Katie Nicholl returned to Vanity Fair this week to give an exclusive on Prince Harry’s appearances in a London court, in his case against Mirror Group Newspapers. Nicholl has few, if any, sources in the Sussexes’ camp, but she’s proven time and time again that she has excellent sources in Kensington Palace and Buckingham Palace. Which makes the VF exclusive kind of interesting – the quotes she has about Harry’s ballsy campaign to change the way the British press operates are all basically repurposed from what Harry has said himself. The added flavor comes from the fact that King Charles and Prince William are clearly monitoring the progression of Harry’s many lawsuits and they’re scared sh-tless. Some highlights:
What Harry hopes to achieve: According to a source close to Harry, the prince feels his lawsuit is “not about seeking payouts or public apologies but about changing the way the tabloid press operates….Harry will stop at nothing. He believes he was hacked and that he has every reason to believe this was the case, given that the Mirror has admitted to historic phone hacking [in other cases]. In his eyes everything leads back to phone hacking.”
How Charles & William feel: Given the high-profile nature of the case and the personal nature of questioning, King Charles and Prince William were both said to be wary about Harry giving evidence. It is understood that Harry’s father had previously advised him not to take on the tabloids but Harry was intent on having his day in court.
Ominous: The fact that he has pursued the case is said to be another factor dividing Prince Harry from his family. “The family believes this is not going to end well,” one source said.
Harry didn’t see his father or brother: Harry’s relationship with his father and brother remains strained and he has not seen them during his fleeting trip to the UK. Harry is expected to leave for California Wednesday evening.
Embarrassing his trash family: The case risks embarrassing the royal family as private information has been revealed about other family members in Harry’s case against News Group Newspapers (NGN). Court documents in April revealed that his brother, Prince William, had accepted “a very large sum of money”—thought to be about 1 million British pounds—from Rupert Murdoch’s NGN after he was a victim of phone hacking.
Worth it: At times he appeared exasperated and even overwhelmed as he endured hours of questioning, but sources close to Harry say it is worth it to the prince, who has said it is his life’s mission to change the media landscape. On Wednesday, he admitted that he was taking legal action “as a way to stop the abuse, intrusion, and hate that was coming towards me and my wife.” A day earlier, he singled out TV presenter and journalist Piers Morgan, who Harry claims has subjected him and his wife, Meghan Markle, to a barrage of abuse and harassment. “Harry is a man on a mission, and he wants to see change,” says a second source who knows him well.
At this point, I just read everything as a threat. Honestly, it feels like the British media and the Windsors are on the same page about that too: they want actual harm to come to Prince Harry, they WANT things to “not end well” for him. Of course, they also just want Harry’s many lawsuits to end badly, as in: they want Harry to lose all of his lawsuits. William and Charles want to continue on with the arrangements they already have with the press. They like the status quo. The status quo has gotten them here, to this moment, where the Windsors and the British press can all live in a contented bubble of delusion of their own importance and significance. They all believe that if they simply repeat a thing enough times – “Harry is wrong, Harry is miserable, Harry would love to come back” – then it will become a fact.
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Just want to say this: this man is so courageous.
He is going up against media (which has a lot of shady people behind them) and the BRF.
Most people in his situation would have just nodded, did what he was told and remained a sycophant hanging out at the periphery of things as more heirs were being born.
He certainly is and I respect him so much.
The BRF’s survival utterly depends on the gutter press and that’s why they’re so annoyed Harry is trying to take them down, in this regard Harry is really threatening their existence.
In the UK no news from the Royals would ever reach the population if those articles were not purposely leaked as ‘scandals’ or fake exclusives to the press.
It is baffling.
In the 1990s, at least they all seemed fair game.
They all got called out. Now it’s skewed and looking very shady.
Would like to add that Charles Spencer is really supporting him. Seems he also got revenge bad press after calling out the media after Diana passed away. He is not just saying things himself, but also retweeting pro-Harry tweets. Glad Harry has at least one relative in his corner.
@flower this is what I don’t understand. What does the press get out of not reporting ever on the main royals? They do t get anything as far as I can see. Even reporting minor scandals or missteps by Will and Kate would get them more clicks but not bring down the whole thing.
ShazBot seems like rich people with great interest in influencing public opinion are trying to buy all major media and push them to the right. See also: CNN for instance.
Have people worship those in power and only get mad at LGBTQ+, minorities and feminists etc, instead of the people who are really making their lives worse.
I am guessing the BRF is just the main symbol for this worship of elites and has become a mere puppet to them to act as the face of it.
Agree – Harry’s got more balls than a ball pit at a soft play centre!
Lol, how do you people even come up with these things? 😀
Media + Monarchy = Mafia. We’re all praying for the Duke of Sussex, his wife, their children.
Even that paparazzi car chase/warning/intimidation in NYC did not sway him. He is the only real MAN left in the BRF.
I agree. His family has shunned him. These rags hahounded Harry all his life, and then gave Meghan an even worse time. Charles could have stepped in then, and at least spoken to the head of these tabloids, he did it before, Camilla copped it for a long time after Diana died. She was loathed. Bit by bit, they started singing her praises, and once she and Charles were engaged, there was not a negative article about her. First they treat Harry and his wife like shit., and then leave these vultures to pick Harry and his family. Harry is very courageous, but it is a big ask to change the way the tabloids operate. But if there is to be change, it has to start somewhere.
I think this court case is another reason why Charles nicked off to Transylvania. He doesn’t want to see here or read about it. I want Harry to win so badly. I really don’t think he is going to, in which case he should go back to California and live his life his way. It was a massive decision to move to the US., but is this allows him to lead a peaceful life, then they did the right thing.
AnnaKist, it’s interesting that you don’t think Harry will win–I do. Difference in the interpretation of the testimony. I believe Harry made a strong case that there were details in the articles that could not have come from a source. His attorney’s questioning of Kerr? also was quite interesting. IMO she threw P!ss Morgan under the bus. The fact that she was so adamant that she had never done anything wrong, nor did she know that anyone else did, was eyebrow raising.
He definitely has them on the blagging, because flight information is never given out for security purposes, but they published his flight schedules. How did they know what dates to look for? I think this is going better for him than you know.
I’m just surprised that people are talking about wins/losses yet with this case. This isn’t solely Harry’s case. There are more plaintiffs to give testimony. By all normal accounts (non BM tabloids/royalist reporting sycophants), actual people present, Harry did very well.
MGN is already on record for wrong doing. Yes, phone hacking.
Kerr, not remembering. Sigh. BM “journalists” have interesting convenient memories. Are we suppose to believe now that Traducing Niche Tominey won’t remember 15-20 years from now who told her about H&M dating or who gave her the false crygate story? After all, she was CONFIDENT in her sources. Or, Sad Little Man of 4 takes won’t remember who leaked to him about the Sussexes stepping down? BS
Aren’t journalists suppose to be recorders of history? But, they suffer memory loss when questioned in a court case?
I’m hoping that the coverage of other plaintiff’s is ongoing with social media/good news outlets. Harry’s situation is very strong. The argument of “public interest” could go quickly south with an even stronger case involving someone who is not a public figure.
Harry is right saying, (paraphrasing), what is of interest to the public isn’t necessarily of ‘public interest’.
It’s interesting to think about it from a “Privilege for good,” stance, and I wonder if that’s how Harry sees it.
He has so much privilege: white, Royal, wealthy, famous, straight, cis, etc, all off the identity protections one can have, *and* he’s used to this level of scrutiny, he grew up with it, he saw what it did to his parents.
Now, he’s in a position to make a change, because of all of his privilege, and how it could make so much of a difference to those who don’t have the ridiculous amount that he has.
100%
So well said, Anastasia.
Harry could have happily trotted off into the sunset with his beautiful family and piles of money in the bank, but he didn’t. He actually cares that peoples’ lives, other than just his and Meghan’s, are being ruined by a malignant British media.
idk what they expected him to do? they kind of led him down this path. i think the Windsors know they cannot battle the tabloids…the RF is just too interesting for them to not poke and write about, so they leak and strike deals to boost certain members. Harry no longer has any of their protection (not that M&H had it before). Harry wants fairness and transparency in a world that too many ppl love to click on gossip rags for fun…he’s brave but i don’t think these attacks will diminish in any way. and his family certainly won’t lift a finger to help bc this takes the heat off of them.
The stories trying to discredit the NYC pap chase abruptly stopped. So abruptly that something happened to stop them in their tracks. I think that bodes well.
it stopped bc Harry’s case started. this is way more interesting. that story ran it’s interest course…it’s way more clickbaity to write about the “thicko” prince in court. how many stories did they run bc he was one day “late” to his court case?
They stopped at least a week before he started this current appearance.
you might be right that there seems to be a 4-5 days or so where they didn’t harp on the chase story 24/7, and rehashed bs, but then end of last week they started immediately on the fact Harry was due to testify and listing all their lawsuits. i think the chase story died down bc there was nothing new to write about…they interviewed police, bystanders, friends, the mayor, anyone and everyone, even paparazzi (ffs..) and there was no footage to show. there wasn’t anything new to write to clickbait.
Thanks for acknowledging! I still think the way it just went…crickets…is suspicious. They could have continued to mine the story forever if they’d wanted (cf tiaragate and tightsgate always being resurrected). I guess the only point I really want to make is that one particular story stopped, so they did something “right” in that situation. Maybe that won’t translate to other issues, and especially not to the press lawsuits, since H really is attacking their means of living. I hope it will, though!
Shawna, I agree with you that something seems to have happened. Didn’t Backgrid say they would be investigating? I wonder if they got information from the paparazzi that they really don’t want out there because of the illegality. I wonder if NYPD asked for all of the videos/pictures of the paparazzi for that night? It would undoubtedly prove H&M’s reports of the happenings of the night.
@Saucy&Sassy – finding out that H&M were right would definitely shut them up about the whole thing!
I noticed that too. They stopped for about a week before they started to focus on the court case. Something tells me that the footage Harry shot on his cell from the limo and the taxi shows something incriminating. He is playing it close to the vest but he looks very confident. Something’s up.
Visiting England. News reports H is not presenting facts. “I think” and “I feel” statements are not facts and they’re saying that’s useless in a court of law so of course he’s going to lose as there’s no real proof or hard evidence or provable fact. Every report I’ve seen makes fun of his effort and insists he’s still just not very bright Harry
The case does not hinge solely on PH’s testimony. In a civil case with damages to someone’s reputation, how they feel is vital testimony. Even if PH weren’t intelligent, he is represented by counsel who know how to present a case. He wasn’t a technical witness to establish how hacking was done. You can’t rely on news coming out of the UK to represent anything adequately.
Surely Gale, of course the tabloids are going to say he won’t win. He attached copies of documents to his witness statement. PI invoices and phone log records. What he’s saying is that articles are suspicious when we they have detail that they shouldn’t have had, and then you see that there are PI invoices for that time. There is absolutely NO (phone?) records regarding Harry–obviously someone went to a lot of trouble to destroy them at the Mail. Harry even said that in his testimony.
I think he’s done a very good job and I think he’s got a very good shot at winning. He was the first person to testify, but now the others will testify. I think the Mail and other tabloids that Harry is suing are getting a bit desperate since Harry testified. He was quite composed throughout and answered opposing counsel’s questions without faltering. Oh, yes, the tabloids are getting desperate.
@SurlyGale – Every news report: you mean you’re taking Harry’s adversary for a truth teller…? Come on.
Don’t believe the tabloids. They are all covering their azzes and making Harry out to be a fool which he is decidedly NOT. They are scared spitless because Harry has to win on only one of his 33 charges and no smoking gun is required. That’s not how this sort of case works. The tabloids always get rid of the evidence and it is up to the judge to decide if the circumstances are conclusive. In every instance of Harry’s confidential info being published in tabloids, there was a documented payment made to known hackers and blaggers within days before or after the leak. That is why the judge called in Jane Kerr; her name occurred too many times on payments associated with leaks. She, in turn, claimed that some of the info was injected into her stories by Piers Morgan who may well be called into court as his name will come up a few more times .
“Harry is expected to leave for California Wednesday evening.”
And how would they know that if they weren’t gathering illegal information?
That said, of course they are going to say things will end badly. They hope for Harry, but fear it will be for them. It’s opening a can of worms that could expose more than just hacking of celebrities.
@Snuffles, you’d be surprised where people get their info and who does the talking. And it’s not only inner circle people who are approached. For instance, my extended family used to spy on me through my finance people
That’s just foul. I hope their business tanked.
They know he is leaving because his testimony is complete and he’s made it clear he’s not safe in the UK. The hacking scandal came it light years ago and all sorts of settlements have been paid, Harry is simply seeking his day in court that his family denied him when he was younger.
This is the part that no one is talking about, in the media. How did William get his over one million U.S. dollars “settlement”, if he wasn’t trying to fight the media in the first place?
Did they just call him up and tell him they owed him more money than most people see in their lifetime?
Of course not. This is all bullshit, to detract from William being William.
Harry has set a precedent of leaving the UK directly after his business is completed. It wouldn’t be difficult draw that conclusion for this visit. Carrot, thank you for sharing your experiences here, they are fascinating. Perhaps you should write your own autobiography under an assumed name.
If he stayed at Frogmore then the Palaces would have had a good idea of what his itinerary was and they live to leak whatever they can about the couple.
Harry took a photo with an AA flight attendant so he’s definitely back in the states.
Katie Nicholls was guessing. Harry left right after the coronation to go HOME. It wouldn’t take much to believe he would leave soon after his court time. I don’t think anyone expected him to hang around jolly ‘ol England for long.
Hm. I think William and Charles are interested because they don’t know how this is going to go…and if Harry succeeds in cowing the British Press, that could end up freeing Charles and William a little from their grip. The BP holds so much over them and the quid pro quo with the BP and briefing on each other’s palaces to avoid your own negative press that the BM seems to be publishing now anyway, has got to be exhausting. I think they don’t think he will win but hoping he will for their own selfish reasons. They’re not willing to fight for themselves but are super okay with lessers fighting on their behalf. Kings, indeed.
I think they’re actually worried about the reverse.
Even if Harry does not win this trial, Harry and his other co-defendants are effectively enacting their own #Levenson2 of sorts. If the paps continue their coverage in the same vein, they will be making Harry’s point over and over and strengthen the case for future action.
So that leaves the rest of the Royals in a sticky situation as the tabs will focus their efforts elsewhere and possibly even punish the remaining Royals for not being able to “contain” H&M
I was thinking the same @Flower. In my head I read that as “this is not going to end well for Chuck and Willnot”. If a Levenson2 were to come out of these trials, the rota are more likely to drop the invisible contract and write what they know about Chuck, Camilla and Willnot to get clicks. They do NOT want that to happen.
@flower I think you’re on the money here. It is like an inquiry but with no criminality pending it’s just going to put the press on notice. But it doesn’t mean better behaviour necessarily from them or Charles & William.
@Feebee and @Couch Potato – yep agreed that it won’t change Billy and Chuck’s behaviour but they will have less control over the narrative.
Also secretly I think William is paying attention, he is only too happy for this to go down in his fathers reign and the new contract and boundaries to be laid out.
Chuck is the one who is most harmed here, if Bill has any sense he’ll watch, pay attention and then make up with his brother as his father ages, because as time goes by he will realise that he cannot win this war of attrition.
“They all believe that if they simply repeat a thing enough times – “Harry is wrong, Harry is miserable, Harry would love to come back” – then it will become a fact.”
Because they haven’t learned that beating the drum of “Harry is a thicko” didn’t make it true (as present experience is very much showing).
And if, God forbid, TPTB want to arrange that this ends badly for Harry, Meghan, or their littles the way it did for Diana, TPTB need to remember that there are 400 more pages of Spare 2.0 and Harry is a warrior. If they try any funny business, they’ll be lighting the fuse that blows it all up.
I am sure they don’t think it will end well, they already put the dominos in play – the first car chase has happened.
I wonder why the NYPD has not released the car chase report. I pray that the whole report is favorable to the Sussexes.
Harry took footage of his own. I think he is lying in wait. Don’t expect NYC to release unflattering footage of the car chase unless they can identify the paps as Brits or other foreigners. The mayor is very much concerned with the reputation of NYC as a tourist destination.
Harry has been targeted since birth and his friends and lovers have been targeted since he was a teen. He could play the game but he chose to stand up for himself and his own family. How short sighted are the royals. He is trying to save George and the latest generation from the same trauma. Yet they are not joining him on the same side.
The royal family is trash. Cowardly, vicious trash. Harry is the hero in this tale. They are too stupid and deluded to know it, but they are the villains. Depends who writes the history books, but here and now, we know the truth. It reminds me of the American Westerns of one good man against a mob and the town folk who won’t help him, like the great High Noon (with Gary Cooper and Grace Kelly). The good man stands alone and wins. May it be so in good Prince Harry’s case.
High Noon is such an apt comparison. And the way Gary Cooper throws his sheriff’s star down in disgust, into the dirt, and blows town with beautiful Grace Kelly is exactly how I picture Harry’s mood when he quit the BRF and the UK (and every time he leaves).
Agree.
Yes and no @j.ferber. Harry is not alone in this situation. In ‘High Noon’ the townspeople were afraid or considered cowards for not facing up to the big bad. In this court case, there are ‘townspeople’ or others taking a stand against the big bad. The BM want to make it about just him. Don’t let them do it. I won’t.
It’s more like a combination of High Noon and ’95’s The Quick and the Dead(removing gender of a lead character). One of the people fighting the big bad is a stranger coming to town to avenge a parent’s death. While everyone might appear to be afraid, there are others working quietly behind the scenes to help the fight against the big bad. Last 8 minutes of The Quick and the Dead. What I hope the world sees about the British Media with this lawsuit. A big ole hole through their nasty a$$ stories. (for those not familiar-Gene Hackman’s character is the big bad and Russell Crowe’s character is the one shooting down the false narratives, Sharon Stone’s bad a$$ character is the stranger who arrived and left-imo)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUYix4yyeEA
Early on, when Harry and family were in the process of moving to Montecito, someone said something very wise: “It takes a lot of power to break with the British royal family, power that Diana did not have.”
What power, outside of financial power, did they mean? I think it was cultural power, the power to greatly influence others, the power of another country behind you. And this is all power that Meghan absolutely has, with Tyler Perry, with Oprah, with her strong relationships and friendships and established cultural capital in the acting world.
They thought Harry was marrying a “nothing” – she was her own powerful princess, and rescued him. That’s why this won’t end “badly.” That’s wishful thinking from a group that can’t stand up against the powers of Hollywood without some intense, uncomfortable scrutiny.
Diana could have moved to another country and been supported. She was tied to the UK because of Harry and William and the RF having power over her children.
Grit, I think, and imagination. Grit to pursue a plan and the imagination to see past the palaces in the first place.
So true. Diana had plenty of fighting spirit but the RF had her children as hostages and they’d have forced her to leave her beloved boys behind if she’d tried to get away from the UK. She bravely gave up her chance of freedom to stay as close as she could to them.
This is true. The royals had Diana’s sons. Thus, she had to cautiously feel her way into building her next chapter. The problem is, she was on the rebound from the doctor she loved not having the courage to boldly and openly be with her, much less, protect her. The royals took away her RPO protection, and then lied by saying she gave up her RPOs. Diana didn’t really know who she could trust. These are all reasons why she was vulnerable to Al Fayed offering his protection. Fayed ordered his son, Dodi to break-off his engagement in order to woo Diana.
It was a different era. Diana did not have enough influential, powerful friends. She could not leverage the power of social media, because it didn’t exist yet. People loved her and would have given her the same support we give M&H, but back then, few people knew the harsh details of exactly what Diana was up against. Today, Harry is achieving everything that Diana dreamed of doing, having, and experiencing! As Harry told us, his mother’s spirit is guiding him.
Yeah! The RF isn’t used to married ins with life experience outside their bubble. Diana hadn’t had a chance to gain much life experience, Kate didn’t bother, while Sophie had a career but ruined it and ended up living completely dependent on the monarch. The RF clearly thought Meghan would end up like Sophie, she just had to “learn her lesson first”. It came as a shock to them that Meghan was a fully formed, successful woman with her own fortune and connections. A woman who knew her self worth and wasn’t impressed by their titles.
A big difference though too is Meghan ISN’T English-she came home to California and a place where she had established friendships and first hand knowledge of the celebrity ecosystem. That’s totally different than Diana or any of the other married-ins’ lives.
Diana was the first to want to leave the BRF who was a sane and good person (i.e., not King Edward the Nazi). She wanted to leave for the right reasons — b/c the people in the institution are trash and freedom would have been far better than any “perks” of being a full-time royal. But she was only one person, and her entire adulthood had been formed by the crazy-making Firm. Plus they would always have her sons, as others point out — she couldn’t leave them behind. There was a hard ceiling to how much she could do to escape, how far she could go. Besides which, ever since the frightening chase of H&M in NY, I am more and more suspicious that the BRF had Diana murdered.
However, Harry and Meghan are 2 people not 1. Two are always stronger than one. Meghan married Harry at about the same age as Diana was when she died (I think). Meghan had literally twice as much life experience, education, years of self-sufficiency than Diana did by that time and she entered at the level of maturity and wisdom that Diana left off at. Meghan picked up where Diana left off. Harry saw that spark in Meghan — that beauty and goodness inside in out — that his mother had, and combined his inheritance from Diana, her bright spirit, with all of Meghan’s gifts, and that was enough to defy a millennia-old Empire and its Iago-like press. I hope the two of them will be enough to burn it all down to the ground. I feel that Diana is fighting hard for them from wherever she is.
Wow. You have perfectly summed up how vulnerable Diana was, and yet she shined, and how powerful Meghan is. Harry is a very lucky man.
I like all of these points, and definitely Diana did all she could given her circumstances.
My larger point was much like some of you have said — this isn’t going to “end badly” for Harry, because he’s in a much stronger position than they think he is.
That family better hope it all ends well for Harry. If it doesn’t, they’re screwed. The public will know who to blame.
This is what keeps circling around in my head as I read this post. It better end well for Harry, for the Windsors’ sake.
I Concur, i dont think the RF could withstand the backlash.
Yup. Latest poll published in Yahoo news shows that the majority of us Americans believe H&M regarding the car chase and don’t buy the media’s or RF’s bullshit. If anything happens to H&M they’re done.
I’m certain that it won’t end well.. for the royal family not for Harry . Harry has nothing to lose (except for legal fees perhaps). He doesn’t want money or faux praise pieces from the tabloids. He wants vindication. And he gets that without the judge’s ruling: the whole world witness the manipulations and the unlawful methods these people used. The big loosers are William and Charles because they are exposed.
@First Comment Came here to say this!! They’re projecting again. BRF massively concerned it’s not to end well for THEM.
This whole article could have just been lifted from Harry’s book, his interviews and court statement lol. Even the part about the how the Windsors feel Harry already told us.
Sounds like he’s gonna win..will the press change? Idk yet but this might be a catalyst for something big or small.
If he keeps repeating it enough maybe the British public will finally absorb what he’s saying and see through the invisible contract between the press and royals
Why will it not end well? Are they scheming to finish him off Diana style? Wouldn’t put it past them.
@susanCollins, I wondered that as well. But they are sht scared of what will be released if they don’t continue the codependency game. The brf are so tightly in bed with the press you can’t even Shake the duvet. You can bet the moments Harry leaves this toxic little island,, horse face and her rider will suddenly start appearing in public again, and we will get a few extra barbie and BULLYAM joint visits. Harry has more guts than any of them, but one thing that should be worrying the press and the Royal muppet show, is the popularity of Harry this week, just cheers and “go get them Harry. So Charlie boy and Prince pouty, Harry has ALREADY WON because the PUBLIC BELIEVE HIM
By most accounts, it went very well for Harry in court. Most say it’s a win for him either way. So how then can they believe it won’t end well unless they’re talking about something else entirely? Chilling.
Katie doesn’t really say anything that we didn’t know already.
Charles looks ridiculous in clowning outfit. I feel sorry for George. If Charles did not want this to happen he would have been protective of harry.and Meghan and their children.
Agreed. I’ve seen more regal looks at a Medieval Times show.
Gabby–😂🤣😂
Not going to end well? Both the media and BRF are actively taking steps to make a catastrophe happen (or at least to bring them back to heel through triggering mental issues), yet they want to step back and make it seem that they’re just innocent bystanders sadly commenting on something out of their control. It’s the evilest form of concern trolling.
The Firm is scared bc they may have violated laws against distribution of Harry’s medical and other private information when he was a minor. That could invite criminal charges. Maybe the Firm can prove Charles approved the leaks against Harry. Maybe KP, BP or Clarence House hired a pi to get Meghan’s social security info which is protected as private information under US law and violates her privacy rights as a US citizen. The Firm should be afraid.
I agree. Charles and /or his press officers had no right to reveal Harry’s confidential medical information. It’s clear that Harry had no prior knowledge and did not give his consent. From the 1960s onwards there has been progressive legislation to protect the rights of children and young people under 18. Test cases have reinforced the legislation. Somebody broke the law by accessing confidential medical information and by passing it to the press. The press cannot claim that the information was obtained by lawful means.
In Royal Opposite Land, I think they are really saying they are afraid it will end well for Harry with a decisive ruling against The Mirror Group. Burger King was hacked just like Harry but he took the easy way out and pocketed a secret payment that he was hoping no one would find out about. Whereas if Harry publicly stands up in court and wins, the narrative will be the spare was the hero and the heir to the throne was the secretive, sniveling weakling. Everyone can see this ending coming where, once again, Harry outperforms Burger King.
Yes! And everyone can see what happened, regardless of the outcome. Which is going to be good! 🍿
Aw, poor Will and Charles might be embarrassed by accepting money and favors from the tabloid owners who have harrassed other people to the point of suicide and mental breakdown.
Katie Nichol like most of the British Media is a proven liar, “Archie’s room walls have will lavender infused paint.”
Regurgitating tabloid nonsense.
Derangers are also going on about Charles taking the children away. I doubt Charles would want to raise children when he is pushing 75. Such ridiculous stories out there
Tessa, let’s add Katie stating Doria was being kitted out with an in-law apartment in England. She went into lavish details about this imaginary luxurious abode. The tabloids throw out outlandish stories and mainstream media never fact checks the falsehoods. The same lie grows legs with more details added for content. There doesn’t appear to be a demand for journalistic credibility any more especially when it comes to the Sussexes in the race for monetary clicks.
I’ve never understood that threat. In what world is taking children away from their loving parents seen as a “suitable” punishment, what on earth gives them the right? Is anyone meant to see something like that as anything except cruel and awful?
It’s almost cartoonish in its villainy. Do they want to lock the kids in the Tower like the 2 Princes? For the crime of existing? It’s like them wanting Meghan at the coronation so she could be seated in the back, and for extra symbolism, ride in the back of the bus to get there. Derangers are deranged.
Charles didn’t raise his own children. He clearly doesn’t want anything to do with his mixed race grandchildren. Meanwhile Harry is out there protecting the next generation—not just his own kids but Peg’s as well. It will be interesting as they get older what their relationship with Harry will be when they are old enough to think for themselves. Especially Charlotte who is smart enough to know where this is all headed for her.
It sucks that personalities are already being assigned to those kids, whether they fit or not. What we know for sure is Windsor affection is both conditional and transactional. The well being of those kids rests entirely on them turning out exactly as expected. Most decent people would be horrified to have that said about their own children, but it’s somehow perfectly acceptable for the Wales children. If they are LGBTQ, liberal, gifted, not neurotypical, or have passions outside a very narrow zone, they will be scorned back into horsey dull mediocrity unless they rebel.
The claimed right of the Monarch to custody of grandchildren has never been tested in a court of law. It apparently relates to the education of grandchildren and where they live. Since the time of that particular ruling there has been progressive legislation to protect the rights of children. Any action by the King or anyone acting on the King’s behalf which endangered any grandchild would finish Charles’s reign. He cannot seize Archie and Lily and remove them from their parents.
In the case of Harry and William there was a legal separation and then a divorce which inevitably involved lawyers. The Queen had a legal right to be involved in the arrangements. It is known that she refused to allow Andrew’s daughters to attend an international school in Switzerland
With the Wales’s children the Queen and Charles would have been involved in discussions about education.
With the Sussex children there cannot be any such involvement and any attempt to interfere would bring about legal challenges which Charles could not survive.
Not to mention the Sussex children also have US citizenship and are legal residents of the state of California. Just making a serious attempt would ignite a CATASTROPHIC international incident, and it would be destined for failure.
California and the US federal government are never going to allow the removal of two underage US citizens residing in the US from their parents to ship them off to family members in another country for anything less than the kind of extreme abuse that represents a clear and imminent danger to the live of the child.
Derangers are just deranged. A number of legal people have shutdown a blog post from Marlene Koenig about this whole thing. Then, she herself (*cough* royal historian) backtracked. That 1700’s prerogative was very unique to King George. It wasn’t a law it was a prerogative/court decision in the f*cking 1700’s. The UK 1989 Child’s Act would further extend the false narrative of King’s custody.
It wouldn’t involve just a UK court. The nutters are just nuttering.
I really like how Twitter keeps replaying piers stomping out of the studio after the weather reporter defends Meghan. More of piers scenes to come
If William didn’t want to be embarrassed about taking a payout, he shouldn’t have taken it. SIMPLE MATH.
I’ve thought it was more embarrassing to Bill to be seen as someone who forged his brother’s signature without his knowledge and then not share the settlement bounty with him. From the book we know that Harry is aware that the firm has falsified his signature on any number of legal documents.
Talk about David and Goliath. The entire weight of royal historical tradition, plus the weight of 21st century media have combined to squash one person and his wife.
The tabloids are only valuable to the RF as long as they are able to influence peoples beliefs. So regardless the official outcome, this “currency” took definitely a hit. Now I am thinking – one should establish some kind of quality certificate for proven news – that would be the end for all of it, don’t you think?
“this ‘currency’ took definitely a hit” – really interesting point. When will the worth of the tabloids’ partisanship sink lower than the price they have to pay for it?
Hi Shawna, well put. Exactly the right question.
This sounds like an open, public threat. Sounds like Charles the Cruel has some plans for his “darling boy”. He plans to send him (and Meghan and the youngsters) to join Diana.
#AbolishTheMonarchy
I agree. Without an explanatory statement, that really does read like a threat. I am shocked that it was even published.
They are hoping it won’t turn out well for Harry but they should be very worried how it turns out for them.
Win or lose Prince Harry has established plenty of facts regrading the press and monarchy that should make people pause and reflect.
The word “regrading” is a typo error. It should read as “regarding”.
It is a sad day when more mainstream media like The Economists and New York Times adopt the tabloid views when reporting on Prince Harry court case against the Mirror.
The threats are sick: Things won’t end well for Harry or if you will, for the Sussexes. Harry is welcome back, in the BRF and in England, only without Meghan. Harry and Meghan will live to regret the decisions they make regarding Archie and Lili. There are vile, awful people behind publishing those sick threats
I remember, when I very briefly attended a cult (!), that they’d say stuff like “so-and-so left the church and then got into a car crash,” implying that God would punish those who broke away (“God’s will” apparently looks a lot like Final Destination). Needless to say, I didn’t stick around for very long — and then, upon leaving, I discovered that the cult had its own “attack hounds” who would threaten ex-members into silence.
The BRF behaves exactly like a cult, doesn’t it.
They believe that the monarch was quite literally appointed by God himself by virtue of birth. The entire point of the Prince/Princess styles is to highlight blood proximity to The Chosen One, and the entire point of hereditary titles like Duke and Earl and all are to make a public statement that THESE specific people are SPECIAL representatives chosen and blessed by God’s Chosen Monarch to do…stuff. And they are ALL most definitely BETTER than you.
They don’t really try to hide the fact that they are a cult.
The Windsors are worried about Harry. I dont think so by their behavior. They should be totally embarassed with the Middleton family’s trashy grifter behavior and their pushy publicity seeking behavior. BRF may be worried that all the deletions and fake stories controlling the narrative around Khate by getting the media to delete her ugly, and very trashy history may change. Rewriting her stalking and mean girl behavior into a fairytale love story, and her laziness into big projects, is insulting to the integrity of the public. Her grifter parents Party Pieces sold the company for 180 thousand pounds, owing creditors including banks, aroud 4 million pounds. The media is ignoring that situation and keeping it very quiet. If Harry and the others win against the media, things will change and possibly the truth will be reported more often and fake stories will be far less.
Though I am only reading the excerpts here – I feel Kaiser would have selected the relevant parts – this honestly reads like nothing burger- rehashing what was known before BUT smart eyes will see that it actually makes Harry look good & Windsors look bad – it replayed the settlement by W & that KC said not to do it. From what I have noticed – outside of the usual suspects – bots, derangers, the Tabloid press & The Economist – the sentiment is towards Harry. Very high profile journalists, lawyers and former professionals in previous Governments have publicly stated their support. Even Political podcasts that you expect would be at most tepid in their support or totally anti Harry, have called out the coverage of the press and said their reporting is bad journalism as they have a dog in the fight.
It’s already global news that Earl Spencer publicly supported Harry and it’s Diana the globe love and then by extension the RF so this is a much stronger message than the usual Windsor looking down, tired of, want it to go away etc of Harry. If the RF really have smart people working for them as we believe then they would have someone checking the sentiment of the regular people and see that – with ALL the negative vitriol spewing at Harry from the press, there are still a lot of people supporting him…so any entry level government comms person would tell them Harry is on the right side of history…
If Fleet Street goes silent for just 2 days the support for Harry would go very high…currently you have to go against a very strong gale wind of negative press and still some people are doing it- as people are tired of the press’ negativity and this differs from the book & Netflix because it’s not about him.
As one journalist said this morning- The fact that the media headlines are so gross and hint at threat – means H has done damage….
The story of when Piss Morgan & Jane Kerr snuck a fake footman into the Royal household and wrote about has been making the rounds- this was when George Bush stayed at BuckHouse and it made a mockery of the RF and the security. after the Queen’s case against PM & The Mirror settled – Piss M said it was a good day at the mirror – I can’t understand how the PoW would want this paper and these people to win over his brother. Then this means the members are for themselves and not for the institution as they claim. I am 100% for Meghan and reading the two articles from this period made me angry on behalf of the RF. During Harry’s testimony, people were calling LBC and kept saying Remember Hillsborough Disaster so I researched it and oh wow, The Sun was so despicable in their reporting that The Sun was banned in most areas of Liverpool.
Why would the RF want to be in bed with these people when you have social media, websites, YouTube etc to shape their own narrative? Even Trump use social to build his wave then the media came ( I hate trump) – who are these people working at these palaces? Why are they so committed to reside in toxicity when clean air and master of your own destiny beckons ?
@MGR thanks for the analysis
Carrot, I agree that the wording is threatening. Poor Harry!
Katie know-nothing-Nicholl (there is not 1 single new information in this piece, she just wrote her hack piece of the month) must be careful. She is outed by Private Eyes as one of the journalists who used information of private investigators in many stories about Harry (allegedly).
So, I’m surprised that Kaiser thinks that she knows anything. She might have or have had palaces contacts (mostly in KP, not so in BP) , but in a lot of her stories and commentaries she is just pretending to have a lot of (palace) contacts. She definitely makes up that she has any contacts close to Harry. The Sussex Squad always calls her BS out with receipts.
Even the ‘the royals think it won’t end well’ is not an original line. it’s been used a many times before by her so-called royal experts/reporters peers.
And, by the way. The judge stroke out Harry’s reply when – at the end of day 2 of his cross examination in court, as he was asking Harry how he was taken it all, and he replayed (out of some other replays) with a broken voice: ” ….. they even want to kill my family.”
The Judge said: “Strike it out.” You won’t read this anywhere in the media (maybe on SM), but some people in courts clearly heard it and teared up when they heard Harry said it softly in a broken voice.
So, Harry and Meghan are fully aware that, apparently, the royal family and other forces are working hard to make ‘it not end well’.
‘replied’
What?!
Really?!
Wow – thanks for sharing that tidbit. Harry must never be able to fully relax when he’s away from home, not knowing what is lurking.
YWc
Yes @Henny O. Katie N. is not an innocent in all of this. She’s connected to stories written with/by unlawful information gathering. Katie Nicholl has no sources close to Prince Harry. None.
Hey, with any luck, Katie Nicholl can write a book titled, ‘Piers & Harvey: Behind Prison Walls
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1329553/Katie-Nicholls-Big-Apple-Diary.html
“A slim lookng Piers Morgan…….” LOL HARD EVIDENCE of Katie Nicholl lies. Thank god she didn’t call Weinstein handsome. Would have puked all over my laptop.
Katie Nicholl is a Windsor suck up and is the reason I cancelled my subscription to VF. The picture of Charles, William and George is disgusting. How much money is involved in producing that travesty and how many people could use those funds to pay bills, buy food, heat their houses? Their costumes, oh excuse me, their robes are sheer excess. Poor Charles really does think he’s portraying what a good king should look like. He’s dead wrong. The good king was in the courts this week. And the people know it.
Well put!
I take some satisfaction in knowing that from now until the last syllable of recorded time, every official Coronation portrait of Charles will show him with his crown on crooked.
Charles thinks he’s king of the UK and fourteen other Commonwealth realms but he can’t even get his crown on straight.
He looks a fool and that’s how he’ll be remembered.
Well they (windlosers, BM) are certainly trying their best (actually, their worst), to MAKE SURE it doesn’t end well for their “beloved” son and brother, aren’t they?
“At times he appeared exasperated and even overwhelmed as he endured hours of questioning.”
Exasperated, I can buy, but overwhelmed? Harry is a soldier. Showing human emotion isn’t the same as being overwhelmed.
How Harry came out of that trash family is a freaking miracle. Thank goodness for Diana’s genes and heart.
I think the BP and BRF are scared sh#%tless that they are losing credibility with the public . Majority of Americans believe HM’s version of the car chase. They should worry how public opinion like this can cause a domino effect around the world. The BP probably thought they can get away with their abusive power forever. It’s just a matter of time. People are also now more aware and will keep calling them out on when they think the BP are doing things that are morally wrong.
And going back to that car chase, it’s way too quiet – I feel it’s a calm before the storm.
Well, I take “This is not going to end well” for Prince Harry as a less than subtle death threat. Remember, an American audience is conversant through the movies (popular theme: criminals, gangs, Mafia, the Godfather movies, etc.) with death threats and we know a veiled threat when we hear one. They are not subtle and they are not smart. Typical gangster threat: “If you don’t pay for protection of your store, who knows what can happen to it?” This in American English is Criminal Threats 101. That the frigging British Royal family and the British press are doing this shit is both obvious and concerning. They have declared their deadly intentions towards a member of the royal family. If MI6 weren’t so corrupt. they would be doing their job and protecting Prince Harry. I am truly gobsmacked by this f-ckery.
I think Harry wins regardless of how the court rules, because if the media didn’t phone tap him, it reveals private info was leaked by the RF (Camilla) or their team, which doesn’t reflect well on his family and supports what he was saying in his book.
I agree. Without an explanatory statement, that really does read like a threat. I am shocked that it was even published.
Edit: this comment is in response to @Beverly’s comment above.
Beverley, didn’t see your comment above. You said it better and more succinctly: what was said is a death threat against Harry.
One of the newspapers being sued must be desperate, and worried, I have never seen so many thousands of likes/dislikes, hating Harry and all agreeing with the media. Do they really believe that people are so stupid as to believe that the thousands of likes and dislikes are genuine. Harry and co must be winning…..
It’s so funny that when the second trailer for Harry and Meghan dropped haters were crying about Harry “violating William’s privacy” by mentioning William’s team repeatedly throwing them under the bus when Harry has never actually talked about the things for which the Windsors use him as a scapegoat to cover up. You never hear H&M or anyone close to them talking about what’s going on with the Windsors that does directly involve them yet you always get quotes about what the Windsors think about anything involving H&M even if it has nothing to do with them going back as far as “royal sources” commenting on Meghan’s relationship with her father and Charles pressuring Harry about it way back in 2018. Can you imagine sources close to the Sussexes talking about the Middletons’ business failures the same way that royal sources have been going on and on about every new Sussex deal and partnership for 3 years?
As I’ve said before; if William and Charles would leave the Sussexes’ business alone they wouldn’t have got dragged into these cases but instead they’ve repeatedly injected themselves into these cases trying to dissuade them from suing and then trying to harm their lawsuits to cover for their pals in the press. It’s inconceivable to me that they didn’t see how badly this all would backfire.
Couldn’t Prince Pegginton simply hand back the million(s) he received in settlement from the ToxicRacistBritishMedia? It’s not too late and he can more than afford it from his newly-inherited billion pound portfolio. What a gesture that would be.
The threat that this will end badly for Harry seems one and the same with KC telling Harry that taking on the BP would be a “suicide mission.”
What the Windsors believe is not significant to anybody anymore. They can believe what they must.