Wunmi Mosaku on the American psyche: Terrible things happen & people just go to work

When did Wunmi Mosaku get on your radar? I remember people raving about her in Lovecraft Country, she got attention for her role in Luther, and she won a BAFTA for His House. She’s been around British and American films and TV shows for many years, but Sinners took her to the next level. She’s now Oscar-nominated for Supporting Actress for Sinners, and she’s enjoying the process. Wunmi is Nigerian-born, British-raised, but she moved to America in 2018 when she married her Black American husband. She’s expecting their second child. Wunmi recently spoke to the Times about Sinners, studying at RADA, and what it’s like to live in America these days. Some highlights:

Arriving at RADA at the age of 18: She expected to study Shakespeare. “Instead, they gave us a year’s membership to London Zoo and sent us off to look at the animals so we could pretend to be them. I thought, ‘What am I doing? I cannot be getting into debt for this.’ I’m from a family of academics; I want some hard facts.” She “didn’t really enjoy” drama school. “I found it very difficult. It was my first time away from home, everyone mimicked my Manchester accent, I was the only black girl in my year and I didn’t get any parts. It felt isolating. I spent all my student loan on going home every weekend in my first year.”

On Sinners: “[It’s] not really horror: the messages are so much more powerful than a vampire movie… It’s about love, community, the cost of freedom and cultural appropriation and colonisation. It made me think about our place in history and my ancestors who I didn’t know. It was a beautiful surprise that it’s done so well. I’ve met people who have seen it ten times in the cinema.”

She was asleep during the Oscar nominations announcement: “I got the timing of the announcement wrong. I heard my husband on the phone and asked him why he was up. He said, ‘Baby, you just got nominated for an Oscar.’ I said, ‘No, the announcement’s at 8.30am.’”

It’s a surreal time in America: “I’ve not been able to celebrate because of what’s going on right now, with the killings of Renee Good and Alex Pretti by ICE agents in Minnesota and the kidnapping of a five-year-old boy. It’s difficult to hold both the nomination and the news because one feels beautiful and one is so dark and heavy; truly dystopian — how can I possibly go out and buy some drinks and enjoy the moment?”

On the American psyche: Her husband “is not as shocked as I am at the news. There’s a very strange American psyche where terrible things happen and people still can go to work the next day, whereas I’m floored for a week and think, ‘How are people going to crowded places when this has just happened?’ I want a cocoon. My reaction reminds him that this is not normal.”

She doesn’t want to bring up her kids in America: It was “never part of my plan” to bring up her children in America. “I anticipate moving but I’m not sure where. I’d love to live closer to nature, I don’t know…” she ponders. “In Tanzania?” Not back home to Manchester, then? “I’m not going to lie, it’s hard to envision coming back when you’ve been spoilt by the weather in LA. You get soft very quickly there.”

Learning more about her Nigerian roots & Yoruba: She started learning Yoruba during the pandemic but didn’t know about hoodooism, a spiritual practice that takes some of its influence from a Yoruba belief system called Ifa, which experts on the set of Sinners taught her more about. “I was scared of Ifa, as was my mum, who is Christian; I’d heard that it was evil, but then I met these priestesses and I was bowled over by their power, wisdom and knowledge from the motherland. Learning about Ifa unlocked something in me and the language stuck in a way it hadn’t before. A lot of the negative connotations come from colonialism and fear of the other.”

It’s easier for Black actors in America: Mosaku moved to the US for love rather than her career, but understands why black British actors including Idris Elba and David Harewood chose to work in America. They have said they moved because they faced a glass ceiling in the UK, limiting them to minor roles, whereas America offered more. “Being in the US opened up a lot of different roles and routes for me. There were more characters to choose from there. Over here it felt like I just played police officers. I’m so tired of playing cops. I understand why David and Idris left, for sure.”

[From The Times]

She’s right about the American psyche. We can watch an American citizen get murdered by government thugs on the street and we still clock in for work on time and celebrate birthdays and watch our shows and keep moving. It truly shocks other people that Americans are like this too. It also sounds like she enjoys the better-quality work she gets in America and she enjoys living in LA in general, but she doesn’t want to raise her kids in America long-term. But I love that she says no, I’m not coming back to the UK. You know what surprises me? She lives in California and did a whole interview with a British newspaper and they didn’t ask her about Prince Harry and Meghan. Is that growth from a British outlet? Perhaps!

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17 Responses to “Wunmi Mosaku on the American psyche: Terrible things happen & people just go to work”

  1. Eowyn says:

    I love the depth of her responses. I love that she’s been able to have substantial roles, and be in work that’s not focused on the white gaze. I love what she has to say about what’s normalized in everyday life under American settler colonialism. Hoodoos cultural roots are far broader than Ifa though, like Central and West African cultures.

  2. lamejudi says:

    I loved her in Luther, and was thrilled when she came onscreen in Sinners.

    If you have Britbox, watch Wunmi in the series Passenger. She’s amazingly talented, and I hope she wins the Oscar.

  3. Amy Bee says:

    It’s not growth, it’s the Times knows who to ask about Harry and Meghan to get the answer they want. It’s very interesting that she was brave enough to say that she doesn’t want to move back to the UK. Usually the British actors feel they have to pander to the British journalists and say how much they miss living in the UK. It was sad to read her experience at RADA but it’s not surprising.

    • Jais says:

      She did blame it on the weather but she also talked about the glass ceiling of getting minor roles there as well.

    • kirk says:

      We don’t know what questions were posed by The Times.
      All we know is what The Times chose to publish.
      It is interesting they chose to publish the part about her having a bad RADA experience 😿.

  4. Lamb Chop says:

    I’ve said this before. I first noticed her in Vera (2011-12). She was the much put upon character, Holly. And to this day I remember her in that role.

    I recognised her immediately this award season as I haven’t seen Sinners yet. Im very excited for her.

    • Calliope says:

      Ohh, wow! I didn’t put that together. I remember her well in that, too. So apparently she’s my favorite on screen no matter what I see her in.

  5. Eurydice says:

    I don’t know that this “psyche” is particularly American. My family in Greece went through Nazi and Italian occupation, civil war, the great famine in Athens, constant political changes, the coup by the generals, financial collapse several times and the meddling by the “great powers” – and they still had to get up every day and go to work and feed their families and educate their children and all the other things one does to stay alive and sane in a chaotic world.

    • Tuesday says:

      My first thought was, “What else would we do?” I mean, I get it. There are terrible things happening. Unfortunately, I still have bills to pay and kids to feed, and healthcare to pay for. I think rather than viewing things as “normal,” Americans keep calm and carry on, ironically.

    • MaisiesMom says:

      I agree. I don’t see that as an American thing. Most people, in the course of history, have had no choice but to do that. The Brits did it during the Blitz, didn’t they? Keep calm and carry on and all that.

    • Deedee says:

      First time i saw Wunmi mosaku was in lovecraft country. she was my absolute favorite in that show as Ruby and i honestly thought she stole the show and had the best character arc. I was pleasently surprised to see her in Sinners, too.

  6. Lightpurple says:

    First noticed her in a short film, Leading Lady Parts, where she just had one or two lines but stood out in a cast that included Gemma Atherton, Gemma Chan, Lena Headey and other well known British actresses. It’s on YouTube and it’s really short

    Also, if you can find it, a clip of her on Graham Norton talking about her love of the film Annie is absolutely adorable

  7. Constance says:

    I get what she means in that even within my family , they seem much less affected than I am by the current state of affairs in the US which frustrates me as my sisters both have many grandchildren…and they do not seem to worry about their futures or block it out entirely while I am unable to do so…I do not have kids but I worry constantly about the ten little ones of my nieces and nephew and their peers…this world is terrible in so many ways…none of which will get better…

  8. GrnieWnie says:

    She really owns that wine colour. It’s hers, for sure. Looks beautiful.

  9. Katya says:

    I’ve loved Wunmi since she played Holly a young detective in “Vera” so 13-15 years ago … playing against the phenomenal Brenda Blethyn. I knew she was a star.

    I was worried when she got lost in “Fantastical Beasts”.

    Check her out in “Passenger” on BritBox!!

  10. Lala11_7 says:

    Yea…🇺🇸 has been in the “Fog Of War” my whole life

    Police have been 🔥 innocent people my whole life

    Immigrants have been made the scapegoat & a magnet of hate in 🇺🇸 my whole life…

    I know Trump is a shock to the system…but not to me…there is FINALLY a Republican POTUS in 🇺🇸 whose inhumane politics & policies matches his Trogloydytes ignorant public persona & supporters🤬

    So yea…had to learn to deal…but I feel her on that…because learning to deal…cost me & millions of others…our health & peace of mind 💔🇺🇸💔

  11. Delta Juliet says:

    Personally I would love to stay home and wallow in my depression, but kids need food and we need a place to live! It’s not a choice, it’s reality.

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