Here is the latest cover of the New Yorker, featuring artwork of King Charles. Ouch. I can’t wait for the British media to blame this cover on the Duchess of Sussex and Joe Biden! Anyway, you remember how King Charles openly briefed the British media about how he didn’t want his Black daughter-in-law to come to his coronation, and that he was pleased that she was staying in California? He also made a point of NOT inviting his mixed-race grandchildren to his coronation. Now the palace is making a big deal about how the Chubbly will be so “diverse,” and how they invited people of all faiths. They’re making Richi Sunak (a Hindu) read from the Bible. They’re singing hymns in English, Welsh, Scottish Gaelic and Irish. And they’re asking every British subject and every Commonwealth subject to publicly recite their allegiance to the king.
Coronation organizers will ask millions of King Charles III’s new subjects to cry out their allegiance to the monarch in unison from wherever they are watching the service, according to newly released plans for the ceremony. Anyone watching, streaming or listening to Saturday’s service will be invited to recite a new “homage of the people,” sounding what organizers hope will form a “chorus of millions” from across the royal realm to mark the symbolic accession of Britain’s new king.
“I swear that I will pay true allegiance to Your Majesty, and to your heirs and successors according to law. So help me God,” states the pledge that the public will be invited to recite.
It is the first time in history that all royal subjects have been invited to formally participate in a coronation service in such a way, something its organizers called an innovation made possible by modern technology. The oath replaces a traditional allegiance pledged by hereditary peers, who would line up to kneel before the monarch in Westminster Abbey, according to details of the service released by the archbishop of Canterbury.
According to newly published guidance, the archbishop will call upon “all persons of goodwill” from across the realm “to make their homage, in heart and voice, to their undoubted King, defender of all.” Participation in the oath — which will be followed by a musical fanfare — is encouraged but voluntary, organizers said.
“The Homage of the People is particularly exciting because that’s brand new,” said a spokesman for Lambeth Palace, the archbishop’s official London residence. “Our hope is at that point, when the archbishop invites people to join in, that people wherever they are, if they’re watching at home on their own, watching the telly, will say it out loud — this sense of a great cry around the nation and around the world of support for the King.”
The reaction to the news was probably not what the palace was expecting. Not to defend Charles or anything (y’all know how I feel), but I can actually see how this kind of addition came about. Charles clearly wants to marginalize the aristocracy’s role in the coronation, given the fact that he has barely invited a quarter of Debrett’s Peerage. He doesn’t want the Earl of Lambchop or the Duke of Pussnboots to swear allegiance to him, he wants to make the ceremony feel more democratized. The problem is that he’s still a f–king hereditary king, not a democratically elected head of state. So no, people are not going to pledge allegiance to him from the discomfort of the homes they can’t afford to heat.
Additionally, these two portraits were just released. The Palace really overdid the airbrushing. They both look like they’ve been Yassified.
Photos courtesy of Buckingham Palace, cover courtesy of The New Yorker.
He sounds like a fucking despot. He expects world leaders to come worship him, he’s spending hundreds of millions on his fancy hat party while his citizens struggle to live, and now he’s demanding they pledge allegiance to him. Not the flag, not to the UK, to HIM and his adulterous hag.
It boggles my mind that he, his wife and their aides honestly thought that this idea is modern.
@Chloe, same. How, how did multiple people think this was a good idea? WE could have predicted the reaction, but they couldn’t. Unreal
But it’s new! It’s totally modern, it’s never been done before!! (read with heavy sarcasm).
I am sometimes convinced that Charles gets all his gadgets and TV, newspapers, radio taken away or tampered with. How can he agree to this shit show of tone deaf disasters!? He is only told what he needs to hear.
I assume he gets all of his news from outlets owned by Rupert Murdoch.
Yep.
That went over real well.
Lead balloon…meet gravity.
Complete autocrat and dictator vibes. Hell to the No!
He does sound like a flipping despot. This caught a bunch of British people by surprise and the reaction has been less positive than tone-deaf KC was expecting. This man cannot read a room to save himself at all.
I was watching a panel show tonight, there was a journalist who is a dual US British citizen. She has been living in England for quite a number of years. She said that most British people couldn’t give a stuff about him or his coronation. Like most here in Australia, they simply do not have the same feelings for him or his hag as they did for QE2. Most Australians feel the same way, so I doubt that very many will be reciting this stupid homage. I certainly won’t be a need to I certainly won’t be and neither will anyone else in my immediate family. He is such a bell end. Three I don’t want to watch this stupid spectacle., but I am so up for the shenanigans, cock ups (and I hope there are plenty!) and the aftermath. 😂😂 NOT MY KING.
Same here in Canada. Most Canadians don’t give a rodent’s posterior about King Upchuck and Queen Pruneface. I’ll watch snippets on YouTube and CB but just to see them eff up, and to see Harry of course.
I’m planning on keeping an eye on social media for the protests only. I refuse to give this travesty the ratings, even here in the States.
They believe that if they can get their subjects to pledge an oath to the king and his heirs then the monarchy will survive past this current crisis. They believe the call for a democratic republic will go away because it has always gone away with every crisis in the past. The Brits have historically taken oaths very, very seriously and would rather die than be oathbreakers. The Scots, however, don’t give two f*cks for the monarchy and will refuse to swear the oath. Really, this latest brainfart from the palace will expedite the dissolution of the monarchy and have Scotland, Australia, and Canada demanding independence. So … I think the oath of allegiance to the king and his heirs is an exceptionally great idea!!!
I’d lay odds that right now Lizzie’s birling in her grave over this.
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I think this group “outcry” is the only way he can get Harry to swear allegiance to him and Camilla
In what century are these people living? Pledging allegiance to a person? Where does he think he is going with this medieval shit, in the 21st century.
Not even here in the US where we get to elect our leader, do we pledge allegiance to the President. We pledge allegiance to the flag which symbolizes our country. Unbelievable the arrogance of this man
Not just to him! To his heirs too! 🤢
It’s pissing a lot of people off. They don’t want to swear to Andrew
Britain also elects its leaders. The King is not our leader. We don’t pledge allegiance to the PM, the monarch or the flag. I can’t wait to see a sea of yellow on Saturday, the colour of protest against the coronation and the royal family. I won’t be travelling to London but have my yellow t-shirt at the ready, just for laughs!
@Flowerlake — I’d swear to Andrew, I’d calling him an effing, BS-spewing cockroach to his face.
People in the comments on WaPo were saying it’s no weirder than having kids say the pledge of allegiance, but all kids don’t say it I never did, and neither there any of the kids that I went to school with that were Jehovah’s witnesses or Muslim. I think my parents would have actually flipped if I had to say any sort of pledge towards George HW Bush or Bill Clinton. It’s such a bad look.
At least with the pledge to the Amerian flag, you are pledging allegiance to the republic (that in theory represents us all), not to a single person being embiggened for exiting a birth canal. So, yes, it is different.
@equality, yeah the actual pledge says ” and to the republic for which it stands”, very clearly it’s meant as a symbol of the nation itself and not one person or family group.
I’m not American so the pledge of allegiance has always seemed kind of creepy to me. As a citizen of a Commonwealth country, I will not be swearing allegiance to this musty old coxcomb. Also – that photo is ridiculous. It looks like his left hand is creeping inward for some “self-soothing”. Blech!
We do pledge allegiance to our flag, but I can now see Trump putting this on his list of things Americans must do when he’s re-elected.
“when he’s re-elected”????
Historically, most of the population of a kingdom would sincerely believe that the monarch was there by divine right. If a king died, that was God’s will, and it was God’s will for the next in line to ascend the throne. There might have also been hope that God placed the new monarch there to improve the lives of his subjects. The world has been watching Charles for 70 years. It’s safe at this point to cross out ‘God Save the King’ and write in ‘Abandon All Hope’ on all the commemorative coronation plates.
Actually pledging allegiance to a person is fascist. For example, the German Army pledged to support the German Reich until Hitler changed it to an oath of allegiance to himself.
In the USA we don’t pledge allegiance to the President, the President pledges allegiance to the Constitution!
I’m all for turning Canada, where I live, into a republic, although it’s probably too expensive to be justified (like reprinting all the laws, money, re-org the constitution and strong arm 10 provinces and 3 territories into agreeing). To be fair though, historically, when you live in a constitutional monarchy, then the deal is that you are the subject of one person, the monarch, as head of state. An institution personified, literally. So, if you were to swear allegiance then that’s who or what you would swear it to. The national anthem in the UK is God Save the King, after all. The flag or the constitution isn’t the same symbol in the UK as in the US. Historically.
But probably better no one be asked to swear allegiance during the coronation anyway.
Ok here’s mine. I shall not pledge allegiance to your cruel and hateful reign you weak and greedy putz. May it be very short and abhorred by all.
Here here!
There can surely be no greater demonstration of the complete and utter inability of the BRF and their sycophants to READ THE GODDAMN ROOM. How could anyone ever be so delusional and oblivious as to think that this request would go over well? Jesus.
Exactly this!
At least that’s the exact reason that it is so, so funny for us to watch this shitshow devolve week after week. It’s genuinely entertaining to see what an absolute mess they’ve *already* managed to make of the shiny hat party.
Is Charles trying to end the monarchy?! He should be swearing allegiance to us! Seriously, if this was a way to stop people being indifferent to the coronation, well congrats they’re now anti-monarchists.
Most British people do not swear allegiance to anyone, unless an MP, armed forces or for citizenship etc. So this feels very strange.
Never been more glad I’m working that day 🙂
THIS!!!! He should be swearing alliance to the people of England, not the other way around.
That would actually make sense.
Goodness Charles, is this a belated April fools joke?!!
The WaPo comments were pretty scathing. That is the problem with trying to make something like this egalitarian, and honestly it was something H&M were eventually going to run up against if they stayed too. You’re inherently telling people to treat someone as better and deserving your devotion and loyalty, through no actual actions of their own. It doesn’t make any sense, and you can try to hide behind history and tradition and any other excuse for why we should keep doing something that is archaic but the bottom line is you’re in this position because you’re lucky not because you deserve it in any manner.
You cannot democratize something which is anti-democratic, and, as you say, anti-egalitarian. Can’t be done and Chuck is proving it.
Agree with both of you. Charles may be trying to include the public in his coronation, but how much can you include the public in a ceremony celebrating your wealth and privilege and status because of who your mother was (and she was only that bc of who her father was, grandfather, and so on.)
“King Charles wants ‘a chorus of millions’ to pledge true allegiance at the Chubbly”
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Good luck with that.
I like how they think this will result in “a great cry across the nation” 😂
There may be a “great cry across the nation” but it won’t be saying what KC hopes. I predict loud cries of “not my king” and “down with the monarchy”!
Sure, we’ll be hearing all those voices along with the thousands of church bells no one will be ringing.
Hoping there is a massive chorus of Booooo outside Westminster.
Correct me if I’m wrong, this a new thing, right? Lizzie never did this. Lizzie pledged HERSELF and her entire life to the monarchy and the “empire”.
Previously it was a line of hereditary peers who knelt and pledged before the monarch in person. This is Chuck’s notion of…something egalitarian? Huh. Sounds like Chuck’s fascination with himself.
Real man of the people, this one
Right. They’re swapping out the peers, but they are too stupid to understand that peers and other people working in certain roles (government, military) are the only ones who should ever be asked to swear allegiance to a particular king. Especially this king. My goodness. I haven’t had nearly enough coffee yet this morning, but it’s clear to me that whomever is in charge of this is leading Charles off a cliff.
@SueBarbri33, that would most likely be the Bride of Chucky and Edward Young, egoist royal secretary extraordinaire.
I think that’s part of the anointing ceremony?
And she referred to that many times over her reign. The focus was always on her serving the people, not the other way around. (In words, anyway.) Oy.
Actually having to say an allegiance out loud to Charles is rightly turning people off. It’s not just Charles though. All these ancient and byzantine touches that are part of tradition are just coming off as really strange and out of touch rather than cute
TBH, it’s the ancient and Byzantine traditions that I wanted to see! The only reason I was planning to tune in was to see the peers in their coronation robes all kneeling before the king. With blinged-out royals from other countries looking on. And then all the peers putting their little crowns on at the same time. That is such a bizarre ritual and I was dying to see it in 2023! I couldn’t care less about this no-tiara/ business attire/ everyone-is-equal-except-me yawn of a “coronation.” If they’re going to strip it of all the medieval traditions, all the silly outdated stuff that reminds us that this one moment is a little link in a chain that stretches back to 1066… then what’s the point of doing it at all?
Interesting point!
Ask Chaz and Cam.
Apparently, “it’s all about them.”
Yeah, this pledge is ridiculous and frankly I find it offensive. Just shows yet again how out of touch Charles and the BRF really are. In his little bubble of yes people, am sure they all told him it was a way to show how beloved he is! There is already so much criticism about this pledge — even the Daily Fail is noting the backlash this is causing!
F$&k this guy, f$&k his stupid clown party, and f$&k anyone who thinks I’m going to take time out of my busy day to please allegiance to him. What century does he think we are in?!?! ‘Democratization’??? He probably thinks this is how democracy actually works, doesn’t he?
Meanwhile, we’ve had confirmation that 3.7M kids went to bed hungry in 2022 in a country of 67M.
Food prices are far worse this year, meaning the number might be the double for 2023 while costs of the Con-A-Nation are now estimated to be at least £100M + £150 solely in security costs, minimum total of 313 US Dollars.
The 2 portraits by the way have cost £8M or USD10Millions.
It’s happening here too. My daughter was doing self check-out at the grocery store the other day, and when a single pear (one pear!) rang up for $5, she just gasped “what the f**k?!” out loud because she was so shocked. Granted, she lives in Brooklyn, but she isn’t in a fancy part of the borough and she was at what is supposed to be a lower-priced store.
Food prices have gone way up in the US right now and it’s a huge problem.
I was at a grocery store in downtown Manhattan the other day – a can of Progresso soup was $6.89.
Location has to be a factor.
Out here in small town NM, it isn’t that bad, but it IS small town NM, not Manhattan – a huge difference.
Oh AnneL, I feel ya. Price of fruit has gotten so utterly ridiculous I made an investment in some fruit trees, planting them out to frame our yard as short espalier. I’m too old to climb a tree but one pruned to my height, I can handle. So far we’ve got a few apples, quince, and a persimmon. That’s in addition to hazelnut & chestnut trees (nut prices being likewise obscene around here). The apples and persimmon being new won’t produce yet, but we’ve got berry shrubs in the meantime and a mature cherry tree that I share with a local chipmunk gang.
If your majesty wants people to pledge allegiance maybe one first step would be: having a portrait that doesn’t look like your majesty is fiddling with his majestic self? Just a thought.
Trying to hide those ugly sausages.
This is all so sick. Is the coronation itself going to bring down the monarchy? Stay tuned!
And having a Hindu read from the Bible is not inclusive. It’s prioritizing one religion over others. I know Sunak is a dopey Tory, but why would he agree to this?
I guess you could use the word tampon instead of your majesty when pledging allegiance. As a matter of fact, a tampon would be a better king than Chuck.
A tampon is useful.
Charles and the Palace can’t be talking about diversity when his biracial daughter in law has chosen not to attend. As for the the pledge he believes that if he allows the entire nation and not just the aristos to pledge allegiance to him that it makes the monarchy is more democratic and modern. The UK will only become a democracy when it gets rid of the monarchy.
The con-a-nation is turning from tone deaf and far too expensive peagantry to an attempt to install C-Rex as a real ruler?
The argument was always The RF are figureheads, no real power, now it feels they want to turn back time and become absolute monachs again.
On a friendly note, Cowmillas photoshop artist is really good. I think she never looked this good in real live.
OMG yes!! 😂😂 I think her own stuff thought she looked like a fat cow, so they photoshopped her from head to toe..
I think they made Camilla’s head smaller in the picture
The amount of photoshopping in those “portraits” is out of control. Do these people understand that we actually know what they look like IRL?
She didn’t even look that glossy and pretty when she was younger. She’s always looked coarse on the edges.
Seriously! How did they make her hair look so shiny?
The British people, or the majority at least, let Charlie’s get away with being an awful person. They don’t demand apologies or acknowledgment that he’s done wrong. And so now Charles knows that he can get away with anything.
I suppose no different than our country who accept the lies of Fox News. No public acknowledgment. No remorse.
Most Americans do not watch, much less accept the lies of Fox News. And we certainly don’t pledge allegiance to it.
He continues to outdo himself in being out of touch. He appears to be attempting his version of Diana’s “People’s Princess.” But he is missing her sentiment entirely. She connected with people where they were at and did not need a fancy title and deference to force or feign that connection. KCIII, you cannot connect with people through some archaic oath while you sit in one of your many lavish palaces/homes or in your golden carriage, and while you are very publicly racist to your own grandchildren and daughter-in-law. Let’s also not forget abusing your own son. KCIII, nobody is buying it.
Right. I don’t understand what his polls and advisors are telling him about all of this. Does he think he’s actually popular? If I were in C&C’s position, I would be as low key in public as possible. He’s making too many mistakes.
The headlines around this are cracking me up! Guardian yesterday “MP defends ‘offensive’ coronation oath request” hahahahaha!! Hardly the spin they were looking for!
I think presenting an oath of allegiance to a monarchy as “progressive” is just so funny and wtf that of course this was going to blow up. On the other hand, I can’t help but be a bit amused at the outrage I’m seeing about this alongside the “ahem excuse me?” comments from a lot of Brits who had to do this oath when they became citizens. As in the USA, it’s always interesting how those who become citizens know more about their new country and its traditions than those born here…
Obviously, this is also ridiculous when it’s demanded of new citizens as well. Just abolish the damn monarchy and write a new citizenship oath.
Yes, it is and, yes, they should! But, most people don’t seem to know this is required for new citizens and there’s never been a groundswell of “that’s outrageous!” for the fact that new citizens do have to do this, was my point.
👍 @Ladye
Even Angela freaking Levin was saying this was offensive and she was not going to do it.
Ah yes, Angela. I’m sure she’d be the first though to call for an immigrant or refugee to be thrown out of the country if they refused to do this as not representing “British values”. My point is simply that, yes, of course it is offensive, but British people just waking up to that should be aware that many of their fellow citizens didn’t have the luxury/privilege to say so and had to (and still do have to) make this oath
For those who are interested, you can find this on the UK.gov website and other local government websites regarding what happens at a UK citizenship ceremony:
Oath of allegiance
I, (name), swear by Almighty God that, on becoming a British citizen, I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III, His Heirs and Successors, according to law.
Affirmation of allegiance
I (name) do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm that on becoming a British Citizen, I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III, his Heirs and Successors, according to law
Again, my point is simply that the shock and outrage of people who were privileged to be born UK citizens that *they* would be required to say this language is….interesting, I’ll leave it at that.
yeah I had to do the affirmation of allegiance to the QUEEN at my citizenship ceremony a few years ago. I felt really weird as I am against this whole feudalistic stuff including the royal family
@Vera, first, congratulations on becoming a UK citizen! Second, ugh, I am really sorry you had to do that. I can imagine that must have felt very weird!
If anyone wants a laugh, here are the responses to that headline on the Australian reddit. #notmyking goes global.
https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/133fsr2/public_invited_to_swear_their_allegiance_as_king/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
Haha I love the ‘yeah…nah’ of it all. 🙂
I guess this is my turn for conspiracy theory because I’m wondering if this is an effort to get Harry on camera either participating or not participating in this public oath of allegiance?
Yeah, I can see the camera finding Harry at that part. At the same time, imagine Jill Biden. I’m sure she’ll be respectfully standing there while not reciting this allegiance.
It’s going to be interesting with all foreign guests. Either they skip the oath in Westminster, or they will have rows not participating.
Having designated peers swearing loyality for the whole aristocracy was a sensible solution they should have stuck with.
Yeah, there might be something to that. I mean, I wouldn’t normally assume such a huge institution would stoop so low, but everything they do seems so petty these days that I wouldn’t put it past them.
So what’s his diversity point? I care about all people; I just dislike my dil and, by extension, my grandchildren? This type of messaging and media makes me worry about all of them. How many royalists willing to pledge allegiance to KC will think that getting rid of PH’s family would please KC? These people are truly disgusting. I hope people video themselves to put on SM of not pledging and doing other things entirely instead. Or video themselves with not my king signs or blank paper.
He cares about all people, he just doesn’t want them anywhere near his family. Great job, Chuck.
Is there no end in sight for more of their amazing ideas to get everyone to work for free?
So, first bring uniformed children in to chant slogans, and then have the populace shout out in unison praise to the glorious leader? I must say, though I’m no fan of Charles, I never expected the “gentle” Charles who pottered about being interested in old-fashioned architecture and organic gardening to attempt to go full-on dictator as soon as power was within his grasp. It’s all rather unpleasant and disturbing. Well, Heil Charles, I guess.
Then there will be bill who imo would be much worse
And we have to remember that the Sidepiece Consort is really the one running the show. She gets just as much ‘credit’ for all of these sh!t ideas
it’s definitely giving “Kim Jung Un”
Totorochan (Love the name!), one of the longstanding criticisms of Charles was that he liked to overreach and put his two cents in on government affairs, far beyond what a British monarch should, and that as king it would cause him issues because he would likely try to increase his power and influence. I’m not one bit surprised at this oath nonsense.
They live in such an absurd fairy tale bubble. With all this planning, you can really see that Charles is a fantasist who genuinely believes he had been ordained by God to ‘rule’. And his wife doesn’t give a sh*t what anybody thinks.
Had they made it a pledge of allegiance TO the people, the response would have been much different. It would have demonstrated what the modern-day monarchy is supposed to be about – service. Or at least that is what they keep telling us.
How anyone with approval ratings like his could think this would have gone over well is just nuts to me. And this is doubly true given the state of the UK economy.
The celtic’s fans have given people an alternative tune to sing along to for the coronation and I’m here for it.
Right? Always can count on the Glaswegians to mock the monarchy, bless em.
I’m honestly thrilled at this because Twitter and socials are going to be LIT with all of the creative hate of this nonsense pledge. It will overshadow everything. It will make “Lizzie’s in a box” look like child’s play.
My wish is what someone here said months ago: that the people who are actually lining the streets and watching the balcony all hold up photos of Diana so C&C will just see a sea of Dianas when they look down on their adoring crowds.
But I read that people are ALREADY getting into place (and I read that days ago, Saturday, I think) and it’s probably only the most hardcore royalists that would literally sit outside for a full ass week to ensure a good spot from which to see freaking Charles of all people.
I guess I don’t understand the big deal about trying to see him on the parade route? he’s going to do that at least once a year for Trooping anyway. It’s not like this is the one time to see Charles in a fancy carriage. I guess some people might just want to be there so they can say they were there, but still, it seems like a waste of a week. Don’t these people have to work?
And THAT is what I am looking forward to: the immense, fierce, joyful blowback.
@DARK, it’s a catchy tune too! At first, I thought they were saying Tory nation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IntHHGXTfEc
Charles is the reincarnation of the sun king Louis the fourteenth and i don’t mean this in a good way.
The Sun King and Richard II, all rolled into one. Just completely out of touch and out to lunch. He must really be a mess. I think his mother lived in a bubble, but she (and Philip) seemed to understand how things would play in the “real world.” Charles doesn’t have a clue. He thinks he’s well-liked, respected, and important, when in reality he is none of those things.
Definitely getting Richard II vibes from Charles. And a little bit of John and Henry III. Just an around medieval mess.
@SUEBARBRI33
I think that QEII knowing Queen Mary made a big difference. Queen Mary revamped the monarchy because she was afraid if they did not , they would go the way of the Romanovs and other European royals. QEII paid attention and leaned into that duty ethic. KFCIII is just too narcissistic to do so.
But I think somewhere inside he believes that if all of his minions chant their loyalty, at the same moment in unison, that like the Doctor, he too will be renewed. But KFCIII doesn’t look like David Tennant and isn’t beloved like the Doctor!
I also think Philip grounded her somewhat. Sure, by the time he died they had been married for 70 years and the majority of his life was spent in immense privilege, but I think he was always aware of that. Like he at least had some experience outside the royal bubble which I think probably did have him rolling his eyes at Charles’ whining or Andrew’s spoiled antics etc.
Desperate, insecure and arrogant all at once.
I bet this will end up being a huge embarrassment for him.
I honestly thought I’d mis-read the headline when I saw this story yesterday.
On the flip side, his core base, GB News, Nigel F, etc. are going to be SO hot for this. It makes me think of being in France on the 11th November last year and my grandmother watches the French Fox New. They were live at the tomb of the unknown soldier in Paris and the woman presenting was getting so carried away it made me feel very uncomfortable. If C3 and the Tories are trying to push the nationalist/isolationist agenda and revive British exceptionalism I wish them luck but I also find it worrying.
Pledging allegiance to an unelected man and his unelected successors is not a way to “democratise” the coronation. I understand wanting to bring the public into this but this is by definition a very exclusive event to celebrate a man who thinks he’s been anointed by God to be King. I don’t think you really can democratise it properly without getting rid of it.
This is asking for too much, too soon. The monarch is chosen via birth, upon ascension to the throne, the monarch the man/woman has to grow and mature into that role.
It has been only months…..
Too soon, a well run and best intended media campaign could not have delivered what he is asking.
That requires time and his continued hard work….
He is seriously pissing people off. Keep it up, clown.
That oath by the people included pledging allegiance to the king, his heirs and successors. Successors as in the line of succession to the throne. That pledge goes to Harry, Archie and Lili; nos. 5, 6 and 7 in line. Yep, pledge allegiance to two children of African American lineage and royal blood. People would pledge allegiance to no. 8 to the throne – Andrew.
Gross. No thanks. My husband recently became a citizen and the pledging allegiance to the king was the part that he hated. Everything else about the ceremony was lovely.
Well, this ought to pose an interesting dilemma for Michelle O’Neill.
I appreciated her take that attending the Coronation was an important gesture of respect and that her role as (theoretical) First Minister of Northern Ireland requires her to represent all traditions in NI … But she is still a member of a party who has maintained a policy of abstentionism for nearly 100 years (if you count the earlier incarnation of SF) predicated on their refusal to take an oath of allegiance to the Crown.
I’m British, and this has been incredibly unpopular and controversial and has been widely mocked. The vast majority of Brits have no interest in the monarchy.
Isn’t anyone else weirded out by the use of the phrase “cry out their allegiance”? As if you will be sitting on the couch watching the telly and the sight of Chucky and Horsey being crowned puts you in such a state of rapture that you cannot control your emotions and you simply cry out “I pledge my allegiance!” and fall to the floor in a puddle of tears and obedience to The Crown. I mean, I seriously think this is what Chucky was picturing.
@Harper, I agree that that’s literally what KC3POS was envisioning, which makes the backlash even funnier
Charles is completely insane.
He truly is.
What century does he think he lives in?
11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th? Any century other than this one apparently.
What a dork.
Listen matey, I pledged my allegiance to your mother when I enlisted, but there is NO WAY in hell I would pledge my allegiance to you or your scrotum in a wig. Charlie boy for someone with ears like that you are amazingly DEAF. Are the papers hidden from you, because every one of them carries an opinion poll and judging by the results, the only thing you will hear screamed is NOT MY KING AND NOT MY QUEEN, and most people will be sat at home watching Netflix, not your massive vanity project
“this sense of a great cry around the nation and around the world of support for the King” – this is breathless in its stupidity. Me thinks someone has watched too many cheesy, overblown WWII blockbusters…
Or Peter Pan – I believe in fairies.
Or Hook – you are the pan.
Chuck thinks he’s a Shakespearean king and he may be in the end, but not in the way he would envision in his wretched little ego.
Desperately demanding subservience to his sorry self… or you are breaking the law! Pathetic. I will have Harry and Meghan running on Netflix while singing “Happy Birthday” to Prince Archie!
Great shades of North Korea!
First there was the busing of children to drown out protesters.
Chuck is wearing a Military uniform to his Crown-a-thon.
Now he wants everyone to pledge allegiance to HIM?
When do we hear the tales of him hitting 9 hole-in-ones in a day? Is the Guineas book of world records only going to be HIM in every category?
This is creepy, and stupid and frightening.
Didn’t they actually ARREST a guy a couple of months back for (silently) holding up a “Not My King” sign? They can’t very well arrest all of the protesters on Saturday, so I wonder exactly what their game plan is.
Before that even, they took into custody a man holding up a *blank* sheet of paper.
Yes-there was an article I read over the weekend about people who are peacefully protesting them and being arrested. It’s pretty despotic.
Charles’ advisers must be secret republicans who want to bring down the monarchy, because this pledge is absolutely insane.
By making Chucky’s rein an absolute disaster, it makes it easier for the subjects to embrace Pegs, if he can manage to keep his numerous flaws secret. They’ll point to him and say “he’s Diana’s son, he’ll be the bestest King ever!” That is all Pegs has going for him.
I’m getting a supply of nerf bricks to throw at the TV. Pledging true allegiance from Canada? My arse…
Yeah maybe they should have waited until after the coronation and that wacky pledge to mention the cost of the Chubbly, lol. I’m not sure people will want to “pledge allegiance” while they are thinking about the £250 million cost.
Charles is reminding everyone that they are subjects. Subjects swear fealty to a monarch. Citizens swear fealty to their country. This is beyond stupid. Also, the Archbishop is going to announce the pledge? So that means people in the Abbey have to participate? An Abbey where Charles has invited Europe’s kings and queens? What a sad little man is Charles. No one has ever thought of this stupid idea. The Queen at least vowed to serve the nation and the Commonwealth. And poor Harry- will he have to pledge, after escaping having to bow to Charles and Camilla like William will? This whole thing is a farce. It seems like Charles and Camilla are thinking of something new everyday to inflict on the nation.
This should help the prospects of NI leaving GB. Not that NO has to join the RoI, but with Sinn Fein having som many seats on both sides – hum.
@JustBitchy: Not necessarily. As I said above, it does put Michelle O’Neill in a difficult conundrum as putative First Minister. She has already ruffled a few feathers (the usual suspects) by merely attending the Coronation. There’s no reality in which SF participates in anything resembling an oath to the Crown, but she may just sit quietly or talk poetry with Miggeldy (who is also breaking precedent by attending).
The path to a UI (or less likely, an independent NI) will be primarily due to demographic and generational shifts, Brexit and the gradual erosion of the bonds of the Union, and a changing social and political landscape in the RoI. Support for the monarchy in NI is already at an all time low, according to a recent poll in the BelTel – and that has as much to do with changes in the Loyalist community as with Republicans.
Photoshop, thy name is Miracle Worker!
Or Lying Cheat.
Take your pick.
Airbrushed or no, he still looks like Grandpa Munster.
LOLOLOL! He does, he just needs a black cape! Grandpa was nice and lovable, Charles is the real vampire.
I am sure I will be very busy Saturday hoping for photos of Prince Archie or doing something enjoyable. I won’t be watching anything to do with the hat party. I feel so sorry for UK subjects who have a hard time paying their utility bills, inflation and the plight of NHS folks. My heart goes out to them.
I think half the British media would give their right arm to get a birthday picture of Archie on Saturday. They could howl about Meghan’s disrespect for the next flipping decade. They probably dream about that picture.
Harry is supposed to say an oath for allegiance to KFC and HIMSELF? I would think this is for those not in the line of succession. It makes no sense otherwise. KFC, if I might clue you in, I don’t know whether Harry wants to say an oath for allegiance to Fails or Andrew.
I hope there is such a backlash that they do something else instead of this. Talk about vanity and power mongering.
ahahahaha! apparently the Welsh translation of the oath deploys the wrong version of the verb to swear: https://twitter.com/CymraegDoctor/status/1652934809885241345
TYNGU = to swear [allegiance]
RHEGI = to swear / to curse
@Jen: that’s beautiful. Revenge of the Welsh.
Dream on Chuck.
I tried to post a really interesting CNN article by Graham Smith, CEO of Republic, but it somehow got disappeared – not sure why, but if you’d like to read it it’s called “Opinion: It’s time we brought this monarchy nonsense to an end.”
@Jaded Here it is https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/01/opinions/republic-protest-king-charles-coronation-smith/index.html
The Guardian got some Labour MPs on the record comparing this to the loyalty oath MPs swear… conveniently ignoring the fact that the sovereign they’re swearing to is the King-in-Parliament. It honestly sounds like Chuck has forgotten that too.
Dear Chuck,
I’m not from the colonies, but they wrote Merry Olde England a breakup letter about 247 years ago and fought a war about said breakup letter . . . so that’s going to be no from me.
With Absolutely No Love,
Erin
I will only pledge allegiance to my god Jesus Christ and to my country- I don’t do pagan rituals showing allegiance to people-who breathe and need air just like I do-King Charles and Camilla should be pleding allegiance to the UK and all other countries under their realms-they are already wealthy beyound belief and have everything they need and want-they should be pledging to their people to help make their lives better and dedicate themselves like the queen did-someone has already said they will be panning the cameras all through this part of the ceremony to see who is repeating and who is not-world leaders not part of his realm will not saying a damn thing-you know Joe has already instructed Jill on what to do. the people of the UK let them be there the allegiance needs to go towards their people- I hope they know when they pledge they are also pledging his heirs-William, George, Charlotte, Louie, Harry, Archie, Lilibet, and Andrew and on down the line-this something they need to drop or rethink. the cameras will be all up in Harry’s face during this part of the ceremony.
My Dog, he is just physically, fundamentally, repulsive. “Congratulations”, cowmilla
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I can see someone who REALLY wants to be an aristocrat doing this. To BE APART of the set. This is exciting for them. But it’s not because it’s Charles and Camilla. Charles doesn’t even qualify to be king and Camilla doesn’t qualify to be queen. If you really care about “the process” Charles didn’t do enough military service. William didn’t do enough military service. Charles trust helps him but not that much.
Just a thought….
2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and exalt himself above every so-called god or object of worship. So he will seat himself in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.
Yeahhh, this is going to be the death of the British monarchy
So our Australian Prime Minister has told Piers Morgan in a yet to be released interview he will pledge alliegence to the King .
I just can’t believe this shit .
Ah, @Cassie, just like the UK, Australia can Blame it On the Rain for an excuse. I love that Milli Vanilli, ahem, loved them in the 80’s, sang this song whilst being fake, is singing a song that might be be very appropriate for shiny hat day. Between the catchy ‘Shove your Coronation up your arse..and Blame it On the Rain…a master mashup of these two things needs to happen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI5IA8assfk
Whew, 30 second? mark..reminds me of someone. Thinking really hard about someone who would have benefited the BRF on a global level? Hmmmm…..trying hard to remember that one name that has come up consistently on a daily basis in the British Media for the last 6/7 years. It begins with an M. Mayghan, maybe? Ya gotta blame it on something..blame it on the rain. Whatever you do, don’t put blame on you.