Liz Garbus: ‘The idea of going to tabloids in the UK was kind of a nonstarter’

Emmy nomination voting began last week, and the nominations will be announced on July 12th. Which feels later than usual, but I’m not an Emmy expert. Basically, the Emmy campaigns are going full-throttle right now, which is why there have been so many roundtable discussions and various actor-on-actor profiles in recent weeks. Well, it’s not just scripted dramas and comedies getting into the act – there’s a competitive field in the docu-series category, which is probably why Netflix asked Liz Garbus, director of Harry & Meghan, to do some interviews too. Garbus chatted with the LA Times this week, alongside executive producer Chanel Pysnik, and here are some highlights:

How Garbus came on board with the Sussexes: “If I’m approaching a documentary, I want to know if the folks I’m working with want to share — that they’re game. I had [already] gotten to know Meghan but wanted to have a sense of Harry’s point of view. I got on a Zoom with both of them and … just hearing the stories he had to tell, his desire for openness, his desire to get the story of the last several years of their lives out without the mediation of people with agendas and the British tabloids’ agenda of clickbait, I felt like, “Wow, here’s a story that obviously the whole world is fascinated by.” And that it can really operate on deep historical and cultural levels, too.

Pysnik on the Sussexes’ archives: One thing that was really unique to this project was how careful we had to be with the personal archive. Some of the things [Harry and Meghan] were sharing with us were very much never before seen .… We had to protect the archive in order to continue to build trust and honor the project. So there were a lot of [security] protocols put in place that, I think, went above and beyond what another project would probably do.

Garbus on whether they tried to get input from the British media: “We were trying to keep this project very low profile and under wraps until Netflix chose to announce it to the world, which was really close to when we aired. So the idea of going to tabloids in the U.K. was kind of a nonstarter.

Pysnik on what surprised her about H&M: “For me, it was very much their relationship together … and how they look at each other and interact. As we were crafting the arc of the series, the love story element as the through line just felt authentic and right, considering how beautiful it is to watch them together when they’re just at home or on Zoom or sitting on a couch.

What surprised Garbus: “I had kind of already built a basic relationship with Meghan over the prior year. I wasn’t a royal watcher … I didn’t have those preconceived notions. [Though] I guess I had, like, the vision of a stiff upper lip kind of family member. As everyone knows from our doc, Harry actually is very chatty, very communicative, emotionally intelligent, doing a lot of work on himself in terms of dealing with his past and dealing with being a man married to a woman of color in America. That definitely surprised me.

Whether the series helped or hurt the way the Sussexes are perceived in the UK: “One of the things that I explored in the show was that, in many ways, this was Harry’s journey. That Harry had this very fundamental primal trauma as a child and felt very clearly that the royal family did not protect his mother. And, as a child who loses a mother, there are things that aren’t forgivable. And I think that Meghan was on this journey with Harry, as opposed to her pulling Harry out of something that he would have stayed in were it not for her. Meghan really became the face of the blame for “destroying” something that the British public felt was so important to them. And then [add] throwing every misogynistic and racist trope into that — as has historically been the way women have been positioned in these kinds of narratives.

[From The LA Times]

The talk about the Sussexes’ personal photo archive is fascinating to me, because that’s what struck me about the series – how many photos we got to see which had never been released publicly. Meghan and Harry were dying to show off their wedding photos, as well as some of their family photos from Frogmore Cottage, Canada and Montecito. I wonder how many personal photos got left out of the series – considering Harry and Meghan’s Millennial need to document every single thing, I would imagine a lot of their photos never got used.

I also appreciate Garbus’s understanding of the racist and sexist tropes – or as Meghan would say, archetypes – being weaponized to attack Meghan simply because the British public and the British papers wanted to “blame” her for the Sussexit. And Garbus truly has no time or energy for the British media. Amazing.

Photos courtesy of Avalon Red, Cover Images, Netflix.

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  1. Becks1 says:

    Great interview. It was a really well done docuseries, she did a good job of discussing both the personal and the institutional. Love what she said about their love story being the “through line” for the series.

    • BeanieBean says:

      I also like what she said about Harry already being on this journey. He was always going to leave; Meghan didn’t ‘make him’ leave, he already had one foot out the door.

  2. MrsCope says:

    It infuriates the RR, the British tabloids, the Royalists and Harry’s family how much they love each other. And it continues to be undeniable to anyone in their orbit. They’re not perfect. No two human beings are, and no marriage is (nearly two decades in the game myself), but these two are committed. How bad is it that his desire to protect his wife is spun as obsession, their hand holding is deemed showy. It is love. Real love and it’s a real marriage. Despite the tidal waves of hatred they encounter or that beat against their door on an hourly basis, they are each other’s port in the storm. What a great interview.

  3. Smarty-pants says:

    Long-term lurker here. Two things I have observed.

    1. The British public and the royal family used constructive dismissal to expel the Sussexes. How they blame her for leaving the hostile environment they fermented is shameless DARVO.

    2. The Sussexes made one mistake. It is the first rule of power in Robert Greene’s book; never exceed your masters. The problem though, is that those masters are WanK, for whom mediocrity is the standard. They were going to fail that test no matter what.

  4. Glamarazzi says:

    “And I think that Meghan was on this journey with Harry, as opposed to her pulling Harry out of something that he would have stayed in were it not for her.”
    This has always been my impression of them – Harry driving his own journey of self discovery, which inevitably led to leaving the firm. It feels like he specifically found a woman like Meghan who would support that journey.

  5. MSTJ says:

    I appreciate having this behind the scenes perspective from Liz Garbus and Chanel Pysnik.

  6. Jais says:

    Will there be an Emmy awards telecast if the writers strike continues? WGA would have to give permission for them to similarity do a non-scripted telecast and they did that for the Tonys but this feels different. I do hope Harry and Meghan is nominated. I love the way Liz Garbus and Chanel Pysnick discuss the project.

  7. Brassy Rebel says:

    If this docu-series wins an Emmy, the British media will 🤯.

    • vespernite says:

      HA! In that case give Garbus and Pysnick ALL THE EMMYS!! Plus they really do deserve it, it was a great documentary series.

  8. Eurydice says:

    In Variety’s Emmy predictions article, they have “Harry & Meghan” both being nominated and winning the Emmy.

  9. Amy Bee says:

    I love this.

  10. Interested Gawker says:

    When H, heavily pregnant M and her mother were about to hide Easter eggs Harry said something like, “Let’s go family,” which was sweet and so casually heartfelt. I’m sure that was like flapping a red flag at a bull for the BRF over and above discussing the RR, historical links to slavery and the campaign to harass and endanger the Sussexes.

    They created a documentary that let Harry and Meghan share their story on their own terms and did it so well. Even the music was incisively used to create mood and commentary throughout. I hope it wins some Emmys, it was terrific.

  11. Jferber says:

    The pic of Meghan with her foot on Harry’s leg is so damn sexy and iconic, like a scene in an old movie between sizzling co-stars. Swoon.

  12. dreamchild says:

    They played one of my favorite songs ever, Roberta Flack, Do what you gotta do. I’ve been listening to that song since I’m 15 years old whenever I’m hurting and I’m the same age as Doria. If I didn’t love them already I didn’t know I could love them more. It made me cry and I want to know did Doria or Meghan pick it.

    • Princessk says:

      I think Doria and Meghan had a lot of influence on the playlist. Meghan is very much influenced by Doria.

  13. Patricia says:

    Meghan couldn’t have a better role model than Doria. They are both women of quality and intellect.