Doria Ragland looked beautiful at TIAH’s fifth anniversary party in LA

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At first, I only saw the photos of Kim Kardashian’s terrible (clip-in) bangs and I thought that would be enough for a full post: just me, ranting about bangs. But look, Doria Ragland went to this event too! Y’all it’s about to be a Very Sussex Autumn! This weekend, Doria Ragland attended a star-studded event for This Is About Humanity, a charity which worked with reunified families represented by Immigrant Defenders Law Center. TIAH was founded by Elsa Collins, Zoe Winkler Reinis and Yolanda Selene Walther-Meade to raise awareness and funds for the children taken from their families at the US-Mexico border. You can see more about their work here.

Last December, Archewell put together a gifting event for 30 families through TIAH, and basically, Archewell consponsored the TIAH holiday party. This weekend, TIAH had a fifth anniversary event hosted a private home in LA. Jeff Bezos, Lauren Sanchez, Kim Kardashian, Kris Jenner and many A-listers were in attendance. So… that’s how Doria Ragland is rolling. She’s attending events with Jeff Bezos. Kris Jenner wants to take photos with Doria. ELITE! I’m sure the British papers will be like “yadda yadda the KARDASHIANS” but… like, the Kardashian-Jenners are very powerful culturally, and very powerful within LA. It’s actually a big deal that Doria is friendly with Kim and Kris.

Also, Doria looks amazing. Speaking of ELITE, her skin is beautiful and Meghan is so lucky to have those glowing Ragland genes. I love her simple dress, her jewelry and her tattoos. She was such a hippie mama, wasn’t she?

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  1. Shawna says:

    Kim K was holding Doria so hard, she almost pulled her down! Kim and Kris know how to read a room.

    • Smart&Messy says:

      Hahah just what I spotted immediately. Their grabby hands were like suction cups on Doria.

    • Genevieve says:

      And Doria’s smile is so sarcastic in that pic with just Kris, lol.

      • BlueSky says:

        I don’t think it’s sarcasm. I think Doria was asked to take a picture and she’s trying to look dignified beside those two opportunistic clowns. You know they were all “please tell Meghan we said hello and we would love to have lunch with her”

      • Snuffles says:

        She has the same look on her face in all of her photos. She’s not giving away how she is truly feeling.

      • Megan says:

        I think she was fine posing with them, but there is no way she is introducing them to Meghan.

      • Agreatreckoning says:

        Disagree. Doria is Doria. I’m not seeing she has issues with the Kardashians. As far as I know or recall, they haven’t said anything negative about Doria’s daughter? As far as I know, they are not tax payer funded, and actually work for their $$$?

        Unless one of them kicked Doria or H&M in the teeth, why should she not like them if they get along?

        Doria looks beautiful because she is. I’m jealous how youthful she looks.

    • PrincessK says:

      Yes, looks like Doria was definitely ambushed by the Kardashian’s.

    • BeanieBean says:

      At first glance, I thought that light umbrella thingie was Kim’s hat! And that her weird pose was because she was trying to angle it away from Doria!
      Second glance, I bet nobody knew they’d be standing around on gravel all afternoon. Doria’s shoe choice turned out to be a good one.

    • Wannabefarmer says:

      Clout chasing. I think it’s called? Would they have given her the time of day if she wasnt Meghan’s mom and Haz’ MoL? But gracious Doria, (who taught her daughter so well) just let’s them have their moment. They’re not getting anywhere near Meg and Haz.

  2. Southern Fried says:

    She does look so beautiful with her dreads. A much classier person than than the others that’s for sure.

    • Sam says:

      Wow! I love that she is so natural compared to all the other guests and celebrities in general! And I love how she wears her hair and doesn’t hide herself.
      You’d think she’s the real star of the night as the Kardashians vie for a photo with her!

    • Bettyrose says:

      My first thought when I saw these pictures photos yesterday was how much Doria’s natural beauty stands out in a crowd of extreme cosmetic procedures.

      • dlc says:

        Doria looks radiant! she is a very beautiful woman, with great style

      • Reborn Rich says:

        That’s exactly what I thought. Doria looks so beautiful and glowing and natural. Her glasses, minimal makeup, & natural hair that is graying shows she “cozy within [her] skin.”

      • Rose says:

        Love Doria’s beautiful JCrew summer frock. JCrew is one of Michelle Obama’s favorites too. The colors are perfect with her skin tones. And it’s light and comfortable for a Southern California daytime outdoor party. All of the formal, fussy full-length designer gowns the other women are wearing look overdone and pretentious by comparison.

  3. Josephine says:

    That picture of Kim hanging off of Doria is so off. Doria should steer clear – that family has a very bad track record of using people of color for relevance and she sure as heck doesn’t need a thing from that family. Kim looks like the parasite she is.

    • Eowyn says:

      This. Spot on, you nailed it. The Kardashians are parasitic grifters and Doria clearly is beyond gracious.

    • Ameerah M says:

      Actually Kim just looks starstruck. Its DORIA.

    • L4Frimaire says:

      Apart from being at the same fundraising event, seriously doubt Doria has anything going on in her life where they would cross paths. It was a crowded party. LA is a big city but Hollywood is a small town. Anyway, Doria looked great and Archewell was represented at an event for a cause they support. I suspect other Archewell reps were there too.

    • Agreatreckoning says:

      Uhmmm, d@mn, using POC is an area of expertise from the BRF. A very long history. Colonialism. The Kardashians do have a history of actual work. I’m shocked defending them. But, they do have a history of actual work.

  4. Anna says:

    The Middletons could never

    • Jan says:

      Of course not, they’re not charitable.

      • SIde Eye says:

        Lol Jan! Exactly.

      • ⁷Tree says:

        @jan. You are so right. I never noticed but that’s what is missing. The middletons aren’t charitable at all!! You don’t see them unless it’s fun or free. Technically shouldn’t the middletons go to things. They don’t go because they themselves don’t do favors. Wow. Even pippas husband doesn’t go anywhere unless it’s business related.
        Now with doria she has a history of going places. And she didnt have millions laying around. Although her current company is ….. my opinion doesnt matter.

      • Lady D says:

        “You don’t see them unless it’s fun or free.” Such an apt description of the Middletons. I notice Pippa is with them a lot less, maybe by choice, maybe because she has three little bebops running around her manor?
        Kate’s sister and her nemesis Meghan have beautiful, very large homes compared to Kate.

  5. Jan says:

    Scammy, woman beater and Toxic Tom are going to have a melt down, seeing Doria rubbing shoulders with people that have money, knowing how much they like other people’s money.

  6. Nubia says:

    Doria looks great and say what you will about the K Klan but they seem to generally be pleasant to other women. I just hate the Brit media got matetial for The Kardashian spin.

  7. Snuffles says:

    The Mama Kris is angling hard to get in with the Sussexes, and I wouldn’t rule them out either. If Archewell can harness their celebrity power for some of their charity work, I wouldn’t be mad at it.

  8. s808 says:

    Ms. Doria just looks so beautiful and cool! Her inner peace really shines through. Kim was hanging onto her and looked like a fan lol!

    • JanetDR says:

      Doria looks glorious!

    • seaflower says:

      Her inner peace does indeed shine through.

    • Josephine says:

      She really does look like a step above every other person there. She’s there as herself and no one else in that crowd dares to just be themselves. It’s striking how obvious it is in pictures.

    • Blueberry 🫐 says:

      @S808

      I agree, she looks so serene. I’ll bet her long history of practicing yoga helps her maintain her inner peace.

    • NotSoSocialB says:

      I came here to say her endless graciousness shows in her almost beatific smile. A true lady. Beautiful, strong, self-possessed, self- assured, with hordes of knowledge from a lifetime lived, rather than feigned.

  9. ThatsNotOkay says:

    The Kardashians are, were, and always will be users and led the blackfishing brigade to elevate themselves then moved on when they didn’t need Black culture or experience to monetize their toxicity. So…sure.

    • FHMom says:

      Yes. Doria does not look happy in that photo with Kris. Look at her eyes.

      • Jais says:

        So you can see in some of the pics that she is holding her glasses. Idk but her eyes look like someone who is used to wearing glasses then taking them off for a picture.

      • Caribbean says:

        I think that the only unhappiness that Doria may be feeling is just taking pictures in general. She is very private and this just seems that is not her wish, she knows hiw rabid the tabs are. I don’t think she minds at all being with the Kardashians or whoever is there. Say what you will about the Kardashians they are making there own money and not ripping off people and the black men in their lives, they have given more chances than was even wise, for anyone.

    • ⁷Tree says:

      YES. The Kardashians have become a pr machine but if archwell is REALLY involved with them then a large group of people will never take archwell seriously again. Like I didn’t plan on even clicking this article but I wanted to read the write up.

  10. Brit says:

    They way Kim and Kris were fingerling over Doria, love it . I love the flex of this picture. You know why? The press have no idea who Harry and Meghan are talking to. What circles they’re running in? Nothing. This simple picture at a charity event destroyed this “Hollywood” shuns them narrative tenfold.

    • Becks1 says:

      That’s why I love this, I think. We can hate the Kardashians (I am not a fan) but they are very successful Hollywood celebrities and for them to be fangirling over Doria like this must be making some heads explode across the pond. Harry and Meghan aren’t being shunned. Meghan’s mother has become someone who hangs out with billionaires who fall over themselves to get pictures with her. That’s so far from being shunned, LOL.

    • Yesgirl says:

      @Brit great point!

  11. K. Tate says:

    How did that awful Tom ever have a shot at Ms. Doria?! She is a Queen!

    • Bettyrose says:

      I’m just basing this on similar couples I’ve known, but Tom as a narcissist is probably extremely charming and fun at first. He had a decent job in Hollywood and probably love bombed her. Their marriage was pretty short lived so she saw through him pretty fast. Notice she never remarried despite undoubtedly endless offers. She was over it.

      • aftershocks says:

        ^^ Yeah @BettyRose, Doria was 23 when she met Tom, on the set of General Hospital. Doria was a free-spirited go‐getter, born in Cleveland, but raised in southern California from a baby. So Cali lifestyle, a forward-seeking aspirational vibe, and giving back to others (as she’d learned from her parents), are her mantras.

        I believe you are on the button about Tom, a selfish charmer. It’s easy to fall in love as a young, inexperienced lady. Doria even tried to help Tom’s teenaged kids, whom he’d abandoned with their mother at young ages. Doria tried to make her marriage work, but the Markles were a lost cause. (Tom Jr admitted to Andrew Morton that Doria was kind to him and his Goth older sister during their wild teenage years). Doria saw the lay of the land with Tom and the Markles. Then, she extricated herself and her baby daughter from the Markle clutches.

        At the same time, Doria graciously ensured that Meghan grew up fully knowing her Dad and being nurtured by him to a degree. As she grew up, Meg began to learn that her Dad would often disappoint her. But like her mother, Meg extended him grace and forgiveness, until he went off-the-rails with unforgiveable betrayals (after Meg met and married a prince of Great Britain).

    • aftershocks says:

      @K.Tate: “How did that awful Tom ever have a shot at Ms. Doria?! She is a Queen!”

      ^^ Right, I know. But ‘God works in mysterious ways, his wonders to perform.’ It was simply fated that Doria and Tom met, and conceived the beautiful flower, Rachel Meghan, who would grow up to meet her soulmate, Prince Harry of Wales. I’ll bet it’s not a coincidence either that Meg is distantly related to Harry and the Spencers via her paternal grandmother’s direct ancestry. 🙌🏽

  12. SIde Eye says:

    Doria is radiant and beautiful.

  13. Jais says:

    Not a huge kardashian fan but I related to them here. I would’ve been falling over myself too if I saw the goddess that is Doria. She looks regal and glowy. Everyone there in their designer clothes and Doria looking just as glam in Jcrew. What a flex.

    • aftershocks says:

      Doria is a regal, peaceful soul. How cool that she taught Meg yoga from the age of 7, and surrounded her with love and a precious sense of self-worth! As Doria indicated in the H&M documentary, she was lucky (as a young, single Mom) to have her own mother, Jeanette, and other female friends, there to help her raise Meg.

  14. Nanea says:

    So good to see Ms Doria in her Pucci dress and Chloé shoes!

    And I love how the Derangers are complaining about Doria and part of the Koven.

    The rota 🐀🐀🐀, who were saying no one cares for Meghan, and Hollywood was cold-shouldering her… meanwhile Doria has been trending on Xwitter all day!

    I’d much rather take 10 pics with Kim and Kris than be seen in the vicinity of a pedo, much less in the same car.

    Add to that Eva Longoria, Kimora Lee, Jordana Brewster. CarolE must surely be green with envy.

    • Jais says:

      So it looks like a Pucci dress but I saw online that it’s actually jcrew. Either way, she looked so good. Her and Meghan both carry themselves with such grace.

      • Lorelei says:

        It really does look like Pucci! Unfortunately it’s probably sold out already ;(

        I also love her necklace (has anyone ID’d that?) and her scalloped Chloe flats.

        ETA Just saw @Elizabeth’s post, and yeah, in that case it’s definitely sold out, lol.

    • Elizabeth says:

      @Nanea that’s actually an almost 15 year old JCrew dress. I have the same one

      • Athena says:

        Doria strike me as someone who just goes in her closet and picks out something she had for years and likes.

        There were pictures of her recently at another charity event, so it’s likely that she always attended the events of charities which she supports, but now that the world knows her as Meghan’s mother, she get photographed and recognized.

        There is nothing to say that she is there representing Archwell, although I suspect she may have been the one to introduce Archwell to this organization. This woman has her own life, it’s not all tied to her daughter

      • Just me says:

        @Elizabeth – thanks for the info! I was actually looking around to see if anyone had a link to the dress. Being JCrew, it would be affordable to me. Doria looks absolutely lovely!

  15. Eurydice says:

    I love this so much – these quiet little bombshells that hint of a whole other life in the background. So much more interesting than daily IG. Doria is awesome – so serene and unflappable in that crowd.

  16. JeccaK says:

    All I can say is,.Doria.looks effortless and classy and the others (Lauren, Kris, Kim etc) look.soo try hard, and they all look the same. Doria is stunning!

  17. Over it says:

    Mama Doria always looks amazing. She is so beautiful and I swear she is aging backwards

  18. slippers4life says:

    Doria Ragland holds a Masters degree in social work and was a professor of social work for many years. She is ALSO a yoga instructor. Why does the media, even the American media, continue to deflect from the fact that Doria is a highly educated academic and therapist? She could probably run all of Kate’s early years awareness campaigns in her sleep and certainly would have been able to have a real dialogue with Dr Jill Biden. I really don’t mean to disparage LA yoga instructors, I just think it’s sus that until recently, Carole Middleton was at least seen as a savvy intelligent businesses woman in much of the media, albeit not in the aristocracy, but Doria Ragland is rarely if ever referred to as a social worker or given credit for the fact she is more educated, academic, and successful than any of the Middletons.

    • tamsin says:

      @slipper4life
      I think it would be great if Doria did some university or college lecturing, but I’ve never read that she has. Where was she a professor of social work?

      Seems like Doria is representing Archewell her. She looks absolutely fabulous in all the photos. She just looks so cool and poised, and conveys as sense of fun. Love her dress. Wonder who the designer is. She looks beautiful in it. Sounds like all of LA was at the party. I read that Henry Winkler was the host as his daughter is one of the founders of the charity. In Harry’s appearance on the James Corden show, James pointed out Winker’s house when they were on the double decker bus. lol

  19. Amy Bee says:

    I love this for Doria after all the sh*t the British press and her ex-husband put her through.

  20. MsIam says:

    Doria looks beautiful and that color is gorgeous on her. She just looks so, I don’t even know the right words to say. Anyway Kim in that picture looks ridiculous. But the picture that really has me cracking up is Kim with Jeff and Lauren. There were all of those rumors about Kim wanting to make a move on Jeff and then bam! He and Lauren announced their engagement, lol. Lauren doesn’t look too happy but I think her face may be frozen in place.

  21. WaterDragon says:

    OT, but I am glad to see that Jeff Bezos finally decided to get his droopy eyelid fixed. It was always distracting in his photos. There is no reason that a man shouldn’t care about his appearance and he can certainly afford it.

  22. Moira's Rose's Garden says:

    Auntie Doria needs to spill the tea on how to look 30 years younger. (Played guess the age with Mr. MRG who said she was in 30s to 40s).
    Also, her authenticity shines through while everyone else seems to be (as someone above said) Try Hard.

  23. Cel2495 says:

    Lol! Kim was holding on to Doria like she wanted to take her down… looks so hard! … easy Kim!

    Anyhow, Doria looks amazing, her skin is beautiful and I love that dress! I see where Meg got her sense of fashion. Love the necklace too!

  24. I wish Meghan had attended the event with Doria as Archewell representatives. So many people do not actually know what Archewell does because there’s no one social hub to get information about all their activities. It’s great to read here that Archewell sponsored families and a holiday party last year. Like many people here, I wish M+H would have an IG page with comments disabled that really showcase their philanthropist work. So much of the hatred towards Meghan is being noticed by people and turning people off the Royal press. In the vacuum left, there should be so much talk of Archewell and everything that the charity actually does. Wish Meghan had been here and pictures of her and her mom would have gone worldwide and the information about what she does for this charity would be spread worldwide.

    • Amy Bee says:

      If Meghan went to this event the talk would be that she was hanging out with the Kardashians not about the event. Those who are actually interested in what Harry and Meghan do will find the information whether they have a social media page or not.

      • Lady D says:

        Plus, she just can’t do it all. Also, with Doria as part of your charity, there is always the excitement that Meghan might show.

  25. Not a Kardashian fan, but Kim’s visible giddiness at being photographed with Doria genuinely made me laugh and charmed me a little, especially when compared to the Bezos photo where she goes back to her usual game face, lol. Doria looks amazing as usual and I hope she had a fantastic time.

  26. girl_ninja says:

    The lovely thing about this is that Doria seems to be the kind of person who could care less about the celebrities in attendance. This is a woman who deals with the needs of people on a regular basis. Unlike the many there she isn’t clamouring for recognition and celebrity. Unlike many in those photos and others across the pond in Britain.

  27. aquarius64 says:

    This is what Scammy, Toxic Tom and Jr saw for themselves through Meghan’s royal marriage to Harry: entre into Hollywood’s social circles; and Bad Dad being an Emmy winner is suppose to cement that. But the Markles’ vile behavior towards the Sussexes are well documented thanks to the internet and court documents. Hollywood has seen relatives like them: poor relations who think they are entitled to an affluent lifestyle when one of the family has a jump in social standing. If the Toxic Trio are perceived as doorstepping, harassing trailer trash not worthy of invitations to elite parties that’s on them.

  28. aquarius64 says:

    Dorua looks amazing and youthful.

  29. Ameerah M says:

    Incoming Musty Island meltdown in 3…2…1. TIAH does good work and it’s cool to see them getting the attention and resources they need. And I know people love to hate but Kim has been a supporter of TIAH for some years now.

  30. Andrea says:

    I love Doria’s SWAG.. the essence of calm, cool and collected. She exudes a quiet confidence that invites rather than intimidates towards her warm… I also loved hearing her voice for the first time.. total SoCal drawl! Nothing haughty, she sounded just like us in Cali. And good for Doria to call out the racism even when H & M didn’t believe it.

  31. Tisme says:

    Nooooo Doria, nooooo. Ugh please.

  32. Meg says:

    ‘It’s actually a big deal that Doria is friendly with Kim and Kris.’
    I doubt they’re friends, she seems far less fussy than they are, I don’t see them clicking personality wise.
    Kim looks ecstatic because she knows pics with a Meghan relative will get her press

  33. QuiteContrary says:

    It’s so clear from these photos of the luminous Doria where Meghan got her effortlessly chic style.

    Like mother, like daughter.

    (The same, with opposite effect, applies to the tacky and try-hard Carole and Kate.)

  34. VilleRose says:

    Who are the other two ladies in that other pic with Doria? I don’t recognize them. These kinds of parties, random people get photographed together all the time that don’t necessarily know each other. I know some people are all “oh no!” seeing her photographed with the Kardashians but I doubt she is BFF with them. It’s the closest the Kardashians have ever come to being royalty adjacent and I’m sure they saw this 1) as an opportunity 2) to be able to say they are two degrees away from Harry and Meghan. Doria’s just being her kind self and indulging everyone there since I guess she is representing Archewell? Anyways she looks great, hope she had fun!

    I could see Meghan interviewing Kim for a podcast, she interviewed Paris Hilton after all but we never see them hanging out together.

    • Concern Fae says:

      I was reading through the comments for an ID on them. I’m kinda glad I didn’t recognize most of the people there. Just wondering if there was some significance to that shot. I feel like I’ve seen feather sleeve lady before and it’s bugging me.

    • Well Wisher says:

      An excellent point. Acquaintances of which one is being forced to be polite because of mixed company.

  35. Chelsea says:

    Good on Doria, who always seems to be supporting charity every time we see her, for supporting this worthy cause(given the fact that she was the one who told Harry and Meghan about Project Angel Food it wouldn’t surprise if she was the one who introduced them and Archewell to this organization)

    That picture of Kim taking a picture of Kris with Doria sent me. The UK press has been talking for months about how well actually everyone in Hollywood hates Meghan only for one of the richest and most powerful celebrities in Hollywood to be taking pics of her mom with Meghan’s mom like a stan lmao. There’s a video ftom the event as well and everyone looked enraptured by Doria who looked amazing per usual.

  36. Truthiness says:

    Doria looks gorgeous, serene, authentic. Is she the only one with her original face? I’ll trust her instincts. Since she wasn’t fazed or changed by being related to royalty, she’ll navigate this just fine.

  37. Alex says:

    Doria is only about a year younger than Chris, though, despite all the (Jenner) procedures they both look the same age. So, it’s just sinking in my head that a lot of those cosmetic procedures are probably supposed to refresh you, and not drastically change you. People just go extreme sometimes, which I can empathize with.

    • ⁷Tree says:

      In real life Kris got botched like 8 years ago. Maybe longer. What you are looking at is great lighting and airbrushing. Everyone faces have been pulled to match, so kris and lauren doesnt look so out of place. Doria and Jeff are the only naturals there.

  38. smee says:

    Doria doesn’t have to try – she just is.

  39. Isabella says:

    I love that Daily Mail ID’d one photo this way. Yes, that is Doria’s blood flowing through those royal veins:

    The grandmother of Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet (pictured left) accessorised with tan suede pumps and a gold necklace with white pendants
    © Provided by Daily Mail

  40. Well Wisher says:

    How does this jive with the concept that Harry and Meghan are ” has-beens’ in Hollywood, whilst breathlessly reporting about Doria attending a pretty much A-list event with billionaires, whilst recognizing the mascots despite clout in the world of fiance are clinging to her??…..

    Make it make sense…
    Accept the fact that either the Sussexes’ are well connected or not, they’re just not as desperate as the Wales…

  41. ML says:

    I’m glad Doria showed up for immigrants—it’s a great cause. Even though they have money and influence, I sort of dislike seeing her claimed by the Kardashians. I hope the tabloid media doesn’t destroy her peace over who she graciously took pictures with. And they leave Meghan alone. And Meghan clearly inherited so much of her beauty and dignity from her mom!

    • Mel says:

      Actually, I think Doria is doing the “sure, fine, whatever” thing. She’s taking pictures because they’re there and she’s not going to be rude to feed the media beast. Everything I’ve seen about Doria, is that she thinks before she acts and her main goal is to PROTECT her child. She won’t do anything that will call bad attention to her daughter, even if it means taking a picture with the Jenndashians.

  42. hangonamin says:

    looks like the kardashians are desperately trying to pull doria into a pic for the clout. gross. doria can do better.

  43. Cali says:

    Ms. Doria is only 10 years younger than Camilla! Think of that…Doria looks naturally beautiful today and will continue to look that way as she gets older. No hair dye or filters or designer clothes and she looks amazing. Unlike the side chick.
    And Meghan has inherited he mother’s interest in healthy living as well as the her youthful looking genetics. So she will continue to be her best self at any age.
    I don’t want to be mean so won’t contrast her with Kate….

  44. CoffeeChamp says:

    “like, the Kardashian-Jenners are very powerful culturally, and very powerful within LA. It’s actually a big deal that Doria is friendly with Kim and Kris.” How easily Doria was downgraded and the KarJenners were elevated in this sentence, wow.

  45. AC says:

    I think it’s actually Kris and Kim who wanted to make sure they were photographed and be seen with Doria.

  46. Yesgirl says:

    Doria was the wild card that the RR didn’t see coming. I love it. Yes they will attack her and it won’t matter or make sense outside of bubble that can’t take how great the USA royals are.