I’m watching the coverage from afar, safely in America, and I have to ask my British peeps something: is the news over there all about Prince Harry traveling to England? Because that’s how it looks from here. Every national newspaper is doing liveblogs and breaking-news coverage. Granted, the liveblogs have been active since Buckingham Palace announced King Charles’s cancer diagnosis, but every time I check for an update, it’s all about Harry. When will Harry arrive, will he meet with his brother, where will he stay, what does it all mean. Well, Prince Harry has arrived in the UK:
After an overnight flight from LAX – it seems Prince Harry has landed at Heathrow airport. And is now on his way to see his father, King Charles. pic.twitter.com/4lcJKUxivL
— Chris Ship (@chrisshipitv) February 6, 2024
He touched down a short time ago and his motorcade – involving at least two police vehicles – is making its way to London right now. Given the presence of the police vehicles, I feel even more comfortable in my assumption that Harry’s trip was coordinated with the palace and his father. This wasn’t Harry suddenly announcing yesterday that he would travel to the UK and surprise his dad. When Charles called Harry to tell him about the cancer, they discussed this. Charles either asked Harry to come or Harry volunteered and Charles agreed to it.
So, this is Harry’s first time in London since last September, when he made a brief stopover to attend the WellChild Awards and visit his grandmother’s tomb (in Windsor) on the first anniversary of QEII’s passing. Before that, Harry spent a couple of days in England for the coronation, where he was invited by his father but they didn’t speak much (or at all). Beyond all of the tabloid bullsh-t, I genuinely hope that Charles and Harry get some time together alone to just talk. I would assume that’s what Harry wants as well. Which probably means that the courtiers will do everything they can to thwart it. My stomach is in knots just thinking about all of the arcane and petty punishments they likely have in store for Harry.
Update: Harry was driven directly to Clarence House, where he apparently met with Charles for 45 minutes, and now Charles is taking a helicopter to Norfolk??
New: King Charles has left Clarence House and a helicopter is waiting for him at Buckingham Palace. It is believed Prince Harry left moments earlier. Their meeting would have lasted less than 45 minutes.
— Matt Wilkinson (@MattSunRoyal) February 6, 2024
Prince Harry's convoy reportedly left the Windsor Suite this afternoon to pick him up from his flight.https://t.co/KoQStBxNHs pic.twitter.com/znm5AgHCtW
— The Mirror (@DailyMirror) February 6, 2024
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Be safe, Good King Harry!
Be safe my favorite Prince ❤ he left his little babies and his wife to travel all the way to the UK to visit a dad that evicted them from their home 😵
It is ABSOLUTELY BANANAS to me that the RR are covering Harry as if he’s the heir, and that KP is just letting this happen.
With knowledge that Harry was en route, why wouldn’t they have William photographed going to visit Charles to grab that headline and narrative?
Why is William hiding???
Charles could have thrown his heir a lifeline at any time and pretended that William is calling him for updates on the regular. He could have added that his heir accompanied him and Camilla to the first treatment, that of course William is (secretly) visiting his father, nothing to see here!
But they are not overtly protecting William – if anything, they are hanging him out to dry and letting the rota run with some very mild criticism that he needs to step up. Curiouser and curiouser.
It’s not just the RRs. I just turned on the news here in Norway and Harry’s arrival was one of the main news stories. They also mentioned they’d have more about his arrival in the next broadcast. Not a word about TOB.
one option is that Charles is trying to
Give William some tough love in the hope that he will rise to the occasion and stand on his own two feet. Dunno but… seems like a good idea to me.
@startup, I think William had something to do with Kate’s hospitalization. He’s hiding cuz the more he’s out there, the more he will be questioned about his wife.
What do you do when you’re guilty of something?
@Snuffles: As much as I HATE how Harry and Meghan have been treated, I would not be mad about the outcome you suggest. They get all the Hate with none of the benefits, I would like them to have some of the benefits.
This is my theory for today:
~William said he wanted a divorce and Kate flipped and tried to harm herself (a la Diana flinging herself down the stairs)
~Kate was sent to Switzerland to have intensive psychiatric treatment for depression and an eating disorder: no visitors allowed, no photo ops allowed
~The Middletons didn’t play the game of driving to the hospital because they’re angry at William for wanting a divorce (and for not paying off their bills)
~The children have not returned to school because other kids would ask questions or make comments, so they are now being homeschooled
~William has not yet visited Charles because he’s angry that Charles and Camilla dissed him by saying it helps the public to be informed about a royal’s medical issues
~Harry just wanted to see his Dad (before Invictus) and Charles gave him a full 45 minutes!
~Charles does not have a great prognosis
Thoughts?
I said this below, but will say it again here..If you believe in the predictions of Nostradamus, we will indeed have a King Harry.
I haven’t seen your comments on this. What do you mean?
Nope. Harry is 5th in line to the throne. For him to become King, William, George, Charlotte, and Louis would all have to die or abdicate.
Maybe Harry would return to be regent for George, if both of his parents are incapacitated.
Why would anyone wish that on Harry and his family? Can you imagine Harry putting his own children back into that cage? There is no way Meghan will allow that happen after she saw the inside of that firm.
@MARGO ANDERSON, nothing has to happen to the Wales kids. If William never becomes King (for whatever reason), then as the next adult in line Harry would be regent until George turns 18.
If (and a big IF) William is in any way connected to Kate’s condition, and it’s clear he’s feeling the pressure of the tabloids that KNOW what Kate’s condition is but are staying schtum about it, it’s natural he’d go into hiding because he’s a chicken-sh*t bully. He needs to step up to the royal plate ASAP.
Harry may be called upon to take on a supportive position to the crown as he is listed as a Counsellor of State, but I wouldn’t put much faith in this as there are other Counsellors like Anne, Edward, etc. who would be “boots on the ground” so to speak.
Just spitballing here:
Let’s say half in/half out is back on the table. They stay in Montecito as their main residence, but would do Commonwealth visits on behalf of the King on occasion. In exchange, they get their security back, Frogmore Cottage back, and can freely visit the UK for their charity visits and visiting friends.
Harry has enormous leverage at the moment.
Was unaware of this so googled and found the prophecy (its quatrain 22)
“For not wishing to consent to the divorce,
Which then afterwards will be recognised as unworthy:
The King of the Isles will be driven out by force,
In his place put one who will have no mark of a king.”
Don’t see why this would be associated with Charles and Harry. Anyone know?
@juliejules
You would have to ask a Nostradamus expert on that. I googled too and found a few other passages that might be relevant:
39
First son, widow, unfortunate marriage,
Without any children two Isles in discord:
Before eighteen, incompetent age,
For the other one the betrothal will take place while younger.
40
The young heir to the British realm,
Whom his dying father will have recommended:
The latter dead Lonole will dispute with him,
And from the son the realm demanded.
@snuffles, @julie jules. Your passages seem to fit Henry VIII more than KC. Just my opinion.
I don’t have a good feeling about this 45 minute meeting. Why so short? I see Camilla was there and she is trouble. Let’s see what happens tomorrow. If Harry left or is leaving without seems his father again then wasn’t good.
Godspeed Harry.
Its bonkers. William is the heir, and Harry was long ago discarded and kicked out by the RM, but Harry is all they can talk about. What the hell!?
Seriously! And Harry can fly halfway around the world, while William is completely MIA? What is going on?
Has William even visited his father?
According to the press Will hasn’t visited his dad yet. And yet Harry got on a plane from another country to visit his dad.
It appears the War of the Wales and Windsors is happening right under our gossipy noses. This is gonna get good folks!
There’s a headline in one of the tabs saying “HARRY AT KING’S SIDE!” Nothing about william.
So the media just report that William hasn’t visited his cancer-ridden father but they don’t even question why he is still in hiding when he is his father’s heir. This is so damn weird!
This main point of this story to me. Where is the heir and why nobody cares? Where is Kate? There is such silence from KP – if there was one competent person there would be a statement following BP’s one – that Wills is ready to support at any request from the kind and there is business continuity ensured.
I am literally gobsmacked at the blatant silence from them. Where in the heck is Kate where is will. Why does no one care.
They only care about Harry.
Harry will always be the STAR OF THE FAMILY, and the British Media most profitable REAL ESTATE 😍😍
There’s a very old American vaudeville song called “I’m just wild about Harry”. Picture all the well known British media figures singing and dancing to that.
Or his family is using him again for distraction.
The derangers are spitting mad that Harry’s arrival is getting all of the media attention. They are blaming Harry for courting the media. His power, lol!
Anyway, where’s William?
William might be in hiding, freaking out because it’s one thing to make the RR write stories about how he’s a great statesman, but it’s another to actually having to do the work expected of him as a king. And we know he can’t hack it.
Emily Andrews said on Jeremy vine that Harry leaked the fact that he was visiting bc he wanted the attention and publicity🙄. Which is bs. I am confused though. The BM writes that a source close to Harry says he is visiting his dad. How is it a source when it’s just his spokesperson telling them? It feels like a ploy to make Harry look like someone who plants and leaks. They want to show that Harry leaks and plants like the places do.
Jais, do I need to tell you that Emily Andrews is a joke who gets crumbs from KP for a living? She wants you to believe that Harry is leaking to the very news outlets that he’s suing? What tabloids did Harry leak to when he and Meghan went to Jamaica recently? Did that stop the round the clock coverage? Fact is, the British media is obsessed with Harry and Meghan, and because of their invisible contract with both KP and BP, the leaks will come from those palaces. Partly for security reasons and also because he hates the BM, Harry NEVER wants his outings leaked at all. This is his primary bone of contention with the Firm. He wants his brother and father to end their clandestine/symbiotic relationships with the press.
Proud Mary, she’s worse than a joke. Misleading with twisted narratives that incite hate. Harry’s spokesperson answered questions after BP initially leaked. Which is not the same as a source close to Harry calling up all the papers to tell everybody Harry’s coming! She said even more twisted stuff about Meghan and it was gross.
There’s something wrong with Will. Whether he’s actually fully incompetent and unable to fulfill his duties or he’s just a narcissistic privileged idiot with a rage problem, the firm has been either unwilling or unable to rein him in his entire life and now they are in the process of being destroyed by the monster they created. They can’t admit it or expose him without exposing themselves.
I wonder if they even realized how much they needed Harry, how much he filled in the blanks or smoothed over rough patches or people-pleased enough to make up for Will walking through life like a permanent storm cloud. I think they really thought that, at some point, Will would either grow up and get with it or at least make himself a useful idiot to the political operatives he’s filled KP with for years.
I truly think that’s the root here – the tabloids and the aristos who own them were willing to indulge Will his NDAs and court rulings of silence and sycophantic PR because they believed they were building up an icon that they could one day turn into a puppet for their own ends. I think the mess we’re seeing is a breaking of ranks because some people are desperately trying to stick with the plan and others see that they’ve backed a losing horse and are trying to pivot.
You’ve nailed it.
The only question is whether Will is now hiding in a castle somewhere afraid of what’s waiting for him or raging in a castle somewhere because he’s going to have put on his big boy pants and finally get to work.
Please note:
Williams’ skull fracture at age 10:
https://www.hellomagazine.com/healthandbeauty/health-and-fitness/20221024154999/prince-william-major-surgery-skull-fracture-golf/
Possible complications of frontal lobe injury:
https://www.verywellhealth.com/the-brains-frontal-lobe-3146196
If the Windsors have been working to hide a known behavioral/neurocognitive disability in the heir, it makes yet more sense that Harry has always been used as a ‘wild child’ scapegoat for the press.
@Sunday 💯
This – “the firm has been either unwilling or unable to rein him in his entire life and now they are in the process of being destroyed by the monster they created” – explains so much of what I think has been going on for years now in the Firm. either unwilling or unable to stop William in any way shape or form and now he’s…..this.
@garrity I understand where you are going with this but
1. we have seen multiple videos of W younger than 10 acting like a bad tempered, spoiled, entitled brat and
2, if he had an issue with brain damage/concussion etc he would never have been medically cleared/allowed to fly helicopters.
@garrity He showed signs of this well before he was 10
@seaflower
He’s royalty so the rules don’t apply to him.
But also he was only ever a co-pilot if I remember correctly.
I’ve been saying this for a few days, but Wills not being anywhere public right now to me – especially these past two days – is clear evidence that Wills is somewhere he can’t leave. Inpatient treatment, locked up for treatment at home, his own coma, who knows. But there is no way he is letting first The Evil Stepmother and now Harry take all his Global Statesman attention away from him.
Regarding comments about William’s skull fracture and possibly personality changes, bear in mind that a traumatic brain injury (TBI) does not necessarily cause behavioural changes such as aggression, but it is well established that it exacerbates premorbid (prior to injury) characteristics. In other words, if Will had anger and impulse control issues as a child, the TBI could easily have made those issues worse.
@MsDarcy
I agree with you that Will is someplace he can’t leave. The one time he was seen a he was with someone. My thoughts are along the lines of rehab due to DV anger management issues towards Kate.
The article says William was only 8 when he got hit in the head with a golf club. After Diana, Harry was his first visitor in the hospital. I never knew this, but having a TBI explains a lot.
You don’t have to like him but William is a helicopter pilot & he wasn’t “only a co-pilot”. Also the crazy Kate stories truly sound unhinged. He won’t divorce her. Harry visited his ailing father which was the right thing to do. Harry will never be King of England nor will he be regent. Besides according to Harry he wants nothing to do will the RF.
If William decided to quit the RF tomorrow it would get only a fraction of the attention Harry gets.
Harry is and always will be the star player and attraction. He is the most prominent member of the RF and William is eaten up with jealousy. This is why Charles has to go hard on Harry because he is afraid of upsetting William even more.
Interesting. If they are sending the police escort, it means this visit is palace approved. I think he will be allowed to meet with his father in person this time around.
That said, I don’t think he will stay long. It will be in and out just like the coronation.
Yes, it’s exactly how Charles wanted it. It’s all about control, and Charles can control Harry’s security. Charles wanted Harry to visit and so approved security. If Harry wanted to visit, he’d have to ask 2 weeks in advance for security, and thus far, every time that security has been denied.
Not 2 weeks, Jais…. 28 days. The nerve of these people. I hope Harry has time to meet with his lawyers in person to discuss the upcoming court cases and perhaps check in with a charity or two, all without the rota rats knowing, to make the long trip really worthwhile.
28 days? Lordy. Thanks for the correction!
It’s classic abusive control by Charles to Harry.
What’s so unexpected is that all of their petty meanness seems to be so quickly biting them. They are falling over themselves for Harry now. They better figure out that they need to kiss Meghan’s image in the press if they want to see Harry back doing anything, because he is not going to let them divide his family.
This is how it all seems to me. Manipulation to get Harry back in their grips.
@Magdalena I was wondering about the lawsuits, too. Could it be possible that Harry’s already won his case against RAVEC and that’s why he has security, but it hasn’t been announced yet? And what is the timeline for the next phone hacking case, wasn’t it supposed to be in January? I lost track…
Yes a few days at most. He is due in Canada for IG and IG is much more deserving of his attention.
The media are reporting that Harry met with Charles for 45 minutes, which is 44 more minutes than Charles deserves.
Harry’s arrival is being covered live by the UK papers and a few of the Rota via their social media accounts but nothing on the TV news yet; I suspect that will change in the next couple of hours and definitely by the time for the early evening bulletins between 5 -6 pm.
I think the RF is in crisis. Something is up with Will and Kate and Harry is being called in to be the Heir-Whisperer… He’s too generous and loyal to his grandmother’s legacy and what he was taught as his duty to the crown and the Kingdom. They don’t deserve him but he is as always a world class example of how to treat people with compassion and respect.
I wish Harry all the best and will be relieved when he is home safe again with his legendary wife and radiant children.
I agree the royal family is in crisis, but I don’t think Harry is here to talk TO William. He might be here to talk ABOUT William as well as check in on his father.
I feel like Charles needs to talk business with Harry and make contingency plans in case things go tits up.
Yeah, I don’t think H is there to talk to William either. I don’t doubt his father would try to push him and play the victim telling Harry he must support William, but unless there’s been a reapproachement from Willy to Harry that we don’t know about (lol as if) I think Harry knows very well what his brother is and won’t be swayed.
Yeah I suspect Charles will be try to lay the groundwork for Harry to become Regent in case anything happens to him while George is underage. Something big is about to break about the Wails thats going to take them out of the succession.
I agree, but what can Harry realistically do at this point? He’s not the heir, or even the heir’s heir. Even if William runs off into the sunset, Harry can’t step in and be king.
@Snuffles
I wonder. Maybe, just maybe Charles cancer is/was a little more serious than actually reported? Those people have such a way of “welllll it’s serious but it’s not serious. (maybe)” that who knows 🤔
I agree with your assessment that it’s a ” just in case” scenario
I also think Charles knows more about what’s up with W&K than he lets on (spies everywhere y’all) and is giving Harry the tea
I agree that this is about harry being brought into the loop with the Waleses or just discussing the future etc, and not about Harry being expected to intervene with William or anything like that.
There is every possibility that Kate has had a mental breakdown, suffering with anorexia bulima and is being PEG fed, and unlikely to return to public life for the foreseeable future. William knows that he is not really keen on the top job and is wobbling right now.
What future is there to discuss? Harry is currently 5th in line to the throne. One day he will move up to 4th & then probably slip back down as the Wales children marry & have their own kids. It was nice Harry has gone to see his father who is battling cancer. That is all this is. A son going to see an ill father. There is no new news in succession or “burying hatchets” or the like. They may, one day, find themselves able to forgive the slights that have occurred but I am guessing civility will be the best that could be hoped for.
If you believe the predictions of Nostradamus, we will indeed have a King Harry…I absolutely think this is a discussion about him taking over until Prince George is of age to take over.
Will the truth about Kate dribble out now that Harry is here to be drawn into the mix? Deflect, deflect, deflect.
Apparently the meeting with Harry was over in 45 mins and Charles took a plane to Sandrigham. damn that family is cold.
This is all there is to it. I suspect that succession plans will be ongoing with W. William may be lazy but he will never pass his chance of being on the throne, these people (including to be fair H&M) are still talking about birthright in 2024.
Whatever is happening with Kate, I think William was involved. Tinfoil hat theory: William is forced to abdicate (they are maybe in negotiations as we speak). This is a way for them to keep the truth from Kate’s condition out of the public eye. Maybe George becomes King but Harry is his Regent if it comes to that. Charles would have to be considering this in some way, shape or form, solely based on Will’s erratic behavior right now.
@Julie lol is it bad that I’m like, damn, 45 minutes? That’s longer than I expected! I felt like they were going barely let him in the door.
So is Charles’ treatment going to be daily, once a week, what? Is he going to helicopter every day back and forth from Sandringham to London?
clearly Harry’s visit was planned with Charles’ approval so Harry knew what to expect. I wonder what happens next – is Harry going back home? does he spend the night in London?
@becks
Its so sad that Harry left his family and flew 12h for a 45 mins meeting. I keep hoping for better for him but they only give him scraps.
He was also only informed yesterday ahead of the official release even though Charles has known for a week now.
They dont deserve him.
Let’s not get carried away with wishful thinking.
The ONLY thing that can remove William from the line of succession is William dying. There is literally nothing, no scandal, that can remove him from the line of succession while he’s still alive. Divorcing Kate would be a minor scandal but the press would manipulate things, and Kate isn’t beloved like Diana, and she’s also not strong and willing to F things up like Diana did.
Even if William and Kate both died, it’s extremely unlikely that Harry would be regent, for various reasons. That’s just not how UK law works.
There’s no way in a million billion years that William would ever permit Harry to be regent while W is still alive (which can’t legally happen anyway – that’s fanfic – but hypothetically if it was legally possible, William would never, ever permit it).
And why on earth would Harry ever agree to or want that? He’s happy and settled in California, he’s not going to abandon his wife and children to return to the toxic Firm that bullied them out, and he’s sure as hell not going to bring his beloved wife and children into the environment that nearly drove Meghan to suicide and racially abused her and their children.
I think Harry is just there to see his father, not talk about the Wails. Willy wails will be protected come what may. I doubt Harry will be told anything about the wails, it’s under wraps.
@TurbanMa You are spot on!
@PrincessK I think what you said above is interesting.
William isn’t keen about the top job and is “wobbling”…
Maybe Harry is being brought in for Regent discussions and W is ok with it, using the “I need to care for Kate” excuse to allow that to happen?
This family have not changed much since the 19th century. Very regimented. Everything done by appointment even between family members. No spontaneity. Diana could not stand it and neither could Harry, and I don’t think William really likes it either. I believe that Kate has finally buckled under the pressure of living up to be the perfect princess and the veneer has finally cracked.
A journalist just said that Kate had ‘fairly major surgery’, how do they know? The line was that it was major surgery…..
Wow, they are really acting like Harry is the heir. It is scary honestly for Harry. I hope he stays safe. All I remember is the funeral from hell, how they turned the QE’s funeral into a clown show of punishing H&M. They (the palace, the press) didn’t learn anything since then.
Yep they have made this all about Harry. They trying to manipulate him and his wife through his father illness. Disgusting people
Yes I begin to wonder if Chuckles said yes to this visit to just get Harry there so there would be more stories to write about this visit to cover for where is Peg and what happened to Can’t.
I love it for them that the windows were too dark for any of them to get a money shot.
Same, same.
I’m glad he has arrived safely and I hope he gets whatever it is he wants from this visit and then gets quickly back to his life and family safely.
My stomach is in knots when I think about all the ways Charles will try to guilt him. “Please, dear boy, drop your cases against the tabloids for me.” Listen, I wish Charles a healthy recovery and for him to treat Harry well. But I don’t trust Charles. He likes Harry when he can find ways to control him.
Well, he did drop one case which was about his security. Theoretically, if it had gone to trial, Charles’s business would have been exposed.
@Snuffles, Harry dropped the case, because the judge said it will be considered “opinion” piece, which means it will be unlikely Harry will win a defamation lawsuit against an opinion piece. His team probably decided to spend their energy and money on his other cases including security case against RAVEC. He didn’t do a favor to his father.
The rest of the security case with RAVEC is still going to trial. So there is still potential for palace exposure. The security case and the one with the sun especially have the potential to expose palace shenanigans.
Do they realize they’re covering this as if Harry is rushing to be by Charles’ side as he lays on his deathbed?
I know rules only apply to us plebes, and if Charles wanted he could have Harry’s 28-day notice rule lifted whenever he needs to, but if we’re to believe that Harry can only visit the UK with a month’s notice then they’re telling on themselves and they’ve all known since end of December / early January.
That month’s notice stuff is BS.
Right?! And also as if he’s the heir who just happened to be out of the country and had to rush back. Where is the actual heir?? And why isn’t the absolute vanishing act of the Wailses the main story? The silence on this leads me to assume they (the press) all know what’s really happening with the Wailses. Where are they?
Of course the media know what has actually happened to Kate.
They might have known since then and there’s a connection with why/when Kate went into hospital.
Or Harry and his lawyers are going to use this visit as proof that he doesn’t need to give a 28 day warning, so it’s a win for him.
I wonder if this was a good excuse for both of them to meet face-to-face and hash out a few things. Like:
– What is Harry’s role as one of the council?
– Does Harry actually need some kind of residence in England to do it?
– Does KFC understand finally that Harry was holding all the siblings together and that he needs to have him back in England so that he can help keep the monarchy alive?
– What therefore would be Meghan’s role? Does KFC understand that Harry is not going to leave her?
– Will KFC finally apologize for being a racist?
Ugh! So many questions.
I would love it if Harry is negotiating to get his security (for him, Meghan and the kids) and Frogmore Cottage back in exchange for pre-negotiated visits and events.
This would be ideal for the monarchy and for Harry as a son. While I don’t believe Will can reform, and Charles is only safe when he leashes Camilla (which is never), now if Charles needs Harry it could be different.
Harry will not waver on his family, so Charles should be prepared to apologize to Meghan and treat A and L like real grandkids.
But no matter what else, this is Harry’s father. Maybe nothing will be resolved except to say they love one another, and that can be a peace that might be important for Harry.
100%, it’s f*cked up but ultimately the media war against the Sussexes only ends if those waging the war call it off. And if the Firm is truly desperate and scrambling at this moment, then it might finally be an opportunity for Harry to get some real answers if not actual accountability. Harry and Meghan are the ones with leverage here and Lord I hope they’re using it.
But how could Harry trust anything from these people? The BRF and the BM are in each other’s pockets, why wouldn’t Frogmore Cottage be chock a block with listening devices let alone the security situation for all of the Sussexes? They’ve poisoned the well so thoroughly why should H&M believe any of their assurances?
@InterestedGawker I don’t think anyone is saying that Harry should trust these people. I’m certainly not; what I am saying is simply Charles clearly needs Harry, therefore Harry has leverage. The fact that Harry is going to meet with Charles when previously Charles refused to see him is proof of that. That doesn’t mean that Harry is even going to entertain anything that Charles has to say; sometimes you agree to meet up with your ex just for the satisfaction of telling them to go f*ck themselves to their face.
I think that Harry went now because it will be the most convenient for their respective schedules…nothing more or nothing less.
So much has been written about the situation, it hard to see clearly.
I dearly wish it was any/all these things, but Charles and Harry only met for 45 minutes.
I strongly doubt it was anything other than Harry permitting emotion and filial love get the better of him (Harry is a very emotional person) and naturally wanting to see his father. Whatever terrible things Charles has done, he’s still Harry’s dad. It’s very very normal and natural to rush to your only parent’s side when they’re diagnosed with a serious illness; it doesn’t have to be for Important Talks.
And from Charles side, maybe part of him does want to see his son for paternal reasons, but I believe it’s mostly a power play and a way to prove to the press that the family isn’t as divided and at war as it looks.
I really doubt anything important was discussed during their meeting, probably just small talk and Harry asking about Charles’ health and Charles asking about Harry’s life and family in California.
The only other alternative is if the theories are true and Kate has passed away, in which case I’m sure Harry would be there to emotionally support his dad and the rest of the family, and wouldn’t be thinking about status or coming back as regent or anything silly like that. Kate’s death would of course be tragic and awful but it wouldn’t affect the royals or the line of succession in any way.
I hope they get to be alone and talk, father and son. This is likely a terrible event in both their lives, they need time together.
I honestly believe Chuck loves his son (and make no mistake, the palace probably did a DNA test on both sons at some point), and they need to just sort this out themselves.
What a weird (i:e curious) segue.
Charles *might* love his son, but he’s made it public that Meghan isn’t family. And he famously stripped their security and evicted them from their home gifted to them by QE2. And let’s not forgot that Charles was fretting about how unsuitable unborn Archie’s skin tone would be.
If that’s what the Firm and the RF call “love”, I would want no part of it. Racists are incapable of loving non-white humans. His family’s lack of genuine affection for his children will always be a deal breaker for Harry.
Chuckles wasn’t kidding way back when he did the engagement announcement with Diana. He really doesn’t f@cking know what love means.
He doesn’t know what love means, and I think that’s why we saw Harry give him so much grace in Spare. Harry knows how stunted his father is, emotionally.
Sure, he loves in that “whatever love is” type of way. And for Charles, it always seems to be conditional. For Harry’s sake, I hope Charles can step up as a father but the real truth is that Charles’ past actions have deliberately put the sussex family in mortal danger.
Diana and Charles are bio parents. No need for DNA test.
“…DNA test on both sons…”
What?
DNA tests? What an insult to Diana.
But that’s what the BRF has been doing all their lives, insult Diana and her youngest son. Didn’t you read Spare where Harry said that as a child, his own father Charles used to make hurtful “jokes” about how he was not his father???
Supposedly, News of the World (way back when) got hold of Harry’s hair (or something) and had a DNA test done.
Guess it didn’t show what they wanted or something because it was buried.
That’s the tale I heard way back when.
Charles loves only Camilla… he needs Harry and that is why he is being treated like a prince right now. If he doesn’t get what he wants Charles will go back to snubbing, shunning and leaking things about Harry.
Harry is the spitting image of Philip. Don’t believe deranger nonsense about Harry’s parentage. All you have to do is look at Phillip as a young man. Also Harry’s profile is 100% Phillip.
I believe this will be a very short visit and it’s not all about the king having cancer. I think its more serious and might involve his brother. That’s it! I am into conspiracy theory; 🙁
So you think Harry’s visit also has something to do with Kate???
Harry needs to steer clear of kate
More like” this doesn’t add up ” theory.
@Libra you said this on the other post (or something similar) and I just want to say its a good way of putting it. Its not a conspiracy theory to look at something like the current Wales situation and think “something weird is going on here” because its just not adding up.
It could easily be that something bigger than Charles having cancer is going on for Harry to drop everything and rush over. If Will is MIA for some really serious reason they want folks to know, Harry could be visiting to discuss. The only thing is IDK what serious reason would be convincing enough for Harry to come, or serious enough for them to even want him. It would need to be bad. Really horrible. But not something so bad that Harry wouldn’t agree to cover it up (which is obviously what they’re doing)
We only think that Hary dropped everything and went to the UK because that’s the timeline BP has given us. He might have known for a while his father was sick, and this trip is less of a rush that they want us to believe.
It can also be that he wants to visit before the IG in Vancouver. And it can also be that Charles invited him and offered security. He is taking this moment to talk with his father. But yeah def there could also be more going on with the Wales couple.
Maybe they just wanted the visit to take place before the treatments really start taking their toll on Charles.
@Ace that’s true. If Harry was told last week about the cancer diagnosis, then his visit isn’t so much of a “drop everything and rush to England” as it is a planned visit to see his father before he begins treatment. It’s clear Charles did not learn of his diagnosis yesterday.
I think alot is going on that we don’t know about and many things can be true. Charles has cancer, Kate hasn’t been seen since Dec 25, William is completely MIA and Camilla was walking around absolutely gleeful last week (likely before cancer diagnosis was known). So stuff is happening behind the scenes. If Harry wants to see his dad I think he should do what he needs to do. Charles was a dogshit father but you only have your parents for so long and you don’t want regrets. As for everything else? I hope Harry hopes back on that plane and lets them sort it out. They made it very clear that Harry and his wife (and his kids) are not their family.
Listen, actual conspiracies exist, have existed, and always will exist. Particularly in high seats of power. To see a conspiracy under every rock would be idiotic, but having a plausible theory about a possible conspiracy, before it becomes public knowledge, is quite sensible and intelligent.
Where’s Willy?
And they’re a little tardy with Kate’s proof of life photos.
It’s bizarre even for this family. Why isn’t William the face of this whole situation with tightly worded statements on “Thank you for your thoughts in this difficult time for our family. We are supporting each other and ask for privacy during the healing period. Yada yada.” Why isn’t the *heir* offering soothing but brief commentary to shutdown rumors?
Eggplant prince bulliam is incandescent with rage that the news is all about good king harry and zero about him, that no coverage is ever that intense for him. But is relieved that for a moment eyes are looking somewhere else than where he is, where kkkhate is, if she’s still alive. He will be humiliated wednesday when he is out “working” when everyone will of course be following harry instead. He’ll have to hire crowds again to yell “I love you william”. Literally no one would ever without a paycheck
Hee hee hee this is so accurate!
Whenever Harry (or H&M) are in the UK I’m worried until they get out of it. I guess it’s good he got a police escort, but there’s a lot of danger for Harry in that country that comes from his family and the people that work for them so I’m going to worry anyway.
I hope he gets out of there asap.
Same!
I can’t help it, I’m laughing. He’s so unimportant that the RRs have live video coverage of his motorcade arriving at Heathrow and traveling to London. Like….the desperation!!!
I’ve seen a few of the comments about how this is about William needing help and I wonder if there might a grain of truth there….maybe Charles announced his cancer when he did bc it gives cover for Harry returning to the UK. But if there was something seriously wrong with William, why announce those two events for tomorrow??
Anyway the motorcade makes clear that his visit is with the full blessing of Buckingham Palace and that, oh look, Charles can arrange security for Harry at a moment’s notice without all of british civilization collapsing!
Part of me wonders if William is deliberately not communicating. Commenters talked last week about the possibility that William is barely even in touch with his staff. If his staff is in the dark, then maybe so is BP. Maybe he’s ghosting everyone. Inviting Harry to visit might be a reality check and message to William from Charles. But William must’ve made enough contact for those two upcoming engagements.
I agree with your ghosting theory. He doesn’t want to do this. Period. Will he refuse the throne when Charles dies?
William has been ghosting work for decades. I can absolutely believe he avoids texts and phone calls.
@Becks1 he may do the investiture (Ann is doing one today) but perhaps dip on the gala due to the King’s health? The fact that Willy hasn’t shown his face in the past 24 hours knowing Harry was on his way is not typical. Harry just won the Best Son of a Sick Parent contest–why did Willy not even compete?
RIGHT?? Why was William not photographed traveling to Clarence House yesterday or today to see his father?? Are the kids not making him get well soon cards? What is going on in the Wales family?
At the very least, why hasn’t someone from KP put forth a statement about supporting Charles as he battles cancer? More than enough time has passed for that to have been put together. And yet it hasn’t happened.
@jais exactly. a cute picture of William with his father expressing love and hope for a speedy recovery. What is going on that KP is so just…..weird….that I do think the people speculating that William is just ghosting his staff are probably right.
Charles and The Firm need to have the visit of Harry be completely without incident.
From a PR stand point, I’m certain the security teams, etc. are all in place and they will try to get Harry in/out without any surprises or drama.
The eyes of the media are on this.
Today will be Harry returns.
Wednesday will be William does his duty.
William has 1 event in the AM, 1 in the evening.
Now we will see the real military planning of the days of QE.
It will all be “handled”.
The can not afford to drop the ball or be seen as weak, fighting or anything but
Keep Calm and Carry On.
The media, photo, tabs are going to be thick on the ground. Flashing lights, long range lens, like the rats they are. Imagine the $$ to whoever gets pics of Harry today.
And when William is seen Wed. they will be all over him too.
I hope security puts up lines to keep order, well back from both H & W.
I wonder about the courtiers. This seems like a uncontrolled crisis and I don’t see what benefit there would be to cause any more waves. I’m thinking they’re going to lay low, follow orders and let Charles and Harry handle things. Once things settle down, then they can go back to leaking like a sieve.
A police escort is all well and good except we know the Met police are not trustworthy. In their What’s Up ap they called him a race traitor. They said deeply derogatory things about his wife and children. Not sure a police escort is all that great. It’s publicity for THEM and creates a less than safe environment for Harry.
Harry has always been the star of the show without lifting a finger. So I’m not surprised that they are covering his visit so closely – better than trying to pry William the Workshy out of wherever he’s hiding.
The rota are doing what they always do: use Harry to distract from the Windsor mess. But that will buy them a few days of content at best, because Harry ain’t giving them anything. Then William will either have to be dragged by his ear, kicking and screaming, or the rota may start to turn on him.
KCIII wants to see Harry dn I believe negotiate seeing his American grandchildren in person. It will haunt him until the end of time if he doesn’t meet Lily. We know he met Archie as a baby.
I don’t think Charles is interested in Harry’s children.
Well, he could have seen Lily anytime since she was born, could have flown over to attend her christening, could have attended her birthday party at Frogmore. IDK, but he doesn’t seem haunted at all.
He had multiple opportunities to meet Lilibet Diana, and he refused every time. He happily evicted her and Archie from the one safe and secure place in the UK that they had, where he could’ve easily visited them. Charles does not care about his Sussex grandchildren, and frankly I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t consider them family because they’re not “pure white” like their cousins.
Lilibet came to QE Trooping, remember she had her first birthday there? No Wales children, and I think they made a point of Charles not going. She’s been there, so he’s at least seen her in person.
He’s just a sad, stunted man who has every physical luxury you could want, and has spent his life as the little boy whose mother didn’t hug him when she returned from overseas. He didn’t understand love and he isn’t j happy.
He is not even a little bit interesting in Harry’s kids. I know everyone wants him to be see reason and cannot fathom a father/grandparent acting as he has but his actions speak volumes of how he feels. He does not care about them and will never care about them. He’s made that VERY clear time and time again.
I’m sure he has met Lili.
Lord. They are not going to do anything to Harry. He’s seeing his father. Who btw sucks, but that’s it. This site and the constant projection on how Harry and Meghan feel is so offputting at times.
Harry of course still loves his father. He called the man on his birthday. So did Meghan. Don’t act surprised when Meghan and the kids pop over to see him. You all are so ready to burn down your supposed favs if they don’t do what you want.
Where’s anyone “burning them down”? I must have missed that part. You do realize that H&M WERE threatened in the UK by people whipped up at PH for “tainting the royal blood”? There have been actual convictions.
I dunno…seems like you’re reading opinions on other sites and projecting them onto us. Please point to where anyone here wants to “burn down” H&M for their choices.
Also, his father doesn’t just “suck”. His father has actively put them in danger, tried to sabotage them, and lied about them on a frequent basis. He is dangerous, cruel, and self-serving.
We wouldn’t burn Meghan down if she took the kids to see Charles. Please. But we would light candles for her family’s safety bc we want them to be safe and happy.
I appreciate how you came here to condemn people for projecting onto H and M and then ordered everyone here not to be surprised “when” M and the kids pop over for a visit.
Lol. It’s okay when you do it to fit your narrative, apparently.
Charles, realistically, shouldn’t see any of his grandchildren in person. Zoom is fine.
He’s an elderly man recovering from surgery and entering cancer treatment. Children,as cute and fun as they are, are walking grimy petri dishes. The Sussex kids, the Wales kids, your kids, my kid when he was a kid. Charles has stepped back from public facing duties because of this….immunosuppression.
So yeah I hope none of the kids are trotted out to meet with their grandfather unless he is actually on his death bed where treatment and compromised immune system aren’t as much of a factor, and then it’s the decision of the parents.
I don’t think anyone’s worried that they plan to harm Harry physically, it’s emotional harm we’re worried about. The courtiers for sure will continue to leak nasty stories and try to frame anything Harry does in a negative way.
As for police, I was present at the Sarah Everard memorial and saw police brutality first hand. Of course the Met Police are not going to touch Harry but it’s emotionally damaging to be protected by people who you know quite possibly hold racist and hateful views about your loved ones.
Obviously, I don’t know what is going on, but I want Harry to be treated with the respect he deserves in the UK. If Harry has been planning this trip since last week, he is probably prepared to stay a few days then head straight to Canada for Invictus appearance.
From what I’ve seen the press is focused more on Harry than on William. It’s like he’s the heir. I don’t think he’s going to be in UK for very long.
Harry never got to say goodbye to his beloved mother, so I understand why this is important to him no matter what Charles has put him through. There is more to this as well.. the absence of Will and Kate at this time is unthinkable given how they always demand priority position.
That’s a really good point. That, more than anything, points to how serious whatever is going on with Kate is. If she doesn’t release a photo to pull attention in the next week or so, I’d say she’s definitely not conscious. Whether that is being medicated, or being sequestered for mh treatment, or what, I don’t know.
But them vanishing right at the moment where Billy could be doing his big “future King” cosplay openly is literally unbelievable.
@Jaded he could be prosecuted under the Treason Act of 1351.
A person was guilty of high treason under the Act if they:
-violated the king’s companion, the king’s eldest daughter if she was unmarried OR *the wife of the king’s eldest son and heir* (following the coming into force of the Succession to the Crown Act 2013, this has effect as if the reference were to the eldest son only if he is also the heir).
Per section 2 of the Forfeiture Act of 1870, which is still in force: states that anyone convicted of treason shall be disqualified from holding public office, shall lose his right to vote in elections (except in elections to local authorities), and lose his pension. Not sure how this would impact an heir to the sovereign. Prior to the Act being passed, a person convicted of treason or felony automatically and permanently forfeited all of his lands and possessions to the Crown. Maybe they would have to initiate a new act in parliament.
In short the Brit tabloids will be motivated to protect Will even more now, because if W is convicted of high treason, H will likely be appointed a Regent at some stage of George’s minority and H will make the rota find new careers…
It literally IS wall to wall Harry!! News programmes, newspapers …. everything. There were helicopter/drone shots of him arriving at Heathrow, as well as half the press pack ( the other half are at St James’ Palace). At this point it looks like they’re all convinced it’s only Harry that can save the Monarchy. Meanwhile workshy willy is MIA. Nobody seems to care about him by the way.
It’s so strange! I would have projected that “sources close to William” would have relayed something along the lines of – William vows that Harry will not see our father- or something like that.
Someone mentioned (in this thread, or perhaps another) about the 28-day notice period Harry must give to get Home Office security, and Ive been trying to find out whether this is true or not. As far as I can see, that is not a carved in stone statutory period. Rather it was said in Court last year that during Harry’s Ravec hearing that ” …..There will still be publicly-funded police security for Prince Harry, but these will be “bespoke arrangements, specifically tailored to him”, rather than the automatic security provided for full-time working royals.” I thought the 28 days was either a made up thing by trolls/Derangers, or the media.
cazzie, this is not made up. Harry has to give 28 days notice. He only gave (I think) 19 days at one point and he did not get security.
I am going to pray hourly for Harry to be safe . Mentally, physically and emotionally. Pray he can get back home to his wife and children as soon as possible.
These people need Harry . They know william is an incompetent idiot but their racism and stupidity couldn’t let them behave like humans . So william and Kate is what you got . You created them , now live with them . It’s what you deserve.
I worry for him, walking into this toxic family full or narcissists and flying monkeys. He’s still in the trauma bond with him, despite some much better boundaries. I’m glad he’s in therapy, that Meghan and the kids are staying in the US. I don’t think Charles is a narcissist himself, but he’s a weak and petty man, and he undermines his family and enables William’s rage fits.
I can’t imagine anyone except Harry is going to comport themselves with the appropriate dignity and care during this whole thing. The British Press is a MESS, William and Charles are going to leak, leak, leak, and rage, and Camilla is going to grin and scheme. At least Kate will be quiet instead of sending out stories about being a peacemaker, or, will Harry’s return bring her out of hiding?
I’m in the UK and Sky TV news about Charles and this whole situation is non-stop. It seems similar to the press coverage of Queen Elizabeth’s final hours.
Some surprising and mostly good features include:
The King’s man bits are now leading open discussion about men’s health and also about cancer. There’s no confirmation yet of the type of cancer Charles has but several experts have given positive advice.
The technicalities and legalities of constitutional monarchy have been explained with information about Counsellors of State, the Line of Succession and how Regency works included. Harry’s children have been properly referenced as Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet in the line of succession.
Princess Beatrice and her husband have been filmed making at least two visits to Clarence House this morning. Two Counsellors of State are needed to fulfil any legal function on behalf of the King. There may have been a Privy Council meeting with Camilla standing in for the King and Beatrice attending. Both would also be needed to sign any documents.
It seems significant that William doesn’t appear to have featured in any of the comings and goings.
Harry’s arrival at Heathrow and his journey to Buckingham Palace/Clarence House has been followed (the two are connected by an underground passage) .
AFAIK William has barely featured in the coverage and Kate hasn’t featured at all.
“Kate hasn’t featured at all”
That’s so weird. What the hell did they do with her that they are pretending like she doesn’t exist. Where are the Middletons?
Can you see the Middletons keeping quiet if something horrible had happened to their daughter? Would they, meaning Carole, make a deal with the devil? I’d like to think not, but there are some real assh*le parents out there.
Ooh. Interesting. Especially the part about bringing Beatrice in. If she’s there and Harry is there, there definitely serious discussions happening.
I’m reading 45 minute meeting with Harry and now CRex and Cams are off to Sandringham. Why are they getting out of town? I thought his treatment was in London?
Thanks for the updates! Between Beatrice visiting Clarence House, as well as Harry, I’m inclined to believe Counselor of State and maybe Regency is being discussed. William being MIA is a part of this. His ass should have also been at Clarence House, even it was at a different time than Harry.
Something is up, and I think it’s more about William and Kate than it is about Charles.
Just curious: If William would abdicate – take Himself (and his family) out of succession – wouldn’t it be Harry who would become the direct heir?
@Tara, Will can’t take his children out of succession. Technically, they belong to the crown. He can abdicate, then it will go to George. Since he isn’t of age, he will rule with a guardian, I suppose.
I feel we need a consolidated live post here today to keep up!!! Wouldn’t that be crazy if William is abdicating from afar? AstroAmerica said he might just fly off one day and never return.
I actually saved the link to AstroAmerica so l can have it conveniently at hand whenever I want to read it. It’s really uncanny how these crazy events are starting to prove how this prediction may be correct. It doesn’t make any sense how William has completely disappeared and abdicated his own responsibilities to his crown and country. I really believe BP and KP are dealing with this crisis of how to get Willie to show up and how to deal with an heir who is just no longer interested in his duties and responsibilities. The fact that he hasn’t shown his face once and especially since Harry has arrived on scene is just so telling. This is what has really gotten me riveted to this entire toppling house of cards. He talks about how he can’t trust his brother, well, how can the country trust William as their king? Insane.
Please share astroamerica link? TY x
@Tara You only abdicate if actually king. I doubt PW could remove his children from succession. That would have to be their own decision. There would just be a regent if they weren’t old enough to take the throne at the time.
@Tara – there’s no way William would take himself out of the line of succession, it would require an act of parliament at the behest of the King or a criminal conviction.
@equality Yes, in a hypothetical, William would renounce not abdicate. Then Harry, according to law, would become Regent until George turned 18. William could not abdicate for his children. So there would have to rolling abdications/renouncings by all three children before Harry would ever become king.
Wouldn’t William be the first in line to act as CoS? Where the hell is he? is he in hair and make-up for his appearances on Wednesday?
There is no prescribed hierarchy in the Counsellors of State. In practice Camilla would usually be first in line to deputise for the King . Any Counsellor of State could act alongside her to make the required two. There are currently seven Counsellors of State. Five has always been the official number – the Monarch’s spouse and the next four adults in the line of succession. Three were added recently to compensate for the fact that Harry, Andrew and Beatrice are not officially ‘working royals ‘ and Harry lives outside the UK. However, they have not been removed from the current list. Beatrice lives in London and if there was a need this morning for Camilla to stand in for the King for some official duty then Beatrice could have been the best option to be the second CoS.
It is surprising there has been no sighting of William and from what I’ve seen little reference to him in news coverage. I’ll add to the speculation with my guess that William may be “helping police with their enquiries. ‘
@ellef
Here’s the astro for William not being king and his marriage to Kate.
I just don’t see how this will happen though. Something crazy would have to happen for Harry to be regent and George king .
https://astroamerica.com/newsletters/2011-may10.pdf
Beatrice is desperate for a job…..
That’s pretty cruel. If it were my uncle who was diagnosed with cancer I’d visit him.
@Jaded This is the Royal Family we are talking about.
Emily Andrews tweeting that Beatrice lives at St. James Palace and that’s why she was seen coming and going today.
Honestly so stumped by this. The Case of the Missing Wales is like the new Lord Lucan.
I hope harry goes back to his wife and children soon. He should not stay there a whole week . He and Meghan can travel to invict us together.
Stay safe good king Harry!
William’s absence is just so weird (and it still will be weird even after he finally shows up). And it’s really thrown into sharp relief by Harry’s visit to his father.
As ever, Harry is showing William how things are done.
Where in the heck are the Wails. What is happening. This is so so so weird.
According to the BM, Charles is preparing to leave London for Sandringham?? Wtf, did Harry travel all that way for his father to pick up and leave?
Harry was driven to Clarence House from Heathrow. He arrived around mid-day. Charles and Camilla left Clarence House around 3.30 for a short drive to Buckingham Palace. Their helicopter was seen leaving around 4 pm taking them to Sandringham. The press are referring to a ‘brief meeting’ but nobody really knows. He’s come a long way and I hope he’s being treated decently.
Well, once they got the health inquiries from Harry’s side out of the way, what else would Charles have to say to his son?
Harry has made it abundantly clear where he stands and what he would need to get any semblance of a relationship with Charles, but Charles is unwilling or incapable of it. This is a man who couldn’t comfort his 11 year old son when Diana died – he left him alone in his room. I expect that Harry knows this better than anyone and isn’t looking for blood from a stone. He’s visiting on his own terms to see for himself that his father is well -cared for and then (hopefully) going right back to his busy life, conscience clear.
Charles is never going to be even close to the kind of father that I think (hope) Harry is for his own children.
Now would be a good moment for Charles to take stock of his life, see the error in his ways and sincerely and very publicly apologise to Harry and Meghan for being absolutely the worst father.
My guess is that he’s going to emotionally blackmail Harry instead.
Charles has barely spent time with Harry, less than 45 minutes. Harry did his duty and should move on with his life. Hopefully Harry has realised that nothing is going to change.
I think Harry came for some sort of signature and most probably to get an update of plans for certain scenarios. Things that are too confidential to do it online / should not be out there through phone hacks etc.
Harry doesn’t have fly all the way to the UK for as signature. He came to see his father and all Charles could spare was 45 minutes.
WTF. Seriously. WTF.
Jk: I know Harry loves his father but that love is not reciprocated. The least Charles could have done was spend more than 45 minutes with son who flew all the way from California to see him. Harry should feel no guilt about going to Vancouver next week.
AMY BEE, I know we aren’t supposed to wish ill on others. So many people here have wished Charles a speedy recovery despite him being an utterly vile person but I have absolutely nothing nice to say. I just can’t. He’s abhorrent and despicable.
My heart breaks for Harry. I hope those 45 mins was enough for him and that he gets back home ASAP.
Wow….just….wow. I’m sure the PM and the courtiers get longer meetings with Charles than he can spare for his son. Harry has certainly proven himself to be a better son than Charles has as a father.
Jk: I know we should have expected this but it pisses me off that Harry was made to travel all that way for a brief meeting.
I disagree. If Harry had to sign some papers, he absolutely would have to be there physically. It probably had to get notarized too. They would not FedEx important government documents.
@snuffles: Look the notion that Harry flew all the way to London sign some papers is fantastical and an attempt to absolve Charles of his cruelty and pettiness. Harry has no role in the royal family so what papers would he have to sign? Th Royal Family can send mail to Harry via the British Consulate in LA or send an aide to California.
@amybee
I don’t pretend to know the ins and outs of how they run things. But, Harry is still in the line of succession, still has his HRH and titles and is still on the Counselor of State list, even if he was bumped down to the bottom of it.
He has not completely cut off his connection to the monarchy. It may be hanging on a thread, but the thread is still there. With King Charles partially incapacitated, Willy MIA and Kate being Schroedinger’s Princess, stuff is obviously in disarray. So, I would assume important business needed to be tended to that required Harry’s physical presence.
@snuffles: Harry’s a CoS in name only and he’s not a working royal. He has no role in the family and he’s not going to be called upon to take up duties. He was in the UK as a son visiting his father but father had very little time for him. If he has any business in the UK it has to do with his charities not anything to with the Royal family.
Snuffles’ theory is not fantastical, actually. Many people have suggested Harry traveled there for more than just a health update. Beatrice didn’t go to Clarence House twice this morning to chat with Uncle Charles.
But the bottom line is – this is a highly dysfunctional and abnormal family. Given that, 45 minutes seems like a long meeting for this family. They are not normal, and Harry has never had the relationship with his father that many of us may have with our own fathers.
did people think he and Charles were going to spend hours together looking at Charles’ paintings while reminiscing about the good old days?
Agreed, Becks.
Snuffles, “Schroedinger’s Princess” is the perfect description.
This is all incredibly bizarre, the part about Beatrice visiting twice today makes it obvious something is seriously wrong.
@Becks: I would’ve thought that Charles would want to resolve some issues with Harry and that would take more than 45 minutes. But hopefully Harry has finally accepted that his father is not redeemable and that there’s no chance of having any kind of normal relationship with his father. Hopefully, Harry’s on a plane back to California tonight.
Lol, I didn’t think they’d be looking at paintings! Although, you know Charles showing of his latest portrait kind of fits. But I did think the meeting would be longer than what it was!!! But yeah, it’s the Windsors. Either way, so much weirdness is afoot.
@AmyBee I do think he’s accepted that, but I think he’s also going to do his own thing on his own terms so he knows he doesn’t have any regrets. I think that was partly what the coronation was about, and what this was about. He doesnt want to change Charles (I mean he might “want” to but knows he can’t), but he’s just trying to do what’s right for him.
We were estranged from my dad’s father (his whole family really) and when he was about to die, we went to see him just to say goodbye and have a sense of closure. I think it was important for my dad to have that. But it wasn’t about reconciliation and I still dont talk to my cousins or anything on that side – but that wasn’t the point of the visit.
Charles isn’t dying from what we know but I think Harry still just wants to have his own sense of closure, or at least peace, with him.
That is the way the RF behave. Everything is regimented.This is a family where children have to make appointments through third parties to speak on the phone or to see their parents. Diana could not cope with the way they behaved as a family. Harry is a very different sensitive kind of person and he is craving for his father’s love but he will be disappointed with 45 minutes but not surprised. This family need to move out of the 19th century.
My immediate assumption was that Harry would be headed to Sandringham tomorrow after resting / getting settled ? Is that too normal of a guess for the royals?
Either the KP team is beyond incompetent or something really bad has happened…
Do we know if Harry is still in England? Any sightings of him at Heathrow? Because if he’s not further visiting his father at Sandringham, I’d think he’d be on the first flight out since I’m sure his father would spare him as little time up there as he did in London.
Unless this is a “to be continued” meeting at Sandringham.
Snuffles, I so appreciate your “Schrödinger’s Princess.”
I don’t think anything odd is happening with Harry visiting his father. Harry has made it known that he loves his father and I think that his father loves him probably the only way he knows how to and Harry understands that. It’s a different kind of love but it’s what he’s got and he accepts that. Charles may have been absolutely lacking in the father department for a long time but I also think that a cancer diagnosis, no matter how good the prognosis, can bring some perspective for the person going through it. He may never be the father that he should be but at the same time, it may have opened him up enough to actually feel like a father who wants to see his son. Like maybe this has done something to allow him to separate duty/role of the monarch from family. Maybe right now he wants the comfort of family and I have no doubt that he has a much different relationship with Harry than with William. Harry’s relationship with his father is based on love and Charles probably knows that. William’s relationship with his father is based on business and duty and Charles is probably aware of that too. William’s absence thus far is odd but at the same time he’s going through health issues with his own family and the stress of that may just be overwhelming and he knows that Charles is being taken care of. I find most of the royals to be vile but at the same time, I’m willing to give them all a bit of grace because they are definitely going through it right now.
But Charles only saw him for 45 minutes. He made Harry come all the way to UK for a conversation that could have taken place on the phone. Charles is off to Sandringham.
I’m assuming that there are just some things that can’t be handled via the phone.
And, while 45 minutes sounds paltry, the fact that Charles carved out time for Harry and gave him security for this visit seems significant to me.
This is not a normal family. If he actually sat and met with Charles for 45 mins thats the longest he has seen him since 2020 most likely. Lets just hope Harry has time to catch that last flight out of Heathrow and can sleep in his own bed tonight. Also now he can go to Vancouver next week. He did his duty and saw his father (before his own brother who lives in the UK) and now he can get back to work.
@snuffles: You give Charles a lot of grace. Given the brevity of the visit, I think this was just a ploy to get Harry away from Meghan.
Maybe Harry didn’t want to have the conversation about his father’s health and cancer treatment over the phone?
Harry is not the same man he was 5, 10 years ago. If he didn’t want to travel to the UK for a conversation that could have been a phone call (which none of us know that btw), he wouldn’t have.
@AmyBee I know you loathe charles (many of us on here are not his biggest fans) but I doubt this was all just a ploy to separate Harry from his wife for 24 hours.
Harry clearly arranged this visit with his father, based on the security convoy and Harry going directly to Clarence House.
@Becks: Perhaps Harry knew he was going to waste his time and money going to the UK but he did it anyway so he wouldn’t have any regrets. These people are not normal people and I guess we should stop expecting to act like considerate human beings. I just think making your son come all the way from the US for a very brief meeting is cruel and he has no respect for Harry’s family.
@AmyBee exactly. Harry knew it would be a waste of time and money but it was still important for him to go. Charles is never going to be the warm loving father Harry wanted him to be and I think now he accepts that.
All that said….we are having this back and forth assuming Harry came to the UK to meet with Charles about his cancer and nothing else. If there is something else going on, it might explain a lot of this weirdness. Harry’s visit wasn’t about seeing his sick father, it was something else.
Something tells me that 45 minutes with Charles probably feels as long as an 11 hour plane ride.
Thank you for your comment Tina. I really don’t get that folks are so hung up on the 45 minutes. What difference does it make– you can have a very loving, substantive meeting in 45 minutes, and you could have a bar brawl over a couple of hours. It seems to me that it’s William’s camp pushing this info out there. The important thing is that Harry showed his grace by flying over to see his ailing father. Not that he needed it, but this is very good PR for Harry. Moreover, as Tina reminds us, this is Charles the emotional stoic. Do any of you clutching your pearls over 45 minutes know whether Charles have ever spend more time than that with his own mother? Remember, Charles is the guy who went mushroom hunting as his dear mama laid dying at Balmoral. He is also the chivalrous guy who invited friends on his honey moon with Diana and spent half the time reading. The same guy deposited Di at home, after she give birth to Harry, and immediately took off for polo. With Charles, 15 minutes short of an hour could be a huge improvement.
It seems to be a pattern that Charles always leaves town when Harry arrives. This time he is scuppering off to Sandringham? Is Sandringham going to be his Balmoral? At least this time Harry seems to have been given protection, so perhaps some official duty Harry came to perform.
Harry’s not a working royal. His duty in the UK was to see his father which he did.
It really is his pattern when Harry comes to London. Every time. So now Charles is off to Norfolk. Maybe to see William who’s bunkered up at Anmer until he helicopters in for tomorrow’s investitures. If William ever takes a train, it’ll be for pr only.
Why does everyone think Harry wanted to any longer.
Because he wouldn’t leave his family and take a 12 hour flight for a meeting that could have been done over zoom.
I absolutely disagree with you Amy. Harry knows his father, you of course don’t. You have no way of knowing what Harry did or didn’t expect. You are actually surprised that a guy who’s idea of comforting a 12-year-old whose mother had just died in a horrible accident is to touch his knee and leave, would spend 45 minutes with Harry now?
After Harry flying all that way he had the briefest of meetings with Charles. The Charles and Camilla took the helicopter to Sandringham. I don’t think Charles even gave his son half Ann hour. It’s looks as though Harry wasted his time.
WTF is Harry supposed to do now? Find alternative transportation to Sandringham? Twiddle his thumbs in London waiting for further snubs? Turn around and go back home? Thanks, Pa.
Weird right? I mean it seemed we know Charles has no trouble telling Harry not to come, so why let him make the long flight and then leave? He might not have even met with Harry. This seems like an unforced error, Charles had a huge amount of sympathy the last 24 hours, he probably lost quite a bit with this stunt.
Y’all, I just looked at some of the live updates on the BBC app. They had photo of Harry arriving at Clarence House at 732 (PM?) and Charles & Camilla leaving Clarence House at 749. That’s 17 minutes!! Seventeen minutes!! Seventeen minutes was all the king, recently diagnosed with cancer, could give to his son who just traveled across a continent & then an ocean to see him. 😳
Wow. I guess Harry can catch the next flight home and be back by dinner.
Dog sh—t father to the end. He will never change. Harry has always deserved so much better. Thank goodness he has a beautiful loving wife and children and mother in law. The Windsors cruelty knows no limits.
You said it!
That may be the time stamp of when the BBC posted the photos, rather than the actual time the event occurred.
No, that timing doesnt add up. the press had pictures of his convoy around 130, so even factoring in travel time from heathrow to london, unless he went somewhere else to hang out for hours, that timeline isnt accurate.
It’s ok. However much time Harry spent with Charles, it was the right thing to do. Now let’s see what William does.
Absolutely this. My husband’s father was a manipulative jerk but in the last months of his life, despite the fact that his manipulative toolishness only got worse with age, my husband made a point of travelling to see him regularly. He didn’t do it for him, he did it for himself. When his dad died he had nothing to reproach himself for and I think this is where Harry is too. He loves his father, warts and all, and he visited him because HE needed to see him whether Charles gave a damn or not.
Y’all, BBC was reporting live, so they posted Harry’s convoy leaving the airport, etc. I don’t know what to tell you
Omg, if it was really 17 min. I’m sorry but this is making me want to laugh. These people. Wish everyone healthy recoveries all around fr but this is getting weird as hell. Actually, correction, this whole thing has already been weird as hell.
Nothing will happen to H, M or the kids. They are not in physical danger from his family.
Harry will never be King.
Harry is 5th in line.
C & W and all their staff have their hands full trying to keep their jobs.
H&M are hugely popular on tabs sites and W&C would be seriously torn apart publicly with conspiracy theories for decades if any injury came to anyone on team Harry.
Harry flew in to see his Father in person. That is all it is.
The next 3-4 months we are going to be swamped with various stories of King Charles recovery treatment. Kate too, but less, until she shows her face. William will do as few “jobs” are he can get away with. Like always.
There is nothing wrong with William, he just has no work ethic. Every chance to do nothing, always.
I hope all the under 18 y/o are kept out of all of it.
Speedy recovery to KC, Kate, Fergie.
I do not snark about illness. Bad Karma.
This is the most sensible read of the situation. It would be exciting if all the tin foil theories were true, but I fear that the RF are a boring bunch – even their malice is boring. And you’re probably right about the next several months. William will do the bare minimum, there’ll be some grumbling by the press and then nothing will come of it.
In any case, I don’t think Harry wasted his time – he wanted to see his father. And considering his history with Charles and royal timetables, I can’t imagine he expected to spend a lot of sentimental time with him or to be brought back into the royal fold. Now he can go back to the US having done his fillial duty.
I agree with most of your assessment but I think the William thing is much more dark. I think seeing Kate incapacitated has triggered his trauma. I think that’s why we have heard different timelines for him. I don’t think he’s handling Kate’s illness well. I think he saw Kate once and even that was too much. Harry is the only person on the planet who could possibly relate to him but I don’t think a meeting between W & H will happen on this trip. Harry coming to see his dad is probably Harry also signaling that he’s there for William if he needs him. I do think William is lazy and not cut out to be king but I think his lack of work currently has a mental component.
It’s crazy Harry had to fly half way across the world for a 45 minute meeting with his father after everything that has happened over the past 4 years. This could have been a phone call unless Charles has less than a year to live.
Anybody else remember the episode of The Crown where Charles visits the Duke of Windsor, and the Duchess tells him to watch out for his family? Charles says ‘Oh, they mean well’ and the duchess looks him in the eye and quietly says ‘no, they don’t’. That didn’t actually happen, but it seems apropos.
I normally don’t follow Royalbitchy stuff too much but I gotta say this is just bonkers. So much crisis no control. Why on earth has Wills not set up at least a super short press conference to comment on his wife’s health (no matter how vague) and at least say he’s been in touch with his father? KP is spiraling out of control.
Well, you’re asking all the right questions. At the very least, why hasn’t KP sent out a statement of support from William to his father? They are spiraling in dysfunction.
Family or not, if I fly more than twelve hours to see someone and then they have tea with me for 45 minutes and are off to elsewhere, I would be seriously seriously pissed off. I hope either Harry was on that helicopter and they are spending quality time in Sandringham together or that Harry just cuts his losses and does not come back. The disrespect and the cheek if Charles really left after 45 minutes, unbelievable
💯.
King Charles was brought up in a very regimented way and he will not change his plans. This is a family where children have to make appointments through third parties to speak on the phone or to see their parents. Diana could not cope with the way they behaved as a family. Harry is a very different kind of person and he is craving for his father’s love.
Update on DM: King Charles leaves Clarence house after “brief meeting with Harry”
C & C shown smiling and waving in back of limo.
11:45 CT in my area.
So fine. Good for them.
I hope Harry is on his way back to the airport, sleep on the plane back home to Cali.
Flew across the world for what could’ve been a Zoom call.
That’s what I’ve been saying. Other people want to fantasize that Harry had to be sign some papers but we should have known Charles would have done something like this given what happened after the Queen died.
Where is William?
Where is Kate?
Why is the press just ignoring their absence?
Why were Beatrice & husband at CH twice today?
Maybe Harry was on the helicopter too or has grey men meetings at CH/BP and goes to Sandringham later?
Something big is going on and I just highly doubt Harry flew all the way there for 45 minutes or less, even if he knew about it and arranged the visit last week.
This gets crazier by the minute and the speculation is off the charts-something I think Harry would want no part in if it were not a huge issue or problem.
Exactly all of this, and how do we know that Harry didnt join them to Sandringham? Maybe for them all to meet up William who may be at Anmer?
And whats with Beatrice indeed?
Curious to see if William shows up tomorrow.
This is a crisis visit. 1) The King has cancer. 2) The Princess of Wales is out of commission for the next 3-5 months with some mysterious ailment. 3) William is hiding out twisting in the wind somewhere. 4) The Midds are nowhere to be seen or heard from, including the mouthpiece Uncle Gary who, under normal circumstances, would be all over this like a puppy on a porkchop. 5) The tabloids have been put on leashes that will be yanked hard if they even hint at what’s going on.
I believe Harry’s visit with Pa was to inform him of the predicament the Wales are in, whatever it may be, and it’s serious. William is not remotely capable of taking on the exigencies of being monarch under the best of circumstances, let alone while his father is undergoing cancer treatment. A 45 minute meeting at Clarence House wasn’t just to say “how are you doing Pa”? They covered a lot of ground in that meeting, most of it likely to do with the Wandering Wales.
Even if any of what you said is true, this could have done over Zoom. William has two engagements tomorrow so he’s not incapacitated.
The truth is, many many things can be zoom calls, and people still like to do them in person if they can.
I don’t think Charles does Zoom. Or texting or really even calls. I think he does letters and in-person. But yah I agree he’s useless and I hope Harry is on his way home. Looking forward to seeing Harry and Meghan here in Canada next week. Let the stale and pale on Salty Island figure out their own problems.
So are you telling that Charles did not absolutely no Zoom calls during Covid?
This is far more serious a subject to do over Zoom. His father has cancer. The family is falling apart. Kate and William are nowhere to be seen for reasons that are being obfuscated. Also, Zoom calls can be hacked into and for security reasons I think this meeting had to be done in person. Maybe Charles zoomed during covid but not about subjects this serious. Some BIG things are being hidden that Harry had to be apprised of in a tightly secure location.
@Jaded: Charles had no qualms about calling Harry on the phone so by your logic the same security concerns would exist.
@Amy Bee — I’m not saying that phone calls can’t be hacked, I’m saying that the subject matter was so serious that only an in-person, one-on-one meeting would happen. Listen, something extremely serious is going on and the media has gone silent. William is MIA, nobody knows what’s really wrong with Kate, the Midds aren’t talking and Charles has cancer. Given the gravity of the situation Harry did the right thing by flying over to meet with him in absolute privacy.
The more I think about this, the more I realise there is not royal family without Harry. Should’ve figured it out earlier
I think that Charles is very close to death, that his cancer is non-curable due to the late stage. Of course they will try, but my guess is…get your affairs in order. Who knows WTF is really happening with the Wales, and frankly…no one seems to care. This visit is about re-instating Harry, possibly finagling him as the heir since he is the only one anyone actually cares about, and working out a deal for the rest of them. Anne is old, Andrew is corrupt, Edward is old, and Prince Pegging is CLEARLY absolutely unable to perform even the minimum requirements for being POW, much less the king. We just might get Good King Harry after all!!
Why would you wish that on Harry? Seriously.
@sevenblue
My thought exactly. Even if Harry could be persuaded to condemn himself to such a sentence, he would never do that to Meghan, Archie, and Lili, and he would never abandon them. He left because his mental health and the mental health and safety of his own family is his priority.
In reality, there are four people ahead of Harry in line.
IF PW is out, it is on to King George. He would just have a regent until of age.
If it were late stage cancer would he be able to walk out of the hospital unaided?? Get a grip…and there is no way Harry would be “reinstated” to anything because he was never “uninstated” and is and always will be in the line of succession unless there’s an act of parliament to remove him, and that would open a huge can of worms for other royals like Andrew, etc.
Really, some of these comments are utterly silly and unhinged.
My father walked from the car to the living room, where we had a hospital bed set up for him. He came home on Hospice after declining treatment for gastroesophageal cancer with wide metastasis. He died a few days later.
Now do I think Charles has the fortitude to that? Not really lol
Also for Harry’s visit, let me bring up my father again. He and his eldest brother were estranged for decades….so long that I never actually met the man. When word passed to him 15 years ago that his brother was dying, Dad went and met with him (a lot of fire had gone out of my uncle by then so Dad was able to get through). No water was ushered under any bridge and no death bed reconcilliation was made. But Dad had closure for himself and that was important. Not saying that’s why Harry met with his father but don’t discount that
Hmm. I’m growing more convinced that something dire has happened to Kate. My first suspicion is that William did something to her and that’s why he’s stayed out of sight. On the other hand, if she’s dead/dying from something completely unrelated to him, he still might have had a breakdown. I don’t think he likes her and he has very limited empathy, but I do think he loves his kids as much as he’s able. If he never got any help for the trauma of his own mother’s death, then a simultaneous health crisis for K and C might have triggered a collapse.
Who knows what William is capable of? Maybe he got violent with his father or Camilla? Maybe Kate was in the middle of it. He’s incandescent with rage so much of the time, as the press has told us.
I find it interesting that William has not been seen with this father, especially in light of recent news.
I’m starting to think that Will is either hiding or under house arrest or in the middle of some very serious, super secretive negotiations with the Middletons.
Under house arrest? 🤔
If I didn’t know it was real life. All these royal events reminds you of a dark Shakespeare play.
Something weird went through my mind., what if Bully Boy does not want to be king anymore? and Charles is or might be withdrawing from royal life and asked Harry to prepare himself to be king until his eldest nephew is ready. OMG! poor Harry. Scary thought.!☹ We sometimes make plans and the universe changes the course.
I just don’t see that happening TBH. The Crown would go to George (with Harry as Regent) Charlotte, Louis then Harry (Harry would also serve as Regent for Charlotte and Louis too) but it doesn’t pass from one son to another
@Hannah, I don’t think the firm would let Harry anywhere near George, not that Harry wants it. They would make someone who is already residing in UK as George’s Regent.
Anne is the best and most obvious choice for regent, as she is the one with the work ethic. Bonus points for her husband and his ability to explain military matters to George.
Couldn’t Beatrice be a regent if it were necessary?
She’s way too far down the succession list.
Harry could easily refuse to be regent. They can’t take him hostage and force him to do it (much as they might like to hehehe).
It should be someone who lives in the UK. Beatrice/Anne/Edward. All good choices.
Even if William didn’t really want the crown (and honestly, I don’t think he really does), he would never let it go to Harry as regent. Is that how it even works though or could a regent be picked for George other than Harry?
Hi Kaiser, the news on TV here says Harry arrived at CH at 10:32 and (King and Queen) left by helicopter at 10:49. So I don’t think he even gave his son more than 15 minutes 💔 Obvs, I cannot verify this, just passing on what is being reported
Reporters all are tweeting it was 45 min. Why are there two different info out there since the reporters are watching everything?
Because 17 minutes makes him look like an even bigger ass. It really is pretty disgusting if this was all arranged and Harry came over all that way just to have the two of them turn around and leave after about 15 minutes (17 – 1 minute each for Harry’s arrival into Clarence House and Chuck and Cam’s departure) for Sandringham.
I think Charles car left 45 minutes after Harry arrived. No telling how long they actually met. No word of Harry’s car leaving? I am paying way too close attention.
No idea how long they actually met but royal reporters lying and saying it was 45m when it was way less than that in order to make the king seem like less of a shitty father is totally something they would do. I really hope for Harry’s sake it was longer than 17m, omg. But just throwing this out there, we don’t know yet if Harry is going straight home. It could be he had some things to do in London and he’s going to make his way to Sandringham. Not saying that’s gonna happen but we just just don’t know yet.
Maybe it’s a good sign that Charles demanded something and PH said a firm “no” and KC threw down his pen and left.
@equality: That could be logical explanation.
LMAO, @equality, at KC throwing his pen down. You win the internet for me today.
And heaven help me, I have an image of that ink splattering all over him.
Well, we all know that stepping down wasn’t Harry’s choice, but I agree about the rest. The palace is teeming with royals and royal adjacents and lord high this and ladies-in-waiting that. They’d all love to get a paycheck for giving out prizes at Little Snoring Day School.
This is why people who don’t know anything should not take sides. Someone gets sick, everyone will unite.
Give it a few months after the person dies and it will all fall apart, but not now.
Kate who seems to be missing along with PW? Seriously with the children, especially Louis who is barely school age? Tim has had plenty of time if he wanted to step up more besides just rolling along with Anne some. Louise is in school and James seems to be the introvert the BM wants to claim Kate is. Bea and Eugenie have jobs and lives outside the royal compound. Zara, Mike and Peter have all been merching all kinds of things and wouldn’t likely give that up to be full time “workers”. Why do they need so many anyway? All the other monarchies are actually slimming down and getting by.
It’s funny how people want to abuse the Sussexes into silence and when Harry & Meghan try to speak their truth the same people call them annoying crybabies hypocrites. Are you sure you are on the right site?
Does anyone have info if Harry has left the UK. Has the news over there reported on this?
Susan Collins, I just saw a Telagraph article that gave timelines that said Harry arrived at CH at 3:21 and C&C left approximately at half past three. It stated Harry left to go to BP. That’s it. I find it really interesting that the bm are putting it out there that there was a 45 minute meeting, when that doesn’t fit the timeline. Who knows what’s going on. I guess we’ll wait for photos of Harry leaving LAX.
Thank you Saucy&Sassy! It’s interesting that they state he left for BP because that is where Chuckles and Camz left by helicopter from. I have read that there is a tunnel that connects Clarence House to BP whether that’s true I don’t know. I hope he is safe and ok.
Yesterday when it was reported that Charles had cancer and Harry was on his way to see him, it moved me to tears. Having lost a parent to cancer, I completely understood why he would rush to see his Dad. I thought to myself, “despite everything, he still loves his father”. I know it’s silly, me crying over these people I will never know. But because I grew up with Princess Diana (my mom loved her so), for myself, I kind of feel like they’re our royal family too. But 45 mins??? I mean, Charles couldn’t possibly tell his son to stay….how many freakin’ homes does he have? He is your SON; he is your BLOOD. I will never understand these people. He can’t clear his schedule? I just…can’t.
I am not going to make a judgement on the 45 minutes until I hear more. Something is a foot. Did Harry leave yet? Weird……
I agree with you @ Chantale, 💯
I think there has been a long held desire for a Hollywood moment since Jan 2020, even with all the web of deception, palace briefings and nasty media headlines, there is still a tiny flicker of hope in the “audience” for a healing But real life, especially when real life involves a family that is also a thousand year old institution, doesn’t move at a Hollywood pace. In Harry & Meghan Netflix documentary, Meghan spoke of this re: Queen cancelling the meeting because the institution required a different approach than the grand mother approach. Bottom line the emotional investment from the “audience” is yearning for the Hollywood plot shift of healing, but real life move at a different pace and as you rightly said, we should hold off on judging until more is known or even if we never know, it’s really between family.
Today’s meeting could have been part 100 of conversations that started with calls and zooms etc or it could be step 5 or step 1. Who knows.
The need for that big moment is what drives the tabloid to be how they are, they know we want to know more and the palace , rightly, shares very little, ( unless it’s the disgusting palace sources) so the tabloids fill in the gaps until more official news is released, creating the toxic environment.
We should see this as a French or German film 😀 , micro shifts 😃 or Claire Foy’s face from S1-2 of The Crown, it was the subtle hints in her face that signaled the biggest things 😀
On another note,
CBS is doing very good reporting on this – very balanced, they are no longer exclusively using that KP lady from the Times, their UK reporters & commentators have been from across a wide breath – foreign correspondents to former communications secretary to then PC. It makes the reporting more three-dimensional and not just one person’s assumption. They are also respectful to the in studio team, as opposed to that Times lady who would angrily snapped if any of her assertions were journalistically questioned. Their approach is to understand instead of maligning anyone.
It can’t be judged on these few facts.
It’s possible that Harry will be joining Charles in Norfolk, a lot of things are possible.
Reports of Princess Beatrice visiting Clarence House twice yesterday, if correct that could indicate she was witnessing signatures or at least there in some semi-official capacity? There’s no way Charles would have let Harry travel all that way only to leave shortly after, also it’s likely that they’re both in touch by Zoom and timelines were discussed even before Harry left CA.
So, whatever went on sounds like it was a very necessary meeting.
I concur!
Until we know, we know nothing or if we will know something, it will be 40% of the truth. After all, we are talking about a really secret society.
Harry hopefully is on his way home.
William. Where is he? Why is no one in the media even asking about him? The absence of commentary raises even more questions. Something is rotten in the house of Windsor.
This is so fucking weird, I’m with you, lanne. The British media whipped themselves into a frenzy where they were livestreaming Harry’s car leaving the airport, and it’s all apparently, “Ahhhh, the Prince of Wales…Off tending to his wife and his children….”
Is there anyone on the planet who thinks he is doing any of that? This is his moment to be the GLOBAL STATESMAN, and *crickets*.
I happen to be in London and the City was abuzz with Harry’s arrival. The media was out in full force around Buckingham Palace and the Royal Standard was flying above Claridge House earlier today, meaning King Charles was in residence. I was told by a former Royal protection officer that Harry would have government-paid security since the visit was considered to be official royal business.
Hmmm, official? One weird thing I’ve noticed in the photos showing Harry going into Clarence House and Charles and Camilla leaving for Sandringham is that they all seem to be wearing black. I thought that was only for the Royals in the event of a death? I won’t even try to come up with a tin foil tiara theory on that one!
This thread is like a fever dream!!
William is getting slammed for being lazy in the dm comments.
Only the most ardent Harry haters are trying to put a positive spin on William not only being out of the public eye this long but not speaking out in anyway. I mean he’s the heir, he should be taking on a “comfort the public” role right now. Not saying the public actually needs comforting BTW just that this is one of the things he should be doing. Instead have we heard word one from him about Charles’s health issues?
Now Charles needs to step into grandfather mode and invite Lilli and Archie and Meghan for Easter. And if William objects stuff him.
1 Too late
2 If Charles is having chemo therapy he won’t be advised to be around children
3 Not sure if William will be around then