On Tuesday, Buckingham Palace dropped a lot of new information about King Charles and Queen Camilla’s coronation. I’m doing several different stories about all of this, so please don’t threadjack! This story is about, you know, “Queen Camilla.” For months now, we were supposed to call her Queen Consort Camilla, but most English-language outlets dropped the “consort” part two seconds after QEII’s passing. Well, now the palace has formally dropped the “consort” part of Cam’s title too, and they did so on the coronation invitation which was just released last night. The invitation is… colorful. Some might say gaudy?
First she was to be known as Princess Consort. Then she became Queen Consort. But Buckingham Palace’s coronation invitation confirms what most have suspected all along. From now on, it’s officially Queen Camilla. For years, the palace has shied away from answering “the queen” question when asked directly what Camilla would be known as when Charles acceded the throne.
Upon her 2005 marriage to the then Prince of Wales, a statement from Clarence House mooted that she would be known as Princess Consort, such was the sensitivity around the thorny subject. In February last year, Queen Elizabeth II made clear her wish for her daughter-in-law to hold the title Queen Consort.
But the official invitation, being sent out to more than 2,000 guests for the 6 May ceremony at Westminster Abbey, is the last word on the subject. Finally fulfilling Charles’s immutable ambition, it invites recipients to the “Coronation of Their Majesties King Charles III & Queen Camilla”. It marks the incredible journey of Camilla over more than five decades, from secret romantic involvement to official partner and finally wife of the king – and which will end with her formally being crowned queen alongside the new king.
A palace source said: “It made sense to refer to Her Majesty as the Queen Consort in the early months of His Majesty’s reign, to distinguish from Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II. ‘Queen Camilla’ is the appropriate title to set against ‘King Charles’ on the invitation. The coronation is an appropriate time to start using ‘Queen Camilla’ in an official capacity. All former queen consorts have been known as ‘Queen’ plus their first name.”
The royal website will be updated post-coronation to reflect Camilla’s change in title, with Queen Consort being replaced with Queen Camilla, the Palace said.
What’s funny/stupid is that Charles thinks he’s being so slick with this? Like, he really believes he pulled off some brilliant decades-long campaign to ensure that the British people “accept” Queen Camilla, the Sidechick In Chief, the woman who neighed her way into his first marriage. When really, people didn’t “care” about what Camilla was called formally because everyone knows she’s the homewrecker, the side-chick, the mistress-turned-official. As I’ve said for years now, while The Crown never really exposed Charles and Camilla for how dreadful they really were and are, that show completely exposed that their support is a mile wide and an inch deep. Queen Camilla is tolerated, not loved (and she’s barely even tolerated). Just because people aren’t screaming about Queen Sidepiece 24-7, doesn’t make her popular. In fact, Charles and Camilla are both historically unpopular. And so is their Struggle Chubbly.
The palace also released a new portrait of Charles and Queen Camilla. Too much blue – instead of coordinating, they’re too matchy.
Quite the journey.
From ‘there were three of us in this marriage, so it was a bit crowded’ to being anointed with holy oil and crowned in an abbey. pic.twitter.com/BwIGOn2qRV
— Peter Hunt (@_PeterHunt) April 4, 2023
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there are still three of them in that marriage. the ghost of Diana is ever present.
#NotMyKing and #NotMyQueen are blowing up on twitter.
and apparently a bunch of rightwing wackjobs are mad about something Charlie said so they’re posting it too!
@B,It’s trending all over FB in the UK “NOT MY QUEEN AND NOT MY KING”, wonder how Charlie boys ego will handle that 🤭🤭
There is no jewel encrusted crown that can make Camilla a queen. No vulgar gaudy new gold carriage can make her regal. No shiny new throne for her tired old ass can make her a lady.
Camilla will always be what she has always been, and nothing more.
Just a ho.
Camzilla’s coat of arms contains two (wild pigs) boars, one white and one blue. This fits sooo well.
Amazing! I didn’t even notice that (it’s so busy).
In heraldry, the boar symbolizes fighting to the death. Quite accurate in this case.
Wow! Very interesting re the boar connection and meaning. Welp, after looking at the overly blue, blue, blue portrait of these two grey-haired self-indulgent poseurs, I immediately thought of the saying, “You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.” 🤮
IOW, to borrow another apt quote: “What’s the whole point of [trying to be] pretty on the outside, when you’re so ugly on the inside?” Paraphrasing another fitting quote: “A person’s character is shown through their actions in life, NOT where they sit on [Con-a-Nation] day.” The original quote reads: “NOT where they sit on Sunday.”
I was cackling over the Shands having a boar as their device!
The Spencers have an elegant and fanciful gryphon, thank you very much…
I don’t know how many will agree with this, but I was just re-reading some old favorites, and I decided that Camilla is basically Aunt Dahlia from Jeeves and Wooster. Loud, braying, leathery skin, devoted to the fox hunt, managing her husband and spending his money. The boar fits perfectly.
Aunt Dahlia is the good aunt! Aunt Agatha is the aunt to avoid.
Aunt Agatha all the way!
Aunt Agatha, the nephew-crusher, who chews broken bottles and devours her young.
That’s the invitation? Really? It looks like it was designed in about 10 minutes. It would be pretty enough as an invitation to some suburban kid’s wedding that their mother whipped up using something she found online. But… seriously?
Oh yeah, that invite has “First time using Canva and wanted to try all the free icons available” energy.
It looks like clip art. Maybe James, Earl of Wessex designed this in retaliation for being snubbed as a page for the coronation.
It’s giving me children’s storybook, possibly fables from ye olde england type stories.
Me too, l saw the Green Man there as well.
I see daffodils for Wales, thistles for Scotland, Tudor roses for England, and shamrocks for Ireland. I imagine the bird, insects, and other plants all have some sort of meaning connecting the four realms, and maybe the Commonwealth.
The card is different from what I thought it was going to be, but I kinda like it. It’s very springy and very much like Charles because he loves gardening and botanicals. Refreshingly …old. I still dont like those 2 people, but I like the card and the colors. Feels festive.
I like it, too. The illustrations are very Whimsical English Country Garden. My only problem is with the “calligraphy lite” font, which I think looks a little cheap (although it undoubtedly was not!) and weirdly spaced.
i kind of like it too. i don’t care for the green man at the bottom or the font, but i like the nature motif (i would like it even more without the heraldry, but i guess they have to include that bit. it reminds of a cross between older picture books (as someone mentioned) and illuminated manuscripts.
I like it, too, but I love ornate and colorful things. The aesthetic that’s popular now is very much the opposite of that.
It looks like an elementary school certificate for a made up award.
I’m really surprised by it. It looks like someone accidentally printed a royal invitation on the pretty paper for someone’s garden party. It’s weirdly disjointed and informal.
Also Camilla owes a favor to whoever photoshopped her in that portrait.
I must say, begrudgingly, that I really like the medieval floral design on this invitation. And that it includes the “Green Man” from British folklore. There’s a lot of symbolism in the flowers and it would make for great embroidery. (Don’t yell at me fellow Celebitches 😬)
Ah, no yelling from us. That’s all coming from Willy, Chuck, and their rota crew. 😉 There’s defitinitely a picturesque, English pastoral quality about the invitation. Obviously, bluey blue is their Con-a-Nation color theme. LOL!
For context about coronation invitations, there’s an article in Country Living showing photos of past coronation invites. QE-II’s had the cleanest, classical lines. Surprisingly, Queen Victoria’s is the simplest and least elaborate, but apparently it was green. 🤢 Yuk! QV’s and QE’s do not mention their husbands:
https://www.countryliving.com/uk/news/g42655925/coronation-invitations/
Y’all! I was just listening to the Grammar Girl podcast & she talked about the Killer Bunnies that frequently show up in those medieval illuminated manuscripts! Killer bunnies!!! Chuck & Camp missed their opportunity!! Run away, run away!
Seriously, they’ve had almost 75 years to come up with a design and this was the best the palace could do? It’s so tacky. Fitting, I guess, considering whose names are printed on it.
^^ Well, if you take a look at the most recent past coronation invites in the article I linked above, C-Rex’s is probably the prettiest in its use of color, albeit that it’s more than a bit elaborate. I suppose they wish to appear ‘pretty,’ and aligned with the English countryside. 🤭🤪 What a hoot! 🤣😂🙄 Lots of fakery afoot.
OMG yes it is so ugly! Like truly horrible wallpaper from the 70’s. To be fair in those castles in England there were a lot of things gs that looked like tacky wallpaper…including the tacky wallpaper.
The invitation would look better if it were simplified. It is way too busy. What’s wrong with simple and elegant? I don’t see any RSVP request. Is there a cover letter with it to request RSVP and give other details?
It probably included a separate RSVP card.
^^ Yep, @Equality. Of all the recent past coronation invites pictured in the Country Living article I linked, QE-II’s displays elegant, clean lines, as opposed to Charles’ self-indulgent, prettified take. QE-II’s is the most straightforward of all, minus frippery, which was much like her personality and her long, dutiful reign. Of course, she largely failed as a mother.
That coronation invite is gaudy and looks cheap. Very Grim brothers fairy tale.
they are clearly going for a neo-medieval aesthetic that evokes illuminated manuscripts – but it is just too busy and colourful for modern aesthetic sensibilities. Medieval art and design was very very colourful – and a bit crowded. But I think it is very much how Charles likes things – nostalgia for a white-washed past. Just like his opinions on architecture where he abhors modern architecture and idealizes earlier styles, especially Georgian architecture I believe.
They are definitely trying to visually express the ancient traditions of the monarchy – but this kind of aesthetic is just foreign to us. Interestingly, when it comes to neo-medievalist interpretations of decorative art, William Morris’ tapestries and textiles were a lot more successful because he could integrate an abundance of forms/motifs with a more rigid modern repetitive structure.
Love this comment! A narrower illuminated border, with a more sophisticated/moody palette, perhaps?
It’s reminding me of the Prince of Wales investiture vibe, which also leaned into that medieval aesthetic.
@Shawna
It is very clear that this invite is not designed by an artist! It looks like it is designed by someone with knowledge of medieval heraldry, illumination and the general decorative art of the period. And they have simply copied symbols, images and colours.
The primary colors are garish. I thought it was a joke, something some tabloid’s graphic designer mocked up. Don’t illuminated manuscripts use richer tones–gold, burgundy, dark blue and use much less white space?
@Arthistorian, your comments about William Morris’ tapestries and interpretations are fascinating! Thank you for sharing.
@Harper
Medieval tapestries and and interior decoration were originally MUCH more colourful than we generally think because colours fade over time.
@Roo,
A few years ago I went to an exhibition on William Morris – and he’s such an interesting artist who delved into various disciplines, writing and printing novels, designing furniture, textiles and tapestries. His work is gorgeous. The exhibition in question even used his tapestries on their walls!
@ArtHistorian I totally agree and i think the invitation reads as very English and very Charles in his aesthetic. The inclusion of the Green Man is their nod to their ancient mythical roots – I think they’re really trying to push the “sacredness” of the Coronation.
So interesting your comment about William Morris textiles being easier for modern eyes to accept in its structure.
@ Art Historian, I adore your contributions as they always surprise and peek my interests into your professional input all while providing valuable insights of the origins!!! Thank you for happily sharing these important and the striking significance at play as well.
@BothSidesNow,
Thank you for your sweet comment. I can really recommend looking up William Morris and the Arts and Crafts Movement. It was more than just producing art but about creating an entire aesthetic lifestyle based on handcrafted objects as opposed to the growing industrialism. He was very invested in educating and creating better environments for the working people. However, his products were and are too expensive because they are produced by hand in a period of the industrial mass production of cheaper goods.
Thank you ARTHISTORIAN. I am off to look up William Morris😊
@ArtHistorian, I add my thanks too! Your wise, informative review of C-Rex’s invitation, along with your educational comments about William Morris and the era of the Arts & Crafts movement, is true to your chosen user name. 👍
@ArtHistorian said: “… nostalgia for a white-washed past. Just like his opinions on architecture…”
Oh exactly! 🎯 💯 You hit the nail on the head. Chuck wants everything truthful and painful swept under the rug. He refuses to acknowledge his sins, much less accept the truth about his gilded cage entrapment, the tired old, corrupt institution he heads in name only, and the overwhelming fact that the monarchy is in tatters. Moreover, he doesn’t wish to see that the Chubbly is an extravagant joke, his consort isn’t fit to be Queen, and his reign will be unblessedly short and scandalous. He needs to stop blaming and aiding in abusing his youngest son because he, the Emperor, ‘has no clothes!’
It looks like the invitation to a baby shower. I think there is a similar design I used on Paperless Post.
I thought of baby shower too!
It’s something shower-esque but certainly not a Con-A-Nation level invitation.
I thought that it would have been a simple background with detailed script detailing the date whilst highlighting the purpose of the as well. A simple plain background with the importance to play into “the” role of the invitation.
Is that a green cabbage head at the bottom? I’m so confused.
It’s a Green Man, a very ancient symbol of spring and rebirth. They’re found all over the world, but the British have always seemed to be particularly fond of them.
Lol! It’s a Jack-in-the-Green figure. A medieval bearded figure consisting of or surrounded by plants & leaves, often found in churches etc. He symbolises wild nature, growth, proliferation, the spirit of the Land. Together with the floral abundance we’re going for ‘even nature blesses us’ I guess. I think they should be careful what they wish for, because Jack-in-the-Green aka Robin Greenfellow is also known as a trickster & an agent of chaos. Let’s invoke him by all means 😁
It is a Green Man – it is a very old motif in medieval architecture. The imagery of this invitation is very medievalist in its expression and that is why it looks odd to modern eyes.
It’s a Green Man. Medieval Pagan symbol of fertility often found tucked away in the ceilings of old churches.
Lol 😁 no. It’s The Green Man. A throwback to pagan beliefs that symbolise rebirth. Quite common in Britain. But it’s getting quite a bit of 👀 here given that this is a “Christian” country with a coronavirus happening in a Christian church
Is “coronavirus” an autocorrection of “coronation”? Because it’s a very apt one for this toxic, diseased event.
Hannah, I love that the Green Man is already coming out to play, messing with people’s autocorrect, turning “coronation” into “coronavirus”
Oh ffs 🤦♀️ yup. My phone refuses to learn this ‘new’ word. It automatically autocorrects. I didn’t even notice 🤭 Whoops
I am really wondering about the usage of the green man here. As far as I know the church oppressed all those ancient beliefs in its origin and annexed it into their own religious – isn’t that right?
The green man is all over churches and cathedrals in the UK.
Maybe the green man is trying to tell us Camilla is pregnant…
What a disappointing photo for an official portrait of a royal couple. He has his chubby hand in his pocket and she is in a frumpy house dress.
How can they be getting it THIS wrong????
I hate those zipper on the front dresses and she seems to have a bunch of them.
@Mamasan the portrait is awful! Way too much blue, and not in a good way. You’d think a photographer would have suggested something different.
@Gabby I also hate the front dress zippers. This one is particularly bad for some reason. Burn the whole thing
Wow. Thank you all on the comments! I legitimately thought it was a cabbage patch kid but old 😂! Love how I can find out such interesting facts here. The Green Man for spring and rebirth just doesn’t seem to fit Charles and Camilla though.
@Jais, I had no idea who/what he was either, if that makes you feel better! So thank you for asking.
No lie, all day it’s been bothering me bc I wasn’t aware of the green man history and thought it looked like an old cabbage patch baby but….I finally figured it out! There’s a Green Man Brewery in Asheville NC and I think there’s a tiny image of the green man on the beer cans. 😂😂😂of course it’s the beer that was pinging my memory.
I used to go to the Renaissance Fair in upstate NY and you’d see the Green Man motif featured everywhere.
I have always been fascinated by the Green Man especially those carved in stone inside and outside buldings. some scary some mystical some cute.
But look, they added Forget Me Nots to the Green man’s Crown! Forget Me Nots are supposedly Princess Diana’s favorite flower.
And the Green Man they chose has kind of cute /baby looking eyes upper face BUT that center leaf where the mouth should be is weird and kind of scary
–and very unusual for *historic green man/s carved or painted. Scary to me; cuz
usually you see the mouth
–and mustache and beard are leaves of different types…
Why did they choose forget me nots/crown for green man and why the unusual leaf coming out like a tongue -or like a gag….
This is photoshopping at the highest level, cowmilla looks like beef jerky in untouched photos.
Chucky official portrait artist used an old photo of chucky. Who is looking shabby these days.
That’s the first thing I noticed, too. Photoshopped to the max, such that they look like wax figures in Madama Tussauds. Unless, of course, she’s just had major cosmetic surgery…? Does anyone know if she’s been under the knife recently? I don’t think her “famous” bee venom facials would account for such drastic changes in her appearance.
Thar is a very busy invitation. I would have expected a simpler, more elegant invitation to a coronation. The font screams Karen wedding..
Aa for Queen instead of Queen Consort…. no surprise there. Charles gonna Charles.
Camilla gonna Camilla .
Actually @Rapunzel, check out the Country Living article I linked above, which features coronation invitations from George IV through C-Rex III. It’s clear that married-in wives have been referred to on coronation invites as ‘Queen,’ along with their first names. Officially, they are all Queen Consorts, but the ‘Consort’ is rarely used when referencing them. Thus, the main unfortunate precedent Charles has set is elevating his gentry side-piece to actual Queen status in the first place, by selfishly marrying her. Especially when both of his sons had pleaded with him not to do so.
Also, the fact is that Queens Adelaide, Alexandra, and Mary were all blood princesses at birth. Plus, Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, the former Duchess of York, was of English and Scottish nobility. For uber class-conscious Britain, their current Queen Consort is merely adulterated gentry. 😱
I didn’t mention debauched King George IV’s wife, Lady Caroline of Brunswick. He despised her for many valid reasons, as discussed in the below-linked revealing article. She was publicly banned from attending her husband’s coronation. This article is must reading. It’s a bit of royal history that sheds light on the unbelievable scandals of the Hanover era. These are C-Rex III’s deserved ancestors: 😳
https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Queen-Caroline/
If George and Caroline daughter Charlotte had survived there would be totally different royal family maybe that would have been a good thing considering
^^ For sure @Tessa, I’ve read about George IV’s daughter, Princess Charlotte, dying in childbirth, and that she was well-liked and popular with the public. She must have been vastly different in character and sensibilities from her unbelievably raunchy, scandalous mother!
That invitation looks like one for a 5 year old’s birthday party at Chuck E Cheese. (Meghan could have designed something better 🌚) And what do they have against aging? They’ve airbrushed their souls out of that photo and Camilla’s right arm looks like it’s been photoshopped out. Everything is a mess.
They really missed a chance with Megan. Carole midds could’ve used megan to help unload party pieces stuff. Like with lilbeth birthday party. Just give harry a box of decorations. You know he would’ve set up a table. Give Megan’s friends a coupon code. Most of them work in pr so it’s perfect.
Charles could’ve gotten her to do little invites. It would’ve been cute cause it family.
Who’s Megan?
The adult coloring book invitation (maybe Keen colored it in for them?) appears to contain flowers from UK (and CW?) countries…hmmmm now where have we seen this before?
These two really disgust me. They can take their airbrushed portrait and stick it up their bums. And, speaking of bums, why does it look like that unicorn on the right side is being pegged? Under its tail? Is that a shoutout to William?
Speaking of William…I cannot WAIT for some of the other threads today 🔥
It really does look like an adult coloring book.
It looks like clipart. Or maybe a placemat. I did wonder if Keen designed it, but that would have required her to do anything, so likely not. Whoever did design it is lazy, though. They really do not employ the best people.
It reminds me of some bookplates I bought at Past Times in England years ago. Only with more color. It also looks poorly balanced-I think the two sets of coats of arms are too large & poorly placed (although I understand why they are where they are), and outweighs the centered Green Man (should have been Robin Hood) at the bottom. And the margins don’t look quite right. I keep thinking the image got cut off at the bottom some how; it would have been better to have the border of flowers the same width all the way around.
@SsussexWatcher LMFAOOOOO that is exactly what it looks like!!
If I didn’t know the invitation had been designed by a heraldist at the College of Arms, I would have said it had been made at Party Pieces!
This busy invitation with medieval styling certainly goes to show this goofus has no intention of modernizing. What a wasted opportunity.
And the Queen of Tarts will never replace Diana the queen of our hearts.
Medieval styling was SO much better.
Well we knew this was coming but somehow seeing it written out like that is still jarring. Her Majesty Queen Camilla.
I think it’s safe to say that for the foreseeable future anytime most people hear reference to the queen they will still think of Liz. They can call the sidepiece what they want, it doesn’t automatically bestow acceptance and respect.
‘Their’ coronation. ‘Their’ annointing. Wowzers!
@Becks, ITA. But I agree with Sarah— every adult alive now will pretty much always think of Queen Elizabeth as the “real” Queen, and Camilla as…the dollar store version, the former mistress.
Charles can try to dress it up as much as he wants, but people see their photos and just think of cruel adulterers and are reminded of Diana. There is SO much Diana stuff on Twitter today, and I imagine it will spike even more on May 6th. Because all Camilla does is remind people of who should rightfully be there, and how she was treated by these two vile creatures.
I anticipate that we will see Her Majesty The Queen in formal things very soon. It was how the queen mother was referred to when King George VI was alive.
Charles basically lied when he said Camilla would never hold the title of Queen. It was also a lie that Camilla never wanted the title. Plus the photo looks like they didn’t actually pose together for it.
Ever since he’s become king Charles has demonstrated that his word is worth nothing. This man is just completely untrustworthy.
The monarchy is a throne of lies. Lying is as natural as breathing for them.
This is what sickens me. In the fallout after Diana’s death, when Chucky and Camzilla got married, the public vociferously declared they never wanted this woman to be Queen. The Palace soothed everyone’s ruffled feathers with their slick lies that Camzilla’s title would NOT be “Queen”, but “Princess Consort”. Then last year, QEII suddenly announced that she expected Cammy to be titled “Queen Consort”, no doubt because Chucky coerced the Queen (while she was very ill and frail) into making this decision. It’s obvious that Cammy wears the pants (or in this case, the crown) in that relationship. Charles will be King in name only; the force behind the crown is Her Royal Homewrecker Camilla.
It is “interesting” that the green man has appeared on the invitation, nothing like incorporating a bit of paganism into a christian ceremony. Then again as rulers were definitely around before Christianity perhaps this is a subtly warning to the church. I personally like the decoration, if the shields were removed and the borders a bit narrower, I’d love to use this as letter writing stationary! 😀
The pagan meaning of the Green Man is in doubt – especially since it has been so widely used in church architecture over centuries. We have to be very careful about so-called pagan symbols because of a lot of Victorian and Edwardian interpretations misunderstandings and straight up inventions.
The Norman “British” rulers were most definitely NOT around before Christianity. This is appropriation.
IF the Green Man was a pre-Christian pagan symbol (and there is actually doubt about this in academic circles) then it no longer is because it has been appropriated by Christianity. Just like several of the symbols of the Virgin Mary were co-opted by the Christian Church. That doesn’t mean that those symbols are still essentially pagan because the meaning of any symbol is determined by its use. The pagan origin of these kind of co-opted Christian is now nothing more than a vestige, a remnant of a past long gone.
A more recent example of how the appropriation of symbols work is the swastika. It is an ancient Sanskrit symbol but almost no one connects it with this past because Hitler and his regime appropriated it and now it functions overwhelmingly as a symbol for white supremacy and fascism. Because that is what it is used for now.
@ArtHistorian — True, but I still think it’s an attempt to pretend that they have roots stretching far into the past of the British Isles when they very much do not. Like grabbing on to the legends of King Arthur, which are Welsh.
What I just realized though is that there is no Christian symbolism on this. No cross. That’s very strange for an event that is supposedly blessed directly by the Christian god (specifically the Church of England version.)
Charles said he wants to be a representative to all–paraphrasing. However the lack of Christianity is shocking. I think William and Kate is more striking. I dont think kate is Christian at all.
If the church isn’t involve then it’s just some people decided who will be king. In that case england should vote on the next king line. Do they want to stick with William or move on.
I’m bad for saying this- I hope Camilla misses the Chubbly by breaking her legs or something. I feel bad for Harry, how he must be feeling about this homewrecker taking his mother’s place.
And I’m bad for laughing. Although chucky would reschedule the entire Con-a-nation for his nasty side piece.
I think Harry would feel worse if his mother was still married to this useless dithering coward.
I do not feel bad for agreeing with you!
Looking so happy less than a year after his mother died. And of course removing consort term like his mother wanted. Some dm comments are scathing. The c and c fans slam Diana and the queen in some comments on dm. Diana moved after Charles dumped her and the queen did not forbid him from marrying Camilla way back when
At least at the funeral he looked sad and was tearing up. Kate and a ton of cousins/spouses was so happy to be there. They smiled and giggled while waving. It was awful. I understand being happy that a religion person is doing a homecoming but that was ridiculous. Grounds for divorce.
Camilla wears one of the house coat style dresses.
“The woman who neighed her way into his first marriage.” I can’t top that so I won’t even try.
I laughed out loud
Did they do that God awful invite through Shutterfly? Have to save $$ somewhere
So you have a child-man finally getting his crown at the young age of 74, alongside one of his whores, the ugliest, the dirtiest, the most vulgar one, an adultress herself.
In the cortege, we’ll have the heir’s mistress’s gay husband, followed by the heir’s bastard, the hoe’s grandchildren, the drug dealer’s offsprings and one of the heir’s traumatized child will be allowed to bow to the woman who bullied his grandmother and stole her crown.
A panty-flashing chav will be wearing dead women’s bling while trying to hold the hand of the heir, her spouse, who hates her face.
Harry will be fine
@WOW. You clearly have a talent for distilling a description of what’s actually going on to its purest essence. Your exposition of those involved in the coronation abbey procession should be the official one being broadcast on con-a-nation day imo. It would definitely be the most accurate by a country mile. Ever thought of becoming a ‘royal expert’ the ‘profession’ is woefully short of honest ones.
@WOW Couldn’t have said it better if I’d worked for a week. Thank you. They may consider themselves to be “royal.” But their behaviour is vulgar, common and unbelievably tacky/trashy. How sad. One of the loveliest, compassionate, deeply caring woman wasn’t good enough for Chucky, He just had to choose Camilla.
I won’t be watching the “spectacle” but Diana will be in my thoughts all day.
Harry, you and Meghan were so wise to leave all this disgusting behaviour behind! Well done.
I, too will be thinking of Diana and how she would be celebrating Archie’s birthday with him and his family in sunny California on May 6th. It seems that the coronation will be a obscene freakshow of adulterers and wannabes wearing stolen jewels while the rest of Britain freezes and goes hungry.
Airbrushed and photo shopped to th nth degree
Coming from a staunch Gothic revival lover, this invite gives me joy.
I was just reading an article about the designer- a Bermondsey boy! Brother of the Art Workers’ Guild, he trained in heraldry and manuscript illumination and has worked for Colin Powell in the past. For this he inspired himself from medieval Book of Hours and tapestries and added the Green Man to reflect Charles’ interest in the environment.
He didn’t even tell family he was submitting a design as it was all top secret.
I guess it looks very old-fashioned to modern eyes, but I love it so much! In real life with the gold detailing it must look gorgeous.
As a republican I don’t care much for the coronation but I would love to get an invite as a keepsake.
Happy to find at least one other person here who likes the invitation! I think it’s very pretty and fresh and Spring-like and I love all the detail.
I like it too. To me it looks joyful.
I love it too. The abundant life and joy of it. I checked out the craftsman Andrew Jamieson’s website and he has impressive training and decades of experience. I am a republican (small “r”) as well, but there is really no need to knock an artisan bc you dislike the royals. It can’t be easy to make a living as an illustrator/tapestry maker, so maybe direct your irritation at the real source — the royals. Also shout out to Bermondsey.
I’m with you – I’m a small r republican and want the royals gone yesterday. But I do think this invitation is beautiful.
Not the look I would have expected. It does indeed look like a page from an illuminated medieval manuscript. It would be a lovely invitation to a jubilee. I notice there is no time indicated. Would that be considered too gauche for a coronation invitation or is the exact time still in flux?
I like the florals and can definitely see the medieval references, I just don’t think it fits with the heavy handed coat of arms, and it seems too informal for the occasion.
HandforthParish – Thanks for the info on the designer. Interesting to see real artists’ backgrounds, and works that aren’t DALL-E2 / AI generated.
Camilla was promised to the nation as a Princess Consort when Charles become King. Can this promise or pledge be broken or remove so easily without consequences. Is it not morally binding.
That’s the problem with monarchy. No accountability. Charles can lie, cheat, steal, and abuse his son. Everyone is expected to shrug and move on.
Morally binding? Think about the past behaviours of the two people under discussion. They didn’t even consider their respective marriage vows to be morally binding. Morality is not a concept I think these two have even a passing acquaintance with. The British upper class considers moral behaviour to be something quite bourgeois and beneath their untouchable aristo/royal status. The monarchy really, really needs to be abolished once and for all.
The c and c fans blame Diana or some do in dm comments. However Diana moved on after Charles dumped her after he got heir and spare. And Charles is head of church and was calling up Camilla on his honeymoon with Diana and did not marry diana in good faith and ended up marrying the other woman.
To me, it looks like an invitation that would be sent for someone’s coronation party, where everyone is instructed to wear paper crowns. Bought at Party City.
I wonder if this was the exact invite H&M received in their email inbox. I’m guessing every detail symbolizes something but it’s a bit much from looking at it for more than a couple of seconds. It really hurts my eyes!
Yesterday the DM said 2000 lucky recipients will find one of these invitations on their doorstep this week. They made it seem these invites were for the common folk?
1) the Princess Consort thing was always so much BS. She automatically became the Queen consort when the queen died and always would. If Elizabeth had died a few years after the wedding then they would’ve used it for awhile and then transitioned. There’s no precedence for it.
2) If it was used for however long she would’ve been Camilla, the Princess Consort. Or the Princess Consort. Just like Albert, the Prince Consort or just PC. Or Catherine, Princess of Wales or just PssOW.
3) the QC thing was ALWAYS meant to be temporary to distinguish from the late queen in the short term. So, short term, QCC or the QC.
4) No QC is ever called QC [insert name]. It’s a title. She’s Camilla, the QC or Queen Camilla. Period.
They’ve made it so unnecessarily muddled. Unsurprisingly.
Why I does it look like Homilla is wearing a sleeping robe from Sears in her official photo? Why are Charles’ lips so red in every photo we see? Have the courtiers never heard of Vaseline or lip masks?
Charles’ eyes look weird, too. Glad he is hiding his sausage fingers.
I’ve followed the spectacle with some thoughts on the shenanigans. Here are my thoughts:
Invitation:
The invitation does not look like a document I would have expected from a prominent royal institution. It looks rather childish to me.
Photo:
The photo does not look to have been taken out together. It seems two separate photos were merged and photoshopped. Camilla’s entire right arm seems to have been chopped off to merge her with Charles. Seems the wrinkles on her face were cleared but the wrinkles on her left hand were not.
Coronation:
Since monarchies rely extensively on propaganda to survive, I am not surprised about the manner in which Camilla and Charles’ ascension has been handled. The Church of England was established by King Henry VIII to marry be anointed King with new wife and Queen, Anne Boleyn. Catherine of Arogan, who was very much alive at the time of Henry’s marriage to Anne, was his wife in the eyes of God and the Catholic church. There was no divorce from Catherine and the Catholic Church did not annul Henry’s marriage to Catherine. The way it was documented in history ……..Henry separated from Catherine in July 1531. On May 23, 1533—five months after he married Anne Boleyn—he had his own archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas Cranmer, annul the marriage to Catherine.
Hence what is happening with Charles and Camilla should be of no surprise. The Church of England was established upon adultery for the monarch to uphold his adulterous union. The ultimate propaganda is that the anointing validates the adulterous union in the eyes and minds of the monarch’s subjects.
Note, Camilla is not widowed and therefore in the eyes of God and the church is still the wife of Andrew Parker Bowles. He and Camilla were married in the Catholic Church. Hence the importance of the public coronation of Camilla and Charles to affirm the union in the minds of those who witness it in the UK and around the world. Cheers to the Church of England, the ultimate propaganda vessel for the British monarchy.
Are Henry VIII and Charles III, masters of propaganda? That’s a question to ponder.
The invitation is laughable, not appropriate for a dignified (cough, cough) occasion.
The. Dm has a companion article to the invitation story. Diana’s supposed friend Richard kay praises Camilla to the skies. I guess he wants to be sir richard.
Charles nephew the earl of Wessex james was snubbed and not named a page
To my eyes, James looked particularly uncomfortable during royal photo ops, perhaps he declined to participate? It does bother me that Homilla is now designated Queen, it ignores Elizabeth’s stated desire. Those two have no shame and think the rest of us have no memory.
And it was obvious she was under duress when she said “queen consort”. People really thought she was dead and replaced with a clone after that!!!
Elizabeth 2 legacy is trash. They may as well give another relative branch the job when Charles passes on.
If Camilla died today, would Charles continue on with the May coronation?
Does he love her (or anyone) enough to defer his party?
So is the cult really happy with the Side Piece as Queen? They seem to be obsessed with archaic rules of the monarchy. I don’t get it.
It’s the font that kills me. It reminds me of the SNL sketch for Papyrus. Like some kid had to hand in a book report on medieval times and just highlighted the text and chose a font that was “old-timey yet legible.”
A timely reminder – Camilla is Queen as dictates by her husband on her command.
She is not Queen Regent as was the late Queen Elizabeth11.
A major distinction….
Despite how much power Camilla wields due to ‘pillow talk’ she is NOT the Queen Regent.
That is a designation due to birth and DNA.
Camilla is unlike Princess Diana who can trace her lineage to King James 1.
I can trace my lineage to a bunch of royalty too. It means squat, except that I’m descended from a bunch of the most successful thugs around. Camilla is a quite successful thug in her own right.
Looks like a wedding invitation lol I’ve been saying this is Cammy’s big day. The big wedding she never got to have because she was the disgraced adulterous divorcee who couldn’t even be married in the church. She got a little civil ceremony in a little town hall that QE2 didn’t even want to be seen attending.
Now she’ll be in the big church, getting anointed by the Arch-Bishop of Canterbury, will probably be the only woman wearing a crown/tiara (because its her big day), and there will be a bank holiday. Just like with WanK’s wedding and the Jubbly. The side hoe has finally arrived.
@B,yep her big fat victory lap, This is Charlie and his second hand wife saying to everyone “I don’t care what you peasants think, Camilla is Queen,” well Charlie boy NO, not in my eyes and a few million others. She is the woman who destroyed your marriage, destroyed your relationship with your youngest son and his family destroyed a beautiful young woman, so she can take her title and crown and stick it where the sun don’t shine. NO not my queen and YOU are NOT MY KING.
The coronation is a historical event. I can see wanted to go to say you went. However Charles isn’t making this easy. Why can’t she be princess consort? He is trying to replace Diana and its not working. He just looks petty. If Diana hadn’t acted out they would still be married. If charles didnt want her under him they would still be married. Camilla would be divorced because parker-bowl didn’t want her.
Charles is just trying to rewrite the past. All he has done is create an unwatchable coronation. A lot of religious people won’t watch Queen Camilla in oil. It seems foolish to line up and watch Camilla go into the church.
Anyone else see the lion’s paw on the right crest (Camilla’s) moved ever so slightly so it reads “ho”? Instead of the lion on the left crest covering up the “o.” The unicorn and boar in both crests have the same paw placement/same letters visible. Coincidence?
@Snrub, I hadn’t noticed it until I read your comment but I just scrolled back up and that is hilarious!
If modern marriage is enough to grant that then M can be Princess M
Precisely.
Also they photoshopped his skin (what looks similar to a raging case of rosacea) out of the picture but you can still see it at the edges.
My god. Do they not have a royal dermatologist? He should have gone to that India “retreat” with her.
The wife of a king is always called Queen followed by her first name and it has been that way throughout history. Tbh, its a bigger story if Camilla is denied that. It would suggest that all is not harmonious within the ranks of the working royals and that certain parties are not enamoured by her. That would be bad for their loving family image 🤣
Nope. They said princess consort. What this means is
A. The palace just talks without asking the principals.
B. They lied all along.
Either way a lot of people are done with the monarchy and it has nothing to do with harry.
“By command of the king …”
What utter nonsense. Camilla as queen is an abomination, but then so is the very notion of monarchy.
And that invitation, gah! It looks like tween girls at a sleepover were encouraged to create something using all of the markers in the Crayola 100-count pack.
Whew! The Royal Sidepiece hasn’t looked like that since 1971. Who do they think they’re fooling? Thank goodness for photoshop!
Apparently we’re going to have to look at her hideous feathered hair for the rest of our lives, as she doesn’t seem to want to change it. Ugh
@loreli, she can’t charge it, it hides the knots that are tying back that sack of old wrinkled flesh on her face, and I hope to god she gives that poor horse it’s teeth back before the coronation
@Mary Pester You should be ashamed of your comment.
As someone who studied Medieval English literature and history in university, I like the aesthetics of the invitation. It does look busy to the modern eye, and if I didn’t get the symbolism I would probably dislike it.
My personal taste is very minimal. But I do appreciate the visual historical symbolism and connection here.
Queen Camilla though?! Right….
Those clashing blues in the photo are awful. Amazing that with all their wealth they don’t have a better stylist for such an important photo. IMHO this would have been much improved by Charles wearing a simple dark gray suit, no pinstripes. His tie is OK since it coordinates well with Camilla’s dress (though personally I will never like that cheap shade of blue. A soft lavender for both Camilla and the tie, with a gray suit on Charles, would have been so much prettier and more elegant).
Can’t look at this without feeling sorrow for Diana. How excited and happy I would have been to see her becoming Queen!
The invites look like someone cleaned out the spring clearance bin at Michael’s.
@gamegirl, nope, drawn by Louis at playschool I think 🤭🤭
Ive been mildly curious about the fact that cowmilla’s pix in newspapers and magazines arent airbrushed. But then I thought it must be because once they start removing her facial wrinkles, they woulndt be able to stop and the end result would be unrecognizable.
So I figured the rational must be that she’s an aged woman and has earnd all her wrinkles so why pretend when everyone knows what she looks like.
BUT THIS PIC!!!!!!!! JEEEEBUS!!!!!
These people are so shameless in their intent to rewrite history in everything they do and say!!!!!!
She and Charles are photo shopped and airbrushed for their Christmas cards.
Is it just me and my screen or does the text look uneven; not straight?
Particularly, the “to be present at the Abbey…” portion.
I’ve seen the invitation on different websites and the text always looks like it’s not straight.
Also, why is there no advisory about the start time/”time when guests must be seated” on the invitation.
I thought that omission was just part and parcel of the overall amateur look of the invitation itself. But someone on twitter did a comparison with the last 2 coronation invitations (betty and her dad) and the wording is similar and also, no time for being seated/start time of the event is mentioned.
Weird.
There may be a separate card included that has those details.
Is this the invitation? So they didn’t go out until now? And all the neighing and threats about M and H when they hadn’t even gotten an invitation? WTF?
Beginning to wonder just how interesting the public reactions to Charles big party are going to be?
Charles is such a petty bitch, but not the kind of petty bitch I like.
Okay, that’s a good assessment. Bc I can so appreciate a petty bitch bitch but I can’t appreciate this one.
Is that a rottweiler in Camilla’s coat of arms?
No love that’s just a rottweilers face on the top end of her neck!
I like that invite and think it looks nice. It looks very cheerful.
Hey! I have that notebook somewhere. It was part of a package of them from Rifle Paper Co.
I love the border design, it feels very spring, but I don’t think it suits the tone of the event.
CRex and Camzilla’s portrait has been edited to within an inch of its life! I would even venture to say that it got the Elizabeth Taylor “White Diamonds” treatment and softened their features tremendously. She really gives the “other women” hope that they will come out on top someday. City Girls up 5,000!
Camilla did not look young in her thirties. She looked a lot older than her age when she pretended to be friends with lady Diana. Camilla s smoking habit ruined her looks. Lovely elizabeth Taylor was always beautiful
Camilla’s hairstyle has not changed in over 50 years! I get KCIII’s interest in the environment, but the invitation doesn’t work. Too much going on, odd imagery & the two coats of arms are excessive. Not so great invitation for two not so great people.
I believe and I always will that Charles bullied the Queen into agreeing to making Camilla the consort .
Harry hinted she wasnt being cared for properly in her last few months .
Also The Guardian are doing an investigation into the RF finances which makes for interesting reading .
ReFuse to watch this garbage abomination. Unless of course we can hire her: https://youtu.be/IPBmWw_1fxo
Do you know what? I’m absolutely loving that her crest has HO I SO on the left. Someone somewhere did God’s work.
If the blue flowers placed here and there are forget-me-not flowers which are said to be Diana’s favorite flower I wonder if the placement is intended to have any meaning? They look like they’re being stomped on in the upper right and they don’t appear to be included at the very top anywhere.
KC gives the appearance of a kindly gentleman. It is so too bad he’s a rotten grandpa.
The pen episode among other things show he’s not kind nor a gentleman