Should ‘married-in’ royal wives be allowed to host investitures? Sure, why not.

Camilla Tominey at the Telegraph recently had piece which is shockingly not focused on lying about the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. Well, the Sussexes do get a mention, because of course Tominey has to scratch that itch, and the reason for the name-check is because Harry and Meghan were supposed to be around for King Charles’s reign, they were supposed to be part of Charles’s slimmed-down monarchy. But H&M are gone, which leaves the monarchy with a bunch of seniors and a couple of lazy 40-somethings. So this is Tominey giving advice to the king: Charles must “deploy the wives of Windsor” to be “a truly modern monarch.” I thought this was going to be about how Camilla, Kate and Sophie need to do more and be seen more, but no, it’s about one very specific thing: how the “married-in” royals need to be allowed to conduct investitures. As is, allowing Kate, Sophie and Camilla to hand out honors like knighthoods and CBEs and OBEs. As it stands now, only “blood royals” can pass out honors.

Despite Princess Anne’s unparalleled work ethic, there is arguably more the royals could do – if only they were allowed. Take Investitures – once described by the late Queen as among the most important of all her royal duties. These are the ceremonies at which those lucky enough to have made it onto the two honours’ lists every year are presented with their various awards. The most well-known honours are knighthoods, damehoods, MBEs, OBEs and CBEs, but there are a whole range of others that are handed out, such as the different classes of the Order of the Bath and the Order of St Michael and St George, and the rankless Order of Merit and the Companions of Honour.

Currently, Investitures are hosted by the King, the Princess Royal and the Prince of Wales in line with a long-standing convention that awards and honours should only be presented by a “blood” royal. But with Camilla now Queen, and Kate, the new Princess of Wales, might the King be minded to soup up his slimmed-down monarchy with a bit of girl power? As well as his wife and daughter-in-law, he could also call upon the Duchess of Edinburgh to host the ceremonies, when the member of the Royal family places the decoration on the recipient and congratulates them on their honour.

According to constitutional expert Vernon Bogdanor, professor of government at King’s College London, there is no formal rule on who should preside over Investitures. “It’s up to the King – there’s nothing formally written down. It is one of the problems of slimming down the monarchy, that there may not be enough people to do these important jobs. But if the King did want more royals to carry out Investitures, then he could make it happen. It’s all down to his discretion and many would see it as an act of modernisation.”

Prof Bogdanor adds that any changes would have to be supported by public opinion. Christopher Joll, British military historian and author, agrees: “There might be a feeling that if an Investiture was conducted by someone who had married into the family, it wouldn’t be quite the same thing. But actually I think people would be happy to receive honours and awards from any royal with enough seniority. It’s perhaps worth remembering that the King can delegate anybody to act on his behalf which is why you get lord-lieutenants carrying out one-off Investitures – or generals in the field. As the fount of honour, the monarch can decide who can act on his behalf.”

Curiously, although the convention dictates that the Queen and Princess of Wales don’t currently host Investitures, as blood royals, Andrew’s daughters Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie could, even though they are “non-working” royals. “This is perhaps one of the problems with the King introducing this relatively new concept of ‘working’ and ‘non-working’ royals,” says Joll. “On one hand, the Yorks could, in theory, carry out an Investiture as blood princesses, but because they are ‘non-working’ royals, they currently don’t.”

[From The Telegraph]

I truly can’t believe she managed to get something like 1000 words out of a one-sentence argument: let the married-in royals host investitures. And, I mean, it’s something that actually should happen. Queen Camilla should stagger around, half in the bag, and try to balance a sword on someone’s shoulder. The photos would be priceless. This is actually something Kate might be good at too, the quickest way to get Kate involved is to allow the York princesses to host an investiture. That’s the real problem – William and Kate don’t want to do it but they don’t want anyone else to do it either. Meanwhile, no one wants to get their MBE from Sophie.

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  1. Tessa says:

    Charles is probably pushing this for Camilla
    Keen would be so awkward. Bad speech and guffaws

    • Selene says:

      The way that man loves that woman.

    • ML says:

      I am seriously confused as to why CamilToe thinks this is an issue? It’s oddly specific: is there a major hold up in receiving royal honors?
      As Tessa says, this is something that Charles would seemingly love for Camilla to do (though I simply cannot see him as supportive of Kate or Sophie). And as Selene says, that man loves that woman.
      Is CT trying to help Keen out? Is she trying to have KC bestow this power unto Camzilla so CT can order popcorn when the masses protest? I just don’t get it.

      • Smart&Messy says:

        Maybe Charles wants it for Camilla, because 1, she looks frail and not very much up to doing public engagements and travel, even domestic can be an issue. He wants to find a way for her to be visible doing something queenly. 2, Peg is this lazy. He has been doing investitures on the reg for years and is probably lagging behind.
        What I don’t think is that anyone wants it for Kate or Sophie. As Kaiser said, no one wants to get it from Sophie, and at the moment I am not sure Kate has a long future as a royal.

      • Roo says:

        ML, that’s what I was wondering. Is there some horrible backlog of honors to give out? Is this another dire consequence of Covid? Medically necessary surgeries, criminal trials, and…royal honors, the sad backlogs of a pandemic. 🙄

      • Barb Mill says:

        Actually why isn’t Edward the Duke of Edinburgh doing them. Isn’t he a working royal?

      • Christine says:

        That’s the part that made me cackle, Barb Mill! Poor Edward, forgotten again.

      • PrincessOfWaffles says:

        Are they sick, on non speaking terms or lazy? (Probably the latter) To shove out the married-in for investiture is SUCH A SLAP IN THE FACE of all the good people who are up for titles. (Only Diana is an exception because she was a true blood queen of hearts.) Who wants to be invested by tampon queen, freakin Sophie or wiggle hands wigglet? srsly.

    • swaz says:

      That was my first thought, that Charles wants to find something meaningful for Camilla to do, but that’s a very bad idea. The British people love their born Royals, they only started loving everybody else after Meghan came in the picture . Camilla looks worn out and she is scared of flying so Charles is brainstorming 😬

      • Smart&Messy says:

        swaz, great minds think alike 😛 Charles is brainstorming about finding something for Cam where she can be photographed once a week being queenly in a controlled and comfortable environment. He knows that her health won’t allow much more. I wonder if her boozing is getting worse or she has some other major health issue.

    • TigerMcQueen says:

      I think Charles is pushing this for Camilla because Camilla is having him push for it. We all know who rules that roost. IMO, this is similar to the “consort” being dropped and her grandkids taking part in the coronation, etc., she doesn’t want to be a married in or treated as a married in, she wants to be treated as a blood royal.

    • Cara says:

      Camilla with a sword near someone’s neck?? Is that really a good idea?? That boozing old bat will behead somebody!! I say let her do Piers Morgan first. She has obviously promised this “honor” to him as well as that dirtbag Jeremy C.

      I would also like to add that if the list of honor recipients is too long for the king to handle himself then they are being given out to far too many people and it has ceased to be an “honor”.

  2. ThatsNotOkay says:

    Only if people can choose which royal gives them their award. Like, you’re sending Sophie? Nah, I’ll wait until someone REAL is on duty. It could settle once and for all who is most popular. And that would be a fun war to start.

    • Smart&Messy says:

      Yeah, getting it from Sophie is like, you guys just mail it so I don’t have to stagger around in heels all day for 3 mins with SOPHIE.

    • BeanieBean says:

      Oh, I like that idea!

    • kirk says:

      Yeah IIRC one justification for replacing the Civil List with Sovereign Grant is that Civil List made clear which royals were more popular. Not sure if or when Brits would reform Sovereign Grant, or get royals to sign on for competitive popularity again.

      • Lorelei says:

        @Kirk, if you happen to return to this post and see this reply, would you mind explaining (to this clueless American!) how the Civil List made it obvious who the more popular royals are? I always thought that the Civil List and Sovereign Grand were purely financial, but now I’m super curious and intrigued after reading your comment!

      • kirk says:

        Lorelei – from one clueless American! to another 😉 –
        The primary reason put forth for switching from Civil List to Sovereign Grant was simplicity. Although Prince Phillip was the only BRFCo member to receive an annuity from the Civil List, the fact that it involved a table of accountable line items with annual parliamentary debate on the List and grants-in-aid “meant painful annual discussion on every aspect of royal expenditure, accompanied by a tabloid-led debate about whether individual members of the family were ‘good value for money’.” (PM David Cameron) (

        Sovereign Grant is supposed to be linked to Crown Estate profits, but has a golden ratchet clause, meaning it can only ever increase. COVID effectively delinked them. This website shows comparative costs under the two systems, but does not include COVID period:

    • Cara says:

      @THATSNOTOKAY Can you even imagine what a super-charged sh*tshow that would be?? No one would choose Charles!!!

  3. Selene says:

    I wouldn’t be impressed with any married-in royal unless it was Meghan, but that shipped has long sailed.

    • Smart&Messy says:

      They would never ever have allowed a biracial woman to hand out their precious honors. I mean they couldn’t stand the sight of her on the balcony, so no way.

  4. Tacky says:

    My god, Andrew never gives up. He is working so hard on Beatrice’s royal ambitions.

    • Flower says:

      Edo is also working REALLY hard on Bea’s Royal ambitions.

      • Smart&Messy says:

        I agree, and he is doing a stellar job in styling her and selecting events. Edo is a shameless climber, but I like them as a socialite and working royal couple.

      • BQM says:

        They’re more charming, friendly and fashionable than the Waleses. Look at their greetings of the bride and groom at the Jordanian wedding. And they were specifically invited with the Waleses being the official reps. Beatrice at least has fun with her fashion and doesn’t jazz hand her way through things.

    • Mary says:

      Which is funny because she (drunkenly?) sliced up someone’s cheek at a party fake honoring a guest with a sword. I think it was Ed Sheeran.

      • Athena says:

        It was Eugenie who did that.

        Why is there no mention of Edward? Did everyone forget about him or that his a blood royal?

        As an aside, I like how Beatrice and Eugenie are usually seen at royal weddings. They are friends with others of royal blood enough to be invite not an official capacity.

      • Lorelei says:

        It really feels like 99% of the population forgets Edward exists like 99% of the time.

        Sophie is out there a bit more, but she’s so dull that no one pays attention or cares and she makes it easy for people to forget about her when she’s not being shoved in Iike faces as a “secret weapon” or some nonsense. And somehow, even her presence *still* does not remind people that Edward exists. I feel like Edward could walk down most streets in this country unrecognized. I mean, if he walked into my house right now, I’d be the only one who knew who he was.

  5. Jais says:

    Christopher Joll says this is one of the problem of Charles introducing the relatively new concept of working royals and non-working royals. Nice to see an actual historian recognizing that this is actually a new thing. Seems like it was invented to exile.

    • kyliegirl says:

      Finally they are calling the royals out on this BS of “working” and “non-working” royals. Trooping the Color will be interesting. People are already bored of the “working” royals.

    • Lorelei says:

      It infuriates me (on behalf of the British people) that the slimmed-down monarchy does not mean a “slimmed-down” annual amount from the Sovereign Grant. How on earth are they getting away with this?!

  6. Bee says:

    Really? How hard is it to hand out a medal or brooch? Charles can’t handle it himself? His mother did it into her 90s. They bow to you, you hand over the box with the medal in it, get photo’d, and that’s it. Jeez.

    • AmB says:

      Two things:
      1. The comedy potential here far exceeds any of your little “tradition” quibbles.
      2. And it’s not like medals or whatever get stale, just gang ’em up a few times a year and churn ’em through.

    • Becks1 says:

      Charles does still do it, as does Anne and William. I think Edward does it as well but I’m not 100% on that. I dont think Harry has ever done it. So really they’ve only lost two people in the last couple of years (The Queen and Andrew) who did this, it seems like something that William can very easily do more of, especially since he’s supposedly based in Windsor FT now.

      • Nic919 says:

        I don’t think the queen did investitures since Covid except maybe that one veteran who was over 100. So it’s been Charles, Anne and William for a while now. (Maybe Edward. I’m not sure if he has). I suppose Charles is now busier as king, but seeing as how William does a fraction of what Charles did as PoW, he could just pick up the slack.

      • Becks1 says:

        @Nic919 that’s really what so much of this boils down to, isn’t it? In almost all of these stories about how there are no royals left to do XYZ, the answer is almost always “William can just do it since he’s not doing anything else as PoW.” his laziness is becoming more and more obvious. I mean WE’VE known he was lazy for years, but I think its getting harder for the press to act like he’s not lazy, you know?

  7. L84Tea says:

    Translation: I want my reward for all the work I have done trying to prop Kate up and throw Meghan under the bus! My lips are so very tired from kissing all of these broke Middleton bottoms and I want a title for it because I know Kate would give it to me!

  8. Janey says:

    Kate couldn’t successfully host a teddy bears picnic.

    • Minnieder says:


    • Lorelei says:

      Kate would put the sword on the wrong shoulder or something, then claim she’s “still learning” as if that is endearing or even acceptable considering her age and how long she’s been a member of that family.

  9. Eurydice says:

    How do they handle investitures now? Are they one off, whenever they feel like it? Or are they done in batches at particular times of the year?

  10. equality says:

    Are there that many investitures (outside of all the honors they give themselves)? Are C, W and A having trouble keeping up with them all? I would think most people who are into that sort of thing would prefer the actual monarch performing the ceremony.

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      There’s about 30 per year with approx 60 recipients in each one. For a start thats asking too much from Mumbles – even doing a third of them would push her over the edge.

      • smarmyo says:

        1800 honors are given out each year? So that means that in the roughly 70 years of QE2’s reign, 126K awards were dispensed? Wow, that’s a lot of stars.

      • Lcr says:

        So they perform about 3 investitures a month. Maybe a little less or more. Seems like low hanging fruit if someone wanted to add more “work” events to their schedule…

      • Lorelei says:

        @LCR, right? I feel like we often see photos from investitures, and since Bill could probably do them blindfolded, I’m surprised he doesn’t do more to up his numbers with such a simple, quick task that would also (possibly) get his photos in more papers. With no Kate around, so he wouldn’t have to worry about being cropped out, lol.

  11. Alice says:

    How is this an actual problem? I think early on in Elizabeth’s reign only she and the Queen Mother did it, and they eventually added Margaret.

    Philip was also a great-grandchild of Victoria but he didn’t do it.

    Charles’s working/not working thing is stupid AF and short sided but what a weird thing to fixiate on.

    • BQM says:

      If the queen mother did any then that’s the precedent right there. She was a married in of non royal birth.

      • Alice says:

        I’m going to now do more research than the writer of the article did.

      • Lauren says:

        The Queen Mother was anointed as queen in a coronation ceremony, so I think that’s why it was okay for her to do it.

      • Nic919 says:

        If the anointing is the basis for the queen mother doing it then Camilla can do them

  12. Elizabeth says:

    I noticed that CT didn’t mention that the Duke of Edinburgh could host investitures along with KCIII, the Princess Royal, and the Prince of Wales. I think they should be able to handle the volume between the four of them. They could also rope in the Duke of Gloucester to do a few.

    • Lauren says:

      I think Edward is sick, which is why he can’t do it. Why they are hiding this fact, I don’t know, but it seems rather obvious given how he looks.

  13. You can’t let drunken horses do the investitures. My god the manure alone would be a b*tch to get out of the rugs.

  14. Lady Digby says:

    Majfybe an Away Day for the cough, working royals, to agree a fair division of labour between the stupendous seven? Cos at the moment CC are still pooped from the Chubbly, Basher is MIA and yet Kate is FORCEd out there in the hot sun running about rugby fields etc., twice a week and now she’s expected to hands out medals as well? Is it fair to ask a 41 year old mum of 3 to double her workload and actually work 2 days a week for 30 weeks with only 22 weeks for annual leave? Do the RF expect our Kate to neglect both her children and piano practice for the sake of gladdening the hearts of the peasants??

  15. Lizzie says:

    Edward, Beatrice and Eugenie all fit the bill. Liar CT making a case for Camilla.

    • SarahCS says:

      Yeah the absence of Edward from the conversation is weird. I mean I can completely understand people not wanting him but if you’re willing to accept one of these things that suggests you buy into the institution. He’s royal.

      • Lorelei says:

        I mean, I personally think all of these “awards” are BS, but for the people who truly care about them and have been wishing for one their whole lives or whatnot, I’d think they would prefer receiving it from the Queen’s son instead of his wife?

  16. EasternViolet says:

    this also highlights the arbitrary designation of working and non-working… So what is more important to Charles… the “blood” thing or the “working” thing.

  17. tamsin says:

    I could be wrong but I don’t think Prince Philip ever did investitures, born a prince, although “foreign.” I know the Queen, Charles, and Anne did investitures, and William started to before the Queen died, probably to relieve the workload on his grandmother. Andrew and Edward would qualify but they don’t seem to have been put in the rotation. Harry would have done a great job, and credibly, having done things worthy of awards himself. This “working royals” notion is the dumbest designation I’ve ever heard, and applied to some people an oxymoron. They’ve gotten themselves in a corner with their emphasis on “working” and “blood”
    royals. And as someone who lives in a Commonwealth country, I have a beef with them handing out anything with the word “empire” in it.

    • BeanieBean says:

      I wondered about that. Since they don’t even have an empire any more, why are they handing out awards in the name of an empire?

      • SarahCS says:


      • kirk says:

        Re: British EMPIRE – Recently watched FDR program on History Channel. All recreated convos between Churchill and FDR has Churchill incessantly complaining
        ‘what about my colonies!?’ with FDR responding that:
        (a) Americans won’t die to prop up British Empire, & (b) fighting for freedom includes fighting FOR people in Brit colonies.

  18. Brassy Rebel says:

    The description of Camilla “staggering around, half in the bag, trying to balance a sword 🗡️ on someone’s shoulder” made me spit out my ☕. You’re in fine firm this morning! 😆

    • Puppy1 says:

      @ Brassy Rebel, agree!
      The old gray mare, she ain’t what she used to be

      • kirk says:

        “The old gray mare, she ain’t what she used to be”
        “staggering around, half in the bag, trying to balance a sword 🗡️ on someone’s shoulder” — 😂

  19. HeyKay says:

    Talk about a rich peoples problem. LOL.
    I’d say William and Edward could easily do this task.
    No one wants to have to deal with Camilla. Kate? No Thanks.

  20. Laura D says:

    I don’t understand this. Surely, the whole point of these investitures/ceremonies is that the recipients meet a blood royal. If any old married-in can award them then how long before we have Aunt Aggie from down the road handing out knighthoods and OBEs on behalf of the royals. They’d be better off posting them!

    William should be told in no uncertain terms to get his finger out of his arse and do some bloody work. For goodness sake it’s not as if the work is that hard. It’s a cushy little number with fantastic perks and benefits. William has known from a very early age that he will be king and all the position entails. If he doesn’t want to carry out his duties then he should stand down and let Harry (or whoever is now in-line for regent) take up the position until George is of age. IMHO it’s as simple as that.

  21. maisie says:

    we are seeing signs here that even the awful British press is waking up to the reality that everything popular/marketable/interesting about this family died along with the Queen. If H&M had stayed in, maybe less so. But nobody is interested in this bunch of misfits, halfwits, layabouts, pedos, sops and plastic surgery victims.

  22. Scout says:

    If only William weren’t so busy as a top chemical engineer, working to protect the world’s water supply….then he could dedicate more time these necessary royal tasks…

    But alas, the man cannot be everywhere at once. So bring in the peasants….

    • Cara says:

      @SCOUT This is by far the best comment on here!!! His people paint him out to be a combination of the second coming of Christ and Tony Stark (Ironman).

  23. aquarius64 says:

    Don’t let Kate do the investitures. She’d cut the poor person with the sword.

  24. BeanieBean says:

    I really don’t see the issue. If The Queen saw it as one of her most important duties, and she herself handed out these honors more often than not–I only remember these things being done by Charles late in her life–then why do we suddenly need a bunch of backups? Charles should be doing the majority of these things just as his mother did before him. There’s no need for lots of spares. As it is, William’s done a few of these lately. Is the poor poppet overworked?

    • Interested Gawker says:

      Married ins, even if they did bear heirs, should not be doing the investitures. This would be the same sort of needless error Charles made with shutting out the aristocrats from the coronation. It’s what royalty is ‘for’.

  25. j.ferber says:

    I see Kate’s left eyebrow is acting up again. Is it the Botox that does that? I’ve had Botox, too, and my eyebrows have never gone insane. Curious.

  26. EllenOlenska says:

    I bet they’re thinking that if they get Kate in the lineup at least a small part of the population MIGHT click on the photo to see what she is wearing if the person being invested isn’t super famous. Which, in their minds wold up their odds to one in six vs Zero chance.

  27. Jay says:

    The King, the Princess Royal and the Prince of Wales – why wouldn’t that be enough to hand out all of the orders? If the Queen, along with Charles and Anne, was able to cope with the investitures during her long reign, why would there suddenly be a need to get Camilla, Kate, or Sophie involved? This feels like a solution in need of a problem. The other thing we should mention is that Charles is not likely to give up that cash for honours grift anytime soon. Why would he let Kate, or even his own son, in on a lucrative scheme?

  28. Justjan says:

    It sounds like an easy job. Maybe the grandkids can do it.
    Also, and I am just curious, is it hard for the English to use the words “royal birth” without rolling their eyes and “air quoting” it?

  29. one of the marys says:

    “William and Kate don’t want to do it but they don’t want anyone else to do it either.”
    This is the best summation of the last several years

  30. Tessa says:

    Kate could have a pre of her hitting some piano keys if she does investitures.

  31. Lizzie says:

    I guess the dart hit ‘Things Harry can no longer do’ on the dartboard in the Hate For Hire offices.

  32. Carolind says:

    I think only blood royals should do Investitures.

    Sophie out on an engagement with William tonight. I suppose Katie putting the family to bed.