Prince Charles called Charles Spencer ‘lucky’ after Johnny Spencer’s funeral

We’re going to be talking about Charles Spencer’s Swan Song for a long time, and we’re going to talk about Spencer’s book promotion all week. There’s a lot to get through, and there are just so many headlines and significant stories, some about Princess Diana and some about King Charles and the state of the monarchy. The Earl Spencer also mentioned, in passing, that he held back some information and some stories about the king because they weren’t necessarily relevant at this time. Certainly sounds like an implied threat, something like “I haven’t even gone nuclear yet, I could say a lot more.” Speaking of, Spencer did mention one bonkers story in Swan Song about the death of his father, Johnny Spencer. When Johnny Spencer died, Charles Spencer became the new Earl Spencer just shy of 28. Diana and then-Prince Charles obviously attended Johnny Spencer’s funeral, and Charles Spencer now writes about what his brother-in-law said to him:

The future king stamped his foot and behaved like a ‘petulant child’ during an extraordinary conversation with Earl Spencer more than 30 years ago, Princess Diana’s brother claims. The earl claims that on the day of his father’s funeral in April 1992, a frustrated Prince Charles told him that he was ‘so lucky’ to be inheriting the vast Spencer estate while he was still in his twenties.

The then Prince of Wales allegedly complained that, in contrast, his parents, the late Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip, were treating him ‘like a child’.

‘At this he stamped his foot in emphasis,’ Earl Spencer writes in his forthcoming memoir. ‘I have to say, very much like a child; and a petulant one, at that.’

The bizarre exchange took place after the death of John Spencer, the 8th Earl Spencer. At that point Charles Spencer, then aged 27, inherited the family’s 13,000-acre estate at Althorp, Northamptonshire, as the 9th earl.

Charles Spencer, now 62, recalls how after his father’s funeral service at a church in Northamptonshire, he, along with Prince Charles and Princess Diana gathered ‘rather awkwardly’ in Althorp’s oak-panelled tapestry sitting room.

He writes: ‘I shared that I had found it so moving to see my father’s coffin being borne into the church by his six longest-serving male members of staff that I had started to cry. Then Prince Charles suddenly said: ‘You’re so lucky!’ I was unsure if I had heard him right. ‘I’m sorry, sir?’

‘You’re just so lucky – you know, inheriting when you’re so young!’ ‘

Earl Spencer claims that, ‘warming to his theme’, Prince Charles then added: ‘You’re inheriting this place in your twenties. And, I mean, I’m 43…and I employ 50 people… but my parents insist on treating me like – like a child!’

[From The Daily Mail]

This is one story the current king can’t even deny, since he spent forty years as a petulant man-baby wanting the big job and the crown. Everyone knew that about King Charles too, even other royal houses. It’s even funnier to consider QEII’s thoughts on her heir – QEII, much like Diana, thought Charles would be a terrible king. That’s why QEII held onto the throne with both hands for as long as possible. And here’s the thing – I don’t honestly blame then-Prince Charles for having this thought, that his brother-in-law is “lucky” to inherit so young. It’s one thing to have that thought – it’s quite another to say that out loud just after Johnny Spencer’s funeral.

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56 Responses to “Prince Charles called Charles Spencer ‘lucky’ after Johnny Spencer’s funeral”

  1. JayBlue says:

    I am living voraciously through these revelations! I can’t wait to see how the rota spin this one!

  2. Eurydice says:

    Yeah, this was common knowledge to anyone who ever had even a thought about the RF. Charles is a rotten king and William will be worse, if only because he’ll live longer. That won’t matter, if the UK continues to want a monarchy. But, the swatch to disrespect can happen very quickly…

    • Eurydice says:

      Switch, not swatch.

      • Brassy Rebel says:

        Is there anyone who actually thought that Charles would be a good king? Or even a perfectly adequate one? Everyone seemed to be like, “He will be such a disaster! He will bring down the monarchy!” Fingers crossed. 🤞

  3. Mightymolly says:

    Why did Earl Charles start keeping receipts on Charles Windsor as early as 1992? Was it because he was close to Diana or was it because it was his duty as one of the highest ranking aristos to make sure he had leverage as needed with the BRF?

    • Jensa says:

      I think it was because he was a historian by nature (his degree was in history and he’s since published a number of history books), and also many aristos are diarists. He already knew that his sister had become part of history by marrying into that ghastly family, so I think would have recorded conversations and events that he thought might be significant. (Plus you’d definitely remember a remark like KC made about the old Earl’s death).
      I’m looking forward to seeing what else he’s got on KC though.

    • Lucy says:

      My understanding is he is a historian, and for one knew that being connected to the royal family like that would mean that he was seeing history as it happened. I think Richard Kay referenced him also working as a journalist some?

      I’d sure as shit write down someone coming to my dad’s funeral and telling me I’m lucky my dad died while I’m young. That deserves to go down for the ages.

      I freaking love how Spencer is just hitting Charles from different angles, he doesn’t know where the next story is coming from because he’s been such an entitled prick for so long.

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      He’s a historian as others have pointed out and to add that given his family’s long history as the head of his branch its also part of his duty to record family history (from what I understand its quite common with aristocratic families).

    • Jenny says:

      I’m not an historian but someone telling me I was lucky my father died, on the day of his funeral, would sure as hell stick with me forever. Absolutely appalling.

      • QuiteContrary says:

        If someone had said this to me, he’d have been lucky to escape the room without me tearing him a new one.

      • mightymolly says:

        These are all good points and ITA, but he also had the presence of mind to *document it*. Earl Charles was for sure playing the long game.

    • DouchesOfCambridge says:

      in those circles they know that with their titles, their lives are written into history, and their story will be passed on as will their titles. It is in their upbringing to leave their trace in history to keep their story alive for future generations. Kings, queens, princes, princesses, dukes/duchesses, marquis, earls etc. So many of them had diaries, I’m pretty sure they made sure the queen’s diary/Diana’s diary etc cannot be published after many many years not to hurt any of the actual royals fools and the peasants currently supporting them.

  4. Murali says:

    It’s obviously true as that’s so tampon. I don’t look at sm but I know the bots are insane.
    I hate this timeline

  5. Becks1 says:

    The complaint about his parents treating him like a child might have been valid (without getting into whether Charles acted like a child a good deal of the time), but to connect it with Charles Spencer being “so lucky” that his father died while he was still young…..it’s a gross sentiment and it’s also mistimed. You don’t say that when someone is mourning their father.

    But the problem for Charles Windsor is that we all know he thought that and said that. It’s been clear for decades that he was dismayed at his parents longevity.

    • Joanne says:

      We all saw the smiles, happiness and pure delight that Charles Windsor, William, Camilla and Kate displayed after the death of the late Queen. It’s not hard to see Charles as completely giddy and gleeful when Diana dies. He was finally free of her and able to marry his whorse.

      • Booboochile says:

        😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣OMGEEE! HIS WHORSE! HAHA HAHA HAHAHA HAHAHA 😆. YOU WIN! I am quitting the Internet while I still have my marbles and my lungs, I have never laughed so hard my lamb stew flew out my nose and eyes and my five cats took off never to be seen again. They are somewhere sulking. Oh lord have mercy on my soul that was hilarious! 😂😂😂😂

      • Blithe says:

        Omg! I learned a new word today! lol

        And now I have a new earworm: A whorse is a whorse, of course, of course…

  6. Sharon says:

    I can imagine Will saying those exact same words now!

  7. ChillinginDC says:

    Man. CRex is a terrible person. That’s all I got. Every revelation has you going man you suck. And now you can see how/why William turned out the way he did. They just babied these “heirs”.

    • ArtHistorian says:

      There’s a reason that the most modern successful British monarchs have been second sons and a woman. The system shapes the male heirs into monsters of entitlement that is combined with what seems like an innate stupidity.

  8. MaisiesMom says:

    Even people who are inclined to be respectful and kind to Charles will admit that he resented being kept in limbo for so many years. Certainly he felt restless in his position. Is anyone really going to question that he said this? And I bet a lot of other aristos in their circle were thinking the same thing, honestly. They just didn’t say it, not to Charles Spencer’s face and certainly not at his father’s funeral. But behind closed doors? Yeah.

    I mean, I’m sure the Spencer children grieved their father, but they were not at all sorry to see their stepmother go. They hated her. Charles made her leave Althorp more or less immediately. When Diana saw that she had packed in suitcases with a Spencer initial or crest on it, she made her take them out. She moved her clothes out in trash bags. Don’t let the door hit ‘ya. Then he undid her re-decorating, restoring the old woodwork she had covered with gold leaf, removing her wallpaper, etc. He’s a petty king.

    • Tessa says:

      Diana ultimately made up with her stepmother, and during the last few years of Diana’s life–after her father died, she and Raine got along.

  9. Puff Updater says:

    Chuck is just a vortex of every rotten impulse most people have learned to control by the time they leave the toddler years. The Earl has stripped away the tolerant, affectionate filter Harry saw CRex through and what’s left is an evil green menace.

  10. Who WERE these people? says:

    “If i wanted to be salacious, I [have material there, too]…”

    Hoo boy

  11. Mel says:

    I’m LOVING ALLLLLLLLLLL of this.

  12. Jensa says:

    This just shows KC’s very unattractive tendency to self-pity (which is well documented) and self-absorption (ditto). Incapable of understanding anyone’s feelings other than his own.

    • Debbie says:

      It does take a certain amount of chutzpah to complain about your own parents (who are ALIVE and kicking) at the funeral of someone else’s father. Oh dear. Then, there’s the matter of a young man in pain during his father’s funeral and one of the mourners saying, “You think you have it bad. Check out MY father. He still treats me like a child.” Prince Charles was dangerously close to being the groom at every wedding and the corpse at every funeral with this one. The other thing I notes was that no matter what kind feelings these Windsors may have for family members, they never let that get in the way of jockeying for position. Never.

  13. QuiteContrary says:

    ‘At this he stamped his foot in emphasis,’ Earl Spencer writes in his forthcoming memoir. ‘I have to say, very much like a child; and a petulant one, at that.’

    LOLOL, Charles Spencer is the real king! He really does know how to tell a story. And you can just picture Charles stamping his foot, “very much like a child,” thinking only of his own situation, after telling a grieving son he’s so lucky his father was dead.

    Charles has no empathy, no sense of how humans should act in these situations. It’s incredible, really, how off-putting he is. And William’s the same.

    • Debbie says:

      The Earl Spencer is lucky he only dealt with Prince Charles, because William would have said, “What are you sad about? You got his title, didn’t you?”

  14. bisynaptic says:

    I’m beginning to wonder whether Charles Windsor isn’t on the spectrum.

    • ArtHistorian says:

      It is more likely that he is a narcissicst.

    • Eowyn says:

      I’m tired of people equating narcissism with autism spectrum traits, that’s ableist.
      Clearly Prince Chuck’s behaviour has to do with being reared as the utmost entitled person, raised by servants, in a classist, racist, sexist, institution for starters.

    • The Marchioness of Blorf says:

      Fairly certain Her Maj was. The purse spoke volumes.

      • Lauren says:

        I started wondering that about QEII while watching that old documentary the Windsors produced, it’s on YouTube now. Her speech patterns in casual conversations and some mannerisms when interacting are very reminiscent of people on the spectrum that I’ve known

  15. bisynaptic says:

    Interesting that the snippets the Daily Mail has chosen to release are more about Prince Charles than Diana.

  16. Etha says:

    I must say that am quite ecstatic that this book has been written. That petulant man had gotten away with a lot 😄😄

  17. Amy Bee says:

    Charles Windsor is just weird and his mind is warped by the institution.

  18. KC2 says:

    I have a feeling these are the appetizers and a full course is coming!~

  19. Lauren says:

    The complete and utter lack of empathy displayed by Charles in so many anecdotes is truly shocking. I wonder if he’s the type of person who sees all relationships as transactional and basically views other people as objects rather then people

    • Blithe says:

      I think “transactional “ would mean that he himself would be required to also give something of value. I think he believes himself to be of value— such that his presence or maybe his momentary attention should be enough. I sort of remember him saying to Camilla something like: “Your greatest achievement is to love me”. He apparently really meant that. He centers himself and assumes that other people will naturally center him too.

      I’ve long felt sorry for Charles being sent to Gordonstoun school by Philip. Reading stuff like this now makes me wonder if Philip felt strongly that going to a place that emphasized things like teamwork and challenging outdoor activities might help shape Charles’s character in ways that could help him to develop more genuine empathy with other people.

      • BrackenSweetwater says:

        Or at least teach him how to PRETEND to be less of a self-obsessed arse, jesus. I could see Philip thinking that the ability to recognize when something you do or say would be insulting to other people would be a necessary life skill. “How to not get you and your entire family stood up against a wall and shot during a civil uprising or revolution” would certainly be a concern for him.

  20. GMHQ says:

    Charles Spencer has reported three quotes so far from King Chuck. They all ring true because they all have that clumsy, rude and self absorbed use of language that Charles is known to use. In fact all the royal family seem to talk that way. They insult you with their bluntless and quite often done with a smile and smirk. They don’t even understand they are being rude because they are used to the obligatory chortle made in response to their small talk. So King Chuck could easily have said Diana will be forgotten soon enough, as in meaning to point out in a thousand year dynasty almost all of those in the past have indeed been forgotten. I think the Fail is making a meal out of this to sell papers when Charles S is actually just rolling is eyes over King Chuck’s natural rudeness and lack of self awareness.

    • Blithe says:

      That’s an interesting point. Charles might have made the comment in a philosophical sort of way — with zero awareness that that was so not what the moment called for.

  21. Sean says:

    I’ll never forget the Accession Proclamation signing…
    The world’s cameras mere inches from his face, this guy thinks irate stage manager whispers along with slamming a huge rococo pen tray out of his way won’t be noticed.
    A life in front of cameras taught him nothing.

  22. Beverley says:

    Charles has no class. How do you say such a thing to the deceased’s son while at the funeral? Wow, the royals are trash!

  23. Magdalena says:

    As I said in another thread, Prince Charles, at the age of 43, was also Duke of Cornwall and had been getting hundreds of thousands, if not millions of pounds as soon as he came of age.

    He already had Highgrove and a host of other properties, so it was peevish and greedy in the extreme to be complaining. And at a funeral! If he could afford to employ so many people then he clearly was not wanting.

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