Eden: Prince Edward & Sophie should be given a title upgrade for their loyalty

People have been fighting about Prince Edward and Sophie’s titles for years. Even when QEII was still alive, Prince Charles made it clear that he had no desire to “give” them the Edinburgh ducal titles they were promised by QEII and Prince Philip. There was also a big discussion about whether Sophie and Edward’s two children should have prince/princess titles, as Louise and James would have been entitled to as grandchildren of the monarch. At the end of the day, Charles “gave” Sophie and Edward the Edinburgh titles (for Edward’s birthday this year) and that was supposed to be the end of that. Sophie was finally a duchess and Charles belatedly fulfilled his mother’s wishes. Now the Edinburghs apparently want more? Richard Eden wrote this nonsense in his pre-Christmas newsletter with the Mail:

Edward and Sophie are the unsung heroes of the Royal Family – but it is an insult that their titles as Duke and Duchess of Edinburgh are not hereditary. That’s the view of Richard Eden, who believes King Charles should give them an immediate upgrade so they can pass the dukedom down the generations – a move which might also encourage their son James to join ‘The Firm’ when the time is right.

‘It is sometimes easy to forget that the Royal Family is much more than just our monarch. And I would like to highlight two of my unsung royal heroes of the year: Prince Edward and Sophie,’ writes Eden in the latest edition of his Palace Confidential newsletter.

‘With the Duke and Duchess of Sussex having quit royal duties, or “forced” to quit, as Prince Harry preposterously claimed in the High Court, and Prince Andrew no longer a “working royal”, Edward and Sophie have become even more vital to “The Firm”. They have worked as hard as ever this year, carrying out engagements around the country and overseas with little fanfare.’

‘While Harry and Meghan have used their royal titles for personal gain, helping them make a fortune in the United States of America, Edward and Sophie have continued the tradition of quiet public service embodied by Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip. They have deliberately chosen often difficult, unfashionable causes to highlight, such as in Sophie’s case, helping women who have been victims of sexual violence. Edward will meet hundreds, if not thousands, of young people who have achieved Gold in the Duke of Edinburgh’s Award scheme, of which he is patron.’

‘King Charles recognised the couple’s contribution to the success of the Monarchy by announcing on Edward’s 59th birthday in March that he would succeed their father as Duke of Edinburgh. This was something that our late Queen and Prince Philip had publicly made clear should happen at the time of Edward’s wedding to Sophie Rhys-Jones in 1999. It was, however, a shame that the King turned the Dukedom of Edinburgh into a life peerage rather than the hereditary title it had previously been. In my opinion, this was an insult.’

‘What better way to celebrate Edward and Sophie’s importance than by upgrading the title to a hereditary one? Perhaps that would be a good way to encourage their son, James, the Earl of Wessex, to join The Firm when the time comes? He could join his sister, Lady Louise Windsor, in providing vital support to their cousin Prince William.’

[From The Daily Mail]

Is this Sophie’s new thing? I always felt like she was the one behind the push for the Edinburgh titles, and now the non-hereditary titles are not even good enough for her. It could be that this isn’t even Sophie calling up Eden – it’s quite likely that this is Eden realizing how boring the left-behind Windsors are and how the whole thing is about to fall apart in a hurry unless younger royals (like James and Louise) are allowed to “support” King Charles and eventually King William. The thing is, Charles and William don’t want the support. Sophie has buttered up William and Kate, for sure, but neither Charles nor William want a “Prince James” or “Princess Louise” hanging around. Which is also the reason why Charles and William forced the Sussexes out, btw.

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  1. Tessa says:

    It is an article more about trashing harry and Meghan. Than praising Edward and sophie

    • Naye In VA says:

      Hopped right over Andrew with just “no longer a working total” after dedicating multiple words to scoffing at Harry

      The gall of this guy

    • swaz says:

      It’s always about Harry and Meghan 😍 THE STARS OF THE SHOW ❤

    • Proud Mary says:

      The leftovers will always be in the Successes’ shadows. Auntee Maureen sits up all night conjuring ways to insert some loser royal into his fevered brain obsession with the Successes. On the one hand she spends a lot of time trying to convince the world of Harry and Meghan’s irrelevance, yet, Maureen can never justify this or that royal’s perks without “Sussexes”.

      And what does loyalty mean anyway? Charles is a lot of things, but stupid is not one of them. He knows Sophie and her sisterwife are a couple of belly-crawling zeros. He knows they have no where else to go. What will they do if Charles rejects their request, which he was clearly willing to do in the first instance. Charles hates public campaigning. If he suspects that Sophie is behind this latest campaign, don’t be surprise if we start seeing even less of her and Edward.

  2. Jais says:

    Why would James or Louise ever join the Firm? The Windsors have made a very big public deal about a slimmed-down monarchy. Too bad it’s boring for Eden and the rest of the rota but it is what it is. The rota need to move onto acceptance and not denial.

    • Chloe says:

      Because they are looking for a new scapegoat. Louise doesn’t strike me as the partying type but she’s in college and with the right framing even an innocent drink with friends at a pub can be framed into a wild night out. I don’t know how old James is but in a few years he’ll be of age too and likely be going to night clubs with his friends.

      • aftershocks says:

        @Jais, you mean, ‘Why would James and Louise become senior working royals?’ They are already in the firm, via birth, like it or not. Albeit, minor members.

    • Jay says:

      That was my thought, too – TWO very unsubtle mentions of James, who I think is 16, and has always seemed uninterested in the spotlight. It’s like Eden took one look at the lackluster Windsors and desperately latched on to the one remaining male with a full head of hair. He’ll be the new Harry!

      The idea that Charles is dying to expand the number of people in senior roles at the firm is laughable! Charles has said quite the opposite – why would he want to divide the pie further? No, he’s perfectly fine with the current arrangement: Sophie and Edward will continue to do all of the grunt work and remain grateful that they still get to live in their home and keep their stipend due to the monarch’s generosity.

      I suspect that this may be more about trying to negotiate with workshy William, but they are not exactly in a strong position. What else could they do?

  3. Laura-Lee MacDonald says:

    Hahahahahaha!!! Hahaha…(wheeze)…HAAAAAAAAA! Sophie and Ed tried to make bank on their titles twenty years ago, failed spectacularly ‘cause they suck at business, and the Queen had to pay them to just sit down and shut up. Harry and Megan are GOOD at what they do. They are succeeding due to skill and leadership, and that is making the Leftovers furious.

    • aftershocks says:

      ^^ Exactly. 💯 In order to make it in the real world, it’s about having character, work ethic, talent, ideas, and brass tacks know-how! 💪 A royal title might get you noticed and in the door, but if you don’t have the substance to back it up, you are ‘dead-in-the-water.’ 😩😒

      H&M are not trading off their royal status. They are thriving because they have the skills to deliver, and the caring & compassion to go above and beyond in helping others, while making a living for themselves.

  4. equality says:

    James has always seemed to not be eager for the spotlight. Hopefully he and Louise can have a full private life. This is just the media wanting new victims.

    • Dee(2) says:

      Every picture I’ve ever seen of him since he was like eight he has looked supremely over having a camera in his face. And both of them are definitely at the ages where if they wanted to be part of the partying young aristocratic set, even with the general protection given to the royals we would know about it. They both seem very low key and not interested in being part of that whole thing, which is great because I would hate to be beholden to a cousin like William. Easier to have a more low-key life that you can fund yourself than a ” young royal” life that means you have to make deals with devils.

  5. Tina says:

    Eden always has the most deranged takes. Louise seems lovely but has the charisma of the piece of toast I just ate for breakfast. James clearly hates the cameras (don’t blame him). Neither one is going to be a working royal and they are so far down the line that I actually agree with Charles not making the title hereditary. It makes sense to save it for Charlotte or Louis. The press just needs to accept that they have a very boring decade ahead of them before they can get full access to the Wales kids.

    • ShazBot says:

      Yup, no offense to Louise and James but they aren’t going to bring anything exciting to the monarchy. They will be much better off figuring out their own careers.

  6. These titles mean nothing. They are absolutely ridiculous. They don’t make any of them more special. Abolish the monarchy.

  7. Lulu says:

    Bea would like a word as a Princess and grandchild of QEII who has been shut out of being a working royal. The king and heir are each desperate to be the center of attention and no one else will be in the circle until the wales children are brought in.

    • Harla A Brazen Hussy says:

      I wonder if William will allow George to put off his royal duties until he’s in his 30s, like William did? Personally I don’t think so, William will want all of his kids out there covering engagements for him and doing everything he can’t be bothered to do.

      • Tina says:

        At some point it will just be William and Kate as ‘working’ (LOL) royals so I feel like the kids will all have to work as early as possible. At some point if you only have 2 royals doing like 150 (I’m being generous) events a year each then even the monarchists will start to grumble. The Wales kids will be young and photogenic and will absolutely need to be and about distracting the masses.

      • sevenblue says:

        I am pretty sure Kate has been planning to be hands on grandmother. She will use grandchildren as an excuse for not doing much in the future.

      • Smart&Messy says:

        @ Tina, why would anyone be upset by the number of their engagements? I don’t understand why anyone tracks these engagement numbers. Their visits or whatever have very little impact other than self promotion and getting out of planes and making phone calls are counted separately. Ann did 400 engagements, bravo. What impact did it make? How many charity workers or volunteers said that meeting Anne at work made their day? I’m not trying to antagonize anyone here, just wondering why the royals put these numbers out there.

  8. Lili says:

    Doesn’t the Tile have a charity attached to it? There hasn’t been any news about it, since they the titles. So what they don’t want the responsibility attached to the Charity.

    • SarahCS says:

      The Duke of Edinburgh Awards was set up by Phillip and is all about getting young people out hiking and camping (you do successively more difficult and longer trips to get bronze, silver, then gold awards) and now I think they do other advocacy work and things to give young people various skills. It’s international too now. It’s very well established and runs on it’s own so while Edward is the patron due to the title it doesn’t need him.

      • Smart&Messy says:

        Thw charity might not need Ed, but if Sophie has any PR skills left she would be more eager to exploit the well established brand to raise her and Ed’s profile, no?

      • Justwastingtime says:

        Can confirm it’s international. My older one earned a gold Duke of Edinburgh award from his private high school in CA.

  9. Beach Dreams says:

    But I thought Eden and co. claimed that Harry and Meghan were struggling to make it in America. Now they’ve “made a fortune”? I wonder how long it will take for Eden to ricochet back to the struggle narrative. Anyway, I doubt Charles ever wanted to give Ed and Sophie those titles in the first place. He certainly won’t deign to make them hereditary.

  10. Amy Bee says:

    This is the press saying that the Royal Family needs young working royals and admitting that those working left behind are too old and boring.

  11. JaneS says:

    Titles, titles, titles, made up medals and ribbons to wear on their soldier costumes in the parades they give themselves. All a bunch of baloney. Fake, figure heads with no power.

    I’m burned out on all the BRF. Every blinking day they are on multiple sites.
    No one cares about titles or medals they give each other.

    If KC actually did something useful, like a $1M donation to the NHS, then it would be worth hearing about.
    Dull and irrelevant.

  12. GDubslady says:

    The spares are slowly turning on the heirs and choosing their camps. I think they see how William intends to cut their families out of everything from their homes, their security and their ceremonial roles. I wouldn’t be surprised if Andrew and Edward’s teams aren’t leaking information to Harry to support his legal cases. Edward and Sophie sued RAVEC for taking away six protection officers and the Andrew also was put out when RAVEC decided not to protect Eugenie and Beatrice. The spares are increasingly disturbed by decisions coming down the pike. Rebellion is in the air. William the alcoholic story probably came from a family member.

  13. Concern Fae says:

    These fools don’t seem to realize that it’s very important that people believe that these titles are earned by right of birth. All this insecure, jealous “working royal” foolishness is only hastening the moment when people realize that the whole thing is pure ridiculousness.

  14. bisynaptic says:

    The very concept of a life-peership is hilarious in its hypocrisy. If I were a recipient, I’d be insulted.

  15. Mary Pester says:

    Oh fk of Eden, are you that deranged that it’s now impossible for you to write ANYTHING without useing Harry and Megan to make it interesting to your other deranged readers. Your pathetic man, and such delusions of grandeur to think you can dictate what titles should be held by whom. Please, please stop taking Sophies calls. And maybe go back to journalism school for a while?

  16. daisy says:

    My royal conspiracy theory, that I’m basing on nothing but vibes, is that Charles had had the Edinburgh title earmarked for Harry. I know the Queen said it would go to Edward but Charles has clearly never really cared what his mother thought when it came to this stuff. He wanted it for HIS son.

    • aftershocks says:

      No, @Daisy. This is not the case. Chuck is just bitter against both his parents. He desired to keep the Edinburgh title for himself and to use it when he was in Scotland. He couldn’t do that though, because his current subsidiary titles take precedence over the Edinburgh title. LOL!

      Why ever would you even think Chuck wanted to give anything to Harry! 🙄 Plus, fyi, it was Queen Elizabeth II who was in charge of handing out dukedoms, NOT the former Prince Charles. 🫷 Hereditary royal dukedoms are traditionally given out by the monarch upon the marriage of the recipients. Charles likely had no say in the matter. Even before he met Meghan, Harry had privately told the Queen he liked the Sussex title, of the few available at that time. The plan had been put together in 1999 for Edward to ultimately receive DoE title, as that’s what Philip and Betty wanted. Weak, bitter, ineffectual Chuck reneged on the original agreement, but eventually caved, once he was told he couldn’t use the title himself. 🤦‍♀️

      It makes sense for the DoE title to not be passed down to James, but to revert back to the crown. If it was passed to James, it would lose royal stature and significance. Even if it was given to Louis as a hereditary title, it would eventually lose royal provenance. Not that such royal title snobbery amounts to much in modern times. But the Brits hold onto these outdated class (royalty and nobility) status notions.

  17. Over it says:

    What’s the matter Eden, bored with your leftover royals . They not exciting enough for you? Miss the glitz and glam of Harry and Meghan? Well suck it up. If you and the rest of your rodents didn’t do wank and racist Karen and camel toe and chuck bidding and had treated Harry and Meghan and their children with an ounce of respect and kindness, you won’t be stuck with what you have now . Too bad too sad . Get over yourself and bye.

  18. MipMip says:

    Two tinfoil tiara things came to mind while reading this:

    1. The rumors about Edward’s health. I have seen a lot of supposition that he is sick. No idea if this is true but it’s interesting when you juxtapose it with the life peerage that stingy Charles only gave him in March.

    2. Sophie’s motorcade accident. I still don’t believe that was her or her protection people. She took the fall for someone. She may have incandescent protection for that.

    If there’s any truth to them, I assume the rota knows the truth about both of these incidents and this is Eden rattling their cages.

  19. Libra says:

    Charles can’t/won’t upgrade the title because Wiliam has made it clear that it will one day go to Louis. Charles fears William’s temper. HRH Prince Louis, the Duke of Edinburgh..

  20. Kara C. says:

    Technically, Louise and James are already Princess Louise and Prince James. They can use those titles if they’d like.

    Louise certainly can use Princess Louise if she wants, given that she’s 18 and in university. The Edinburgh title is meaningless to her because she can’t inherit it. She was “Lady Louise” when her father was an Earl, and she’s “Lady Louise” now that her father is a Duke. She can go by Princess Louise if she so desires, as is her right unless King Charles writes a letters patent denying her of such. It appears she has no desire to be known as such.

    As far as James is concerned, I don’t understand why the Duke of Edinburgh title can’t be hereditary. I’ve never seen any official confirmation that it is not, but… if that’s the case, I don’t understand why it shouldn’t be hereditary. I’ve read rumors that Edward and Sophie’s son James is a high-functioning autistic. And if that’s the case, people *should* question why KCIII would make the Dukedom of Edinburgh into a lifetime peerage instead of a hereditary title when the dukedoms that QEII gave to her family (York, though there were no sons, Cambridge, and Sussex) and earldom (Wessex) were hereditary titles.

    I don’t know if there’s anything to the rumors about James. I know little about the young man, except for the fact that he appears to have escaped the Queen Mary of Teck genetics and therefore could grow up to be quite cute. I haven’t seen him in years!

    But if there’s any truth to the rumors about James and KCIII made the Dukedom of Edinburgh a lifetime peerage… well, people need to spend time dissecting that, especially now that everyone knows that he’s one of the Royal Racists.

    You can’t be pretend to be an avuncular figure to your people while shunning your own kin.

    • sevenblue says:

      “I don’t understand why it shouldn’t be hereditary”

      Because Charles doesn’t want it to be. That’s it. He wants the title to divert back to the crown after Edward maybe for slimmed-down monarchy plans or for William (so Will can give it to one of his children). It has been said for years that Charles doesn’t want to see a lot of people with titles, he wants it all (titles, money, castles) for a limited number of people.

    • Mrs.Krabapple says:

      No, technically, James and Louise are NOT royal and cannot be styled as royal until Charles says they can. The last monarch made it clear that it was her decision they NOT be styled as royal, only as children of an earl (well, now, a duke). That’s how courtesy titles work, they are given and taken away at the monarch’s whim. It’s different with peerages of course, but courtesy titles are at whim. I know Sophie said her kids could “choose” whether to be royal when they turned 18, but Elizabeth never said that, and it’s not up to Sophie. So I don’t know where Sophie pulled that out of.

      Edit to add: People will cry about “letters patent” but all that is, is a written statement expressing the monarch’s will. Elizabeth did that. There is no special or magical form a letters patent must take. I have repeatedly asked people to cite to any authority that says a courtesy title has to be given or taken away in a specific format, and nobody has been able to post that. There are people who study these things, and the conclusions are all that there is not special requirement, just an expression of the monarch’s will, which Elizabeth did.

      • Innie says:

        Letters patent have a specific meaning and form under English law. There are particular requirements relating to them (see Blackstone): https://www.britannica.com/topic/letters-patent

      • aftershocks says:

        Technically, per the current Letters Patent of George V that is in place, James and Louise (as grandchildren of the former monarch) are 💯 HRH Prince/ Princess. They simply do not use their titles because that was the agreement made when their parents married. Still, upon reaching the age of 18, both have the option of using their royal titles. Louise has reached age 18, and obviously has chosen not to do so, likely on her own. Albeit, Chuck could have made it clear that he prefers Edward’s offspring to continue not using their royal titles. It’s probably more likely that James & Louise are accustomed to the titles they have had since birth and thus, they are not interested in upgrades. They are members of the royal family, and since they technically could use their royal titles, they do have that provenance, and at the least should be considered royal adjacent.

      • Nic919 says:

        The people who do study these things are called lawyers. And letters patent have to be published in the Gazette to be in effect. For example, the letters patent making William prince of wales was only in the gazette months after Charles made the announcement.

        There is no letters patent reversing the George V letters patent of 1917 granting the HRH to all children of the son of a monarch. So James and Louise have the HRH and chose not to use it.

        The Queen cannot just put something on paper and it becomes law. It has to follow a process which includes the publishing in the gazette. Since her announcement saying the children would not use HRH until they were 18 was never printed in the gazette, it was never a law, but simply a request.

        This is how a constitutional monarchy works. There is at least a pretence that not everything a monarch says or writes is a new law.

      • Mrs.Krabapple says:

        @Innie, that is exactly what Elizabeth issued! (A written statement to the general public, bearing her seal on the document, that Ed’s kids would NOT be styled as children of a prince, but only of an earl). Elizabeth’s expression of her wishes overrides any previous monarch’s statement on the subject of courtesy titles. It holds until a monarch says otherwise (which Charles could easily do, if he actually wanted to, which he doesnt).

        @aftershocks, Elizabeth said nothing in her written statement (that had her seal on it) about the kids getting to choose when they turn 18. Because it wasn’t up to them (or their parents), but solely the whim of the monarch. The monarch said “no” in writing, and that is that (until a future monarch says otherwise). Maybe that is unfair? But that’s just how courtesy titles work, given and taken away at whim.

  21. Jensa says:

    The Edinburgh titles not enough for these scroungers??
    Oh and it would be ludicrous for Louise or James to become working royals – they are WAY down the line of succession. Is this coming from Sophie’s camp?

  22. JaneS says:

    Ed&Sophie have been on the outer edge of the royals for all their married life.

    I am rooting for their kids, both of them, to go get an education and real life working jobs in anything private. I don’t care what, whatever interests them.
    If they show at Xmas for lunch w/KC, etc. and get papped, I’d hope that will be all they have to put up with.

    KC, Cam, Will & the big 3 as they age into their public roles is more than enough of the BS.
    Turn it all into museums, that charge fees.

    p.s. I am 100% in favor of George going rogue and ditching this “duty” BS to go spend his life on a far away Island, fishing his days away. If that’s what he wants.
    If Charlotte wants to job, give it to her. Lous, you do you, buddy.

    In 2024, I plan to go no comment on all the under 21’s. Until they turn 21, no snark.

  23. Saucy&Sassy says:

    I’m starting to get the feeling that the bm want to have younger royals doing some work so that they have something to write about.

  24. tamsin says:

    I think Lady Louise would make a good working royal. She seems quite unassuming, would not take away any shine from anyone, and reminds me of a young Princess Alexandra who seems to have quietly gone about supporting her cousin the Queen her whole life. Louise seems to have grown into a poised young woman. I also think Sophie should get credit for the work she does as a “working royal.” She seems to have done some good for people. She may not be a likable person, but she certainly seems better at the job than Kate.

  25. Trei says:

    With Louise already of age and James soon to be, they can request their titles on their own. I am sure it would cause a huge annoyance for King Charles since if he tried to deny the request and put a hitch in William’s grand plan. Perhaps Sophie can use that as leverage to get what she wants.

  26. May says:

    I disagree with most of the posters here and believe that Edward should have been granted a hereditary dukedom. First, Queen Elizabeth, and Prince Philip, stated in writing that Edward should become the Duke of Edinburgh upon Philip’s death. This was agreed to by Charles. At the very least, Charles should keep his word. Also, it smacks of the kind of exceptions to normal practices and lack of support that Harry and Meghan were subjected to during their time as working royals. I.e, Charles or William don’t want something so they change the rules. Further, the duchy of Edinburgh is not an ancient, special dukedom that should not be granted only to revert to the crown. Queen Victoria gave this dukedom to her second son. Let’s say they want to save this for Prince louis. Prince Louis is in no different position then Edward who was the son of a monarch. Further, Edward having this title as inheritable has absolutely nothing to do with Charles’ wishes to slim down the monarchy. Most Dukes are not working Royals. Further, Edward was one of the few Royals, and perhaps the only senior royal, who publicly interacted in a meaningful manner with the Sussexes when the others were shunning and/or not supporting them (some others are Ann’s husband and Sarah Chatto). He may be problematic but I don’t think Edward is an ass like the rest of the Royals. Finally I don’t think it’s very smart of Charles to do this because it flies in the face of their contentions of the special Royal blood and the hereditary nature of the Royalty. So, only certain sons of a monarch receive a hereditary title? Is the blood of some not as special? Mind you, I think the monarchy should be abolished; however, if you are going to have one it just seems silly to have it progress in a willy-nilly, haphazard fashion.