Today, the Prince and Princess of Wales will attend the installation of the new Archbishop of Canterbury. Ahead of that moment, the British media has been talking a lot about Prince William’s faith or lack thereof. One of William’s senior aides even tried to thread the needle by admitting that William basically has no use for religion of any kind but he’s committed to the position he will inherit, Supreme Governor of the Church of England. Sources also confirmed that William is still “embarrassed” by religious ceremonies because he’s such a modern man. Well, now the Telegraph has chimed in with their own piece about Bill of Little Faith: “Prince William’s Christian journey: Big on the Church, hesitant about God.” There are a few quotes in here I wanted to discuss.
[Prince William] is still sounding out his own faith and there is no confirmation that he necessarily believes in God, although those who know him err on the side of “yes” if pushed.
Yet those around him believe this poses no problem in relation to his future role as head of the Church. Rather, sources say, frankness about his Christian journey brings “authenticity” that will ultimately only enrich his bond with the Church.
“He takes his role very seriously and wants to build a deeper relationship with the Church,” a source tells The Telegraph. “But, as with everything he does, he will do it in an authentic way.”
Prince William does not, in other words, want to claim deeper faith or theological knowledge than he has, but plans to make his future as Supreme Governor count “in his own thoughtful way”. Those who have worked with him point to the overlaps between the Church of England’s values and the Prince’s royal work so far. “Community, talking to your neighbours, looking after the vulnerable … there’s a lot of crossover in values,” one concedes.
Lambeth Palace is reported to be “practical” about the future king’s lack of regular churchgoing. “The Prince and the Archbishop are both passionate about it not being a private members’ club and making it accessible and relevant,” a source said of the Church.
That is more charitable than the reaction of some to the briefing about the future king’s faith.
Gavin Ashenden, former chaplain to the late Queen, described William as “a really sweet man with sort of vacant ideas about God”.
Theo Hobson, a theologian, said the briefing “leaves the impression” that William “does not really consider himself a Christian, but knows that he must keep this semi-veiled”.
There are no known plans for the Prince of Wales to carry out official engagements with the Church of England, but this is a start. “He understands the importance of the role he will inherit,” the palace aide says of the Prince. “He is committed to carrying it forward with sincerity, authenticity and a clear sense of purpose.”
I agree with this assessment: William “does not really consider himself a Christian, but knows that he must keep this semi-veiled.” Everyone’s talking around how performative this has been from William and his team, because William believes (perhaps correctly) that his job IS about the performance of it, not the embodiment of it. It’s not simply about William’s lack of Christian faith, he also doesn’t care about looking like he’s religious in any way. He thinks people should only care about him showing up and going through the motions without any spiritual connection to any of it. Also: “a really sweet man with sort of vacant ideas about God…” Well, I agree that he’s vacant.
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When has pretend “lad about town” William ever been authentic? He and Kate are two of the less authentic people in the entire family.
The “sweet man” comment is so dead on.
William has brought this upon himself by refusing to attend church once in a blue moon. This should have been nipped in the bud years ago and as always, he allowed it to fester.
Incredibly vacant not sweet but evil!!
The sweet man part was funny. Sure. So sweet he’s wants to block his brother and his brother’s family from ever entering the country with security. Those are not the actions of a sweet man.
It made him sound like a child, lol. Sweet but vacant is not how you describe a grown man.
A serious global statesman, no less!
I do think it’s funny that a bunch of us here were talking just yesterday about how inauthentic everything William does comes across, and now today, we’re hearing how everything he does is meticulously authentic 🙄
It totally makes him sound like a child! LMAO!!!
Just call him a big boy global statesman and be done with it.
As a non-native speaker I’m at a complete loss! What for god’s sake are vacant ideas of God? Vacant as in free? Or completly open? Or…? What does that even mean???
I’d guess it means he’s so empty spiritually he doesn’t think about a Supreme Being other than himself.
Do these people actually believe that? As in this day and age they still belive that they are the Supreme being,anointed by God,the chosen one!!??? Ehhh I can’t believe with the evolution of everything they actually believe that nonsense.
Exactly!
As with everything Peg has zero ideas absolutely none so vacant.
Think vacant expression as often seen in Kate.
There is not much there
I suspect it means the same as for a lot of people, that they go through life without thinking about God or the nature of or the existence of, etc. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with William not being religious – he’s just stuck because it’s part of the job description.
It’s not a compliment. It means empty headed.
Vacant means empty.
It means William doesn’t have any ideas about God – he’s, at least functionally, an atheist.
Empty, meaningless ideas.
@SUOUTDOORS, it’s not you or your command of the English language, it’s the fact that most of what William drones on about makes no sense
Vacant ideas matches up with what we already know. He’s functionally illiterate and has no curiosity for anything outside himself. I’m an atheist with no belief system tied to any gods yet my ideas are far from vacant.
‘talking to your neighbours’
To tell that that:
1)they’ll be evicted from their homes because William does not want neighbours
2)they are banned from assessing the public park from their normal route
3)their children’s group is now cancelled
4)all of the above
@INGE
IT’S WORSE…!
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Is prohibitedn entry to the 150-acre public park, for which residents have PAIND and continue to pay.
The park’s closure also translates into the closure/bankruptcy of several institutions and businesses, including the inability to sell Christmas trees. A children’s center is also closed.
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The children’s center has been CLOSED!
Absolutely unreal. The champions of “normalcy” and the Aarly Years being the ones responsible for all of that ^^
Scooter is so not a sweet man. Sweet man doesn’t go on about taking titles away from his brother, sister in law and their children.
Billy the basher is not a sweet man. He’s a bully, a racist, loves joking about other people, is very rude, constantly incandescent with rage, throws things at his wife, assaults his brother etc
Yeah, “sweet” is probably the last word I’d associate with Scooter
The word ‘vacant’ is doing a lot of work here.
Have I got this right about William
1)is going to be head of church but complains about the ceremonies
2)is president of the BAFTAS but complains about having to watch the films(though he did award himself one
3)says homelessness is his lifes mision but evicts people from their homes if they live too close & his own tenants live in damp, mouldy houses
4)claims to want to protect the wildlife but loves to shoot said wildlife & thinks glory hunting is fine
5)has known he’s going to be prince of wales most of his life but thinks he’s earned a sticker for finally starting to learn welsh…… on duolingo
6)claims peace in the middle east is another lifes mission but has said f all about the war
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He’s also very authentic. Don’t forget that part!
lol
You are mostly right. Don’t forget he’s going to end racism in sports in between Aston Villa matches.
@Inge, you are correct on all counts. I’d just like to add that he also publicly admits he doesn’t bother reading his briefing papers before engagements and apparently sees no problem with everyone knowing it.
And when he lived in KP, he rarely if ever bothered to go to the reception the night before the BAFTAs even though it was also held *AT KP*.
Can you send this into the DM and all the other sycophantic publications?
The only things Willy does authentically are hate his brother and act unhinged at his beloved football games.
That is SUCH a British burn. Ouch.
As I am unfamiliar with British burns, I was going to say this has big “bless your heart” energy. Sweet on the surface, a shiv in the side for you to find later.
Ha okay looking at this in a bless your heart kind of way makes more sense.
This is exactly how I interpreted it. It’s not a compliment, at all, even with the sweet part.
That is EXACTLY how I read that. The “sweet” was also the price of admission for calling William “vacant.”
Gotta pay the tax before you drop the hammer.
Yeah, I’m reading “sweet” as “more stupid than a bag of rocks” or “childish”. When’s the last time you described another adult as “sweet” in a non-condescending way?
It didn’t occur to me at first, but yeah, it does seem like he used “sweet” in an diplomatic effort to not flat out call William an idiot, which we all know he is.
Must be nice for Bill to be able to do whateverTF he wants (which is usually nothing) with not only zero consequences, but the country’s entire establishment racing to defend and polish that turd.
How can anyone say William is a “sweet man” when he’s made hatred of his brother and sister-in-law his entire personality, and his own proxies constantly remind us of his perpetual state of incandescent anger, and how impatient he is for his father to just hurry up and die already, and how his only plans for his reign are to punish various family members?
”Sweet” like Jay said: he’s calling William simple. A dullard.
He can’t say their future king is as accomplished as a toddler sitting in a corner banging two blocks together, so “sweet” it is! This is hilarious.
One of the reasons a lot of people speculate about Shakespeare’s religion (being Catholic, or ambivalent about religion in general) is the famous line in Henry V, “Every man’s soul is his own.” But that’s true in all religions. Just, to believe in a religion, you have to believe that you have a soul. God is kind of the mirror to that idea. I wonder if William thinks the soul is kind of like a ghost in a cartoon about Halloween, like, what a jape, what a gas. People who are shallow imagine that everyone who is reaching higher or digging deeper is faking it on some level. It’s the mark of the truly second-rate: self-satisfaction.
This is obviously pure speculation, but I tend to doubt that William even spends any time pondering such matters
This piece and the Times briefing by his staff both say: “William doesn’t care as being seen as performative, because he doesn’t think the British public cares whether he’s performative, and he doesn’t even care that they don’t care that he doesn’t care.”
The Times piece was pretty explicit that Britain is increasingly multicultural and agnostic. William’s not wrong about that. He’s also not wrong about going through the religion motions, because more and more people aren’t buying the other monarchy justifications–the nepo baby and life-of-public service–at least with lazy and greedy WanK.
Where William’s dead wrong is making supposed public apathy his whole excuse to keep being a lazy, performative a$$ for something that IS meaningful for a (even if dwindling) part of Britain.
Apathy is coming from the top. William radiates it. He believes in the monarchy as a source of wealth, but not as a source of support of its subjects. The religion part is just nitpicking. I don’t think the people are clamoring for him to sit in the dark at Forest Lodge, contemplating the meaning of God. But they could use a cheerleader – someone who is proud of the UK, proud of the people and their accomplishments, who cares about their hurts and sorrows and difficulties, someone with heart. William doesn’t have that heart.
For me, the religion issue is that its just one more thing where William is going to do the bare minimum. You’re right, no one expects him to sit around all day in Forest Lodge pondering God and the meaning of the Bible and all of that. no one expected him to a be a theology major in college or to attend church at 6 am every morning. And like we’ve talked about this week, him being agnostic is probably more relatable to the younger population.
But this just feels like another part of his role where he’s like “I dont like that, not doing it” and it seems like it doesn’t matter – he’s king anyway no matter how times he goes to church – but that attitude is going to start to sour the public, if it hasn’t already.
@Becks1 – Yes, that’s the thing. He’s taking everything and he’s giving nothing. And he thinks he’s not being a hypocrite by actually saying the people shouldn’t expect more. The public is already soured, which is why nobody shows up to see him, we don’t get gushing quotes from the people about wonderful he is, and the only way anyone can sell a book or article about him is if it includes how much he hates H&M. The people can’t love William if he doesn’t love them.
100% to your last line – “The people can’t love William if he doesn’t love them.”
And @YankeeDoodles down below said something similar about how what people DO expect from William is for him to care about “his” people. And he doesn’t. He doesn’t really seem to care about anything besides himself, Aston Villa, and his children.
No one actually takes him seriously when he talks about homelessness, or racism, or the environment, because he doesn’t care about those things. It’s performative. Same with religion.
@Becks, I don’t doubt he loves his children, but you certainly wouldn’t know it by the way he treats their mother.
Becks, too the words right out of my mouth: ‘bare minimum’. This is just to keep his grandiose, unearned lifestyle. The monarchy is teetering on the edge these days. William doesn’t have the luxury of being openly defiant.
I wouldn’t describe W as agnostic as much as atheist.
I may have no faith of my own and issues with organised religion but I want the person leading something to believe and care about what they do.
To put it in a way William might understand, I’m not going to hire someone to coach my football team who isn’t sure if they feel strongly about football.
@Sarah, thank you for articulating this point so well, I completely agree
The difference is that W isn’t auditioning for the role. He’s got it, regardless of how uninterested he is in the threshold subject-matter.
Well said!
Well, I see we’re still complaining and explaining Wills so quiet its virtually non-existent “faith”…Sounds likes some people are in full blown panic mode.
Crazy question: can William step down:refuse this position as head of the church? Who even says he has to keep it? If King Henry can create a whole new religious sect and declare himself leader of that church, surely William can at least take himself out of the “leadership” position? I imagine church goers would appreciate an actual person of faith as their leader.
Also – what are the responsibilities for being the leader? Do clergy actually ask King Charles for advice? Suggestions on sermons? What music to play? (Kidding, but I’m seriously asking what the monarch actually “does” for their church?)
I don’t think it’s really an option for William to refuse his role – the whole Church of England is sort of organized with the monarch as the head ( from my understanding) even if they aren’t actually doing much so there would have to be some major reorganizing to fill that void at the top. More importantly from William’s perspective, I would be very surprised if he ever voluntarily gave up a title or position of power.
The time for disestablishment of church and state may arrive with King Willy. Problem is, much of his claim on the monarchy is based on that role and also on being annointed by God.
Willy would definitely have to rebrand to justify that £23m+/year duchy and other income. Right now all he has is primogeniture (aka he’s a nepo-baby, and the youths don’t love those) and Elizabeth’s lifetime of service (WanK? don’t make us laugh). Tried to think of other things but came up short.
Sunny Bullets is planning for the future, She read the room, and she saw that “he sorta kinda has vague faith” was the only realistic route.
Altering the monarchy now would IMO end it. There have already been rumblings about trying to remove Andrew from the line of succession. Despite the scandal, there is a reason it hasn’t happened. The monarchy is defined by stability and consistency. If that is so easily unseated, the whole house of cards falls down.
As I posted elsewhere, William doesn’t have the luxury of being rebellious. And that likely irritates him more than anything.
The bottom line is, you have to care about something more than yourself. William doesn’t do that. No one expects him to wrestle with theology. They just expect him to care about “his” people. And he doesn’t. It’s really glaring how little he cares for anyone, really. At least Charles cared for Camilla. It was a humanising dimension to his otherwise woolly and self-involved persona. But William really seems like a one-dimensional dude. Like, you had a laboratory, and you aimed to breed A Man With No Soul. Behold. QED.
Charles should not have brought Diana In. To have his heirs if he wanted Camilla. He was cruel to Diana. Also harry and Meghan are a love match but Charles called camilla non negotiable so why did he not extend the same to meghan being non negotiable . He should have welcomed meghan he comes across as a hypocrite
Hey, Yankee, don’t underestimate poor Normal Bill! He cares a whole lot about sporting events. And day drinking. And he’s shown us that he *certainly* cares about making his entire personality revolve around his hatred of his brother and vigilantly maintaining that hatred year after year.
We must give credit where credit is due! /s
And the school runs and what a “great parent” he is taking them to vacations on yachts during each school break.
I find it so weird. LOTS of people aren’t particularly religious. Not everyone is genuinely interested in these things like Charles, but in that class they just perform the rites, they go through the motions – why can’t he just do that? Why has this narrative even come about that he’s not a believer? It doesn’t seem like he’s fervently in favour of anything else like atheism, so why not just fake it better and avoid the issue? This statement raises more questions than it answers!
@Meme, I honestly think it’s because he’s simply a moron who cannot read a room to save his life (that, and he disdains and resents the public so much that he doesn’t even care if we can see how uncommitted he is to basically anything).
But sure, today he’s a *super authentic* global statesman — in his warped, sad little mind.
He’s a weird combination of narcissism and insecurity (do these two things sometimes go hand in hand?), and that leads him to feel ashamed of any of the rituals associated with his job. He doesn’t like wearing kilts, pink robes, feathered hats, or cutting ribbons, either. He’ll only be seen doing so-called manly things like drinking beer and watching footie.
Hey William, you’re paid £23m+/year to do your job.
I’m noticing that William’s team is using words and terms once associated more closely with Meghan, such as “he will do it in an authentic way” and “in his own thoughtful way”. As I recall she was soundly mocked for being too “woke” by using such words.
W&K have adopted— to great praise from the BM — tons of ideas that Meghan was trashed for. It’s infuriating and gross.
I believe he’s “vacant” and pleasure seeking in general. However, if his Moriarty (Harry), crosses that vacant mind, watch out for all the the fire and brimstone and dirty deeds afoot. I truly believe William would have no compunction in having his only brother killed by others (and getting plausible deniability) as when Charles had his first wife killed. You don’t have to be King Henry the VIII to get away with killing family members in England .
I’ve often thought that Bill must miss the old days, when he simply could have had Harry beheaded or thrown in the Tower or whatever. I don’t even think I’m kidding.
Richard II exiled his relatives, took their properties and it backfired. His cousin took over.
Except … the entire premise of British royalty is that the monarch is the designee of … God.
If there is no God, then there is no monarch.
Am I missing something?
@Kelly, you are not. It’s Bill who misses the point with most things.
Good point. That explains why I said it isn’t open to W to disavow his putative role as the head of the CoE. These freeloaders are there by the divine providence of God. Not just sheer luck and skullduggery of colonial and feudal times past.
“a really sweet man with sort of vacant ideas about God…” should be followed with ”bless his heart”
😂
That statement makes me want to be violently ill. It’s Prince William who is vacant … totally vacant.
There’s genuinely sweet, there’s saccharine sweet with a metallic aftertaste — and there’s heartburn-inducing, highly acidic sweet.
I guess vacuous Bulliam the Incandescent is firmly ensconced in the latter category, and there’s no hope for him to ever change.
If he at least admitted to being an atheist, or agnostic. But the continued fakery, and the Firm and the institution that is the Anglican church covering for him, is beyond the pale.
That’s the entire British monarchy – cover ups, fakery and self-interest.
The head of a church should at least care about its members. I can see why people are questioning him being a leader of the church. He’s the opposite of humble and magnanimous. Just look at the way he treats his own brother and SIL.
If William really wants to make a positive modernizing change as a monarch, he should refuse the position of head of the church. That would also be the principled thing to do. As an atheist myself, I would never have the audacity to assume that merely going through the ceremonial motions without having authentic faith was enough to qualify me as the head of a church. That position shouldn’t be hereditary anyway. Nor should the position of head of state, but that’s another story.
It’s interesting that we’ve seen a few stories about William’s lacklustre religious credentials lately.
First, at least from my memory, there was an event including the soon-to-be Archbishop of Canterbury, and it was all about how William is preparing to be king and how modern and innovative he will be once he gets to the throne. It almost implies that William was responsible for appointing the first female archbishop, even though I doubt he had any idea. But you know, very much “William just can’t wait to be king” stuff.
Then, a few weird articles followed all about how William didn’t used to go to church regularly because he suspected the previous archbishop was secretly rooting for or conspiring with Harry and Meghan (?). I think these were also from William “supporters” but they made him seem unhinged and obsessed.
Then all of these whispers today that seem to be coming more from, let’s say, traditional royalists describing William as kind of dumb and naive, not intellectually curious like Charles or devoted like QEII. In other words, slow your roll, Bill, you’re not king yet.
Did he cut off funds to the rota? Because none of these recent stories are flattering to him. He ought to know that you don’t just stop paying them and they’ll go away.