognized the love between H&M and the good publicity/popularity they brought to the BRF. Harry and Meghan made that f*cking decrepit institution look good. Like Diana, Harry (and Meghan) never stood a chance in THAT FAMILY. Decency, true humanitarianism, general love and concern for other people isn’t looked at as a good thing by the BRF/BM.
https://archive.vanityfair.com/article/1985/10/the-mouse-that-roared
The entire system is deeply sexist. A reigning queen and a queen who married a king are both “queens”. A queen is never as good as a king since there’s only one way to become a king. Ask Philip.
Camilla will never be “The” queen because she is a consort. She will be Queen Camilla just like Queen Alexandra, Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth (wife of George VI).
QEII was “The” Queen. Her mother was Queen Elizabeth.
Baytampabay, I didn’t realize that and it’s an interesting point. However I can’t imagine non British journalist will “respect” that and I think they will call her the queen often enough and keep messing with my brain. (It always takes me like 5 seconds to compute)
@Celine – There is a website where the “experts” on titles get into very minute details on almost al European titles.
@bay, you will need to explain that to Camilla, she of the “CR” cipher.
If the official title is too “cumbersome,” then just call her Consort Camilla. Fixed.
Charles forced his mother to put out a statement before she died stating that it was HER wish that Camilla be Queen.
No wonder Harry said that his grandmother was being manipulated….
I believe Chuck negotiated for this because the Queen paid for Andrews problem so she signed off on she will be known as Queen consort. Yes Harry did believe his grandmother had the wrong people around her and those people were brought in by Chuck.
It is really sad that Camilla and not Diana will be queen in a few months. Camilla does not deserve it. She is a racist person who befriends misogynistic liars.
@lolo Camilla fits right in with the entire racist bunch.
I consider it an affront to dignity, honour, chivalry, and decency. It’s an outrage that the crown is going on her head.
“To the victor go the spoils” W. L. Marcy, 1828
The Queen’s statement was quite clear. Camilla was to be queen consort. Not Queen, but why are we surprised, he sold of most of her horses and draped her jewellery all over Camilla within days of the Queens death. Horrible, horrible man
Was it sexist that Phillip was called prince instead of king?
Philip was a mere Duke until he stamped his foot and was upgraded to Prince….
Actually, there are reports that the Duke of Edinburgh was promoted to Prince Philip to avoid him having to testify in a court scandal involving an associate, Michael Parker. And as well, for public appearances, in addition to pacifying Philip’s feelings of having been emasculated once his wife, Princess Elizabeth, became Queen.
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/12/queen-elizabeth-prince-philip-affair-eileen-parker-the-crown-netflix
Associating prostitution and polygamy with Camilla sounds apt to me. The word “consort” also evokes memories of how C&C cheated on their respective spouses. It taints Camilla as much as it does Charles – I think that’s fair.
I actually feel for lazy Will about this. If Camilla wasn’t so tainted then there would be less pressure on Kate. Kate is a terrible princess and you imagine will be a terrible Queen consort. Camilla will make them rethink the monarchy. It would be better if chuck was single.
There are thousands of negative comments after article in dm. C a c caused a lot damage imo to get to this clowning ceremony.
For hundreds of years the wife of a King (and even the husband of a queen) have been called queen consort or king consort to denote that they became royalty by marriage not ny succession. I think dropping the word consort is a mistake. Why in hell Charles didn’t marry Cowmilla instead of Diana in the first place. Cowmilla will always be remembered as a homewrecking woman.
Camilla married someone else after their initial courtship, I think while Charles was off doing his military service. So by the time he was supposed to be choosing a bride and begetting some heirs, she was already married, though in an open relationship. She’d have had to divorce Andrew Parker-Bowles to marry Charles, and even if she’d wanted to do that, her being a divorcee (and a non-virgin!) would have been a huge obstacle at that time.
Sadly, Charles married Diana pretty much because he was expected to settle down and have kids, he couldn’t have the woman/women he actually wanted (Camilla wasn’t the only one to turn him down and/or marry someone else), and Diana met the requirements: titled, beautiful, demure, and a virgin. Age nineteen isn’t nearly old enough to decide to marry *anybody*, much less to marry into that kind of position or to understand and accept that the marriage would never be a love match. The RF took advantage of her insecurity and naivete. It was cruel, and it was no wonder that the marriage was as catastrophic as it turned out to be.
I think The Cow Queen married APB on purpose knowing the thing any (future) king would want the most is the one thing they can’t have. Forbidden fruit tastes the sweetest and all.
Camilla really wanted Andrew Parker Bowles and waited years for him
I read that Charles was a fling and she retaliated because Andrew cheated on her with princess anne.
I though rex or Regina were used by monarchs. I noticed Camilla signs Camilla r when she is consort not monarch
I thought it was just the monarch too, but the queen mother also signed Elizabeth R. She just didn’t use it for any laws.
If anything this will make c and c more unpopular imo.
Came here to say exactly that. These two moldy garden trolls dilute whatever power or grandeur is left of the monarchy.
Absolutely. Not a one of these folks can read a room. The public is not going to like this at all. So stop whining or blaming your unpopularity on Harry Chuck
Tessa, I fully agree. They are a pair of selfish self centred idiots, and yes, just like a pair of garden gnomes
How is her reading room a charity? Who benefits from it?
I’m confused by this as well.
It just switched over to being a charity this week. I think the announcement said they were going to partner with literacy programs, things like that.
And how does she have a Reading Room when she is incapable of….reading the room? 😁
@Betty LMFAO 😭
Blue Nails Betty! 😂😂😂
The Letters Patent of 1917 is what gives Archie and Lili their HRH, just as it did for William, Harry, Beatrice, Eugenie, James and Louise. There was no need for an announcement in the gazette specifically for them because the Letters patent was in effect. The Letters Patent Elizabeth II issued only added HRH for the potential first female child of William and any other children. But again no additional letters patent was issued specifically for George, Charlotte or Louis once they were born because their birth met the conditions of the amendment, just as Archie and Lili’s birth met the conditions of the 1917 Letters Patent. Until or unless Charles issues a new Letters Patent reversing the terms of the 1917 letters patent, it still applies.
No press release reverses an instrument of law, which is what a Letters Patent happens to be and why an announcement had to be made in the Gazette to be considered official.
I am assuming Chuck is not giving Edward a new title anytime soon.
Many online people have commented that Edward looks ill and you can see he’s much thinner in the photos of this tour. If this illness is something more serious, Charles is holding off giving the title because it would automatically go to James. Is Charles this callous? The answer is yes.
Whatever. I don’t think most people care what Camilla is called. But the narrative she was never interested in being Queen was a lie. As for Archie and Lili, I don’t think a LP is required for them to get the titles. But it’s not important now because they live in the US. Harry and Meghan probably feel the same way.
Camilla has “won around the public”. I don’t think so. Also, Charles is a liar since she was never supposed to be Queen Consort, much less queen, when Charles married her.
She’s bribed, seduced, cajoled, threatened, tickled, amused, aligned herself with, and probably pegged the press. And the rotten Royal press is all that matters over there. Hence, the fawning, bowing, scraping, ass-kissing, and bidding they do.
It all feels seriously Shakespearean. The musical version would be quite something. So far, I’m envisioning Alan Cumming as Camilla. I haven’t mentally cast the rest of the lot yet….
“Alan Cumming as Camilla” 🙄🤔😏🤣
Apologize to Alan Cumming at once!
Sorry!
Thanks for coming on-line today Kaiser because I’ve wanted to rant about this in a safe space!
I’m bloody fuming! When she married Charles we were told she would be “Princess Consort” when he succeeded his mother to the throne. Then because of an alleged back-room deal over Andrew’s payment to Virginia we are told she will be “Queen Consort.” Now that woman is going to become our Queen. I don’t care how “cumbersome” it is to write/say QC that was not what we were told at the outset.
What’s wrong with her being “Princess Consort, Duchess of where-ever?” It was good enough for Prince Phillip. Duke of Edinburgh. I would also add that I wasn’t too pleased when I read HER grandchildren will play a part in the ceremony! None of them have royal blood but, we now have to accept that they are more important than the grandchildren who do have royal blood. What I would like to know is who is really being crowned in May? A king with royal blood or the marry-in?
I’m American so I don’t understand the issue…Can you tell me, other than the words in her title, what difference the move from QC to just Queen makes in practice? Or the move from Princess to QC made for that matter?
I don’t get the uproar. Once she married the future king, her position was cemented. Why not call her what she is?
@Slush – I can’t speak for others but, for me it’s that people will see her as The Queen. Elizabeth was The Queen as she was born of royal blood and destined to be a ruling monarch. By being Queen Consort she is seen as the wife of the King but, as Queen it could be misinterpreted as her being the hereditary ruler. I KNOW I’m being petty but, the problem all stems back to Diana.
To win over the British people they told us that Camilla will never be Queen but, a Princess Consort. Although, she was deeply unpopular most people accepted this. So, for them to go back on their word and break the promise they made to the people highlights that their word cannot be trusted. We pay these people a lot of money to represent everything we believe to be good in this country but, if our highest family cannot be seen to keep to their word then why should we continue to support them?
@Laura D the lying is spectacular, isn’t it? The public were lied to in order to soften the blow when they heard Cams and Chuck were making it official. C-Rex is a big fat liar when it helps him get his way. Kate should be scared; whatever they are telling her about how safe her position is means nothing. William is looking just as checked out as his mother was during her marriage.
because “manipulative bitch” is too cumbersome.
@ LauraD, and Charles also promised, in accordance with the queen and prince Philip’s wishes at Edward’s marriage, that Edward would be made Duke of Edinburgh when Charles became king. When has Charles ever NOT lied about something that didn’t help him.
But isn’t calling her “Princess” or “Queen” a distinction without a difference in this case?
She is the wife of a king. She is acting as a queen no matter what you call her. I still can’t get why the words mean so much when ~nothing~ changes in practice.
I do understand being angry that you were lied to, in theory. I guess I’m saying I’m not sure why “Princess Consort” was ever more palatable in the first place. It changed nothing about her station.
I think I just don’t get it, and possibly never will, because I am not a part of British culture, and that’s ok.
@Slush – I’m sorry but in short NO! IMHO it makes a huge difference as to whether she’s a Queen or a Princess. I know it shouldn’t but it does. It also means a lot to C&C. If it didn’t then C&C would not have gone back on their word and insist she should now be a Queen. I’ve surprised myself at how angry I am about this. IF the call for her to be addressed as Queen Camilla had come from the people I don’t think there would have been such an outcry but, this has come from the palace. By going back on their word these people have themselves to have no honour and do not deserve my respect.
#NotmyQueen
@laura. Nothing to be sorry about, thank you for trying to explain to me!
Ultimately I think this is all over my head because I don’t have the connection to the monarchy to begin with, ya know?
@Slush: “I don’t get the uproar. Once she married the future king, her position was cemented. Why not call her what she is?”
Camzilla is a conniving C U Next Tuesday *!$#* who doesn’t deserve to be called ‘The Queen,’ no matter how much she and Chuck uselessly deserve each other.
Anne would be a much better monarch than her feckless brother!
Yup. That grandkids thing? Whew. I’ma have a LOT to say about that. Charles is hellbent on destroying his own legacy for some stank-azz pussay and pooper.
Philip was only a Prince because the UK always ranks a king higher than a queen and they don’t have the king consort title. Victoria’s husband Albert was only ever a prince too.
However all spouses of kings have been queens and so there is no real reason to not provide that title to Camilla because she is the spouse of the king. They only did that princess consort PR when they first married because it hadn’t been that long since Diana had died.
And the Church of England was created because Henry VIII wanted to get a divorce so really the precedent was set for divorced monarchs in the 1500s.
I tend to agree. Queen Elizabeth (later known as the “Queen Mother,” a title she made up to distinguish herself from her daughter of the same name,) Queen Mary, Queen Alexandra… all were consorts and all were called “Queen (name)” and I don’t think anyone mistook them for the actual monarch, since there was always a King around. If Charles predeceases Camilla she’ll still be “Queen Camilla” but everyone will know that the “real” queen is Queen Catherine, another consort who is only queen because her husband is King. If William dies young then there could be two former Queens still knocking around with George’s wife as the new “real” Queen. (“Real” Queen in this case meaning nothing more than the wife of the current King.) Frankly, anyone who thinks Camilla is the actual monarch is paying so little attention that what they think won’t have any real-world influence.
So IMO doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to call Camilla anything else. She’s the wife of the King, just like the others were. The mistake the BRF made was in making that nonsense announcement about “Princess Consort” when they got married. Everyone knew it was a bunch of BS even then.
^^ @Lionel, the title of “Queen Mother” was forced upon the former Queen Elizabeth, wife of George VI and mother of QE-II. The Queen Mother actually hated that designation. Thus, it was never used privately to address her in person.
It was also publicly stated at some point that the former Bertie & Elizabeth (Duke & Duchess of York) would never have named their firstborn child ‘Elizabeth’ after her mother, had they any inkling Bertie would become King and their oldest daughter would eventually inherit the throne.
Yes! @ LAURA D exactly this. I’m fuming too. More specifically about the years of lying to us about their real intentions. This decision means they’ve been massively gaslighting the British public for years. As well as a deadbeat dad he’s a lying 🤬🤬🤬🤬.
Not my King but, most definitely NOT (EVER) my Queen.
Those of us who lived through all of this– the affair, DI’s sweet sadness, the Panorama interview, the death of our beloved princess and future Queen — still can’t believe C&C even remained friends, much less came out as a couple. Much less married. Much less becoming Queen consort. And now “Queen of England”? It is almost impossible to believe.
I infer that the grandkids do have royal blood and that’s why they’re being included. Same reason they got trust funds. Might as well call them FitzCharles.
Hmm…maybe. But those kids look too much like Andrew Parker-Bowles to me.
Generally speaking, we shouldn’t believe any promises Charles makes about his beloved. Even when he said that BS, it was pretty obvious it wasn’t true and he can do whatever the fuck he wants now.
IMO only the hereditary monarch should have the title of King or Queen. It’s sexist to allow the male monarch’s spouse to be called queen while forbidding the female monarch’s spouse from being called king. It suggests a queen is inferior to a king even though as monarch they hold the same position. I think its time to rewrite that sexist imbalance.
This was just kind of inevitable, wasn’t it? I feel like “consort” was only used bc of the initial idea that she would be Princess Consort and then because everyone was so used to The Queen being the monarch, so QC was used as kind of a transitional title. But she wasn’t going to be called queen consort forever. No one called the Queen Mother queen consort, or Queen Mary Queen consort, and so on.
Once it was announced she would use Queen and not princess this was always going to be what happened.
It had been less than 10 years since Diana died and they got married. The princess consort idea was floated to try and assuage some of the people upset with the remarriage. But it was always a lie. She’s the spouse of the monarch and that is all you need to be queen.
It’s also why kate is putting up with so much. She knows the bare minimum qualification.
@Becks1: ” I feel like ‘consort’ was only used bc of the initial idea that she would be Princess Consort and then because everyone was so used to The Queen being the monarch, so QC was used as kind of a transitional title.”
‘Queen Consort’ IS the official designation for wives of Kings in Great Britain. Informally, they are usually called Queen + their first names. They continue to keep such designations even after their husbands die, e.g., Queen Mary. This is true, aside from the case of Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon whose daughter was Queen Elizabeth, thus they had to give EBL the ‘Queen Mother’ designation to avoid confusion. They could have called the Queen Mother, ‘Queen Bess,’ instead. And Camzilla might as well ultimately be referred to as, ‘Queen Mess.’ 😉
I think much of the outrage is due to C&C going out of their way to make this announcement, when informally everyone was already calling her Queen Camilla, and dropping ‘Consort,’ as normally happens anyway. It’s as if they are trying to force Camzilla to be respected! These attempts to force her down people’s throats, is simply backfiring.
Looking forward to seeing Cam’s grandkids on the balcony. 😜
Yep they are now the working royals lol
I’m too annoyed by this to laugh. So Camilla’s kids and grandkids will play a role but not the Sussexes??? Grrrrrr…
Also the palace managed to refer to the Queen Mother for years so I’m not buying their excuse that Queen Consort is too unwieldy.
If allowed to proceed, letting the Kween’s non-royal grandkids participate in one of the most exclusive of royal functions sort of messes up KC3’s dictum about royal privileges and perks being reserved for “working” royals only.
But doesn’t Chuck have the right to give that Duke of Edinburgh title, withheld from his brother, to one of Camela’s grandkids instead.
Kirk, to be perfectly honest, I’m not sure about the DOE. I know there are royal dukes (bloodline) and non-royal dukes. I don’t know if the DOE title is restricted to those “of the blood”, or if KC3 technically could bestow it on a commoner. I think there’d be h*ll to pay if he tried, though.
@Llepar:
It also blur the royal line. Camilla’s children are both older than William and since she was cheating with Charles back in the day….
“In accordance with the direction of HIS MAJESTY THE KING Letters Patent have passed the Great Seal of the Realm, dated the 13th February 2023 for creating His Royal Highness Prince William Arthur Philip Louis, Duke of Cornwall Rothesay and Cambridge, Earl of Carrick and Strathearn, Baron of Renfrew, Baron Carrickfergus, K.G., K.T., Lord of the Isles and Prince and Great Steward of Scotland, PRINCE OF WALES and EARL OF CHESTER.”
This is just embarrassing, and horrendous. Still, I’m looking forward to Bulliam kneeling and pledging fealty to Camilla. At least Harry will be spared (see what I did there?) that, IF he attends the Clowning. Camilla being called Queen was always going to happen, but I think it’s not going over well (based on commentary I’ve seen so far). CIII and the Consort are overplaying their hand right now.
Camilla the Rotweiller won.
She got The Daily Mail and all the right wing newspapers to one side, and moved from side piece to being wife and now Queen.
Cannot STAND her, but she played the long game and won. Chapeau.
Only time will tell if she really won, though. For now, she seems to be winning, but that can change as time goes on. The tabloids have declared her the winner metaphorically. The public may be a very different matter.
God knows Charles is no prize. Pyrrhic victory, methinks.
Pyrrhic victory is right. Watching Camilla in the background as Charles hissed about a pen told the whole story. He is no prize. She keeps her own house for a reason.
Camilla won nothing. I notice some not my queen comments even on the dm. Harry and Meghan and their children. Won big. They left and have their own lives
“Not My Queen” comments will not change the reality. She won and got everything she wanted.
No matter what not everybody loves Camilla to put it mildly. That probably bothers her or hopefully so and some do remember the Diana years and later generations see how she treated meghan.
I’m sure she wants people to love her, but let’s not act like she didn’t win anything. She was broke and in debt when she married Charles – he paid off all her bills. He set up trusts for her kids/grandkids. He protects them. She would not have as cushy a life financially-speaking without him.
She will never be loved because of her actions, but they got her a secure financial future and a life of luxury. She did win a lot. Sometimes the bad guys win.
Camilla and Charles left a wake of destruction. Charles allowed his elder son to oust the younger one. He pulled security from his younger son and his daughter in law and their baby
He and Camilla never commented to condemn the Clarkson article. Charles main concern is getting to be crowned and Camilla getting that title. Charles treated his first wife terribly and i think Camilla coveted whay Diana had. If he were so all fired in love with Camilla he would have pushed to marry her like Edward did with Wallis and accepted the consequences and did not marry to get heirs
I don’t know, I feel like being stuck with that zero chuckles is no prize. she was always going to be a laze-about, no good drinker with no responsibilities. seems to me that she pursued something she’s now stuck with and now she actually has to make a few appearances and live with that loser. she should have just lived off the first husband’s money and that of her parents and spent her days drinking and smoking without having to being a showhorse every once in a while. I personally find everything the royals have to do just humiliating.
Charles finally made “fetch” happen, but in name only. It came at a great cost, he’s got one monster of a son, and exiled another at the altar of Camilla.
Got to give it to Camilla though. She convinced Charles to cast aside his wife and children in favor of her and her children. She got him to pay off her debts, set up trust funds for HER children, hook up her family members with influential jobs, and now I hear that Charles is integrating her children and grandchildren into the coronation ceremony. All while being butt ugly and stanky with cigarette breath and bad body odor. And lazy to boot. The only thing she ever worked hard on is Charle’s royal scepter and destroying reputations to prop herself up.
Years from now, when people talk of wicked step mothers, they won’t think of the one in Cinderella, they’ll think of Camilla.
I think Charles will confer titles on her children. He is nicer to her grandchildren than he is to his own especially the Sussex children. Charles is just horrid imo
@tessa
Wouldn’t surprise me at all.
@Tessa – I have to agree about the grandchildren. Today someone posted that beautiful picture of Harry, Meghan, Doria, Prince Phillip and TQ cooing over Archie. The poster then pointed out that we’ve never seen a picture of Charles with any of the Sussex children. I was surprised and shocked but, when I thought about it I honestly can’t remember seeing one photo. Then as that was sinking in a picture of Charles and Camilla with some of her grandchildren popped up on my feed. When it pops ups and hits you in the face like that it’s hard not to believe “they” want to airbrush Archie and Lili out of the family.
Charles would have to get permission from the Sussexes before any pics of him with Archie and Lili are made public. I am sure that they exist.
@PrincessK – Then if I were him I would be begging H&M for one picture showing him with Archie and Lili (even if their faces are obscured – like they are on the Netflix doc.) The more high profile pictures there are of him with Camilla’s grandchildren, the more people will be reminded that the “real” royal grandchildren are being ignored.
Whoever, thought it was a good idea to go public with Camilla’s grandchildren taking centre stage at the Chubbly needs to be fired on the spot. Even though their grandmother will be crowned she is NOT royal. Charlotte, Louis and George have far more rights to being centre-stage than any of Camilla’s grand-children. As one of the organisers I’m surprised William has allowed this to happen.
She really does have him by the tampon string.
@Tessa: if he does grant titles to Camzilla’s children then he is pushing even more the royals over the edge…because it’s blurring the line. They’re older than William and their mother was his mistress. She think certainly that she’s winning when she really is digging the royals grave.
@LauraD, there exists a group picture of Charles at Archie’s christening, and there’s a more informal black-and-white photo of Charles gazing down at baby Archie, who is being held in his father’s arms. That latter photo was also taken at Archie’s christening and later shared on various royal Instagram accounts. But for sure, no recent pictures of Charles with either Archie or Lili, appear to exist.
@snuffles
“Charles finally made “fetch” happen, but in name only.”
I snorted out my coffee with this line
It is snortiful. Charles, the OG MeanGirl, will be crowned as such.
Evil will always triumph. She did. Evil won. I don’t get what the hell she has to have bewitched Charles so bad (magic glitter down south?), but hoo boy, does she got him like Wallis got Edward.
Hmmm, speaking of abbreviated designations, they could also call Camzilla, ‘Queen Cami-Con.’ 😜
Ugh. I really hope this bolsters the republican movement here in Australia. I mean – just ugh.
That picture of the four of them grinning away during the mourning for the queen creeps me out.
That photo is truly disgusting
I think the Queen ultimately caved because she knew it was going downhill after she passed anyway – the monarchy will become slowly diminished with each new event into the future. I mean, these two at the top of the Church of England is comical in its own twisted way.
At this point Archie and Lilibet are prince and princess (the palace just won’t call them that) – he would have to issue a letters patent to remove, I believe.
Every monarch is allowed to make their reign theirs..
I will never have anything nice to say about this woman. Thankfully she will never be my Queen and my tax dollars will never go towards her. That’s as kind as I can get.
I have to admit, I am struggling to see why this matters. Was everyone going to go around saying “Queen Consort Camilla” forever or, would it have been shortened to “Queen Camilla” when talking about her anyway?
I guess I don’t get why the distinction is important when nothing else changes for her. To be fair I’m an American and ~all this~ is stupid to me, so maybe I just don’t get it. Seems to me that it all became just semantics after she married Charles. Once she married him, she would be acting as queen no matter her title because she’s married to the king- all this handwringing about it makes no sense.
It’s not about the titles. It’s about the destruction that Charles and Camilla left in their wake to make it happen.
I’m a Brit and I totally agree. Lot of fuss about nothing. The wife of a King is a Queen.
My issue is the palace blatantly lied about Camilla not being called queen. They are a publicly funded institution & should be called out for lies just as the government should be. If we didn’t have craven access journalism perhaps they would be.
Even just in 2020 Clarence House denied she would be queen consort. When C&C married they claimed she would be princess consort. But knowing that laws would need to changed for that to happen they did precisely nothing so they knew it was a lie & they would just use Press PR to get the nation used to the idea.
Also Camilla has also played the “never interested in titles/interested in royalty” etc card when that clearly isn’t true. She was the one who persuaded Charles to hire mark bolland to help rehab her image for this very moment. Since the queen consort announcement the press have dropped the pretence that she’s just a humble woman interested in country living & have set out how she insisted on things like hiring a daily fail editor to be their comms person. She’s been a very canny player getting the tabloids on side & I almost applaud her. But at what cost have others been expended for her image.
All I can say is it very much worked in Charles & Camilla‘s favour that Diana’s sons aren’t on good terms
Camilla could never have caused a rift or help cause a rift between harry and will had will not been a sell out and someone who had anger issues
I think you had to be alive and old enough to follow what was happening in Chuck and Diana’s marriage. Camilla and Chuck kept up the affair from day one. Camilla helped choose Diana. Camilla did not adhere to the “rules” for a mistress and inserted herself where she never should have been. They chose a teenager and then gaslighted her. That’s not something you forget. Ever.
I’m in the US, so this won’t affect me at all. I will continue to call her the Queen-Escort, which is kinder than she deserves. I won’t be watching any of the Chubbly or Clowning, because I have no desire to see either of them “crowned”.
They will never be able to “sell” Camzilla to those who paid attention at the time and know what happened. Chuck made a mistake. He should have kept his word about calling her Princess-Consort. I hope he and she get everything they deserve.
Queen Escort or Queen Hoescort-both work. I’m not putting Queen in relation to her.
Will not be watching the Chubbly/Crown Con 2023 either. Busy that day with Kentucky Derby preparations and parties to attend. Would maybe give it a lookie loo if H&M attend with their children. Really hoping they don’t go. Life’s too short to give any time to those @ssholes on Salt Island.
I agree that some of this is silly, but I understand the resistance to calling her “THE Queen.” It seems like that ought to be the designation of the reigning monarch. Queen Camilla is okay with me because if falls in line with traditional naming protocol, or even Princess Camilla, the Queen of UK or whatever.
But those Dahl headlines referred to her as “the Queen” which shouldn’t be done. Queen Cams would work for the tabloids, they can go with that.
Why are people mad? You can’t choose your royals. They’ve gotten away with a lot. They’ll get away with this.
the people can and should choose to stop funding these grifters. you can’t choose your royals but you can choose to get rid of them. the royals need to get off the dole and become functioning adults.
Look at what France did to their royals. You can very much get rid of them,
The big story is that Camilla wants her grandkids to hold the canopy while she gets, ‘anointed’….
This has caused an uproar and a backlash from people who she usually draws support from….
Why is she getting ‘anointed’ and why is she putting her grandkids centre stage?
Camilla who swore blind she never wanted to be Queen.
Sounds like anointing is necessary for the consecration of the former concubine. 🤷♀️
An exorcism would be more appropriate.
And that’s the real issue, for me. I know the RF keeps leaning on “tradition” as an excuse for the crowns, the gold carriage, and all of that, but…honestly, the tradition is whatever the monarch says it is. Charles could ride to the Abbey on a motorcycle and be crowned wearing pajamas, and he would still be king. He became king the moment his mother passed away, and no amount of bling or diamonds or oil can change it. This isn’t a legal ceremony with particular things that do and don’t have to happen–this is a “solemn” religious moment and Charles is the head of the church. They’re pretending that Camilla has to be crowned and anointed *as per tradition*, but almost nobody alive remembers seeing a Queen Consort be crowned during a coronation. The last time they were in this situation was 1937. “We’ve always done it this way” is no defense considering they change the rules all the time to suit whichever narrative they’re trying to push. I don’t necessarily think Camilla shouldn’t be called Queen–that’s her actual, legal position since she is married to the monarch. I think it would have been smarter to leave her in the background and let her remain Princess Consort or Duchess Consort or something less likely to annoy the public. But the rest of this business could easily be eliminated and/or modernized if they wanted to do it. If they can remove the King’s son and a royal Duke from the ceremony, they can certainly get rid of the rest of this BS. I’m enjoying watching the RF fall apart in real time though–C&C are so bad that it’s impossible to clean up this mess. Wonderful.
I thought the whole crown thing was being done for Brand Britain PR and yay tourism for BRFCo.
Well, I’m still just calling her Camilla. Aside from the BM and staunch royalists, most people will likely still just refer to her as Camilla.
I’ll just be calling her:
Evil, sadistic, self-serving bitch who gaslighted, bullied and cruelly taunted a naive 19 year old girl, collaborated with the lowest media scum on earth to destroy her mental and physical health, then did the same thing to one of her children and his wife.
I won’t find that too long to handle as an appropriate title at all.
Well, some of us will just keep on calling her *other* things — and reserve Camilla-the-Rottweiler for more formal occasions. Diana called it. Apologies to actual Rottweilers though.
Yep. She’ll just be Camilla to me at best/nicest. Moving forward, the same with Charles-though calling him KFC is funny-it’s an insult to Kentucky Fried Chicken. Charles the Turd works.
It’s hard to see him as the King of the United Kingdom, when, it’s not as united as the PTB’s want it to be and when Charles is basically the head of a divided family due to his & his wife’s, along with Will & Kate’s, pettiness, jealousy, racism, smear campaigns, physical, mental & financial abuse and xenophobia to run the best out. Great job, Drab Four! The British Media too.
Happy Chubblying! /s
That picture of Kitty’s BAFTA getup with the flowy white dress with the extra shoulder stringer on it, coupled with sturdy black velvet gloves going up to her armpits is sooo bad. Queen Latifah showed how black and white should be done at NAACP Image Awards.
The whitewashing is complete
You can slap some sparkle and a coat of whitewash on rotten wood, but at the end of the day as it flakes or peels or fades, all you’re left with is rotten wood.
🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Interesting that they’re trying to prove their case by comparing Camilla to Prince Philip. Philip was born a royal prince in his own right and was just as much a descendant of Queen Victoria as QEII was, so yes he was PRINCE Philip. Even though Philip had to renounce his original birth title when he married QEII, I don’t think Philip and Camilla’s situations are comparable at all.
There is no comparison, Prince Philip relinquished his titles to marry the late Queen.
In terms of lineage Harry and William via the Spencers have more blue blood than the King, not to mention Camilla.
Prince Philip had a proper career…. He was the head of the 👪, not the institution.
Absolute no comparison…
Don’t want to talk about Cam’s title, I’m not English. Though it’s profanation, IMO.
As about additional titles to Willy the Peg and official roles of Cam’s grandchildren… Am I the only one who feel the stench of revenge on Harry and his kids in Chuck’s actions? In my mind I’m seeing Chuck’s red face and bared teeth – when he was enraged about that pen. I imagine the same face of him when he thinks about Harry now. Harry “the traitor”, Harry who “spoils” his big day. If King Tampon wants Harry at Chubbly, it’s only to further humiliate him. (I wish he won’t go. Hadn’t he had enough during the Queen’s funeral?
Petty malice can be very dangerous. I’m glad Harry has security.
@Gina
I saw that as revenge too.
I think it’s time to stop “anointing” monarchs period. I’m appalled that Camilla is getting anointed as well as Charles. I also think that it is time to stop this sexist thing of kings being able to make their wives queens because King automatically means ruler and Queen does not. I know regnant Queens have a number after their names, but if the husband of a regnant Queen is made a prince, then consorts of kings should be made a princess in their own right if not already one.
You can call a slag a queen but she’ll still be a slag.
And you can call a philanderer a king but he’ll still be a philanderer. The anointing of these two will actually be an exorcism.
I had to cover my mouth to stop myself from spitting my coffee on my screen!
Cam’s grandkids getting involved when this is Charles’ coronation? The UpChuckathon 2023 gets even more UpChuck from me.
Where is everyone seeing that her grandchildren will be part of the ceremony? Was that in a different article?
@OriginalLeigh – I think it may be a separate article. It was reported in the Fail (yeah I know) and the article was tweeted. The article on Twitter is also has a picture of Charles and Camilla at an event with her grandchildren.
It’s not in this article. It’s a separate topic that Kaiser will likely cover tomorrow. The archive of the Times article is up on Twitter. It’s by roya nikah. So ima wait to get into that whole can of upchuck. But essentially what we’re seeing is that, right now, it’s all about the ascendance of Camilla. The new Carolean era should really be called the Camillian era, rhymes with reptilian, just saying. Or the Rottweilerian era?
@rapunzel: yes and their all older than william’s….. it’s blurring the royal line because Camzilla was his mistress during her marriage.
I find it disappointing that Queen Camilla will be officially titled as such after the coronation. As the public has not yet fully accepted her as a suitable consort, it seems premature to elevate her to the title of Queen. This decision may only serve to further alienate those who are still hesitant to embrace her as a member of the royal family.
Camzilla. The Rottweiler. Vile. Scheming. Manipulative. Witch.
I can keep going, I’ve got a lot of things Camzilla could be called.
Go away.
I’m hoping C&C are both struck by lightening as the coronation begins.
Something of a Biblical moment would be lovely.
Rotten, horrible people and the rest of us are supposed to what? Admire and support them?
Fat chance, hell no!
The Queen Escort was always going to be Queen Sidepiece. Perhaps she and Chuckles prefer to put their cheating, gas-lighting and torment of Diana firmly into the rear view mirror, but everyone knows what they did.
Go on, anoint her. No amount of sacred oil will make Camilla special or worthy. All she’ll be is a greasy demon.
So basically because this reading room event was titled Queen’s Reading Room they came up with this whole piece of fan fiction how Cams is now beloved??? No, it’s just what Charles wanted. Period. And quite frankly, when I saw Queen’s Reading Room, I assumed it was named for QEII. And William’s new official title is wonderful preposterous. For me, he will now & forever be Chester.
‘Queen Sidepiece’… LOL!
QS, for short?
My, she’s a beauty…
So Camilla gets to be queen and her children have titles bestowed but Harry may not be allowed to keep his HRH or his children have titles? Um. Ok.
For a guy who apparently “doesn’t have time” for one conversation with his estranged son, Charles sure has a lot of time to arrange for new golden thrones and carriage and for endless negotiation over what titles everyone will get.
Point taken. Maybe in his priorities lay with golden thrones and carriage.
Okay but it’s not like it’s good that Charles is “king” either. Why is it supposedly acceptable because he was born into it? The whole blood vs. married in crap is such absolute garbage.
There’s a point in Spare where Harry cuts himself and thinks about how his family talks about their blood being “blue” and better than others. And he thinks no, my blood’s red, like everyone else’s. The entire idea of monarchy is that these people are born better than you. By freaking out over Camilla but not Chuck, you’re accepting that lie.
I told people Camilla’s children and grandchildren would have ceremonial roles while Harry and his family are kicked out. That’s a wicked step mother.
She has capitalized on the pettiness of the family estrangement.
She has contributed to the family estrangement.
I’m curious – American here, so no knowledge of this stuff. Camilla being “Queen” should not elevate her children and grandchildren to any special privileges, right – e.g., taxpayer funded security or titles not specifically granted by Charles? And certainly nothing going forward, once Chuck bites the dust?
OMG! Cowzilla is having her grandchildren on the balcony?
WTH??
KingTampon is going to shut down The Firm himself.
William, as bad as he is, had better be plotting faster than Cowzilla!
She could still be plotting against William and his kids.
Damn that witch really has no shame, does she?
I hope many protesters show up and really take the piss outta C&C.
Can we donate eggs? I’ve got $10 for that.
Harry must just be shaking his head in disbelief all.damn.day.
Even the Daily Mail site has a LOT of Anti-Cowzilla comments today. That is unusual for those boot lickers.
I know the economy is really tough in the Uk and as an American I can donate as much as $100 to whatever donation is appropriate. Just let me
Know . It would be my pleasure. I will find somewhere to cut corners
I hope when the Rottweiler is crowned with weak ass Charles, they are booed to hell and back.
William is a certifiable idiot. He’s going to have to bow to the woman who destroyed his mother and tried to destroy his brother and family because he’s a jealous bully who chose to team up with the demon who destroyed his family rather than face up to his and his wife’s many shortcomings.
Hopefully Harry, Meghan ,and family will do something fabulous for Archie’s birthday, far away from that mess, that ends up overshadowing the lot of them. Vile, useless grifters. Con-a-nation Indeed.
Lack of critical thinking skills, these moves will compromise the monarchy that will be bequeathed to him.
Self interest could not beat hate.
Interesting…
That Charles would choose to turn his back on his younger son and his family, bring in his consort’s grandchildren into the ceremony itself for no good reason when many of his subjects know full well how she got there but decide to pick and choose which peers and hoity-toity people get to attend the ceremony instead of inviting them all by rote, because of their rank seems foolish. The king should double down on making a priority of the hereditary perks for the people beneath him if he wants to foist Camilla into the traditional role in this untraditional way. Female consorts do get anointed with oil and crowned(Prince Philip, being male, did not) but having her non royal offspring’s offspring in the ceremony at all is bizarre. He needs supporters or at least people who have reason to want to guard the monarchy to maintain their own privileges. Now he’s just making everyone annoyed.
She’ll forever be the “Slapper Queen” to me and I hope the combined outrage of the nation brings this stupid monarchy to an end. Hopefully the Tory party gets the boot in 2025 because Charles will find dealing with a Labour government a completely different “pretty kettle of fish” as Queen Mary famously commented to Stanley Baldwin during the Edward VIII/Wallis Simpson abdication crisis.
Camilla and Charles is good everyone for me. I can’t with the King and Queen for this pair.
As far as I’m concerned she is and will always simply be Cowmilla. And these two degenerates better hope they never cross my path because the only curtsy they’ll be getting is all of my fingers bowing down and making way for the middle one to stand up for a righteous salute. I’d rather vomit for 24 hours straight than watch the white supremacy death cult do their lil ritual with Draculas great grand nephew or the whatever Chucky is the to Vlad the Impaler and their blood diamonds. My distaste has turn to fetid disgust with this band of welfare hooligans.
H&M please at this point even if they make a public apology admitting everything do not go. Please do not ever go back. We love you we don’t want what happened to Diana happen to you. Look what that heifer was able to do without any power now she supposedly queen? She erased him from the household, stuck them in a teeny tiny little shack treated his wife deplorably, cause his mother mental health issues. It goes on, and on dont go Harry we’re begging you we’ll I’m begging you. Girls like us don’t have many men like you in the world. We need you.
This is bigger than Harry and Meghan. Please focus on the story on hand.
The Rottweiler has prevailed. For now.
There’s an old Curse on the House of Windsor. They don’t even talk about it with friends.
I hope something will happen at the chubbly that will have us chuckling and saying “yep Diana’s getting her own back!”
She was the Queen I wanted, not this old bike. Shame on Charles, what a silly weak old fool. Hope the crown slips off him.
Britain is done for, there are people on gurneys and on the floor in hospitals and the once great British military are living in accommodations with black mold poisoning their children and an unfit army can’t fight or even defend Britain.
So you keep on Chuck you’ve given Britains enemies an example of how to ruin and bankrupt a nation.
We won’t forget what you’ve done.
H please DON’T GO TO THIS. Also if anything were to happen you’ll continue the monarchy and we WANT you!
Black mold poisoning service people? That’s terrible. I’m guessing you didn’t find out about it from British media, or if so, it was because it was either too big of a problem to hide or it was because they were trying to distract ppl from other damaging story.
I love the nickname “Queen Sidepiece” – that’s exactly what she is.
I feel sorry for all of you lovely Brits, you really don’t deserve this disgraceful exhibition and these horrible people who are impersonating a king and queen. And Harry and Meghan really should stay away from this clusterf*ck of a show and celebrate their lives and Archie’s birthday in peace and happiness. When people show you what they are, believe them.
Camilla and ****whipped Charles have crossed the line. Her (non royal) children and grandchildren are invited on the balcony when Queen Elizabeth’s own grandson and wife were barred from the Jubbly balcony? Camilla, you are a Disney villain personified. I bet William is horrified too. As he should be.
William is blinded by his hatred towards his brother.
And Camilla has capitalized on the estrangement in the family to put her interests forward. Sly, devious, Machiavellian and a long time in its planning and implementation.
The titles and their formality has been slowly ‘basterdized’ ( for the want of a better word) since being politicized as a punitive measure against the present monarch’s former wife and younger son.
What is interesting is the implementation of Camilla’s plan demonstrate her ever present hostility towards the late Princess Diana, formerly Lady Diana.
(I like the later title, it is bereft of pain and ugliness. )
It is of little comfort that she – Lady Di has been totally vindicated.
She has won the war still being fought by Camilla.
I know this is a novel idea, but it is about how Camilla’s sees herself against other women in her class and specific environs.
She has a dogged determination to be the first……
Unfortunately for her, even when she had Charles, she was and is still considered second Lady Diana since she was an ingénu to a châtelaine.
Camilla has embarked on last time to reclaim what she believe is her place as number one, this time against a memory of a former 👸 who died too soon.
It is an unenviable position she has chosen for herself, it will remain unattainable since it is not real and is a part of her mindset that was allowed to grow and fester.
Her obsession will be to the detriment to her husband’s reign. It is like a hovering dark ominous cloud that has emerged.
From chosing Lady Di’s former dress designer, changing the title and having her grandchildren placed front and centre, by capitalizing on the 👪 estrangement that forced out Harry and his family.
She is doing so by a new round of bot buying and fawning articles from the increasingly unpopular english media in the UK.
Both seemed unaware of the finite possibilities of manufactured consent.
This discomfort is both apparent in the secularized and non-secular areas in the UK :-
Most performers are unavailable for the concert, Adele, Styles, Elton John, Spice Girls, Shania Twain, Ed Shereen etc.
Many volunteer slots are still open to ringing of the bells.
Tradition plays a role in the foundational roots of a Société, it is part of the mission statement of a monarchy in terms of legality and morality.
It would be dangerous to go too far from that anchor, which can be wobbly but remain firm.
It will always being tested from the outside in the form of a better idea…
It is foolhardy for it to be undermined from within due to pettiness, insecurity and the need to win from Voltaire’s bastards.
(That word again).
I dunno……seems to me “Queen Co-ho” would be the perfect headline space solution. Errybody wd know to whom reference is being made, therefore, to also include her first name wd be redundant.
Sooooo………..headline space problem solved and all in the name of truth in reporting, to boot!
This isn’t news and calling her Queen Consort didn’t follow precedent anyway. Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother was Queen Elizabeth during her husband’s reign, as was Queen Mary.
Insisting on calling Camilla “Queen Consort” was always silly.
I’m much more interested in why Archie and Lili aren’t being given their proper, legal titular addresses as male line grandchildren of the monarch.
The queen herself issued a statement saying she would be queen consort.
Ugh, she has terrible teeth just like her husband.
Nothing more pathetic than a woman who plotted , lied, and gaslighted another woman to have her life. F Camila💩
This woman is such a dog. An now she is an. old dog.
No matter what anybody wants to call her, she’ll always appropriately qualify to be called “old hag”.
Cel2495, You speak the truth straight up. That’s exactly what she did, the famous “long game” of her husband. Pure, fragrant evil.
I’ve often thought that Di’s death was a gift to KFC and Queen Co-ho (thanks, Kingston), but now I’m wondering if I was wrong. If Di had lived, she probably wouldn’t be living in the UK. She would continued her philanthropy, but away from the brf. I think she would be living in the US and probably California. Because Di died, the Co-ho will forever be haunted by Di. Everyone will remember it should have been Di. No matter what Co-ho does, Di’s looking over her shoulder. This may be the best revenge, yet.
Camilla seem unable to grasp that she cannot successfully compete with a memory.
A memory frozen in time, forever young and beautiful.
I thought about this when di died and Mohammad alfayed blamed prince Philip. I see why he went to Philip and not charles/camilla. Di became a saints when she passed. Camilla was trying to one up her but with di dead, you can’t fight that. And can we be honest, Charles doesn’t care enough about if the public likes Camilla to have had di knocked off. I thought maybe he did it to get rid of her but her running around actually made him look good. So, while he didn’t help her I don’t think c and c did anything to her. If Camilla did I know she regrets it now.
Camilla allegedly told Charles to have only two children with Diana. C and c are gross.
“I’m the f***ing Queen of England, b*tches!” 😆
It’s all so much smoke and mirrors. She was ALWAYS going to be called queen Camilla just like every queen consort before her. No one called consorts Alexandra, Mary and Elizabeth (the consorts between Victoria and Elizabeth II) Queen Consort X. They were just queen X. They are the Queen consort but it’s not their address. They did it with Camilla because The Queen had been Elizabeth for so many years. That’s all. The late queen’s statement meant she’d be the QC rather than Princess Consort as had been the plan. Her statement didn’t reflect her name but rather her title.
The issue here in my mind is not that someone would refer to Camilla as “Queen” when she is officially a “Queen Consort” (there is a difference) but rather that Charles is making Camilla OFFICIALLY Queen and not Queen Consort. This differs vastly from the situations which you described above. Those Queens were always officially Queen Consorts. This also departs from the Queen’s wishes that Camilla be known as Queen Consort…. she didn’t say Queen, the latter of which is associated with Queen Regnants).
The thing is that.charles claimed she would be princess consort. This did not happen with Alexandra. Mary. And elizabeth. Where there was an announcement they would be called princess consort when their respective husbands became kings.
There wasn’t one because it wasn’t needed. Camilla was the only controversial spouse. They put that out there because, theoretically, the queen could’ve died at any time given her age. They needed to make Camilla palatable. Thus she didn’t assume the pss of wales title and they put it out that she wouldn’t be queen either. Then they got two extra decades of running room and felt they could make the switch because so much time had passed. If the queen had died a few years after the marriage camilla wouldn’t be getting called queen right now.
It seems Consort Camilla will have her day.
Her great- great-grandmother must be proud to see Consort Camilla do what she couldn’t, move from mistress to “queen”.
Prince Harry will do what is best for him, but I sincerely hope the Sussex, everyone of them skip the conoration.