This week, on the day that Joe Jonas filed for divorce from Sophie Turner, he organized a little paparazzi photo-op with his two daughters and some unknown woman, probably a nanny. They were having breakfast at Sweet Butter Kitchen. So… he’s already trying to flood the public with images of “Joe Jonas, the doting single father who cares for his children while their unfit mother works in a different country.” As I’ve said before, I really hope Sophie is watching what he’s doing and figuring out her plan of action. She should not expect him to “play fair” – he has literally spent the whole week smearing her and telling the world that he spies on her. It doesn’t matter if nothing Joe has said has landed – Sophie needs to be prepared for when he finds something that does land. Meanwhile, the misogynists at TMZ actually had a story which is seemingly negative about Joe Jonas?
Sophie Turner was struggling after the birth of her second child, and Joe Jonas was “less than supportive,” so claims several sources who were around Joe after the birth.
Our sources say, after their youngest child was born a year ago July, Sophie didn’t want to leave their home … she didn’t want to be photographed or go to events. Nevertheless, she attended several events with Joe, but at one specific event, several people who were there said Sophie made it clear she was uncomfortable and didn’t want to be there.
Shortly after that event, there was another in which Joe attended but Sophie didn’t. Our sources say Joe complained Sophie was MIA and felt she needed to get out more. It was clear to the people who were there and heard Joe … there was a strain in the relationship.
What’s interesting … as we reported, over the last 6 months it seemed the tables had turned for Joe … he was complaining she was too into partying. Sources connected to Joe acknowledge “challenges in the relationship,” but say Joe was supportive of Sophie getting the London acting gig.
So, a woman who had been open about her years of mental health struggles found it difficult to bounce back into public life after giving birth to her second child, and instead of being supportive and listening to what Sophie was going through, Joe demanded that she doll herself up and be his plus-one to events. Then, after she made a postpartum recovery and started to gain some independence away from Joe, suddenly he had BIG problems with his tradwife going outside. “Go outside! No, not like that.” Just what every young mother wants to hear. Like, I was never a Joe Jonas fan (Nick is the only JoBro I would f–k with), but I didn’t actively hate him until this week.
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He is proving to be a miserable little man. Making her go out shortly after giving birth just to make him look good. I hope she gets a great lawyer and takes the little man down.
He’s just coming off worse and worst. I really think he is trying to get out in front of something – something big.
To paraphrase Pajiba, what did Joe do?!?
Rumours on SM are that he was cheating with a teenage fan – we do know that he likes them young.
Yup that tracks, though I’m surprised he still has teenaged fans.
If he was cheating with a teenage fan, that’s obviously HUGELY problematic, but what’s the spin going to be? Sophie wouldn’t go out with me after having a second baby so I needed to find a teenage fan to have an affair with? Like HOW Is that a good look?!?!?! Who are his PR people?!?!?!
@Becks1, I think this story is from Sophie’s PR. She didn’t want to fight a public battle, but after Joe used their children for photo op, her PR started to talk to media.
If Joe was caught cheating with a teenager, that would explain Sophie’s relative silence while Joe’s hyperaggressive PR flung mud at her and revealed their kids. I’m pretty sure she’s thinking of how it would impact their kids to read that their dad at age 30 took up with a teen (isn’t that illegal? Is jail time a possibility?). It seems pretty clear now that Sophie is the one who insisted on privacy for their children all this time. Even if Sophie hates Joe, she seems to have their children’s well-being as a priority first and foremost and has so far demonstrated admirable restraint from being sucked into a PR war with Joe. I really hope this whole thing burns Joe Jonas to the ground and finishes his career once and for all, it’s exactly what he deserves. He’s clearly shown himself to be a misogynist who treats his wife and kids as props for his own vanity and ego and thinks nothing of going after young girls.
Better have been an 18 or 19 year old teenage fan if that is true.
I didn’t pay much attention to JJ or Sophie until about a week ago. The trashy conduct of sources close to Joe had me looking up and finding all sorts of rumored stuff Joe probably thought no one cared about anymore. In blind items, he’s supposedly rumored to break up with girlfriends via text (Taylor vis phone). He’s tried pot which he blamed on Demi and Miley (rumors say harder drugs). And there’ve been a lot of rumors that he’s either been cheating on Sophie or they have an open relationship. The way he seemingly is using a sledgehammer to kill a mosquito so to speak seems to indicate that there could definitely be something nasty he wants to bury (as well as gain primary custody). Something his cleanish, wife-guy reputation isn’t compatible with.
I get the feeling his PR people were trying to learn from the Ariana Grande debacle, but flubbed this one too. Note to PR people: you can’t spin an affair anymore, especially not when your clients are gutter garbage.
I really have no words for how awful he is. I can’t believe he has a P.R. team that thought this might be an appropriate. I truly hopes the gets the results he deserves.
Sophie and Joe kept their kids out of the media, to the point no one knows the name of their younger daughter. The minute he wants to sling mud on his wife, he calls the paps and puts his kids in the press. Until now, there could have been two sides to this story but now it’s 100% F$&@ this guy.
If I were Sophie, I’d be livid at that.
That photo op was nothing but transparent and grotesque.
I agree completely. I was shocked about the youngest as well. Went from not knowing her name to pap walk in just a few days. If Auntie Priyanka does a walk with her I’m doing to die.
Exactly. When he weaponized his own kids to control the narrative I lost ALL respect for him. What little there was.
Why is this still being played out in public? Why isn’t this personal? I get it’s gossip but does anyone care? I don’t get the public aspect, not like he’s Brad Pitt? I would hope their kids are the priority and everything else is immaterial
It’s probably because he’s a Jonas brother and her most notable roles have been huge geek culture IPs (GOT and X-Men) and that’s the generation that this gossip is clicking with. Plus, when this relationship came to be, people overlooked the questionable age gap in support of the short king not feeling insecure of his supermodel looking wife. Not to mention, early in their relationship/Jonas comeback, the brothers used their wives in a music video (“Sucker”) that was cute, but also gave off Wife Guy Energy.
This is just really ugly to me. I love the drama, but Sophie’s clearly been through the emotional wringer on top of the fact that there are two young children involved. Joe is going at this like he’s GUILTY GUILTY of something, and it’s giving me the ick.
I mentioned this whole saga to my students in the context of Smart Home technology (the Ring issue), and so many of them were nodding, like they were keeping up with the story. Usually, when I bring in examples from celebrity gossip, they look at me like I am hopelessly old or weird. So young adults are definitely keeping tabs.
You probably won’t see this, ’cause I’m always a day late & a dollar short!, but have you seen Ma & Pa Kettle, the movie? Came out in 1949. They win a prize and move into their new ‘house-of-the-future’, where hilarity ensues. Lots of futuristic ‘smart home’ technology that goes awry. Your students may–emphasize may, it’s probably full of outdated social mores–enjoy it.
You can take the boy out of the evangelism, but you can’t take the evangelism out of the boy. Evangelism thrives on power and control, regardless of if it’s making anybody happy or not. He married a young, “pure” woman and expected her to become his little wife. Now he’s mad it didn’t work and is lashing out.
Great comment. He was raised in an authoritarian culture that enforced ideas about the oppression of women. For a lot of people (*ahem* men), that’s hard conditioning to undo.
I mentioned that in a thread yesterday — he’s said he’s not a full-on Pentecostal worshiper anymore, but a lot of its dogma has clearly stuck with him in the way he’s treating Sophie. She may very well have been suffering from post-partum depression and he was like “oh get over it already”. Nasty little wanker.
Not letting this grown man off the hook At ALL and I have no gossip source for this (besides personal experience, friends anecdotes, gut feeling, etc) —
His mom.
Certain Christian white Karen women are EXTREMELY critical of DiL who don’t give up everything to “support” hubs and kids. The more the diff in background/ethnicity/etc, the more critical. They make it a point to drip venom into their sons ears and don’t care at all how this damages the relationship and what the long term repercussions will be for their own grandkids. Son never stopped being mamma’s boy and feels the way his mom says he must be feeling.
DiL just wants to stay home?
– she’s mopey, lazy, and bringing the the family (read: her precious son) down.
DiL wants to get back to work?
– she’s putting herself first (this is bad!), and being an unloving/uncaring mom (bc no loving mom would voluntarily leave kids for work, obviously!) and putting an extra burden on the family (read: her precious son).
DiL wants to go out for drinks?
– HARLOT!!!!
The Trevor Noah quote also comes to mind yet again. There are tons of women who actually weirdly want this tradwife garbage – lock down one of them.
@Veronica S. This!!! Men like this do NOT seek out women who either already fit that mold or are willing to step into it. They typically seek out women who aren’t really into it and then will try to break them to fit into that mold. It’s the breaking that they’re into.
Totally separate points here –
A) the trad-wife role curious women don’t always find that it continues to fit them as they grow and their lives change.
B) also- this chick is probably more successful currently and more in demand currently than he is. I bet that part really adds fire to his need to put her in the box.
C) can you imagine how hard the custody schedule would be if she were locked in to LA? If she films internationally and production is not completely scheduled around her, that is going to be an awful blow to her career opportunities. If they’re LA based and the custody is 2+2+5+5 but she needs to be filming in Europe? Ugh!!!
Lurker25–totally, completely agreed. It’s a good bet Moms is secretly driving a _lot_ of this nastiness. Jonas’ slams against Turner sound exactly like what a faux-Christian Karen MIL would say.
Yes! @Veronica S. I remember when I was engaged to my husband and I’d fly to Vegas every other weekend to visit him. JJ was sitting to the left of me (dressed down) reading an article on The Perfect Christian Wife. I believe his other brother had just become engaged or married – this was before 2007. He used it more to play with than read, but still – who would read something like that?!?
I think this is still being discussed because of how badly he & his PR screwed the pooch on this one by painting Sophie Turner as a bad mom right out of the gate
So, your smear campaign is not going the way you intended? I saw a great comment in my FB scroll that in the “year of our lady and savior Taylor Swift” how could Joe think he’d pull this off? It’s the first time I’ve really appreciated Taylor Swift. It was probably one of our brilliant CBs who said it.
TS is problematic. The Healy garbage really turned me off her and I’m a huge Swiftie.
However, she’s got an excellent creep radar- Jonas, Braun, Kanye. She was right about all of them.
The line “casually cruel” is what gets me. That feels very specific. Do I care if a brief teenage relationship was ended over the phone? But cruel is not a light word to go public with. Sounds like she may have seen a side of his personality that his handlers are good at concealing.
@bettyrose that line is from all too well, a song about gyllenhall and not Jonas. Two separately sh!tty men.
It’s a lyric from “Mr. Perfectly Fine” which I’d never heard of until this week, but the socials assure me is about Joe Jonas.
Hello, Mr. “Perfectly fine”
How’s your heart after breaking mine?
Mr. “Always at the right place at the right time, ” baby
Hello Mr. “Casually cruel”
Mr. “Everything revolves around you”
I’ve been Ms. “Misery” since your goodbye
And you’re Mr. “Perfectly fine”
Oh, wait, it’s from that other song you mentioned also:
And you call me up again just to break me like a promise
So casually cruel in the name of being honest
I’m a crumpled up piece of paper lying here
‘Cause I remember it all, all, all
Too well
Well, IDK who these songs are about then. She likes that phrase.
Oh ya I forgot about that song! Huh, guess all the boys who did her dirty did in a casually cruel way lol.
Once again, another butt hurt man after the baby is born.
Yup. And part of his attack on her reputation is “after baby #2 she has to get out more with me” plus “I wanted baby #3.” Butt hurt doesn’t even entirely cover this!
@Gutter flower, she uses it again in the lyrics to “Mr. Perfectly Fine,” which is said to be about Joe. Excerpted below:
Hello Mr. “Casually cruel”
Mr. “Everything revolves around you”
I’ve been Ms. “Misery” since your goodbye
And you’re Mr. “Perfectly fine”
Joe Jonas is coming across like the guy who wants you to put out babies and gives you a twelve back of Diet Coke after giving birth to lose the weight.
Lau tipped me off about the paparazzi photoshoot, “Joe cosplays doting father in public for all to see,” in which his poor kids are suddenly being exposed to the tabloids to burnish his image. Until he filed, those girls were blessed with parents who protected their privacy. So this is how he wants to provide his daughters with support and stability. Gross!
As to this article about Sophie not wanting to leave the home and Joe insisting she do so: it finally sounds like someone in her circle is carefully dropping the truth. TMZ does add the charming tidbit at the end that she’s been “the opposite,” ie a party animal for the past 6 months, which is his “story.” I admire her staying mostly silent and letting JJ shot himself in the feet, and I hope she’s preparing a defense against him behind the scenes. She might need to us it.
It tells you a lot about how he sees women and children: property. Which is…unsurprising given how he was raised. People familiar with Southern evangelism know its undertones well.
that was def sophie’s leak to TMZ. we are hearing her side now. otherwise it’ll be floor to floor coverage of joe saying sophie parties, isn’t a good mom, isn’t supportive of his career, won’t even spend time with her daughters and he has to take them on tour etc etc. his wall to wall push to smear her has been honestly so gross. none of the “we need privacy” and all of the let’s get ahead of the game and smear the crap out of the mother of my children…
Call me cynical but I predict “family man” Joe has a scandal ready to break about him and an intern. Sophie needs a great attorney. It’s clear Joe is out to smear her.
Michelle, It feels that way to me, too, though I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s drugs or something like that as well.
Plus, like many of you here have said, he’s probably trying to get full custody and/ or keep her in the States.
He is very clearly projecting.
I agree with your comment 100%
I just found out that Priyanka has ties to Lou Taylor and Tristar (unclear to me if Lou is her manager) who was heavyily involved in setting up Britneys conservatorship and abusing her throughout. Lou has a special relationship with TMZ so I’m not surprised if Joe either got to borrow the gameplan or if she is handling this for him. Smearing a new mom possibly going through post partum depression is her specialty after all.
IDK Joe and his brothers have been in the business themselves for years, with their own ties, contacts, spin team, lawyers.
Not really feeling the need to find a woman to share the blame for his jerk actions and spin channels.
Why does she have to be dragged into this? He can handle his own mess and just because you “know” someone doesn’t mean that you have first hand knowledge of how they conduct business that has nothing to do with you. Joe is a big boy.
Probably he cheated and he is laying ground for a “he could not help it, he was stressed, alone and she was not a good wife” defense
Yep, agreed.
I think Becks1 postulated yesterday that he’s banging the nanny, who looks about 19. I could totally see that. Then his defense will be “but I was all alooooone. Poor me.” I’m so grossed out by this guy.
So the thing he overheard on ring cam was her telling someone he’s banging the nanny and she’s talking to lawyers? Adds up.
this is definitely Sophie’s team putting out some of the real story – Joe was not supportive of her post-baby, and then when she was feeling healthier and happier and more independent he didn’t like that either. Its leaving a bad taste in my mouth, I can’t quite place it – almost like he viewed her as an accessory? Like she was supposed to go out with him to help his image/career but when she went out by herself that was a problem because it wasn’t about him? It seems like he viewed her role was to have babies and be his arm candy.
One of the things I think he’s misplaying here is the fan base. GoT appealed to a very diverse group, age-wise. Jonas Brothers, while hugely popular, were popular with a certain age group. I dont know a single Jonas Brothers song (do they do Story of my life? or was that one direction? was harry styles in one direction? can we have a 2010s boy band recap post??) and honestly the only reason I can pick nick jonas out of a lineup is because of Priyanka and because of Jumanji (sorry not sorry, lol.)
So everything I know about JJ I am learning right now and it’s…….not good. And I am sure I’m not the only one in this position.
Yes, I have long given up trying to tell which Jonas Brother is which (and remember what the third one’s name is). I know they have a rabid online fan base but it has really surprised me that he has decided to go full Depp/Pitt attack playbook considering the Jonas Brothers seem to have current goodwill and a career resurgence from a recent tour. It is so unnecessary and cruel!
As you said, I do think Sophie’s fan base is probably broader but potentially less “online”, I hope she’s feeling all the support. I haven’t thought about GoT or any of the actors for years really but I have surprised myself this week for how deeply I still have a soft spot for her. Joe can get in the bin.
I had a crush on him a long, long time ago.
I was going to say, the only songs I can name of his are “Cake By the Ocean” (which I admittedly like, but it’s a band, not just him) and “Love Bug” but only because the MV starred Camilla Belle, for whom he dumped Taylor at the time. Other than that, I had no idea they still made music.
And he’s missing the fact that his original fan base are now mothers themselves and unlikely to appreciate him suggesting that going out for a drink with friends makes you a bad mom.
One Direction did Story Of My Life. I knew nothing about Jonas Bros till last week. Now I’m learning too much!🫣
Sophie and her career was good for him and his image – he’s gotten a lot of press out of that relationship and its also clear that without her, no one was really interested in him which is why he was making her accompany him everywhere. He got press coverage that he wouldn’t normally get on his own – outside of the US he isn’t very well known. She the international star – him, nah!!!
Sophie is the Queen in the North. That fanbase is very online. My husband isn’t, but when I told him that Joe Jonas (‘who?’ Of that Southpark episode with the purity rings. ‘Idiot’.) was divorcing Sansa Stark and was bungling his hit job, his reply was ‘if you come for the queen, you best not miss’.
Wilma–🤣😂😂😂 Your husband is a hoot–and dead-on.
Joe & Nick both seem creepy to me, in looks as well as quotes & actions. Kevin seems the most normal to me.
Priyanka will stick around as long as Nick keeps touting her as some other-worldly goddess. Her ego demands constant adulation & adoration.
He’s trying so hard to smear her that I’m guessing he’s going to go for full custody of the kids. And may already have a much younger sidepiece on deck with baby #3.
@Repunzel I think you’re on to something. He is over doing it and its coming out of nowhere so I do think he is desperate to get the public on his side before she has a minute to say anything. News cycles move fast and even if she comes out later with what actually happened people will just remember the initial reaction and rumors and lose interest in the story. I think he has done something that he knows will blow his image to bits and ruin his career.
Oh dayum. How has it never even occurred to me he may have already knocked up someone else? What have I even learned all these years of gossip?
She looks like a goddess in every single one of these pics. Peace out with your Napoleon complex, Joe. You are no short king.
Seriously, she’s so beautiful and talented. I’m glad she’s freeing herself of this dead weight. She can go back to building a super successful career if that’s what she wants.
Enough with this divorce, it’s becoming too much. They’re not such A listers that they deserve an article a day about their divorce
It’s not a story about the little Jonas twerp. It’s a story about how women get screwed in marriage and then get horrifically screwed in divorce.
The true sign of intelligence is to learn from someone else’s mistakes.
Smash the ring camera if you’re not 100% sure about the guy is my first take away lol
I am far from tired of this story. I think it is really relatable for women who have been in similarly abusive situations or felt trapped in their relationship.
I also just like Sophie Turner.
I’m not tired of it. I never was interested in the Jonas Bros but I like Sophie and was a big GoT fan. I remember being surprised when they got married because she was so young and I didn’t even know they were dating. Now I’m just livid at how he’s smearing her and feeling quite protective of Sansa/Sophie. So, give me all the updates!
We’re interested in it because it once again shows the magnitude of effed up men out there who still to this day treat women like chattel. He’s digging himself a deep grave with this public smearing of Sophie and we’re here to expose his lies and to cheer her on.
“It’s not a story about the little Jonas twerp. It’s a story about how women get screwed in marriage and then get horrifically screwed in divorce.”
Yeah. It’s hard to say for sure whether or not a conservative-pleasing narrative about a younger woman would have been questioned this hard years ago, or viewed with such a critical eye. All that’s left is for the same courtesy to be extended when it actually costs something.
@OTAKU- I’m at the end of an exhausting week and I’ve got no coffee in front of me right now. I didn’t follow your comment and I want to understand what you said. Can you restate that a little differently?
I’m glad Sophie’s PR team woke up. I can’t understand why Joe seemed to think the straight-from-1953 PR strategy was a good idea in 2023. The number of “Queen in the North” TikToks I have seen over the past week is astounding. In the summer of Barbie, Taylor, Beyoncé, you want to smear your wife to your female fan base? Really?
My kids are close to their kids age and while I’m far from their lifestyle, I realized I have zero desire to “go out” these days,even with parent babysitters nearby. I’m exhausted and want to focus on sleep and not take on the extra work of staying up late, interacting with people I don’t care about, being around drinkers (I don’t drink), picking up my kids from the babysitters, getting them back to sleep at home, then me getting crappy sleep and feeling like crap the next while parenting young kids. It’s not worth it at all! My husband on the other hand is more of an extrovert and wants to see live music because that’s his scene and wanted me to go with him. Finally things boiled over a few months ago and I told him I have zero interest in that scene for now and he needs to stop asking me and just go by himself or with friends. It’s hard for men understand the unseen labor women are always doing and how much we take on. It caused some tension in our relationship but we’ve worked through it. In the past I would be the partner that would just suck it up and just deal with it to make my spouse happy but not as a mom of two. All the bs goes out the window.
I just feel for her. Men don’t understand how mentally draining motherhood is and don’t get that even if we look back to normal, we are not. We don’t bounce back to the accommodating partners we were before. I wish her husband could just be supportive and let her rest if she wanted and follow her lead when she was ready to interact with the world again instead of this crap. Oh well, sounds like she is way better off without him anyways.
I’m glad I’m not the only one.
My kids are older now, but there are other things that can be draining that my husband, wonderful as he is, struggles to understand. One is preparing a holiday meal. He really doesn’t get how it takes two or three days of shopping, preparing, getting out china and silverware that I don’t use every day, making sure the house is clean, setting the table and making it look nice and, of course, cooking. It’s exhausting. I actually like doing it, but no, I don’t want to go to a show with friends the night before the meal. I’d happily go another night, just not that one.
It seems like sometimes pre-kids, it’s easy to think that each person in a couple is accommodating, supporting each other. Maybe because there’s overlap in what you want, what you’re doing, enjoying, working towards.
But once there are kids involved, and if one of the couple (usually a mother) is prioritizing the kids’ needs, the kids’ care and and, if she carried the child(ren), her own recovery after childbirth, possibly surgery, complications, it can become much more obvious that the other parent (usually the father) has actually been prioritizing his own needs, wants all along and isn’t willing to accommodate his partner’s needs wants or to work together, collaborate as equals.
And that’s assuming it’s just people being people, guys not realizing their presumption of privilege and not malicious dudes purposely targeting younger, less-established women to love bomb, lock down with marriage and kids before they realize they’ve been sold a lie.
Well before there are kids you’re really running more in parallel. After there are kids there is a need to truly functionally work together and actually be good team players the whole way around otherwise someone (typically the woman) just gets mercilessly screwed. Then the whole Kate Manne misogyny as enforcement of the patriarchy comes up because this is the first time Romeo actually was called upon to be a true team player and reciprocate instead of just take. Or, reciprocate on a schedule and to a standard regardless of whether he felt like it or had something else to do or felt sick or whatever. After all, the school starts on their schedule, not his. Etc.
So Juliet truly didn’t see it coming. But now if she gets ground down to the point of bitching, then (enter the tired tropes) despite the abject failure of palatable conversation and attempts at seeking mutually acceptable paths forward.
And then, like some other commenter said weeks ago (paraphrase), she is in the position of staying bc kids are hostage to the guy who should not be in a relationship yet. She’s sort of hostage too.
One of the earlier ladies said that husband doesn’t understand what’s so draining about holiday dinner setup. I disagree. Their consistent avoidance of equal engagement indicates that they understand very well what is so difficult about doing all of this.
The dead sexiest thing I ever heard a man say is that he cannot sit while his wife works around the house. They work together and they relax together. That dude was a unicorn.
She is so gorgeous and talanted and out of his league! She looks like a class act and he looks like a clown, literally in all the pictures of them together. I bet he was jealous of her and the attention she was getting and resented her, never cared for her. Good luck Sophie, go live your best life without this idiot and his dingbat family!
Ladies, remember; if you are married to a toxic man with a fragile ego, there is no amount of good-wifing that you can do that will prevent him finding fault with you. So have that drink, down that shot, party with your co-workers. It makes precious little difference in the end.
@Towans – so true!
I am so very curious as to what the other two Jo-Bro wives are thinking of JJ’s smear job to a sister-in-law they both seemed to care for. Quite sure they will keep their mouths shut for the sake of “family unity” but I’d love for Priyanka (especially) to open up….
Priyanka won’t open up & if she did, I bet she’d support Joe.
Yes to TOWANS. But, misogyny as enforcement for a woman who dares to defy will then take the shape of the guy weaponizing the children against her (enter the griping about her working and partying and the restaurant picture with the nanny for Christ’s sake and the gotcha moment with the ring which has to stay mysterious so that it can stay evocative, and my GOD HE HAD TO BRING THE CHILDREN TO HIS WORK!!!!! – BARF).
Kate Manne has written stuff that is just as vomit worthy as that Trevor Noah quote that’s been floating around celebitchy comment sections this week.
Joe is such a jerk. He is not serving his reputation well by being such an asshole.
I really hope this backfires big-time for Joe and his team. No one would have cared much if he had just kept things under wraps, but to go on this misogynistic smear-campaign was completely unnecessary and speaks volumes on his crappy views on women and mothers.
There is mainstream publicity about how manipulative and misogynistic the take from his camp seems to be – like CNN and the NYT ran opinion pieces today. There are many many many Sophie Turner fans on Tik Tok dragging Joe.
Does anyone else remember that story out years ago about Joe Jonas, GiGi Hadid and her modeling career? The story was a polite take about how Joe was moving too fast; how he wanted to settle down and was asking GiGi to give up or slow down in her modeling career. They ended up breaking up.
He has a pattern of misogyny and control issues in relationships. I hope she gets everything she wants from the divorce including the freedom she deserves, especially from him.
His smear campaign has been pathetic and obvious. No one’s buying it. That recent photo of him with his kids is such a transparent PR stunt — suddenly he’s seen in public with his kids for the first time ever! Do better, Joe.
This is typical bullshit men do to screw women over in a divorce. My ex tried it with me. I recall that Joe seemed to have some issues with substances early on his career. Sounds like the narcissist playbook is out.
I did. I’ve actively disliked his punchable face for a long time. Much longer than his legs
Sometimes I feel the internet is a bit of a double standards. Sophie has been struggling with mental health and feels trapped she gets the love . Meghan has been struggling with mental health being part of the BRF and was trapped and she gets the hate. Meghan has a great work ethic and got slammed, but hey let Sophie go back to work.
Idk.
I liked Sophie but there’s been some surprises with her which I learned this week, and I was a little shocked to learn coming from some of the commenters on here from the other articles (inc some of her hate towards Meghan). I didn’t think she was going to be silent and knew there would be a he said Vs she said narratives which her team communicated out eventually.
I know my opinion is not popular, but I’m still going to contend I think both of them had issues with the marriage and one isn’t 100% innocent compared to the other.
This entire narrative makes him look super controlling, suffocating and manipulative. Stay strong, Sophie!
Neither of them come out if this looking great! I hesitate to join the bandwagon here labelling her as “abused” or “subjugated” , it’s almost infantalizing her!! Are we saying she had no choice but to birth those kids so young or that she was coerced into marrying him so young?!! Two things can be right at same time, she made the mistake of rushing into it without letting herself have time to mature. & yes she’s being a douche with his briefing of press, but why ignore how she’s also playing that game?!!
Actually, far from “infantalizing “ her, my view is the opposite of yours. Many of us recognize that even older teens and young adults often lack the experiences —and perhaps the scars — that lead to making informed judgements. That’s partly why more seasoned and cynical adults are raising eyebrows here, and partly why men like Joe actively seek out younger women who may not yet have the maturity, capacity, and cynicism to see them for who they really are.
tldr: It’s not called “infantalizing” when it’s actually developmentally appropriate. It will be interesting to read your comments if we learn that Joe has found other teens to toy with.
I don’t know much about him beyond what I’ve read here, but it IS a common dynamic. I hope his fans and future wives are taking notes.
why does it feel like he’s setting things up to go for sole custody.