Mail: Queen Camilla never leaked the ‘Meghan made Kate cry’ story!

Over the weekend, the documentary Queen Camilla: The Wicked Stepmother aired in the UK. I have no idea if it was billed as any kind of thorough exploration of Camilla’s decades of manipulation and melodramas, but it apparently didn’t deliver much beyond some lukewarm tea and a history lesson. The part which most people focused on were the very credible claims that Charles’s then-PR-guru Mark Bolland, who was hand-picked by Camilla, regularly fed Prince Harry and William to the tabloids as a way to make Charles and Camilla look better by comparison. Did the documentary also explore Camilla’s longtime friendships within the media, including her dear friends Piers Morgan and Jeremy Clarkson? I don’t know. Well, all of this is now part of a weird new piece at A.N. Wilson at the Daily Mail. Wilson was tasked with defending Camilla’s horsey honor and Wilson argues that Camilla never, ever was part of a briefing campaign against the Duchess of Sussex. Huh. Some highlights:

Camilla doesn’t deserve this documentary: Now Channel 4 has a new documentary, Queen Camilla: The Wicked Stepmother? – a title that surely would not have existed without the Duke of Sussex’s paranoid accusations. Predictably, it airs his grievances about the Queen and, in a synopsis, poses the questions: ‘How did Camilla Parker Bowles ascend from most hated woman in Britain to Queen Camilla, national treasure? And was her transformation at Prince Harry’s expense?’ Poor Camilla, is what I say. She doesn’t deserve this kind of treatment.

The “Kate made Meghan cry” story: The programme presents itself as fair, and the ‘talking-head’ journalists in it were, on the whole, either on Camilla’s side or, at the very least, anxious to point out that there was not a scintilla of evidence to substantiate the view that she had been briefing the Press against his wife. Much was made of a pre-wedding squabble between the two sisters-in-law, Kate and Meghan, which supposedly ended with Meghan in tears. In the Sussex’s version of events, there was no possibility of this story becoming public, had not either Kate or the Wicked Stepmother’s aides leaked it to the Press. But as all the journalists in the programme pointed out, there were plenty of people who would have either witnessed the row between the two women, or who could have listened at the doors.

Camilla never would have leaked that particular story: The Royal Households are full of people, including large numbers of staff, and the institution of royal courts is leaky. No one has ever presented a shred of evidence that, after Kate and Meghan had a row, Camilla’s side immediately leaked the story. It would have been very surprising if she had done so….Yet taking up Harry’s cause, the programme commentary went on seamlessly to say that ‘the negative press against Meghan continued’. The unstated but unmistakable message suggested that Camilla had in fact briefed against Meghan.

Camilla the royal racist?? They showed the clip, yet again, of Prince Harry saying that his family failed to protect him and his wife from Press intrusion. A voice-over reminded us that there had been accusations against the Royal Family of racism, and this voice-over would not have been included in the programme if it did not want you to think that one of the ‘racists’ concerned had been Camilla. Again, there is simply no evidence for this.

Camilla is so hard-working!! The programme tried insidiously to suggest that there is still such bad blood between Harry and Camilla that the Royal Family’s reputation is irreparably marred. It gave almost no space to Camilla’s hard work, especially during the King’s illness and cancer treatment, during which she wore herself out doing public duties. The truth is Camilla is the best thing that has happened to the Royal Family since the Queen Mother.

Wilson’s thoughts on Diana: Diana was a wonderful person – but she was, as she said herself, a Queen of Hearts, a one-off superstar and not a natural royal consort. She had genuine empathy, and knew how to charm the public. It is perfectly understandable that we all cherish her memory. She did immense good and she was rightly loved. Of course, Harry remains traumatised by the horrible way in which she died. So is Prince William, and that tragedy will scar the Royal Family for the next generation. But Diana was not cut out to be the kind of wife that Charles desperately needed – one who loved him unreservedly; who had enough humour and maturity to laugh him out of his self-pity and touchiness; and one who was not trying to steal his thunder. Diana was herself a vulnerable, paranoid person who came from a broken home. She lacked some of Camilla’s solid qualities of common sense and humour.

Camilla rebuilt Charles’s self-confidence! When Prince Charles’s marriage to Diana was breaking up, Camilla was described as the most hated woman in Britain. Twenty-five years have passed since then and even the most fervent Diana fans can now see she has helped rebuild not only Charles’s self-confidence but also the plausibility of the monarchy. It is Harry, not her, who today is the despised outcast. Whatever Channel 4 may wish us to believe.

[From The Daily Mail]

People: Camilla was one part of a widespread attack on Meghan
AN Wilson: How dare you suggest that Camilla briefed the press about Kate making Meghan cry and reversing the victim and aggressor! Staffers did that!

So, yeah, this is a really weird defense of Camilla. Personally, I don’t believe that Camilla was part of the whole “Meghan made Kate cry” storyline – Camilla wasn’t there and it’s always been pretty clear that this was a special lie created by Kate and the Middletons, who were running their own little comms office out of Middleton Manor. But beyond that, Camilla absolutely was part of the widespread press attacks on both Harry and Meghan. It had been one of her special projects for years, to drive a wedge between Harry and William, and when Harry and Meghan got together, she absolutely stoked William and Kate’s jealousy and paranoia. Camilla got everything she wanted.

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112 Responses to “Mail: Queen Camilla never leaked the ‘Meghan made Kate cry’ story!”

  1. Tessa says:

    Trashing Diana again. Diana wanted a loving husband. I don’t think Charles knows what love means . Camilla was married to someone else and Charles named her and broke up the marriage. And none of the senior royals are national treasures. And Kate and Carole imo were responsible for the crying story which they never corrected. Diana also was too good for Charles who was and is way too self centered

    • Josephine says:

      Charles is essentially a spoiled child, and apparently Diana was supposed to raised him, support his tantrums, and continue to cater to his every need so that he could remain a child. What a sick group these royals are, and the “media” is just as bad.

      • Yes Chuckles was for sure looking for another mommy and not a wife and he found her in Horsilla. I call bullshit on her not leaking about Meg. Just look who she is in bed with for the gutter press.

      • HuffnPuff says:

        💯 to everyone saying Charles wanted a mommy and not a wife. Diana was trying to do what everyone was telling her and trying to make everyone happy at her own expense. She wasn’t paranoid, she was traumatized.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        Camilla does bear a remarkable resemblance to Charles’ nanny. Make of that what you will.

      • eos says:

        “.. she (Camilla) has helped rebuild not only Charles’s self-confidence but also the plausibility of the monarchy.”
        “The truth is Camilla is the best thing that has happened to the Royal Family since the Queen Mother.”
        LOL…
        This whole article’s source has Camilla written all over it. There is a dig at Diana, labels Harry as “paranoid”, insults and depicts Charles as a weakling who was rebuilt by her and demotes Kate from her position as the “savior of the Monarchy” and bestows the title to Camilla!
        If we add to this the recent articles on the tense “power struggle” between Charles and Willie, me thinks Camilla has successfully reached her scorched-earth stance re Diana’s boys. Tho’ she has manipulated her way up to “queen”, she can’t openly “rule” Britannia but given Charles continued health struggles, she may now be testing the water for her next step; becoming, in effect, the “shadow king”.
        Harry was so on point about the side-chick.

    • Nlopez says:

      I agree 100% with you Tessa! I also think Diana would have been a better queen than Cam or Kate.

  2. ML says:

    Reader, I chortled:

    “The truth is Camilla is the best thing that has happened to the Royal Family since the Queen Mother.”

    • Tessa says:

      The queen mum was never the other woman in a royal marriage. Case closed

    • Jaded says:

      Camilla is to the royal family what a spider is to a fly. How dare this idiot compare that scheming old harpy to the Queen Mum…

      • antipodean says:

        As it turns out the Queen Mum was no paean of virtue, and had a closet full of her own skeletons! Her image was cosseted by her PR, and was by all accounts very far from the scheming besom she actually was. To wit, her hatred and vilification of Wallis Simpson, among other things. It actually makes very interesting reading, and exposes what a nasty old piece of work she was. Diana was a lovely, fresh girl, who was inveigled into becoming a brood mare for a cynical cad, who used her as a brood mare.

    • Where'sMyTiara says:

      The nerve this hagiographer has, comparing Roy’s meemaw to “Linda what lives two trailers down”

  3. aquarius64 says:

    BP must have seen the damage this documentary has done to Cam and the courtiers are firing back. BP is making sure the finger is pointed at KP, and definitely at Kate.

  4. ML says:

    There is a lot of this, “No one has ever presented a shred of evidence that, after Kate and Meghan had a row, Camilla’s side immediately leaked the story.”

    There is NO outright denial that Camzilla (was one of possibly many who) leaked this. They literally do not deny she did so.

    • sevenblue says:

      What kind of evidence could there be? It is gossip. Also, it was implied by K&W that Camilla leaked the story. When Harry asked them how the story got out there, they said they had dinner with Charles & Camilla and they told them about the crying story. So, it was Kate & William who accused Camilla of leaking, not Harry. I didn’t believe one second it was Camilla. K&W were throwing her under the bus to hide what they did. The journalist who got this exclusive also got to interview Kate’s mother a few weeks later. It was Middleton operation.

      • ML says:

        Respectfully, while I totally agree with you that the Middletons, William and Kate spread this rumor, I also believe Camzilla joined in.
        1. The Royal Households are full of people. (Ie, Lots of people, not just QCC)
        2. No one has ever presented a shred of evidence that,…Camilla’s side immediately leaked the story. (Ie, Prove she did do it. “Immediately” does some heavy lifting.)
        3. It would have been very surprising if she had done so… (Not that QCC never did.)

      • Nic919 says:

        Camilla Tominey was dealing with the Middletons during the time the false crying story came out. She was at the Telegraph and the Carole interview was done in the telegraph magazine.
        It was no coincidence that Tominey was the first to report on crygate months after Kate made Meghan cry.

        The other Camilla isn’t afraid to get dirty but she wouldn’t be putting out a story that creates sympathy for Kate. This is a Middleton special.

      • sevenblue says:

        @Nic919, yeah the simple answer for “who benefits from this lie?” is Kate & William. Why would Camilla try to prop up K&W? If it was her work, she would try to make both Meghan & Kate look bad, but the crying story turned Kate into “poor innocent white woman”. That was the work of Middletons probably approved by KP.

      • Square2 says:

        I agreed with @SEVENBLUE & Kaiser that it’s the Middletons lied & briefed the “Meg made KKKatecry story to Tominey. Harry was deceived by WandK. Of course they wouldn’t admit “Catherine” and/or her mother spreading this lie. Also, Tominey once proudly said she has Kate’s personal phone number.

      • ML says:

        All of them are awful and it’s unfortunately enlightening to find out that the royals switched the names of the victim and bully to get to Meghan made Kate cry.

        CamilToe was definitely a Midd mouthpiece, and I understand what everyone is saying. I don’t understand why, when in the past the royals demanded retractions or apologies or corrections, they didn’t just print, “Camilla never did that.” They dance around the whole thing by saying there were other people, it’s not her style, etc.
        Camz is there to save her own skin, make CRex look good, start trouble, and go after whoever she doesn’t like. Remember how she gossiped sbout Biden? This particular rumor showed up after CRex had a fit over the Sussexes’ popularity during the Australia tour. I can see Camzilla playing divide and conquer with the stepsons while allowing the Midds to go after Meghan. I really think she had a hand in this, but wasn’t the only one.

      • Jais says:

        For sure Camilla plays divide and conquer and she could have had a hand in the story but I don’t think she had THE hand. The only reason she is even seriously discussed in this story is bc William and Kate pointed their fingers at her. And I don’t trust those two at all. They are liars just as much as Camilla is . At the end of the day, we don’t know what happened when William Kate Charles and Camilla all had dinner together while the Sussexes were away on the oceana tour. But interestingly the smear campaign started as soon as they returned.

    • sunnyside up says:

      There is evidence that Kate made Meghan cry, Kate gave Meghan flowers to apologise, that was printed in the Tabs at the time, they later went back on their own story.

      • Saucy&Sassy says:

        sunnyside up, Meghan said it herself in the Oprah interview. I have no doubt she still has the note that Bone Idle wrote to her with the flowers.

    • bisynaptic says:

      😂

  5. Nanea says:

    So they’re smearing Harry and Diana to sanewash the Rottweiler.

    “Diana was not cut out to be the kind of wife that Charles desperately needed – one who loved him unreservedly”

    How about — Charles never loved *her*.

    I mean, “whatever in love means” says it all.

    And the way Queen Side Piece is presented as the love of CIII’s life. She wasn’t his only side piece, not even the only long-term one.

    But Diana was paranoid, huh?

    • Tessa says:

      Charles even said his other married mistress dale was the only one who understood him. Diana wanted a,loving husband and Charles admitted to dimbleby he did not love Diana. This does not make Charles look good especially when he proposed to Diana when she was still a teen. Diana being gaslit again. Like the character paula in the movie gaslight. Charles never will know what love means.

    • Jaded says:

      Diana was nothing more than a brood mare to Charles. If being a “proper” wife means putting silently up with years of infidelities with Camzilla and Dale Tryon just to name a few, no wonder their marriage fell apart. Being married to a self-absorbed, spoiled, morally bankrupt, moody adulterer must have been hell for her.

    • Saucy&Sassy says:

      Nanea, well, nothing says love like staying with a husband who has a mistress who inserted herself into your marriage. They can print stuff like this forever, but the truth is already out there.

  6. Tessa says:

    The queen mother must be spinning in her grave when Camilla is even used in the same sentence and compared to her. The queen tolerated camilla since she was allegedly safely married and even lent a,safe house to c and c. Once Camilla was a divorced and a possible 2nd wife all bets were off. The queen mum be at received her and would not tolerate a c and c wedding In her lifetime. T

    • Tessa says:

      Edit the queen mum would never receive Camilla after the a and c divorce

    • Becks1 says:

      But also, let’s not rewrite history and act like the Queen Mother was a saint. She wasn’t. I dont think of her as the best thing to happen to the royal family in the 20th century, so thats a weird line to draw from her to Camilla anyway.

      • Tessa says:

        You are right. She was no saint. And hypocritical. She gave c and c safe house to spend the night but once Camilla was divorced and a possible wife she would not receive her. I also think she herself was very spiteful. She was very two faced with Diana.

      • sunnyside up says:

        I agree, she wasn’t nearly as nice as she was painted. She was also one of the one’s that bullied Charles into marrying Diana.

      • Tessa says:

        Charles was never bullied into marrying diana. That is his cop out excuse. The queen mum suggested not forced The man was not a baby. He was 32 . Dian a was 19. Charles not taking responsibility for his own decisions is a serious flaw. Philip told him to drop Diana if he did not want to marry her.

      • Jaded says:

        She could be hell on wheels when she wanted to, and was quite the drinker as well (guess she and Camzilla had that in common). I’m sure the only reason she lived so long was because she was pickled most of the time.

  7. Pumpkin says:

    I also think the Crygate story from Kate and Co. I also think Kate got panicked and she might come out bad in that situation and she struck before Meghan and let the narrative stick forever. This happens during a divorce battle when one party strikes and makes false statements that stick to the public. They intentionally (wales) lied to the public and blamed it on Camilla.

  8. Lili says:

    i don’t think anyone ever accused her of leaking the story it was always the midds and Kate to the other Camilla, so why is she putting her self in this story? the fact that she did’t dosent change perceptions of her

    • Becks1 says:

      In Spare, W&K tried to make it sound like it was Camilla who leaked the story, not one of them.

      • Lili says:

        Ah i see, i will have to go back and read spare again. i would never have believed it was her anyway because she didn’t have anything to gain by leaking the story. and there has been no evidence to show she is highly supportive of Kate enough to throw Meghan under the bus

      • Nic919 says:

        Logically Camilla is not releasing a story that would make Kate look sympathetic and do nothing for herself.

      • Becks1 says:

        @Nic919 I 100% agree. But I also can believe that W&K would try to convince H&M that it was Camilla and not them.

      • Jais says:

        I’ve always wanted to see the face Camilla must have made when she read that part in Spare(cuz you know she read it). William and Kate absolutely lied and threw Camilla under the bus when they said it was her. Camilla must’ve been like, say what.

    • sunnyside up says:

      The Midds wouldn’t have released the original story that Kate gave Meghan flowers to apologise. Be interesting to know where that came from. We gather Meghan kept the note that came with the flowers. Just think , if the lie hadn’t been produced the row would have been long forgotten, two women stressed by arranging a wedding that the world was going to watch, tears were bound to happen at some stage.

      • Laura D says:

        @Sunnyside up – I’m pretty sure the flowers story come out during the Oprah interview? Which to this day has never been denied by either BP or KP.

      • Shelley says:

        Kate Middelton was not arranging a wedding. She was being a chaos agent!

      • Jais says:

        Chaos agent fr. Demanding that the bride has to redo all the kids dresses a week before the wedding. Not showing up to have the dress altered by the tailor when all the other parents were able to do so. Like Megan said, she was going through some things at the time but still.

      • Tessa says:

        Kate behaved like a diva. She had no business meddling in someone else’s wedding. Apparently none of the other mothers of bridal attendants made a fuss.

      • Jaded says:

        Meghan mentioned it in the Oprah interview and also did Kate a solid by saying “she brought me flowers and a note, she was going through some *stuff* at the time” (likely the Rose Hanbury mess). Meghan was far too kind and diplomatic to her which, as we all witnessed at the funeral walkabout, came back to haunt her.

  9. ML says:

    The Kate cannot make it to the diplomats’ reception story, because she is too busy planning her Christmas Concert:
    That has to have been from BP.
    KC and QCC did not approve of the lovey-dovey WanK video, they have no access to WanK’s KP schedule, and while most of the blame above is aimed at the Sussexes, Camzilla’s mouthpiece also seems suspicious of WanK’s involvement in the Wicked Stepmother special.
    I think this is part of the reason K was benched and driven away from the tiaras.

    • sunnyside up says:

      Kate could make life very difficult for Camilla when Kate is Queen, of course Camilla could pre-decease the King but that seems unlikely.

      • Tessa says:

        Kate is on shaky ground herself. I think Camilla knows too much for Kate to give orders.

      • ML says:

        I think that depends on William? Unlike what they were selling us in that loved up, Hallmark-esque movie trailer, I do not see WanK as close and loving–I would not be surprised if they were living mainly separate lives. I’ve also noticed the Middletons and K no longer seem to be briefing the RR: she’s been silenced. She’s also mostly been seen without Big Blue this past year…
        So if KC predeceases QCC or becomes incapacitated, Camz could definitely be in trouble (probably), but it will be W calling the shots. Unless K regains some of her agency.

      • Dilettante says:

        Cam will be just fine. She plans ahead and her lackey Charlie will do her bidding to make sure she’s well set.

      • Giddy says:

        I just wonder if William will actually allow Kate any power. I think it’s likely that she will be stuck away from ,London and rarely included on royal events. I believe that he will not want her having any power. Also, William will deal with Sidepiece Queen on his own and I doubt that he will ever refer to her as a national treasure.

      • Nic919 says:

        I think Camilla has prepared herself with help from Charles for when William takes power. I don’t think she will miss doing tiara events that much. She also has Ray Mill which is outside of any of the royal properties and she’s not looking for royal lodge or any place where William has power.

      • Convict says:

        Kate will be consort, not Queen. What could she do to Camilla?

  10. Becks1 says:

    First off, in Spare, the impression I got was that while there was a disagreement at the dress fitting, it carried over after that via text message and that’s when Harry found Meghan crying about it. So depending on how that initial disagreement (coming from Kate) went, staffers might not have had any idea that it ended with Meghan crying.

    Then, I had to laugh in Spare when H&M asked W&K how that story got out and they were like oh! We forgot! we told Camilla! I’m sure that was an easy out for W&K – to just blame all leaks on Camilla.

    Do I think she leaked against Meghan and stoked the fires because she’s an agent of chaos? Yes. do I think she leaked the crying story? No. I don’t think she would have given it to Tominey if she was behind it. I think that came directly from Kate and her mother and to me, that was always one of the worse stories because it played into the idea of Kate as the fragile white English flower and Meghan as the threatening Angry Black Woman. And from there the British press just kept pushing that image of Meghan.

    I think everyone between CH and BP and KP was leaking against the Sussexes for a variety of reasons (jealousy, pettiness, racism, etc) and I think they all probably blamed each other as well so H&M couldn’t really pin who was responsible. Let’s not forget that Meghan seemed to think jason Knauf was on her side for a good chunk of time.

    Finally – Camilla the best thing to happen to the royal family?? lmao.

    • Jais says:

      So I could maybe believe Kate tried to tell her family or even her staffers a different version of the story. But at the same time, her behavior must have been pretty bad bc she gave Meghan an apology note. I don’t see Kate doing that easily or readily unless it was very bad. And in the Oprah interview one thing that always stands out to me is how Meghan said that the whole family knew the truth. They all knew Kate had made Meghan cry and that the reverse story was a lie. So how could a random staffer leak the reverse if that was the case? Technically, I can believe Kate may have cried out of the sheer mortification of being caught in such bad behavior and having to send an apology note to Meghan. But that sure wasn’t the leaked story.

    • ArtHistorian says:

      Camilla is really one of the worst things to happen to the BRF in modern times. Her involvement with Charles and the way she has leaked private dramas to the tabloid press has led to a gradual decline of their public image since the 90s.

      That family has always been dysfunctional but I think that she def added to that dysfunction AND she made it public as well. I also would not be surprised if she feeds Charles’ worst instincts, i.e. his pathological jealousy of various family members, as a way to be in control. I also find it interesting that her press strategy is basically that making others look bad is the only way she can look “good”. I also read that she is a toxic chaos agent outside of the BRF, that she is a person that enjoys causing others harm.

      It will be interesting to see how she will be judged by history when both she and Charles are dead. I think we might get a lot of dirt then because there no longer will be anyone for the press to be afraid of since I do not think William will protect her image after his father’s death.

      • Jais says:

        Agree with all of that. She plays Charles and he has allowed her to play her games within the press. And it’s been ugly. To commit ugly acts in order to look good just adds to the decay. Didn’t Charles claim she was his own version of Angela Kelly? So they’re both responsible together. And the heir and his wife took their cue from them.

    • Nic919 says:

      Kate only apologized because whatever she did it was in front of Harry or she knows that Harry was aware of it. She would not have apologized if this was only witnessed by Meghan. And she clearly resented the apology if she turned around and used the opposite to tarnish Meghan publicly.

  11. Dee(2) says:

    It’s interesting to me that Camila loves to project this image of her being really normal, cheeky, and not concerned with all of the fluffery that goes on as being a royal and how none of that is true. She is clearly supremely bothered by the fact that people view her as a home wrecking, devious, manipulative person who likes to throw rocks and hide her hands. They always start out with how she doesn’t care about something, and then it’s every media person she knows to the defense. She did the same thing with season 4 of the Crown. They started out talking about how she thought the whole thing was funny and was probably going to watch with the glass of wine, and then all the people who were either too young or not born during the ’80s and early ’90s watched it and it became it’s not historically accurate and needs to disclaimer.

    • Amy Bee says:

      It’s as if Camilla’s taken on the press’ perception of Harry’s personality when he was a working royal. He was the one who normal, cheeky and not concerned with the fluffery of royal life. That tells me that Camilla was always jealous of the attention that Harry got.

      • Jais says:

        Ooh. Interesting observation. She really set out to replace him. And it was always said that Charles was closer to Harry than William so having him gone sure hasn’t hurt her any.

  12. Maxine Branch says:

    That Camila will get everything she put out back. A woman with zero decency and character. Hanging out with the worst amongst those gutter rats while feeding them negative information re the Sussexes will be her comeuppance at some point. Just a nasty ugly cow. All of her fellow gutter rats know what she is doing.

  13. Tessa says:

    Diana is dead and buried now since 1997. A bit on the tacky side to compare Diana to Camilla at this late date and there are fervent Charles fans who can’t ignore the not my king signs and the cold way he treated harry and Meghan . The writer is in denial that c and c are not popular with all.

  14. Aimee says:

    This entire article offends me. First, stop calling Camilla The Queen. She is NOT The Queen and she never will be. Second, who the hell ever said she had anything to do with Kate making Meghan cry? First I’ve heard of it. Third, none of these people are “national treasures.” What a joke.

    And finally, DO NOT disparage Diana, god rest her soul. She wasn’t perfect but she was miles ahead of any of these people.

    • Tessa says:

      I know Diana was not perfect but compared to her ex husband she was an angel. Look how that man treats harry and his family .

    • Yvette says:

      @Aimee … I think he inserted the ‘Meghan made Kate cry’ story because it inflamed the British public and truly began the intense campaign of hatred against Meghan. It is a deflection. “Don’t look at Camilla behind the curtain. Remember, Meghan is the villain here. She made Kate cry!”

    • Convict says:

      Agree 100% Aimee. Well said.

  15. Tessa says:

    Even if selfish Charles preferred Camilla to Diana it is disrespectful to put her down. She did give birth to 2 royal children and it is disrespectful to her son s and their families . Plus Diana is dead and how tasteless to deride a dead person to try to bolster c and c.

  16. Eurydice says:

    Who said Camilla was an outcast? Despised, yes – outcast, obviously not. At age 77 and with Charles’ one foot in the grave, it’s a little late for rehabilitation. She’ll become another footnote and we’ll be on to the drama of W&K.

  17. Hannah says:

    I have watched this Channel 4 doccie. It did have 2 people whose names I recognise, angela levin and robert jephson. It had to have been commissioned by someone who really has zero love for c&c

    But other than these 2 and Andrew Morton, I didn’t know any of the people interviewed. They took a sledgehammer to camilla

    There was stuff from after Diana’s death and before their first public meeting together in 1999 I had never known before. In fact there was a lot of stuff I didn’t know about

    The story about Harry getting caught smoking pot and Charles stepping him in and taking him after that to a drug rehab facility. It’s rubbish. Prince Harry had done it weeks before as part of a charity initiative but mark boland decided to spin it as doting, concerned charles steps in to *help* Harry and they used the pictures from his visit weeks before to prop up charles

    It was pretty bloody incendiary to camilla. I think it has opened up a lot of all wounds and created a few new ones too

    Charles sacrificed everyone, Diana, Harry for camilla. Her pr rehabilitation started before Diana was killed and is still going on today. I think there must be a part 2 coz it ended with their engagement

    Mark boland is filth. Charles is filth. Camilla is machiavellian. Harry told the truth all along

    I will say there wasn’t that much about Harry, this was more a hit piece on camilla

    • Hannah says:

      Ugh “opened up a lot of old wounds” not all wounds. Sorry, I’m just so bloody angry and was so disgusted by this documentary, and have so many feelings about it, my grammar and spelling are shite

      Just know, you can honestly believe what Harry tells you about things we have all speculated and wondered about. Harry has been kind and gracious. I would have blown the whole thing wide open

      Never come back here Harry and never bring Meg or the little Prince & Princess. It’s all rotten

    • ML says:

      Thanks for the summary, Hannah.

    • Laura D says:

      I also watched the documentary and was disappointed at how much they left out! Yes the documentary let us know she (and Charles) leaked at the expense of Harry but, not always for the reason of salvaging their own image. The best example was when they said the “drug rehab” story was made up because it showed Charles as a concerned father. However, that story also kept the addiction and dealing of Camilla’s son off the front pages along with him regularly partying with William!

      I’m sure if you don’t follow the royals as closely as Celebitchers then the documentary was eye-opening. However, it is nowhere near as revealing or shocking as the Dispatches expose or even the BBC documentary; The Princes and the Press. The documentary did make me wonder if this is a precursor to Harry’s court case. Harry knows that Camilla has been leaking to the press for years and the media also know this but, no-one is prepared to give up their “sources.” If ANY of those emails can be traced back to Camilla and her minions then it’s game over!

      ETA: Unlike the two “royal” documentaries this documentary had higher viewing figures than the channel would normally have for a programme in that time slot!

      ETA: Oh and another snippet which I found very interesting. Is only weeks before Diana’s “accident” QEII in no uncertain terms was telling courtiers that she wanted Camilla gone!

  18. Lala11_7 says:

    It was a bold face LIE that IS supported by EONS of the horrific “Angry Black Woman” trope & may Camilla et al be haunted FOREVER by the STANK of that BS! 😡

    To EVERYONE ELSE…Good Morning 🥰

  19. Steph says:

    “there were plenty of people who would have either witnessed the row between the two women, or who could have listened at the doors.”

    This whole thing happened over text message so no there could not been witnesses or eaves droppers.

  20. Murphy says:

    “Poor Camilla, is what I say. She doesn’t deserve this kind of treatment.”

    Uh…why not?

  21. somebody says:

    So now Di lacks “humour” and “common sense”? Is this the same type of racist/sexist humor that Meghan lacked?

    • Tessa says:

      Do not Charles and Camilla know this makes them look bad not Diana. Diana is dead and gone since 1997, it seems rather horrifying to trash her that way.

      • MichaelaCat says:

        Yeah, but Charles never had any sense.

        Lots of people still love Diana, and after the Crown, Gen Z is in on it too. Particulary women.

        Bringing up Diana is so dumb

  22. Murphy says:

    Also what William has always failed to realize (and Camilla has taken advantage of his dumb laziness again and again) is that when he does things to Harry that split their vote so to speak–it just strengthens Camilla’s behind the scenes efforts.

  23. Jais says:

    Oooh. The ending of the article. Saying Camilla is not a despised outcast bc in fact Harry is the despised outcast! Laying the cards out on the table a little too obviously there😂. How can Camilla be despised when she’s worked so hard or make Charles’ son Harry the despised one? Which isn’t really true. Harry is not that despised, especially not outside of the uk. And a lot of people still despise Camilla. And living a beautiful life in montecito while making surprise appearances in the uk as Harry does is not exactly the definition of an outcast.

  24. Amy Bee says:

    At least the DM is finally admitting that there was a hate campaign against Meghan. Camilla may not have leaked about Meghan making Kate cry but she did brief against Meghan. One example was the story in the Mirror which reported that Camilla was upset that Meghan overshadowed her landmark speech on domestic violence by posting a photo on Instagram about her engagement at the National Theatre. And then there were the complaints about Meghan being the Patron of the National Theatre, those definitely came from Camilla’s camp.

  25. Sue says:

    Still trashing Diana after all these years. Let the woman rest in peace. You ruined her life enough, Camilla. My god, you’ve won. Move on.
    And no, Harry isn’t the reason people still don’t like you. They never liked you. “Queen Camilla” The Sidechick makes people cringe and laugh whether Harry called you out or not.

  26. Hypocrisy says:

    I just want to know where I can watch this documentary about the wicked step mother.. no amount of propaganda will ever change the evil that she is and the destruction she has caused. IMO she is the worst thing that ever happened to the Monarchy, besides for the Queen raising entitled fools.

    • ArtHistorian says:

      She is def the worst thing that happened to the BRF in modern times.

      However, the worst thing ever happened to the monarchy in England was the public execution of Charles I and the abolishment of the institution for the next 20 years. The only reason the monarchy was restored was because Oliver Cromwell’s son and their was a weak leader.

    • CherryBerry says:

      You have to be in the UK to watch it. It’s on Channel 4, called “Queen Camilla, The Wicked Stepmother?” You could also change your VPN to the UK and make sure to remove ad blockers. Once it senses ad blockers it won’t play even if you remove them. I felt it was too kind on her and left out a lot. I sense they really cleaned it up beforehand.

  27. Is That So? says:

    Cammy got to be CIII consort and got to share his “not my king” parades. ( unforeseen)

    The consort also got the Commonwealth and the duty to interact with Black and Brown people. (Foreseen). If pictures are to be believed she hates it and is SO VERY BAD AT FAKING OTHERWISE. To be fair, Cammy doesn’t seem particularly happy to be touching or being touched by her white “subjects” either.

    No one but CIII’s queen.

  28. QuiteContrary says:

    “The truth is Camilla is the best thing that has happened to the Royal Family since the Queen Mother.”

    There are two things I love about that line:
    1. The Queen Mother was terrible and racist, and so is Camilla, so it works.
    2. It completely erases the Kate-as-savior-of-the-monarchy narrative. Kate will choke on her crack baby cocktail if she reads it.

  29. TN Democrat says:

    The Queen Mum was a manipulative elitist snob who babied Charles and helped create the needy man who has chosen to align himself with parasites like Camilla that flatter his ego, go along with his whims no matter how destructive and don’t tell him what he needs to hear. The Queen Mum was also a deeply toxic mother to Margaret and to a lesser extent Elizabeth. The “Mean American Black Lady Made Lily White Hanger Cry” story was always a vicious Middleton plant. Harry and his lawyers are probably specifically looking for emails related to this smear. Camilla always looks out for herself and maybe to some extent her kids. She isn’t working with a lightweight crew like the Middleton’s to plant stories. Keener, Baldimort, Camilla and Chuck all brief the media. Camilla and Chuck usually seem to work together/not against each other, but Baldimort and Camilla/Chuck brief the rota constantly. Keener used the rota to embiggen herself at Baldimort’s expense for years, but seems to have been totally silenced in the last year. Lort. I hope the content of those emails gets released publically.

  30. kelleybelle says:

    I believe this was Carole Middleton’s work. And Tominey has been in bed with them since the beginning. I will die on this hill.

  31. bisynaptic says:

    “Diana was not cut out to be the kind of wife that Charles desperately needed – one who loved him unreservedly; who had enough humour and maturity to laugh him out of his self-pity and touchiness; and one who was not trying to steal his thunder.”
    — This is not a flex.

    • Tessa says:

      Charles wanted Diana to have heirs with. She was aristo. Charles never gave Diana a chance. Charles needed counseling badly.

      • tamsin says:

        If indeed Charles had bad parenting, and was bullied at school, he hasn’t yet overcome any of those disadvantages in order to approach life in a more positive and less reactive and vengeful way and the man is nearing the end of his life. Would counselling make Charles honorable, or a loving father or an empathetic and decent person? Charles is a self-centered, weak, whiny character who seems to be completely focussed on shoring up his own feelings. If his actions didn’t have such devastating effects on others, he would be an object of pity for being such a pathetic creature. Indeed, it would seem that the “whatever love means” guy probably doesn’t know love at all. What can one call what is between him and Camilla? Personally, I think it’s a sick dependency. Charles puts Camilla first because he puts himself first, and “himself” needs Camilla. Their relationship made and makes so many people around them miserable. Happy people can generally radiate happiness around them. What do Charles and Camilla radiate? Camilla, it seems loves at least loves her children and always looks out for her own family. Charles seems to have destroyed him own family. What feeling of “family” does Charles radiate? He is alienated from both his sons. He made one son homeless. He did not honour or protect their mother. Harry was very kind to his father in Spare.

  32. Over it says:

    From the stable to the bedroom and then back to the stables . Cams was, is and will forever be a home wrecking lying deceitful, manipulative, Hoe. No amount of jewels or puff pieces will ever change that .

  33. BeanieBean says:

    What was the point of this documentary? To refute Harry’s memoir, specifically the bits about Camilla? How very…odd.

  34. Darkwing Duck says:

    The documentary was nothing like Dispatches, it could have been made by the Daily Mail or Channel 5. It was built around recent interviews of Harry, excerpts from Spare and Harry and Meghan. A documentary which really comprehensively addressed what it was purporting to address would have have included William’s fury that his first meeting with Camilla was leaked to the press (resulting in the sacking of one of Camillas closest aides so objectively a big deal?) as evidence he had given her his seal of approval.

    Harry gives little sign, IMO, that he blames Camilla for his mother’s death although that seems to be sometimes projected onto him. And I think that perceiving much of the media as being instruments wielded by family members against one another in a domestic spat would be buying into the media’s preferred positioning of themselves as innocent parties.

    The Mail, in my opinion, knows full well that the Camilla doc was a total bait and switch (main contributors Angela Levin and Petronella Wyatt FGS) and they are pretending that there was something to defend her over so they can get their double dip – allow people who don’t like Camilla to luxuriate in the full recounting of her crimes, portrayed as ‘Harry’s accusations’, then air for approval of that small group of people who like her and the much larger group who side with her because they think Harry doesn’t like her, her defence. Harry probably doesn’t like her but I think he knows better than to broadcast it. William very clearly also does not like her – shouldn’t a show billing itself about being about a Wicked Stepmother address that? It’s quite important that *both* the sons dislike their Dad’s new wife for the ‘Stepmother’ aspect to be worth highlighting?

    The Sun drugs story is more story about a Wicked Biological Dad because while both Charles and Camilla may have been behind it leaking it was very specifically Charles who was intended to get the PR boost from it?

    It was a show about Camilla that ignored all but her early life to rehash Harry and Meghan’s wedding, Harry and Meghans Africa visit, Harry and Meghan going on Oprah and Harry giving interviews about Spare. Harry was portrayed as delusional and paranoid. Piers Morgan got the platform again to call Meghan a liar as if this were remotely relevant.

    IMO, this is part of a drip of propaganda designed to undermine Harry’s credibility for his upcoming cases against the papers. The programme basically said that all the negative stories about him as a teen and young man were not from Unlawful Info Gathering and neither were they leaked by his family – no, it was maids and butlers, ears cupped to the wall, standing behind doors and quietly serving soup who happened to just ‘overhear’ it all (and peer over Kate’s shoulder as she was texting?) . “Like Downtown Abbey” said Jobson… and if that isn’t taking the public for bloody fools I don’t know what would be!

    Another timely reminder that being anti monarchy and anti establishment, as Channel 4 styles itself, is not the same as being pro Harry and Meghan.

  35. Saucy&Sassy says:

    Isn’t it interesting that this came out just before Harry’s case goes to trial in January? I’ll wait for the real thing (evidence). I lived through the Diana years–pretty hard to flip the narrative when people KNOW what happened at the time.

  36. Jill says:

    Get Diana’s name out of your mouth, Wilson. You’re garbage.

    • slippers4life says:

      This! Stop calling her or anyone else a “paranoid” person. The fact this is the narrative they are trying to create for a dead woman is beyond despicable. We need a disgusting adjective to describe people who exploit the fact someone is deceased to spin a vile narrative about them and change that.

  37. Lau says:

    The “Meghan made Kate cry” storyline definitely came from the Middletons but I’m sure that Camilla was mad that she didn’t get the idea first.

  38. Kaaaaaz says:

    That pic of her never gets old.

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